A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a Mother and Daughter questioning “Are we even related?”
A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
When Curiosity Turns Dark: The Psychology Of Obsession - Experiencing Bobbi's Dark Side (Yes, the interrupting tone in this episode IS intentional!)S:02E:7
A new sign lights up the Rabbit Hole Studio, and the conversation goes just as bright and unnervingly honest. We open the door to obsessions—what they are, what they aren’t, and how they can drift from funny quirks into compulsions that hijack agency. With our mother-daughter dynamic and a healthy dose of gallows humor, we trace a path from harmless glue peeling and book hoarding to pica and the uncomfortable corners of human behavior that most shows skim past.
We get specific. You’ll hear clear, plain-language distinctions among passion, obsession, and compulsion, plus real-world examples that make those lines easier to spot.
Some sections may make you squirm— it definitely made Jane question Bobbi's psyche!! But it was all for a good laugh....we think....
If you’ve ever wondered where your own habits sit on the spectrum—quirk, passion, obsession—this is your map.
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Welcome everyone to today's show. A boomer and a Gen Xer. Walking to a bar coming to you from the Rabbit Hole studio, where you, as our listeners, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a mother and daughter questioning. Are we even related? My name is Bobby Joy, and my co-host is my mom Jane. And we are here to entertain you for a while. Okay, Bobby.
SPEAKER_03:Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Hey, I want to tell everybody that we got some new decor in the Rabbit Hole Studio. We do. And if you go to our website site, our website, our Facebook page, you may have seen it already. Yes, you may have already seen it on our Facebook page. And it is the Rabbit Hole Studio logo. And um well, uh, what was it, a couple years ago or last year, that uh Dr. Domain uh had the the uh artwork done for us. Right. And we got that all taken care of and licensed and whatever we needed to do, and then we sent the information and the artwork over to Luminart in Kansas. Luminart. Luminart. And Colin, the owner there, we worked together and it took a little while because I will tell you, if you have not gone onto our website to take a look at this artwork and this signage, you need to because this is a layered project, and it is so incredibly cool. We are so happy with his work. It is, it's very intricate. Yeah, it is, and it's lit and uh yeah, and it's lit in two different ways. It's lit. Don't ever say that again. Oh, okay. Anyway, uh, go take a look at our Facebook page, our official Facebook page, and you'll see this artwork. And we're just so proud of it, and we're so happy that we have the rabbit hole studio, and uh, we've got a great place to record every week. And this week we are gonna be talking about. Hold on, Bobby, hold on to your seat. Hold on, hang on, weird obsessions, weird obsessions.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So see, when you told me the that what our subject was, you just had obsessions, and I'm like, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we can just do obsessions.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, hey, this is your show today.
SPEAKER_03:Who do you want me to be to make you sing?
SPEAKER_02:Your obsession with thinking you can sing.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I like to sing, too bad I'm no good at it. Yeah. Uh anyway, so we're gonna be talking about obsessions, and I don't even know how we got on to this particular topic or what made me think about it and send you a note and say, hey, we should do one on obsessions. Uh somebody must have had one, and I kind of went, that's weird.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So let me ask you, Bob, you have any obsessions?
SPEAKER_02:I do.
SPEAKER_03:You do?
SPEAKER_02:I do.
SPEAKER_03:Oh no. Tell me one, your major one.
SPEAKER_02:My major one. I would have to say, and I've had it since I was little, and it's really weird, especially when you're a little kid, is the obsession uh with knowledge, just taking in as much knowledge, information, reading, things like that as I could. Like just devour it all the time. Now, as an adult, I don't have as much time to kind of you know dive into things, even though I do have a lot more access with the internet around now, since I am older than Google. Um, with the internet around now, you know, I I do have more access to things, but I've always been very obsessed with just learning as much as possible about things that even if it's just off-handed, I hear something, I have to go look it up.
SPEAKER_03:You would think if you have an obs Oh Lord, you would think if you say it was relevant information, have an obsession about gaining information that maybe you would become, I don't know, knowledgeable about stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, well, I don't get paid to gain knowledge. Now, if I got paid to learn, oh, that makes it a lot of people. Really? You can't just do it on your own.
SPEAKER_03:I don't have time.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03:Have time? That's so funny. So gaining knowledge, actually, I do know that you have a buttload, and I mean a buttload of books, and you love to read. Yeah, and you do retain a lot of that information. Sometimes it's um how do I want to say this? Misdirected.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I was gonna say unsavory.
SPEAKER_03:Misdirected, or you don't remember it exactly the way that it happened, but you do get to the point.
SPEAKER_02:But I can say, wait, I know which book that was in. Hold on, let me go look. Or wait, I've heard of that.
SPEAKER_03:You can do that, and you can give us a little bit of information, but are you accurate on everything? Not always, uh, not always, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That's because it's just a jumble up there. I mean, you hit a certain age, and you know, you start getting rid of some things that you kind of like a washing machine, just kind of like what, what, what, what?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so um Dr. Domain uh is with us, of course, in the studio today. Woohoo! Dr. Domain, do you have any obsessions?
SPEAKER_01:No, Maya. Well, there's a fun show about obsessions where the lady is obsessively eating toilet paper.
SPEAKER_02:That's pica.
SPEAKER_01:All that kind of weird stuff. What's pika?
SPEAKER_02:So pika is where you have a need to eat things that are not edible, like toilet paper, paper, deodorant.
SPEAKER_01:There's even a more scientific specific term for eating paper. Oh, I don't know. There is a term for it. Um she's gonna look at us.
SPEAKER_02:I am, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's something xyrograph or something like that.
SPEAKER_03:Eating toilet paper. No, paper. Paper. Oh, I thought you said eating toilet paper.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's the show specifically addressed this lady that liked to eat toilet paper.
SPEAKER_03:It it is called, it's known as pika. Specifically, the compulsive ingestion of paper is called xylophageia. Xylophagia. I'm saying it wrong, I'm sure. I know you are, but it starts with an X. Yeah. So xylophageia. No, I think it is. Xylophage.
SPEAKER_02:I just know it was pika.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, pika is um, yeah, the eating paper.
SPEAKER_01:So I guess my obsession is watching people that have weird obsessions.
SPEAKER_02:Watching people eat paper. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Or some lady that drank gas, and there's all kinds of weird stuff.
SPEAKER_03:There's there's people that like I I was watching only French fries or yeah, I was watching one where this lady, and I remember accidentally doing this as a kid. Accidentally and quoting. Yeah. Okay. Drinks bleach. Yes. Yeah. Drinks bleach. Yeah. And I remember accidentally drinking some down one time, you know, when I was a kid. I was probably, I don't know, seven or eight years old, and I remember that, but didn't really do anything to me.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway, well, that's a different argument for a different show.
SPEAKER_01:I had my tonsils out and I had an obsession with trying to scratch the um stitches in the back of my throat. Oh. And it turned into a talent.
SPEAKER_03:It turned into a bar trick. What did it turn into?
SPEAKER_01:I swallow my tongue.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he was rich. He was part of the rich science.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Well, I had scabs, and so I would stick the q-tip on the end of a straw and itch the scabs in the back of my throat.
SPEAKER_03:Bobby, what you what you learned to do because you had your I can swallow my tongue.
SPEAKER_01:No way!
SPEAKER_03:And it's gross. I'm not kidding you. He showed me the first time, and I thought, oh no, you're gonna show her here in the studio. Oh my gosh. Seriously.
SPEAKER_02:You know, people would pay good money on the internet to see that. Why aren't you selling these? Oh my god, pimp you.
SPEAKER_03:We're gonna pimp you out as a sideshow at the fair.
SPEAKER_02:You know, maybe we need to do like like useless talents because you know, me and my sister used to at the spaghetti works do the swallow the spaghetti noodle and then take it out.
SPEAKER_03:Oh gross, you did do that. Anyway, I remember sneezing one time and accidentally having spaghetti come out my nose, but it wasn't on purpose. You guys used to do it as a bar trick. Yeah, oh my gosh. So, um, some other things that people do, you know, obsessions, obviously. Well, no one asked me if I have any, but I don't. I don't have any obsessions.
SPEAKER_02:Oh no, you don't have OCD at all. I don't, not at all. No, no, no, no, termophobe OCD type thing. No, yeah, that's true. That's true. No, no, because as I watch her, as I watch her walk, yes, say no, 12 minutes.
SPEAKER_01:I know.
SPEAKER_02:As I watch her walk around the kitchen looking for the tiniest crumbs on the counter and that's just repeatedly wiping. That's you have to wipe it three times for it to be clean. You know what? That was it's an obsession. No, it is it? Is it Dr. Domain?
SPEAKER_01:It is. Yeah, you're very good at cleaning.
SPEAKER_02:So, do you know the actual Merriam-Webster definition of an obsession? What is it? It is a persistent, disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling. That's number one. Number two is something that can cause an obsession. So, like obsessional, like losing weight, can cause an obsession that revo, you know, avoidance in certain foods, things like that. And did you know when it first uh started being used? No. 1680.
SPEAKER_03:What? Yeah, the word obsession, huh? So that was when psychologists started coming up with words like, well, she's an idiot, or she's a nitwick, nitwick, or uh she's mentally um unwell. Yeah, unwell, or um stupid. Stupid was actually one of the one of the words that they used. So that was probably back then when they were trying to come up with words to describe this stuff. So toilet paper. I I wonder if any of our listeners eat toilet paper or paper, just paper. Have pika. Have you ever seen kids who eat glue?
SPEAKER_02:I was one not the Elmer's glue, but that actual glue that no, it was like the clear glue that had the brush in it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh smelled the smart kids just huffed it and sniffed. Yeah, you ate it?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god. And play-doh after she was sniffing. Play-doh was great. Maybe. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe it went from sniffing and huffing then to eating. Is that progression? Was it progressive?
SPEAKER_03:Was it a progressive thing?
SPEAKER_01:Or memory loss. I think memory loss is a good thing. It is memory loss. Oh my gosh. Too much glue.
SPEAKER_03:So the the glues that I remember kids eating were the little white containers of paste. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Those were really good though, because you never mind.
SPEAKER_03:Because you could suck on the brush.
SPEAKER_02:Here's the thing though, by the time by the time I went to school, the little containers of white paste, the teachers wouldn't really let us use that because we eat. They knew you ate it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, what is up with that? Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02:Listen, I'm not saying I was right or wrong. I'm saying that this might account for some of the disorder.
SPEAKER_01:Other things, like what was your favorite color of crayon to eat?
SPEAKER_03:Did you eat crayon?
SPEAKER_02:No, I didn't eat crayons, but you know, I ate the sticks of butter. I ate the toothpaste, you know, things like that.
SPEAKER_03:So gross.
SPEAKER_01:Purple. Purple crayons were my favorite.
SPEAKER_03:And I remember her eating butter. It was like, what the hell? I'd get caught three o'clock in the morning, stand in front of the fridge, half stick of butter gone. Something's wrong. Yeah. And it wasn't like I wasn't feeding these kids. No, we weren't starving. It was just really freaking good, and you wouldn't let me do it during the daytime. So this was kind of this hadn't didn't have anything to do with eating the paste. But do you guys remember putting the paste on your hands and letting peeling it off and peeling it off?
SPEAKER_02:I still do that with Elmer's glue.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my gosh. If I'm bored. It was like, oh, we're taking our skin off of our hands. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of that's I don't know. That's an obsession to me. That's kind of bizarre. So uh there are people out there who have to, and this is this is really an O C D thing too, is you know, check things multiple times, right? Like check the door, shut the door, open the door, shut the light off, shut the light off so many times, check the oven so many times. They have to count so many times, and yeah, or lock the door, unlock the door, lock the door.
SPEAKER_02:Well, a lot of people they kind of mix up what an obsession or a passion is. So an obsession is something that you don't have control over. Like you you have this compulsive need to engage in these activities. You and you may feel that you're unable to stop, or a passion you can stop or you can control it type of thing. So there's a big difference because like people will be like, oh, you know, I have an obsession over, I don't know, pink fluffy sweaters. No, you have a passion for them. Like it's not ruining your life, it's not making, you know, right make bad decisions. Right.
SPEAKER_01:What's the difference then between obsession and compulsion? Not passion, but just obsession. Obsession and compulsion.
SPEAKER_03:Compulsion and compulsion? Compulsion is something that you have like you're you have to do like right now, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Compulsion is like an act, like a need to act type of thing. So do they run together, I wonder? I think that they do kind of run hand in hand.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, strange doesn't seem to adequately describe some of the addictive behaviors that are profiled on that series of addictions, my strange addictions. I mean, a lot of those are dangerous and very life-threatening. Like there was somebody who chews and swallows uh rubber bands. Oh, I used to chew and swallow my hair. That's so gross. It is. Oh my goodness. It is, but I couldn't quit.
SPEAKER_01:I know, Dr. So gross. That's worse than swallowing someone's tongue.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I don't know. Okay, I just saw what happened. And I'm telling you, there's a fine line, my friend. There is a fine line. You can do an OnlyFans, and that's all you do all day, and you can make millions. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my gosh. And I'm gonna tell the listeners. I want a new boat. I'm gonna tell the listeners right now, it is probably, and I've seen a lot of really gory, disturbing things. It's probably one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen a live human do is swallow their own.
SPEAKER_03:Within a foot of you, because he was like right here. He's like, I know, he rolled right up on you. Oh my god. Have you ever seen anybody pull their hair, like pull their hair out in chunks? Yeah. We had a girl in school when I was growing up, and I mean she would pull it out in chunks, not just here's a couple hairs. She would grab a chunk of it and pull it out.
SPEAKER_02:With my uh, I don't know what you want to call it, my my current position in my job. I do see a lot of very odd and weird behavior. So we have, you know, the hair pullers, the pika, the the biters, the you know, the self-harmers, things like that to where they'll bite their own skin off and eat it, type of thing. And it's yeah, that's gross. Yeah, the the compulsion, oh Jesus. The compulsion behind it, they don't have control over it. I mean, there you you think that, oh, yeah, a lot of times they do it for attention, but there are some things that they don't have that control of themselves and they absolutely have to do it. And if they're not allowed to do it or if they're restrained from doing it, then it causes just all kinds of other issues.
SPEAKER_03:So I was also reading that there was this one guy that was uh on one of the episodes and he eats glass. Oh, I seen that. So um like a goat. It's not for what's in the glass, it's like for the crunch of the glass as he bites into it.
SPEAKER_02:Has he never heard of like the um the candy, the glass candy? Rock candy, yeah, like things like that. Like I don't know, come on now. I'd be searching that out before I, you know, I mean, there's a lot of things that I would do before I and obsessions obsessions aren't always unhealthy, but there are a lot of dangerous obsessions, you know, like unhealthy fixations, and they can actually evolve into things like stalking violence and self-harm. One of the ones I remember was well, there's a couple of them, you know, the unhealthy obsession with uh celebrities, yeah. You know, where they think, oh, this celebrity, I need to be with them. I I love them so much. Well, they become stalkers, their whole life revolves around them. John Lennon died because of one, right?
SPEAKER_03:Right. And so there's a lot of people who have uh what was that little Latino girl's name that Selena? Yes, she got killed by a stalker that somebody was just totally obsessed with her. Well, and she worked for her.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay. She was actually employed by her, and be she became so obsessed with her and becoming her that yeah, she murdered her. And uh who was it? Oh, the gal that played in Silence of the Lambs. Um, Jody Foster. Jody Foster. She had a stalker, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I remember that. She was good in Panic Room, too. She was, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but you know, a lot of celebrities because they're in the spotlight, um, people do have that twisted obsession of, you know, knowing this person, being intimate with this person, you know, things like that. And it does become dangerous. It becomes dangerous for everyone around them, it becomes dangerous for that person. And yeah, it can get to the point of death.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because psychology today addressed, uh, and I read some of the uh articles there was uh some that are developing romantic or sexual relationships with like inanimate objects. Okay, so we're talking about talking about just sex sex toys. I'm talking about like compulsive behaviors, like you know, putting a hammer up there or you know, just a poor what I was gonna say, do you want me to name them?
SPEAKER_02:Because I actually work with these people. I actually work with these people, so there's an insertion obsession, um, which is for males. And um I'm gonna get kind of gross right now. Is that in the butt? So no, actually, it's in the urethra. Oh they have an obsession with inserting things into their urethra to the point where it causes damage, but they cannot stop themselves. There's also the obsession of um farm animals that they think that they uh have a passionate relationship with a farm animal or a cat or a dog. Oh man, you know, and I wish that I wish that this was untrue, but I'm gonna tell you right now, I work daily with these people. I know you do. And there's the um, there's the you know, people who have relationships inside their own heads with other people, um, to the point where it does become dangerous in my last other people.
SPEAKER_03:In my last marriage, I had a relationship inside my head. Nobody else knew about it. Nobody else knew about it because apparently he was having relationships with other people. Oh damn! So with everyone else, with everyone else.
SPEAKER_02:So I understand that being inside the head, but it is, and it does become, you know, to the point of self-harm or harming others, and it's it's absolutely for someone who doesn't suffer from these types of I'll say illnesses. For someone that doesn't suffer with these type of illnesses, it you know, we look at it from the outside and we go, how could they think that way? How could they do this? How could you know? And to them, it's completely logical, it's not absolutely rationalized in their heads as to why and how they're doing this. That's true, that is true.
SPEAKER_03:It's crazy. And you know, because and it isn't that, well, didn't anybody teach them any differently, or weren't they educated, or sometimes it is some highly educated people who have these types of obsessions. Absolutely. So let's not act like you know, I'm a college graduate, so therefore I can't have an obsession like this because they do.
SPEAKER_02:And honestly, if it wasn't kind of normalized in a way, you wouldn't be able to walk into an adult store and see things that represent these obsessions.
SPEAKER_03:Like what?
SPEAKER_02:Do you really want to know?
unknown:Yeah. Oh God.
SPEAKER_02:Um, so the insertion thing, there are actual toys that um are for that, for the uh animals, you know, there's the blow-up sheeps and things like that. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, listen, I've been I've been in an adult store before. I used to work in one. No, I remember. Yeah, I've been I've been in them, so it's not like uh, you know, that's news to me. But some of the stuff, and I'm not kidding you, when I've gone into them, I stand there and laugh so hard, and I'm so loud laughing that it's almost like they one time they did tell me that I needed to you need to leave because you're making the weirdos uncomfortable. I didn't need to leave, but I needed to be quiet because I was making all those perverts.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because the the quarter uh machines in the back that the guys are at are so silent. Let me tell you what.
SPEAKER_03:God. So there's also this is kind of weird. This is an obsession of roadkill collecting, an unusual habit where individuals will go around and they'll pick up roadkill for their own personal collections. And how do you think we get Davy Crockett hats? I you're thinking back to when I wore that Davy Crockett hat for like three years straight. That's the visual that came to mind, but I was thinking somebody went out and shot, you know, a raccoon or something, didn't go around and pick them up. But no, that's not what they're using. That's not what they're using this roadkill for. I'm just telling you.
SPEAKER_02:Like a taxidermy collection.
SPEAKER_03:Wait a minute. So didn't you tell me about somebody who made pillows or something out of skin or somebody? Oh, wait, that was Ed Gean. Ed Gean. Ed Gean. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to hear about because I we just started watching this.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you're in the you're in episode two of it. My goodness, and let me tell you, you're in for a wild ride if you think that roadkill being made into stuff is something. Oh my god. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not kidding you. So Ed Gean's story, it's under on monsters on Netflix, I think. Yep. And oh my gosh. Seriously, Dr. Domain and I are in in episode two, and I looked at him last night and I said, I don't, I'm not sure I can watch a rookie numbers.
SPEAKER_02:I've already been through the series. I'm on I'm on the third time through the series, but I've been reading. Why would you wait a minute?
SPEAKER_03:I need to know why you have to watch it again and again and again.
SPEAKER_02:Well, because you catch new things. It's an absurd thing. It is, but you catch new things. So, you know, the first time you watch through it, you're just kind of watching it.
SPEAKER_01:And what kind of details do you really need to do?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, what is it that you like to really educate yourself on? Like cinematically, you know, when they do like a picture or you know, they do a shot of him in his living room, you don't notice that the lamp is made out of skin. You don't notice that the bowl that is holding the candy on the table is actually a skull because it doesn't look like one from that angle. But then you watch it again and you're going, oh my God, that is a skull, or oh my god, that is made out of a lady's face.
SPEAKER_03:We'll call it investigator. Because even when we were watching the first, the very first episode of this, and I don't mean to get off on this, but this is these are crazy obsessions he has. And it isn't just one obsession, folks, it's like multiples. If you want to see a whole gang full of obsessions, you need to watch this series and it'll gross you out. But I I was telling uh Dr. Domain before it ever happened, I said, Oh, here's what's gonna happen next. And then here, oh, he's gonna do this. And he goes, Am I gonna be able to watch this? Yeah, shut up. Yeah, because you know, it's kind of like watching 48 hours. I mean, within the first three minutes, I go, Oh, I heard I know who did it. Yeah, I know who did it. I know who did it.
SPEAKER_02:So, um, yeah, but and maybe I do, I mean, we've talked about this before with my whole podcast thing and everything else, but maybe I do have kind of an unhealthy obsession with serial killers because I mean, I'm literally ever since I was probably 11, 12 years old, I have I have in-depth studied them, you know, from case files to stories and things like that.
SPEAKER_03:Is I don't think that that is a uh an obsession with them. I think it is a a a complete and total interest in investigatory uh information. I think it's more about the psychology of it. I think it is of like that's part of the investigation. How did that happen? Why didn't they get from this to this type of thing? And if this happened, why didn't this happen?
SPEAKER_02:Right, you know, because there has to be some type of and kind of what what builds the foundation of someone who can do something like that. Right. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03:So we're gonna continue on these weird obsessions. There's another one out there that I thought was super weird too, and it's clinical vampire vampirism.
SPEAKER_02:Vampirism, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Do you know what that's called? So what it's called? Renfield's syndrome. Okay. It's an addiction to drinking blood, yeah. I've heard of it, which can be from an animal or a human. Yeah. And the reason for that type of compulsion is really not even, it's not even remotely understood. You know, some of these other compulsions, you can kind of go, why are they doing that? And you can kind of get to uh almost like a fundamental base reason or awareness, but that one no.
SPEAKER_02:Well, and I know I've heard sometimes with that the compulsion comes because of a severe anemia. So you actually do kind of crave that that red meat blood type of thing.
SPEAKER_01:There's your fix. What you talked about anemia.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, so what he's talking about.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's there's got iron in it, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:So when I was severely anemic, they told me to eat a bunch of red meat.
SPEAKER_01:What?
SPEAKER_02:When I was severely anemic, I used to get to be 12 shots. They said, eat as much red meat as you can tolerate, you know, especially blood. Especially meating red. You know what? You're freaking our listeners too.
SPEAKER_01:What's your favorite? What's your favorite?
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god. You want to be freaked out about drinking blood, that's that whole vampirism cult down in Florida where they were caught drinking blood. Then they ended up with the big thing. Let's do a different podcast on that one, shall we? What Dr.
SPEAKER_03:Dan Wade was talking about is I had my blood work done. Okay. And I was, you know, trying to check, make sure my cholesterol was down, and it was. And and unfortunately, I've lost weight here recently, and so's my red and white blood. Well, unfortunately, I've lost weight. No, no, no. No, that wasn't the unfortunate part. Jesus. It's just that my red and blood. So anyway, he goes, Oh, so what's that? I go, I'm a little anemic, you know, which I've been anemic for years. Kind of runs in the family. Yeah, and so I said, you know, I gotta eat a little red meat and maybe some broccoli or some things.
SPEAKER_01:That's around an idea.
SPEAKER_03:It's just start drinking blood. I that's that's so gross.
SPEAKER_01:Well, the other suggestion I gave you is have a pie in a Guinness. Because that's high in iron.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, very high in iron.
SPEAKER_01:The original Guinness, not yeah, they're not it's not uncommon for them to give uh a Guinness to someone that just gave birth, you know. Right.
SPEAKER_03:So I want you to tell me what you think this is what you think geophagia is. Geophagia.
SPEAKER_02:Geophagia or geophagia?
SPEAKER_03:It's a G. Geophagia, what that is. What kind of what kind of obsession or compulsion an obsession with rocks? You're close. Dirt. Eating dirt. What about this?
SPEAKER_01:Is weird. That's not uncommon though. I don't know what a kid has not had a mud pie.
SPEAKER_03:I used to eat worms. Yeah, but you don't have an obsession with it. It's not like you have to do it on a regular basis. You know, these people who are eating paper they want.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Probably those six months of your life. It was pretty cool.
SPEAKER_03:Tapophilia. Tapophilia.
SPEAKER_02:Tapophilia.
SPEAKER_03:What does that sound like?
SPEAKER_02:Um Tapophilia. Taphilia, I know.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. P H. E P H I L I A. Tapophilia. Tapophilia. Tapestry. It is a fascination or obsession with being buried alive. Being in an enclosed small dark space underground.
SPEAKER_02:That's one of my biggest things.
SPEAKER_03:And it provides a super adrenaline rush for some individuals, and they die that way sometimes. Well, that.
SPEAKER_02:That would be more of like an addiction to the to the thrill of surviving it, wouldn't it?
SPEAKER_01:So you can never be on the show Fear Factor where they bury someone alive.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, I believe.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, me and my sister did some really messed up shit when we were kids, and I'm telling you what, I burying alive or suffocation.
SPEAKER_03:Covering her up in the sandpile was not the same thing, Bobby, or putting that cat poop all on her. That was not the same thing. Okay, what about Vora Vora Raphaelia?
SPEAKER_02:It would really help if you would have like looked up the pronunciations of these things. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Vora Raphaelia.
SPEAKER_02:Vora Raphaelia? Raphaelia.
SPEAKER_03:Vora Raphaelia.
SPEAKER_02:It sounds like you're having a stroke.
SPEAKER_03:You're so hurtful. I am. That is an erotic desire to either consume or be consumed by another person or creature. Cannibalism. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I wouldn't say it's erotic, but I'm saying if when in Rome, if I'm on a Win in Rome? If I'm on a listen, hey, if everybody else is eating everybody else, I'm just gonna go for it. I'm against cannibalism. Fred R makeup medium rare. But if I'm at a place where they're, you know, like they're like a plane rather than. Or like they practice cannibalism and they're like, hey, do you want to try this? I'm not passing that up. Oh my god!
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely not. Okay, see, I have to cut that out of the show now. Yes, I do. Because you are a freaking freak. I've heard that the face flesh tastes a little fishy. Okay, stop. But stop. Oh my gosh, people. I want you to know that. Listen, I'm just saying if there was a plane rat. She's joking around here. Or if I was on a deserted island where they were active.
SPEAKER_00:That's a matter of survival. That's certainly. But I'm saying, like, if you're not, you're not just going, oh, they're passing around the hors d'oeuvre tray of fingers. I'm gonna have one.
SPEAKER_02:That looks like my mom's let's say I'm down, you know, like in the Amazon and there's some un unknown tribe, and I find them and they're like, hey, do you want to try this guy's leg? I'm probably gonna be like, it's cooked.
unknown:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, please, please, listeners. Now you know what I've been dealing with. Okay. Now, now you know the rest of this. You're gonna tell me that if you had the opportunity, no, no, to even if I was starving to death, there's a pretty good chance I wouldn't, I still wouldn't really, you would not eat a person for your own survival. I wouldn't what if they were already dead and frozen? No, not doing it. Oh no, you're insane. No, wouldn't do it. I'd die first.
SPEAKER_00:If are you talking about a matter of survival or just to oh my god, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, like let's say you you crash in the candies. Oh, not crashing in the Andes and the survivors are frozen in the plane, and you build a fire and you're like, oh my god, it's day nine, we haven't had anything to eat, but Bob in the plane is still frozen. What if we just take one of his legs and we cook it for survival? That's for survival. But I'm saying you wouldn't do that.
SPEAKER_03:No, I wouldn't. I couldn't.
SPEAKER_02:I'd eat it like a chicken leg at the Iowa State Fair.
SPEAKER_01:I think there's a bit different.
SPEAKER_03:If it was for survival, Bobby, you need to clarify that.
SPEAKER_02:If it was for survival, I would eat it like a chicken leg at the Iowa State Fair. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03:Put that sucker up.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my gosh. The fact that you would the fact that you would have the survival mechanism of No, I would die first. I would die first. So where's the line? Would you eat a horse if you wouldn't need a survival snake? I wouldn't eat a snake. Okay, so you wouldn't eat a snake. Would you eat a horse? Um possibly for survival. I'm talking purely for survival.
SPEAKER_03:Purely for survival. What about a dog? I would eat a dog if it was purely for survival. Yeah. Right. Uh no, because I carry too many diseases. Well, I'm saying non-disease, you know, just cook it up.
SPEAKER_02:But you draw the line at humans. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my goodness, yes.
SPEAKER_02:That's insane.
SPEAKER_03:I have that's cut it all out of this show.
SPEAKER_02:That's insane to me that you would not survive. You would not have the self-preservation. Here's my address. Could you send someone right away? So I have this obsession with irritating the shit out of mom.
SPEAKER_03:So let's make that perfectly clear because I think people are thinking that you're serious, Bobby, so stop it. Uh piquerism. Piquerism. And I think we should know what this is.
SPEAKER_01:You're not allowed to ask more if you can't pronounce them.
SPEAKER_03:Let's say pickerism.
SPEAKER_02:Pique my interest.
SPEAKER_03:P-I-Q-U. P-A-R-I-S-M.
SPEAKER_02:Pick Pickerism. Picker? Eating your buggers.
SPEAKER_03:No, but it's a compulsive for piercing the flesh of others with sharp knives. Or with sharp objects.
SPEAKER_02:Sharp objects. Oh, so like um what is it suspension? Suspension play. Like where they put the hooks in the body and then suspend. Oh, yeah. And it's uh yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It was like the that movie with Dustin Hoffman where they use the eagle claws and they pull the claims.
SPEAKER_03:On the nipples. Oh yeah, that was so gross.
SPEAKER_01:I don't remember the name of it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. You know, I thought this episode today was gonna be like, you know, your sister has this obsession with not letting her food touch each other on a plate. You know, that kind of thing weird.
SPEAKER_02:You know, that's actually a thing.
SPEAKER_03:And yeah, you know, the fact that I probably have more sunglasses than anybody ever needs. And boots. Uh I don't know about that, but um, you know, those kind of obsessions. But no, what happens? We lead down this road that now I'm gonna be walking out of here and I'm gonna be having nightmares about you more so than I am Ed Geen. I mean, I wouldn't eat you just for fun. That's all I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02:I wouldn't eat just for fun.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's good to know, Bobby. Good to know. Well, I gotta be honest with you. I think that's pretty much all we've got for today because I don't think I can take it anymore here. This is just crazy. So um, oh my gosh, I can't even I can't even do the outro. Uh, we appreciate y'all joining us here at the rabbit hole studio every week. Uh, if you have a topic, and please don't let it be on this obsession thing. And please, please do not write in about Bobby. You can just message me directly. Oh my gosh. If you have a topic that you would like us to talk about, or if you have some comments uh that you want to share with us, certainly uh recipes. Recipes. Oh my gosh, I can't even get through this. So I'm just gonna say I'm Jane Burke. And I'm Bobby Joy. And you're stuck with us.
SPEAKER_02:Peace out later.