Humans of Padel
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Humans of Padel
Pol Viera's Padel Art Journey and Career Shift to Real Estate
What happens when a journey on the padel court leads to new horizons? Join me as we celebrate the remarkable story of Pol Viera, who transitioned from coaching in Stratford to becoming an integral part of Padel Art in Dubai. Pol shares his initial fears and excitement about moving to the Middle East, detailing the unexpected opportunity that led him to this vibrant city. From his first impressions of Dubai’s breathtaking skyline to the warmth of its people, Pol’s reflections paint a vivid picture of cultural contrasts and personal growth. We reminisce about his invaluable contributions over the past two years and the sense of community that made Padel Art feel like home.
Our conversation takes a turn towards transformation and new beginnings as Pol embarks on a career in real estate. We discuss the initial challenges faced while establishing Paddle Art and the essential human touch that kept the club thriving. The narrative unfolds with heartfelt anecdotes about the supportive relationships and events that fostered a unique sense of belonging. We explore the courage it takes to embrace new opportunities, as Pol seeks fresh challenges without economic limits, and express gratitude for the friendships built along the way.
Amidst all the change, the bond with Padel Art remains strong, reflecting on shared passions and future aspirations. Together with my co-host, we delve into personal stories of rediscovering a love for padel, highlighting the importance of childhood interests in shaping our professional paths. As we toast to Pol's new adventure, there's a hopeful anticipation for the future—dreaming of selling villas, reconnecting over the game, and perhaps even a new car on the horizon. This is a celebration of friendship, growth, and the journeys that make life so enriching.
Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Humans of Paddle. I'm your host, max. In this episode, I'm joined by a very good friend of mine, paul Vieira. He was one of the first people I employed at Paddle Art as a paddle coach, and he became our operations manager. In this episode, we go back on everything that we've achieved together over the past two years and we also look forward into his future as he decides to change his career into real estate. It's an episode filled with laughter. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Cheers, cheers. So two great years together, thank you. Thank you, paul. We're going to miss you. This is the last chance that I have to do this podcast with you, as you're leaving us After two amazing years together. Let's go back in time a little bit.
Speaker 2:What brought you to Dubai. Yeah, that was a good opportunity that he came to me, since I was in London and I was working there for a year Shout out to London people, stratford. So, yeah, I was having a good year there. I joined in a paddle club in Stratford it was my beginning as a full-time coach there and so after a solid year working, it reached a point where it was summer and I had the opportunity because one person came to the club and luckily, well, fortunately for me he was living in Dubai. So we we engaged a good relationship during those days that he was training with me and, and you know, he he said maybe there is a chance that you might, you might get a job position in Dubai. By that time I already got offered to come to Qatar, but for me I didn't know anything about the Middle East, so I wasn't sure, because you know, as a European, the thoughts about how Middle East is going to be a little bit.
Speaker 1:What did you think it would be like?
Speaker 2:I don't know, because you see all these pictures, you know where. It's, just like huge buildings, you know, and skyscrapers, but at the same time it's in the desert, right. So you don't really, you cannot really picture, especially in a society that you haven't dealt with, which I positively had a good impression about UAE people. You think maybe they're going to be like close, yeah, they won't be as open as they are and generous and kind. So you're a little bit scared as a european because, uh, in europe, you know, in london especially, everyone is so open-minded and and yeah. So so, yeah, after I I spoke with with that person after some months, uh, he, we had a few interviews and and I was decided to move, I had enough rain for for years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can imagine in the uk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were coaching outdoors in the uk so the facility had four courts when when I joined, and then we extended to one more indoor and another one outdoor, that eventually got covered. But yeah, sometimes I had to coach outdoors rarely, of course, because the weather is raining, but that was more like at the end of my journey there in London where we had the outdoor court. It was mainly indoor. It was very successful. To be honest, I was very happy there with the treat that Javi and Anka gave to me, which they were like the owners of the place. But as soon as the offer came, I felt like it was a train that you had to catch, so I just said let's do it.
Speaker 1:So how did you feel when you're on the flight? You were flying from the UK or you were flying from Spain.
Speaker 2:So I flew from the UK to Spain, then I spent a week there and immediately after I came and I joined because they needed me.
Speaker 1:So on that flight from Spain to Dubai, what was going through your mind?
Speaker 2:Funny thing, like I never was in an Emirates plane. So the first thing you know, as soon as you enter the aircraft, I I see in the business class and I was like, wow, you know, like that's amazing. I didn't know, obviously. But then they told me, yeah, you keep walking in the back row. So, yeah, I was excited, it was a little bit more impressive. I'll say Well, not impressive, but I wasn't really sure where I was excited, it was a little bit more impressive. I'll say Well, not impressive, but I wasn't really sure where I was.
Speaker 2:As soon as I got in the taxi and they drove me to the facility, because it was like 30 minutes away from the airport and you know, all the way through Sheikh Zayed Road and it was night times and it was like the road was empty. I could only see like lights and like tall buildings. You know, like I was passing right next to the museum of uh of the future and I was thinking like like where am I? You know, like this is so strange, you know new, new type of uh of city. So I remember going to sleep, thinking like, okay, let's's see how it goes on the next days.
Speaker 1:This was what 2021?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was one year after COVID. Yeah, so that was June 2021.
Speaker 1:In the middle of summer In the middle of summer exactly.
Speaker 2:I knew that it was going to be hot. So as soon as the gates of the airport opened, the heat just hit me in the face. I was just staring like upwards, thinking like there's something wrong here with the ACO. It was weird.
Speaker 1:And you were coaching outdoors as well at the time. So that's quite a big culture shock from Stratford to Dubai, Exactly. And then I remember having the conversation with you in 2022. It would have been about May when I got hired to actually open Paddle Art. You were the first person that came to mind that I wanted to bring on to the team with me because we built a relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'd known you when you were in Paddle Pro. I was in Paddle Park. Yeah, we were playing.
Speaker 2:during those last months we were playing games in Paddle Pro. Yeah, in One Central we were playing quite regularly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so obviously I wanted to bring you to the team because obviously you speak good English, you're presentable, you understand well. It's getting there Better than most. I mean the bar's not very high for paddle coaches English in the UAE anyway, straight straight right. Bandeja. Yeah, at least you had that and you understand that it is also customer service and how to treat people, etc. So you were the first employee to have been hired by Paddle Arts.
Speaker 2:Thank you for thinking about me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we didn't open when we planned. You know we had our struggles, as everyone does, with construction in Dubai. We were supposed to open in June.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember I was on holiday and then I was like I think I came back on July late.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were like, oh, should I, can I stay a bit longer?
Speaker 2:on holiday for two weeks and you said no, yeah, I remember that we ended up opening four months after that exactly yeah my bad.
Speaker 1:And then we opened november 22. How's that journey been for you with paddle art, since we opened the doors november 12 2022 until now?
Speaker 2:overall it's been like for me, amazing, like no, I can. I can say like I have no complaints. Like after two years, everything has been great. I think we've done a very good job. You can tell now if we compare ourselves from where we started to where we are right now. We I think we're settling in a good position in the within the competition and so, yeah, it's been very good.
Speaker 2:I've worked here happily every day. I didn't even think about how many hours I had to spend at the club. If I had to spend them, because I feel like it's like my second home or my first home Probably, I spend more hours here than at home because I like it. You told me once I remember you told me yeah, I'm spending hours here at the club, but I'm happy to be here, so it doesn't even feel like work. As I was saying, overall very positive experience. We are a family. The support we got from the owners too this is something like super relevant for me. At the end of the day, they made you feel like you are part of the, of the team, and they are always supportive. No negative feedback at all.
Speaker 1:It basically keeps your momentum going on and on and on, because yeah, the amount of trust that they put in us, um, I mean especially it was you and me at the beginning, plus, marina the amount of trust that they put in us, in this beautiful facility and the amount of money they spent to build the facility, and the first few months were not easy no I mean, uh, I remember when we opened november, the first two, three months, it was only us playing literally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean we, we didn't even fill the courts at peak time.
Speaker 2:You know, we had maybe four bookings a day yeah so and the patience they had with us and the trust they put in us, which is, for me, is the biggest reason to the success of paddle up but how do, how do you think we would, and also the job you did at the beginning, the job we all did at the beginning, but your ideas on reinvesting money, or just like potentially doing things easier for people to come and to enjoy the facilities and also, as I said, the owners to, to add, for example, this private court, that it wasn't from the beginning. You know, then, everything, the cafe you know to, to dedicate time over it and have new ideas like now they the what's coming. You know and you cannot say no.
Speaker 1:What's coming.
Speaker 2:Oh, the tennis yeah.
Speaker 1:That's not a secret. Okay, I was like what's coming, I don't know about it. You know the word the water park. You know, yeah, the two tennis courts that are coming. I mean, that's something that I often tell people is, yeah, you spend a lot of money building a facility, but it doesn't stop there you need to keep spending.
Speaker 1:Obviously, hopefully money is coming in at that time, but you still have to reinvest money to keep it relevant and to stay on top of the games. That how do you think we went from being empty to being an extremely busy club?
Speaker 2:without sounding arrogant, I think because of the team we have. We all we obviously have things to improve, like everyone else, but but I think we have a very solid and strong team. We are approachable people, all of us. So that's a very important thing because you see, most of the people that they come here, they stay to chat with us and we like to chat with them, you know. So this is something that it's a very you get really close to the customer, but you know that like this, you engage more, like a personal relationship with everyone who walks in. So I think that's one of the most important things. We didn't make it feel as a business. We make it feel like as a place where you can come, stay, enjoy, have fun, have love. You know, start, engage, friendship. You know outside the court as well, we also did when we did the paintball we did that activity where, like, we went and you know, like this, yeah, like community events.
Speaker 2:Community events you know that it's not as that common right to organize and we made it feel natural and, as I say, genuine. So that's the most important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think, like you said, it's important with the team, it's that human side of it. We do connect with people and all of the people that we've hired in our team. It's not just about paddle, it is about people and the social skills that the team has and you've carried that through as well in the hiring and how you've worked with the team and everyone and how you've worked with the team and everyone sees that and it has been great and you've decided to leave us Could be a great decision. Could be a terrible one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's see in two weeks, no matter what as Paddle Art, we wish you the best and we want you to achieve everything that you want to achieve. I mean, you've always worked in paddle, right until now.
Speaker 2:Well, since I was 16, I, when I was 16, I've been working on many different things. I don't know if to call it relevant ones, because when you are a teenager, I've worked on everything, but I think every job helps you to build up some skills on you that you might need afterwards. For example, I worked in a retail shop when I was 17. So that enhances your social skills, your customer service. You know. You need to know how to yeah, like problem solving as well. You know when your shop is full and then people are asking you for things and you know. So everything helps out. But after a long time yes, it's the first time I'm going to embrace something away from the paddle court so what's the?
Speaker 2:plan. The plan is uh, how can I promote now?
Speaker 1:of course. Yeah, that's all, that's all.
Speaker 2:Point is podcast is to promote you promote me yeah, I hope you don't charge me afterwards and the plan is to jump into something new, which which is real estate, and the idea played on my mind because I want something new in my life, something challenging, something I don't know, and also something where there's no ceiling economically. So I want to give it a shot. If you don't try, you don't know. So.
Speaker 1:I mean you're at the perfect age for it, right? I mean you're young, you don't have any commitments, no liabilities. I can go broke exactly you. Literally you can. I mean I'm very happy in my position, but I've made a million mistakes before and all of those mistakes have gotten me to where I am now. Yeah, and you also need that. You need to get kicked in the teeth. You need to have that difficult experiences that are challenging, and you will grow. Maybe you won't stay in real estate, maybe you'll do other things yeah, you never know, because you know what.
Speaker 2:What I feel is if regardless if it's real estate or it's another thing you might get to know different type of people right in a different environment, that later on it will lead you to something else. I'm not saying like I'm already starting the position with the thoughts that I'm going to leave it for something different, but you never know. You know, like if you, for example, before leaving to london when I finished my uni degree, I would never thought that I was going to keep doing, uh, paddle coaching, or I was going to enjoy that much, or I was going to keep doing paddle coaching, or I was going to enjoy it that much, or I was going to reach that far, you know. So I just went to London with the idea of, like, improving my English. Unfortunately, it never worked. But, yeah, that's what I say. You know like you need to explore right new options.
Speaker 1:And you have opportunities, you take them, you follow them and you make the most of them. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm not going to. I don't think I'm going to leave battle for, like the battle scene, of course, forever. I'm not going to stop. Maybe I'll have a little break at the beginning, but I'm sure, like later on, I want to engage again with competitions. I will try to recover from the knee injury I had and start enjoying that aspect as well, as I might be doing some coaching on the side.
Speaker 1:That's good. I mean hopefully it will give you the time to actually compete again, because when you do coach it is very hard to compete. At the same time it hinders, your level, actually gets worse as a player when you are coaching.
Speaker 2:So I don't think you've competed properly for a long time. That's the excuse I always give to myself. That's my excuse, exactly.
Speaker 1:And I coach like one hour a month.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I'm yeah. I lost in group stage because I was coaching the whole week.
Speaker 1:Because I coached one hour two weeks ago. It's pretty much the way it usually goes with me.
Speaker 2:It's true, when I came here to Dubai, I was practically competing every week or every two weeks, because probably I was younger, but at the same time I don't know I was feeling much better physically. You know, I was less tired of padel. Now, when you do, I love coaching, right, but coaching is different from competing. It's two different worlds. So I stopped enjoying competition because I was realizing that I couldn't be ready enough, and I'm someone that if I'm not ready for something I'm not jumping into it, I don't do things like halfway. So then that's why. But I used to really enjoy playing competitions. I mean, we did one tournament together. I think that was my last one.
Speaker 1:In Sharjah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you made me quit from competition.
Speaker 1:I have that effect on people. Playing with me is not always a pleasure for everybody. No, I'm joking. So what would you say over your paddle career? What have you learned?
Speaker 2:Nothing. I've learned many things Like. This job is very rewarding because it's very interesting as well, because when you are on court, you meet very different type of people, people that they might come from this industry or that industry, and they all come with a positive attitude to get coached. So it has really it has had a very big impact on my way of understanding life in general, like how to position myself in the market. You know, you learn a lot from everyone, especially like elder people, right, Because they have more experience or they've been more years here in Dubai. And, yeah, I'm really grateful for every opportunity I've got during the paddle career. I will say, and I will always be thankful for like the opportunity here in paddle art. I needed a change and, yeah, Probably I've learned like a lot. I don't know how I could like like squeeze it in one sentence, you know in terms of like, personal, social.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the great thing also just about Dubai in general is you meet so many different people, very many different backgrounds, and your outlook and your perception changes a lot because you see things from different people's perspectives. So it's a it's a great place to be in, obviously building that network.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think you'll see a lot of similarities moving forward in your career into the new industry yeah, I hope so, and using the skills that you did learn in paddle, hopefully and applying that in what you move on to.
Speaker 2:As I said, right, like paddle is a rewarding job as a paddle coach because people come happily to you. Job as a battle coach because people come happily to you and if you deliver what they are expecting, um, they will be very they will be very kind and generous to you as well, right? So I think real estate is a different type of uh of sin, as, yes, people are coming with certain expectations, but they are way more demanding, right, they are looking for something that they might benefit them in the future in terms of, like, investment. So you really need to measure what you deliver, right, so you can make them happy here. I do it naturally, because I've worked for powerdle for 10 years, so it comes, yeah, it comes.
Speaker 1:Like I said, naturally, you'll have to do another podcast in like three to six months, and then you can share the differences of like how real estate, I would still be dressed like that. How real estate has impacted your life. I mean it makes sense to yeah, we should do that, it would be really interesting to see 2.0.
Speaker 2:To see if we don't have a second video. You know already why.
Speaker 1:Yeah, someone buried you in the desert Dead.
Speaker 2:I would be. I would leave the country.
Speaker 1:What are you going to miss about working in paddle?
Speaker 2:Working in paddle art. I would miss everyone's company. Like, since everyone like stuff, I'll miss you as well. Yeah, like the, the relationship we have between all of us, it's just a happy place. You know, you, I wake up and I come to work and I know, like soon as I open the door, I will be already happy. Everyone is very, very nice to me, or has been very nice to me.
Speaker 1:I'm hoping they're nice to everyone, not just you.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't care, but yeah, I will miss the atmosphere mostly and also the time spent on court. But, as I say, physically I feel like I need a little break to recover properly. I had a little some issues with the knee, as I said, so I feel like I need to break a little and also a paddle will always be there for you. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's something that and I had this conversation actually with my parents I think it was maybe five years ago of how grateful I was to them to have put me in tennis. Yeah, because that gave me something to fall back on. You know, no matter what, I could always fall back on tennis, on coaching. Tennis then led to paddle and here we are today. But I was very grateful to have that skill and I think it's important that as a child, you develop something that you love. And for a long time I hated tennis and I moved away from it Really and I didn't want anything to do with tennis. But then I came back to it. I mean, now it's obviously paddle, but racket sports, whatever, yeah, and I'm so grateful for that and it's my childhood love and dream that I'm living now.
Speaker 2:You know, you see, for me, um, I never was into tennis, I was mainly into football. And then there was a. There was a time in between where I I stopped, uh, playing football and and then my I remember my dad was as well the one who who make me join paddle, and I started it for, like to be honest, I don't even know how I why I started. My dad asked me. He just mentioned to me oh, they're just gonna start doing lessons in in the padel club, because it just opened in town and no one knew what padel was really right. So I just said, yes, because he played it right and he was playing. And then I started from scratch and I'm very grateful, like I mean, the conversation was funny. It was like do you want they're going to start doing lessons? Do you want to join? Then I started that's, that's how my, how old were you then?
Speaker 1:I was 13 it's crazy how a decision at 13 years old can have such an impact on you for 14 years later. Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly because paddle. To be honest, it changed my life. You know, I've had also sometimes where I just wanted to leave it, because I mean, back in the days I was coaching, I started coaching kids and then I started while I was studying at uni. I started already with other people, but then that's what happened right, I was studying plus I was coaching and then I stopped enjoying the competition aspect about it. So sometimes I would just lose because I was not practicing enough and then just wanted to quit, but luckily I didn't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who knows what you'd be doing now, guys, you're working in a bar on the Costa Bravas.
Speaker 2:Exactly, If we never you know petrol station, If my dad never asked that question.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. It's funny. I remember I was four years old. My sister came back from school with a pink piece of paper and it was like open day for tennis. And it wasn't. It was for her age category. She was six.
Speaker 1:I wasn't in that school yet but my parents yeah I like pink, it's my favorite colour, and my parents were like, well, she's going to go, we'll send him along, might as well the two go. And that was my first. I remember it was like mini tennis in a huge gymnasium and it had like all these small mini tennis nets set up and there was lots of different activities and I really liked it. And then from then on I started playing tennis. So if my sister didn't come back with that, pink piece of paper who knows, you were four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was four. Yeah, so you remember that like I remember that.
Speaker 2:Really I don't know if it's because that story's been told to me so many times that it's like I really I don't know if I've developed an image of it in my mind or if I genuinely yeah, or if I genuinely remember that image, but I it seems clear in my mind yeah, I mean there is some memories I remember perfectly, like, like the, the moment when, when I was in the sofa, so I like very vibed by, really yeah but 13.
Speaker 1:You must have been really bad at paddle our late to see me playing on the first lessons.
Speaker 2:You will never, ever think about it like this kid is gonna ever like. Try to play this and be yeah.
Speaker 1:And to become a paddle coach, yeah. It's interesting actually, because those who start later, I find, often become the better coaches, because they they've learned it differently. It's less innate, because it's not. When you're young, you pick up things without really knowing yeah but the older you are, the more the learning is difficult and the more you're able to translate that yeah, one of my favorite tennis coaches that I had he was.
Speaker 1:He started playing tennis at a similar age to you, when I was 13. But I liked the way that he taught the game and he was maybe more passionate about it as well because he had been surrounded by it at such a young age.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think if you start very young, it can happen what you say, right, because you have started it from a very early age, you might lose interest maybe a little bit faster than if you started later. I was a paddle freak like, and I I couldn't leave the paddle court. I really wanted to go to paddle, especially after the first year when I started hitting the ball over the net. But yeah, it was a funny. It was a funny journey because it wasn't easy. To be honest, I used to.
Speaker 2:When I started my first competition, it was the Catalonian Championship, so it was literally like the biggest one of the whole year because it happens on December and it's after the whole season. It's the last one, right? So if you win that one, you are literally champion of Catalonia, which it's after the whole season. It's the last one, right? So if you win that one, you are literally champion of Catalonia, which is it's big because because Catalonia is one of the regions in Spain where Paddle well, at that time Paddle was like in a very high level. Now I think Madrid and Andalusia took a little bit over, but still there is like very good players now from there, anyway. So I remember going there and I live like 40 minutes away. It was freezing like freezing in December. We were playing outdoors and my coach came, and my dad too, and I think I lost 6-0, 6-1, and went home in 40 minutes. So that was my first experience in the competition, that's inspiring.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, never give up, keep trying. And I've took so many 6-0, 6-1, and after like two-hour trip, you know, to Tarragona or places like where they were far from home and I knew it was going to be like that, because I was competing against the first seeded or second seeded, you know. So I always tell people when they just like get upset about losing, I said, or they, they see you playing good and they are like, oh, I want to be like you. I say, okay, like the amount of games and humiliation I've been through is uh, it's quite a lot, you know. So, yeah, no one sees that side it's true, people only see the result.
Speaker 2:They don't see that exactly, they see you there inside of the court and they, they think like everything has been easy for you, you know, since the beginning.
Speaker 1:And all these struggles, all the struggles that I think you have to send me a video of you playing paddle when you were 13. I have one, but this is like we have to put it in this video Only fans. You have to subscribe to that one. Yeah, actually yeah, Because it's it's an edition content.
Speaker 2:It's embarrassing, it's true.
Speaker 1:Is there anything else that you want to discuss? Is there anything that you would like to share with the world about your paddle journey? I mean, it's not like you're dying, you know it's not like you have cancer and you're never going to play any bracket sports again.
Speaker 2:Just I'll say like I'm happy to see how the sport has developed and you know, like I like it's it's an early stage for paddle worldwide. There is a still a lot of places where it's not developed. In very important ones like, for example, it can be America. So it's a it's a really fun sport that a lot of people still don't even know about it and I think it will become just a massive success through the years. I don't think that boom will stop. Maybe in Dubai right now, you know, the thing has stabilized a little bit. I mean there are still new clubs coming up, but I mean we've been crazily busy, like even in summer. You know it's meant to be quiet.
Speaker 1:So I really I'm really happy to see how things have developed here and yeah, and the let's say, the faith people like, for example, the owners had, you know, in that moment to invest the amount of money they did for to build up a club, you know and and yeah, so it's even gone past my expectations, to be honest, like what we've achieved with paddle out, like, yeah, if someone had told me when we first opened two years ago, this is where we'd be two years later with the amount of members we have the reputation of the club and the success of the club and obviously it is thanks to you, a big part of you.
Speaker 1:I mean the entire team, of course, and also to all the members and the players.
Speaker 2:You played a big, massive role, massive part into, like I think, especially at the very, very, very beginning, like I think you were the brain to start generating that momentum and you never stopped thinking oh yeah, we are cool, now we can just relax. You always came up with new ideas or new things, that, for example, the app yeah, no one believes in that. It's been a game changer and no one believes in the app.
Speaker 1:No one believes in the app.
Speaker 2:at the beginning but it's true um that that has helped many people and that would I mean that came through you right yeah, but I mean also the like I said.
Speaker 1:There's ideas and for me what was important is that okay, we, we get better, the club is doing well, but we always need to keep improving. Even today, like, don't settle with the best club, because, first of all, I don't believe in that metric when everyone says what is the best club in Dubai that depends on a million different things. I'm happy, I'm proud of what we've achieved. I'm proud to say that we are Paddle Art and what we've done. But we can always do more and we'll keep. I look forward to it.
Speaker 2:Hopefully, yeah. So yeah, related with the paddle journey, I don't think it will stop, as you said. It's not that I'm dying, Hopefully not.
Speaker 1:Famous last words.
Speaker 2:Yeah and yeah, I don't think it will stop. I will still keep coming and now playing, hopefully, if possible, if I have a little bit of time, and that's it.
Speaker 1:I mean, you'll always be welcome to Paddle Art. Paddle Art is your home. You're a big part of our success.
Speaker 2:I thought you told me I was banned for life from Paddle Art after leaving.
Speaker 1:No, the door will always be open to you, no matter what, and our friendship obviously means a lot to me as well, of course. Thanks for having this conversation with me, and I look forward to having you back again in three to six months when you can tell us about all the villas that you've sold on the palm and all your beautiful in my new car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly yeah, we'll do the next podcast in your ferrari. Amazing, looking forward to it. Thank you, paul, thank you.