Two Generations Debate Protests, Free Speech, And Where The Line Gets Crossed S:2E:18

A cold snap and a few laughs set the stage for a charged, honest look at protest: what the First Amendment protects, what “peaceful” really means, and how quickly crowds can tip from calm to chaos. We trade views on caged protest zones, arrests at sit-ins, and whether restrictions honor safety or silence dissent. The heart of the debate lands on neutrality—if rules keep order, they must be applied fairly or they erode trust.

We move through history and headlines, contrasting disciplined nonviolence with scenes of destruction that damage communities and drown out the message. Kneeling during the national anthem and flag burning become lenses on symbolic speech, patriotism, and personal boundaries. One of us embraces the right without loving the act; the other defends the act as a potent, nonviolent message. We also call out a common contradiction: condemning the burning of a lawfully owned flag while flying altered versions at home. Free speech cuts both ways, and consistency matters.

The conversation widens to immigration protests and the system itself. If deportations feel unjust, push for policy that creates faster, legal paths to citizenship rather than turning neighbors into targets. Throughout, we return to a shared standard: protect people, property, and access to help; protect the right to assemble and speak; and put the energy where it counts—on laws, not on each other. If a gathering starts to turn, look for the helpers; if you can’t find them, become one.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Welcome, welcome, welcome, everyone, to today's show. Boomer and a Gen X are walking to a bar. Coming to you from the Rabbit Run studio, where you, as our listeners, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assary, and this mother and that daughter questioning, are we even related? My name is Jane. My co-host is my daughter Bobby. For the next several minutes, we are here to entertain you. Bobby, how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00 0:32

You know, it is colder than Alaska up here, and we got warnings that I've never had the entirety that I've lived in the northern states. We got warnings of exploding trees.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

What? So Wow, that's bizarre. That's what I said. I've never heard of such a thing.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Well, um, I like explosive diarrhea.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Explosive diarrhea of a tree. That's right. That's right. It's uh got a lot of bark coming out. It's funny because um I don't know when our listeners will be listening to this. Of course, they can go in and grab anything out of our library and listen to it anytime they want, but we are recording in January, and uh it is cold up north and it is cold down south, and I mean cold, cold. So um we're expecting a snowstorm here. Of course, you know, a snowstorm in the south is a little different from a snowstorm in the Midwest.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

Definitely. I know when I lived in Texas, I think one time in four years we got a quarter inch of snow, which is a light dusting um up here, and the entire state shut down. So that was fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

That's exactly what I mean. We last year we had a snowstorm that hit Atlanta, and I'm not kidding you. It was like a show of a lifetime. It was like the circus came to town. And you know, because well, they don't have equipment down here like we've got up north, right? They don't need it, right? And so, you know, people are scared. And when you're not used to driving on snow and ice, I mean, it is treacherous. Even those of us who are used to driving on snow and ice, we get scared. I mean, it's white-knuckled driving for us, right?

South Versus North Snow Culture

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

So, what do we want to talk about today? I know we have a couple of topics, and I'm letting you choose today. So, what would you like to talk about, my dear?

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Well, I think the last couple of episodes, we've kind of been in agreement on some things, and it's kind of derailed a few of our listeners. So, today I'm I'm really gonna poke the bear. And today we are gonna talk about something that you don't want to talk about. That is protesting.

Choosing The Topic: Protesting

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Ah, protesting, yes. We've got enough uh weirdos out on the street right now, and uh, we're referring to it as protesting. And in some states, they're even talking about it being peaceful protesting. So we can talk about that, uh, absolutely, because I'm pretty sick and tired of it. So uh yeah, let's go. Let's roll, sister.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

All right. So let's start off with do you what do you know about protesting? Like legally, they you know, let's start with the basics, protesting. What do you think when you hear about protesting?

What The First Amendment Protects

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Well, obviously it's part of the First Amendment rights, right? So protesters' right, First Amendment, you know, it protects your your right to assemble and express your views through protest. Now, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. So you need to make sure that you're brushing up on what that right actually means before you go and head out on the streets and start attacking people. Because let's face it, Bobby, that's what we're seeing right now is a lot of attacks, and that is something that I am so totally against. So when you just now said uh you and I are not going to agree, I'm all for a peaceful protest. You want to protest something? I think a peaceful protest, but what's a peaceful protest look like to you, Bobby?

Peaceful Protest And Public Spaces

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Like you said, legally, it does protect the right to assemble and speak in public places such as sidewalks, parks, even government-owned places like the state capitol, things like that. You know, it it ranges from marches, rallies, and vigils to nonviolent civil disobedience, boycotts, and sit-ins. Now, this was a big thing up at the uh state of Iowa Capitol not too long ago. I actually know people that went and did a sit-in um and used their First Amendment right, and it was a peaceful protest, and many of them were arrested, many of them were violently arrested. A lot of the charge, I think 99% of them got the charges dropped.

Arrests At A Capitol Sit-In

SPEAKER_01 4:44

So tell me how they got arrested, though. If it was a peaceful protest, it wasn't impeding any type of rules, regulations, any type of traffic, any type of you know, work scenarios. Why is it that they got arrested? If it was on public property, because sidewalks are public property, parks, most parks, there are some that are not public parks. But anyway, if if everything was peaceful, why did they get arrested?

Protest Zones And Neutral Limits

SPEAKER_00 5:11

So we don't know. Apparently, there were some people there who were higher up in government that just did not like that they were there, did not like that you know they were peacefully assembling and demanded that they be arrested and removed from the property. Now, there were some mistakes made. They did admit that there were some mistakes made on the law enforcement side that they should not have been arrested. They were doing a peaceful sit-in. Um, but you know, it it kind of goes to what are we willing to deal with? What are we willing to allow people to do with their First Amendment right? Because, you know, you see when when Trump came to town, this was a while back, Trump, you know, President Trump came to town, and they actually told people, listen, um, you can protest, but it has to be three blocks away from the route that he's taking. It has to be within this caged area. Uh, it has to, you know, they put all these parameters on it, and people were going, wait a second, this is not, this is not our first amendment, right? Our first amendment, right? Oh, excuse you, Dr. Domain.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

We're all fighting colds, you know. I mean, come on.

History Lessons: 60s, MLK, Vietnam

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Um, it's okay. Um, but you know, they they had parameters set up and it was basically a caged area that was blocks away from what was going on. And at that point, it's like, why even protest there? Because the person that you're you're trying to, you know, have see is not going to see it. Why were they they not allowed to peacefully protest in the public areas that he was going to pass, type of thing. And this is a huge thing, you know. This is something that, and we'll talk about, you know, what what happens when it turns violent and things like that, you know, but at a at a even a peaceful protest, you have to be prepared to defend your First Amendment right. And I'm not saying, you know, fight somebody. I'm saying you have to be prepared to be detained, you have to be prepared to be arrested. Um, you have to be prepared for certain people committing acts that do not align with the First Amendment right. That can be a scary thing, but you know, it you I'm against the fact that they're going to tell me that I cannot use my First Amendment right on a public property just because a certain person is going to be driving by it.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

Well, I'm you know what well, I'm not because it says in the rights that you know they have the right to have parameters, they have the right to set boundaries. And so whether we like it or not, they have that right to do it.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

But they have to be neutral parameters and boundaries. Okay. And I don't see that as being neutral at all. I think kind of one-sided.

When Protests Turn Violent

SPEAKER_01 8:01

So I guess that's a matter of perception. Now, you know, I think back of when I was growing up, and of course I was pretty darn young in the 60s when we had, you know, a lot of the sit-ins and they were protesting the Vietnam War and all of that. I wasn't even uh, you know, I don't I think I was still in diapers or in kindergarten or something. And so I didn't really understand it back then, but you look back at the protests that we had, those were not violent protests. Everybody thought the world was going to come to an end because we had young people who were actually advocating love and s and peace instead of you know war and hate. And you look back and you go, what was so wrong about that? We would love to have that today, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:43

But look at look at how many of those people were arrested being civil, being peaceful, being, you know, using their First Amendment right. And not only were they arrested, they were sometimes violently arrested.

Minnesota Riots Debate

SPEAKER_01 8:58

Yeah, that's true. I mean, they were drugged, they were, you know, they were beat up, they were cast, they were helped. Oh, yeah, all kinds of stuff. And there were, but there were a lot of protests that weren't because they did follow the rules, they did do it peacefully. You know, again, I think the older generation at that time really saw that as being very threatening. I mean, look at Martin Luther King's, you know, march. You know, there was nothing that wasn't peaceful about that. That whole thing. He, you know, everything was peaceful about that. And God love him. I mean, he wasn't he wasn't the best cat in the world, but he certainly uh was an advocate for peaceful demonstration. Let's make a difference, you know, let's create change. The peaceful protest is also known as nonviolent resistance or nonviolent action. It is the act of expressing disapproval through a statement or action without the use of violence. Now, you're not gonna tell me, Bobby, right now that you're not seeing a lot of violence on the street with the protests and all of these people who are acting like political pawns right now. You just want to say, don't you have a family at home? Seriously, go home.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Because Well, yes, and no. So I I I'm gonna bring this to another level on that. So you remember the quote unquote riots up in Minnesota a few years ago, right? They burned down police stations, things like that. Right. Those started out as peaceful protests.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

No, they didn't.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Don't no, they didn't. Don't even say that they did.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

No, they didn't. They started out writing.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

I believe no, they did not because they did not start rioting until that match was lit when the police came in and started strong arming them.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

No, that's not true. Yeah, it was when George Floyd died. So are you talking about that protest? Are you talking about that burning down of the city? Because there wasn't anything peaceful about that anytime at all.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Oh, in the beginning, it was peaceful. If you watch the lives, it was peaceful. They were assembling on public property, they were assembling together without threats of violence until that match was struck. Now, I'm not saying it was definitely the police's fault, but I'm saying that people panicked. People panicked, people got scared. And what do we do when we're we're in a panic? We're in a group, you know, we're in a crowd, and it's it's very volatile. You know, we go from zero to a hundred, and now all of a sudden everybody else goes to a hundred, and there's no stopping it. It spreads like wildfire.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

But you're saying that it started out peaceful. That may have been all of a that was all of a minute. That was all of a minute.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

I don't agree with you on that. Well, I don't agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

We can go back and and pull the footage, we can pull the time stamps, we can pull all of that stuff. Um, because it wasn't, Bobby, it wasn't at all.

Blame, Panic, And Crowd Psychology

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Can you but can you admit that the reaction and the actions of certain people in higher power continued to make that worse?

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Bobby, that we had people on the streets that were burning businesses down. We had people getting killed. We had people getting beat up because they were white. We had people who were being targeted because they were police officers just trying to do their jobs. So, no, I'm not gonna admit that. I think it's bullshit. I think it's bullshit when somebody acts that way. I do. I think that the the term nonviolent resistance has nothing to do with burning down a city. It has nothing to do with people hurting other people, damaging property. You wanna you wanna have a shit show in your own city? Fine. Let's put up a fence around you and let you let you tear the whole place apart. I don't give a shit. But when you start hurting other people and you start hurting somebody's property, and you start sending those people home and now they're unemployed because they don't have a business to even go to, that's bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Oh all right. So what do you think about the Rodney King protests and riots? Oh, for God's sakes. You know what? I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Well, we can okay let me give you let me give her a megaphone here. Go ahead. Oh, so I just want to say about Rodney King. Um, yeah, so I will not disagree with you on that, that that was very adverse from the police department. Very adverse. Is what I remember. So um And so so there was some fault. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

I and the thing is as a as a as a people, let's say the roles are reversed. Let's say that as a people, you you're I mean, let's just call it out. You're very white. You're very white. So as a people, let's say you act like that hurts me.

Nonviolence Versus Destruction

SPEAKER_01 13:49

It doesn't. I'm proud to be white, I'm proud of my heritage too, and I'm proud of everybody else's okay. You're ultra white. What? You're ultra white. I'm ultra white, yeah. You're toilet paper white. Stop it. Stop it. Yeah, you're like let's say let's say reverse. Let's say the roles were reverse.

Kneeling For The Anthem

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Let's say that the police have had a history of violence towards white people who have assemblies. Let's say people, you know, police have had the Rodney King incident, but Rodney King was white. Let's say police had the sit-ins and the Dr. King marches, but they were all white. So you're coming into this as a people, as someone who is proud of their heritage and wants to be supportive of their community, but police have a hundred-year track or more track record of being violent towards your people. You don't think that you're not gonna go in there defensive already wanting to be peaceful, but there is that the there's that tinder box, there's always that tinder box. And so what happens is is it could be the smallest thing. Like let's say a cop pushes a protester with their riot shield. They they should they shouldn't have, but they did. Now that set off the tinder box for everyone else in that place, and everyone else in that place has their phones out and is live streaming to other places. Now everyone who's in that community is seeing it and wants to come down and help because their people are under attack. Can you see how a peaceful protest, even with just one misstep, can turn into a tinder box? And I'm not saying rightfully so. I'm just giving a reason, not an excuse.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

It sounds like an excuse.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

It's not. I will say this.

Protest, Patriotism, And Respect

SPEAKER_01 15:52

I I don't disagree with you that our police force has a history, has had a history of probably whether, and and and and I'm not gonna say it's all blacks because it's not. It could be Mexicans, it could be young kids. Let's face it, you you kids are white too. You're not it's not like you're any well, you know, darker than I am. And the fact is, is as young kids, you were harassed by the police. You know, I remember somebody telling me one time that a black friend of mine, he said, Well, every you know, if I get pulled over, I'm I'm sitting there for 45 minutes while the cop checks everything else. Really? Me too. I don't get any exceptions here. I was there for 45 minutes too. You know, I think a lot of it has to do with um the fact that you can go into a situation very defensive. Um, you can look at history and just say, oh, this is automatically going to happen to me because, you know, I saw on the news that there was a negative encounter, and so I know this is gonna happen to me. And I think people go into these things with preconceived notions. I'm not saying that that the police, I'm not saying anybody did anything right. I'm saying that I think there's a big difference between nonviolent resistance that alone contains all forms of disapproval that can stay free of violence. I think it can.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

So, but I mean, we do see a lot of the nonviolent resistance, the nonviolent sit-ins, the nonviolent protests. We do see uh arrests and you know, maybe some police misconduct at the arrests, things like that, when there never should have been. Now, talking about nonviolent protests that really rouse people up, let's talk about a couple of those because I've already got you at a hundred here, and I can see uh Dr. Domain is kind of shaking his head here. Let's talk about what do you think about kneeling to the national anthem?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

I don't give a shit what you do. You want to kneel at the national anthem? I don't give a shit. But if you hate this country like that, maybe it's time to leave.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

You know, if you have to why do they have to hate the country to to have a peaceful, nonviolent? I don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Go ahead and kneel. I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

But but you said what a lot of people say that if you hate this country so much. No, it's not that I hate my country so much. I want my country to be the best. I want it to be equal for all. And if I choose a nonviolent protest, like as a football player, as an NFL player during the national anthem, I choose to kneel in front of millions of people to show that I am protesting what is something that is going on. Fine. Too many people come up, yeah. But too many people come up and say, well, then leave this country. Oh, get out of my country.

Flag Burning And Double Standards

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Listen, listen, when I say it, when I say it, and let me explain. When I say if you don't like the love our country, then get out. Because look how many people right now are really Bobby. You're you're not gonna sit here and convince me that we don't have violent resistance right now because we do. And when people are trying to get to work and you've got people who are are sitting in the middle of the street. Now you may say, Well, that's non-violent, they're just sitting. Well, that's illegal. It's illegal, yeah. And you know, when you have people who are disrespecting police officers and law enforcement, you know, I'm not saying they do everything right, but you have no business spitting in their face, you have no business trying to hit them. You have no business.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

I mean, come on, come on, this country, let's be honest, this country was built on violent protests. This country has had violent protests since we broke off from England. This country has had violent protests since day one. So it's not anything new to us. Do I think people should be blocking traffic, standing in the streets, blocking paramedics and things? Absolutely not. That is one thing that I am hardcore. Get the hell out of the way. Right, because I'm not slowing down, I'm not slowing down. Out of the street, you know, type of thing. But you know, if if someone wants to show their, I guess, disharmony with this country in a public manner, you know, I don't immediately think, get out of my country. I think, hey, what are we doing wrong that we need to look at from a higher point of view that these people are so upset that they will risk their careers, they will risk their lives in front of millions of people to show that something is wrong.

Property Rights And Free Speech

Voting, Labels, And Polarization

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Is that really why, or are they trying to get 15 minutes of fame? Don't just don't, because that's not why. Because you talk to some of these people and they have no clue why they're even out there. They have no clue what they're even against. They have no clue what's being passed and what's not being passed and who's passing what and when and why. So that's baloney. That's baloney right there. Because you don't, and and you can't have a conversation because you try to have a conversation and you ask any questions to see somebody else's point of view, and my God, you're a MAGA, or you know, you're a Trump supporter. And listen, I don't love Trump. I love my country. I love my country. You know, let's talk about the deportations real quick. And I'm not going to get into the specifics of that, but what I will say is this that if I was if I was so opposed to these deportations, the one thing that I would be doing is as a citizen of the United States, you have to ask yourself, why are these people not not coming through the legal way? And we know why, because it takes anywhere from five to twenty years to become a citizen in the United States. Now, if I was so opposed to these deportations, why aren't you advocating through your senators and through your representatives that we stop that? That we we make it so that people can actually come into our country legally in a timely manner, and it doesn't cost them$30,000,$40,000,$50,000 to do it because I don't have that kind of money, and neither do these people who are trying to seek a better life in the United States. I don't want these people coming into the United States illegally so that they can clean my bath and this came from the Democrats, clean my bathroom, pick my cotton, do my dirty work. I don't want them doing any of that. I don't want them doing that. You know what I want them to do? I want them to come into the country legally. I want to make it easier for them to come into the country, and I want them to be able to get an education legally, and I want to work for them. I want them to be bosses. I want them to be make it good here. I want them to raise the standard of living in the United States. That's what I want. And I don't understand why these people who are protesting it don't go to their senators and their representatives and say, hey, here's the reason why these people are coming in illegally. It's because you make it so freaking hard to get in here that they have no choice. That's what I'd be doing.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

That's a whole nother podcast right there.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

It is, it is, but it's not fair to these people. It's not fair. Do I want them here? Yeah, I want them here legally. I want them here legally. I want you to go through the process, but I don't want that process to take the time that it's taking, and no one is fighting that battle. That's what I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

So I have one more hardball for you.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Oh this is one you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Can you see how red my face is right now? I can. I can. And I am so glad that you are in Georgia right now because you would whoop my ass. So um flag burning.

Immigration Process And Protests

SPEAKER_01 23:37

I think it's very disrespectful. Uh is it your right? It is your right. And uh, you know, I I guess I would defend that right for them to be able to do it in the United States, just like smokers. I don't want you to be a smoker anymore, Bobby, but I'll defend your right to smoke at any given point, you know. Just don't do it in my house. And um, you know, I think it's a right that they fought for. I I and I hate to say that, but that's that's what freedom is all about. You have the freedom to do that. And I don't like it, but I think that they have the freedom to do it.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

See, here's here's the problem I have with it. Now, I am a hundred percent for freedom of speech. If that means flag burning, then by God, you bought that flag, burn it. It's a piece of cloth to me. I am not North Korean, I am not my heart and soul and body do not belong to a piece of cloth. Now, the people that usually have a problem with it, you'll go to their house and they'll have a flag hang hanging outside that is a bastardization of the United States of America flag. And what I mean by that is they'll have a flag with a thin blue line, they'll have a flag with a green line, they'll have a flag that is not the colors, not the, you know, anything to do with the American flag, but they're gonna make it their own. But by God, if you burn that American flag that you bought for$20 at Walmart, you're the problem with this country. I have a huge problem with that because how are we gonna bastardize a flag and make it into an icon that we put stickers on our cars of every different color and the freaking rainbow, but we can't have a flag that we bought with our own money and do whatever we want with it.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Well, Bobby, um, I I don't know that I want to admit this, but I actually don't disagree with you. So I'm I know, I know. I won't say that you're you're right. I'm just gonna say you're not wrong. How about that?

Common Ground On Nonviolence

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Um, you know, I get some I get some of the changes, you know, especially on the military uniforms when we have the sand camo things like that. It does need to be a different color on those patches in order to preserve the camouflage effect of the soldier. But yeah, I'm talking about, you know, they got these black and gold and silver flags with this big blue line going, I lick boots and I support law enforcement. Now, let me tell you, first of all, I support law enforcement to a certain degree. I don't I don't support the bad ones, I support the good ones. But when you have this giant black American flag hanging up with this giant stripe through it, and you're like, This is America, and if you don't like it, get off my lawn and you're not allowed to burn flags. I got a problem with that because, buddy, what are you doing?

De-escalation, Helpers, And Closing

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Yeah, you know, you're no, yeah, I I I totally agree with you because the stars and stripes, uh, the colors and the entire flag itself represents something in our country. And I I but I do agree that you know the people who fought and died for that right, you know, they gave you the right to to do what you want with that. And whether I agree or disagree, and how I feel about it is is how I feel about it. And that's my opinion, right? That's my opinion, and that's my thoughts. That may not be your thoughts. And so I I would defend the right to do what you wanted to do. Now, I agree with you. There's a lot of flags out there, and you go, or they're tattered. Or, you know, I mean, mine is out, I'm out in the country, and mine gets hit hard. And Dr. Domain is very adamant about, you know, taking the flag down and getting a new flag up. And I don't, I can't even tell you, I don't even know how many times he's pulled over either on the side of the road or he's seen a flag that is, you know, laying on the ground or you know, wrapped up in something and he'll stop and he'll straighten it out. Now that's you know, that's pride. And I'm okay, I'm good with that. I'm very proud of my country. I'm very proud of the people who, you know, fought and died and and and lived, um, and the families that had to support these people to keep us where we're at as the nation that we are. But I I'm with you. I I would I don't like it. Uh, I don't like the way the flag is treated. And then, like you said, you go home and you've got this piece of crap that you're you know waving. And it's like, wait a minute, you just disrespected the flag as much as you know, somebody who burned it.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Right. And that and honestly, that goes for any flag that you have. You know, if you if you own something, that's yours, do with it what you will, that's your right. But don't go on someone else's property and grab a flag because you don't agree with it and burn it or destroy it or steal it or damage it in any way, right? Like, you know, and that was big with the LGBTQ community. You know, people were going up and stealing these flags, and even with the Trump flags. Now, I'm not saying I support Trump or not, but you're not gonna go on someone else's property, destroy their property, and call it freedom of speech. That's not how this works. That's not how it works at all.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

I think everybody has the right to vote for who they want to in this country. I don't hold it against you. I think we were we we fought for that right. And, you know, I don't know who you voted for if you even voted. Um I do. Okay, but I don't know who you voted for. And you know what? That's your right as an American. And you and I don't fight about that because whoever wins, you know what, it's four years. Um, let's calm down, folks. Let's just calm on down because it's four years.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

We don't talk about it. And we don't talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

And you know, I have friends that are on both sides of the coin, and we just really do not, I don't know who they voted for. We don't talk about it. You know why we're not political pawns. We just are not, and um, but I I I think we both agree on nonviolent resistance. Um, I am I am definitely not for any of the violence that I'm seeing right now, you know, where people are coming up and attacking other people or taking these megaphones and blowing it in your ear, you're gonna bust somebody's eardrum, or attacking our police officers. I understand you disagree. Disagree. You don't need to spit in their face to disagree.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

And yeah, and I and I will say, you know, I I'm kind of I'm kind of two-sided about it. I I believe in a hundred percent peaceful demonstration, protests, sit-ins, things like that. But if someone threatens my safety, my body, my life, boy, I'm fighting like it's I'm the last monkey on Noah's Ark's ramp and it's starting to rain, buddy. Because I mean, all bets are off when that happens. And if I have to burn it to the ground to, you know, save my people, I will. But you know, when it when it comes down to it, I absolutely believe in our right to a peaceful protest. What I don't believe in is the people who want to set parameters to these that are not neutral, that are, you know, kind of hush-hushing everything. Let these people sit, let these people speak, let these people be peaceful. Let's, you know, let's start doing what we need to do because the more people who see it, the more people who understand what's going on, it gets them talk and it says, Hey, what can I do to help? What are you fighting for? Why do you think this is wrong? And I think it does open lines of communication when it stays peaceful, it's when it immediately turns hateful and violent and things like that that we have an issue because then there is no talk. There's no talk in this. Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Now it's just hate and spewing all kinds of venom at each other, and that gets us nowhere. And and like I said, and I want people to come to our country, but I want them to come here legally. But folks, if you want to fight a fight, let's fight the fight of what makes sense. And it doesn't make sense to take 20 years to let somebody come to our country. It doesn't make sense for them to pay$20,000 to$50,000 to get their citizenship. If they're good, solid people and they're coming into the country and they want to do it legally for whatever reason, to make a better life or their families or whatever that reason is. For goodness sakes, let's attack that issue instead of attacking each other. That's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Absolutely. And you know what, mom? Uh I took you from zero to a hundred and then back down again.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Oh, look at you being the psychologist that you are, not but yeah, it does get me wired. It really does, because uh, you know, I just I I don't hate anybody for their opinion. I don't I don't hate anybody for who they voted for. It's four years. Get over yourself, and you know, I you know a lot can happen in four years. I get it, but yeah, stop being a political pawn, people. They don't know you from Adam. Come on, live your life, go home to your family. You know, you can you can stand your ground without being nasty about it, you know. So that's where I stand, Bobby.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Yep, and I I will say these parting words. If you are at a peaceful protest, if you are, you know, at a sit-in, things like that, and things turn wrong, look for the helpers. If you don't see them, become one. That's all the insanity and uh ralling up of my mother that I have for today.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

I didn't see that one coming either.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

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SPEAKER_01 34:21

Did we get this?