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Ep. 79 The Man Who Runs Toward Ghosts: Chris Mac
Send your favorite Co-Ghosts a message!
Have you ever wondered what kind of person runs toward a ghost instead of away? Meet Chris Mac, a paranormal researcher from the Pocono Mountains whose fearless approach to spirit encounters began at the tender age of five when he chased after an apparition in his home, thinking it was his grandmother.
Chris takes us on a dark journey through abandoned asylums and forgotten institutions, focusing particularly on Pennhurst Asylum in Pennsylvania. When he discusses the facility's disturbing history of mistreating patients—some as young as five years old—there's a personal edge to his research. "If I would have been put in there with my autism, I would not be here right now," he reflects, creating a poignant connection between past injustices and present understanding.
The conversation reveals Chris's unique claim to sense energies remotely, allowing him to feel connections to haunted locations before physically visiting them. His assertion that the 1771 Enfield House is cursed comes from this sensitivity, describing "heavy, thick, massive energy" that he can perceive even through researching from a distance. Whether discussing the entity known as "Skippy" who throws wrenches at Pennhurst or the unexplained scratches he received after investigating Ledgworth Village, Chris maintains an enthusiastic curiosity rather than fear.
Perhaps most intriguing is his defense of controversial ghost hunting apps like Spirit Talker, sharing a compelling story where the app seemingly provided verifiable historical information about a deceased nurse—details he later confirmed through newspaper archives. "You have to figure out when it works," he insists, challenging conventional skepticism.
Ready to experience the paranormal through the eyes of someone who chases ghosts instead of running from them? Listen now and decide for yourself if some places truly hold energies that linger long after the living have gone.
Thanks for watching what's going on. This is hilarious. I am john olsen and with me, as always, is dw, the dark old whodunit serene there it is Today's.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, kind of. I mean in a way, maybe DW has some exciting news to tell you Okay, yeah. And anybody who cares out there. So, based on our listeners two weeks ago, not many. But to be fair, whatever I'm about ready to go into that too, and Lord help me. This might cause some backlash, but it's okay, dw, I am now in the mid 220s, so I am 225.5.
Speaker 2:Thank, you all right yeah.
Speaker 1:So not only did I completely and utterly pass that 229 threshold, I am now 225 and um 225, and feeling alive. When's the last time you've been 225? 2018, maybe Wow. So this is like legitimately, as you are looking at me right now through this Zoom camera, even though nobody else can, I am the skinniest you have ever seen me.
Speaker 2:Crazy yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me crazy. Yeah, yeah, and I just have. I have 15 more pounds to go to where I'm at, like my uh, not my goal weight, but like if I get there, I'll be okay, you know what I mean. Yeah, like I'll be all right if I go below it. Hey, that's badass. If to my goal, which is 200, that'd be even more amazing. But 210, give or take a couple pounds, I think. I'll be okay, I mean it's right about my playing weight for football.
Speaker 2:I was going to say you're doing a lot of football playing these days.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. I can't even walk up the stairs without.
Speaker 2:I know that's what would make it so funny if you did play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was thinking of a joke, you know, basically.
Speaker 1:you know, every time I get up in the morning it's like a bowl of Rice krispies and you know, snap crackle pop except for with mine, it's ouch, fuck, that hurt soon and that's why it's not a joke yep yeah, yeah, so, um, so yeah, dw, I want to talk a little bit about, uh, an episode that we had a couple weeks ago with uh somebody with with tarot cards, and I just want to say this uh, we did that show just like me, and you always do the show. Uh, we treated our guests that week just like we treat every other guest we ever have, and for some reason, that one, just I don't know, there was some feelings maybe that we weren't exactly kind, which is strange. Kind, which is strange, uh.
Speaker 1:well, I mean, not not strange in the overall aspect, but strange in the fact that, like you know it, like I said, everybody else and everybody else seems to think like we do an amazing job. At least that's what I've heard. Nobody's ever had any other complaints and it's been pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Uh, that one just seemed to uh I don't know was what's our numbers for that episode. Is it like more or less than usual in terms of listeners?
Speaker 1:uh, it's less, but I, I don't know um, I just I feel there's some negative juju around it and I'm not going to apologize for anything because we didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 2:One thing I will clarify and actually our listeners may not even realize this because they didn't hear anything but one of the issues was that at one point during the the episode, I got up and left for my little studio and came back and it was, uh, misinterpreted as, I think, you saying something that, like, offended me so much I had to leave, or something like that yeah, but in reality, what happened is, again, the hounds of serene manor was going nuts.
Speaker 2:Uh, because of the neighbor dog. If the neighbor dog and our dogs are out there at the same time, they go ballistic and uh, that's what was happening and I needed to run out there to get the to uh, uh, herd the dogs back into the house so they would stop going nuts.
Speaker 2:So that's what it was just at that moment and I did not say I didn't want to interrupt anyone, but I didn't say sorry, I'll be right back hanging on, you know whatever. Um, but anyway, I think that may have been uh misunderstood, because I didn't actually clarify what I was doing I think, I feel like, um it. That hasn't happened much though, um, but I was wondering if I maybe, like need to have a sign or something that says dogs barking, I'll be right back, or something like that it was me.
Speaker 1:I, I mentioned it, I was like oh he's walking away look at him ah, you know my vince mcmahon voice ah, get out of here. Uh, he was I. I just you know, I don't know, I maybe upplayed it, uh too much and and probably made it sound like you were like I'm out and which I don't get offended easily, you know I, I mean you work with me, buddy.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say you can't do what we do and get offended easily.
Speaker 1:So yeah, uh, and no, it's so I don't know. It was a weird vibe around it and, to be honest, the real fun stuff happened after and that's on our Under the Table segment, that's on Buzzsprout. You guys can check it out. If you want to become a subscriber to Scalarius, you can. You can hear all about it, but it did. I remember specifically saying during that part of the the show or broadcast or whatever I said and I was like where was this the whole entire time? So I mean, it's a 10 minute little thing called under the table and uh you should, uh, you should check it out.
Speaker 1:Uh, it's funny stuff. Dw was surprised, she was surprised, we were yeah yeah it was, it was good um anything going on over there. First, let's look, I I feel like we should.
Speaker 2:We should say that good old dubs will not be here for a couple weeks yeah, so, um, I'll just leave it, as may is a very busy month for us and and so there's a lot going on and the next two recordings. I am unavailable, so we're going to try a first which well, no, I won't elaborate on that, but we are going to try a first which is we're bringing in a guest host or guest co-host. I should say, yep, he's. Should we leave it as a surprise, or do we want to say his name?
Speaker 1:No, I'll just say this Okay, that's what I'm going to say, that for all you people that I've been telling for I don't know almost two years now, to contact us, to get involved with us, to have fun with us and everything you know reach, give us, throw us a line, you'll send us a message, do that, and you don't, you don't do it. Well, guess what he does. Do it, he did. And guess what he does, do it, he did. And guess what. He's gonna be the guest co-ghost for the next two weeks. So I'm just saying that's, that's on you guys. You could, somebody else could have been a co-ghost just for temporarily.
Speaker 2:But no, you, you didn't, you didn't want to do that and but so well and to elaborate a little bit more, he, uh, he listened to the show, but also our paths crossed and we were doing a show that he was a part of. He's a fellow comedian turns out. He's really funny, he's. He uh uh, he did a. He did a great job. So I, you know, I'm optimistic that it's going to be a good show. But yeah, so you're in capable hands because it'll be the hilarious part of Scalarius. But yeah, so John will take care of as usual. John will take care of the scary part and hopefully our co-host will take care of the funny part.
Speaker 1:There we go.
Speaker 2:That's how it it always works uh, in two weeks, either I'll be uh, uh, kicked off the show, um, or I I don't know what the alternative is well, hey, if it goes well, then I'll uh uh, take a vacation and be like hey well who's gonna reply to me then what?
Speaker 1:what if it goes well, and he's the co-ghost for you and I take a vacation.
Speaker 2:If you take a vacation.
Speaker 1:It's not happening. Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:Because I don't know how to, I'm not going to I'll record it, and then I won't know how to upload it, and so it'll just be in limbo yeah, it'll be all right.
Speaker 1:So you know how I was talking earlier about, you know, people trying to, like you know, get a hold of us and whatever right you know and doing that, and then they could be a part of the show, right?
Speaker 2:Well that. Or if they just wanted to send a message and say which of us is funnier? Or if they just wanted to say John's mean, what are you doing? Type of thing. They wanted to see where we're doing shows, or something like that, whatever. Or if they just want to send a message saying, hey, I like you guys, whatever I mean they've.
Speaker 1:I think I've actually had a john's mean one before. It didn't, and it's fine, it works out. But you know, if you wanted to do that, you can. And this is how you can find dw. Dw3 comedian on facebook. You find me at john olson comedian 2.0 on facebook. You can find us both together. Serene Comedian on Facebook. You can find me at John Olson Comedian 2.0 on Facebook. You can find us both together.
Speaker 2:But we're not a couple.
Speaker 1:No, but you can find us on our Facebook page Also. We do have a TikTok. It's called Scalarius8. And an Instagram called guess what?
Speaker 2:Scalarius.
Speaker 1:Scalarius Yep, that's it. And if you wanted to email us, you could do that at scolariuspod, at gmailcom, and if, and only if, I'm not trying to make you guys do anything you don't want to do, because if I I mean if I was trying to make you do things you don't want to do, I'd be telling you to contact us all the time, so maybe you could be part of the freaking show. But whatever, I'm not trying to make you do anything you don't want to do. But if you want to, you could go back and listen to every single episode that we have at sclerospodbuzzsproutcom. And you know, if you really wanted to support us here at the old Scolarius the two co-ghosts here you could do a couple of things. One of them is you could subscribe to Scolarius on Buzzsprout for $3 a month. You get the extra content which is it's coming out, guys under the tables, what it's called. Don't don't ask why it's called under the table, it's just called under the table. Uh, that's, that's coming out. There might be some other stuff too there. There might be some live shows that we're going to do that we'll put on there. There might be, I don't know, like maybe me dw are going to go to, uh, the haunted strip club again and maybe when we're there, like you know, we will do an investigation or something. We'll record that. We'll put that on there. Um, there's so much other stuff and if you become a subscriber you're going to get a shout out on the next show. Okay that you are now part of the scolariverse.
Speaker 1:Let's see what I did there. Scolarius and universe. Scolarius has been scary and hilarious, but now I combine like three different words. All right, but anyway, you could do that. Or you could go to crowdmadecom and just search up sclarry's pod and you can find a whole lot of really cool merch. Uh, my favorite is the old cripers t-shirt. That that's. That's just amazing. That's what dw says. He gets upset and he's like oh, cripers. And then, like, when you're wearing this, people are gonna be like what does that mean? And then, uh, you have to explain it. And then flip them a card and have them go listen to scolarius, and then they can buy an old criber shirt, I don't know, or you can get. I mean it's, it's out of hoodie season, for the love of god. I'm wearing a tank top, but it's like out of hoodie season. But you can get hoodies and get t-shirts and you can get that stuff.
Speaker 2:That has things on there that maybe me and DW say or how we feel, or don't say, because I don't say Kripers like ever.
Speaker 1:Well, whatever, or how we feel, but we have a whole line of hoodies, t-shirts, we have pet bowls. Yeah, we have leashes and collars for your pets or for your significant other, I guess, if you wanted to do it that way. But you, we have all that and we have hats and all sorts of stuff. So go to crowdmatecom, search up it's hilarious and get some stuff like everything's 30 or less. It's pretty affordable. And yeah, so dubs, uh, this is your last show for two weeks. A couple things I want to ask before we get into our guest. Number one is do do you want me to continue on? Like you're not here, like you know? Like, say like, like you're passed on, right, we have to continue on, we have to keep moving on forward, and things like that. So do we want to continue on like you're not here, meaning like you know that or that you are here. You know what I'm saying Like, do we do this or that?
Speaker 1:You know, do we?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'd still do this or that, do I tell?
Speaker 1:them where they can find them, or tell them where they can still find you and them.
Speaker 2:See, I don't know what I'm going to do find you and them see like I don't know what I'm gonna do. I think you know, as a uh uh uh, in lieu of pay, you should tell everyone where they can find our guest co-hosts for all of us for a long time, but you know, but anyway, you say where you can find us, but I won't be there.
Speaker 2:So I think it'd be fair to say where you can find our guest co-host, and then so do, and then also, I think, since it this will be a couple of episodes, you should give him the chance to at least once, do lead this or that if he wants to, yeah, that would be.
Speaker 1:That would be pretty cool. See, like this week is your turn, so next week would be my turn, right? So I'm not 100 sure. If I want to do like have him lead next week and then have you, you know what I mean, then it'd be my turn, then you'll be back you know you might, you might want to be ready for next week and then that way you can say, hey, the week after it'll be you so yeah, it's a good couple shows coming up too, uh, but you know, honestly, we should probably get to this one.
Speaker 1:What do you? Think yes yeah, enough talk, enough talk between me and you.
Speaker 2:Between us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we still have a guest. You know, this is a very cool thing. Again, we go back to the beginning of this very episode where I said it's important for people to reach out to us, right? Yep, because the guest that we have today wouldn't be here today if he didn't reach out to us and proposed a pretty cool theory. So I invited him up. He is a paranormal enthusiast and researcher. He's a one-man band, he does it all on his own own. He's from the Poconos mountains of Pennsylvania again, paranormal researcher and enthusiast, chris Mack. Chris, how are you today? Good, that's good.
Speaker 1:Cold um warm now oh yeah, I hear you again tired of winter. Well, that's good we are too we're. We're in minnesota, so, trust me, it's like 82 degrees today. Tomorrow it could be like snowing six inches. It could happen, because you know, I think it was, uh, 30 years ago, whatever there was like a big snowstorm on may 10th or whatever like oh, yeah, yeah but yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:It was before you were born, chris. All right, so I figure we might as well get right into this. So, chris, you reached out to me and you reached out to me. Okay, let me backpedal for just one more. Okay, a few weeks back we did a show on the Enfield 1771 house. Yep, okay, and it was pretty interesting. We got a lot of stuff, a lot of information, and with all the information we got we really didn't get too far into the actual hauntings of it. So we might do another show with Jay and Mackenzie and everybody in the near future. But you had reached out and you said the 1771 infield house is cursed yeah so, chris, if you could, we'll start with this.
Speaker 1:If you could, can you explain why you feel that is cursed um?
Speaker 3:I believe it or not, I think it's cursed is because, um, I believe there is a witch that happened on the land. Why I don't know how, but I can feel it. It's there, there. But they, I keep telling, when I keep asking them, even I'm being when I ask them are you sure this house is cursed? I keep asking them and asking and asking them for some reason, I don't know why. I keep asking them that because it's there, I can feel it, but it just comes to me. I can feel the energy. It's there, I can feel it, but it just comes to me. I can feel the energy in that house. I can feel everything Heavy, thick, massive energy. It's like up and down, you know.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So why would you?
Speaker 1:think it's a witch, though what's the difference in the energies that you're feeling like, yeah, there's dark and things like that. Is there a specific energy that a quote unquote witch would send off?
Speaker 3:hmm, it's, it's a little here and there. I can't really say because I'm not there. I just feel it, because I can feel things on the screen, I can feel energy, I can pinpoint sometimes but and guess. But I can feel a lot. In that house there's just a bunch of sadness, suicides and and oh, you said you know, jay had mentioned that there had been how many dw?
Speaker 1:do you remember how many deaths there were in the enfield house? Wasn't it like 27?
Speaker 3:27 to, I think, 32, I think I read online.
Speaker 2:Wow, it was yeah, something like that. It was a lot.
Speaker 3:I'm still doing research on it and I can't really say much because, yeah, I get it. They're private. So they told me not to. I actually told them I'm not going to say anything because they keep their research private. So but you know, but you get what I'm saying, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1:So. I just, you know, when you reached out and you said it's cursed, I didn't really ask much of it. I kind of like, ok, we're going to go behind the curtain a little bit. If somebody has something interesting that they're telling me or saying or whatever, immediately I think, oh, the future guest. So I don't want to know. At that point I don't want to know. I really don't want to know a whole lot, because if I do, then we're going to go in here and it's not going to be very surprising. So, as you know, I didn't really ask you a whole lot about what you were saying. So you said you feel it, I can feel it, yes, and you've approached the apples on it before. I mean, have you?
Speaker 3:I actually felt something Like what do I feel? Like is there something darker or more sinister, or something that is attached to the land, or if it could be Native Americans, or I just feel there's there's something else okay so you, but you talked to Jay about this yes.
Speaker 1:I have Okay, and then what was? What was his response?
Speaker 3:His response Um, it's been. Um, this was way back when I first real when, when I was in the community. We're not going to talk about Well. I'm going to say, well, what it was in the community I was in the, uh, ghost hunting community. I was in.
Speaker 3:When that first popped up on that website I, um, I merely came attached to the house, like like that. I said I gotta get in at a house because some is calling to me like something wants me there, something wants me to go there, something you know, right it if I can feel it wants me to go there. And it, even even when I'm I'm away, it keeps pulling there, like pulling me there. It keeps calling and calling, calling, calling. Like why, I don't know why.
Speaker 1:So how many times have you physically been on the property?
Speaker 3:I actually haven't been on the property, property yet I'm this summer, I'm going there. So I just feel energy. That's all I can feel Heaviness, sad, anger, you know.
Speaker 1:So all right, so you've done research on that. Yep, okay, what other places have you done research on?
Speaker 3:Pennhurst, ledgworth Village, a lot of mental institutions and asylums.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's start with. What did you say? Edgeworth, ledgworth, new York, ledgworth. All right, let's start with Ledgworth. Mm-hmm, what happens there?
Speaker 3:Well, it's the same, almost the same as Pennhurst, but they did different things. Ledgworth did. Well, it's the same. Pennhurst did this level. Sorry, you're okay, tongue twister, it's they, penn. Pennhurst did the same as like Ledgworth. Ledgworth did the same. I can't sorry, I keep getting.
Speaker 1:So Pennhurst and Ledgworth are. They're both the same.
Speaker 3:Okay, but Ledgworth did differently because they actually I actually found out they actually sprayed the, they actually sprayed the children with cold water. Pennhurst didn't do that, which is very, very weird. Yeah, very yeah. Do that, which is very, very weird. Yeah, very yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't know any of that until somebody told me that so so they kind of tortured them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they tortured them, they did a lot of garbage to them, but when I went there I felt there's there's been a lot of stuff at ledgeworth, the energy is thick and and just a bunch of like sinister stuff in there. I don't know what it is, but there's something dark.
Speaker 1:But it okay. So I'm not 100% familiar with Ledgworth. Is Ledgworth a? I mean, is it known to be haunted? Do people? Okay, alright, and you said that's Ledgworth, new York.
Speaker 3:Yep Alright Ledgworth Village, New York. Yep Alright Ledgerwood Village, New York.
Speaker 1:Alright, so you did stuff on there and you went back. So tell us about the hauntings there at Ledgerwood.
Speaker 3:Well, I caught my second time or third time. I caught an EVP on my recorder. It was like a breath, like this. It was in the hospital, the big hospital in the back where Ghost Wrenters were, and I caught an EVP and it was like I was talking and I heard like a breath in the background. So and I heard footsteps. I heard. It's just very thick energy and it's hard to pinpoint what goes on there. There's just a lot of sadness. But I can tell you this one of my friends one of my friends actually went there to do a permanent investigation and in the in the back there was a children hospital. It's part of Ledgworth, it's abandoned and they went back there. They actually saw guys with cloaks, like they do, like a lot of people did satanic rituals there. Ooh, yeah, yeah. That's why I found out um, satanic, um, um, devil worshippers go there, um, witchcraft, all that, and it's hard pinpoint what's real, what's actually going on so I can feel energy, sadness, but yeah.
Speaker 3:So I mean, if you can feel, energy, that sadness, but yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean, if you can feel energy that makes you kind of, I'm not going to say, is that psychic or empathetic?
Speaker 3:A little bit here in both, but I can feel what's around me. But what's weird? What's weird is that when I went now let's can I say about Pennhurst, yeah, go ahead. When I went to Pennhurst the very first time I went there I did a permanent investigation. I did just an investigation of a trial type until 1 o'clock and I went back home and I I told my mom and my stepdad, I said to them I got to help to them. I got help and all of a sudden I started getting a whole bunch of documents and records that I didn't even expect. I'm pretty sure some type of spirit latched onto me and started helping me find these records on Pennhurst. Like it's weird, it's unexpected. I'm like I said, oh boy boy, I should not be finding any of these.
Speaker 1:Um, but it did. It's so weird you thought, like a spirit attached.
Speaker 3:I mean attached to me like in it's weird, because I felt tired when I was at Pennhurst. I felt when I was at Pennhurst I was sitting on the ground, I felt tired, I felt and like all of a sudden I just felt completely drained. And then, like I said, when I came back home, all of a sudden I started finding records. I'm like, okay, I should be helping oh I'll be that.
Speaker 1:so yeah, you sent me some articles and and things like that on pennhurst, um, but what, what sort of things did you find? I mean, obviously, besides the articles you sent me?
Speaker 3:I actually found patients, patient documents, patient records.
Speaker 2:Oh cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which I cannot show, obviously I can't, right I would. But it'd be very private, right I would.
Speaker 2:But it'd be very private, right, and these patients were.
Speaker 1:I mean, were they there to be treated? I'm assuming, okay, pennhurst was a, it was a mental institution, right? Yep, the asylum, all right. So these patients that they had probably were. It was a lot of things right. First of all, go back and do you know the history of Pennhurst, like when? When did it start?
Speaker 1:like when it opened 1908 yep okay, and Pennhurst is where at it's, in Pennsylvania. I know, know that, right, correct, spring city, pennsylvania. Okay, and then what do you? Geographically, where is that? Um, so, if you're, if you're a novice, a complete novice of, like, uh, pennsylvania, you have Pittsburgh on one end, you have Philadelphia on the other. Right, where's, where'd you say, springfield?
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, where's that at spring spring city, I mean, oh, spring city? Yeah, yeah, that's um actually right next to philadelphia, outside of philadelphia all right it's on the eastern side of pennsylvania.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, cool, um, all right. So pennhurst is right by Philadelphia. So I'm assuming that Philadelphia residents, or whatever, were being. That's where they would go, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Like me, because I have autism.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:If I would have been put in there, I would not be here right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You brought up autism. There you have it. So what you're saying is because we're going to hit a touchy, freaking subject here, I guarantee you. But what you're saying is a person that has autism is that if this were the 1900s, 1920s, 1930s, whatever you'd be put in there and you'd be like like they kill you or like just be institutionalized, the rest of your life tortured and being beat up, abused basically they will think you're crazy, right yeah, yeah and people in that place will think you're crazy or mentally ill or it's just.
Speaker 3:You know, I read all the records that were there. I'm like how can anybody do this? How can one man, can anybody do such a thing to these poor kids? You know right?
Speaker 1:and was it mostly kids like okay, so let's talk about penthouse? Obviously it was a institution for adults and everybody, so down all the way down the line. So how young were the youngest?
Speaker 3:okay, you're going gonna be talking about five-year-olds, okay so five, yeah, at five, really. And then how do?
Speaker 1:you diagnose somebody with a mental illness at five. Five years old, I mean really it's I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's sad. It's one of the most saddest things I could read. But was I upset? No, because I'm strong, because I knew what they had been through and I knew how they felt. But I wasn't really sad about it. But I just feel they needed help.
Speaker 2:For sure yeah.
Speaker 1:Alright so Pennhurst, they had kids in there, adults. So is there a burial ground on Pennhurst? Is there a cemetery there? Yeah, there is actually okay. Are they all accounted for? I mean, do you know? I mean how many people roughly are buried.
Speaker 3:They were, they were, they're actually. There is a cemetery there, but it's actually closed off because it's actually behind a. The houses, surrounded the houses, surrounded the houses.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:But yeah, wow, they build houses. Well, I mean, it's better than the poltergeist thing, yeah.
Speaker 3:True, but that's what they told me. I just know because they told me not to go back there, so I couldn't. I tried to look for it when I was there.
Speaker 1:It can't be breaking and entering.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's all houses, yeah, or standing through their yards, you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, so I might as well talk about Pennhurst for a little bit here. So it's known to be haunted. I'm assuming Very, very Okay so I know there's a Paracon going there shortly, or within the next couple of months, I think. But how many entities would you say are in Pennhurst? How many do you know? Is there a number of ghosts that supposedly haunt it?
Speaker 3:Well, I can tell you, there is an entity in the Quaker building that is not very nice, not very pleasant. It's a janitor. They call him Skippy basically, but I haven't found the name, so nobody knows his real, actual name. And the ghost hunters call him Skippy. So and they say he, they say he um, they say he um, plays with the girl's hairs, and um and he, um, he actually threw a wrench onto the ceiling one time. That's where I found out.
Speaker 3:Wait, he threw meaning like when he was alive or no, a spirit. He actually threw a wrench like a, a tool, hit the light and actually shattered wow, that's crazy yeah and it's and I um, I said wow and then yeah, and I said wow and then one of the staff people I was talking to about him he actually threw a wrench at one of the staff people.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that staff person is still waiting for more. Wow.
Speaker 1:So that's in the Quaker building. I'm assuming there's other buildings. Yeah, mayflower, okay.
Speaker 3:Anything there? Yeah, there is A lot of stuff they say. They say there's this little girl named Emily. Um, I to me that little girl I don't know, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna. I find there's. I don't want to say it, but there was a patient named Mary. She was 16 years old and she was at Pennhurst. But it was actually a person I was talking to. I went to some research all the way back to 2006 when Ghost Adventures was there. So I was talking to a person on Facebook her name, I'm not going to give out the name so I started talking to her and I said to her that do you have any records or documents? She actually gave me documents and order forms and all sorts of stuff about penthouse and um and I, and then she actually came out and told me that it was actually giving which was named emily. It was actually giving which was named Emily. It was actually giving.
Speaker 3:Oh, which is weird, but I'm not, I don't want to, I don't want to get people pissed off, so but you know, but yeah, it was giving, but I'm not. I said, okay, I just go with it, you know.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Did so. How many buildings in Toller at Pennhurst?
Speaker 3:I. There was a lot, I forgot how many. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So several. I'm assuming a big big forgot how many. Okay, so several. I'm assuming a big big plot of land.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there was stuff up up on the hill too.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I said it's known to be haunted. You said very. So tell me, I'm assuming. When you say like that, that means that there's like a whole shit ton of things that happen. You gave us a couple, or are there any more things that like paranormal wise that have happened to you or that you know of?
Speaker 3:Not much because I think they know who I am recently because I was there before. Um, I just know they know me or know some me, but they they haven't done anything to harm me or like scratch me or anything, which is weird well, it's good, it wouldn't be scratched unless it's a good one. It'd get my shoulder yeah, but when I was at Ledgworth I got scratched really like arm back what? When I got home, I actually got scratched on the arm and then I looked, I looked up on my stomach.
Speaker 3:I actually got scratched on my stomach out of nowhere and then when I came home I started bleeding out of nowhere. I'm like From a scratch, no, like out of nowhere. Like I started bleeding out of my nose, like how am I bleeding? It's weird Dry air capillaries break.
Speaker 1:You know I mean that stuff happens. You know I don't want to be the skeptic or anything. If it is dry air or whatever you are going to get it.
Speaker 3:I actually like Ledgworth. It's one of my main go-to. Well, Pennhurst is my main go-to, but Ledgworth is a very trainable place to do investigations very trainable place to do investigations, so very cool.
Speaker 1:So let's let's talk a little bit about you yourself. I feel this would be so. When did you start getting into the paranormal? How old were you?
Speaker 3:I was actually like five, okay, five or four. I think Okay.
Speaker 1:What got you into it, like what made you decide you liked it, so I was.
Speaker 3:I lived in an apartment one time. I lived in an apartment one time and when I was very young I actually saw. I thought it was my grandma. I actually saw a woman walking up and down the hallway, Then actually ran in my mom's room and then ran in the closet and disappeared. I chased it what the hell? And disappeared I chased it.
Speaker 1:What the hell.
Speaker 3:Okay. I chased because I wanted to know what happened, what the heck. And then all of a sudden, the next, I think the next day, my mom actually got a phone call Like down the street. Got a phone call right down the street. A woman died in a car accident. Is it that weird?
Speaker 1:that is yeah you actually saw her yeah yeah, oh, wow, it's weird. Right, it is weird. Yeah, okay, so you're in an apartment, you're a four-year-old, you know who sees ghosts. I think that's, that's a common theme in about everybody who's into the paranormal. Um it, it starts at a haunted house. See the reason why dw isn't a big fan of the paranormal. He's becoming one.
Speaker 2:He's becoming one though is he becoming one though?
Speaker 1:Is he?
Speaker 2:skeptical, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:That's what makes him one. But he didn't grow up in a haunted house. See me, I did. I've seen all this stuff. It happened, dw. No, he had a foot ghost, that was it, but there was like nothing really happened to him. He doesn't have the basis to want to believe. You know what I mean. But what I noticed is basically anybody who's been a guest, that's been in paranormal, that grew up in a haunted house or had hauntings happen in their home and that started with you too that's pretty cool. So you were four. What did you continue on? I mean?
Speaker 3:if you're. And then I got and then after that we moved out of the apartment. We moved to madam morris, pennsylvania okay and this house was actually haunted too, and this, this was a family. Um, it was a family. It was a family. It was people. My mom told me that my room where I sleep, a woman died in there, and I'm like what?
Speaker 1:the hell. I mean, does she Okay? Did she tell you in your 20s, or did she tell you when you were? When I got older, she told me See, that makes sense. My mom, just out of fun would be like. Johnny, you know, someone died there, right before you go to bed, good night. Good night, someone died in your room.
Speaker 3:And then we got another spirit. It was a man. I forgot his name, but a man actually was in the living room and he was an alcoholic basically, and I think an alcoholic or I don't know, but he actually was sitting in the living room and he actually shot himself in the head, then died, and then he shot himself in the stomach, died, came to his suicide. Yeah, isn't that weird.
Speaker 1:Yes and wait, hold on In your house.
Speaker 3:It was in Matamoros, pennsylvania. Okay, wow, yeah, and my mom started Seeing Things and hearing things and started seeing Shadow figures and in the house and um, and then in my room my mom heard like a big boom hit the floor in my room I was sleeping and and I'm like this was just. She was just telling me this, like when I got a little bit older, you know.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Once we got out of the house. But yeah, there was stuff going on in that house. And then when I was playing the Wii with my brother, all right, yeah, and you remember the Wii, everybody knows, knows the we the video game um my kids yeah.
Speaker 3:So I was playing the wii and I was on my ds. Um. I said, um, matthew, turn that down for a sec. I said turn that tv down for a sec, turn it down for a sec. I hear somebody crying out of the blue all the way in the dining room. Like I hear it. I said turn that down. And then my brother starting here whining, like crying, and then they start up again when we go tell my mom, and then start up again, I'm like, and then when I got closer I started going towards it. I said, and then it got louder, and then louder and louder and stopped I'm like you.
Speaker 1:Okay, chris, we need to talk about how you you got that dog in, you dog All right. So no, for real, like you. This is pretty awesome. You hear a lot of people I know they, you know see ghosts and things like that, but you, when you see one, you run and chase after it. That's two times. You told us this now. When you see one, you run and chase after it. That's two times. You told us this now. So how are you not, especially as a? Okay, let's go back to when you were four or five. How would you not be afraid of that?
Speaker 3:I don't know. I just feel because I want to experience. It's about exploring. It's about what do you want to see and what do you want to tell people? What do you want to tell? That you're how, you're not scared, or you want to tell that you're like a chicken? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean I know I'm not scared of it. I know well, I mean, no, I'm not like, I know, I'm just, I know I, you know I talk to them and things like that and stuff happens and and you know I've seen it. Whatever I mean, does it startle you? Yeah, it's creepy, but never in my life. I'm just this is I'm trying to get to really get you to hear this never in my life have I ever heard anyone say I seen a ghost and I chased after it, like all right, right, like running behind it, chasing it. Yeah, like, usually nine times out of ten people see a ghost. They're like what the hell was that? Yeah, and then like, and then they'll creep up towards it or whatever else.
Speaker 3:I mean you don't see very many guys it was because, it was actually because, if I thought it was my grandma, because oh yeah yeah, because it would. It looked like a figure on my grandma.
Speaker 1:Because you know, I'm not gonna lie, chris, you just, I mean, you took the magic out of it, right yeah? And because, like, if it, if you were just being like because I wanted to see the ghost and whatever, but no, you said you thought it was your grandma. So now it makes it look like you didn't intentionally run after a ghost. So you see what I mean there. Probably just should have left that part out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, because I thought, because I I ran after it because I thought it was my grandma Probably just shouldn't have left that part out. Yeah, Because I thought, because I ran after it, because I thought it was my grandma. But you know, he got one.
Speaker 1:So yes, so the the question I really have for you is this if you see a ghost that's you don't think is your grandma, are you still running after it?
Speaker 3:I probably would, even though it's not there you go because you're there you're there. You're there to experience, you're not. You're there to do history on it. You're there to not be a chicken about it, or you're there to document people why they died. You know and you get what I'm saying, because it's all about finding the truth why they're still here. That's pretty awesome if you did.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, so I kind of want to go back a little bit and then we're going to shoot forward as fast as we can. So, um, when so you're four or five years old, you see this, you, you're gonna you move and you see something else. So at that point, I'm assuming you're really into the paranormal you're like so what are you going to seek? What are you looking for? Assuming you're really into the paranormal, you're like so what are you going to seek? What are you looking for If you're, I'm not going to say you're under 30. So I'm assuming, like the internet when you were a kid, well, I.
Speaker 3:I actually I actually stopped doing it before because I had to focus on school and stuff and I said I just want to get it done and over with. And then I come, I completely forgot about I like the paranormal and so I um. Once I got done, I started doing like um. I started doing like um going to abandoned places. My first abandoned location was in New Jersey, overbrook, overbrook Asylum.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:And that was my first place I went to. That's when I was like 12 years old.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you go in there and explore it, just to see no, I.
Speaker 3:I couldn't go in there because there was cameras, so so I just stuck my head in the window, sat there for a sec, see what will happen, you know. And and all of a sudden I heard something like like like going, like like chasing, like trying to scare me, and I said what the heck was that? And then a friend of mine told a friend of mine told me that it was a creeper. So I'm like what the heck is a creeper?
Speaker 3:yes, I'd like to know yeah, I, I didn't know what it was. So, yeah, everybody want to know what a creeper is but yeah, well, okay, so that stuff started happening.
Speaker 1:You know you're in this place and all that I'm trying to get to like, so what happened then? From there on like what did you do next? What? Yeah, like other buildings uh other research.
Speaker 3:Well, I, I I'm not other buildings, like I just went to the overbrook asylum so just to do documenting, just uh, get the feel of it before they demolish it, you know. And so they demolished that and that's gone. I, I really wanted to do investigation in there. So bad and but it's all demolished.
Speaker 1:Well, you got the research in in the land. You know, the building doesn't mean that the land could be haunted too. So, yeah, you had the research and all that. And, uh, tell us just briefly, how many places have you researched fully?
Speaker 3:Um, probably, like I don't know. I'll say like I'll say about five. Okay, all right, I stick on one location before I go to the next.
Speaker 1:Right that makes sense. So you're on, so I know of three. You said Pennhurst, Yep.
Speaker 3:Enfield. Um, that's my next location.
Speaker 1:Enfield Diebenhaus. Okay, all right, very cool. So what are the other two?
Speaker 3:was I actually I actually did.
Speaker 2:I actually went to new york and I went inside abandoned nursing home.
Speaker 3:I never I never been inside a nursing home. Be honest, I'm being honest until I went to one. That was an interesting place, but, um, I am, I experienced what I experienced in there. I actually been touching the butt.
Speaker 2:So wait at the nursing home, yeah, I actually been touched there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had said we're in the basement, me and my friends, and we're doing the investigation. We were in the basement and we're doing investigation. The lights were off and everything. My two K2 meters were going off at the same time one on shelf and one on the table and all of a sudden something touched me in the butt. I'm like who touched me? I turned around and nobody's there.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good, I thought in Ghost World. No butt stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know, I don't want to offend anyone if I won't say it. What.
Speaker 3:But we experienced a lot of stuff in that place. We experienced banging, knocking footsteps. We actually heard you're going to be creeped out of this. We actually heard talking outside the building like real human being talking, but there was nobody outside. There was nobody there.
Speaker 1:I've had that happen a couple times, but there was nobody outside. There was nobody there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's happened, I've had that happen a couple times there was nobody there.
Speaker 3:And then we started hearing banging downstairs and then we're actually communicating back and forth with the spirit, with the banging, and it was weird. I'm like there's another bang and then, um, and this gets weirder I said the rempod was actually next to me, right, and all of a sudden I asked it. Um, I asked it, I said is there a demon in this building? And right next to me, it actually went off. When I asked it, I said is there a demon? And then, like that went off. I'm like what the heck?
Speaker 1:Well, I was just saying it was a demon.
Speaker 3:Is there a demon in there? I don't think so. Well, I don't believe in demons, to be honest. But if the enfield demon house can prove to me there's a demon, have. But I have a hard time believing demons, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I feel demons exist. I just like I believe everything is demonic, like people. People are assholes, human beings are assholes, and human beings can be dirt downright, methodical and straight evil Right.
Speaker 3:Like Zach and downright methodical and straight evil right like zach bagans, and that's I, I trust me, I, I, I love, I like the guy, but he gets beats too much. But I still watch his shows. I love his shows and he does a good job on them, right, right. There are times that he gets to be too much and then people stop watching him. Saying everything is a demon. Demonic, that's a demon, not everything is a demon.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? That's what I was saying. Human beings, straight up, are assholes and they do horrible things and everything else. So, like it's hard to say that everything is a demon, because human beings are, you know, alive or dead, can be fuckers. So you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:yes, yeah I, I try the same way from drama, because much as possible, because, um, if you say something wrong, all hell will break loose. I mean, you know, but who cares? I't care, Let them say what they want to say, I don't care, but fight with them. But you know, but you know.
Speaker 1:I'm you know like what technology?
Speaker 3:commenting on a link about technology like spare talker I have right or the necrophonic I love the necrophonic, by the way um, um, by the way, it's a necrophonic, not neck.
Speaker 3:Okay, yes, okay yeah, um, the spare talker I like, but some person told me that they're not a real app thing. Okay, I know you said I actually only use it to do research or anything. You know Right, like it's compared to eyes, I I understand, but what if a spirit is actually talking to you that you don't, that you don't even expect to say you know Right. And I actually, like I said, I actually went to Ledgworth with my stepdad and first time and I actually used the spare talker and I was carrying around the spare talker around and we were by the bathrooms, like a little doorway over here right and there was um, um, there was um like a glass on the floor.
Speaker 3:It said. It actually said mirror on the floor, shattered mirror on the floor, shattered mirror on the floor. And then all of a sudden I was, I had my phone right by me and then all of a sudden there was like metal on the shelf and actually said metal.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Sometimes I think it's kind of weird. What people?
Speaker 3:don't understand you people don't understand. It works. You just have to know when it works. You cannot just say it doesn't work. You have to figure it out.
Speaker 1:I don't know, See like I. I know people are skeptical with apps like that, but I'm not going to sit there and say it's not good for entertainment and things like that, because there could be entertainment, Like I think there was one time I was using it and we were like doing a spirit talking thing and it said pigeon nipple, I'm like what the hell?
Speaker 1:okay, that's weird, like why would that even come up? So I I'm kind of skeptical on on the spirit talker, and and why? Because it doesn't say anything of of value. But I'm not saying that it doesn't in in real situations either. So if you're there and it could, you might actually pick up on something that's actually there you want to know something.
Speaker 3:When I was inside the nursing home With my dad this is in New York and I was using the spirit talker, they say this nurse Is evil. And they said I asked it what can you tell me about this evil nurse? And as a matter of fact, it said cops. And then it said bridge. And then it said and then when I came home I did some research on the newspaper article and it said Rose married. About Rose, she actually got shot and there was police there on a bridge yeah, she got shot by a criminal on the bridge.
Speaker 3:Actually, everything showed up on the Spirit Talker. I said what can you tell me about her? They actually gave me all the information about what happened to her. I'm like are you kidding me? And I looked on the newspaper article and everything was like on a dot about it. I'm like what are you kidding?
Speaker 1:me that's pretty awesome, hey. So, chris, I'm assuming like're going to do more research on a lot more different things, and I'm looking forward to hearing from you. So if people want to talk to you, where would they find you?
Speaker 3:You can actually, they can actually text me. Find me on Facebook.
Speaker 2:Okay, and message me Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, anything, I will put them in my group committee. Ghost Exterminator I built the Ghost Exterminator. It's like an archive. I built and so people can do they have to ask permission If they want to use my material. I'm not going to. I built and so people can do like they have to ask permission if they want to use my material. I'm not going to if I see something. If they don't, if people don't ask for my permission, I'll actually kick them out because I'm not going to, because I worked really hard finding all those records and I want to keep them there, but you have to ask permission.
Speaker 3:if you're doing like a project or anything, ask permission by me. You know Absolutely, because they're real documented material, what actually happened in the area.
Speaker 1:Yep, gotcha, it's Chris Mack. On Facebook you have your group. If they want to join, they can look up some stuff. They don't have to ask permission. That's cool. We're starting to wrap up. Before we wrap up, we do this thing at the end of every show called this or that. Basically, what happens is we're just asking you a couple questions and give you two answers and you just pick one. Chris, are you down for this or that? All right, Awesome. One more question, dw. Yep, this is yours. This is my, my turn. Yep, all right. So there you go.
Speaker 2:Fire away, my friend all right, chris, let's start with. Do you prefer to fly or drive?
Speaker 3:Wait a minute Drive.
Speaker 2:Okay, what Wait a minute? What what?
Speaker 3:What is it.
Speaker 2:I'm scared of heights, so oh, okay, so in the car, would you?
Speaker 3:rather listen to Mozart or Zeppelin Zeppelin All right, led Zeppelin, yep.
Speaker 2:Clue or.
Speaker 3:Monopoly, zeppelin, all right, led zeppelin, yep, clue or monopoly. Now you call me off guard.
Speaker 1:What the heck um, um, clue all right that was very thoughtful, I mean hey, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:Would you rather be ghost hunting with the ghostbusters or scooby-doo in the gang?
Speaker 3:ghostbusters. Who can't say no to them?
Speaker 2:you know it's hard to say no to a dog, though that's. That's why people pick hey bill murray bill murray. That's true, yeah, right, okay, um, you perfected your time machine. Do you want to go to 1825 or 2225?
Speaker 3:1825 all right I'll be interesting, actually to be honest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, all right. Elephant-sized squirrel or squirrel-sized elephant.
Speaker 3:Squirrel-sized elephant.
Speaker 2:I think that'd be adorable. All right, are you going to listen to your music on vinyl records or streaming?
Speaker 3:Streaming.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:That makes sense.
Speaker 3:I'm actually a diehard country fan.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:I'm a big fan of Garth Brooks.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, that's the only country I listen to right there, a little big Garth Brooks right there.
Speaker 3:I actually have his cowboy hat. Oh really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, actually a cowboy hat.
Speaker 3:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3:I actually have his flannels.
Speaker 1:Why don't we wait until the end of the show?
Speaker 2:I am going to move on because I'm not a Garth Brooks fan. We'll switch gears to chicken pox or poison ivy.
Speaker 3:Oh boy.
Speaker 2:Right Yep.
Speaker 3:Chicken pox, because I am actually highly allergic to poison ivy. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Alright. Does the toilet paper roll go over the roll or under Over?
Speaker 3:It goes over.
Speaker 2:Alright, I feel like that's the right answer. Okay, last one. Here's the kicker John Olsen or Timothy McVeigh.
Speaker 3:I never heard of these people. Hmm, to be honest, I never heard of these people. Johnny McVeigh.
Speaker 2:Combine the two. Timothy McAlson. Yeah, that should be here.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:That's our next shirt, timothy McAlson.
Speaker 1:John McVeelson. Yeah, john McVay, okay.
Speaker 2:That's a great way for me to I know.
Speaker 1:DW's parting way. That's perfect. Somebody's not a Garth fan. He's not a Garth, I don't know why. Why are you not a fan of Garth Brooks? Dw?
Speaker 2:I'm not a country person.
Speaker 1:Not even Garth Brooks.
Speaker 2:Garth Brooks isn't country, that's country. Garth Brooks is country and I don't like country. I admit he's talented, and musically no, we do. Oh my gosh Of all the impressions in the world, we do not need a Garth Brooks impression from you. No, mute him, Mute John. How do you mute John?
Speaker 3:I actually I can tell you a few artists right now I like.
Speaker 1:Let's not do that to DW.
Speaker 2:It's's gonna be all people I don't like and involved I don't, to be honest, not just country I don't like.
Speaker 3:I like irish music oh, there you go.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's pretty cool I like.
Speaker 3:I like irish pop, hip-hop, rock, all music except for rap and r&b I like some.
Speaker 2:But okay, but I mean we I well, and here's the thing, I feel like I don't know, I feel like rap kind of like there's classic rock, there's classic rap that I feel like we haven't been able to to replicate in recent years I agree I agree, well right now.
Speaker 3:Right now I'm on the hunt, looking for old music I used to listen to yeah, I get you it um pretty easy to get.
Speaker 1:Go to Amazon and get some CDs or Spotify.
Speaker 3:I actually have Amazon Music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's see All right, Chris, you know what it's been fun. Thank you for reaching out to us and sharing with all your research and the cool ghost chasing that you do Appreciate every bit of that. Thanks for coming on, man. It was good. Yep, you're welcome. So, DW, you know what this? Oh, poor DW.
Speaker 2:It's not going to be that long, I'll make it.
Speaker 1:Come on, man, all right, but this is the last time we can, because oh, it's not going to be that long, I know I'll make it. Come on, man, all right, but this is the last time we can, because.
Speaker 2:Oh, dw, I have a question Like sincere, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So, since you don't listen to Scalarius because your own voice is not, is you know? You don't.
Speaker 2:Oh, am I going to listen to the next two weeks.
Speaker 1:Are you going to listen to the next two weeks?
Speaker 2:Ah, that's a good question, because the thing is, I'm just not in the habit of listening to it. I mean, I've got it like saved on my phone. I just never listened to the episodes, but that's's. You know, I I kind oh, here's the thing I almost feel like I have to, for the same reason that I feel like I have to listen to the comic before me when I'm on stage, when I'm going to perform, right, I feel like I have to listen to the comic before me because I feel like the audience just see it, just saw it.
Speaker 2:So I feel like I have to be on the same page as them and so if you know the first comic, did you know 10 minutes on such and such subject? I can't get up there and do the same subject because they just did, you know. I feel like I have to acknowledge what just happened. So I do feel like I'll have to. For research purposes I'll actually have to listen, but I'll be off because I won't be able to listen to the one that just happened until like a week and a half later yeah. That's going to be tricky.
Speaker 1:I know, but it's okay because you know the guy who has the files.
Speaker 2:So I suppose yeah.
Speaker 1:See, you can get like a preview before anybody else does, and then I'll just add it to the Spotify account. Not a problem? No big deal, no big deal.
Speaker 2:But hey, that's a good question.
Speaker 1:Well, I figured I'd ask it because I was getting to this. It just took a long time to get here. This is what I was getting to. If you were listening to it, you know like maybe you'd hear what I'm about to say. Otherwise, if you're not, then this is going to be the last time you're going to hear this for a few weeks. So I just thought if you had anything to say on on my um next, uh, you know statement that I'm about to make you. You know the statement dw.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah yeah, no, I, I I'll leave it to you.
Speaker 1:That's your statement okay, all right. Well, you know, chris, again, thank you very much, it was fun. I appreciate you coming on. You, uh man, you, you delivered some, some stuff and I appreciate that all right. Well, you know what that means. It means that you guys have been amazing, we have been scolarius and we are out Later.