
Scalarious
Frighteningly Funny! Comedians John Olson and DW Surine chat with entertainers, authors and creators about their paranormal experiences, and paranormal experts to back them up! A perfect mixture of paranormal and comedy!
Scalarious
Ep. 86 Dead Slots & Ghost Spots: Las Vegas Soul Searchers Paranormal
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The veil between our world and the next is especially thin in Las Vegas, where decades of intense human emotion, tragic endings, and unfinished business have created a supernatural landscape hiding in plain sight beneath the neon glow.
Mike from Las Vegas Soul Searchers pulls back this veil, sharing his transformation from hardened skeptic to experienced paranormal investigator. A retired law enforcement officer and former Marine, Mike encountered his first unexplainable experience at the notorious Clown Motel, where an invisible energy field sent tingles through his body and raised the hair on his arms. This moment marked just the beginning of his paranormal journey.
The conversation takes us through Mike's most chilling investigations, including his apparent possession at the Jamestown Hotel (captured on video) and physical contact from an entity at the Apache Hotel that had him "screaming like a little girl." We explore famous haunted locations along the Strip, from the Flamingo Hotel where Bugsy Siegel's apparition still wanders, to the Luxor's mysterious activity, to a pet cemetery where the spirit of Stoney the elephant manifests as mist on camera.
What makes Mike's testimony particularly compelling is his background in law enforcement and natural skepticism. After five years investigating the paranormal, he estimates that approximately 99% of Las Vegas harbors supernatural energy – an astounding figure that transforms how we perceive Sin City's famous landmarks and hidden corners alike.
Whether you're a paranormal enthusiast, Vegas visitor, or curious skeptic, this episode offers a fascinating glimpse into the unseen dimensions of America's playground. Follow Las Vegas Soul Searchers on social media to see evidence from Mike's investigations and perhaps plan your own ghostly adventure on your next Vegas trip.
what's going on? This is scolarius, I am john olsen, and with me, as always, is my good friend dw serene what?
Speaker 2:no uh initials? No uh definition of the wow. That's weird, jeez I I usually do this after you say your thing, but you didn't have one today. That's weird. What's are you feeling all right? What's going on?
Speaker 1:uh, well, you know we'll talk later um, but uh, you know you, you haven't sold it for forever, so I you know, yeah, I try, sorry, okay, so so since you haven't sold it, I figured I would blow everybody's mind.
Speaker 2:It'd just be nice all right, yeah, that is. It's throwing me off. Yeah for sure, there you go.
Speaker 1:I mean that's not entirely true because you know, like I don't know if anybody really knows this, but you know, here on the old Scalarius podcast I play a character who's kind of a dick and I mean sincerely it's a character. I mean his name is John Olsen and whatever, but he's still not it's a character. I mean his name is John Wilson and whatever, but he's still not. It's not me, not entirely, but today I figured I would kind of be me, so to speak.
Speaker 2:Me, me.
Speaker 1:And do this kind of I don't know straight-laced, what do you think? Okay, wow, yeah, I know, threw you way off, didn't I?
Speaker 2:80 shows in. Is not the time to start changing things?
Speaker 1:80 sticks. But you know, whatever, that's the part you focus on, yeah. Okay, anyway. You know, sometimes you've got to do something to shake things up. You know, here's the thing. I'm the one saying it this time. What do you think of that?
Speaker 2:You're really throwing.
Speaker 1:Flip, yeah, flipping the whole script today. But you know how can you miss us if we don't go away right? And you know there's let's just say this me we're, I'm gonna say this, enough of this, and then we're gonna move on and and do the fun stuff. But uh, myself and dw are gonna have to have a long talk here, uh, not too long from now, and we are going to decide some things yeah yeah, but anyway.
Speaker 1:So, um, like the whole like how can you miss us if we don't go away, thing, like I just there has been a I'm not going to point any fingers in any real direction, I'll just say this probably south, but there has been a shift, monumental shift in this show, in engagement and things like that, and it's concerning, but also at the same time, you know, I call it kind of par for the course, so to speak, of par for the course, so to speak, when uh, if you uh have been listening at all for the last few weeks, my uh turn, so to speak, from from heel to baby face and in a, in a spiritual way, uh has been.
Speaker 1:You know, that's kind of the thing and you kind of expect people to maybe not agree with all that stuff. So, anyway, big picture type things are coming ahead and everything else, but until then, myself and DW have a lot of pretty cool shows coming up and we're going to start off with this pretty cool one we have today. But hey, don't think that this is the end of this part, because there's something that I forgot to do.
Speaker 1:Oh there you go there we go, and mine is, surprisingly enough, a non-alcoholic beverage of uh, starburst sparkling ice oh okay, it's water. So I mean, yeah, 0 for 2 on the cool part there today, right? Oh well, alright. So how's things going in Serene Manor there?
Speaker 2:D-Dubs you know I they're going good. I am trying to remember how long it's been since we've done this, because I don't know if we've talked since um elf clausen passed away and that's kind of a for us, that's kind of a big deal because he was the uh composer of the Simpsons for many years, yep. And also a few other TV shows and movies, notably Naked Gun, yep, another favorite of mine and also I didn't realize this until recently born in Minnesota, mm-hmm From Minneapolis.
Speaker 1:Alf Claussen. Yeah, I mean, you couldn't get much more Norwegian than that, could you? Or actually it could be German too, but either way but yeah.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, he was, I mean for the first, what 25 some seasons, 25 some seasons like the soul, and also wrote some of those favorites, like we put the spring in Springfield.
Speaker 1:I mean, just don't look Paul Anka and Lisa.
Speaker 2:But I think the composer, like the musical thing, was Alpha Clause and I think the composer, like the musical thing was, was Alphaclass, yeah, and and I'm, I think the the theme song.
Speaker 1:Yep, well, that's Danny Elfman.
Speaker 2:Oh right.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:But anyway, I just thought I mean that's, he was very, he's very, I don't know how integral, but a big part of the success I would feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah talking 36 years, 36 full years of successes. But in speaking of 36 full years of Simpsons and things like that, you know Alf Clausen was not the only person to pass away in the Simpsons universe recently. Rest in peace, marge. Oh, but I don't want to spoil it for anybody. It was a flash forward, so it's years away, but they did actually kill off marge simpson, so you gotta go back and watch the last episode uh season, uh 36 finale either way but um, but yeah and uh.
Speaker 1:Simpsons man, I love the simpsons dw I. I'm a big Simpsons fan. Everybody's like well, family Guy's better. Family Guy is racier for sure, but it's better. The crossover was pretty badass and I enjoyed that. Speaking of crossovers, we did a crossover on our last episode and that was with Static Radio Podcast. It was pretty awesome. Bob Lament is a pretty intelligent guy. He had a lot of very cool insight. Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed it it was yeah, you, yeah, you can't, you can't beat somebody who, like in 85 episodes, essentially finally says, yeah, parents gaslight their kids right. So, yeah, yeah it was, it was pretty awesome. But but anyway, we're this far into the series, I guess, of Scalarius and we're this far into the episode and everybody kind of knows what happens at this point, and that's probably where we let you know where to find us and I'll just say this you can find DW, dw Serene Comedian, on Facebook. You can find me at John Olson Comedian 2.0 on Facebook. You can find us both together.
Speaker 2:But we're not a couple.
Speaker 1:No, we're not, but together on the Scalarius Facebook page. Also, we do have a TikTok, scalarius8, and Instagram. But yeah, if you want to get a hold of us, something nice for once would be great. But if you want to get a hold of us, do so at sclariospod, at gmailcom, and if you want to and only if you want to you can go back and listen to every single episode that we had at sclariospodbuzzsproutcom. And while you're there, I'm assuming maybe there's some sclarious gear you might want, right? Yeah, yeah, um, you could do that. Just go to like crowdmadecom forward slash collections, forward slash scerias pod and you can get yourself all sorts of really cool t-shirts and whatever. You don't want a hoodie right now, unless you're a weird teenager, but, um, yeah, no, you can get all sorts of t-shirts. And then there's hats, you know, uh, I didn't make the swimming stuff, you Just whatever. It would sound stupid, but yeah, you can. You know, dw, if you were going to get a t-shirt today, which t-shirt would you get?
Speaker 2:If I were going to get one, I would probably get the I have no idea who John Olsen is t-shirt. I think that's my favorite.
Speaker 1:Okay, fair enough. You know, I think I would get the old Kripers one, because, even though you hold on, even though you don't really say it, it is one of the fun things for me to okay, I'm going to put this in quotation marks horribly butcher your impression. Yeah, but the old Kripers is a whole lot of fun. Um, yeah, get that one. Or we have hats and and coasters, but they're not coasters, they're coasters. And also, you know, you can get uh, collars and leashes for your pets. Uh, collars and leashes for your pets, yeah, just your pets. And then you could also get, you know, the pet bowl and stuff like that. So if you want to do that, dw, where would they go.
Speaker 2:They go to Crowdmade. The way I would do it is you go to Crowdmade and then search for Scalarius. You can do the full address that John was talking about, or you can just go to Crowdmade search for Scolarius. You can do the full address that John was talking about, or you can just go to Crowdmade search for Scolarius. I'm pretty sure we're the first thing that comes up.
Speaker 1:Yeah you know, if you want to do it the easy way, I suppose, if you want the easy way out, do DW's way. But if you want to, you know, put your work in like us Gen Xers have done, put your work in like us gen xers have done. You, uh, you go to crowdmadecom, forward slash collections, forward slash scolarius pod, and you can find all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, dw, I might do that. You know what I might do, that I might I might go and I might get, get some my own, my my own scolarius gear.
Speaker 1:Because you know, you know, usually, before I go anywhere, before I go on to a holiday, so to speak, an escapade, I usually get new clothes, specifically new underwear. That's kind of the way. Underwear and socks always. It's kind of a weird thing, man, considering the fact that I've done a lot of road gigs, I've got a lot of underwear. So little fun fact, you guys, that was more than we needed to know. Well, whatever, but, um, but yeah, so, and I'm planning to take a trip at DW, I just want you to know this oh, are you going to? Yeah, we did not have a date, okay, but we are booking, okay, it is. I feel I can say this on here, if not too bad. Um, I guess it's for me, but we are going to tie the knot.
Speaker 1:Dw and we're going to do the trip and the honeymoon kind of all at once.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And if you I don't know if you wanted to go get married and have a really fun honeymoon, where would you go?
Speaker 2:Um all at once all at once DW you're. You're telling me where should I, where would I go if I could do like a destination wedding?
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, if you were just the average person and you hooked up with your lady and you want to get married, you want to get married right now. Just say hypothetically you hooked up with this lady 15 minutes ago and you wanted to get married right now doesn't sound like me, but yeah okay, and you could have your, your marriage, your you, your wedding and your honeymoon all in one place.
Speaker 2:I Okay, are we assuming how much? What's my budget here? What do I have to work with your budget is Because that makes a difference. If it's like a million dollars, I'm going to Paris and we're like renting out the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 1:We're gonna make this very, very easy, because I'm trying to lead you to water, but this horse ain't going nowhere. Okay, here's right.
Speaker 2:All right, you have, oh and what time of year also.
Speaker 1:Not summer, apparently. Okay, yes, but okay, so listen you need here? Okay, you have money. You have a little bit of money, some of the money you're going to spend on the wedding and treating your lady right, but the other money you're going to spend, I don't know gambling For long periods. Oh yeah, somebody caught it now, so DW our guest today. Oh man, it took forever to get here, but it's okay, all right, that's why we don't endorse things.
Speaker 2:Because it takes you forever to get to the point I was getting. And please say this is not where you are actually getting married, you're just, we're going to talk about that later, okay, anyway.
Speaker 1:So all right, are you ready for this?
Speaker 1:I'm ready, okay, um, I love Las Vegas, I do. I love Las Vegas Every everything I do. I love Las Vegas Everything, well, almost everything about it. It's a born a good Christian. I don't like a whole lot of it, but I love Las Vegas. All right, and with that being said, I also kind of like the paranormal too, and you know, I just happened to hit up this person. He had the logo of his group is literally the Las Vegas sign. Okay, so how would I not like? I love Vegas, I love the paranormal. Why would I not reach out? Right, so I did, and I want to welcome on Mike from Las Vegas Soul Searchers. Paranormal Mike, how's it going? I'm good, how about yourself? I'm doing? Okay, I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1:DW is we're good. He's playing along. Today we have both blown every all four of you listeners lines your minds, and then we also blew each other's minds today. So he's playing along. He's freaked out on nice. You know, I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, mike, all right. So obviously you're from Las Vegas, you are, you're there and you're going to talk to us about your, your group and how it was formed, and obviously we're going to have a lot of questions along the way. But first of all, mike, how did you get into the paranormal?
Speaker 4:Okay, try to make a long story short. So I never believed in the paranormal. I've always been a skeptic my whole life. And my youngest son, he, grew up watching, uh, ghost adventures. Okay, and I sit there and watch it with him and and I'm going in my mind because I don't want to ruin what he's got going on his impression of the show well man, this is, uh, this is overboard. You know the reactions and stuff they're getting and so when I retire sorry, I was gonna say, it is yeah, yeah so when I retired I actually moved to las vegas.
Speaker 4:I'm originally from california, so when I retired I moved here, my to Las Vegas. I'm originally from California. So when I retired I moved here. My friend who is also from California. He retired and he had a weekly radio show on the paranormal in Santa Cruz, california, and he was already doing the paranormal stuff and I always wanted to find out for myself after being a skeptic. So I hooked up with him and I did my first real paranormal investigation with him here at Antonepah at the Clown Motel, and without even thinking about anything I had my first experience and so after that it's just been going and going.
Speaker 4:And now I've had so many different experiences and things happen and stuff I can't explain. I do believe that there is something out there. Now I can't tell you what it is, but I believe now that a lot of stuff I saw on TV with my kid a lot of it was probably true, Maybe a little bit over-exaggerated as far as their reactions, but there's something to it and that's how I basically got into it.
Speaker 1:That's pretty awesome. Does that include aliens? I mean, you're in Vegas it.
Speaker 4:It's pretty awesome. Does that include aliens? I mean, you're in vegas. I've always been into aliens. I mean, have I seen any or had any experience with aliens? No, I mean, I'm always like. The roswell incident really really is where I started reading and that's sparked my interest on that. I was just out, took a motorcycle ride out to, uh, the extraterrestrial highway and stopped in rachel uh last week a couple weeks ago actually and uh, you know that's all alien themed and I was right there at the dirt road that leads right to the back gate of area 51.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I'm into it so let me ask you this you, you said you weren't a believer, you were a skeptic, but you were cool with ufos. How does how does that work?
Speaker 4:well, the ufos was the same kind of thing. I don't know if I believed what I was interested in you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So, and that's where I am, because I don't have any experience with with aliens or ufos. Do I believe that in this great, big, vast universe, that we're the only life form in it? No, I believe there's other things out there. So right now it's more of an interest than a believing. You know what I mean. Does that make sense? Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 4:I do believe that there is other life out there, because this universe is too big to just say our little. Is other life out there? Because this universe is too big to just say our little tiny ball floating out there is the only one that's able to sustain any kind of life.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's true, but you have to realize, like, if that's the case, then this, an alien civilization, is probably five or six, you know, centuries ahead of us. You know what I mean, because if they're able to travel distances that we've never even thought of, you know, um, there's some pretty smart people on this planet, you know what I mean there was at least.
Speaker 4:Yeah, how do you know? We're just not a big thing in their test, in their lab, like a little test project in their lab, you don't know. See this, our whole, our whole world right now could just be set floating in somebody's lab. The whole universe could just be floating in a bigger lab somewhere, you don't know. The possibilities are endless when you think about it, right?
Speaker 1:Right, right, it's like the Men in Black, the end scene with the locker. Essentially that's what he's explaining. Yeah, it's just, it's a small world kid. I think I can't do it with Tommy Lee Jones, thankfully, but yeah, but all right. So you said you're originally from California. When did you move to Vegas?
Speaker 4:Almost six years ago. Oh, really Just kind of new. Okay, very cool. Yeah, yeah what part of California? Were you Southern? I was from the Central Valley. I was from the Modesto area. Okay, I'm familiar with Modesto, yeah, but I was 70 miles from Yosemite and 90 miles from san francisco, right in the valley there oh wow, yeah. And then I grew. I actually grew up in santa cruz, california, on the coast. I didn't move to the central valley till I was a sophomore in high school nice yeah, that's, uh, that's pretty nice.
Speaker 1:I love coastal cal California, especially southern, more northern California. The Niners Okay, yeah, alright, I just want to let you know we might as well get into it. I'm a Raiders fan. I'm sorry, it's ironic because your hometown team now is the Raiders.
Speaker 4:Yes, I went down there last year for the preseason when the Niners were in town. Yeah, I won't go back to that stadium. It's a hot mess. I didn't enjoy it at all. I love Candlestick. I miss Candlestick. I love Candlestick Park.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, you know, I suppose they're oh, wow, we could probably do a whole episode just on ballparks and whatever. I can almost guarantee you, like I'm especially ballparks, that that were, that are and or were uh football fields, you know, like the oakland, uh, the oakland coliseum, or whatever, and then you had, yeah, so candlestick uh, I was, I was.
Speaker 4:I was in oak Oakland a couple years ago for an A's game. Oh nice, yeah. So Now again, I'm an Angels fan, but my son is a Red Sox fan and he's still in California. They were playing the Red Sox, so I'll go and that's why I like them coming to Vegas the A's, because whenever the Angels are in town I can actually go.
Speaker 1:I don't have to Vegas A's, because whenever the Angels are in town, I can actually go drive four hours. I know that's kind of crazy. I did not know we were going to head in this direction, but it's a fun direction to go in. Yeah, both of those teams from Oakland ended up in Las Vegas. Obviously it's a money deal. Las Vegas doesn't need any more tourism.
Speaker 4:No, when they're putting this stuff. It's just going to create more chaos. I mean, the a stadium is going right across the street from uh x caliber, yeah the tropicana the tropicana site? Yes, and, and I matter of fact, I was down there for the implosion that night but that's true yeah my video online of the implosion.
Speaker 4:But and right across the 15, not far is is, is the, you know. And then, just not far from the a's, where the a's are going, is t-mobile, where the golden knights play, so it just creates a bunch of chaos down there. Whenever there's a game and heaven forbid that there's one or two of these events going on at the same time it's going to be a mess. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:Vegas is scary as it is, and we're going to get into that too see what I did there. But it's even worse when things like that because I remember it was I think it was 2018 or something Um had to have been, uh, but it was the last time I was in.
Speaker 1:Vegas and, uh, it was me and the kids and my now ex-wife and my kids are like they were young at the time and my kids are like they were young at the time and we were kind of we went to Excalibur and I think the Golden Knights let out and it was not. Yeah, that was not fun, especially having two little kids with. Yeah, it was not good yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean everybody just jams right in that big area, right there, after after less, I can't even concerts they have there. I mean, when I went to see Alanis Morse, that there and tool there a couple years ago and just walking out of that place was a nightmare it was, oh my god, took me an hour just to get to my car across the street. It's not.
Speaker 1:I mean, I can talk about vegas and everything about it all day. It's going to ruin the uh, this or that today, but whatever, that's neither here nor there. So we I got to ask what's the scariest thing that you've encountered in Vegas?
Speaker 4:I mean besides the In Vegas, or just paranormal investigation?
Speaker 1:Ooh, is there a paranormal investigation that happened in las vegas. That was scary, or I mean, are you talking like well, I mean I had experiences.
Speaker 4:I mean a lot of my, a lot of my stuff is is outside of las vegas, because trying to get things in las vegas is almost impossible. It's just, I mean a lot of places won't cooperate with you, a lot of places don't want to, you know, once you bringing all your stuff in and all that stuff. So there's been a, there's been one in particular that was outside and kept back in California, but I think the most scariest in Vegas is, um, I guess I was at the apache hotel and yeah, and I I don't really get freaked out as part of binions now, but it's but um, we were in the. There's one room on the fourth floor, just one room, and you can rent that out, but the only thing you go, the elevator only goes the third floor and then there's a stairwell that goes up to this one room at the fourth floor.
Speaker 4:So you got to go to the third floor, walk up this stairwell to the fourth floor and then, when you get to the top of the stairwell, there's a door in front of you and door to the right. The door to the right is the room. The door in front of you goes into the old count room and all the other areas where they got a room with drains in it and stuff you know, and the mafia owned it and stuff you know I don't know. So they won't let me go back there. I want to investigate back there but they so I went into the room, kelly and I my paranormal partner.
Speaker 4:We went into the room, we rented the room for the night, we did investigation and we decided we're going to use the Estes method and that's where you put noise-canceling headphones on, hooked to the spirit box. One person is in another room and the other person is in another area asking questions. If I have the headphones on, I shout out anything I hear come across the spirit box, seeing if it pertains to any of the questions she asked. Well, I went in the closet because it's only one room and I was away from everything. I'm sitting in the closet, I got my REM pod sitting next to me and I had my headphones on and sitting there and shouted out a couple responses I got. Next thing I know from the corner of my side I see my REM pod start blinking and then it felt like something rubbed itself down my neck.
Speaker 4:I jumped so fast out of that closet. I screamed like a little girl and jumped out of the closet. I go, kelly, something just touched me. I'm going, what's going on in here? And I was kind of freaked out because that was the first time I've ever not the first time I've ever been touched, but the first time where it felt like something was touching me you know what I mean Like not just like a spider or a web on me, but something physical had touched me and it freaked me out a little bit.
Speaker 1:I can see why. I've been touched, you know. Know, like by ghosts or whatever, not in the dan akroyd way, but, like you know, touch and it feels weird, it's. It's a different type of feeling than what, yeah, yeah, so it feels. It feels transparent, but also, at the same time, physical, like you. Could you know what I mean?
Speaker 4:well, this one I've had, you know like I've had like I feel like spy, like you run into a spider web or a spider crawl on you and I felt that and with in the video after you feel it you can see like an orb or something flying away. But this one wasn't like that. This felt like something actually grabbed me right right here, just like this, like a real, real object had grabbed me, just like I could feel the pressure. So it was kind of freaked me out a little bit damn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was that your scariest like ever in?
Speaker 4:no, no, I mean I, I have a video online and, um, it's from the jamestown hotel in california and, out of all my four or five years of investigating, this is a place I will never go back into. But I don't remember the actual event, but it's on video and it looks like I was possessed by something and, uh, that was a two-day investigation and I had stuff going on both days, you know. You know stuff that I couldn't explain, like I'm sitting in a chair talking and it felt like somebody just poked their finger in my ribs and I doubled over in pain. And then, you know, I went upstairs take a nap in my room because I was tired and Jamestown is only 20 miles from where I'm. You know the Central Valley where I live. It's right down the road, so I know the area well, so I'm laying. I went and took a nap. I woke up from my nap and I started freaking out because I didn't know where I was. I'm looking around the room like where am I? What am I doing? We're like just, I had no clue where I was. It took me at least 35, 40 seconds to realize I was in Jamestown. So that was kind of scary to me because I had no clue where I was.
Speaker 4:And the first night we went down into the basement and do an investigation, right, and you know, really didn't get anything. I kind of felt something, a presence down there. Well, I didn't really. We didn't get anything because there was like three or four of us in this basement and so we left and we started doing other things and ended the night. Well, the next night I decided I want to go down in this basement by myself. I don't know why I wanted to down there by myself, but something was drawing me down to the basement. So I went, I wandered off and went down there by myself and it's dark down there, didn't have lights on and one. There's a little wine cellar off to the left and in the bigger room off to the right there's a big reefer in the corner and you know big open space where they use for storage, and behind the reefer there's a space just big enough to crawl back into the back corner. I mean, walk back into, not crawl. And so I go, I'm gonna go back there and see. And I started walking there and I got halfway across the room and I stopped dead in my tracks and I felt like something didn't want me to go back there, and this was relatively new to paranormal stuff. So I said you know, I you know. So I forged on and went back there, and that's the last thing I remember.
Speaker 4:The next thing I remember I'm up the top in the bar area, which is just around the corner from where the stairs are for the basement, and I'm in there and I'm looking around, like just looking around, and then I just suddenly heard my buddy, paul, go Mike, are you okay? Mike, are you okay? And then it dawned on me okay. And then I said man, I asked what, what the F just happened? And he said well, it looks like you were possessed. So I don't know, that's all I know. I don't remember anything to happen, but it's on video, paul. Paul had the recorded everything.
Speaker 4:So that's all that you can do it's on my youtube talk, yeah, but, and then, if you see me, I'm a little heavier there. I was your guy back then, but it's me. And then, uh, ghost adventures I guess the gal that was with me posted it on her tiktok and it got like 300 000 views. And about three years ago, ghost adventures got a hold of me the producer and asked me if they go to Jamestown, would I be interested in coming back? And so I agreed, but then I never heard anything else.
Speaker 4:And two years later fast forward to two years they go. Hey, we're going to Jamestown, will you still be willing to come up here? And I did. And I did, and I went in there. And after what? After I walked out and I told him I'm not going back in there, I'm done with this place and I'll never go back in there, cause whatever it was was still affecting me two years later. And so they that that that episode filmed a year ago, a year ago, june, and it still hasn't't aired. So I don't know. So if, look for ghost adventures, jamestown, if it ever airs.
Speaker 1:So oh, yeah, well, good for you, man, good for you. That's pretty badass. Well, I mean, it's kind of cool and you figured it would make for good tv, right? If you like, if you're the guy that they want to like, have you know, come up there and talk, or there and talk or whatever. Then you're like no, I'm not going back in there, it's going to make for good TV.
Speaker 4:Well, they wanted me to go back in there at the end of the night and they call them hero shots, take some pictures. And I said, no, you can take all the pictures you want out here in the parking lot or in the street, but I ain't going back. Wow, done with that place. Some something there don't like me. People can go in and out, have anything affect them, but it seems like every time I walk into that place there's some bad energy that I don't. I'm not. I don't know if it's personal or not, but it doesn't like me and I can feel it. Last time I was in there with ghost adventures, I felt it trying to attach to me and I was done. I walked out. I don't need this. So that's one place on my adventures. I will not go back.
Speaker 1:Wow, I mean okay, so that one got you You're not going to go back. There's obviously some. Is there a location that you have investigated many times that you like going back to? I love the Washoe.
Speaker 4:Club. I've done it in Virginia City.
Speaker 4:I've done it three times, and I mean always always something going on in there. And the last time I went in there my group left. They didn't leave for the night but they wanted to go down to the little spot opened up and get a beer and some pizza. And it's like two o'clock in the morning and washoe club at the door. When you're done for the evening or when you're leaving, you have to lock it from the outside. So if you want to take a break and go down down the restroom or something down right down the road there, somebody's got to stay inside to lock it from the inside. They let everybody else back in. So I decided everybody wanted to take off. I said, okay, I'll stay here.
Speaker 4:So I was locked down there two hours by myself at like 2 am in the morning. Wow around and it was eerie, but I really didn't have any. It's funny because before they left we were getting some responses, but when I was locked in there for the two hours by myself I didn't. I didn't have any. It's funny because before they left we were getting some responses, but when I was locked in there for the two hours by myself I didn't feel anything. I mean I was on edge because I was locked in this big three-story dark building by myself. You know Right. But I've had a lot of experiences.
Speaker 4:I got scratched in there in my back, so I didn't even realize it until my partner said hey, lift up the back of your shirt. I did and she starts freaking out. And I didn't even know what she was freaking out. I'm going what, what, what? I'm looking behind me and she's going oh, my god. I said what you know. I thought I was dying or something, the way she was reacting.
Speaker 4:So I mean, I suppose the scratch is kind of like if it appears out of nowhere you know what I mean like well I had my I had, I had my vest on and you know, I carry a like a load-bearing vest so I can put a bunch of equipment in there so I don't have to keep running back and forth. And so I had that on and a sweatshirt, because it was in the winter time and there's no way anything could have scratched me. So I'm not sure what it was damn okay.
Speaker 1:Well, you, you get have some experiences, I. And how long did you say you've been doing this?
Speaker 4:since I retired probably about a little over five years now and and what's weird is is ever since the jamestown episode, I I feel I like before I started doing it, you know, I didn't really I've done like a couple small investigations and but since jamestown I start feeling like out of nowhere emotions and and feel like energy, and so I mean there's times doing investigations where it was just so, so overwhelming that I there's one time I actually broke down crying. I'm going I don't know why, but I did, I actually broke down crying, and that was at the washoe club right after. I believe who I was contacting was Debbie Constantino. So, yeah, so that was very emotional.
Speaker 4:And then the first time we went, kelly was staying at the Silver Queen and that's like an old hotel, I mean, it's, you know, 1800s, and the room still looked like that, with the exception of the plumbing and stuff, and the stairs are still straight up like that. So we went down to her room, jeff and I, my other partner, we went down to her room and we were smoking a joke.
Speaker 4:And I walked in the restroom, I walk out and there's a chair in the corner and I sat down in the chair and we're having a good time and all of a sudden I just felt really really sad. I got quiet and I just felt and they're going, mike, what's going on? I said, oh no, I go. But I feel really really sad right now. And there was no reason for me to feel sad, but I, you know, so I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So like I think you picked up something, you got sensitive.
Speaker 4:I want to say yes, but I'm not 100% sure. All I know is something changed after the Jamestown Hotel. For me personally, I can usually walk into a room and I can tell Kelly I go, yeah, I feel energy in here, I feel something in here, and then when we start investigating, we'll start catching little things here and there. Or I could walk into a room and say, well, it's pretty quiet in here, I don't feel anything. And a couple of times, yeah, we caught some stuff where I don't feel anything. But almost every time when I said I feel, feel something, feel energy, we start getting a lot of good evidence. So I don't know energy. We start getting a lot of good evidence. So I don't know, I can't explain it, I don't know what it is, but I do feel emotions a lot. I think I I channel emotions a lot, and a lot of it, most of it, is very, very sad. Damn. I've never experienced a happy emotion that's see, that's what sucks.
Speaker 1:I mean, you get all of a sudden you know, know, you get sensitive to like spirits or whatever, and then they're all sad ones. You never get anybody. That's like jolly and you can't.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know I've never had a happy. It's all been sad and I don't know. I don't know if that's because the way they died, or if just being stuck in whatever purgatory or whatever they're stuck in is just depressing to them or something. I don't know Damn.
Speaker 1:Hmm, that's yeah, that's messed up, do you? Do you do just public investigations, or have you done private?
Speaker 4:We've done a few private homes. I like, like just last week, I want to Kelly, my paranormal. Everybody calls her my paranormal wife because we're always together for paranormal stuff, even when we go out of town. So she's actually just my paranormal partner.
Speaker 4:We did a friend of hers house. Her, her friend, was getting, uh, felt like in the middle of the night she was getting touched in her bed. So we went over there and we did just a couple weeks ago we did an investigation of her bedroom and we were doing an evp session and I was asking questions. We're asking questions and we played it back and I forget what the first question was, but you're very, very faint, yes, in the background. After we played it back and then I asked are you the one touching Michelle? And, um, clear as day, a female voice comes across and goes yes, and so that was oh, my god, we're all going. Wow, we got this, you know, just answer to our question. And then we walked out of her room. We're in the hallway where I had all my gear stage. I had my camera set up in the corner of the room, looking in the room and I had. I don't know if you'd ever seen the para bell.
Speaker 4:But it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like a hotel bell yeah yeah, yeah, but it sits on a box and you can charge it and you can change the the levels of the sensitivity on it. I had that sitting on the the gal's nightstand and the camera where you can hear us talking outside the room. All of a sudden, you see this orb starts flashing and moving down to like toward where the camera is. Then it moves across the bed and toward the bell and you can hear the bell go clink and as it's shooting off into the bathroom. So it actually moved to the bell and you actually hear the sound of the bell as and then it flew off. You can see it flying off into the bathroom.
Speaker 4:So we did get a couple good pieces of evidence there huh and that and then we, you know we did a couple other private residents with, with, with some stuff, but not a lot are these newer homes or older?
Speaker 1:because, okay, because I think las vegas, in in the area, it's ever expanding right. So are these newer homes or older?
Speaker 4:to the area well, one of them was probably built in the maybe 70s, but the one we did where that happened was definitely a 90s, mid 90s house, just like mine. So, okay, yeah, so, and that one was off in henderson okay, yeah, so complete opposite direction.
Speaker 1:But yeah, way on the other side for me all right. So, um, that's. That's brings up an interesting point. You're in las vegas. A lot of people just end up disappeared, um around there, and a lot of housing went up in a very kind of I mean short period of time. If you think about it, so is it stupid to think that there's a lot of bodies just under a lot of these houses?
Speaker 4:I mean, if they were very deep, probably you probably wouldn't even know they were there. But they'd have to be buried deep because you know they come in with all kinds of equipment and turn everything on. So if they were buried deep enough, yeah, you probably wouldn't know there was something there. I mean, just look a few years ago when they find all those bodies in Lake Mead, when the water level was down. I mean.
Speaker 1:Did they ever did mean I? I mean obviously they were kind of far gone, but did they ever like id any of these people? Or they were they like notorious for being part of the mob?
Speaker 4:or well. The only one I heard of was actually it was a man just said he was out there enjoying himself and his family, and he drowned and disappeared so one of the guys they found were him with the ones in the barrels. I don't know if I've ever heard that they've been identified, you know. So they're in barrels.
Speaker 4:You know what that means yeah, so it was most definitely mob hits or whatever yeah exactly there's a lot of areas out here that I mean I've done like I went out to the uh boulder city caves and what they are.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm talking about. They're, um, it used to be the rail line for the all the equipment and and supplies going in when they built the Hoover Dam. There's like five caves to the side of the hill so they can get all this stuff in there. And number three was supposed to be really active and haunted. I guess GA did an episode there. So Kelly and I humped out there at night. I mean, it was like two two-mile hump out to cave three. And then I put my trip wire out, which is a long strand of independent EMF detectors all hooked to one wire. It's like a, so each one is individual, go off individually. And then I put out my Paralantron outtern out there. Well, the whole night we were in this cave, so both my paralantern and this tripwire was just going nuts. It went non-stop just all night and then I started feeling. I started feeling nauseous and sick and and drained and I told kelly I gotta, I gotta take a break.
Speaker 4:I can't be in here anymore. And kelly starts feeling the same way. And kelly never feels anything. You know what I mean? She, she doesn't feel. Out of all of her hunts she never feels anything like I feel. And then she started feeling this way in this cave. So I'm saying, kelly, if you're feeling it, can you imagine what it's doing to me? So we got out for a little bit and then we went back in and it was just. It was just. Whatever was in there was really heavy and there was definitely something in there, but the wind was too high for evps and all this other stuff and just noisy all around us, lightning and thunder outside. So, and just like I went down to the Natural History Museum a few days ago for an after hours show and I used my para-lantern and the same equipment I used in this cave nothing all night, they were just silent all night, but inside that cave they were both going crazy.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. I was going to ask you. I was going to get into this and ask you what areas I was technically going to name some things off and you tell me whether or not you think they're haunted or have heard stories. If there is a story attached to it, please feel free. We're going to start with the first one, because I've heard several stories about this, including the fact that they're like some 700 and some people died or whatever while creating it. So the hoover dam do.
Speaker 4:I believe there's energy there. I believe I believe there's something. I've never felt anything. I've only been out there a couple few times since I've been here not to investigate anything. But I can tell you, I can tell you that that that trail it used to be like a rail trail but now it's a trail. There's something in in those tunnels. There's energy in those tunnels leading out to the area where they put the equipment. So I'm sure people died building it. There's, there's plenty of energy there.
Speaker 1:Just the only time I can get there is when everybody's there and it's hard to do anything yeah, there's always a lot of people there taking uh damn hot dogs and, you know, drinking the damn coke, you know damn coke the damn, damn, where's the damn damn tour. Um, so anyway, I uh all right. So there's that. Let's go to an iconic hotel. Let's go to an iconic hotel. Let's go to the first resort in Las Vegas, the Flamingo. What have you heard about the Flamingo?
Speaker 4:I have heard and, like I say, it's a busy area so it's hard to investigate, but I've heard out in the back, like where the flamingos are and the fountains and stuff. I've heard that people have actually seen apparitions of bugsy siegel back there and they've actually seen him wandering back there, so I've never witnessed it and I've never investigated there, but I've heard stories that there's a lot of energy in there and people actually stated that they have saw the apparition of bugsy siegel back and I have been.
Speaker 4:I have been to his death house in Hollywood. I did a little video outside of it where he was shot. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:But he's buried in Vegas, right? No, he's buried in California, yeah.
Speaker 4:Believe it or not, there's not a lot of celebrities buried here. There's a handful of them and some people never heard of. Red Fox is here and I actually did a little investigation of his grave tony curtis and robin leach from the lifestyles of rich and famous, he's here and then, you know, like the old man from pawn stars, he's right down the road from me, right, but you believe it or not. And there's a couple athletes, and I think there's one like 1960 porn star, but you know there's not. There's not a lot of uh, not a lot of celebrities buried here, a couple athletes and not a lot of stars.
Speaker 2:I've done a lot of research and well, because most stars who go to vegas don't consider Vegas their home. They perform there, they do shows there, they might even have a residency there, but not many of them call Las Vegas home.
Speaker 1:A lot of them buried in Hollywood and California and stuff like that, except Wayne Newton, who will most definitely be buried in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, he doesn't own Shenandoah anymore, but he's been here probably almost his whole life. Yeah, so he's still breathing.
Speaker 1:Yes, he is. So I've heard of the Luxor having problems. I mean, is that a thing?
Speaker 4:No, we were actually just discussing the other day. There's a couple rooms we want to rent there and investigate. That's on our list, because I've heard that there's activity in certain rooms and certain hallways there. I'd be interested in going in there and finding out. Have I done anything?
Speaker 1:No, have I read about stuff happening there? Yes, but that's that's on my list. Um, let's go to the I mean one of the fancier hotels, the Bellagio. Ever heard anything about the Bellagio?
Speaker 4:yeah, I'm ready really read anything on the Bellagio. Okay, all right, so we're gonna go the Bellagio.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. So we're going to go from Bellagio, we're going to cross the street there, probably on the Skywalk, because we're not idiots, we're not going to try dodging. Las Vegas traffic.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Frogger yeah. I know right.
Speaker 1:I still know Frogger, though, but Frogger was a good game, yeah, so we're going to cross that skyway and we're going to go to Caesar's Palace. Ever heard anything about Caesar's Palace?
Speaker 4:Actually no, the only ones I've heard. If you ask me about the hotels, I've heard Flamingo, lexor and the one I'm trying to get a room to right now, and then obviously Binion's and the Apache, and I've heard stuff. A lot of the big activity I heard is on on the old old casino still operating on fremont street yep, yep, I was gonna say I think fremont was actually one of them too um yeah uh fremont, and then uh, golden, nugget, golden nugget yeah
Speaker 4:oh yeah, because golden nuggets is a hotel I'd like to investigate because from from like maybe the first or second floor on up to the steakhouse, they just reopened it. There's nothing there. The rooms are there, but they don't rent them out or anything. Yeah. So the good portion of that hotel is vacant, but you can't get in there to investigate. You know, my name was Zach Bagans. I probably could get into places like this, but unfortunately it's not, which is ironic.
Speaker 1:I mean it's not ironic, your name's not zach bagans, that's not what I'm saying. But it's ironic that if he could get in, he probably does get in there, but if he could, that he doesn't film it. You know what I I mean, because that's what he's about. I mean, you wouldn't have that, you wouldn't have the museum there if you weren't about trying to get people to be all like, hey, look at me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah well, I worked at his museum for like eight months.
Speaker 1:Only eight months. Was that a personal decision or was that because you?
Speaker 4:know I was retired and at this point, at this point in my life, I wanted to go there and have fun and do my job and, you know, interact with the guests and everything. But at the point where it becomes like you know, I'm the chief, and then you know you're just a little down here and you know and treat me like I'm dumb, I, I'm out. I just one day came to work and a little incident happened and I said you know, I grabbed my water and I started walking. I go, I go out to the parking lot and the guy goes where are you going, I said I'm going home.
Speaker 4:Man Peace out, went home. I told him from when I started I go. I don't need this job. I'm here because I want to be here, right told them from when I started.
Speaker 2:I go. I don't need this job.
Speaker 4:I'm here because I want to be here. Right, right, I'll be here until I don't want to be here anymore. And at that point I didn't want to be there anymore that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4:Too bad it wasn't zach himself you know people talk a lot of crap about zach and I've had a few interactions with them. Actually I've never had and I'm not I'm not trying to defend them or anything because I haven't had a lot of but every interaction I've had with them that has been pleasant. So you know, I can't, I don't. I'm sure what people say might be some truth, but I can say, as far as me, I don't, I haven't seen it I, you know it's not like I'm talking smack about him because I hate him or anything.
Speaker 1:I don't hate anybody. So do you hear that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but don't you talk smack about him like pretty much every time you mention his name.
Speaker 1:Yes, but not really talking smack. It's kind of like, how would you say this? I'm trying to, if this was the professional wrestling world? I'm trying to set up an angle, if you know what I mean. I'm trying to get him like, if any, if he hear, yeah, he's not going to hear it. I don't even think his assistant would hear this. But anyway, like I'm just saying, his assistant's assistant probably wouldn't the cab driver that the assistant is in the cab, probably he's not even listening to this. But okay, so I, I want to have this rivalry with him a little bit. I feel it would be fun, I, you know, and he could talk about how nobody knows who I am, and he would be right, but still, and I would just continue to talk smack about him, like I, like I said, and then we can have like a um, a bench pressing contest, because I I'd be fast to that.
Speaker 4:So yeah, see where I differ with you is I'd like to actually investigate with him just to be able to get into some of these places I can't get into.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I can see that yeah. So, that's what my mindset is. Man, I'm going, wow, I, just because he gets into. Some places are really, really great and I just want to do them, but because I'm not, that I can't and I'm a place that won't let you go get into. You know a lot of places unless you are rich and famous, you can't get into.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think, john, I think it's not that you give him crap, I think it's that you feel like he's in it more for the entertainment value rather than genuine ghost hunting that's my opinion, but yeah, I, I can agree with you, but I mean, like I told you earlier, I think, I think, I think some of it is actual, actual, actually genuine.
Speaker 4:I just think sometimes it's a little over exaggerated, because I and that's the- other thing, he it seems like he's very uh overdramatic.
Speaker 4:But you know it's tv and you got to keep the people interested, right? I mean I I don't know how else to say it, but I mean, I think some of their experiences are true. I just think they're a little bit overreact. I can tell you right now that Aaron is a great guy. I spent two hours talking to him one night. Anything that happens to Aaron in those places I would take it at face value. Wow, really. Yeah, aaron's a genuine guy. He's a down-to-earth, straightforward, no-nonsense guy.
Speaker 1:It always seems like he's, he's zach's, like puppy, like go in there, aaron, I'll come in right after you, or whatever. Like he's the best.
Speaker 4:I think that's his spot on the show. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's that's his, that's his, that's his, that's his forte. That's what he's there yeah so so, but he is, he is genuinely a good dude and which is is sad.
Speaker 1:It's not sad, he's a good dude, but it's sad. What occurred for him, um, you know. So, yeah, poor guy, that's all I can say. You know, the, the person that you are supposed to trust, what I mean? 100 like the, not the most, but you're supposed to have a whole lot of trust in your spouse, and to have that happen is just ridiculous.
Speaker 4:So well, cheating on you is one thing, but trying to get you murdered is a whole different game.
Speaker 1:So DW, I don't know if you knew about this or whatever, but Aaron's wife who's soon to be ex-wife quickly, I'm assuming hired somebody to have him murdered.
Speaker 2:That does put a damper on their relationship. It does. She's actually in, absolutely.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she's actually, she's actually in jail now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they got her Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's I mean yeah, I well, and I would hope so. Yeah, that's that, that's unfortunate, you know well, it makes it even worse.
Speaker 4:If you know him, you know how nice of a guy he is yeah yeah, people most definitely shouldn't go through that.
Speaker 1:So is there any place touristy in Vegas that people don't think about?
Speaker 4:that is haunted and you wouldn't know it the flamingo, I mean a lot of places on fremont street. I'm sure a lot of those people go there. They don't. They don't think about ghosts or anything like that. You know what I mean. And then if you go out to about 30 miles out of town in a little place called good springs, there's a the pioneer saloon out there. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. Okay, yeah, but that's supposed to be active out there. That's the saloon that Clark Gable waited to hear about his wife who crashed in the plane out there on the side of the mountain out there in the 40s when she was coming back from the USO tour. And supposedly Clark Gable's cigar burn is still in the bar. And then there's bullet holes in the wall still from back in the day when a car, somebody cheating on a card game, got shot in there. So it's very little. It's a cool little bar out there.
Speaker 4:That is so I I believe, that place is is haunted A lot of history there.
Speaker 1:Have you been to the Clown Motel?
Speaker 4:I have. That's where I had my very first real ghost hunt, my very first experience. I've done the Clown Motel.
Speaker 3:All right, well, let's talk about it. I just got done filming.
Speaker 4:I just got done being a clown in the movie Clown Motel 3.
Speaker 1:Really, that's pretty badass, seriously. Yeah, that's cool. So what happened? What was your first experience?
Speaker 4:My buddy Paul, because it's when I first started out, my buddy Paul and I. He said I'm going to take you out to Clown Motel. We're going to go investigate it, he had already done it once before.
Speaker 4:And I said, said, you know, I'm going to take you out to Clown Motel, we're going to go investigate. He had already done it once before. And I said, sure, let's go. And we got there and we had just started taking the equipment out of the truck and put it in the room, right, and we're talking.
Speaker 4:And you know, I'm just reaching around my pocket and I don't know if you've ever just felt like when you reach in your pocket, I'm just reaching around my pocket. I don't know if you've ever just felt like when you reach in your pocket, you feel like a piece of trash or something in there. And I just was walking over. I was just walking over to the trash can to throw it away, because it was there and I wanted to get rid of it. And I walked across the room trash cans on the other side of the room, under the sink, by the mirror. I threw it away, I walked over there and even before I got in the trash can, I just felt like this tingling, like I walked into some kind of energy and for very first experience I didn't know what was going on. I had tingles going all through my jaw and the hair on. Both my arms were standing straight up and I turned around like a paw paw. Oh, look at this. And that was actually. You know that was a ghost adventures moment.
Speaker 4:I was actually going, oh, look at this. Well, look at this. You know I was a ghost adventures moment. I was actually going. Oh, look at this, look at this. You know I was freaking out because that was my first experience, you know. And he's going, oh, and he's looking and he's gonna go to paul. My cheeks are just like tingling, they're just like massive tingling. And, uh, later on we did, we, during the investigation, we're doing a SLS camera aimed in that part of the room and it looked like that mirror just above the trash can was some kind of portal or something, because there was figures jumping in and out all night. I mean, it was just then it'd go away, and then here they are coming in and out of that mirror all night. So that just put some validity in what happened to me Something. Either I caught something off guard or we caught each other off guard and we weren't expecting it, but I felt like I just smacked into some kind of energy just casually walking across the room.
Speaker 4:Yeah, those are first experiences there or first experience ever first, first experience ever, wow yeah, dude, that's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would that tripped me out a little bit.
Speaker 4:It freaked me out. Now I'm just kind of used to it. I'm expecting stuff like that now that's cool.
Speaker 1:So you said you were in clown motel three. Were you in clown motel one and two?
Speaker 4:no, this one. I just happened to go to a little day of the dead convention they had at the plaza hotel here and I met some of the clowns. They had a booth set up at this, this little convention, and I started talking to them and stuff. And there's's this one gal, her name's Mary Kate and she's like the queen of all these B you know, indie movies. And so I left and I posted the picture of the I took with them on Facebook and she commented and we started talking and she goes hey, come on out, we're going to be filming this. You know, last day of filming is out here. And she said okay, I go, I'm all set, I got my clown, my clown, stuff from halloween I used last year and stuff. And so I went out there and and, uh, you know, got the last day of filming and got to be like an extra where I'm actually swinging the sledgehammer and somebody and stuff like that, and I just bought my ticket to go to the premiere in Hollywood in October.
Speaker 4:That's awesome, so it was pretty fun. It was interesting. I'm hoping to do some more stuff like that, but I have. I have pictures on my uh Tik TOK and YouTube of me out there with them filming.
Speaker 1:That's really awesome. I would love to do that. If you, yeah, tell your I have acting experience. I was a principal character in a feature film. Yes, yes, it had all sorts of escalades, all sorts of escalades Not even escalades that too Accolades. But yeah, it was. No, it didn't. It was a good movie. But whatever, I was. You got your sad part. That's all that matters. So I'll be damned. Well, I mean I don't know. I was sitting there thinking like we can't end on the clown motel. I mean that's just.
Speaker 4:I did another little old hotel. It's on Las Vegas Boulevard, between the Strip and Fremont Street, an area they called the Naked City and it's the Oasis Motel. And I did that with another married couple and two relatively known people died in the same room at this hotel only like four months apart. So, the first one being the 1980 and 81 World Championship of Poker, stu Unger, the youngest ever win, and the next one would be David Strickland. He was on the sitcom with Brooke Shields, suddenly Susan, he played Todd, and they both died in the same room. What? Four months apart. Yeah, and you know Stu Unger was, I guess you know he was a lot. His cause of death was years of drug and alcohol abuse Cause there was very, very little in his system. When he, when he, they found him but they said that the abuse just took a big enough toll on his body that he died. And and and Strickland, he killed himself in the room. He hung himself in the room.
Speaker 4:He was bipolar, battling that stopped taking his medication was drinking and drugs and partying with Andy Dick and the night before, as he was done partying they the next day they found him hung himself in the room and we got a little bit of activity in that room and we got a little bit of activity in that room, um, but some of it was funny though like we were doing the estus method in that room and we were with another married couple, um, and the wife was in the bathroom sitting on it, you know, sitting there with the headphones on the spirit box, and her husband, myself and Kelly were sitting on the bed in the other area and I don't know, we were tired. It was toward the end of the night and we were like all like goofy and stuff and we started talking about boobs for us and the husband goes and she hadn't said really anything coming out of the bathroom, but the husband goes is one boob identical to the other boob? And just like that she shouted out you hear from the bathroom, yes, so she got. Yes, come with this policy spirit box on this question that he asked. So that was pretty funny. I actually have I have the whole audio on my, my tiktok, on my youtube, so you can hear the whole thing a lot, uh recorded what happened that night as far as that.
Speaker 4:And in the closet it was weird because I felt energy in the closet and I had a, a pair of lantern on each side of the closet and they start going off simultaneously. They're just deep lights flashing. And, uh, I hooked up the sls camera, I went in there and I was capturing figures on both, both sides of the closet where the lamps were, and they're both. We tried to get them to respond to us so we can actually say that we've actually captured something. And they both appeared to be responding to what we were asking them, like move your arm. This one and the one of them looked like they were sitting on the ground. I go, can you? You know, can you please stand up for me? And it looked like it stood up for me. So, yeah, that was kind of crazy. In that room, no evps or anything, but wow, damn, oasis motel, room 20.
Speaker 1:So what's scarier the oasis hotel or the neighborhood?
Speaker 4:probably the neighborhood. I'd rather deal with the dead than the crazy alive.
Speaker 2:That makes sense oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Naked City is pretty whack.
Speaker 4:It's yeah, so this hotel was built like in the 40s, like right after, obviously north of the stratosphere, on las vegas boulevard. Yeah, it'd be north, just just north. You can walk out from the, from the driveway, and the stratosphere would be right to the, the left, your left, if you're in las vegas boulevard, I got you nice, that's cool.
Speaker 1:So not too far away from the uh, the pawn shop either uh hello, I'm here, hello.
Speaker 2:I'm here he's. He might be frozen.
Speaker 1:I think he's frozen. Were you frozen?
Speaker 2:I was waiting for him until I realized he was not.
Speaker 1:What would I say? I don't know, I didn't think I was I don't know. I was looking at you and I was like, is he moving? He's not moving and then you said something I was like, oh okay, he's unfroze, but oh and he's gone, so he may have uh yep, he found out that he no longer was interested in this show, which took people 86 episodes. But you know him. I don't know the whole one are you sure, let's.
Speaker 2:I want, I want to give him. He seems he's got some good stories, seems like he seems like a nice guy, I'm gonna give him a chance. Let's give him a few minutes, because me and you can talk. Because I bet you anything he's going to pop right back on.
Speaker 1:He's going to pop right back. He's going to say sorry something happened.
Speaker 2:I'm going to pop back.
Speaker 1:If he doesn't, yes.
Speaker 2:And if he doesn't, again I want to you know in his defense. It's possible he lost internet or lost power or something like that, and that's why I just randomly cut out so or he just he was tired of dw's crap you know, I don't know let's probably not.
Speaker 1:Uh no, he probably just lost power or lost internet or both. You know, it's vegas who knows what could happen there, like uh yeah, he was talking about ghosts and stuff, so therefore that could have happened there. He was talking about ghosts and stuff, so therefore that could have happened. Maybe they came and that's it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, someone heard him talking about them and decided to.
Speaker 1:They whacked him. I mean spiritually, yeah, oh, but damn see, I know, I bet he's going to come right back on. He didn't. You know what, dw, despite what you were saying, he did not hate me. He thought I was pretty awesome and I knew he was going to come right back on. So you know, I know, but I can't believe you're saying that. Okay, so, mike, in case you, I'm back. So DW was saying that you left because you could no longer handle me.
Speaker 4:So that's not bad, dude. I was a Marine and I'm retired. Law enforcement I can handle anything, buddy.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you brought it up. I was going to ask you because you said you were humping. Yeah. But that's military talk for walking, hiking, getting up and whatever.
Speaker 4:So I can't say, you couldn't force hike.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I was. Um, yeah, I was, I was catching that you were former military. Then you said former law enforcement.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh wow, um, I'm retired out of california, nice.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's when you? Okay, I was like you look young-ish, so I was assuming that your retirement was from somewhere that you weren't working until you were 70. I'm probably older than what you think. Okay, well, I mean, fair enough, we don't have to. I'll be 62 in January, okay, but still young, young, young for retirement, yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, I retired at 56 yeah, so all right, as long as we're doing this.
Speaker 2:The craziest thing that you've seen has it been from your military experience law enforcement or ghost hunting.
Speaker 4:Well, I can tell you, probably law enforcement, I mean, I spent a lot of times and I, before I went into the sheriff's department, I worked at the federal Bureau of prisons. So I've seen a lot of inside the facilities. I've seen a lot of death and, and you know, a lot of a lot of carnage just from you know, fights and stabbings and stuff like that. So I I think I think the most disturbing things I've had, you know, feces thrown at me, I had a urine thrown at me, I've been punched, I've been kicked, I've been beat, you know, so I would say, inside the facilities, as far as as is more disturbing to me than anything I've done, paranormal.
Speaker 2:So the paranormal seems not so weird compared to the living.
Speaker 4:No, no, the living to me is weird.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, all right. So I'm going to ask you this inside the prison system, or, you know, or Vegas streets, which one are you choosing?
Speaker 4:I would choose inside the systems, because at least I have a little bit of control in there and I know what I'm dealing with. On the streets you have no idea what you're dealing with or what's going to happen, At least in there. I get on the radio and I've got the Calvary coming.
Speaker 2:I was going to say you've got to go back and do it.
Speaker 4:It's a semi-controlled environment and I know what to expect and I know what I'm dealing with. Out on the streets, you don't know at any given time what you're dealing with.
Speaker 1:Very true, all right, so we're doing this for the people who want to go out there and play around with the paranormal and stuff like that, but also, obviously, it's vegas. So you know, is there a place of town or in or around? Is there a place around the strip where people, tourists, should stay away from, like I don't know?
Speaker 4:Is any place really safe? You just heard about those two YouTubers who were having a battle with each other like two weeks ago. Did you hear about that they were having? A battle out front of the fountain of Bellagio and one of them pulled out the gun and killed the other guy and his wife Right there in front of the Bellagio.
Speaker 4:What this was just like two weeks ago. They were both battling, they had some kind of issue going on. They were both like Vegas YouTubers or something. This guy he capped the guy and his wife and he took off running and left his wife standing there.
Speaker 4:Oh my gosh Then like two days later, the next day, he turned himself in over youtube. Shit I, they were battling over something. Yeah, that's crazy, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can. You can look that up. This just happened a couple weeks ago out here, so you know, that's right there in front of the fountain at the villaggio. And then a couple years ago you had that those girls stabbed out there right on the strip. One of them died. Some crazy guy, some nut, some homeless nut, stabbed him, killed one of them. So all I can say is you know, be, be on the watch. I. I mean, I respect metro, metro, don't mess around with stuff, but they can't be everywhere at once. You know what I mean right, yeah yeah, so I mean metro, metro.
Speaker 1:They don't fool around, you know so, but they can't be everywhere at once okay, so favorite hotel I just want to know favorite your favorite hotel in vegas?
Speaker 4:my favorite one yeah, I guess to walk around in. I actually this is off the strip, but I like the palms. Okay, they put on some. You know I'm a big 80s guy and they get a lot of the good 80s acts in there. And you know, with my, with my players car they get a couple free buffets a month, and you know so, and not free parking and I don't have to deal with all the madness at the strip. So if I had to pick I'd pick. I'd probably pick the palms.
Speaker 1:It's a good place, good music menu, good food, you know, easy access in and out nice okay see me, I'm a fan of the westin, which was the old hilton, which was the old international right, so I don't know, I liked it over there. I thought it was really cool. I remember one time I was there for work and star trek, the next generation or something, was a big thing, I don't know but um, like I like a stage play or you know one of the shows or something, I was like that's kind of weird, like whatever, I don't know but um, and then obviously their homage to Elvis everywhere.
Speaker 4:Well, you know, that's where he had his residency, right? And what sucks for me about that place is a couple years ago you could rent out the Elvis suite upstairs unchanged it was like original for like $500, $600 for the night, right, yeah. And so now Kelly was looking into it, just not even a year ago, and now they want like twenty thousand dollars a night for this week. So if I had got it like two years ago I could have got it for 600. Did an investigation because elvis is supposed to still roam around up there. People talk about elvis. They've seen apparitions of elvis and they had experiences that they believe are el around up there. People talk about elva. They've seen apparitions of elvis and had experiences that they believe are elvis up there huh so now, now it's a little bit above my pay grade right
Speaker 1:so now it's called the imperial.
Speaker 4:It's the imperial sky villa yeah, that's sweet, yeah, but yeah, a couple years ago you could still rent it for relatively cheap. Wow what I think she said. They were asking like 20 grand a night or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just looking it up yeah, it's crazy, it's not, but yeah, it's big, it's.
Speaker 4:It's huge, it's the whole top floor, I think right, yeah, it's like it's well over three, three, four thousand square foot. Yeah yep yeah, so well, I wish I could. I would have paid 600 to investigate that, but I ain't paying what they're asking for now no, you can almost buy a house for the.
Speaker 4:I mean not really, but yeah, good down payment, yeah, or a nice motorcycle you could do for 20 grand so, yeah, I just bought a new I'm not, you knew, new to me motorcycle last month, oh nice oh yeah, I want to get a trike oh, I'm not ready for a trike yet, but if I ever get I, if I ever get, I'll get a trike I. I just bought a 2019 indian chieftain classic.
Speaker 4:Oh nice cool yeah, so I've been on that thing. I had 40. I bought it a month ago with 4 700 miles on it and right now it's at almost 6,400. So I put some miles on it in a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did, but I mean you're driving all around the desert. For the most part you could just go anywhere.
Speaker 4:I just took it back home to California like last week, I mean there and back, and it's like 520 miles one way, so it was over a thousand mile trip, oh wow.
Speaker 1:That's pretty awesome. I like all that stuff, so all right. What is the next steps for las vegas soul searchers?
Speaker 4:well, you know we're, we're planning some other stuff. I'm trying to kelly's going back to pennsylvania. She's going to be back there for two months because her daughter and her mom lives back there and she's got some investigations planned up for her I just can't right now it's not feasible for me to fly back there, so she's going to do some investigations there me.
Speaker 4:I still want my. My next one is I'm probably going to try to get into the luxor. I, I want to get those rooms in the Luxor. Probably try to get it done this week before she leaves Nice. Nice.
Speaker 4:You know, trying to get a Jeff, our partner Jeff. He's been on hiatus for well over a year now. I just talked to him today so he's had some issues and he's ready to get back into it, so we're going to welcome him back. So we're gonna welcome him back and we're probably gonna go do some stuff. David oman from california, the oman house he's been contacting me. He wants me to go back, so that might be another. Another option we've done that place a couple times is the oman house next to where sharon tate and everybody.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I thought so, yeah yeah, it's 50, I mean not even 50 yards from the front gate of the tape tape murders. And last time we were there, man, we were the, his bottom floor and we're sitting in the room and we're the gal was with. She brought out some online photos of the, the crime scene, you know all the bodies and stuff right. And once you started doing that, you I started feeling like angry. I could feel angry and I was asking, using my paralent for communication again, and are you mad? And then it starts blinking really loud and then so yeah, that was after she brought the and then we'd take the pictures away and everything settled down and then she'd bring them back up and I can just feel the anger come back and I can just start asking questions. And you can just even the lights, you can me. I could feel the anger from the responses with the lights too. So it was crazy and I asked her I go, are you sharing Tate and light?
Speaker 1:just starts going Wow, wow, yeah. So yeah, I'd like to get you know. I think it'd be fun to get get him on he. He probably has a lot of stories living there. You know what?
Speaker 4:I mean, he's a character man. Yeah, he'd probably be fun to get on your show. That'd be fun to get on your show that'd be fun I, I like, we like having fun, we, we, yeah, he's, he's deaf, he's a character, he's funny all right.
Speaker 1:So I mean, if you were going to take a percentage, what would you say? The percentage of las vegas being haunted would be the percentage of Las.
Speaker 4:Vegas being haunted would be A percentage. Yeah, I would say, just want everywhere the whole city of Las Vegas or Vegas, paradise all combined. If you want a percentage, I guarantee you there's probably a good 99%. There's a lot of them. I just did a park in Henderson a couple weeks ago, supposedly haunted and it had a lot of activity out there at the haunted park. So even the parks are haunted here. Well, there's a lot more ghosts in these hotels that we don't know about.
Speaker 1:It's just the crowds are so big and massive that there's no way you're ever going to be able to do a an investigation with all the noise, pollution and stuff going on there that's true, yeah but, but I guarantee you there's a lot more activity in these hotels and we realized I would say las vegas could be like you would never really know because how busy it always is 24, 7 you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Like you just exactly so anything on the strip is going to be impossible unless you can find, like like the luxor or, you know, the elvis suite. If you can find a particular room that you can just investigate that room, but investigate, like the people saying they've seen apparitions in hallways and with the activity here it's going to be impossible to do anything.
Speaker 4:And there's no way you're going to even remotely try to do any EVPs with all the noise pollution. And that's what was bad about the Apache is we? You know we had to use everything. We couldn't get any EBPs because the bands were playing right outside the window and we had all the noise pollution, you know. So we can't do the EBPs, but we could do all the other stuff. But I say there's a lot more activity in all these hotels than people realize. It's just there's so much activity you're never going to find out.
Speaker 1:I can see that. I can see why Elvis would want to haunt the Vegas residency area and not his last moments. Could you imagine spending eternity haunting a bathroom? Oh, I know.
Speaker 4:I've been to Graceland. I'd like to investigate graceland. I wish, I wish there was a way I could get in there and just investigate the house. But that would be, that would be, that would be. That would be an awesome investigation. I guarantee you just a bunch of evps like.
Speaker 1:TVP's like there ain't nothing about a hound dog That'd be funny, good old us.
Speaker 4:So. But like I said, vegas is very haunted. It's just hard to get into places and the crowds make it difficult to investigate.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Damn. Well, that's cool. I mean 99%, that's up there. I'm looking forward to my next trip to Vegas because I have some cemeteries I need to hang around in and some haunted hotels to possibly stay in. I don't know. Flamingo is kind of one of my favorites. Flamingo and Fremont both of them are kind of my favorite hotels.
Speaker 4:I would go in the wintertime when it's less quiet, so maybe out in the area where people have seen Bugsy Seagull. Maybe early in the morning it's not so crowded, so maybe I might even do that like at three or 4am to go out there and just try a little you know EMF and you know some other stuff out there and just try a little you know emf and you know some other stuff, stuff out there and see if I can capture anything I've been out there.
Speaker 1:I've been out there a lot actually. I remember one time I I went out there I don't fly well, especially then now, so much I think I'd be okay. But uh, I remember I was just like so anxious about the flight home and I I was out in that garden area, you know the atrium or whatever it is yeah, yeah, where the, where the all the activities supposedly yeah yeah, it was pretty quiet, you know, there.
Speaker 1:There wasn't a lot of people out there, it was just me, but at the time I wouldn't have been able to even think about seeing anybody, or whatever, you know. So I was, my mind was occupied.
Speaker 4:It was somewhere else at the time, but all right, well, I mean holy crap man, there's a pet cemetery right around the corner from my house and there's this elephant buried there called stoney. Okay, I made a whole video on Stoney and what happened to him. He was a performer out at the Lexor, I believe it was, and his last days, his last year of life, were miserable and he was just mistreated and he's buried out here and people actually say they've seen him roaming the cemetery. So I went out there one night after and, like I said, if you want to hit my sites, I have, I have the whole video I made on stoney. And then we went back a few nights later in the in the late night and we actually did an investigation out there and I brought my older son and kelly with me and my son and I are standing over Stoney's grave and his EMF detectors just starts going nuts right crazy, and it was cold outside but it felt like the temperature dropped like 20 degrees when this K2 started going off.
Speaker 4:I had my body cam on and when I reviewed the footage there was like a mist that went across my body cam right as the same time his k2 is going off, and I showed it to kelly, my partner. She kind of drew this thing outlined and it kind of did look like an elephant's head, I mean the trunk coming up in the air with the tusk hanging out, and so I mean I guess her mind saw that. My son's mind saw a face. But you can, I, I have stills too. I made stills of the mist, so just k2s going off, and then when I reviewed the camera, this mist went right across, right across them. So that was. That was pretty crazy that's awesome this episode literally had everything.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool. Animal spirits. Yeah, yeah. A ghost elephant, nobody, holy crap.
Speaker 4:I can only tell you what I captured and you know, people have to watch it for themselves and make their own determinations.
Speaker 1:Well, the fact that people said that they could see him roaming, I mean that's a big thing to see roaming. You know what I mean? Like what the hell is it that's an elephant you know, well, you know.
Speaker 4:You go and read the stories about it and people who have said they've seen him says he's just undermining his own business, grazing on the grass and looks like he's having a good time. And if you read the story or just watch my video, you'll see how those poor animals last year life sucked. Oh, and he was as far as an elephant. He was only 21, which is very young, because they in captivity they could live to 80 years old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say that's not even a quarter of his life.
Speaker 4:I don't think. No, I mean his lifespan, same as a human, and he died at 21.
Speaker 1:Damn so you're saying your website, you might as well just tell people where they can find you, especially the, the videos.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, you can go to, you know, Las Vegas soul searchers on Tik TOK, Las Vegas soul searchers on YouTube, and I have a a Facebook page strictly for Las Vegas soul searchers. So any one of those, you can just look them up and it should pop up. So everything, everything I have is all Las Vegas soul searchers, whether it be Tik TOK, Facebook or YouTube. Awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. I I'm excited about my future goings to to Vegas. I'm yeah Cause, like I said, said I like the, like the paranormal and uh, obviously, vegas, uh, dw. I have a question for you before we get going with what we usually get going okay, have you ever been to vegas? I have. Yeah, okay, okay, oh, you were in.
Speaker 2:That is right, you were in the and I went by myself and for scheduling reasons I didn't see a Vegas show. For scheduling reasons couldn't. But yeah, I was down there. I didn't stay on the strip but I was a couple blocks away from the strip but I went to the strip to wander around and see the fountains and stuff like that and did a tiny bit of gambling, but not a lot. I figured if I'm going to Vegas, everyone is going to ask if I gambled. So I figured I had to do something. But yes, I'm going to Vegas, everyone's going to ask if I gambled, so I figured I had to do something. But yes, I have been to Vegas. Didn't experience anything out of the ordinary while I was there. If that was going to be your next question, but yes, I have been to Vegas.
Speaker 1:I can tell you this I've been to Vegas 20s of times, 20s of times, and I will say I have experienced something not of the ordinary every single time, because a bunch of wackos there it's a very interesting crowd and, by the way, if you are listening and you're in Vegas, you are not a wacko, you are just perfect. Don't worry, I'm a wacko, you are just perfect, don't worry, you're just absolutely.
Speaker 1:I'm a wacko okay all right man well, okay, so this we, we got to the point. We got to this point and this point is where we start wrapping stuff up, and this is when we do this or that and essentially this or that. You know, we just ask you a question, give you two answers and you just choose which one you want. And dw yeah, do you ever listen to that?
Speaker 2:this week.
Speaker 1:I think is it my turn yeah, I don't know man it's been for I think it is, I think it is actually the last one.
Speaker 2:So okay, sure. So I just say a couple of things. You tell me which one you prefer. So, as an example, would you rather fly or drive?
Speaker 4:I'm. I like driving. I mean it depends on the distance. If it's within eight to ten hours, I'll drive. If it's anything over that, I'll fly. Except when it's Sturgis, I'd ride my motorcycle there I can see that Clue or Monopoly. I like Clue. I used to play Clue a lot as a kid.
Speaker 2:Chocolate or vanilla.
Speaker 4:Chocolate, dark chocolate.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 4:Ride the roller coaster or the ferris wheel roller coaster. I hate ferris wheels, I do. I do, like you know, the the high roller, but that's enclosed.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I don't like ferris wheels oh yeah, would you rather do ghost hunting with ghostbusters or scooby-doo in the gang?
Speaker 4:I'd rather be with shaggy shaggy. Everyone seems to prefer scooby-doo, yeah yeah, all right, batman or superman oh, I'm not a real superhero fan, but if I had to pick one, I mean I used to watch him with Christopher Reeves with Superman, so I'll pick Superman. I'm not a big Batman fan.
Speaker 2:I can see that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I would take Batman over Superman, but I would not take Batman over Christopher Reeves Superman.
Speaker 2:And I feel like Christopher Reeves is the only Superman I don't know Just everything else the original one was pretty good.
Speaker 4:Know, just everything else the original one was pretty good too. George Reeves yeah, I like the Christopher Reeves movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he made me like superhero movies. I feel like that was the original. I don't know.
Speaker 4:I just feel like. I'm just not a big superheroes kind of guy. I'm more into horror movies and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Alright, okay, you've perfected your time machine. Do you travel to 1825 or forward to 2225?
Speaker 4:I'm going to go backwards. Life already right now is too complicated for me. I want to go back to easier life, all right.
Speaker 2:Does the toilet paper go over or under?
Speaker 4:Mine goes over.
Speaker 2:That is correct Elephant-sized squirrel or squirrel-sized elephant.
Speaker 4:Oh geez, Squirrel-sized elephant.
Speaker 2:That just sounds adorable, I think.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, mozart or Zeppelin.
Speaker 4:Oh, geez, let's Zeppelin man. You can't go wrong with Page and Plant and Bonham and John Paul Jones. Oh, ze Led Zeppelin man. You can't go wrong with Page and Plant and Bonham and John Paul Jones. Zeppelin all the way, man All right.
Speaker 2:So Zeppelin on streaming or vinyl records.
Speaker 4:Vinyl I love vinyl.
Speaker 2:All right, two more Simpsons or the office say that again the simpsons or the office oh, the office.
Speaker 4:No, I take the simpsons. I like they're pretty funny. They've been pretty accurate in some of their predictions too they happen, oh my gosh it's been crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the simpsons all right, last one, john olsen or Lizzie Borden.
Speaker 4:Oh, Lizzie Borden man. Sorry, John, All right.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, you know that's funny.
Speaker 4:Especially the Elizabeth Montgomery version. I'd let her have you Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2:He was enthusiastic about that one too. He's like oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Lizzie, yeah, I bet I get it.
Speaker 4:Hey, you guys are comedians. You gotta respect the sense of humor. I love you, John. Don't.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I yeah, I appreciate it. Man Like, uh okay, losing the Lizzie Borden sucks, but at least you know who I am. So I I think, there's a win there. Um, I'll take it. Dw. Do you have anything else for for Mike?
Speaker 2:I think that's it. I think we had a great show and I think we were uh, let's put the cherry on top of our dessert here put the cherry on top.
Speaker 1:All right, mike, you know what it was. It was pretty cool, man.
Speaker 4:Thank you for coming on thank you I really appreciate the opportunity I enjoyed myself, that's, and I didn't click off because if it was up and it went away. I don't know what happened. Sorry, it's going to be fun.
Speaker 1:I know, I know it's going to be fun when you hear this, because there's like four or five minutes of audio that you have no idea what's going on, and that's the fun part. Oh no, it's all good. All right, what's going on and that's the it's all good, all right. Man well you know dw guess what.
Speaker 1:you know what time it is right. Yep, all right, if I, if dw knows what time it is, then then you know what time it is and basically it's it's time to say this you guys have been amazing, we have been Scalarius and we are out.
Speaker 2:Later.