Unveiling Shadows Podcast Meet Kali EP 102 Dark psychology is real and used by perpetrators

Hosted by Kimberly Mosby, author of “Unveiling Shadows,” this podcast Kali shares her harrowing experience of being targeted after exposing dark secrets involving sex trafficking and environmental harm, revealing the extent of organized crime, hacking, and surveillance. This episode highlights the importance of resilience and awareness in the face of systemic corruption and personal danger.


 keywords

organized crime, hacking, surveillance, sex trafficking, whistleblower, organized crime, cyber security, resilience, dark psychology


 key  topics

Kali's experience with a high-level IT executive involved in sex trafficking
The extent of organized crime, hacking, and surveillance against whistleblowers
The psychological tactics used by perpetrators and dark psychology
The challenges of reporting crimes to police and authorities
The role of government agencies and corruption in organized crime
Strategies for resilience and self-protection in dangerous situations
The environmental impact of corporate practices and activism
The importance of documenting evidence and staying persistent


 takeaways

Never underestimate the extent of organized crime and surveillance against whistleblowers.
Document everything and stay persistent in seeking justice.
Dark psychology and psychological warfare are real and used by perpetrators.
Organized crime can infiltrate government and law enforcement.
Stay calm, find your center, and keep documenting your experiences.


 sound bites

"Dark psychology is real and used by perpetrators."
"Document everything and stay persistent."
"Organized crime infiltrates government and law enforcement."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Kali's harrowing story
02:10 Kelly's background and initial contact with the perpetrator
03:56 Red flags and early warning signs of abuse
06:03 Escalation of stalking, hacking, and harassment
08:01 Police reports and challenges in seeking help
10:00 Evidence of sex trafficking and organized crime
11:59 The psychological tactics and dark psychology used
13:58 Escalation to physical threats and attempts on her life
15:48 The role of government agencies and corruption
18:07 Strategies for resilience and self-protection
19:53 The importance of documentation and persistence
22:10 The broader implications of systemic corruption
24:09 Kali's message of hope and activism
26:04 Final thoughts and advice for listeners

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to the Unveiling Shadows Podcast. I'm your host, Kimberly Mosby. Join me as I dive into powerful stories of resilience and strength. In each episode, I sit down with guests who have faced similar journeys of course of control, financial manipulation, and personal invasion. Together, we uncover the shadows, share our experiences, and inspire others to reclaim their lives. Tune in, listen, and be a part of the community that stands tall against the forces that seek to control us.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Unveiling Shadows Podcast. I'm your co-host, Kimberly Mosby. Today, Kelly is here with an amazing story, one that is as terrifying as it is gripping. She dated an IT executive who was involved in sex trafficking. She also wrote an article that covered how many trees Amazon was killing with their packaging. Her report didn't just expose what happened, it also put her in the path of danger. And now, after what she thought was behind her, the same threat has returned in a more, even more extreme way. Today Kelly opens up about what it's really like to uncover horror up close and how it feels when you when the headlines fade and what it takes to stay steady when you're suddenly targeted.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Welcome, Kelly. Thank you, Kimberly. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's Kali, like like the dog, Kali. Yeah. Thank you for correcting me, Kali. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

All right. So we had a phone conversation the other day, and uh your story is quite intriguing because you dated someone high in the IT tech world. And so do you want to take us through your journey with all of that?

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Yeah, I mean it's a long story. I'll try to be succinct, but uh but there I used to work in community currencies, and this guy who also worked in currencies and the tech entrepreneur reached out to me when I was at a low point. We had been friends on Facebook for a long time. He had wanted a date many years before. Um, but he reached out when I was not doing well. I had just gone through like a really rough divorce, COVID, mold poisoning, a bunch of stuff. And he said, How can I help? And then he offered things like, Oh, you can stay with me and I might be able to get you a job, and and then was just being like strangely, like overly interested, saying things like, I feel like we have a heart connection, I feel like I've been having dreams about you, when can I see you? Um, meet me at my mom's house. And a couple months went by and I did end up meeting Ameta's mom's house, and things went really fast. And he was like, Oh, I'll be your family, I'll take care of you, ask me about all my traumas, and then things started to get weird, and like he would say things like, Oh, I've never had a girlfriend, which turned out not to be true. And I had a spiritual epiphany about uh never being attached, like it's not healthy or something like that. Told me about his sexual traumas as a boy, and yeah, some other weird things about how he had been a sexual healer before, like a professional sexual healer, um, how he wanted to start a cult, this church of the upward spiral. But he was really sweet, and I was in a desperate situation, and he was also very intelligent, which I thought was very attractive, and and we kind of got along, but there were definitely red flags, and even after the first week, I thought about splitting off, and I did for a minute, and then I came back. He had me on Google Maps right away, tracking me. He tried to buy me a new phone and plan, even though I had one. He tried to buy my car from me and then sell it back to me so that his well, his friends would have the title, basically. So yeah, there were some concerning things and they they evolved over time where he confessed a little bit and at least two other people, particularly one person, mentioned sex crimes, but he even confessed to some things to me and showed me photos on his phone, which really concerned me. And yeah, he just became more and more psychologically abusive to the point where I I looked at it later and I was like, this guy is using CIA tactics on me. And he also was a wisdom teacher in the landmark group. I don't know if you're familiar with them, some people really like them, but I think he just learned a lot about like dark psychology and use it on me. And I would notice the things because I'm also intelligent and I studied psychology, but I would make excuses for him because of his difficult childhood. Yeah. And then the night I broke up with him, I guess things started to get weird even before then. He like, I guess I took too long to say thank you for some miles that he gave me, and he modified a Google profile of me that said malicious Luna and sent it to me and said, This is the craziest thing you've ever done. And I was like, Whoa, that's really weird. I didn't do that. But I kind of wrote it off and then eventually, yeah, I did decide to split up with them in the night that I was texting back and forth and saying, like, I I wasn't finally breaking it off, but I was definitely showing that I was leaning that way. And I there was a two carjacking attempts that night, and my phone signal is jammed for the first time ever. Like I just it wasn't dead, I just couldn't call out and I couldn't call police. And it was partly because of that that I decided to really cut it off.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Um, because I suspected that it was him. And a few weeks later, there were sexual images put on the second page of my website, and Weebly couldn't figure out how they got in or got out. They couldn't even see traces of another person in there. And he was the only one that knew about the website. It was a brand new website, unranked, and I had sent him information about it just before that happened. So then he started stalking me from different numbers, and I started to call the police, and they're like, We can't do anything because they're from different numbers, but I knew it was him. And yeah, I tried to report him to the police and they just they wouldn't they wouldn't help, and that continued for years.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Wow. You can set up a Google number. Anybody can set up a Google number.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

Yeah, I have I haven't done that yet, but I will um I will do that. I have changed numbers many times, I've moved many times. I've protected my location to the extent as possible. And yeah, but then other weird things started to happen where like particularly with uh employment and with housemates, where I didn't understand why I was having so much bad luck, like why these people hated me so much. And and then I figured out later, oh, okay, it's because he met with them like what a month or less before this started happening, sometimes a little bit more, but he actually would meet with my employers and then I would get let go, usually in a brutal way, although they wouldn't technically say it was firing, because that raises a red flag. But I had been doing a great job at most of those jobs and I was shocked, actually. And one of them in particular, the first one was very strange. A friend of his actually showed up to a funding retreat, a a colleague of his and a friend named Will. And Will started to kind of come on to me and I kind of pushed him away and and felt uncomfortable. And then at the retreat, it came up and I said, I don't I don't want to work on this project. I don't feel comfortable with Will. And he said, You're accusing me of rape. And then everything, everybody just kind of turned on me. And I said, No, I didn't. I just don't want to work with you. And then he said he was gonna dox me, that it was part of CIA. He asked me if I thought he was a psychopath. He said that this guy was not a narcissist, his friend, and he's sort of defending him proactively. And then he vigorously like like pounded on my door at night, and I I started to call the police, and then I fled. And this was all work retreat, you know, like around with fancy funders.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

And I was just baffled. And I left the organization. Um, and other things like that would happen where like I would move into a place, I'd post on Facebook, oh, I really love this place, and then somebody would steal my keys and I'd leave and follow a restraining order. And and it just kept happening like that. Like I would lose these jobs, and then and housemates would become really aggressive. And then later I would find out they would say things like, Well, we received some information about you, or your friends told me that you hate men and you spread fear and that sort of thing. And so I couldn't really protect myself because I didn't know what was going on. And even when I do, I it's really hard. But things started to get, I would say in 20, 20, 20, February of 2024, I was having kind of like a PTSD therapy breakthrough, breakdown, whatever. He contacted me around that time and uh and kind of triggered that and was trying to get back together, I think. And I ended up going, calling this hotline and telling them about what happened to me. And they said, Well, actually, you sound like you were sex trafficked. And I was like, hmm, okay. Well, I mean, kind of, but because I was in a vulnerable position, he offered me all this stuff and I didn't really have any other options. But also I told them about these photos that I saw on his phone, which were like a gallery of naked females that were either slightly underage or slightly overage, probably a mix of the two. I couldn't really tell, but they looked like they were intoxicated in some way, and they were like lined up against this wall. And yeah, it was super concerning. And I I mentioned the photos and I wasn't gonna do anything about them, but they said, We want you to come in for a sex trafficking deposition. And I was reluctant. I reached out to him and I said, I don't want to do this, get help. And the day before the deposition, my bank account was broken into. And the day of the deposition, or maybe the day after, there was a Facebook message from the spiritual singles Facebook group member from a different account, and it said, Hi, this is and it was his name, but it was a different account. And so he was so, in a sense, claiming the attack. And yeah, I went ahead and did the deposition. They didn't do anything. They said it's not enough evidence to like take his phone, and I was like, Whoa, okay, why did you bring me here? And so I reported it to another police department where he lives part-time, and they took it much more seriously. They con they got an investigator and they uh contacted the child exploitation group in the area. Nothing came of it, but uh but I only found out that they did that later. And yeah, and I didn't hear much from him after that. I would still get these random messages and they sounded like kind of romantic, like it was checking on me. It seemed like other people he knew were checking on me. And then last summer, my phone was hacked very, very intensely. I would say after a bunch of messages from that sounded like they were from him, it was hacked to the point that it bricked for a while and then it just like came back to life. And so I didn't think anything was wrong, but people started acting weird around me, like a coworker uh started attacking me. Uh, I lost my job at another company. I was I was working two jobs, and then my therapist from Lebanon, who I think we had kind of a mutual affinity for each other, he was a student therapist, he started being aggressive and asking stalking questions. And then another friend who was very close to me and a supportive person who worked in IT taught people how not to get hacked. And but he also wanted to be my partner, and I said no. He he started to act very passive aggressive towards me, also. And I think what had happened was he was the the perpetrator was following all of my messages and then started to share with them like maybe some things that were true, like screenshots or whatever, and some things that weren't true. Yeah. And then um since I lost my job, I moved to the Bay Area and moved in with this house. And unfortunately, they lied about this flea infection when when I had this interview, and I got upset about that because it gave me a serious infection, and and they started attacking me in ways that I've never seen before. Like they started videotaping me around the house, trying to catch me with crimes like letting his cat out of the house, which I never did, opening my mail, um, taking pictures of my medications and sharing them. Somebody threw dishes at me and I said I was gonna call the police, and then they called the police on me. Um, I said I was gonna file a restraining order, and then they repeatedly filed restraining orders on me before I could even get well. I was in actually in the hospital for a night and was kept on receiving treatment, and I could barely get my footing underneath me. And apparently, yeah, they were just attack, attack, attack. And so I thought, oh, okay, just another random bad thing. I'm gonna be okay. I'm gonna be okay. And I went to New Mexico and I stayed with this community that I really liked. And that's when things took a noticeable turn, where I was like, this isn't, you know, this isn't normal badness, you know. And this the stalker, the perpetrator, showed up in person. He doesn't live in that state, and he was on this rural highway next to the community. And I was very alarmed. I called the police. I have a phone recording of that, and I said, I think he's gonna try and kill me, you know. If you find him, let me know. Um, and then I didn't hear anything more. And this guy shows up named Tom to the community, and Tom takes a special interest in me and wants to walk me home through the woods at night. And I was like, this feels very strange. And I caught him a couple of times speaking about things. One of them was singing a song about murdering women and blood on their clothes. And after that happened, and the community kind of went cold on me after being very, very interested in me staying. Um, I I left and I went back to California. I was seeking medical treatment in New Mexico, by the way. And and then I went back to California because I was feeling better. I got uh a rental with this guy named, I'll go ahead and say his name, Marcus Motomedi, who's from Iran. And he he was initially like pretty aggressive. He wouldn't give me keys. And the second night I was there, carbon monoxide poisoned me almost to the point of death. And I was very suspicious about it at first only because like I'd never experienced anything like that. Um and when I opened the window, I felt better. And then in the morning, he gave me two different explanations about why the oven was open. One was baking brownies, the other one was for heat. But it wasn't even cold in Joshua Tree, and he had central heating and a personal heater, and he wasn't baking brownies. And so I was like, this was intentional. And I emailed the mayor, I called the police, I got ambulance out there, everything. And you know, they took a couple weeks. Police reports he fled the scene actually, and the police were like, Well, at least, you know, you're not gonna get hurt. And then he started to threaten me, file restraining orders against me, uh, said he was gonna file a lawsuit against me, take my car. And I was like, Okay, this is getting really strange. And then on top of that, he sent me some emails saying that my friends had contacted him and they told him that I hated men and I spread fear and and some other things. And and and I didn't think about that part until later, but but this was becoming very concerning. And then I I tried to stay with another community who had accepted me, and they said, We we got information about you after they had already accepted me, and said I couldn't come. They wouldn't tell me what. And so yet another friend, the the the IT guy who I was friends with that wanted to be partners, who I turned down in December, he asked me to stay at his place, and then somebody broke into my room while I was staying there, and the internet went on my phone went down, the cell service again went down in San Francisco, and so I had to use my friend's Wi-Fi, and then I started getting all this hacking stuff. And there was one specific thing that he there a couple of things that he did that concerned me. One was he he asked about which jobs I was applying to, and I said, like this black girl advocacy organization, and then I received a fake Zoom invite from them that was obviously a virus, it was like nothing I had never seen, and then there was actually a Zoom virus on my phone that Malware caught. And apparently a logger app was installed too. Uh, and uh and he started to ask me, him and his housemates started to ask me about where I was going, where do I stay, you know, what kind of communities did I want to live at? And they had never wanted to talk to me before. And I got so suspicious that my friend who I was staying house hosting, I blocked him for the first time in 15 years. And I started to pack up and leave. And this landlord from the house with the fleece shows up outside and is looking at my license plate. And I wish I'd gotten a photo of that, but uh but yeah, I got even more concerned and I decided to leave and head east. And as I was heading east, then my phone was very intensely hacked, like it looped on and off, the memory was full, there were pop-ups, it was crazy. I started calling the police and they said you have to come back to the Bay Area and to file this report. I'm like, okay. I kept on going and I I showed up at this Buddhist retreat center in Arizona where I was gonna stay on my way to Colorado, and this white van started following me. And then I knew something was really wrong because I'd been hacked before, but I'd never been surveilled or stopped before. And I headed back to Tucson and tried to get my phones fixed, they didn't really do much, but then I started being followed like non-stop. Like every place I would go, several people would show up, and just the level of stress that I endured from that was phenomenal. Yeah. I don't I still don't know what was going on with that intense following, but I headed west, and this is gonna sound wild, but I I was so stressed and and actually feeling suicidal that I went to this anxiety clinic. I called about around a bunch of them, and apparently they were in my phone at the time. But and this one called Discovery Behavioral Health said yes, you can come today. But this Amazon driver showed up like right after I arrived and gave me this look like, we got you. And I was only there for a little over a week because they started to harass me. They started to prevent me from taking my medications, which were absolutely necessary. Uh my bank account was hacked on their computer, um, my mail was stolen, and that then I threatened to call the police because I was like, this is a federal crime. And then they started to act differently, and the police actually came out and they told me not to talk to them, and I left. So that's that was really weird. Turns out Discovery Behavioral Health has a connection to the perpetrator, and somebody from Discovery Behavioral Health actually tried to befriend me and say, Oh, I know you're going through this thing. How can I help? And then she started to dissuade me from going to the police, said he just needed a caregiver, and then she was trying to get my location information and what kind of phone I had. Um, and I blocked her after I found out she was part of Discovery Behavioral Health. Yeah. And as I was headed back to San Francisco to file these reports, I was followed but less intensely than when I got to San Francisco. It was very intense, and especially as I got closer to the police station. So I called this friend of mine named Bruce, and Bruce and I were not close friends, but I was on his phone plan for one of my phones, and initially he was helpful, and then he received kind some kind of cash package, like a very large cash package. And I don't know whether that was to pay for my harassment, my handling, or to set me up because he also he got another cash package and asked me to go out and get it while he was gone, which he was almost never gone. And he like got really angry when I wouldn't take the cash package. Um thank God I didn't because it was on camera and I could have been set up for some kind of crime. Um, but instead I called the police and I took photos and I had screenshots of the text and everything. Um but he started to act really strange and was like, my passwords would disappear, my phone would be hacked over and over again. He was also dissuading me from going to the police. It seemed like I was being wiretapped, like thing I would say things and then I would look out the window, and then like people would be at my car because they thought that somebody was coming, or or like if I said a friend was gonna come over, there would be more surveillance. And I was stressed to the point where I was suicidal and again, and he didn't dissuade me. And I I posted on Facebook one night that I was feeling this way, and I mentioned the perpetrator's name, and my Facebook account was hacked very intensely. Um, my bank account was hacked again and again to the point where they closed it, but I they also said that I was committing fraud and tried to like uh intimidate me from even going back to the bank to get my money, and they said that I had to come in in person and I was scared to go in person because they had already set up an online thing where I was recertified and all that. And I think that somebody got to one of the bank tellers and tried to do that because that really threw me over the edge. Like not only was I losing my money, but somebody was threatening that I had committed a federal crime of fraud against a bank. And yeah, I ended up catching this guy, Bruce, on because we were in like a he was trying to be partners and it it ended up being sort of a domestic violence situation. So I recorded him one night about the cash package and whether he had gotten anything from art, sorry, from the person, the perpetrator, the artist, con artist. And he he said, Um, I said, Did did he or anybody uh else offer you anything? And he got really nervous and he pursed his lips real tight. He said, No, nobody's. And then I I asked him, I said, Well, where did the cash package come from? And then I started recording and he said two different things, he several different things. He was like, Oh, it's my girlfriend, oh, somebody owed me money. And I was like, Really in the same cash package? Two people send you things. And and then I didn't catch this on the recording, but later he said, Don't tell anybody, don't tell the police. He's like, What do you want? He said, I'll give you two thousand dollars in cash. I said, I don't want the cash. And I I found my way out the next day, and I'm like, This is like next level. My mail was tampered with, like my my unplugged phone that I was trying to get was was redirected, you know. And yeah, I felt like I was in some kind of a spy novel. Then things started to get better. My my ex-partner picked me up and that phone was hacked like immediately, but I found a safe place to stay. And while I think that maybe compromised a little bit, it does feel overall safe, but I've still had the mail tampering. I've had evidence deleted from my from my Google Drive and and email accounts that I was trying to send to police and to the FBI. And I was wondering if that if the FBI or the CIA were involved because of the level of like hacking and interception of phone calls, impersonations, trying to entrap me and all this stuff. And I'm I'm not convinced that they're not, but I don't think that they're the main. Perpetrators, because when I tried to go to the police or I tried to go to the FBI, people panicked. And I I started to receive death threats actually. When I started to go to the FBI, received death threats, threats of being put in prison for life for terrorism, threats of actually literally referring to gang stalking and a handler with a very graphic image of murder references to shooting, um, mass shootings, and other kinds of intimidation, but also linking it back to the original perpetrator. He was saying, You never loved me, you didn't know me, I never want to see you again, you hate everybody that loves you, and just like things that you know, like an FBI agent probably wouldn't say. I mean, they could. They were, I mean, but it was very much his flavor.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

I think all the three four-letter agencies are all part of this operation chaos, is what I've been calling it. Because it feels like that.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

It's it's it's hard to know what level. I mean, I've I've definitely heard things like I have a close friend who like pissed off the cops, and he they they have those kind of connections. He I'm sure he has connections at that level because he's so wealthy. Yeah. But I don't think that they were the ones that instigated it. I think that there are corrupt people within the police departments. I forgot to mention that that I did get Richmond, California homicide interested in the case as an attempted murder conspiracy. And he was like, Send me all your evidence. And then this other person involved in the case, actually a lawyer who I was co-working with who turned on me, she uh she said, I'm going, I'm going to have to intervene because I accused her of being part of it and she got nervous. And I think she somehow, well, through the hackers, found out that I was talking with Richmond police and the case disappeared. So then I went to the FBI and I presented evidence and did an interview and all that. And I wasn't sure how things were gonna go. They didn't give me any guarantees. So then I moved on to filing a restraining order in another state where the perpetrator was, and that actually has been the best thing because I don't think everybody is corrupt. I do think that there's a ton of corruption.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

And they were very much on my side. They have great stalking laws, and they were like giving me things that I didn't ask for, like extra restrictions, and pretty much gave me the flag that they were going to approve the full restraining order and gave me the temporary one. So that's that's the only way my nervous system has calmed down to this point where I can smile. It's like, yeah, okay, somebody in law enforcement is interested. I think locally, probably they're on a different side. There's a lot of organized crime here.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

Yeah. Yeah, we know the the uh how it all goes: the gang stalking, the hacking, the honeypot.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

There was a honeypot too that I didn't mention. There was a a friend of the person that I'm staying with came and was like, Oh, do you want to go hiking? Do you want to go to these woods? And there was a lot of mentions of like going to Harbin. They all wanted me to go to Harbin. They all wanted to like offer me an Uber, but there was definitely like a honeypot who was trying to because I like hiking so much, he was trying to get me with that. And and I accused him, and I was like, I'm gonna tell the what you're doing. I don't know if it makes any difference, but but yes, there was definitely a honeypot, and and then also the guy who with the cash package was a bad honeypot, but but yeah, and the mail tampering was like next level. I have contacted all of I've had problems with all of them. I would say FedEx was has been the best. Yeah, but you you UPS is really bad. US Postal Service has been the worst. And I I spent like two days on the phone trying to get this check that was like held up, it was an overnight check. It was held up for over three days at the post office where it was mailed, or the distribution center right near it. And they couldn't figure out why it wasn't leaving. And then it was finally after like a day of calling and the inspector general and all this stuff, it ended up at a local post office and they said you have to come pick it up. I was like, what for an express mail? Why would I have to come pick it up? And they and then they said, Oops, we made a mistake. No, you don't have to come pick it up. It's being delivered to your house. And going through like a bunch talking to a bunch of UPS and US Postal Service folks, they denied the problem and they would like get angry with me. And finally, finally, I got a top person at US Postal Service on the phone and I said, This is organized crime. This is harassment against me for filing a deposition against a sex trafficker. And she's like, I believe you. There are people who take advantage of their position and they make money. And I'm sorry that this is happening to you. Did you lose the money? I said, No, I didn't lose the money. I was just being harassed.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

So there are honest people in the system, and there's shockingly, very shockingly, a lot of people abusing their positions, probably for money, some people maybe under threat.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Of being arrested, or like, but the I will add another layer to this, you know, when I was submitting the evidence to the homicide police department, Richmond Police, I was there was a noise campaign that those two nights that I was working on it, like in the middle of the night, by a city workers with BART, they were running a generator right next to my window. And then the evidence was believed being deleted nonstop, and I was able to retrieve it because it was Google Drive. And then on top of that, the the police officer in charge who seemed sympathetic, the sergeant, he was promoted out of the department. And I don't know if that's connected, but then he was no longer on my case. Yeah. You know, um, and the case I called back and the case just disappeared, my name disappeared, you know. I had no idea that any I was not involved in because I've never been into drugs or anything kind of weird or criminal.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

So to me, this like blows my mind. This like dark web, organized crime, involvement of like federal agents, like police. It's like, yeah, I watched movies, but now I'm in the freaking movie. Right. Just because I reported somebody and maybe after the fact because he alerted Amazon that I, you know, I could be targeted easily. You know, they should target me. And there's definitely been Amazon drivers that, like I mentioned at the recovery center, there was like a and it was not for drugs, it was just for anxiety, but but the guy came by and then I've as like they seem to be part big part of the surveillance. I don't know if they're just part of the network or if they're actually like Amazon is part of it. Oh, they're yeah, yeah, I would assume so. I mean, it's like, isn't it the biggest company in the world? And I outed them on well, uh like there's these journalist websites of like who's most likely to be targeted, and logging is actually up there as like one of the number one reasons a journalist is to be targeted. I did I didn't know that, but apparently that is a big they feel very threatened by that. And and and realistically, one to three billion trees is killing the planet. We have no hope for solving climate change with one to three billion trees being killed every year, and they're replacing them with about a hundred thousand. No, that's not okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Everybody just stop buying Amazon, okay? Just all of you, just stop.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

They they won't be heard by the I actually used to really like Amazon, I'll be honest, because it helped me get a lot of supplements I couldn't get elsewhere elsewhere. Yeah. And I I don't buy things on Amazon anymore. Not for multiple reasons. I think they I mean they can easily track you too, because you're giving them your address, you know, and they come to your door and they have the ring cameras, which I didn't know if that was part of their system. But then the ring cameras are are connected with local surveillance networks for like good neighbors, neighborhood policing, and that sort of thing. And I'm still trying to figure out what app are they using where they can sense that like my phone moves a little bit, like out the how does it even know that I'm leaving the door? And then and then somebody will show up like right away. Like what what is level of surveillance is that, you know? Too much. Yeah. Yeah. And they I've tried to find that what the app is. I try to get on a couple of them. The neighborhood policing and the the the the one that police actually coordinate with, I forget what it's called, but but neither of them seem to have that level of of like intense tracking with location and also like real-time notifications, that sort of thing. Which I had experienced particularly in the beginning. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

I think that's why it would have to be, you know, the government in on it, y, you know, using this to experience experiment on the population. You know, and maybe you just need an asshole to put you on the list. And then that was the IT executive guy.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

But I think he did many things, including putting me putting me on a list. And I even I did go to the federal government and I said, I reported to the CIA and everything, because I thought this guy from Lebanon was also involved, part of Hezbollah, and then the Iranian and and another person. And I didn't hear back, but I did hear back when I said I I haven't tried to get on a flight, but I suspected that things would go wrong. And and I said, I don't I think somebody put me on a list. And they responded very generally, and they like, well, we I said, I I think it was my ex who was a sex trafficker. And they were like, Well, we can't, you know, we can't say who put you on, or like, but we're sorry for the inconvenience, whatever. And and I was like, No, no, I've never had problems with getting on flights. I've never had I've never even had any interest from police in anything. Because I I'm very I don't I don't blame people for, you know, poverty does also mental illness does all sorts of things to people, but I've been very straight. And so to receive this level of attention, somebody put me on a list, various lists. And also is probably paying for other stuff that's like organized crime because that started even before when I was like carjacked. That is some kind of organized crime thing, um, with the phone signal being jammed and all that. Yeah. Yep. I'm glad you come. I think they're all kind of interconnected, you know, and and there's unfortunately like a lot of people I think who are psychopathic, who are narcissists, who are running this country, running police forces, running these organized crime things, and even just like CEOs of companies or like higher-ups and companies that are all kind of working together and they really hate people who are whistleblowers, who are truth tellers, who are empathic, who want to change the world and make it a better place. We are unfortunately their worst enemy, although we don't think about it like that. We think, oh, we're just trying to make the world a better place. Well, people love that, and they're like, no, we're gonna hunt you down and neutralize you before you can do anything of substance.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

Right. Well, you know, I'm not going to shut up, and I don't believe that you are going to either. So, you know, that's why I said I'm glad that you found me because thank you. Yeah, the more people that come out and start talking about this, I'm sorry, you know, and they can't discredit us when we are telling people about our experience. It's not a story, it actually is happening, and when you're going through it, it's terrifying.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

Yes. And uh, you know, if if for example, if the FBI was involved, I had o I have over 200 pieces of evidence presented to them, and it's like, well, buddy, I mean you can try, but you're not gonna win in court because I've been documenting and I will continue to document everything. Yeah and whoever goes for me is actually probably gonna get in trouble because I'm a smart cookie and I'm not gonna back down. Good.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Good. You go, Tigris.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

Let's see. Yeah. Thank you for giving me the chance to hear my story.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

Absolutely. Everybody has to have a chance because all there's a lot of similarities. There they're a few varying, you know, but a lot of it is the psychological operation that it will it will stop. You know, to today is the day that it needs to end. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Yeah. There were definitely psychological parts of it. It's just like people were reading my what I was looking up on the internet, what I was making calls about, and the concerns that I had. They would then issue threats or like redirect me to ads or websites or phone calls or whatever regarding those. And it just, you know, I'm already an anxious person. But now I know.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Yeah, yeah. Good. Yeah, I think that's great advice. Stay calm, find your center, just realize it's a game, and uh yeah, keep keep documenting. Yeah, yeah. I agree. Well, thank you again, Colleen, for coming on. Stick wrong. We got this. Okay, you too.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

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