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Ep. 68 The Bones of Paris: Tales from the Catacombs and Beyond
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Join your favorite Co-Ghosts and a very special guest on a spine-chilling journey beneath the streets of Paris as we unravel the secrets of the Paris Catacombs, an eerie maze of tunnels housing the remains of over six million people. These underground passages tell not just a story of history and death, but also of the lingering spirits said to roam the darkness. We delve into the origins of the catacombs, constructed in response to the overcrowding of cemeteries and the need for a more sanitary method of burying the deceased.
As we explore this enigmatic site, we recount the haunting tale of Philibert Asper, the doorman whose spirit is rumored to wander the catacombs to this day. Have you ever wondered what it feels like to walk amongst skeletal remains or hear whispers in the dark? Our exploration takes us beyond Paris, bringing in fascinating comparisons with the Capuchin Catacombs of Palermo and other notorious burial grounds, highlighting the universal intrigue surrounding death.
We share chilling anecdotes from those who have ventured underground, discussing the feelings of presence and the supernatural experiences reported by visitors. Are these moments genuine ghostly encounters, or mere products of the mind in a place so deeply entrenched in history?
With the catacombs attracting thousands of tourists, we question how this impacts their preservation and the stories they hold. Each layer of bone and earth speaks to a profound connection to mortality, stirring curiosity and reverence. Join us to reflect on human experiences surrounding life and death, as we seek answers from those who have experienced these enigmatic depths.
Prepare to be captivated by tales that evoke wonder and chill, and engage with us as we explore these questions: Would you dare to wander the catacombs? What stories of the supernatural resonate with you? Subscribe and become a part of our fascinating journey into the unknown.
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Speaker 3:What's going on? This is scolarius, I am john olsen and with me, as always, is dw, the defacel wave serene oh, dang didn't work it's harder when I have the bottles and you wave yeah, I heard it, and that was one of your worst defense you wave. You know what that means means difficult, homeless person I'm neither of those things you? You're neither of those things.
Speaker 4:Alright, so who else do we have on the line, john?
Speaker 3:Well, I was getting there. I was trying to get a reaction for the Difficile.
Speaker 4:Alright, not trying to be difficult here, so.
Speaker 3:You mean difficile?
Speaker 4:Your French is yeah Good as your impressions.
Speaker 3:French is good. Hey, you know, with me, as always, is dw3, but also also, I'm gonna say, the beauty of scolarius, my queen consort, my baby. Say hello, hello, it's her, she's here. The queen consort is here. Do you know why she's here? Because last week, last week, I said on the show I was like, hey, guess what, next week, me and the dubs, we're going to paris, because we're going to go to the paris and we're going to go to the catacombs and whatnot. And I was like I can't go to paris without my queen consort, I can't go there without her, especially like why would I just be going with dw? We're not a couple, but me and her are.
Speaker 1:So therefore, we're, we're all gonna pack up okay, in just a.
Speaker 3:therefore, we're all going to pack up. Okay, In just a little bit, we're going to pack our bags and we're going to go across the pond and we're going to Paris. Yeah, Alright, but first we have to do what we do on this show every single week, and that is what you drink at DW.
Speaker 4:Oh, so today's is the Not your Father's Roof Beer beer. So I've got a couple more of these. I'm I haven't bought any. Uh, I haven't replenished my um wine cellar in a while, so I'm just trying to drink up what I have. So I still got a few more of these, still got a few more of the mountain dews and, uh, then I'll have to go to the um big liquor, I think it's called, and see what they have.
Speaker 3:So they know you first name basis no oh heck, no, no oh, it's the dubs. Hey, you come here for your seltzer. Oh big guy.
Speaker 4:No, no, not at all.
Speaker 3:All right. Well, I asked you what you're drinking, so now I have to turn it to my lovely queen consort, my future bride. We are documented now, which is awesome what we're documented. We have a document.
Speaker 5:It's not notarized.
Speaker 3:You're a notary Sign the damn thing.
Speaker 5:You can't notarize your own crap.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, he's a notary, he could do it no he's not.
Speaker 4:I am not.
Speaker 3:You're not even a notary. Why would I be a notary? What do you do, man? Okay, let's move on.
Speaker 4:What are you drinking, baby? What did you put in my bottle?
Speaker 3:oh geez it's a crystal light of some sort yes, she's gonna be very sleepy by the end of this episode it's gonna be. Oh, this is gonna be great, it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 4:All right, ten minutes into it, are we done? I want to go to bed it is past my bedtime of course there, yes, 7, 41 as we're recording.
Speaker 3:Okay, so, and of course, there we go, and you know what that is diet coke it's thc, thc beverage, of course, diet coke, okay, yeah. So what's been happening? Dubs, how are you today?
Speaker 4:um, doing all right. I was trying to think back, wasn't it this time last week? It was insanely cold and school was canceled and or wait a minute, no, yeah, it was a holiday, so there was no school it was tuesday tuesday tuesday school was canceled, but today is like incredibly warm, so very warm now extremely warm.
Speaker 3:Actually, it is ungodly hot where I'm sitting right now. Um, I am profusely sweating as I'm just talking and, um, I have to wear my my quote-unquote pajamas, which is like, just you know, jason vorhees, house pants and a shirtless shirt shirt, wait. Sleeveless.
Speaker 4:Shirtless shirt wait shirt, shirt, shirtless shirt is just not a shirt, yeah lord knows we don't need that.
Speaker 3:So anyway, um, and I'm, I'm sweating, still sweating. I'm literally I'm in my home and I'm hot, like some sort of animal that has to live out. I don't know like it's. I don't deserve this. I I tried to have the garage door open during the recording, but I have the queen concert over here in four sweaters um, a hat, a pair of gloves, a blanket and the heater on underneath the table for some reason, I don't know why okay, hold on, but are you sweating? Yes, I'm sweating, okay, anyways so is it hotter upstairs?
Speaker 3:I don't know, I haven't. Yeah, I went up there for about 45 seconds as it changed into into the attire that I was talking about, you know, with the shirtless shirt and um. So uh, it was. Yeah, it's a little warm up there, but it's very warm down here, yeah so how are you gonna get any sleep if you know your bedroom's upstairs?
Speaker 3:so it's gonna be so hot up there well, I sleep naked, dw, just full on, no, nothing, just absolutely starfishing all over the bed naked. That's how I do it, like the french do hang on um queen concert.
Speaker 4:Since you're actually here, you can um, you can fact check all this stuff that he says, and so if he says something not true, you can stop him. Does he actually do that?
Speaker 5:he's not completely naked, but he does sprawl out on my side of the bed and, like elbows, are in my face at night and sometimes they'll flip over and snore right in my face to be fair, you are in my way you're only entitled to half the bed. You're only entitled to half the bed, so it's half. So it's half, never my half. Tell them how you find me when you wake up, where am I in?
Speaker 3:on the bed?
Speaker 5:um, usually halfway off of it, which it's kind of funny in a way, but not really there's sometimes my I'm literally balancing, using my nightstand to balance to stay on my eighth of the bed that's just because she's trying to get away from me, and there's no getting away from me, as everyone should know why do I have the feeling that you guys are going to become the couple that have two separate beds? We do. He has his old bed and I'm why don't you go try that bed?
Speaker 4:And he's like no, you're going to have the room down the hall and yeah, we're going to have the two separate twin beds.
Speaker 5:Oh, that sounds amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, separate twin beds. You know we're going to have the two separate twin beds and I'm going to be like, hey, baby, tonight's the night we put those beds together, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:A twin bed would be more than I have now, so exactly, yeah, yeah whatever, I don't know what we're doing here.
Speaker 3:This is just we're going to paris and you're sitting there talking crap. This is the most romantic city in the world and you are just absolutely you're being mean to me both of you this.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah. We're never going to get to Paris. You and me. Yeah, exactly who are you romancing.
Speaker 3:I'm romancing you. I'm going to be sneering at him as you call him, boo Boo. It's going to make me mad, all right, so.
Speaker 4:This is why I thought it'd be funny to have that other guest host we were talking about, so we could have more people against you.
Speaker 3:That would guest host we were talking about, so we could have like more people against you. That would be. It's probably in the uh in the works. I only call him boo-boo at work, it's okay. Uh, don't like it either way. All right, we have things to do before we get going on this, before we pack our bags and go to go to wonderful, awesome, amazing gay paris. Someday we shall all make it on those a full movie. Um, first I have to bring this up there is a new t-shirt and hoodie in our collection on crowd made dw. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4:oh gosh, um, it's not the um, is it the offensive one? If I'm offensive, I can't remember if that's new, or was that yes?
Speaker 3:it's brand new and it is basically 100 and I quote I'm not trying to offend you, but I don't care if I do. And it's quote buy me and you can get the hoodie or the t-shirt and they're pretty awesome. If you don't care, listen, I know this. I see the analytics. Okay, I know we have a lot of gen x listeners and if you you're with me, you gen xers, I know this. You don't care if you offend people either, and if that's the case, if that's the case, then you need to go to crowdmatecom forward slash collections, forward slash sclarious pod and you get that hoodie or t-shirt, plus plus variety of many other things, which include DW.
Speaker 4:Include more shirts and phone cases, mugs, leashes, collars, dog bowls, hats.
Speaker 3:There's a lot, there's a lot, there is a lot and it's a lot of really cool stuff. You can get DWs here's the thing T-shirt which is a quote that he does all the time. Then there's also the scleros three 16 t-shirt and everybody's like why are you doing scleros three 16? That's so weird. It's because we just entertained your ass. Here it's sc. We just entertained your ass here, galerius. That's why and obviously the DW's favorite t-shirt I know for a fact is I have no idea who John Olsen is. That t-shirt and hoodie, that is a good one, yeah.
Speaker 4:Well, and I like the phrase more than anything. I bet you do.
Speaker 3:But you know it's really cool. It's really cool Tonight's this or that. That can't happen, baby, because both of you know exactly who I am. So yeah, just throwing that out there.
Speaker 4:What do you mean? Well, it can't. We can still choose the other person Exactly yeah, we can't say we don't know who John Olsen is, but we still can pick, you know, Ted Kaczynski or whoever the person is going to be.
Speaker 3:I don't like where this is going, but it's okay, all right, okay, and what I feel is probably the best T-shirt that we have, you know, is the.
Speaker 3:You can find us together but we're not a couple yep, that t-shirt right there at crowdmadecom, forward slash collections, forward slash scolarius pod. And if you're doing all that, and then you're hey, I have this t-shirt and, oh man, I had this dog bone, dog bone, I have this dog bowl and I'm going to take my dog out for a walk with my, with my scoliosis leash, and I'm sitting there thinking to myself ah geez, what are we doing? Or I wonder what John's doing. You can find out. You can find out just by going and finding us. Like you can find DW At DW Syrian Comedian on Facebook. You can find me at John Olsen Comedian 2.0 on Facebook. You can find us both together on Facebook.
Speaker 4:But we're not a couple.
Speaker 3:We're not a couple. You can find us at the Scalarius page. Also, we do have a couple. You can find us at the Scalarius page Also, we do have a TikTok. It's Scalarius8. It's Scalarius on Instagram. Or you could email us at ScalariusPod at gmailcom. And if you want to only if you want to you can go to Scalariuspodbuzzsproutcom and listen to every single episode that we have of Scolarius. You can do that. You can. But as you guys are doing that myself, my queen, consort, consort and the dubs we're packing our bags and we are flying over the atlantic and we're gonna land right now in paris. Freaking france, let's go to Paris, guys. And when we're there, let's look up, well, look down, Go down Beneath the city of Paris to the catacombs. What do you think? Huh, should we? All? Right, I'm good, let's go back home.
Speaker 4:What do you think, huh Shall, we All right, I'm good, let's go back home.
Speaker 3:I mean, I can see why you would say that DW the catacombs, I hear, are a pretty scary place.
Speaker 4:Yeah, okay, whatever, yeah Okay.
Speaker 3:It is sincerely. It is ranked one of the top haunted places in the world, okay, okay, it's ironic that it's one of the top haunted places in the world because there's only one real ghost story that comes out of it. But several hundred people over the years actually several hundred people probably every decade over the years have, you know, said they experienced voices, touching, seen apparitions and all that stuff down there in the catacombs. So we're going to get to that stuff, the hauntings and everything. So we're going to get to that stuff, the hauntings and everything. But we have to go through some of the history of the catacombs. And not only are we going to go to the Paris catacombs, we're going to leave Paris, we're going to drive our way. Drive, yeah, we could drive there from Paris. Yeah, we can. Okay, I'm not really good on geography, but I'm pretty sure we can get there. Or driving.
Speaker 3:Shut up. So, anyway, we can leave Paris and we're gonna drive our asses all the way to Italy and we're gonna go to see some catacombs there too.
Speaker 4:Do we have to drive? That's a long drive.
Speaker 3:Fine, I'll get another flight, you happy?
Speaker 4:Okay, perfect, we'll fly over there Are we sitting next to each other. Because I don't want to.
Speaker 5:You can have the window seat.
Speaker 3:It's not the window.
Speaker 4:It's just I don't want to be away from, I don't want to hear your marriage issues and all that. We don't have marriage issues Well, not yet, because you're not married.
Speaker 5:He's going to take part of your seat too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, what if you fall asleep on the flight and you starfish in? Your seats and the stewardess, sir, sir, excuse me, sir.
Speaker 3:They weren't even asking the questions why I'm naked? Just sir, you can't starfish, they don't care, I'm naked, naked starfishing.
Speaker 4:Ladies and gentlemen, we have to return to the gate. There's a naked man starfishing in his seat. I'm going to have to call the local police and have him removed from the flight this is how I sleep. Thank you for flying united united.
Speaker 3:I ain't made of money, we're going spirit we're not gonna make it then he won't be the only one naked, then. Spirit Airlines is like the Greyhound bus of the sky.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:It's like a Greyhound with wings is what I've heard. Okay, so we're not going to get Spirit Airlines to do any sponsorships for us? I think it would be great that they did. You know what. They're right. You know what.
Speaker 4:If they want to fly me to Paris, I might change my mind, and then next week I'll be saying Spirit is a great place that is true the homeless people are very classy on that flight.
Speaker 5:Not difficult at all.
Speaker 3:No, they are not difficult waves at all we got there on time.
Speaker 4:It was crazy.
Speaker 3:All right, so all right, queen, consort, me and you are going to romantically stroll in Paris on our ways to the catacombs, with the difficile wave here, and so let's, let's, let's do this, shall we?
Speaker 3:yeah all right. I'm sure our listeners, by this point, have already shut us off. So it's all good, it's fine, all right. So we're gonna, like I said, we're gonna start at the catacombs of paris, which is honestly, which is really funny, the, the parisian way of pronouncing it is catacomb de paris, right, catacomb de paris. Uh, most people may know this, but I'm going to let you know anyway. Six million human remains are down there, the human remains of six million people. Now, to put that to scale, that's two cities of Chicago, ooh, chicago, the windy city, my favorite place. Two cities worth of people, two Chicago cities worth of people down in the catacombs. You want to know how the catacombs started, dw? You know why they're there, six million people down in the catacombs. You want to know how the catacombs started, dw.
Speaker 4:You know. You know why they're there.
Speaker 3:Six million people died in the same spot and they're like, hey, let's bury him here I mean kind of, yeah, that's, that's almost exactly how it went, but there's a little difference there. First of all, uh, there was like overcrowding of the cemeteries because like six million people died, right. So their idea was they were going to take this mine that was underneath the city, right, it's like a mine shaft or whatever. And they're like, hey, we're just going to put these people that's overcrowding cemeteries in this mine. Nobody's going to care. You know, that's what they were thinking Nobody, nobody's going to care.
Speaker 5:You know, that's what they were thinking nobody, nobody's going to care at all. But they also might have been thinking that they want to relieve congestion and improve sanitation. Perhaps I'm just making that up who knows who's making one up.
Speaker 3:All right, but as we both said in just two different ways, is that it was built to consolidate the human remains of everybody that's there and stop the congestion of the cemeteries and to help with, like at that time I'm thinking it was after the plague, right, I mean, the plague didn't kill all these people, but it was after the plague. Well, there's been other cities where it affects groundwater oh yeah, I think it was london oh, yeah, yeah, so put it below the groundwater there we go, all right.
Speaker 3:So basically, you know, in 1774 is when it actually started to. They started to prepare for the uh for this happening, with, like a series of like basement wall collapses happened, um, at the holy immaculate cemetery, okay, and it added a sense of urgency. They, they needed to hurry up and get this stuff going. So they like just started moving in by 1788. There was nightly processions of covered wagons that were taken these bones, these remains, to the catacombs, nightly processions of several covered wagons. They're just moving the stuff. Okay, kind of crazy. Can you imagine that, seeing that I mean, it's 1788, so like nowadays you'd just be like looking out the window and seeing a hearse go by. But back then, like pretty much done in secrecy, in the veil of night, right, I mean, they were trying to get it to where the people of Paris weren't terrified because they were moving all these bodies.
Speaker 5:Feasible.
Speaker 3:But, yeah, they decided to move them all into this mine shaft. Therefore, bada boom, the catacombs were born, but it didn't become a thing until a little bit later on, like I think it actually opened up in 1810 or something like that, where they started like, uh, recognizing it as a cemetery of some sort, and actually people have been buried there throughout the years, even after, you know, opening up. There's a lot of other cool stuff that goes on down there. You could look at it cool in a couple different ways. Like there's a bunch of cults and stuff that that do sacrifices and whatnot down down in there because they believe that they're closer to hell. Um, I don't know, that's, that's. That's kind of a weird thing. Uh, in like 2010, I believe 2010, I believe Paris police found a full movie theater down there, what With seats and a big screen.
Speaker 5:How much was admission?
Speaker 3:Four bones so much cheaper. Pick up the bones on the way over.
Speaker 4:And they were playing Magic Mike, or what was the.
Speaker 3:They didn't say exactly what it was.
Speaker 4:A whole new world. Yeah, it just seemed too fitting to have it or some horror movie going on. It probably was as above.
Speaker 3:the board was as above trying to think of, like you know, children's movies or the notebook or something as I said, it could have been as above so below which is actually a movie based on the catacombs, which a little fun fact for any of those who care it is the only movie that's ever been allowed to film in the catacombs, um, so I mean, there's that obviously, um, and it was in the catacombs. They were given special like consideration. Uh, there's a scene with a piano in it. Um, they, they moved the piano down there. They were given consideration for that. And there's a scene with a car and a car burning, also actually in the catacombs. They were given consideration for that, but it's the only movie ever filmed there. And um, cast and crew have said again, voices, apparitions, touching things like that were happening as they were filming this movie about essentially this said Descension, the Descension into hell.
Speaker 3:So I'll get you in character, so I'm grabbing your ponytail or worse, right scratching your back oh, oh, that'd be nice actually you're weirdo I mean, I'm not welcoming it in any way, but if ghosts was gonna scratch really over yeah, I could see you, okay.
Speaker 5:I I know I'm drawing blood, but can you go to the left?
Speaker 3:I have an itchy back.
Speaker 4:It happens all right, so it's too hard. I'm bleeding too hard, I Too hard.
Speaker 5:No, he'd be like harder, harder. Got some ribs, that's okay, harder.
Speaker 3:My back itches, it's quite all right. So a lot of notable people were buried in the catacombs. I guess I don't know Notable to who? I don't really know. But I mean, there's people and I'm sure I'm going to name off some of these people, and I know for a fact my lovely queen consort is going to know some of these people and probably tell me I'm wrong in some way of trying to pronounce their name. This one's pretty easy. Charlotte corday. Uh, she was buried 1793. Um, I have no idea what this is. 22 Giordano's. Among them is Jacques-Pierre Brisset. Pierre Victorine von der Gold, I have no idea. Louis-philippe II, duke of Orleans, madame Roland, madame du Barry. Jacques Hebert, duke of orleans uh, madame roland, madame dubari, jacques hebert, uh. George shock donton. Camille dasmullins. Philippe fab, I don't know. Fabra del Elegdon I have no idea what that one is. Whatever. Marie Jean Herald de Lucille, duplessis, duplessis.
Speaker 4:No, I don't know, I'm just.
Speaker 3:Thanks, I actually thought, maybe you knew and I was like oh wow, cool I was impressed for like half a second.
Speaker 5:I should have just kept it out I thought he was just making these names up and you validated one but here's the thing.
Speaker 4:So here's the secret conviction. You just need to say it with, just say it with confidence, and and it sounds right. So when you say vaudeleur, it sounds wrong, okay. But if you say chaque vaudeleur, it sounds right, because you just plow right through it.
Speaker 3:That's true.
Speaker 4:So that's why me correcting you sounded right, because I said it so convincingly.
Speaker 3:That's true, you know, but it's bad. My, I guess, french I learned from Pepe Le Pew, so I mean, that's what I said earlier Like, oh, marceli, we shall run naked under the full moon. All right, antoine Lauret de la Vecée, there we go. Madame Elizabeth, sister of King Louis the, what the hell? Louis XIV, louis XV, nope, that's not right. Louis XVI, louis XVIII and Charles X, queen Consort, are you familiar with them, louis the?
Speaker 5:16th, louis the 18th and Charles the 10th Queen Consort. Are you familiar with them? My French history is not what it should be. It's not my British royal history.
Speaker 3:Exactly. There we go. If this was the catacombs of London, we would have had this baby nailed. Francois Henry Ha, I did, I did it. No, that's not right. Whatever. Maximilien robocet, louise, antoine des saintes juice, georges corton and antoine semen.
Speaker 5:I wish I could make eye contact with DW right now no, you don't alright.
Speaker 3:So we did talk about it was 2004. By the way, it was a fully equipped movie theater in the area of the catacombs. Underneath the truck of their gay is equipped with a giant cinema screen, seats for the audience, projection equipment, film reels of recent thrillers and film noir classics, a fully stocked bar and a complete restaurant with tables and chairs wow so not disney.
Speaker 4:No, it says the group leij group took responsibility for the installation, so I don't know who that is it makes me wonder, like did they have like a secret knock to get down there, or how did that all work?
Speaker 3:that's very interesting it is, uh, there's not a whole lot about it other than that. So I don't know, like apparently you, it was an illegal operation, which is, which is crazy, because it's a movie theater. It wasn't, you know, running drugs, it was people watching movies. So I don't know, it was kind of odd, all right. And despite the fact that this thing's been around for 230 years or so, there's only been one reported death one, yeah, which is crazy because you would feel that there would be a whole lot of it, that there would be a whole lot of it, you know, death when it comes to, you know, but just one reported and okay, somebody who got lost and disoriented yeah, basically his name is.
Speaker 3:Here we go. We're gonna do this again. This is great. It's like the Japanese episode. Man, I can't say any of this. Fedebert Esper.
Speaker 4:Espart.
Speaker 3:No, I'm just kidding. There we go. He was a doorkeeper for the Val de Grace Hospital. He died in the catagomes. Basically, he lost his light source and just couldn't find his way out and he died. That was 1793. In 1804, which was obviously 11 years later, his body was found only a few meters away from the staircase in which he could have gotten out. So it was pitch black and he couldn't see like a few meters. So you're talking three feet is a meter. We're obviously doing the metric system, since we're over in Paris. So he was between three and what, 12 feet away from this ladder or staircase which would have got him out, and he sat there and he died. He was only identified by the hospital key ring and the buttons on his jacket. That was it.
Speaker 5:Oh, oh, so it was a while yeah 11 years.
Speaker 3:11 years yeah so it's the only reported death. Now there are people that supposedly went missing, found like a video camera and things like that, but it's not 100 like 100 like documented, like true, um, as far as well, you know, as as far as people know, essentially, uh, yeah the freaking catacombs dw.
Speaker 4:What do you? What do you think would you go there? Um well, if spirit airlines is gonna pay for my flight to paris, then yeah, I might consider it but otherwise you wouldn't go.
Speaker 3:There's so many different things to do in paris. You can go to the louvre is that it right? You can go to the trocadero is that it right? You can go to that big thing, the replica, the thing they have in vegas yeah, you feel towery yeah, vegas has it right.
Speaker 3:The replicas in france, all right, so that thing. And then you know the catacombs, but, most importantly, you can go to pierre lecce, which is a cemetery, and you can go over into the poet section and make your. You know, you can go over there and pay your respects to oscar wilde and stuff like that. Or you can go see the guy, the man, the lead singer of the doors, the true, the true American rock star, jim Morrison. He's buried in the poet section of Pierre Lachaise. And the people in Paris that are listening to this you already know that You've probably been there and it's probably badass. And, if you have, take pictures of what you get and send it to us at sclerospotgmailcom or just right below where it says send your co-ghost a note. Do that? Yeah, it'd be awesome. I Post a note. Do that? Yeah, it'd be awesome. I'd like to see it. I'd like to see it. I'd like to see it for real, baby. So when we're done with this, we're gonna take a walk down the pier of the chain.
Speaker 5:You know I'm just gonna stay at the hotel and you and DW can go look Count the hyperdermic needles on Jim Morrison's headstone.
Speaker 3:That's not right, just because we saw one.
Speaker 5:I. It's not right. Just because we saw one, I mean not together, we saw one on a video, in fact, because I said Hyperdermic Needles.
Speaker 3:Dw's out. It was bad enough. We took him to a pot show Hyperdermic Needles. Send him overboard.
Speaker 5:We go to the pot show first. Break him down a little bit. And then you work into the Hyperdermic Needles.
Speaker 4:Maybe on our way to the paris catacombs we should stop in amsterdam, right dw I I mean I, I guess we might as well, because it's not, I mean no different than here, now that that's legal so that's not true.
Speaker 3:Amsterdam's way better, I bet it's way better. And the restrict? There's not restrictions on it. So oh, hang on your hat. It'd be good stuff, very good, all right. So we talked about the, the, the history, a little bit of of the catacombs. We started talking a little bit of the hauntings, but I did. I did end up finding a couple more things, but before we go to that, I do have to take it over here to my lovely queen contour, because I can see it was right there anyway. So do you have anything? What do you got on on the catacombs, anything that I missed?
Speaker 3:yes, I as a matter of fact, you missed everything.
Speaker 5:Well, I didn't know, I was going to be on a podcast tonight, so I only had a few half hours to prepare. How long did?
Speaker 3:I prepare.
Speaker 5:Huh.
Speaker 3:Nothing Go ahead.
Speaker 5:And I didn't want to sit here not saying anything or not having anything to add. So I did a little bit of research about other catacombs and I'm just going to go with my first and foremost favorite, the Capuchin catacombs, which are in Palermo, italy, and there they have 8,000 bodies and mostly it started off as priests and friars and whatnot, and over time they were letting in different classes and you could literally go in and pick out your little niche in the wall and what they do is they're not bones, they're actually whole people, still dressed in their Sunday best, and you can see the age over time. And they're for the most part in the same stage of decay. But some are worse than others, maybe missing a jaw, but, you know, a leg whatever. Their most famous I'm going to go ahead and call it is a little two-year-old girl. I think she was two years old, rosalia Lombardo, and she died in 1920 of the Spanish flu and her father was so heartbroken he went to a local chemist and said I want her to be preserved forever, and they're not 100% sure what kind of embalming concoction he made, but she is just hardly decaying at all from passing away in 1920. And she is a beautiful little girl and I did watch a documentary years ago about the catacombs and how they are looking to preserve them further by adjusting, like the humidity, and just making it optical I can't optimal so the decay slows down throughout the as it ages, as it ages. So that is my favorite.
Speaker 5:And so if you look up Capuchin catacombs in Palermo, there's some wonderful pictures of what I'm talking about. There's another one, the Capuchin crypt, so the Capuchin friars. They know how to hang up bodies. There's 4,000. And eventually, again, other social groups were able to participate and get buried there. But these are bones Again, they're not whole corpses and they will actually make crosses, chalices and chandeliers out of the body parts, out of the bones. Not my favorite, but still. That's in Rome, italy. And then I just wanted to throw one more in there and I'm going to butcher this, but not as bad as he butchered everything. There's the Kutna Hora in the Czech Republic. There is 40,000, mostly plague victims. Monks stacked the bones 400 years ago as a reminder that church is a community of both living and dead. And let me just circle back around to Palermo. They have a quote we were what you are and you will become what we are now, which is kind of a mind fuck.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 5:I mean it's kind of a piggyback off of.
Speaker 3:We were alive, now we're dead. I mean, that's what they're saying.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. And then, to circle back back around, you said the monks know how to really hang up bodies yeah, it's kind of like hanging beef jerky. I was gonna say a little jack links the italians over there it's like a meat on the hook there's no meat left.
Speaker 5:Google the pictures. That's cool. You won't be disappointed, unless if you're disappointed.
Speaker 3:Yes, if you want to be disappointed or don't be disappointed, continue listening.
Speaker 4:You won't be disappointed, unless you're disappointed. I don't mean to offend you, but I don't care if I do.
Speaker 3:That's true, that is. Tell me sincerely, everybody is listening. Dw queen consort. If that does not like absolutely 100, epitomize myself. I mean that is me right to a t be disappointed or don't I mean that too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, everyone who meets you is either disappointed or not, that's pretty much, I don't know where you're going with that I meant like the I don't mean, I mean that too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, everyone who meets you is either disappointed or not, exactly.
Speaker 5:That's pretty much it.
Speaker 3:I didn't know where you were going with that I meant like I don't mean to offend you that works too, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5:He was worried we were going to gang up on him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can handle you two. I have no problem with this.
Speaker 5:We haven't started yet.
Speaker 3:All right, so you want to hear some legends of the Paris catacombs? That's pretty cool. We took a little side trip. We did go to Italy. It was a lot of fun. We had some wine a little bit, we had some spaghetti.
Speaker 4:I'd rather go to Italy. So why are we leaving so quickly?
Speaker 3:Because For my flight here. I want to spend some time. Yeah, I mean, we're not even here, blame him.
Speaker 4:We're not even on this trip for 10 minutes and already we don't like john because he's telling us to leave and we didn't want to.
Speaker 5:So we hardly stayed in the czech republic can we eat?
Speaker 4:I mean, I wanted to eat while we were in italy I mean sure you did you always. I always talk about you know going to a haunted bakery. We're in Italy. Now Can I have some pizza?
Speaker 3:Seriously, you don't buy pizza at bakeries, right?
Speaker 4:I know that you buy it in Italy. You doofus Jeez.
Speaker 5:Just get him some Pizza Hut and let's go, okay.
Speaker 4:Travel to Italy to have McDonald's or's or something.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they have alcohol there get in the car, dw.
Speaker 3:There's pizza on the way back.
Speaker 5:We have pizza at home I'll be there yet I want the pizza at home geez.
Speaker 3:All right. So you want to hear more about paris? I want to go back to paris.
Speaker 4:That's a romantic yes, we've left italy now, so what are we talking about in paris? I'll turn this plane around if I have to get a croissant yeah, you have a croissant.
Speaker 3:Me and the lovely queen cancer will do romantic things and one of the romantic things we're going to do is we're going to go down into the catacombs again because it's a lot of fun. And I don't know if you know this or not, but the Queen Consort and myself are kind of like taffophiles. We like cemeteries. It's pretty badass. So the catacombs will be a whole lot of fun, but at the same time, if there's any energy down there, that's going to be a little bit wonky. The Queen concert is going to need to leave in a freaking hurry because otherwise it's going to be bad. Don't like it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, not good. All right, so when we're down in the catacombs, we're there. We're there because we want the paranormal stuff, we want the fun paranormal stories and, like I said, there's not a whole lot of them, but we're going to go over just a few of them right now. Um, obviously we've been talking about this. You know people who have gone on tours in the cat. By the way, it's just a little sidetrack there the catacombs do have tours. They have them daily. Uh, they started 9 45 in the morning in paris, so I have no idea what time that is in accordance to us. I think it's either is it eight hours in the other direction, is it? Is it the next day there now, or is it previous?
Speaker 3:considering it's 8, 22 here now I'd like to think that's tomorrow okay, I don't know wait.
Speaker 5:I didn't know this was going to be on the test.
Speaker 3:I didn't know it was either. I was just asking You're in front of us, right? Because if New York is an hour ahead of us, so they're continuing ahead, so they're literally next week.
Speaker 4:Paris is 3.23 am tomorrow.
Speaker 3:Yep, okay, so they have the tours there. It's basically the museums of Paris, the people who run the Louvre and, I believe, the Trocadero and things like that. Basically they run it right. So, because it is a historical landmark with obviously some dark shit attached to it. But you know, whatever the people that go on the tours, they say that you know, they've seen apparitions, like literally seen people in these caves, like literally seeing people in these caves.
Speaker 3:Another thing we want to say about the catacombs is only part of that actually has bones in it. I mean, yeah, there's six million people that are buried there, but only part of the catacombs have bones in them. The other part are just like tunnels that weave all around and down and around in paris and I think, uh, leading to the river, if I remember right, or something like that too. It's it's quite, it's quite crazy people that live in paris and have been down there. You can tell us exactly what it's like, or whatever. But or if anybody's actually been there and toured it, you could tell us what it's like too. Um, it's something I would like to do, like I said, in the near future. Gotta go to paris, take the queen consort, maybe dw, we'll fly spirit and then we'll, because it'll be like we'll fly spirit airlines. It'll be like 25 for the ticket and, yeah, 45 round trip, probably exactly what it would be, anyway.
Speaker 3:But the people that have been on these tours say they've seen apparitions, heard voices and felt being touched, pony tails getting tugged backs getting scratched, you know all that good stuff. There's a legend that says, though, that after midnight the walls speak and try to convince the visitors to go deeper into the catacombs, which is kind of ironic because if that's the case, they took that legend and they put it in the movie as above, so below. So, dw, have you seen the movie? As above, so below. So, dw, have you seen the movie as above, so below? No, you should watch it, it's not too bad. It's one of those found footage films, so the camera moves around a lot, you know, and all that, but it's still. It's still pretty cool.
Speaker 3:Um, all right. So obviously we already talked about the hospital doorman. I'm going to try to say his name again Philibert Asper. Okay, it's kind of funny. Anyway, he disappeared down there. They found him feet away from the place. He would have got up, but 11 years he spent down there there, which is ironic in a way, though. Think about this are you telling me nobody went from the hospital downstairs into that area for 11 years?
Speaker 4:maybe it's kind of crazy, maybe in that area, I don't know. I don't know how big it is I mean, I'm assuming.
Speaker 3:It's really like if he lost his light source he couldn't see anything. So I'm assuming it was just absolute pitch black. So if anybody was going down there they would have had a light source, right. So I would assume that unless they didn't look in the direction that he was in, that nobody was down there for 11 years.
Speaker 5:Well, it depends how far he was wandering.
Speaker 3:Well, he was only several meters away from the but that doesn't say how far.
Speaker 5:I suppose that makes sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it's no different than I mean, to be honest, where we're sitting right now, to the garage door, you know what I mean. So I mean, unless the light source was that dim that you know, they got to within, I guess, visual feet of him and where the you know the darkness laid, whatever, I don't know. Otherwise, you got to think that nobody went down there for 11 years and I just find that just odd, considering he wasn't that far or he was moved back either way well, and who knows how long.
Speaker 5:Here's the sad thing how long he was crawling or attempting to feel his way back, yeah, and he just gave up or or just died meters away. That's so sad. You were in the homestretch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's not good. And then also, obviously, six million people down there. A lot of people believe that they haunt these catacombs. There's a bunch of books. I believe that they're fiction, they could be um, these actually, I think, are non-fiction. It's ghosts of the catacombs by donna, a book about the parisian catacombs, I believe, like whatever. And then haunted catacombs by lee mountford, a book about the series um of all the catacombs by Lee Mountford, a book about the series um of all the catacombs. Now, yeah, what is DW? What's your take on these things? You're talking six million people, 6 million people buried in one spot and like I can't remember the exact space that it is, but I mean, that's a lot of people, man. I think, like what is it? Lakewood? Lakewood Cemetery is quite large and it has tens of thousands of people there or something like that. It's nowhere near that amount.
Speaker 5:Well, and it's not as compact either when you think about how many people that you can stack on top of. I mean, just picture how many femurs you can get into a small area versus neatly separated plots in a cemetery.
Speaker 4:That's true, right, yeah.
Speaker 3:All right, so you ready, because I got the dimensions, that dimensions of the parish catacombs, ready.
Speaker 4:Okay, all right.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 3:Okay, it stretches over 280 kilometers, cause you know we're talking about. Yeah, Right. Which is 174 miles.
Speaker 5:Wow, what percent. So let's say what percent of that is actually4 miles? Wow, what percent of that is actually catacombs or like with bones?
Speaker 3:The official section of the catacombs is 1.7 kilometers long. Okay.
Speaker 4:So if you're talking that big, then it's not so weird that there was some part of it that wasn't explored for 11 years. So because, if it's that massive, right, I'm guessing, I'm guessing that's not the only way out. And there are several other entrances and exits that people used and other places of it that were used, so if it's that massive, that would explain why there's someone could be down there for that long.
Speaker 3:My thing is is that it was so he was found meters from that staircase that he went down. That's the thing, like you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5:that's, that's why yeah, you know I'm guessing people back then have an aversion to going down there too that it was right traffic. Like they had the same fears and aversions that we have now it's not.
Speaker 4:It wasn't a tourist attraction back then.
Speaker 3:Right Now there's tours every day. So you want to talk about how you get down there. Sure. Let's talk about how you get down there. First of all, it's a staircase and it's 131 steps.
Speaker 5:Is there an elevator up?
Speaker 4:Escalator.
Speaker 3:I'm counting the steps up to our room. Do you need to? Take your shoes off for this. Shut up, that's 16 steps. So you're talking 10 times that. Roughly, I mean not quite, but kind of. So eight times eight and a half times those steps. I mean it's not horrible, it's not too bad. Walked up a lot before, but going back up is 112, which is kind of weird. The entrance is here we go. This is going to be hard to say is Place Denver Rochero.
Speaker 5:What's that mean?
Speaker 3:I don't know the Denver Rochero place is what it means.
Speaker 4:It means place of Rochero.
Speaker 3:Yeah, pretty much. A small green pavilion marks the entrance. And here's a little fun fact Only 200 visitors are allowed in the catacombs at any time that's probably crisis management.
Speaker 5:If something were to happen with the structure, I mean, you don't want too many people in there because they they say that you know it's cracking it, they might have small cave-ins. So I I would imagine that they don't want to have too many people in there to rescue if something happens and that's the thing they were talking about, uh, at one point.
Speaker 3:If there are places in there that have obviously depths of water, there are places in there where the ceilings are not exactly 100 like good and they could collapse at any time. There's places in there where the walls are falling in and bones are hitting people and stuff oh my god, you don't come back from that no, so the catacombs are one of the largest grave sites in the world. We obviously talked about the other other catacombs that we have heard of.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but nobody came close to 6 million.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:I mean the other one was Checker.
Speaker 3:Club at 40,000. So one of I'd like to know what the largest is.
Speaker 5:Well, they're yeah.
Speaker 3:Are they talking?
Speaker 5:That's no. Okay. The catacombs are all over. I mean, I was just kind of Googling, and Egypt.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the Egyptian ones.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'd like to know what if six million is one of the largest. I'd like to know what the largest is.
Speaker 5:You're literally holding your phone.
Speaker 3:You should, yeah, I should be able to look at this. It's okay, I'm gonna look, but here I'm gonna check it and we're gonna find, have that answer here in just a couple minutes, um, a couple of minutes. Obviously you know the catacombs. We talked about this earlier. They were built in the 18th century to relocate the remains. Um, it's a unique perspective on Paris has passed, because obviously all those people I mean they died somehow. It doesn't go over the exact causes of death, but some of them are from the, uh, french Revolution, uh, a lot of them, I think was the first plague, the one that took out, like all of Europe. Yeah, the bubonic one, was that the first? I mean the bat, that was the bad one, right?
Speaker 3:black death, yeah yeah, okay, so that one. You know, I would assume a lot of that. And then, obviously, in the early 20th century we had the um flu, the spanish flu and whatever, so that took a lot of people out. It wasn't all horrific deaths, but a lot of them were. A couple of those people that we talked about earlier were, let's just say this, their body and their skull are probably two different places down there. They are, anyway, pretty much so. Another little fun fact, and maybe this I don't know, maybe we can a woman's perspective here. We have a woman's perspective DW. We don't have DW's perspective. We have a woman's perspective here. Yeah, and your queen concert as well. Perspective here.
Speaker 4:And your Queen concert as well.
Speaker 3:So I'm going to say this and then I want to know the thoughts on why this would be the way it is. The tour is not recommended for those with limited mobility, which I mean, obviously, because you're down there, you don't know what it is Pregnant women or people with claustrophobia, so why not pregnant women?
Speaker 4:you're physically limited or wouldn't, wouldn't there be chemicals and weird stuff emitting from the decomposition Dink?
Speaker 5:and wet.
Speaker 4:Right, that would harm a fetus. I wonder if that's it. That's my thought.
Speaker 5:Mold would definitely be a an issue mold okay but again, if there's like a medical emergency at that time they have to drag somebody you know and, and I'm guessing, for the tour they don't go ridiculously deep, but kind of a why risk it? Kind of thing.
Speaker 3:It's very true. I can see that I can understand the claustrophobia because, like that, first of all it's probably a tiny space because those are old mine shafts and everything. Second of all, all the bones that are there probably makes it a little bit more, makes it look like oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:And if there is a cave in, you're not only risking the life of the mother, but that of the fetus so well I just kind of wonder also if it's like the same reason you can't travel if you're so many months pregnant.
Speaker 4:They don't want to have to deal with delivering a child in that situation. Oh that's true too.
Speaker 5:What a story, though. So where were you born?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Paris Catacombs.
Speaker 5:There's the circle of life there Life and death.
Speaker 4:This is our son Bones, tell him how you got that name, son.
Speaker 3:It'd be funny, probably like crazily would inadvertently, I don't know stop a curse or something from happening by a baby being born down there or something oh you know what I mean? Like it would just be, it'd be nuts. The other thing uh, this is another cool little fun fact, not really paranormal, but just a fun fact in general they can't have large foundations on top of the catacombs. So because they can't have large foundations on top of them, there's not very many big buildings there.
Speaker 5:Makes sense. Now they have to preserve what they put underneath, which means no structures, large structures on top of it yeah, all those people would be all like yeah lost forever.
Speaker 3:So we were talking earlier about, I was like the catacombs are one of the largest burial grounds in the world. So I wanted to see what the largest burial ground in the world was and that is, oh, again, this is going to be hard to do because I'm, I'm, my iraqi is really bad, okay, but it's worse than your french yeah, I would say that it's the wadi al salim. Oh, that makes sense. Cemetery in nahaf, iraq, and it's also known as the hectares, which is 3.54 square miles Okay, contains more than 6 million bodies.
Speaker 3:It has been in use since the 7th century wow um, it's the final resting place of many prophets, scientists and royals. Um, oh, this is gonna be hard. I shiite, is that right? Shiite Muslims Okay, a popular burial site for Shiite Muslims from Iraq and Iran, and is located near the Imam Ali Mosque, which contains the tomb of the first Shiite Imam. So, yeah, that is the largest burial site in the world.
Speaker 5:That is so old Valley of Peace. That's impressive.
Speaker 3:And again, there's remains of 6 million people in the catacombs. This says contains more than 6 million bodies. So question it says remains of 6 million. We're not talking full remains in most cases in the catacombs, because if that was the case, I mean the wording here is different. This one's bodies Catacombs says remains. I mean, are we splitting hairs or is there a reason for that? And this one would be the number one and then the catacombs would be one of the largest.
Speaker 5:I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's kind of weird. Kind of weird. I don't know. Did you hear that DW what the largest burial site in the world is?
Speaker 4:So is it more than? Well? They said more than 6 million, right, but wasn't Paris 6 million? My thinking is at that point. That's an estimate, so they're probably pretty close either way, Because I doubt anyone's counted all six million of them that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Are we splitting hairs when I'm saying remains and bodies? You know? Because, right, yeah, um, do you feel this is kind of weird? I know we're crossing different religions and things like that and I don't know what their beliefs are and things, but um, um, what do you feel the hauntings would be like in that cemetery in iraq, and would they even be like, talked about? I mean, it's not, I don't know. Is this still okay? It's not a communist country, right? No, not anymore. They was. They were liberated after hussein who knows?
Speaker 3:anyway. So it's not north korea they. If they somebody in north korea saw a ghost, they'd be like, oh no, no, that didn't happen um, I do.
Speaker 5:I. I don't remember what show it was on, but I do remember a uh, somebody in the us military on some sort of paranormal show talking about an experience they had in the middle east. Um, and I can't even remember what the entity was, but it happens everywhere. I think it was by a cemetery, but I don't think it was the big one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but um, but yeah, I think hauntings are pretty much across the board, with areas that are significantly more, if that makes sense, like equal opportunity, but there's just certain areas that are a magnet for it. So do you think that cemetery would be just as haunted or more haunted than the catacombs, and is the catacombs more or less?
Speaker 5:active than what people might actually say. I don't know how that would work. I don't know what makes one cemetery more haunted than another. I can think of situations like um, you know, place with high, something that really bad that happened, that there was high emotion unresolved, that might make something haunted. But cemetery to cemetery, who knows.
Speaker 3:Okay. So with that you know, you have 6 million people in the Paris catacombs. You don't know how they died. They died Some of them the French revolution, obviously, some of the flu, some of the plague, so all of them probably pretty horrific deaths. Perhaps, some of them boiling from the inside, some of them boiling on the outside, like yeah, not good, um, so I don't know if anybody heard that.
Speaker 3:Uh either, there's a military expedition going on motorcycle something's happening in the background, um, but also six million people in the other one, I would assume probably pretty horrific deaths as well. So the question I I guess I have is like, would both of those be extremely active or do you feel like maybe it's a possibility? It's just kind of like a one-off and people just take the stories and run say that again, like ask it in a different way like okay.
Speaker 3:so do you think that those that those cemeteries per square foot right would just be immensely active, extremely haunted, or do you feel like there's a possibility that people may have a tiny experience, but they're blowing it way out of proportion and making these huge stories out of little to nothing?
Speaker 5:I think it could be that. I think people do that with their hauntings anywhere, whether it be, you know, just a personal property or a big cemetery. I do believe people, people experience something and they, they, they want other people to believe their emotional state like what happened to them, want other people to believe their emotional state like what happened to them.
Speaker 3:So I I think they might build up their words, okay. So question dw yeah, you think that the paris catacombs are really? You think that the paris catacombs are really truly haunted, or is it just a lot of really cool stuff down there and people are able to just make things up and go with it?
Speaker 4:I mean probably both, Because well, and now that it's such a tourist attraction for lack of a better word how are you going to say you hear some weird voice off in the distance? You're not alone, there's going to be. What did we say 199 other people, because there's 200 people at a time, or whatever down there. So how do you know if what you heard was was paranormal or just a voice off in the distance? Right.
Speaker 4:And in that situation, if you're in a place like that and you say, oh, I heard a voice, I bet you it's that person right there who died, you know.
Speaker 3:I want to circle back to something that was said by DW at the very beginning of this, and then I'm going to go to my queen consort for her thoughts on this Not this particular subject I'm talking about, but the subject that I was talking about before. I'm going to this subject, and then we'll go back to the other subject, confused. All right, we're going to go circle back around to the beginning of this, would you just say it?
Speaker 3:you spend more time explaining it before than you do actually saying it I said do you think people are making it up or is it really haunted? And dw, for the first time on this show, pretty much said it could be both, which means he feels that something really truly could be haunted.
Speaker 4:And I don't think he's ever said that. No, I said could be. I'm not saying yes, for sure it is haunted. I say it could be.
Speaker 3:But I'm just throwing it out there that maybe you're opening up just a little bit to all this stuff and then you're like, huh Kripers, maybe these hauntings really are real.
Speaker 5:Sorry when he says Kripers, and then you get frustrated. It's just.
Speaker 4:Because it sounds nothing like me. Jeez, and when's the last time I said Kripers?
Speaker 5:Like right now.
Speaker 4:Other than now, I'm going to get a shirt, all right here, hang on, hang on, we'll talk about this. Prypers, like right now, other than now, I'm going to get a shirt here. Hang on, hang on, we'll talk about this. But we'll get back to this. But I want to talk about something that I think I maybe before, but I want to before we talk about this. I just want to talk about something that we mentioned before, and then we'll get back to what I was going to say before, and then we'll get back to what I was gonna say before, and then we'll get back to that. Okay, ready, that's, that's my new impression, so that's pretty good it takes the long way, like I know everything, oh my gosh, everything's like.
Speaker 4:You know what that means. That means you guys have been when we do the sign off. Just listen, We'll time the pause in there.
Speaker 5:I just think he likes to talk so much that he goes around in circles and throws extra words in, so it can last longer.
Speaker 4:Yep longer, yep, yep.
Speaker 3:I've known people like that who just I last perfectly fine that's why you drive slow, so we're in the car longer all right, I was gonna ask you a question, do you think?
Speaker 4:the cat. No, I was gonna ask you this, but before we ask that, let me get back to this other thing that I was going to say before. Okay, do you think? No, that's, that's, that's, oh gosh, oh geez. Okay, so all right, but he didn't get to finish oh gosh.
Speaker 3:Oh, geez, Okay, so all right.
Speaker 5:But he didn't get to finish.
Speaker 3:No Prypers Listen.
Speaker 4:Okay, here's the thing All right.
Speaker 3:So here's the thing. Okay, I need to know. No, get to the point quicker See. No, all right hang on.
Speaker 4:If you're going to do an impression of me, you can't just do the voice, you have to get to the point quicker. See, no, all right, hang on. If you're going to do an impression of me, you can't just do the voice, you have to get to the point quicker. All right, you have to understand the differences between how you talk and me. For me, it's like all right, here's this or that. You're ready, here we go. Boom, with you, it's all right, this or that. Are you ready? Here we go question.
Speaker 3:All right, okay, shut up listen, okay, do you? Do you think the catacombs are haunted?
Speaker 5:um you know, surprisingly there wasn't a ton of information.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 5:And it's counterintuitive because you'd think that with that many bodies I mean six million is so many that the likelihood of there being some sort of haunting would increase. But I'm actually surprised at how little there is out there. They're very vague, like echoes, which DW had a perfectly logical explanation on how to debunk that. You know, the tugging, the scratching Could be an animal. The apparitions, orbs is basically all I found, and even even than tiktoks they're. They're more explaining the catacombs than anything haunted.
Speaker 3:So, um, I I'm sure there's something, but not to the volume that I would have expected which is weird because at the beginning of the show I said one of the most haunted places in the world. And I didn't say that because I'm just pulling it out of my ass. I said it because I read it. I mean, I understand it was the internet, so they're not 100 accurate, but I read it as one of the most haunted places in the world. So if it was one of the most haunted places in the world, don't you think there'd be a hell of a lot more stories?
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 3:We had the one ghost story with supposedly the doorman who's asking for help to leave, and then the legend of the walls talking at night, after midnight or whatever. So I mean, that's really it.
Speaker 5:Is the doorman the same as the, the um that guy's friend in, as above and so below the one that was lost. Yeah, they piggybacked on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, so that's kind of cool. Again, anybody who hasn't seen as above, so below, we mentioned it in earlier on in the podcast when we were talking about the, you know, being able to film there. But there are parts of that movie that they did take from actual real life. Obviously they filmed in the catacombs, we, we said that. So those people that it wasn't a set, it wasn't a replication of it, that was the catacombs, um, obviously a small portion of it, because it's so vast and I'm assuming that the paris museum corporation or whatever it was able to like keep it, you know, kind of compact or whatever.
Speaker 3:But if anybody's you can get it on google tv, uh, you could buy it there for like 5.99 or go to amazon, you could rent it for 3.99 there. Uh, I don't think it's on any platform because if it was, I would have watched it for free. So, um, yeah, just look at it as above, so below, good flick kind, you know, obviously about the catacombs, kind of goes into a really really dark, dark area, which is kind of cool. But, uh, absolutely check it out. Um, is there anything else about paris we want to talk about while we're here? Anything anything at all because I, I feel, like you know, since I'm in paris, you know, like I said before, you gotta go see my good friend Jim Morrison, you know, did the people of France ever forgive you that you had to do a public apology.
Speaker 5:Are you even welcome back in France?
Speaker 4:Yes, I'll just go by myself, then, if you're not, hurts for me.
Speaker 3:That's not. That's not, that is not. Yeah, that's not a good thing. You're not going to go by yourself and you're most definitely not going to go, yeah, with my queen consort.
Speaker 4:That's not she can stay with you. That's fine. Alright, cool. She'll get pushed off the bed and I'll be on Spirit Airlines. Everyone's a winner in this situation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, especially you, spirit Airlines, Especially her.
Speaker 4:Pushed off the bed.
Speaker 3:She likes it. Yeah, so I just she didn't agree.
Speaker 4:I'm scowling.
Speaker 3:you can't see it this is an audio only. They won't be um the pierre le chai, the cemetery where, you know, both jim morrison and oscar wilde and Oscar Wilde are buried. There are some stories of like seeing ghosts wander in the night and things like that, but nothing you can really tell honestly, which is really sad, because I figured that would be kind of cool and we're most definitely going to visit there when we go to Paris. Baby, just thought I'd let you know that we're going to go hang out with Pierre Le Che. We're going to make out in Jim Morrison's grave. It's going to be awesome.
Speaker 5:There's two things wrong with that statement.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 4:Only two.
Speaker 5:Making out at Jim Morrison's grave.
Speaker 3:There's nothing wrong with that. People have done worse.
Speaker 4:That's how you justify it, jeez. We're going to talk about his grave, for justifies anything.
Speaker 3:We're just going to talk about his grave for just a second, okay. Oh, this is a really cool thing. Pierre Le Che was established in 1804 by Napoleon Bonaparte, which is pretty badass. Morrison's grave we were talking about is next to like Oscar Wilde. It's like literally right in that section. Uh, it's marked by a simple plaque that says basically like Jim Morrison. Uh, but it was stolen and there's protective railings around it now, um, everybody leaves gifts, poems, other messages, uh, syringes, uh, other messages, syringes, panties.
Speaker 5:Isn't there graffiti?
Speaker 3:everywhere. It's kind of a really cool place to go. People kiss marks.
Speaker 5:With their lipstick. They kiss.
Speaker 4:So we just wanted to stop by Pierluce and share Sure we get to go to the places you want to go, but we're not going to stay in Italy. You wanted Pizza Hut.
Speaker 3:In Italy what is?
Speaker 4:wrong with wanting pizza in Italy? Jeez, you go to Paris. I'm going to stay here in Italy. I'm going to go to Paris and eat.
Speaker 3:What do they?
Speaker 5:eat there Croissants.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I'll just eat croissants the whole time, I'll be happy.
Speaker 5:They have croissants at Costco, we don't need to go.
Speaker 3:Do they have peanut butter? Hey, is it called peanut butter in Paris, is it? I don't know. Croissants and peanut butter, I'll be happy.
Speaker 4:I've got authentic Italian food. I don't care.
Speaker 5:Go ahead can you get 8 croissants for $7.99 no, because it'd be Frank's.
Speaker 4:So there you go oh yeah you're on your own Wow.
Speaker 3:He knows their currency and stuff. I didn't even look at that stuff, I was just looking for the hauntings and ghost stories and stuff about dead people. He knows what money they use. Frank's.
Speaker 4:If you had spent less time practicing your French accent and more time researching?
Speaker 3:this Wait you practiced it no, oh good, if you had practiced it, that'd be very yeah, baby listen, this stuff come natural oh my gosh you have a legal notice we're going to end the show now. Listen baby.
Speaker 4:Listen, can you?
Speaker 3:mute him. If you have to dream, you go to the palace. Baby, You're going to take my queen consul there.
Speaker 5:Guess where John's sleeping tonight spare bed my queen, that's right.
Speaker 3:The meal dream and the queen concord. We're gonna go over there. We'll go to paris, gay, paris, baby, and you know that we're gonna have the, the romantic time, that's right no, no, thank you all right, so dw so.
Speaker 3:DW, we went to Paris. We did your thing in Italy. We got out of there quick, though. Thanks for that. Yeah, so it's time to boogie back across the pond back to cold ass Minnesota and do what we do at the end of every single show. It's time to boogie back across the pond back to cold-ass Minnesota and do what we do at the end of every single show, and that is.
Speaker 4:you know, that is.
Speaker 3:Bring the momentums to a screeching halt. No, no, it's this or that First, before we go to this or that. Dw.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I have to ask you several things about this, this particular episode, and I want your, I want your words, I want, I want you to tell me number one did you have any interest at all in the paris catacombs prior or even now?
Speaker 4:I mean there I I looked at the pictures. It's interesting. I would say that if I ever make it to Paris Spirit or United I've got a lot of places I'd want to go to first, before I got to the catacombs. So I don't know if I'm ever going to go there, not out of fear, but just out of like. I would much rather see um the eiffel tower the original one, as you can't understand whatever but um, I would go to the Louvre to see some. It's one of, if not the biggest art museum ever.
Speaker 4:I think, I want to say Michelangelo's David.
Speaker 3:Michelangelo's David. So is Jackson Pollock, I guess. Paintings in the Louvre.
Speaker 4:But anyway, I would definitely go there. Um, I I like I say I nothing against the catacombs. I just feel if I make it to paris, I'm going to be doing other things besides, uh, looking at bones.
Speaker 3:Okay, so you weren't, your interest was nil at that point.
Speaker 4:I mean Not that I'm not interested, but if I'm going to Paris, so many things, I would much rather do than go to the catacombs. Okay, I don't know, it's yeah.
Speaker 3:And the, the stories that we did tell you know, the the doorman, the legends of the walls, talking apparitions and things like that. Um, what does that rank on your creepers? I'm scared scale well the like.
Speaker 4:The story of the doorman thing wasn't really a paranormal thing or haunted or anything like that.
Speaker 3:It was just someone who got, went down there, his light went out and he couldn't find his way out, so it wasn't really a scary well, and then now, supposedly after this this I covered it a little bit, I thought, but now he supposedly his apparition asked people how to get out, like during tours and things like that. So, um, that's supposedly the thing. And then obviously, like I said, apparitions and hair tugging and whispers and whatever else, like on your cripers I'm scared meter. Where's that? I mean, where does that go? Or even compare it to other stories that we've heard on the show I mean?
Speaker 4:mean I will say one thing that does differentiate this from other haunted places we've talked about is here you can actually see the skeletons and the remains A lot of places we're talking about. It's a haunted house. You might feel something or hear something, but it's not like you're going to see the remains of whoever it was. They're buried in a cemetery somewhere else, but at the catacombs you can obviously see all the bones everywhere. So there is that. Yeah, okay. Okay.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, so there is that, yeah, okay. Well, I mean, are you happy with the paris catacombs story?
Speaker 4:for now that we're I'm happy with the story. I'm very disappointed with the trip because we did not get to go to anywhere I wanted to. We left italy way too soon and, um, you were complaining the whole flight over there. So I am not taking another trip with you for quite some time.
Speaker 3:So all right. So if we were in paris, where would you want to go? Where would be the for? I mean, I'm sorry, not, I apologize we've already been to paris. We did everything you didn't want to do so when we were in Italy, okay, we go to Italy. What would be one thing you would most definitely want to do? Not eat. I'm saying like touristy, see something.
Speaker 4:Well then you already took it away, because that's honestly like I'd find some little small mom and pop shop that has, you know, bread or pasta or whatever, and, you know, have some authentic Italian food. I love Italian food.
Speaker 5:And there it's wrong.
Speaker 4:It's probably going to be the best.
Speaker 5:DW, You've got your favorite food to go, but you had to eat it while seeing one of the sites there. Where would you eat your food go? But you had to eat it while seeing one of the sights there. Where would you eat your food?
Speaker 4:Oh, okay, so I'm eating my. I see what you're saying, okay.
Speaker 5:You gotta know how to handle him.
Speaker 3:He's the Doves Whisperer. Did you read a? What was it? Did you read a parenting book, gosh?
Speaker 5:He's not Sheldon. Did you read a parenting book? Oh my gosh, he's not Sheldon.
Speaker 3:How did the episode make you feel DW? How did it make you feel so?
Speaker 5:Where would you eat?
Speaker 4:Where would I eat? I would want to see the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Okay, it's pizza.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, the Colosseum.
Speaker 4:Probably the Colosseum, and I don't know, Like I've just wanted to, you know, go to Italy for the food mostly, okay so you wouldn't want to hang out at the Capuchin catacombs?
Speaker 3:Probably not. No, you wouldn't want to find out what's in the Vatican's basement.
Speaker 5:Oh no, it's nothing, can you even? Go in the Vatican?
Speaker 3:No, you can't go in there, no. I mean you could try, that's what they were going to do for, uh, national treasure three or whatever, oh yeah, and then they didn't do it.
Speaker 5:So, um, I think they they were afraid of offending I mean I don't know. I'm catholic and I wouldn't want to see what's down there.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I'm Catholic and I wouldn't want to see what's down there. You heard it here, folks there's probably nothing good. The Doomsday Book probably, anyway. So none of that stuff.
Speaker 4:The capuchin you don't want to go to the capuchin. The thing is I'd probably take my food to go to take it to the next place we're going to eat. So like let's.
Speaker 5:I told you he was food motivated.
Speaker 4:I am and gosh I would. The sad thing is I would come back fatter than when I got there. So well. Good for you. It's your vacation.
Speaker 3:Since you're food motivated, we've been trying to get you over here to Casa de Batrón Studios for a while. Next week, a full Mexican buffet.
Speaker 5:Do you want to?
Speaker 3:make it.
Speaker 4:What Are you cooking? No, then I'm intrigued.
Speaker 3:We'll talk later. All right, that's cool. Now I have to. There's three people here today my beautiful, lovely future bride, my shining star, the love of my life.
Speaker 5:You're making it last longer.
Speaker 3:My boo-boo kitty. What did you like? Like in the catacombs in paris, all these places. What would you want to see? Are you going to go more towards, you know, with me hanging out in the cool places, or or something completely different? Where like I'm just saying like something completely different. Like are you gonna go to a baguette store? Are you gonna go down to the catacombs with me?
Speaker 5:can I do both?
Speaker 4:those are our only two choices. We, we arrive and like all right, where are we going? Baguettes or the catacomb?
Speaker 5:okay, so in in france. Okay, I would actually like to follow my little sliver of genealogy there and and see where my family's from okay, okay and um, absolutely in uh italy I'd love to go to the uh capuchin Catacombs and see little Rosalia Lombardo and just check everybody out, catch a tour there and, you know, get some pizza.
Speaker 3:God damn. You know you can eat pizza at home. You don't need it there, Damn.
Speaker 5:Why are you hating on it? I'm not hating on it, I'm just Damn. Are you hating on them? I'm not hating on them, I'm just saying, are you?
Speaker 3:not eating there, are you? You're not saying Like how come the whole time we were over in France you weren't asking for French fries?
Speaker 5:We have French fries at home, John.
Speaker 3:There we go. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Okay, they're not any different.
Speaker 4:Oh gosh.
Speaker 5:Can't we? We just ate.
Speaker 4:You're making this trip worse. We're just not going to let him eat while we're there. I think he'll survive, based on his.
Speaker 5:It's too hot here.
Speaker 4:I don't have any sleeves and I'm still sweating.
Speaker 3:Like an animal In my own house, in my own house Animal Animal, dw. Like an animal in my own house, in my own house animal animal, okay, dw, I can't remember how this like, how do we do this on this one is this gonna be a three-way?
Speaker 5:don't say things like that, wow and I can't call him boo-boo Shut up idiot.
Speaker 3:No, I'm saying. Usually we close out our show with the back and forth.
Speaker 4:The thing is first off. We usually say hey, where can we find you?
Speaker 3:No, that was at the beginning of the show. We already did that. No, where do we find our guests?
Speaker 4:Yeah, our guests. Yeah, you already did that. Oh yeah, no, where do we find our guest? Yeah, our guest, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, you already know where you can find us. Where do we find?
Speaker 5:I'm right here, guys, Usually upstairs in bed having me time. That's where you can find me.
Speaker 3:But now no, she's having me and her time.
Speaker 5:Now I've been invited into their alone time.
Speaker 3:We're not a couple. We don't need alone time. This is our alone time. He gets irritated with me the whole time and then all the rest of the time we're apart and we live our lives happily. He's still irritated with you, Probably. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4:Yeah, guaranteed. And then he sends me text messages and it's like, ah, what crazy idea does he have now?
Speaker 3:nope so I didn't have any crazy idea, but I did say, and I suppose I should mention it now we have a new country that joined us here in our scolarius universe, scolariverse see that exactly that's what you texted me earlier today yeah, and it was india, so um, in bengal, india, so pretty cool, yeah. So shout out to you for listening. Hope you are, if. If you are, you've made it three episodes in. I appreciate that immensely, okay. So how are we going to do this then?
Speaker 4:Well, it makes more sense for me to do it because you're closer to her, so I should do this, okay.
Speaker 3:Are we going to like? You're just going to ask me and her.
Speaker 4:We don't need to know about you, so I'll just ask her. You've been talking the whole hour.
Speaker 3:Okay, exactly right slowly right, yeah, let's just ask her. Then I'm gonna chime in a couple too. Go ahead, all right so here we go.
Speaker 4:Would you rather build a snowman or a sandcastle?
Speaker 5:Sandcastle.
Speaker 3:It's warmer. No, it's by the water.
Speaker 4:Excuse me, I'm in the middle of this or that right now. Can you stop listening to yourself talk, alright? Would you rather ghost hunt with the Ghostbusters, or Scooby-Doo and the gang?
Speaker 5:Ghostbusters. They're kind of annoying.
Speaker 4:Okay, we're having a barbecue. Would you rather have a burger or a brat? Burger. You've perfected your time machine. Do you want to travel to 1825 or 2225?
Speaker 5:1825.
Speaker 4:She knew right away she wants to pass All right Christmas or Halloween Halloween Figures. Would you rather have your own personal butler or personal chef?
Speaker 3:Chef, I was going to say watch it.
Speaker 5:You can't cook.
Speaker 3:Cook.
Speaker 4:But you can clean, so I don't need a butler. Alright cook, but you can clean, so I don't need a mother. All right. Singing in the shower or in the car. Car All right.
Speaker 5:Roller coaster or Ferris wheel oh, I'm older now and I haven't been on one in a while but I'll say roller coaster, it's just kind of slow, it's like driving.
Speaker 4:Sunrise or sunset.
Speaker 5:Sunset.
Speaker 4:Yeah, pirates or ninjas.
Speaker 5:Captain Morgan is a pirate. Let's go pirate.
Speaker 4:All right, that's my queen All right. John Olson or Timothy McVeigh. He's staring at me.
Speaker 5:I'm not going to be able to get this out.
Speaker 4:john olsen's face, he's rubbing his eyes I think john olsen's cute, but tennessee had some good points and I'd really like to government oh gosh really I incorporated you it's almost as bad as was it shauna from the dos house.
Speaker 4:Oh, john, I love you, but lizzie borden, I mean yes, yeah, that was the best. That's. Here's the. The best response is I don't know who John Olsen is. In a close second is you know who John Olsen is, but you still pick the other one and you go. Well, lizzie Borton, we don't know. She did it.
Speaker 5:So yeah, it's just good on the inside.
Speaker 3:Do I get to ask a couple?
Speaker 4:If you want to hear yourself talk, go ahead.
Speaker 3:I'm not letting you bully me, yet I'm doing pretty good at it. You are. It's like an evil millhouse.
Speaker 5:He's my favorite.
Speaker 3:Never mind, he's an evil mole man. It's like kissing a peanut, okay, okay, homer, or crusty homer, it's because it's me, I'm like homer marge or mrs kerb?
Speaker 5:Oh, they're both Ew.
Speaker 3:Like if you had to hear one talk for the rest of your life.
Speaker 5:Mrs Krabappel.
Speaker 4:I've been calling her Crandall.
Speaker 5:Crandall. I've been calling her Crandall.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay.
Speaker 3:Lisa. I've been calling her Crandall, okay, lisa Lisa, or squeaky voice teen.
Speaker 5:Do you have more context.
Speaker 3:Who would you rather talk to?
Speaker 5:Squeaky voice teen.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right. Like who would you rather talk to squeaky voice teen? Okay, all right.
Speaker 5:um, I don't know, I'm gonna explain to people in case they don't know what you're referencing right now obviously it's the simpsons.
Speaker 3:Uh, both dw and the queen consort are big fans of the simpsons, as am I, but I tend to go towards Family Guy more because it's more offensive.
Speaker 4:The thing is, she showed me a website where you can generate memes from any episode of the Simpsons and that just blew my mind where you can generate memes from any episode of the Simpsons. And that just blew my mind Because the thing is so much of life has happened in a Simpsons episode already.
Speaker 3:So there's probably an episode you can reference to illustrate your point During your day on team, all right, so two more, and one obviously is going to be the big one, okay, okay, all right. This one's obviously still simpsons related, but bart or millhouse?
Speaker 5:millhouse obviously.
Speaker 3:Why do you not like? Are you saying you don't like bart?
Speaker 4:I just, I like bart, but I like millhouse better the underdog but I'm all millhouse why am I holding a bowl, bart?
Speaker 3:why am I holding a bowl? Okay, um, and here's the biggest one ever. Okay, my lovely queen consort, would you marry me on a white sandy beach or a very dense forest with a beautiful mountain peak in the background? Beach, yeah, she likes the water. See and notice. She didn't say no when I said would you marry me? Notice that.
Speaker 5:That wasn't one of the two options.
Speaker 4:Had she known that she would have given a different answer. Yeah, I get it, marry you in the forest, or Timothy McVeigh.
Speaker 3:Thanks. I appreciate it. All you heard is our wedding will be on a sandy beach. All right, well, I guess you know. We went to Paris. We went to Italy. We got to. We went to Italy. We got DW some pizza. We figured things out. You decided Timothy McVeigh was a better source for you than me.
Speaker 5:Romantically your face.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that means he killed me. That's the math Stop part Like I incorporated.
Speaker 5:Oh boy, you're invited.
Speaker 3:Not really. I think this is a fun little episode. I hope everybody enjoyed it. If you didn't, just let us know down below or send us a note. We'll put it in consideration for apology. All right, that's all I got, baby, that's all I have.
Speaker 5:That's all she got DW.
Speaker 3:That's all I have. That's all she got DW, I'm good, all right. Well, you know what that means. That means that, well, you guys have been amazing, we have been scolarius and we are out Later and we are out later.