A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a Mother and Daughter questioning “Are we even related?”
A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
From Polio Scars To Parent Choice: Vaccines, Schools, And Risk S:2E:27
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What happens when personal choice meets a hallway full of kids? We take on the push to remove vaccine requirements for public schools and follow the question wherever it leads: from polio scars and school nurse lines to modern data on measles, HPV, and mRNA. Along the way, we compare the backbone of childhood immunizations—MMR, polio, DTaP, Hib, and varicella—with the messy reality of exemptions, access, and trust. This isn’t a shouting match; it’s a grounded look at risk, benefit, and what we owe each other in shared spaces.
By the end, we map out a pragmatic middle ground: maintain core protections for high-consequence, highly contagious diseases in schools; preserve clear medical and narrowly defined religious exemptions; ensure vaccines are easy to access and no-cost; and commit to transparent reporting when rare harms occur. It’s a conversation built on stories and stats, skepticism and goodwill, with a simple goal: safer classrooms and informed parents.
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Welcome everyone to today's comments and welcome to the vlog. As our listener will experience some wit wisdom, some smart asteries, and a mother and a daughter questioning, are we even related? My name is Bobby Joy, and my co-host is my mom Jane, and we're here to hopefully inform and entertain today. Mom, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_02Inform? Oh my goodness. I better get some cheat sheets out here real quick.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know, I'll I'll start out by saying, you know, the the prefunctory, we are not professionals, we are not doctors, we are not lawyers, we are uh not experts in any way.
SPEAKER_02I'm a doctor. Oh yeah, we have a doctor domain in the house, but Dr.
SPEAKER_01Longfinger.
SPEAKER_02We are just two weirdos who got a hold of some microphones and equipment, and voila, here we are. So yeah, how's things going with you, Bob?
SPEAKER_03Not too bad, but hey, listen, we do try to do our due diligence with some research. I mean, we're not just pulling numbers out of our butts here.
SPEAKER_02No, and we encourage everybody when we talk about a topic, we would encourage everybody to go look this stuff up. And you know, you're always gonna find conflicting information, right? I mean, sometimes it's not up to date, and then it becomes up to date, and then there's a change, and you know, you kind of go, Oh, well, this wasn't the way it was.
SPEAKER_03Well, it was when we looked it up, and so you know, it's it it's just a a moving target, and uh some people just use Wikipedia, which I can go in and edit Wikipedia, so that's not really a great source for a lot of things, right?
SPEAKER_02And so, you know, a lot of times we are looking up the actual documents, which takes us a little bit of time, and then I go my eyes get glazed over when I'm reading that information because you know my attention span is about, oh, I don't know, I would say a quarter of an inch. That's about it. That's a quarter of an inch.
SPEAKER_03I like how you did it by like measurement and time.
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SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a quarter of an inch. That's uh all I got. Anyway, so uh what do you want to talk about today, Bobby? I know what you want to talk about.
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SPEAKER_03Yeah, so uh here in Iowa, there has been some some uh happenings in in the legislation of uh schools, and I I want to talk about it a little bit because it brings up uh some good points, and that is about they are wanting to get rid of the vaccine requirements for school-aged children.
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SPEAKER_02So the vaccine war goes on forever. I know it's been going on for for a really long time. So backing up to you know, when I was a kid, which let me think here, I'm not sure I can remember any of that part, but I still have a circle on my arm from my polio shot, you know. And do you, Dr. Domain, do you have a circle on your arm from that?
SPEAKER_01No, no, it's way before my time.
Iowa Bill: Ending School Requirements
SPEAKER_02Oh you smart ass. Um, I have a circle on my arm from a polio shot. And they used to give those to us in in school. And if you ever look at any of the documentaries about the polio shots, and they're in black and white, of course, because color wasn't available at that time, that gun that they used, that needle that they used, looks like an AK-47. I'm not it it's huge, it's massive, and they stuck that into little kids' arms.
SPEAKER_03And I mean, they when you know, I I'm not sure about Dr. Domain, but I do remember uh down in Fort McCullough and they would line us up for our uh immunizations when we got to basic training, and it it did, it looked like a handheld gun, and it would shoot us with multiple vaccines at the same time.
SPEAKER_02That's crazy. It's crazy. Man, that thing hurt, and I remember it swelling up. And then you know what else we had to get was TB tests, tuberculosis tests. Did you?
SPEAKER_03I just had to I just had to have one.
SPEAKER_02Well, you had to have it for your work, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But when we were kids, Dr. Domains, don't tell me that you didn't have a TB test in school, in grade school.
SPEAKER_00That was before my time.
SPEAKER_03See, when you date younger, you have to you have to realize that they didn't have to go through these things.
Vaccine Memories And School Lines
SPEAKER_02You guys probably had little Scooby-doo band-aids and everything too. We didn't, we had to bleed out. So that's where that's uh that's uh decades that I came from. So the generation I came from, we were tough. We had to bleed out, go home, and our parents would go walk it off. It's far enough away from your heart. Um so uh yeah, so the vaccines, you know, obviously the vaccines worldwide have been touted as, you know, one of the most successful advances in in what they had called modern medicine at the time. Um, yet there are a lot of people who are choosing not to vaccinate their children because of the possible side effects. And I don't have any school-aged children anymore, so I really don't get into this, but you do. And so you're hearing different perspectives, and I think everybody needs to really just read up about the benefits and the risks associated with vaccines because I'm not taking a side. Um, you know, I uh I I will say when it came to COVID, I did take a side and I chose, you know, at first I had the first shot, and then after that I went, what the hell are the is the government doing to us? And uh I did not have any boosters, and that was my choice. And I remember people saying, Well, we don't want you to come over to our house if you didn't have boosters. That's your choice. That's wonderful, you know, that's what America is all about, right? And it was my choice not to uh have the booster. So I'm not really all for just plugging our kids with stuff.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and and do you know the the common ones for school age kids? I mean, I know you don't have any now, but you know, we did get our vaccines when we were little kids. And do you remember the ones that we got?
SPEAKER_02So you got measles, you got polio, because it was still being given to you, um tetanus, you got diphtheria. I don't even know what diphtheria is. What is diphtheria? Dr. Domain, you're a doctor. What's what's diphtheria? Um is it uh pertusis? Is that whooping cough?
SPEAKER_01It's right next to diarrhea in the dictionary, somewhere along there. I'm not sure what it does, so maybe it's like it's a serious bacterial infection.
SPEAKER_02That's all I know.
SPEAKER_01I'm not in a malaria, maybe. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02No, we're not malaria. We've not known that. So okay, so but also wait a minute, you had hepatitis B too. Okay, yep. And I don't know what else they give today.
SPEAKER_01Shot for the hib or something. I don't know what they do.
SPEAKER_03So the the common ones uh today, or I should say the core ones that the CDC recommends are diphtheria, tetanus, protussis, which is whooping cough, hib, what is hib? H I B.
SPEAKER_02Oh, she's gotta look it up because it caught her off. I do. Caught her with her pants down, give me show it in her blood.
SPEAKER_03It's the hemiophilia hemiophilious influenza type B bacteria. So it's kind of like meningitis and pneumonia.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay. So childhood meningitis really is a thing, and I remember some people having spinal meningitis when I was younger. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, and then the pneumococcal conjug conjunctive. I'm gonna slaughter these things.
SPEAKER_02Pneumococcal pneumonia, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yep. So the polio, the measles, the mumps, and the rubella, which they usually give, it's called an MMR vaccine now because they give them all at once in that. Um, and Varicella, and one that they have now recommended, which I we actually have some uh horrific uh experience.
SPEAKER_02We have experience with it.
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SPEAKER_03Yeah, is the HPV vaccine, which is the one that um for a uh HPV, the human papiovella virus. Yeah. Um which is uh could be a precursor to cancer. Okay, and so those are the base ones that they want kids to get, you know, throughout their childhood.
SPEAKER_02So the HPV, I want to talk about that because you do have some experience with it because you did start your oldest daughter on it initially, correct?
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SPEAKER_03Correct. Um, so we I should say I I when she turned, I believe she was 11. Uh, and this thing, you know, it just had started coming out, and the doctors were like, Yeah, you know, we want you to go ahead and get this. And I thought, that is a great idea. Let let's let's prevent a cancer, you know, before it happens. And so I took my oldest daughter in and we got the shot. And by the next day, it was almost like she had the flu. And I was like, Yeah, you know, when it when you get vaccines, sometimes you feel really crappy the next day. And so I kept her home from school and it it kind of went downhill from there. By the second day, um, she couldn't, she couldn't barely walk. Um, she had actually lost the ability, the the physical ability to control her her legs and to support herself with her own legs. And so, you know, I was worried and I took her back to the doctor and and they did so they did a little research on it and found out that this was actually a a serious side effect that wasn't very common, but it did happen.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So it's not it, it's not something that is prevalent with that particular vaccination. It's just something that happened with her.
SPEAKER_03Well, yeah, but it was that specific vaccination. Okay. Um it was one of the one of the um more rarer side effects of that specific vaccination. And it was it was just something that happened to her.
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SPEAKER_02So do you feel like um parents should have the right to make that decision for their kids? I mean, they are going off to school, they are intermingling with other children, and um do you think that that should be a government requirement or what's your position on it?
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm I'm kind of split on it because you know, I'm at I'm I'm of the school of government needs to stay the hell out of my business um and let me parent my children. But at the same time, you have hundreds, sometimes thousands of children in one building. Any parent that know that has school-aged children knows that they are a cesspool for you know, flus and colds and anything that can be transmitted, they transmit because I mean it's just like a petri dish of these little germs walking around.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_03And and it is more prevalent in the schools because they are so there are so many kids so close together for such an extended period of time. So I think it is my belief that the basic vaccines should be given unless there is a medical or religious reason, which is what we have right now. There are medical and religious exemptions that are allowed. Um, but do I think that they should completely say, no, you know, none of these kids are required? No, absolutely not. I I and I know this sounds really mean. I have a lot of great parent friends out there that that are really great parents, but not everybody's a great parent. And I if I can't trust them to be a great parent, you know, for normal things, how am I gonna trust them to keep their kid home if they develop measle symptoms? Especially with the the tardy rules that they have now, right?
SPEAKER_02And which are very, very strict and and can really get your kid into hot water if they actually legitimately miss school and are sick. It's like not enough days are given. But nevertheless, I think that's a different topic. But so, Dr. Domain, did you get any type of inoculations while you were in school, or were yours all done privately by a doctor?
SPEAKER_00They were done by a doctor and when I enlisted the government.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah. Okay, so you were in the service, so you got yours. You got yours.
SPEAKER_00Yes, I did.
SPEAKER_03Hey, Dr. Domain, did you get the anthrax vaccination? Were you in in that in that period? No, I did.
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SPEAKER_02So um when I was in school, when I was in school, which was apparently decades before Dr. Domain. So I must have, you know, he you'd think he's 21 based on the way that he talks. He's not not even remotely close. Uh, but when I was in school, that's really where I got all my shots because my parents, first of all, we were super poor, and I mean poor. And we didn't, we didn't go to the doctor. You broke your arm, put some rubbing alcohol on it. You know, you got pneumonia, go get the VIX. And we did not go to the doctor. And so all of the shots that I got were in school. Now, today they don't they don't give the vaccinations in school, is that correct? None. Right. They're they're not your own personal doctor. Yeah. And you kind of want to look back and go, hey, I don't even know if my teachers were qualified to hold that gun. Now it was a nurse.
SPEAKER_03Okay, the one that hands out the brown paper towel if you have a fever. Yeah. Okay.
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SPEAKER_02Yeah. That's that's who it was. It was a school nurse. But uh, I do want to go to kind of a global effect here and how this hits us globally because not all countries require the vaccinations. Ours do not. Uh, there are exemptions, right? There's exceptions. And not all countries require that to happen. So I really kind of focused on like measles and polio. And I wanted to know which, you know, do all countries require or legally mandate the polio vaccine? And the answer is no, they don't. Um, many companies or companies, they might as well be, yeah. Many countries, uh, like Belgium, they'll mandate it for children, you know, the and and that sort of thing. But specifically, the World Health Organization and CDC, they recommend that you do that, but not all countries do it. Now, so here where's the problem? Well, you think about how many cases of polio we have had, and I had to look that up too. How many break, you know, how many cases over the past 10 years is what I looked up to see how many, how many were in the United States. And the polio cases dropped from 416, which is what the wild virus, because that's really all that exists now, in 2013 to just 2000, or excuse me, to just six in 2021. The transmission of the cases that they had were primarily in Pakistan and Afghanistan. It is almost eradicated. So we know that right. And and I mean, based on their most current information. And so now you're seeing some cases, and people go, Well, how can that be when we have a requirement for polio? Uh, it's kind of a requirement, kind of not. And you have to remember we have people coming into this country where their countries do not require these.
SPEAKER_03Well, and we have people going to other countries, and polio is very like it's highly contagious. Right. So the the transmission of it is very easy. And you could have somebody that could just be a carrier and have it, you know, on themselves or on something that they have in their possession, and it comes in contact, say at an airport with someone that does not have that inoculation done, and now they have polio.
SPEAKER_02And when we had the COVID epidemic going on, uh, we were not able to leave the United States or even travel without our papers, right?
SPEAKER_03Right.
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SPEAKER_02And so we could not get on a plane without having some type of paper showing that you at least had the first shot. I was traveling during that time period, and it was the best time to travel because there were four people in the airport and two on the plane. And I was like, man, this is great. I can sit wherever I want, nobody's breathing on me, I don't have to worry about anything. But uh conversely, you know, if we look at the measle cases, those have actually gone up. Uh and in 2023, there were like 10.3 million infections in 2023. And that outbreak has risen based on 2025 stats. So we know that you know, we we were almost to a point of eradication on that, or having it. I won't say eradication. I don't have a position on on the vaccines. I do see the benefit of measles and polio. I do see that. Anything outside of that, I think it's up to the parents to make that decision. I don't think it's up to our federal government to make that decision or our health uh organization to make it. That's where I stand.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and and you know, now they're wanting to do well, I should say before, because Iowa, like I said, is is trying to make it so that these these kids don't have to have any immunizations in order to go to a public school. And at one point, you know, they were really pushing like the flu vaccine, which my children can't get, um, because we have adverse reactions to it to the point of hospitalization. They were pushing that and then they kind of backed off on it. And I was like, okay, well, then the COVID thing came around and I did get the COVID shot. We did talk in a previous episode about this. I did get the COVID shot because it was necessary for me to work in order to pay my bills. And in order to work, I had to get the COVID shot. Now I was stupid, and I actually, in the first wave of vaccinations, I actually got the Johnson and Johnson shot, which was the one shot and you're done. No booster needed. And I think three weeks after I got the shot, they pulled it from the American uh population due to uh vaccine injuries.
SPEAKER_02Wasn't it didn't it have something to do with the metallics or something that were in it? I don't remember why it was pulled.
SPEAKER_03Um it was it it basically had a lot of problems with uh vascular. So a lot of people were developing like uh blood clots and aneurysms and things like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and they still are. They still are, as a matter of fact, I I went to my doc last year and I remember her saying that there are a lot of post-COVID cases because of the because of the vaccines. I had the Pfizer, I guess it was, but again, I didn't get the boosters. I just got the first one and went, mm, you know, case raw serra. Do you get the flu shot?
SPEAKER_03No, I'll tell a little story. Down when we lived in Texas, um my middle daughter was getting ready to go to Head Start, and I thought, you know, we were having really bad cases of the flu. And I said, you know what, let me go ahead and get her a flu shot. Uh I had had a bad adverse reaction to it in the past, but I thought, you know, my kids are different, they'll be fine. Um, she actually ended up under an oxygen tank in the ICU for three days down in Texas uh because of an adverse reaction to the flu shot. And I think she was like four or five years old when that happened.
SPEAKER_02So polio, I and I want to go back to polio here. Did you know that the polio vaccines, which you know I know they want to make totally mandatory, and the measles, they're not covered by the government. And I I guess I feel like if you're gonna make it mandatory, that you should pay for it. Who's making it mandatory? They're talking advocates are saying they want it mandatory. Oh and that even though it is strictly routine right now, the majority of people do have the do have the shots done, but the polio vaccine can cost anywhere from like forty to eighty-six dollars a uh dose.
SPEAKER_01And you know that would never happen. What making that mandatory?
SPEAKER_02They made COVID vaccines mandatory. Kind of yeah, they did. A lot of people weren't able to leave your house. Really? So how many people got fired and how many people got dismissed because they didn't know? That was mandatory, but it wasn't mandatory. Well, true, it was a company policy, you know. Uh measles and polio, I kinda kinda got Me going on that one, yeah, because that that did show a big difference, but the rest of them, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Well, let's let's talk a little bit about um you know what we had alluded to. The do you know what the VICP is? No, so it's the vaccine injury compensation program. Um it's a program that of course is national, so it's it's in the United States. And did you know that as of no this is November 2024? So this is about almost two years old, but there are five billion doses of covered vaccines that were administered between 2006 and 2022. Now, this is their data, so take it with a grain of salt, but only one in one million of those doses resulted in a compensated injury, meaning like a life-altering or a death-causing injury. And they actually do keep track of these pretty well. Um, they receive about 30,000 reports of vaccine injury annually, so every year. Uh it sounds like a lot, but only 10 to 15 percent of those are classified as serious, which means life-threatening hospitalization or permanent disability. Wow. Now on the other side of that, the COVID COVID-19 vaccine vaccine injuries, sorry. Um, so a 2025 study found that myocarditis, and that's you know, with your heart, occurs in about one in a hundred and forty thousand cases after the first dose, but it rises to one in about 32,000 cases after the second dose.
SPEAKER_02Holy cow! No wonder we're seeing so many issues. I mean, there were a lot of people lined up take second, third, second and third boosters, right?
SPEAKER_03And and a lot of people are like, you know, we we even talked about this before. The COVID COVID-19 vaccine came out so fast. I mean, you know, these other vaccines that they came out, but they had years of research behind them. And of course, like now not so back then it was, you know, considered normal, but now it's like not ethical to test them how they tested them back then. So we can't just, you know, pump a hundred thousand people full of an unknown vaccine and see what happens type of thing. Um, but the COVID vaccine, it came out so fast, and there was just not a lot of research backing it. And they said, well, you know, it's okay because it's what's called an mRNA vaccine. And what an mRNA vaccine, how that's different, is it uses a genetic code to tell the body the cells that need to produce for the immune system. So basically it's called a plug-and-play vaccine. So you just plug in, you know, the newest virus that's going around and you shoot it in somebody's body, and then their cells go, Oh, this is this is what we need to watch out for. Well, you know, in rushing all of that, they they really didn't have the research because so let's take the polio vaccine, for example. So the polio vaccine, it had the research, and then so it started out, I believe, with 10 patients. And then after those 10 patients were done, they said, okay, here's the effects we got from 10 people. Now we're gonna do a thousand people. Okay, after so long, a thousand people. Well, now we're gonna try it on 10,000 people, right? The mRNA vaccines, they're not required to do that because they have the grandfathered clause that we've talked about in the FDA episode. Right. And so they actually ran their tests concurrently, not one after the other. So while these first 10 people got their vaccine, so did the next thousand at the same time, right?
SPEAKER_02So you can't ever see what the results are and then take action based on those results, right? So there were no modifications during that time period, right?
SPEAKER_03And and they did that because it was a global pandemic, everybody was getting sick, everybody was scared. You know, the FDA said, Yeah, you know, it's an mRNA vaccine. We we know what this is, go ahead and pump it out to to the masses, it's fine. Yeah, well, yeah, they they screwed us with that one. I'm gonna tell you right now, they screwed us with that one.
SPEAKER_02Well, I would say I would like to hear from our listeners on what their thoughts are as it relates to the vaccines. I know some parents have been totally appalled by other parents who are not vaccinating their children. And there then I I've heard some other parents say, I I think it's every individual choice. And I would really like to hear what our listeners have to say. Um, you know, as for the um COVID, you know, the results of that is we now know that there's a reversal drug on the market, right? So they're trying to get all of those um chemicals, I will say, um, for a better word, out of your system. And there's even some over-the-counter vitamins that you can take to help get that stuff out of your system because it's so bad. And and it you're right, it continues to cause heart failure, it continues to cause blood clots, and people don't really relate it when they have blood clots and stuff now, or they have heart conditions. And I I will tell you, you know, I like I said, my doctor made the comment last year and it was like, oh my gosh, you know, I never really thought about that, it being post-COVID related. So anyway, um, yeah, we don't I don't really have a another position. And I guess what's your position then, Bobby?
SPEAKER_03Hey, uh honestly, if you're gonna send your kid to a room packed with you know, two dozen other students for their safety and for them other kids' safety, I say get the basics. These are these are vaccines that have hundreds, you know, of years of hey, speaking of that, I'm gonna say this. Did you know when um the smallpox first started getting like people tried to vaccinate themselves against smallpox? Do you know what year that was?
SPEAKER_02No, but I know that we infected the indigenous people with it. So that's what killed off some a lot of the tribes, right?
SPEAKER_03But in the 1100s, people were using live, what they call the the live vaccine. But what they were doing is they were using dried scab material from people who had smallpox, and they were trying to inoculate themselves with it so that they just got that tiny dose of it so their body could fight off the infection. 1100 that grosses me out. It is gross, it is pretty gross, but at the same time, you when we were kids, we went to chicken pox parties. What the fuck was that?
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, I've never heard of such a thing. Chicken pox parties? No, yeah, where you have one kid.
SPEAKER_01How come you never heard of that?
SPEAKER_03No, are you kidding me? One kid got chicken pox, all the other parents brought them over to play so they could play.
SPEAKER_02Oh yes, yeah, we can't. Yes, yes. I thought you I'm sitting here going, What the hell is a chicken pox party? I think you're I I think you're watching.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I had chicken pox so bad. I I still remember it, and I think I was only what like three or four years old when I got chicken pox.
SPEAKER_02Hey, I carry my scars on my face from my chicken pox. So, you know, I got them really bad too.
SPEAKER_03So anyway, I mean, I'm saying, you know, it it's up to you guys ultimately. Do your research. You know, a lot of people are worried about vaccines causing autism and things like that. Look, it it is autism so I'm not saying give your kid autism, but I'm saying is autism so bad versus polio? Like, let's be real here.
SPEAKER_02Come on now.
SPEAKER_03Well, and use use your common sense, use your motherly wisdom or your fatherly wisdom and do what's best for your kid.
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SPEAKER_02Yeah, I agree with you. And I think uh, you know, you started this whole podcast off with we are not doctors and we are not scientists, we're just two people with microphones. So look it up, folks. Look up the information. That's what we do. We get enough information just to be dangerous. But we appreciate you joining us here at the Rabbit Run Studio. Um, please be sure to follow us. We love spending time with you. Please like us, share us, and if you have positive feedback or if you have a topic you'd like us to talk about, drop us a short email at boomerandgenxer at gmail.com. If you have hate mail, where's that going? We don't know. Where's that going, Bobby?
SPEAKER_03I mean, you could put it in one of those little jars with the smallpox scab, and maybe we'll find out we could put it in a petri dish and see what comes of it.
SPEAKER_02So, um, anyway, until next week, I'm Jane Burke. And I'm Bobby Joy. And you're stuck with us. Peace out.
SPEAKER_03Later.