A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a Mother and Daughter questioning “Are we even related?”
A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow S:02 E:3
Ever notice the part line creeping wider or the dryer coughing up a tumbleweed of your own hair? Yep, we're talking about this ridiculous topic today! We’re pulling back the curtain on what’s actually happening on your scalp—we unpack the biology in plain English and share the small daily habits that protect the hair you have.
We talk through the biggest culprits behind hair thinning in women and men: age-related hormonal shifts like perimenopause and menopause, chronic stress that can tilt testosterone and trigger facial hair in women (yep, we got issues!), and the cumulative damage of bleach, dye, perms, and heat. Then we take our shots at Dr. Domain and his shiny beaner!
If you’re staring down the mirror wondering what to try next, this conversation gives you a roadmap: realistic expectations, evidence-informed options, and a gentler mindset. We laugh at the myths (spray-on hair, anyone?), share what’s worked and what hasn’t, and make room for acceptance as a valid, stylish path. Subscribe, share with a friend who’s shedding, and tell us: what’s your real-world hair win—or the fix you’d never do again?
email: boomerandgenxer@gmail.com
Welcome everybody to today's show. A boomer in a Gen X are walking to a bar, coming to you from the rabbit hole studio, where you, as our listeners, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a mother and daughter questioning, are we even related? My name's Bobby Joy, and my co-host is my mom Jane. And uh, we're here to entertain you today with uh, I think something that my co-host knows a lot about.
SPEAKER_40:Thanks. Thanks for that kind of introduction.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_24:Well, like well, we were talking about our topic. I was like, well, I have no experience in this, so I'm just gonna wing it.
SPEAKER_41:I definitely do, but before we get started, um, as our listeners know, we hit our one-year mark and we already celebrated that anniversary. And it was interesting some of the questions that we got regarding the anniversary show. And I did have someone ask me, Hey, do you guys really not know what your topic's gonna be when you start the show? Because I always say, Hey Bobby, what's our topic today? And we definitely do know what our topics will be. We have to research our topics. Yeah, there's been a couple that have been off the cuff. Yeah, but for the most part, I like to research, you like to research. And so if it's something that's really deep, we uh we have to go find some facts and find some studies and things like that.
SPEAKER_24:Because I don't want to sound like an idiot talking out of my ass. Well, I mean, I want to have, you know, incredible sources. Look, there is there, and we're not gonna tell the listeners on which episodes it was, but there have been times either I have not said the topic or mom has not said the topic, or we just really don't know what we're gonna talk about until we actually sit down behind the mics and go, Hey, what are we talking about? What are we talking about today?
SPEAKER_41:Yeah, and so sometimes if it's uh you know just a pretty face value type of uh topic or surface topic, we we don't really have to research anything, we just pull it out of our butts, like you said.
SPEAKER_24:Well, right, because I mean this show is our opinions, that's right.
SPEAKER_41:So because we're not professionals or we're not experts on anything, right? I mean, we're a professional asshole, but I'm a doctor of nothing, so there's that. And you also uh had some questions, Bobby, related to our anniversary show and about if we've learned anything about each other, didn't you?
SPEAKER_24:Yeah, yeah. And I was kind of like, Did you listen to all the episodes?
SPEAKER_41:Because yeah, it was so what was the question? They said what'd they say to you?
SPEAKER_24:They asked me, did you learn, did both of you learn something new about each other?
SPEAKER_41:So yeah, well, I definitely did for a moment of silence for you know 20 minutes on air. Wow, yeah. What and did you, Bobby, learn actually about good, yeah, good, and I think we learned something new about Dr. Domain and his boat.
SPEAKER_16:Sorry, Dr. Domain. Ouch. Ouch, scratch, better call the whampulence. Yeah, but no, we did.
SPEAKER_24:We got we got some really good questions, and I think that, you know, if we do compile enough questions, if listeners want to send them in, um, we could actually just do a show of questions.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah, and people ask, you know, sometimes we just do not agree, that's for sure. Yeah, and they've asked, you know, do you walk away from from the studio mad at each other? The answer is no, we're adults for crying out loud. No, and you know, we have a right to our own opinions, and you know, as long as I don't try to shove mine in her face and she doesn't shove hers in my face, um, we're all you can't anymore because I'm an adult. Well, I do chase you down sometimes. I have run down the driveway to the city. It's like that TikTok of that guy chasing the other guy with the core form.
SPEAKER_24:Yeah, yeah. So I mean, let's not get it wrong. Yeah, I am almost 45 years old, but she will still whoop my ass.
SPEAKER_41:Well, it isn't that, it's that, you know, again, we do not see eye to eye on a lot of things. And there have been times when both of us have bit our tongues during these episodes when we're recording. It's like, oh, do I want to take her down? No, not today. I won't do it. But but what the hell is wrong with you? Like it's just after the show and we get out of the studio, it's kind of like, what were you thinking, you bonehead?
SPEAKER_24:And uh, that's kind of the premise of the show, is the fact that we don't agree. Now, there are some topics that we don't touch on um because we did make a uh what I guess it'd be a gentleman's agreement beforehand that these you know three topics were not.
SPEAKER_41:Okay, did something transpire between the last show and now that you're a gentleman? Because well, I'm saying, like, you know, that's what it would be called historically is a gentleman's agreement. We got a handshake agreement, yeah, yeah. That we we aren't gonna talk about certain things, and we're not, you know, and and again, it isn't that we're mother-daughter or that we're related. The fact of the matter is, is we're two intelligent adults, and you know what, we know how to treat other intelligent adults. Um, and you know, uh you just don't treat people badly because they've got a different opinion of you, no, absolutely not uh than you. So today, when Bobby was saying that I have a little bit of experience in this, it is true because several of my friends and I have been talking about this, and it is why are we losing our hair? Me, yeah, you're end of story. It's yeah, you're not losing your hair because your hair's nice and thick like a bitch.
SPEAKER_24:I caused your your hair loss, yeah.
SPEAKER_41:Probably it caused it to go white, that's for sure. But you know, men uh have a genetic um what do I want to predisposition? No, well, maybe uh I was gonna say retardation of a of uh genetics. Now, that's not a bad word. It's a scientific term. It is a scientific term. Men are kind of retarded where they okay. You might want to watch your P's and Q's down there, uh, where they do bald, you know, they do have that issue. Uh women typically don't have the issue of balding, although there is um what is it, alopecia?
SPEAKER_15:I was gonna say I've seen a lot of balding women though that have that.
SPEAKER_41:Um, but uh we started looking this up because I do have the issue. I've always had very thin and fine hair, and and my my beautician has always said, Oh, your hair's not thin, you've got plenty of it. It's just very, very fine.
SPEAKER_24:Yeah, and I think that's what my sister has too is she has more of your hair than yeah, you can see through our hair.
SPEAKER_41:I mean, it's like my hair can be down.
SPEAKER_24:And mine you can barely get a comb through because it's so thick.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah, so yours look like dreadlocks. That's that's not the hair that's not showering.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_41:So anyway, started looking some of this up, and you know, we all know that there are genetics and hormones that cause some of the, you know, are common causes, uh, leading to the gradual shrinking of our hair follicles, right?
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_41:In men, it causes receding hair lines and bald spots. While in women, it it typically results in thinning hair along the top of the scalp. What? What?
SPEAKER_24:Nothing. In men I call it forward-thinking foreheads.
SPEAKER_41:Dr. Tomate isn't even cracking a smile on that one. Okay, well, we're gonna move right along. But you know, when I was younger, um, I remember my mom saying this, and so did a lot of the women that were her age. They used to say, if you kids keep perming your hair, you girls keep perming your hair, or you keep dyeing your hair, you're gonna lose your hair.
SPEAKER_24:You used to tell us that. If you keep dyeing your hair, you're gonna your hair's gonna fall out.
SPEAKER_41:Ta-da! And the US judges give us a 9.5 for that information.
SPEAKER_24:I was gonna say I I don't see it.
SPEAKER_41:I'm you don't see it, but uh, I it does it does contribute because of the harsh chemicals. And what happens is uh, you know, the scalp, the skin um atrophies, just like other parts of our body. You know, our skin gets real, real thin. And so it does make a difference. So if you are not dying your hair, you're probably in better shape than some of the rest of us when you get older, unless you have really shitty genetics and then you just I mean you're screwed from the beginning, right?
SPEAKER_38:Right. That's absolutely true.
SPEAKER_24:And it's not just genetics. I mean, you're looking at poor nutrition, you're looking at stress, underlying medical conditions, not just alopecia, you know, other things cause it. Even medications can cause it.
SPEAKER_41:Oh, absolutely. And so when we were looking this up, those are all really great examples of what has an impact on our losing our hair.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_41:And some of it can have to do, this is kind of funny that I found out. If you're in a high stress job and you're a woman and you're in a high stress job, it is not uncommon for us to grow facial hair more so than what a regular woman in a lower stress job would be.
SPEAKER_24:Are you just you're just making excuses for the for my beard?
SPEAKER_18:For the black hairs that I can see from here.
SPEAKER_24:No, it's true. You know, I got asked by somebody at work why do you keep tweezers in your truck? Because that's the best time. That's light. Yeah, it's the best line of like, oh, I can see it now, and I'm sitting in the parking lot at work just trying to pluck the one hair.
SPEAKER_41:Because I could have one that's four inches out of my chin, and Dr. Domain will say nothing other than, you know, why didn't you tell me? And they'll say, Well, I thought you were trying to grow a beard. I don't know.
SPEAKER_24:You know, well, I mean, and in high stress jobs and things like that, you know, just like, and I don't, I know you know this, but like when a woman has her time of the month, the chemical that's released is testosterone. Right. So we're releasing more of that testosterone. I always think it's funny because I'm like, you know, the whole reason that women act like bitches on their period is because of the high testosterone. I said, so we must be acting like men for that week.
SPEAKER_41:Well, I'm I'm not gonna broach that one right there.
SPEAKER_24:But it is, it's it is a surge of testosterone, especially in you know, very high stress, high, you know, anxiety environments where you're there for eight, nine, ten, twelve hours a day. Yeah, and you're you're really working to keep up with everybody. So yeah, I I totally believe that facial hair is more pr you know pronounced with women like that.
SPEAKER_41:And it's funny that you mentioned, you know, when somebody's on their menstrual style uh cycle that um I remember when someone, a previous husband, uh would say, You're such a mmm when you're on your period. And it was like, well, maybe you're more of an asshole. I don't, you know, I mean, as it turns out, I was, but but that's not the point. But that's not the point. That's not the point.
SPEAKER_24:Wrong time to bring it up, is what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_41:So normal aging involves, you know, hormonal changes, obviously. Of course, like menopause in women, right?
SPEAKER_24:And pre-menopause and perimenopause. Post-menopause, yeah. Pre-pre-menopause, yeah.
SPEAKER_41:I don't know. And once you've gone way over the hill and you can hardly move, pause. Um, but uh a slower hair growth cycle does occur. And again, you know, stress, environmental exposures, you know, people who are out in the sun a lot can their skin can thin a lot quicker than someone who's not. And as you mentioned, certain health conditions can definitely accelerate hair loss, but there are some things that you, you know, can do about it uh or try to, but if it's genetics, you're pretty well screwed.
SPEAKER_24:Yeah, you you don't have a prayer.
SPEAKER_41:But what happens in normal in the normal aging process, as most of us know, is we go into that slower growth cycle and our hair follicles shrink. And shrinking follicles and fine hair, what happens is it produces shorter and finer hair strands, and then what happens? It starts breaking off. And I find balls of hair around the house all the time.
SPEAKER_24:I mean, I shed like a rottweiler, so I mean I got hair everywhere. Do you ever know how I've done so?
SPEAKER_41:I have to ask you this because your hair's not long, but not now. Not now, but you had some longer hair. Yeah. And your your daughter's hair was a little longer, uh, and so was both of them.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_41:And have you ever taken uh the laundry out of the dryer and had a big old wad of hair on it? Yes. Is that the grossest thing?
SPEAKER_24:It is, and what pisses me off is I cut my hair a little while ago. It's been a couple weeks now, and I'm still finding my balls of long blonde hair on my laundry when I take them out of the dryer, and I'm like, this is unnecessary.
SPEAKER_41:Completely unnecessary. We probably shouldn't be telling men this stuff, should we? I mean, you know, we recognize that our hair is thinning, but we don't want you to recognize that our hair is thinning.
SPEAKER_24:Well, maybe if they get the you know, information they can they can give us less stress, exactly.
SPEAKER_41:They can like not bring it up.
SPEAKER_24:Like you have the information, okay, shit's happening, don't bring it up.
SPEAKER_41:So they say that there's some topical drugs out there that help.
SPEAKER_20:And are we talking about the hairspray in a can?
SPEAKER_41:Is that what's uh what was that called?
SPEAKER_24:Um, but it was a hairspray, but it was colored.
SPEAKER_46:Why would I know?
SPEAKER_24:Because you're the one with the shining head. We're not sure if you tried it. No brogaine. Oh, no, I was talking about the actual like you shake the can up. It's like literal spray paint, and then they would spray their hair.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah.
SPEAKER_24:And so that the the part in their hair would it's not even the same person in the before and after photos.
SPEAKER_41:It's like really funny.
SPEAKER_24:Yeah.
SPEAKER_41:So, but the FDA has approved like Minoxid Minoxidil, which is rogain, that's all it is. Yeah, and that's available.
SPEAKER_24:And that's been around a long time.
SPEAKER_41:I mean, rogueine came out what in late 90s, we want to say it came out for men, it never came out for women until like the 70s, late 70s. Yeah, and so yeah, now it's available for women.
SPEAKER_24:That's crazy, it's been around for that long.
SPEAKER_41:There, there's also some oral medications, and let's face it, there is no proof of any of this stuff. So let's all calm down about it.
SPEAKER_24:Um, you can buy just because the FDA approves it doesn't mean that it works, right? And that's one thing we will be getting into on another show.
SPEAKER_41:It means that it's not gonna work like acid on your head, right? But it does might not kill you. It might not kill you, it might not cause you to grow a third or fourth arm, might not cause crickets to fall out of your head.
SPEAKER_24:I mean, we that's that's the only thing that we can cross our fingers and hope at this point because yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_41:So there's some um lasered light treatments. So have you heard of those?
SPEAKER_24:So I've heard of them for like other areas of the body for your face.
SPEAKER_17:For facial, usually a red like facial or like um hair removal, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_41:Uh-oh. That was Bobby stifling a sneeze. Um, but yeah, they have laser light treatment.
SPEAKER_24:And um but like really, I mean, really, is it is that all it takes to actually fix something? It's not, no, it's not that's like going in and saying you don't need liposuction, you just need to immerse your body in this freezing temperature for 20 minutes every three days, and it'll well, okay. There might be a little bit of truth to that, but come on now. Laser lights, really.
SPEAKER_41:Also, uh microneedling. And I've done microneedling on my face. I thought that was where they isn't that where they tattoo. No, micro needle. Oh, no, no, no. That's um, I'll come to that in a minute when I think of what it is. Uh blade uh microblading microblading. But micro needling is where you and I have the machine upstairs and you buy these little attachments, and they can have anywhere from 12 to 36 little needles in one little attachment. And what it does is it goes in and it pulses on your skin and goes in and out of your skin, and you set the depth based on how much you want to see a change in your face.
SPEAKER_24:Okay, so what what I'm hearing so far is tattoo machine. Okay, keep going. Kinda, yeah, kinda literally like a tattoo machine with a larger needle count on it.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah, but it doesn't it, you know, they're not putting dye in your skin or anything.
SPEAKER_24:Well, no, but I'm saying just like the machine, yeah.
SPEAKER_41:But what it does is it forces the collagen to come to the surface of your skin. Now, when you turn 50, 60 years old, forget it, folks, because you don't have that collagen any longer. You're not producing it like these young girls are and these young guys are. Yeah, I think I'm not anymore. But um are you producing anything, Bobby?
SPEAKER_24:I'm not I'm not sure I'm producing anything at this point.
SPEAKER_41:But that also has been a you know a new development that people are trying for their hair. That's crazy. Well, I mean, like I said, I've done the microneedling on my face and I've done the laser, the red laser on my face. But again, I don't have any collagen left, so I'm kind of just doing it for recreation. It's recreational use, officer, I swear. Because I got nothing else going on, so you know, I do that. But um, do you know anybody that uh like a woman? We won't say men because men we're pretty used to men balding, and that's no big deal to us. But do you know any women that you know have really severe?
SPEAKER_24:I mean, I know it runs in our family on your side really bad.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah, my mom's hair was really, really thick, and then of course when she got older, it fell off.
SPEAKER_24:And your sisters and stuff was always straight out once they got older, it was yeah, yeah, kind of thin. Yeah, but otherwise, I mean, like I know of a couple of men that have done like the hair transplants.
SPEAKER_43:Yeah, did that work?
SPEAKER_24:So I'm gonna tell I'm gonna say no, but I'm not a doctor. Okay, maybe it did work, and I'm just looking at it, you know, wrong. Um, but it's weird because you know, they take the hair follicles from other parts of the body. Oh, gross, like off their legs or something, like um, yeah. And I'm just like, is that you know, of course I gotta crack jokes because that's what I do. And I'm like, is it so is that like back hair or butt hair? I just want to know what I'm looking at at this point because it yeah.
SPEAKER_37:Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_24:I guess I just I don't see that I grew up with the whole it's just hair, yeah, mentality, you know, I dye it, cut it, bleach it, lose it, whatever. It's just hair, yeah, you know, and I guess that's me, so I guess I don't know.
SPEAKER_41:Remember when uh there were a lot of people, a lot of guys out there who wore toupees. Did you ever wear a toupee, Dr. Domain? Just out of curiosity, did you ever wear one?
SPEAKER_44:No.
SPEAKER_41:Why would he need one?
SPEAKER_24:Yeah, his luscious head of hair over here shining in the light of the studio.
SPEAKER_31:I'm gonna go.
SPEAKER_46:I lost mine in school.
SPEAKER_31:Oh, you did?
SPEAKER_46:Yeah, I I noticed I noticed it after I went on a field trip at school.
SPEAKER_41:That you lost like that one trip, and all your hair fell out.
SPEAKER_46:It was we went to this um trying to think of the name of the place, Chernobyl, and went back. I can notice it was thinning.
SPEAKER_24:So that was an immediate response. I grew up with a friend who actually was balding at 16. Yeah, he was almost completely bald by the time he was 18.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah, I remember kids in high school that they were balding, and it's that's crazy.
SPEAKER_24:But like I said, I always grew up with that mentality of it's just hair. Yeah, and I'm not gonna stress about it because it's just hair. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_41:There's another, you know, there's other vitamins and you know, tinctures, vitamins, oils, and things like that. Castor oil is supposed to be one that is has a little bit of evidence behind it.
SPEAKER_24:Castor oil has been used for everything. Laxidin.
SPEAKER_41:Everything make you poop, make your hair grow. It's like morphine, but put it in your belly button to make your digestive system work better. It is kind of crazy, and then biotin, of course, is the vitamin that kind of helps your nails and your hair grow. But um, so I haven't, you know, I mean, I haven't really I remember seeing a guy who had the hair transplant, and it was like he had little X's on his head, yeah, where where they put the new pairs on stuff. Yeah, and does that like stay forever or noes?
SPEAKER_24:Allegedly, no. Allegedly no.
SPEAKER_41:I mean, he had had these things put in a long while back, and I thought, does that ever seal up? I mean, what's it going on?
SPEAKER_24:I think the hair is supposed to grow over it so that it you can't see it, but I'm not 100%.
SPEAKER_41:Would you rather be bald or have those little little pockets on your head? I don't know. I'd rather see him bald. I mean, Dr. Domain shaves his head, which I think is very attractive.
SPEAKER_24:Yeah, it's kind of a fryer tuck thing going on, though. If he doesn't shave it, it's a whole fryer tuck thing.
SPEAKER_35:I said Bozo the clown.
SPEAKER_24:At least he didn't get one of those toupees with the magnets that were installed under the guy's skin.
SPEAKER_41:Oh, he shut you off. He shut you off. Oh my goodness, he shut your mic off. That's so funny. Um, no, I like I do like uh a bald head. I think it's uh attractive. So look at him, he's just gloating now. But um perms also, you know, we talked about the chemical damage um of dyes and stuff because they have ammonias and peroxides and perm solutions, especially bleaching, yeah. And perm solutions are so alkaline, uh, they can weaken the hair on the outer layer and the cuticles, and uh it just really makes it dry, brittle, and prone to breakage. And really, breakage is the main problem, and we think that it's really just our hair thinning, but um scalp irritation. I think I told everybody this, but when oh Lord. When we were when we were in Georgia, we stayed in our motorhome for like three months waiting for our house to get done. And uh we have slide outs on it, and every freaking time I was underneath one of the sides, I'd come up and just smack my head so hard, and it was just terrible. And you know, Dr. Domain was like, Should I get you a helmet? That's my first thought. You need a helmet to just play. What happened was I hit it so hard I almost passed out, and it caused me. You have no, you have no self-preservation. I have nothing, I got nothing, there's nothing up there, and also it gave me vertigo. And if you've ever had a bad case of vertigo, it's it's horrible. It's horrible. Well, anyway, since that time period, the where I got my and I kept hitting the same spot, yeah, it's not even different spots. It wasn't. It was like, why can't I just hit a different spot?
SPEAKER_24:You know, you're just you're just the epitome of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
SPEAKER_41:I'm like the poster child for unsafe acts, aren't I? And to think that I was a safety director. But um, yeah, so anyway, so my scalp now is just it's a mess. And my dermatologist is like, oh, you must got hit in the head. Yeah, like 43 times. Or dropped as a message.
SPEAKER_30:Yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_21:Probably both, but yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_41:Um, other things, obviously, that can cause hair loss are improper applications or chemical burns that can occur from, like I said before, perms uh that can damage your hair and potentially lead to scarring on the scalp. And you know, the reason I mean, you see a lot of guys shaving their heads, most of them don't get a lot of perms. And most of them don't do a lot of hair coloring if you don't have any of it. But um, anyway, the frequency of dyeing or perming your hair uh can cause cumulative damage to the scalp. Well, that's just common sense though. Ultimately, you know, I'm just telling you, as an old woman here, if you want to save your hair, girls, you might want to uh consider, I don't know, maybe not putting so much chemical on it at this point.
SPEAKER_24:Maybe not using four cans of AquaNet back in the 80s to get your hair for glamour shots ready.
SPEAKER_32:Why are you calling me out? Listen, I'll just call me out like that.
SPEAKER_24:You don't have a single glamour shot of me. That's all my scam.
SPEAKER_14:Okay. You and my sister, it was like every other weekend, let's go to glamour shots.
SPEAKER_09:And then like uh you know, you choke on the hair. I remember those. My hair was so big. Oh my god, it was crazy. It was crazy.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah. So you look back on some of those 70s pictures and you go, oh, what happened? But anyway, I think that's probably all I've got for uh the losing your hair today.
SPEAKER_24:Like uh, we'll probably be looking for a new IT person since Dr. Domain.
SPEAKER_19:Since we've insulting him as much as we can. This is we shit. This was all you. You did this.
SPEAKER_41:You're seeing you're bailing on me now. Well, that's all the insanity we have for today. And we really do appreciate you joining us here, and we appreciate you going into year two with us at the rabbit hole studio. Be sure to follow us. Uh, we look forward to spending time with you each week. Please like us and share us. And if you have positive feedback or you have a topic, please send it off to us at boomerandgenxer at gmail.com. Hate mail, we're still not accepting that. Uh, as a matter of fact, it's probably laying out there somewhere with my hair swallowing out of my window.
SPEAKER_11:53 cans of aquamet.
SPEAKER_41:Oh my gosh. So anyway, until next week, I'm Jane Bird. I'm Bobby Joy, and you're stuck with the peace out later.
SPEAKER_24:Welcome everybody to today's show, a boomerangster. Welcome to a bummer, coming to you from the rabbit hole studio, where you, as our listeners, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a mother and daughter questioning, are we even related? My name's Bobby Joy, and my co-host is my mom Jane. And uh, we're here to entertain you today with uh, I think something that my co-host knows a lot about.
SPEAKER_40:Thanks, thanks for that kind of introduction.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_24:Well, like when we were talking about our topic, I was like, Well, I have no experience in this, so I'm just gonna wing it.
SPEAKER_41:I definitely do, but before we get started, um, as our listeners know, we hit our one-year mark and we already celebrated that anniversary. And it was interesting some of the questions that we got regarding the anniversary show. And I did have someone ask me, Hey, do you guys really not know what your topic's gonna be when you start the show? Because I always say, Hey, Bobby, what's our topic today? And we definitely do know what our topics will be. We have to research our topics. Yeah, there's been a couple that have been off the cuff. Yeah, but for the most part, I like to research, you like to research, and so if it's something that's really deep, we uh we have to go find some facts and find some studies and things like that.
SPEAKER_24:Because I don't want to sound like an idiot talking out of my ass.
SPEAKER_01:Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER_24:I mean, I want to have, you know, incredible sources. Look, there is there, and we're not gonna tell the listeners on which episodes it was, but there have been times either I have not said the topic or mom has not said the topic, or we just really don't know what we're gonna talk about until we actually sit down behind the mics and go, Hey, what are we talking about? What are we talking about today? Yeah.
SPEAKER_41:And so sometimes if it's uh, you know, just a pretty face value type of uh topic or surface topic, we we don't really have to research anything, we just pull it out of our butts, like you said.
SPEAKER_24:Well, right, because I mean this show is our opinions, that's right.
SPEAKER_41:So because we're not professionals or we're not experts on anything, right? I mean, we're a professional asshole, but I'm a doctor of nothing, so there's that. And you also uh had some questions, Bobby, related to our. anniversary show and about if we've learned anything about each other, didn't you?
SPEAKER_24:Yeah, yeah. And I was kind of like, did you listen to all the episodes?
SPEAKER_41:Because yeah, it was so what was the question? They said what'd they say to you?
SPEAKER_24:They they asked me, did you learn, did both of you learn something new about each other?
SPEAKER_41:So yeah, well I definitely did for a moment of silence for you know 20 minutes on air. Wow. Yeah. What and did you Bobby learn actually about it? I did. Good. Yeah. Good. And I think we learned something new about Dr. Domain and his boat.
SPEAKER_16:Sorry Dr. Domain. Ouch. Ouch. Scratch. Better call the whambulance. Yeah.
SPEAKER_24:But no, we did. We got we got some really good questions. And I think that, you know, if we do compile enough questions if listeners want to send them in, um, we could actually just do a show of questions.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah. And people ask, you know, sometimes we just do not agree, that's for sure. Yeah. And they've asked, you know, do you walk away from from the studio mad at each other? The answer is no, we're adults for crying out loud.
SPEAKER_50:No.
SPEAKER_41:And, you know, we have a right to our own opinions. And you know, as long as I don't try to shove mine in her face and she doesn't shove hers in my face, um, we're all well you can't anymore because I'm an adult. Well I do chase you down sometimes. I have run down the driveway. It's like that TikTok of that guy chasing the other guy. You better work through that again.
SPEAKER_24:Yeah.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah.
SPEAKER_24:So I mean let's not get it wrong. Yeah, I am almost 45 years old, but she will still whoop my ass.
SPEAKER_41:Well it isn't that it's that you know again we do not see eye to eye on a lot of things. And there have been times when both of us have bit our tongues during these episodes when we're recording it's like oh do I want to take her down no not today. I won't do it. But but what the hell is wrong with you?
SPEAKER_24:Like it's just after the show and we get out of the studio it's kind of like what were you thinking you bonehead and that's kind of the premise of the show is the fact that we don't agree. Now there are some topics that we don't touch on um because we did make a uh what I guess it'd be a gentleman's agreement beforehand that these you know three topics were not okay did something transpire between the last show and now that you're a gentleman because well I'm saying like you know that's what it would be called historically is a gentleman's agreement.
SPEAKER_41:We got a handshake agreement. Yeah yeah that we we aren't going to talk about certain things and we're not you know and and again it isn't that we're mother daughter or that we're related the fact of the matter is is we're two intelligent adults and you know what we know how to treat other intelligent adults um and you know uh you just don't treat people badly because they've got a different opinion of you no absolutely not uh than you so today when Bobby was saying that I have a little bit of experience in this it is true because several of my friends and I have been talking about this and it is why are we losing our hair?
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SPEAKER_41:Yeah end of story it's yeah you're not losing your hair because your hair's nice and thick like I caused your your hair loss yeah probably it caused it to go white that's for sure but you know men uh have a genetic um what do I want to predisposition? No well maybe uh I was gonna say retardation of a of uh genetics now that's not a bad it's a scientific term it is a scientific term kind of retarded where they okay you might want to watch your P's and Q's down there uh where they do bald you know they do have that issue uh women typically don't have the issue of balding although there is um I don't know what is it alopecia I've seen a lot of balding women though that have that um but uh we started looking this up because I do have the issue I've always had very thin and fine hair and and my my beautician has always said oh your hair's not thin you've got plenty of it it's just very very fine yeah and I think that's what my sister has too is she has more of your hair than yeah you can see through our hair I mean it's like my hair can be down and mine you can barely get a comb through because it's so thick. Yeah so yours look like dreadlocks that's that's not the hair that's the not showering but yeah so anyway started looking some of this up and you know we all know that there are genetics and hormones that cause some of the you know our common causes uh leading to the gradual shrinking of our hair follicles right right in men it causes receding hairlines and bald spots while in women it it typically results in thinning hair along the top of the scalp what what nothing in men I call it forward thinking foreheads Dr. Toldmate isn't even cracking a smile on that one. Okay well we're gonna move right along but you know when I was younger I remember my mom saying this and so did a lot of the women that were her age they used to say if you kids keep perming your hair you girls keep perming your hair or you keep dyeing your hair you're gonna lose your hair you used to tell us that if you keep dyeing your hair you're gonna your hair's gonna fall out. Ta-da! And the US judges give us a 9.5 for that information I was gonna say I I I don't see it. You don't see it but uh I it does it does contribute because of the harsh chemicals and what happens is uh you know the scalp the skin atrophies just like other parts of our body you know our skin gets real real thin and so it does make a difference so if you are not dying your hair you're probably in better shape than some of the rest of us when you get older unless you have really shitty genetics and then you just I mean you're screwed from the beginning.
SPEAKER_38:Right, right. That's absolutely true.
SPEAKER_24:And it's not just genetics I mean you're looking at poor nutrition you're looking at stress underlying medical conditions not just alopecia you know other things cause it even medications can cause it.
SPEAKER_41:Oh absolutely and so when we were looking this up those are all really great examples of what has an impact on our losing our hair right and some of it can have to do this is kind of funny that I found out if you're in a high stress job and you're a woman and you're in a high stress job it is not uncommon for us to grow facial hair more so than what a regular woman in a lower stress job would be.
SPEAKER_24:Are you just you're just making excuses for the for my beard for the black hairs that I can see from here. No it's true. You know I got asked by somebody at work why do you keep tweezers in your truck? Because that's the best time. Yeah it's the best light of like oh I can see it now and I'm sitting in the parking lot at work just trying to pluck the one hair.
SPEAKER_41:Because I could have one that's four inches out of my chin and Dr.
SPEAKER_24:Domain will say nothing other than you know why didn't you tell me and they'll say well I thought you were trying to grow a beard I don't know you know well I mean and in high stress jobs and things like that you know just like and I don't I know you know this but like when a woman has her time of the month the chemical that's released is testosterone. Right. So we're releasing more of that testosterone. I always think it's funny because I'm like you know the whole reason that women act like bitches on their period is because of the high testosterone I said so we must be acting like men for that week.
SPEAKER_41:Well I'm I'm not gonna broach that one right there.
SPEAKER_24:But it is it's it it is a a surge of testosterone especially in you know very high stress high you know anxiety environments where you're there for eight nine 10 12 hours a day yeah and you're you're really working to keep up with everybody. So yeah I I totally believe that facial hair is more pr you know pronounced with women like that.
SPEAKER_41:And it's funny that you mentioned you know when somebody's on their menstrual style cycle that um I remember when someone a previous husband uh would say you're such a mmm when you're on your period and it was like well maybe you're more of an asshole on it. I don't you know I mean as it turns out I was but but that's not the point. But that's not the point. That's not the point. Wrong time to bring it up is that I'm saying so normal aging involves you know hormonal changes obviously of course like menopause in women right and pre-menopause and perimenopause postmenopause yeah pre-pre-menopause I don't know and once you've gone way over the hill and you can hardly move pause um but uh a slower hair growth cycle does occur and again you know stress environmental exposures you know people who are out in the sun a lot can their skin can thin a lot quicker than someone who's not and as you mentioned certain health conditions can definitely accelerate hair loss but there are some things that you you know can do about it uh or try to but if it's genetics you're pretty well screwed yeah you you don't have a prayer but what happens in normal in the normal aging process as most of us know is we go into that slower growth cycle and our hair follicles shrink and shrinking follicles and fine hair what happens is it produces shorter and finer hair strands and then what happens it starts breaking off and I find balls of hair around the house all the time.
SPEAKER_24:I mean I shed like a Rottweiler so I mean I got hair everywhere.
SPEAKER_41:Do you ever know how I so I have to ask you this because your hair's not long but you not now but you had some longer hair yeah and your your daughter's hair was a little longer uh and so was which one both of them.
SPEAKER_24:Oh okay and have you ever taken the the laundry out of the dryer and had a big old wad of hair on it yes is that the grossest thing it is and what pisses me off is I cut my hair a little while ago it's been a couple weeks now and I'm still finding my balls of long blonde hair on my laundry when I take them out of the dryer and I'm like this is unnecessary.
SPEAKER_41:It's completely unnecessary. I suppose we we probably shouldn't be telling men this stuff should we I mean you know we recognize that our hair is thinning but we don't want you to recognize that our hair is thinning well maybe if they get the you know information they can they can give us less stress exactly they can like not bring it up like you have the information okay shit's happening don't bring it up so they say that there's some topical drugs out there that help and are we talking about the hairspray in a can is that what's what was that called I don't remember but it was you remember Dr.
SPEAKER_24:Domspray but it was colored why would I know? Because you're the one with the shining head we're not sure if you tried it. No brogaine about the actual like you shake the can up it's like literal spray paint and then they would spray their hair and so that the the part in their hair would oh it's and it's not even the same person in the before and after photos.
SPEAKER_41:It's like really that's really funny. Yeah so but the FDA has approved like monoxidil which is rogueine that's all it is and that's available and that's been around a long time. I mean rogue came out what in late 90s we want to say it came out for men it never came out for women until like the 70s late 70s. Yeah and so yeah now it's available for women that's crazy it's been around for that long there there's also some oral medications and let's face it there is no proof of any of this stuff so let's all calm down about it.
SPEAKER_24:Um you got just because the FDA approves it doesn't mean that it works.
SPEAKER_41:Right.
SPEAKER_24:And that's one thing we will be getting into on another show.
SPEAKER_41:It means that it's not going to work like acid on your head. Right. But it does might not kill you. It might not kill you it might not cause you to grow a third or fourth arm.
SPEAKER_24:Might not cause crickets to fall out of your head. I mean we that's that's the only thing that we can cross our fingers and hope at this point because yeah. Yeah so there's some laser light treatments so have you heard of those so I've heard of them for like other areas of the body for your face for facial usually a red like facial or like um hair removal uh that was Bobby stifling a sneeze um but yeah they have laser light treatment but like really I mean really is it is that all it takes to to actually fix something it's not no it's not that's like going in and saying you don't need liposuction you just need to immerse your body in this freezing temperature for 20 minutes every three days and it'll well okay there might be a little bit of truth to that but come on now.
SPEAKER_41:Laser lights really microneedling and I've done microneedling on my face. I thought that was where they isn't that where they tattoo no microne oh no no no that's um I'll come to that in a minute when I think of what it is uh blade um microblading microblading but microneedling is where you and I have the machine upstairs and you buy these little attachments and they can have anywhere from 12 to 36 little needles in one little attachment. And what it does is it goes in and it pulses on your skin and goes in and out of your skin and you set the depth based on how much you want to see a change in your face.
SPEAKER_24:Okay so what what I'm hearing so far is tattoo machine. Okay keep going kinda literally like a tattoo machine with a larger needle count on it.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah but it doesn't it you know they're not putting dye in your skin or anything well no but I'm saying just like the machine yeah what it does is it forces the collagen to come to the surface of your skin. Now when you turn 50 60 years old forget it folks because you don't have that collagen any longer you're not producing it like these young girls are and these young guys but um are you producing anything Bobby I'm not I'm not sure I'm producing anything at this point. But that also has been a you know a a new development that people are trying for their hair. That's crazy. Well I mean like I said I've done the microneedling on my face and I've done the laser the red laser on my face but again I don't have any collagen left so I'm kind of just doing it for recreation. It's recreational use officer I swear because I got nothing else going on so you know I do that. But um do you know anybody that like a woman we won't say men because men we're pretty used to men balding and that's no big deal to us but do you know any women that you know have really severe I mean I know it runs in our family on your side really bad.
SPEAKER_24:Yeah my mom's hair was really really thick and then of course when she got older it fell off and your sisters and stuff it's always once they got older it was yeah but otherwise I mean like I know of a couple of men that have done like the hair transplants. Yeah did that work so I'm gonna tell I'm gonna say no but I'm not a doctor. Okay. Maybe it did work and I'm just looking at it you know wrong. Um but it's weird because you know they take the hair follicles from other parts of the body. Ouch oh gross like off their legs or something like um yeah and I'm just like is that you know of course I gotta crack jokes because that's what I do. And I'm like is so is that like back hair or butt hair? I just want to know what I'm looking at at this point because it yeah.
SPEAKER_37:Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_24:I guess I just I don't see that I grew up with the whole it's just hair yeah mentality you know I dye it cut it bleach it lose it whatever it's just hair yeah you know and I guess that's me so I guess I don't know.
SPEAKER_41:Remember when uh there were a lot of people a lot of guys out there who wore toupees did you ever wear a toupee Dr.
SPEAKER_24:Domain just out of curiosity did you ever wear one no why would he need one yeah his luscious head of hair over here shining in the light of the studio I lost mine in school oh you did yeah I I I noticed I noticed it after I went on a field trip at school that you lost like that one trip and all your hair fell out it was we went to this um trying to think of the name of the place Chernobyl and went back I can notice it was thinning that was an immediate response I grew up with a friend who actually was balding at 16. Yeah he was almost completely bald by the time he was 18.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah I remember kids in high school that they were balding and it's that's crazy but like I said I always grew up with that mentality of it's just hair.
SPEAKER_24:Yeah and I'm not gonna stress about it because it's just hair.
SPEAKER_41:Yeah yeah there's another you know there's other vitamins and you know tinctures oils and things like that. Castor oil is supposed to be one that is has a little bit of evidence behind it.
SPEAKER_24:Castor oil has been used for everything laxative everything.
SPEAKER_41:Make you poop make your hair grow. It's like morphine but put it in your belly button to make your digestive system work better. It is kind of crazy. And then biotin of course is the vitamin that kind of helps your nails and your hair grow but I remember seeing a guy who had the hair transplant and it was like he had little X's on his head yeah where where they put the put the new hair phone stuff. Yeah and does that like stay forever or does that peel up? Allegedly no allegedly no I mean he had had these things put in a long while back and I thought does that ever seal up I mean what's going on I think the hair is supposed to grow over it so that it you can't see it but I'm not a hundred percent would you rather be bald or have those little pockets on your head I don't know I'd rather see him bald I mean Dr. Domain shaves his head which I think is very attractive yeah it's kind of a fryer tuck thing going on though if he doesn't if he doesn't shave it it's a whole fryer tuck thing. I said Bozo the clown at least he didn't get one of those toupees with the magnets that were installed under the guy's skin oh he shut you off he shut you off oh my goodness he shut your mic off that's so funny um no I like I do like uh a bald head I think it's uh attractive so okay look at him he's just gloating now but um perms also you know we talked about the chemical damage um of dyes and stuff because they have ammonias and peroxides and perm solutions especially bleaching yeah and perm solutions are so alkaline uh they can weaken the hair on the outer layer and the cuticles and uh it just really makes it dry brittle and prone to breakage and really breakage is the main problem and we think that it's really just our hair thinning but um scalp irritation I think I told everybody this but when oh Lord when we were when we were in Georgia we stayed in our motor home for like three months waiting for our house to get done and uh we have slide outs on it and every freaking time I was underneath one of the sides I'd come up and just smack my head so hard and it was just terrible and you know Dr. Domain was like should I get you a helmet that's my first thought you need a helmet at this point. What happened was I hit it so hard I almost passed out and it caused me you have no you have no self-preservation. I have nothing I got nothing there's nothing up there and also it gave me vertigo and if you've ever had a bad case of vertigo it's uh it's horrible it's horrible well anyway since that time period the where I got my and I kept hitting the same spot yeah it's not even different spots it wasn't it was like why can't I just hit a different spot you know you're just you're just the epitome of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I'm like the poster child for unsafe acts aren't I and to think that I was a safety director I know compliance but um yeah so anyway so my scalp now is just it's a mess and my dermatologist is like oh you must got hit in the head yeah like 43 times or dropped as a something like that. Probably both but yeah definitely um other things obviously that can cause hair loss are improper applications or chemical burns that can occur from like I said before perms uh that can damage your hair and potentially lead to scarring on the scalp and you know the reason I mean you see a lot of guys shaving their heads most of them don't get a lot of perms and most of them don't do a lot of hair coloring if you don't have any of it but um anyway the frequency of dyeing or perming your hair uh can cause cumulative damage to the scalp. Well that's just common sense though ultimately you know I'm just telling you as an old woman here if you want to save your hair girls you might want to uh consider I don't know maybe not putting so much chemical on it at this point maybe not using four cans of aqua nut back in the 80s to get your hair for glamour shots ready why are you calling me out listen I'll just call me out like that you don't have a single glamour shot of me that's all my museum okay you and my sister it was like every other weekend let's get a glamour shot and then you know you choke on the hair those my hair was so big oh my god both of yours it was it was crazy yeah so you look back on some of those 70s pictures and you go oh what happened but anyway I think that's probably all I've got for uh the losing your hair today's like uh we'll probably be looking for a new IT person since Dr. Domain since we've insulted him as much as we can what's this we shit this was all you you did you're see you're bailing on me now well that's all the insanity we have for today and we really do appreciate you joining us here and we appreciate you going into year two with us at the rabbit hole studio be sure to follow us uh we look forward to spending time with you each week please like us and share us and if you have positive feedback or you have a topic please send it off to us at boomerandgenxer at gmail.com hate mail we're still not accepting that uh as a matter of fact it's probably laying out there somewhere with my hair spalling out of my wheel 53 cans of aqua oh my gosh so anyway until next week I'm Jane Bird I'm Bobby Joy and you're stuck with the see some later