Scalarious
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Scalarious
Ep. 87 The State of Scalarious Address, Some Warren's and Scooby Doo
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The unexpected journey from skeptic to believer sometimes takes surprising turns. After a month-long absence, John Olson returns with what he calls "The State of Scalarious Address" – a raw, unfiltered look into his spiritual awakening and its profound impact on the podcast's future.
With remarkable candor, John reveals his renewed Christian faith and the internal struggle it created regarding paranormal investigation. How can one explore hauntings and supernatural phenomena while maintaining religious convictions? The answer unfolds through a heartfelt monologue where John redefines the show's boundaries: continuing to interview psychics, paranormal investigators and comedians about their experiences, but eliminating activities like live readings and Ouija sessions that he believes "open doors" to negative entities.
This redirection doesn't mean abandoning the paranormal altogether. In fact, John introduces Ed and Lorraine Warren – America's most famous ghost hunters who investigated cases like the Amityville Horror and those portrayed in The Conjuring series. As self-proclaimed demonologists and mediums, the Warrens embody the complex relationship between faith and the supernatural that John now navigates himself. Were they legitimate investigators or elaborate frauds? The conversation begins here and will continue next week with a deeper exploration of their controversial legacy.
Between spiritual revelations and haunted histories, the episode maintains Scalarious's trademark humor, with guest Zach Scharf joining the banter and the return of the beloved "This or That" segment. The show concludes with a touching tribute to Chicago Cubs legend Ryne Sandberg, connecting personal memories to life's fleeting nature.
Whether you're a paranormal enthusiast, spiritual seeker, or comedy fan, this landmark episode marks a thoughtful evolution of the podcast while promising the same engaging content that brought you here in the first place. Subscribe now and join us next week as we properly dive into the fascinating world of Ed and Lorraine Warren!
Thanks for watching what's going on. This is the return of scolarius. I am john olsen and with me, as always, is dw dutifully wholesome serene that is.
Speaker 2:Oh, I forgot my uh drink.
Speaker 1:Sorry there, okay okay, well, I mean, it works all right. So and so we're okay, all right, what no, I I, I got you well, well, I was going to say, not only do we have DW, who is dutifully wholesome, we have our third wheel for the day, third wheel for a couple weeks. To be fair, zach, scharf, zach, how's it going? I'm doing wonderful, I'll do your crack for you.
Speaker 3:I'll do that.
Speaker 1:We didn't hear it, you didn't hear it. No, yeah, your mic skills are about as good as his. Feels good to be back. I'm not going to lie. We're just waiting until you hear what's coming up. All right, let's just get to this first and then we'll get to what we're getting at DW. I already know you're not drinking anything because you said oh crap, I forgot my drink.
Speaker 2:I forgot. Yeah, Do you want me to go get it?
Speaker 1:I mean you can. I can just talk to Zach first, I suppose. Yeah, I'll just ask Zach how he's doing first. Zach, how are things? How are things with you? Good?
Speaker 3:I've been busy. I've been doing a lot of shows lately. It's always fun Just chilling in my basement tonight.
Speaker 1:Very cool. You guys probably don't know this, but I now have kind of a studio office now. So there is kind of a thing we have. I have, you know, in my three week, four week absence from scolarius it's only two weeks for both you listeners, but our four week absence from from school areas here is that I I have now, I'm now in a studio office. So no more, no more dining room table, but I'm still in Casa de Betro.
Speaker 2:So so you came out of the closet.
Speaker 1:I came, I was never in. Oh yeah, I forgot, I was in in a closet too. That's a good one. That's a knee slapper. I'm glad you were able to get down to that All right. So I already asked Zach how he was doing. Both of our listeners heard it, so now we have to go to you. How are you doing?
Speaker 3:Well, first off.
Speaker 2:So I ran and got wild state cider and this one the the pie part of it a little bit, but it's. It's good, but it's not. Uh, doesn't taste like not not that I expected it to, but it doesn't feel like. Oh, I'm drinking an apple pie I mean it works.
Speaker 1:It's too bad. We couldn't get your lip smacking in on the audio, but maybe it'll'll come through when we send it out. I don't know.
Speaker 3:What would be the pie flavor? I don't know what would be the pie flavor. So you have the apple, but what's the pie? What do you think would be the pie?
Speaker 2:I think I can taste like almost like a graham cracker kind of flavor. They're trying to get the crust in there somehow. See, there's, oh yeah, okay. So the ingredients are apples, cinnamon, cloves, black pepper and nutmeg. So they're trying to season it like you would an apple pie.
Speaker 1:You put cloves in an apple pie. I was more concerned about the black pepper and nutmeg, so they were trying to season it like you would an apple pie. You put cloves in an apple pie.
Speaker 3:I was more concerned about the black pepper.
Speaker 2:You know what? If you don't know how to make an apple pie, what are you saying, John? I wouldn't put cloves in there.
Speaker 1:Have you smelled cloves?
Speaker 3:Well, I guess we're not making your apple pie, then Alright, ready Alright.
Speaker 2:Alright and you making your apple pie. Then, all right, ready, all right, and you have a. Let me guess a diet coke ah see, yep, that was right.
Speaker 1:Um and guess what guys?
Speaker 3:I just want to throw this out there.
Speaker 1:And guess what guys? I just want to throw this out there. I'm not going to say, listen, I'm not giving up THC, I'm not Whatever, because I can still use that kind of stuff. I'm not, yeah, but I'm not. But today I'm totally sober. There's nothing, I got nothing. It's just me, just me. Oh God, it's probably worse than me.
Speaker 2:It's not a good way to preface the show, oh well.
Speaker 3:It actually might go smooth today.
Speaker 1:If they continue listening past our first segment here, then we've already won. That's all that matters. To be honest, I guess, should we do the spiel, we should do the spiel first and then get into what we were getting into.
Speaker 2:Okay, if I know you probably kind of get into what we were getting into.
Speaker 1:Yeah Okay, yeah Well, you know, if I know, you probably missed us and since you're missing us, you probably want to know where to find us. It's been a while. I might be a little rusty on this, but I can probably do it. You can probably find DW Serene Comedian on Facebook. You can find me at John Olson, comedian 2 2.0 on facebook. You can find us both together, not in a couple not in a couple ways on on facebook.
Speaker 1:Uh, at school areas obviously. Um, we do have a tick tock it's scolarius eight. I I'm not great at the whole tickety talk thing, I thing I just whatever. And also we do have an Instagram, also called Scalarius. But yeah, and then if you want to email us, you can email us at scalariuspod, at gmailcom, or you know, only if you want to, only if you want to, and I can tell that nobody ever wants to. So you can go back and listen to every single episode that we have at sclarispodbuzzsproutcom. And Zach, since you're here, why don't you let people know where they can find you?
Speaker 3:All right. Well, you can find me on Instagram and Snapchat at Zach Scharf. You can find me on Facebook Just my name, zach Scharf. You can find me on TikTok fatzach. That's really all I can think of. Come to my show, buy merch. I need money. You can find my Venmo, too. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Shameless plug there, I appreciate money. You can find my Venmo too, I don't know. Shameless plug there, I appreciate that. Speaking of buying merch because people might need money, you could do that with us at crowdmadecom forward slash collections, forward slash ScalariousPod, and you can get all the cool little Scalarious gear that you want. I'm assuming the one that you might really want to get is the I have no Idea who John Olsen t-shirt. I mean I'm assuming that that would be it. Or you could get Oak Ripers. That one would be fun to nab. You would be the only one wearing it, I guarantee you.
Speaker 1:Also, we have hats, we have mugs, we have we don't have coasters, we have goasters, you know you can get those, we also. I mean, we just have a whole lot of gear and you can get that at crowdmadecom forward slash collections, forward slash scolarius pod. Or just go to crowdmadecom and search scolarius and you can get all of that stuff. Uh yeah, so are you ready for for this? I've been talking for a few weeks about how I have a whole lot of stuff to get off my chest, so shall we do this? Yeah, dw, you look worried.
Speaker 2:Well, whenever you get excited about something, I'm always worried.
Speaker 1:I mean this.
Speaker 2:You told me before Hang on what was the word.
Speaker 1:I said hold on to your butt yeah yeah, I'm concerned. Okay, and I also told zach to hold on to his butt and he held on to somebody else's, so I mean I was I did not say I did.
Speaker 1:I did not say I did whatever I'm usually not wrong, so just just throwing it out there, all right. So this is what we're going to do, guys. I know, like here, people want you're tuning in, you want to hear about the Warrens and you're going to hear about the Warrens. You're going to hear about the Warrens pretty soon, but we're just going to call the first part of this the state of the Scolarius Address. So I mean, there's things going on and these things that you guys probably don't know anything about, and I feel it's very unfair to not bring it up. So I'm going to bring it up and I'm just going to air it all out and we are going to move about our business the best way we possibly can from here on out. Is that fair? Yeah, all right. So first of all, I just want to throw this out there.
Speaker 1:I've been struggling for a few months, and the reason why I've been struggling for a few months is because I have renewed my faith in Jesus Christ and when I, when I did that, things just kind of started changing and my outlook on a lot of things kind of started changing. I'll get back around to it. I used to be kind of needy when it came to comedy, kind of needy when it came to the show and things like that. I needed it, I needed to have the interaction, I needed to be the entertainer. I needed to just do it because I felt that that was my, it was my journey and I was trying really, really hard, just struggling and trying, and I just I worked and worked and I've worked and I've worked for two, two, two, like almost two years. Right, I mean october 31st will be our second year, correct? Yep, okay. So scolarius has taken a lot out of me, comedy's taken a lot out of me and, um, it seems like, you know, kind of on a treadmill and it's nobody's fault of anybody, you know, whatever, it's just kind of the way it is.
Speaker 1:We there's, there's highs and lows, there's ebbs and flows, you know, to the whole podcast game, we got a lot of attention off of a lot of shows. It felt really good. We were able to get some, some work out of some shows and it felt really good. It kind of looked like my plan. You know, the reason to start this show was working. Okay, and that was the reason to start the show. My plan was to get more work for comedy, right, just kind of a new angle to get about with. You know we had the paranormal area, the paranormal circle or whatever that we could be in and things worked out. And you know, for a little while it did that.
Speaker 1:But somewhere along the line and I'm not 100% sure where I mean there could be maybe a point I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna give the number of the episode but there it kind of like hit a brick wall and we haven't gotten any traction since and I mean it's fair, you know, whatever that happens, but the quality of the people that we've had on since that time doesn't warrant the attention that they deserve. And I don't know if it's because they're not pushing it on their side. I don't know if it's because the algorithm is not putting us up into the shows that need to be listened to. I don't know why, but it was kind of a big impact, uh, and it it kind of messed some things up. That's on the show level and on top of that.
Speaker 1:You know me, I'm going through what I'm going through, wondering how we're going to continue this show that delves into things like the supernatural and things like that and still glorify god, because I feel like that that is the main objective in everything that we're supposed to do. We're supposed to glorify god, and so it's a struggle. Same thing with comedy how am I supposed to glorify God? I can't glorify God by telling penis jokes. I can't glorify God by doing some of the stuff that I'm doing, and doing it in bars. I mean, it's just that's not how you do it, that's not that's not how you do it. So, um, it's kind of a personal, uh, kind of personal direction change for myself, and then obviously, it's a direction change for the show that we're, that you guys are listening to right now. Um, so, like again, like I said, you know we want to do this and and and go on and glorify God. Now, a couple of weeks back, we had the supernatural sleuth on and you know his take on ghosts is that they're all demons. Okay, fair, I respect your belief and he's a God-fearing man, lives in Appalachian Mountains and you know I have the utmost respect for him. Me and him have talked numerous times since the recording of the show.
Speaker 1:Since the recording of the show, prior to that, a few weeks, we had Stacy Lynn on. It was the first time she was ever on a podcast, by the way, and Stacy had some prophetic words about Scalarius, that we would reach great lengths, that our reach would extend past you know, whatever. And it was music to my ears, right, because that's what I wanted to hear, right, that's how I foresaw this. This is where I wanted this show to go. This is where I wanted this show to go. This is where I wanted my comedy career to go. Is is is that extended reach. And the bottom line is this um, readings like that opens doors, and those doors, those doors, are opened, and at that door are demons and negative spirits, and those demons and negative spirits know exactly what you want and when that is being said, you know those prophetic words. They're not that prophetic, they're just what you want and that's what I wanted. And it's kind of a scary thing, okay, because obviously it went in the exact opposite direction. It wasn't a great reach, it was a great toilet flush. So you know that that could do a lot to somebody's psyche.
Speaker 1:Essentially, again, I'm going to go forward again to Supernatural Sleuth, who said that all ghosts are demons. Again, I disagree. I disagree, because this is why I disagree, because this is why hell is not only just a place, but it's a state of mind, and no living creature on this planet knows what it's like to be without God. No living creature on this planet knows what it's like to be without God. But people who have lived. No living creature on this planet knows what it's like to be without God. But people who have lived and know that there is a God, maybe are and are away from God. It's kind of like not in the presence, essentially, of God. So I'm just throwing this out there.
Speaker 1:Do I believe that all ghosts are demons? No, do I believe ghosts are people? Yeah, and they're people that are here and they're here. I don't know why, but that's why. I don't know why, but that's, that's what the that's, that's why. Um, so I mean, and there are people that are that, again, are not in the presence of God. So you can look at that as evil or whatever. No, that's, I mean, I don't look at it as evil, because to be you know, to be 100% truthful I deserve hell because I'm a sinner. So I mean, you look at things like that and I don't think I'm that bad of a guy, and you always think that people that deserve hell are just the worst of the worst. And that's not entirely true. Anybody who's sinned, anybody who has that thing, and they don't go to Christ. That's what they deserve. And I'm not going to get too far into religion and just my belief. Religion of politics is not the way to go on any platform, unless you're a political show or religious show, which we are not.
Speaker 1:We're a paranormal and comedy show, and I feel that that's what we need to get back to. So, again, with that being said, we are going to get back to the paranormal and the comedy, and because we have comedians that are either on right now that you're listening to all three of us or we do have some that come on and and, uh, either guest host or actually get interviewed by us to do what the original premise of the show was to tell us about their issues that they have with the paranormal. And this is something that I I obviously haven't spoken to dw outside of anything, and I figured, why not? We'll just do it on the air. I have no problem with this. Let's see if he does. I have no idea.
Speaker 1:But, um, we are still going to talk to paranormal groups. We are still going to talk to psychics. We are still going to talk to paranormal groups. We are still going to talk to psychics. We are still going to talk to mediums. We are still going to talk to comedians about their experiences actors, authors, all of that. We are still going to continue to do that. What we are not going to do is have any readings live on the show, ouija boards or anything like that that opens doors to things that I don't want to have anything to do with.
Speaker 1:So yeah, there's that not to point fingers or anything like that, but I just feel it's the best choice to move forward, starting with this episode, that we just don't invite anything we don't want to have anything to do with. Is that fair? Dw?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's fair so I mean again, how do we do this and glorify God? That's how, and that's why I said, when I sent you that text a few, I don few probably a week, week and a half ago now I said I got it, I figured it out, I got it. So there it is. We continue on, we do our thing and kick ass, because I don't know if anybody really knows it Nope, the only person that does know this is you, dw, and my lovely betrothed.
Speaker 1:But there was a time a few weeks back where I was actually thinking about hanging it up after episode 100. And I don't know. I just feel that, uh, we do have a core base of listeners that do enjoy uh, myself and you, um, and sometimes zach, uh, but they, they do enjoy us and I felt it would be a disservice to them to just stop. So we're going to go until we're told we shouldn't go anymore. And I mean, the only way that we're going to know that we shouldn't go anymore is when the listens become zero. So I feel we should be happy with whoever listens to however long they listen. And yeah, so that that's kind of where we're at. I feel DW got anything.
Speaker 2:No, I think you covered it.
Speaker 1:So let's kind of have an open discussion real quick before we get into Ed and Lorraine. Um, you had theories.
Speaker 2:You never really spoke to me personally about it, but you had theories as to where I kind of hit a wall right um, the thing that we keep talking about, that we don't mention specifically, I think put a damper on things and I feel like it may have um affected you more than you realized and maybe had a. Um had an effect like subconsciously, and so maybe there were things that were happening that um, you didn't it was. It was hard to explain why this, this change, had happened, but you kind of maybe didn't want to admit what it was no, no, okay.
Speaker 1:Personally, I think it's when I got closer to christ again and, trust me, that episode is not what pushed it. What pushed me to to christ was I. I've worked really, really, really hard for a long, long, long time and I'm not getting anywhere. So, when you work really really hard for a long time and you don't get anywhere, it's time to just give it up, right, because obviously your plan isn't working. So it's not my plan anymore, it's just it's not. So I gave it up and we're going to do what we're going to do and do what we can. Um, I do feel, uh, that the stacy lynn comment probably impacted me more than the other one did but, but only in the aftermath of it.
Speaker 1:Meaning, you know, there was several little things that happened in those times where I was, you know, approached, kind of about to do a TV show that didn't come through, kind of about to do a TV show that didn't come through, you know, and then just the dropping of us like down the charts and I'm not talking like this isn't like MTV Top 25 back in the day or anything like that. You know where we, just like you know Milli Vanilli did, or anything like that, or anything like that. You know where we, just like you know Milli Vanilli did, or anything like that. It's just that A lot of things at once and it became hard. And if anybody knows anything Like when you work Really hard on something, and I just put it like this Say you built and I'm not comparing it to anything extravagant, but just throwing it out there Say you build a big old three-story house, six bedroom, five bath, full finished basement, pool in the backyard, all that stuff. And you know the market says that your house is worth, you know, 1.5 mil, you know 1.5 mil, but the people that are coming to want to purchase it are only willing to give you about 250 000 dollars. That's going to put a damper on what? What you work so hard to build, what you work so hard to build, and that's kind of the way I looked at it with this.
Speaker 1:Like building this podcast with my good friend across the side, across the way there, he might not agree with and he's probably going who's zach? Zach's your friend? No, but my my good, my good buddy, dw, on on the other side, there are our ban. Everything's been good. You know, whatever, I feel we have one of the best I'm going to say best paranormal comedy podcasts out there. I don't know how many. There are Four, okay, top three, then you know. So I mean we're doing, I mean I felt we did really well, but there was a point where people stopped listening. I'm hoping that they start again. I really hope that the first 25 minutes of this podcast doesn't stop them from doing it. This is my heart, this is my soul. Stop them from doing it, because this is my heart, this is my soul and I'm giving it to you guys to let you know that we are going to continue to be here and we are going to continue to be here every stinking wednesday from here on out. So, with that being said, shall we go? Shall we talk about the Warrens today? All right, all right. One more thing before we go into the Warrens. I'm just going to throw this out there. One of our most popular shirts is I have no idea who John excuse me who John Olsen is T-shirt and hoodies. I like it. Yeah, it's a very good right and, to be honest, it is very fitting because recently I have no idea who john olsen is.
Speaker 1:The character I portray on this podcast is completely and utterly different than the person who is living here day by day, and I'm really gonna try as hard as I can to make it to where, um, we still hold to the character of generals and and not have so much of the the real, the real guy getting in there and and if he does come in, like he did for the last 15, 20 minutes, I hope that you guys understand it and give us the benefit of the doubt to know that everything that we're doing myself, dw and even Zach, as he's juggling his phone in the background we're doing it to entertain and we're doing it because we like to do it. Entertaining, I feel, is in our blood. However, we want and need to do it. All right, blood. However, we want and need to do it. So all right, going from entertaining to the hauntings and ghost stories and whatnot.
Speaker 1:And and why not? I just I figured, hey, we might as well talk about and Lorraine Warren, because they are the most popular paranormal investigating group on the face of the planet. And guess what, it's not a group, it was just the both of them, and they have some cases. Let me tell you, dw, are you familiar with that? And Lorraine Warren.
Speaker 2:I am a little bit. I I admit I had to look them up when, when you said this is what we're talking about, I had to look them up. When you said this is what we're talking about, I had to look them up and I mean, I understand why they're well-known to paranormal people. But I do find it interesting that the research I did into them also mentioned the skeptics and the people saying we don't know what they found was actually legitimate.
Speaker 1:I mean, they have a lot of stuff that Well, they have a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:That well, they have a lot of stuff. But here's what I I wondered and this is just going off of the, the minimal research I did but wondered if they it's not some they did a lot of investigations. I'm not saying I'm wondering if they didn't find a lot, but because they did so many, all of the, they wanted to hear it. They wanted so badly to have, um, paranormal stuff happen and so they thought every time they did an investigation they thought that weird sound was a ghost. They thought the lights flickering was a spirit. They thought that voice that they heard was someone from beyond trying to contact them, stuff like that. So again, not saying they very possible that they actually did find something. I mean, out of the tens of thousands of investigations that they did did find something. I mean out of the tens of thousands of investigations that they did probably found something, but probably found a lot of things that were nothing but they wanted to believe it was something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, you know, paranormal is not a light switch, you know, and and things do happen sometimes. I mean, they do, they don't um, they seem to be in the middle of both sides of that. You know that. By the way, dw, as we're dude, is that the hellhounds of Serene Manor?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Very cool. That's awesome. I'm glad to hear it. It's been a while, Zach. Do you know who Ed and Lorraine Warren are?
Speaker 3:Have they worked with Mystery Inc before With who Mystery Inc.
Speaker 1:Mystery Inc.
Speaker 3:Like Scooby-doo? Yeah, I probably.
Speaker 1:I don't think I don't think I've heard of them before. Okay, I don't know why, like okay, so you only know ghost hunting based based on Ghost Adventures, with what's his name? Zach Baggins.
Speaker 3:So I mean, I don't know, why? Well, not only Zach Baggins, but obviously Scooby and the crew, and also the Ghostbusters as well.
Speaker 1:Even the female.
Speaker 3:Can't forget them.
Speaker 1:Yes, we can. We can most definitely forget them.
Speaker 3:Melissa McCarthy is a secret agent.
Speaker 1:No, that movie should never have been made.
Speaker 2:That movie.
Speaker 1:Nope, it's not because they're women either. It's not because they're women, gosh, it's crap, oh man. You are so just what do? You have against women. I don't have anything against women. See, now we're going to get that going on me.
Speaker 2:Well, this time it's two against one. Now that I've got Zach on my side, we might as well point out that you're very sexist.
Speaker 3:Yeah, before this started he was talking about Okay, all right, it was all about you, wasn't it all about him?
Speaker 2:yep, and see, here's the thing. The problem, the biggest problem that movie had was people were casting their votes, people were making their opinion before they even saw it. They saw the cast and they were like, oh, it's all women, that's not going to be good. And it's like, well, you haven't even seen it yet it was. It was hilarious.
Speaker 3:I thought it was good, I liked it. John's probably never even seen it.
Speaker 1:I've seen it and I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2:So was it the comedy that you didn't like? The, the. Just how did you what? What? What didn't you like about it?
Speaker 1:how are we getting on ghostbusters 2016 when we're supposed to be talking about ed and lorraine warren? You wanted to like?
Speaker 2:yeah, all right so okay, so, um so okay. So Ed passed away before the Ghostbusters movie came out, but Lorraine was alive at that time. So I do wonder if Lorraine actually liked the female cast of Ghostbusters.
Speaker 3:She probably did. You know, women all stick together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean she probably stick together. Yeah, I mean she probably loved it. Is there any way we can? I don't know if she gave her opinion on this, but I'm just going to check and see if, by chance, she I doubt she was big on Instagram.
Speaker 1:Doing a side mission on whether or not Lorraine Warren liked the 2016 Ghostbusters. I'm just going to talk about this. Ed and Lorraine Warren liked the 2016 Ghostbusters. I'm just going to talk about this, ed and Lorraine Warren. Ed was born in 1926. Lorraine was born in 1927. They, you know, okay anyway. So they were married in 1945, and they do have a daughter named Judy. She was born in 1946. A daughter named Judy. She was born in 1946.
Speaker 1:They are probably the most popular family when it comes to the paranormal. I don't know of anybody else besides Scooby Doo and the gang that would be more popular than Ed and Lorraine Warren and their daughter Judy, because Judy ended up marrying. I think it's Tony Sparrow, if I'm, if I'm right. I could be wrong, but if it wasn't Tony, then it's, then Tony's their nephew or something which is even weirder. But no, I believe Judy married Tony Sparrow and they still are running NESPR, which her parents founded in 1952. The New England Society for Paranormal or Psychic Research, nespr, and it's the oldest ghost hunting group in New England. It might be the oldest ghost hunting group in the world, to be fair, because Nesper predates Mystery Inc, by the way, by about 15 years. So, in case you were wondering, zach.
Speaker 3:I was wondering actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, but you know, 1952 is when that's first. What's that?
Speaker 3:Scrappy Doo, scrappy Doo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're forgetting Scrappy Doo as well. I don't, why are we even?
Speaker 3:doing. Okay, scrappy Doo. I feel like. Well, why are we even doing Scrappy-Doo? I feel like, is the female Ghostbusters of Forget about it?
Speaker 1:I really loved your Warren's episode, john. It was really informative about the female Ghostbusters. That's really good, I love this. Yeah, anyways, really informative about the female Ghostbusters, that's really good, I love this. Yeah, anyways, the Warrens were among the first investigators in the Amityville haunting. We covered that DW remember that. I do remember. Yeah, um, yeah, so they were. Yeah, they were. They were the investigators for that. Skeptics, perry DeAngelis and Steven Novella investigated the Warren's evidence and described it as blarney, which anybody who doesn't know overseas Blardy means caca. Yeah, it's not good. Skeptical investigators Joe Nickel and Benjamin Radford concluded that the better-known hauntings the Amity and the Snedeker family haunting did not happen and had been invented.
Speaker 2:Happen and had been invented.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. So we're going to go over some of these investigations and we're going to go through some of the things that surrounded them. One of the, I guess the most famous, and there's a whole lot of movies that are based on it. Well, okay, and there's a whole lot of movies that are based on it. Um, well, okay, there's two, they kind of go side inside um the parent family. The parent family is the conjuring family. Okay, um dw, last time we spoke, I I had said to you have, have you seen the Conjuring? And you had told me no, has that changed?
Speaker 2:No, I still haven't seen it. Keep in mind, anytime you ask if I've seen a horror movie, I have not. All right fair. When I looked on my phone, by the way, under the genre of horror, the two movies that came up were gremlins and gremlins 2. So that and those, oh my gosh, those are scary right I know and lorraine warren investigated yeah, but I could be wrong. I did watch because you claimed it was the the scariest.
Speaker 1:I did watch um the exorcist yes, the exorcist um, I feel is is up there and uh, I, I heard.
Speaker 2:Oh, who was it? Um, there was someone else claiming that they, they viewed the exorcist as an example of a perfect movie, which I, and the thing is it's not. Um, oh, quentin tarantino oh yeah, he was explaining that.
Speaker 2:You know, a movie can be perfect even though it's not your cup of tea. For me, that's the perfect example of that, because horror not my cup of tea. That one was a good movie though, but I'm definitely not into horror, so you can recognize that as a good movie even if you don't like horror movies. I more so was laughing at how much smoking all the doctors were doing, oh yeah. It was a different time. I just thought it was hilarious that a doctor would be like alright, here's what happened.
Speaker 1:So just thought it was hilarious that a doctor would be like all right, here's what happened. So, uh, oh yeah, it's a different time period, though, but I I don't know. I just want to let you know, um, we're going to try to get through this, uh, at least for the next 10-15 minutes. If we don't, I apologize. There's a massive storm rolling through right now. If, uh, if we cut out, we cut out. There's nothing else we could do about it.
Speaker 1:But, um, we're gonna at least try to get part of this done, and then we are gonna come back for at least a part two of the warrens, because I feel like our warren episode was the beginning was John Olson, so I think there's going to be some people that I actually want to hear about, and Lorraine a little bit, but first we're going to start talking about their most notable investigations and then we'll go into them and, most definitely, their later work. So first is the Perrin. Like I said, uh, the parent is most notably, uh, the basis for the movie the conjuring. Now, zach, have you seen the conjuring?
Speaker 3:I have not. You know, I am not much of a horror movie person. Um, like, the last horror movie I probably watched was probably like 2016 Ghostbusters or something. Scooby-doo, live action, obviously, but no, I'm not really big into that.
Speaker 1:I think there's a theme here, and the theme is you really want to talk? You're on the wrong podcast, pal. If we wanted to go on and talk about Scooby-Doo and the 2016 Ghostbusters, we probably would have named it that, so we could speak about it.
Speaker 3:I thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's not it, okay, okay. So how is it that I'm the foil to you like? Okay, whatever. So in 1971, the Warrens claimed that the Harrisville, rhode Island, home of the Perrin family was haunted by a witch who had lived there in the early 19th century. According to the Warrens, bathsheba Sherman. I just like saying her name Bath. Early 19th century. According to the Warrens, bathsheba Sherman. I just like saying her name Bathsheba Sherman cursed the land so that whoever lived there somehow died a terrible death. I don't know Like. People have said that the whole Bathsheba thing was not how it was. Dw, did you hear things like that?
Speaker 2:I, I just think of Bathsheba from. Isn't there a Bathsheba in the Bible that's?
Speaker 1:that's uh where that name, what that name reminds me of, I want to say it was uh, oh gosh, I can, can't remember, but it's obviously old testament I think so, yeah, there we go, um, like shadrach, meshach and abednego, you know like, like they had some cool names back then, um, anyway, so along with the parents, obviously, especially if you want to go to the whole like conjuring movie. It kind of started off with Annabelle, okay. Now please tell me, without referencing Ghostbusters 2016, if you've heard of Annabelle.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:There was yeah she's the villain in the Ghostbusters 2016 movie.
Speaker 3:No, I was going to say 1987, but or whatever year it came out, but no, I think last time I was on, or one of the other times I was on, you mentioned the Annabelle which I didn't know was Raggedy Ann. I thought it was like a porcelain doll.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so well, I think the porcelain doll has become like the stereotypical horror movie doll yeah. But, yes, Annabelle is a Raggedy Ann doll.
Speaker 3:Which I did see one of the people involved with Annabelle.
Speaker 1:He had just passed away yeah yeah um, he's part of nesper, by the way. Um, yeah, really sad, sorry man. Um to his apologize to his family. That's really messed up. Obviously I didn't know him. Uh, I do know people who did know him.
Speaker 1:Uh seemed to pass pretty suddenly. Uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's too bad. Um, I think it was Ron. See, like, I don't, I don't want to mess up the guy's name and I apologize sincerely, but, um, but yeah, so anyway, according to the warrens, in the year 1972, roommates claimed that the raggedy ann doll was possessed by the spirit of a young girl named annabelle higgins. The warrens took the doll, telling the roommates it's being manipulated by an inhuman presence, and put it on display in the family's occult museum where it still is, by the way, well, until recently, where they started touring with it and that poor gentleman passed away after one of the tours there. But yeah, so obviously, in the Conjuring series, annabelle is kind of big. I think that doll itself has three or four movies in its own DW. If you want to have any homework whatsoever, watch some Annabelle movies and conjuring movies and and whatnot oh, that's gonna make me feel better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, then as a pick-me-up, I'll watch uh ghostbusters 2016 okay I will say that, uh, the closest thing to scooby had to the Conjuring was 1999 Witch's Ghost. You know, I just kind of make everything parallel, but yeah, that's 1999 film Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if I've seen. I'm't even know if I've seen. I'm trying to remember if I've seen Scoob. The new one yeah, the 2021.
Speaker 3:I haven't watched that one, but anyway, the Dalma one. I heard that sucked. Yeah, the dalma one.
Speaker 1:I heard that stuff. Yeah, what do you think? You know, I I would say that this show derailed, but I don't think it ever really got on track. So hopefully, eventually we will. We will do so, I don't know. Um, yeah, so Okay. So obviously, lorraine was known to be sensitive. Ed was known to be more of the person who acted in faith and did things like possessions and whatnot. But you, okay there, buddy, is that Zach's?
Speaker 3:yep I can hear a car alarm going up on whose house? That's me.
Speaker 1:John, yeah, it was outside my house again, like I said, I would say it derailed, but I don't think it ever really got on track. So I mean um, what? So, all right, let's just, we're just gonna call this how we're gonna call this. Okay, we're gonna call this the um. This is this is how this is probably going to call this. The um. This is this is how this is probably going to be. Uh, titled is the state of the Scalarius address with the Warren interlude, because I don't feel we're ever going to get anything really, uh, going on on this bad boy, and I'm about ready to lose power. So I mean things. I mean things are, things are popping over here. We got car alarms going off, we have lightning hitting things and, and my uh, my lights are blinking.
Speaker 2:So I mean oh gosh, we, actually I, we lost power at work today um, yeah, for yeah for a good two, three seconds and and, of course, what's funny is in that short amount of time there were enough people going oh, time to go home. It's like can't wait three seconds for it to come back, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Alright, so we're going to end this with some things, with some warring information that does not include the 2016 Ghostbusters or Scooby-Doo and then we will come back. We will come back next week and actually do a good, kick-ass job with the Warrens. Give them their flowers, so to speak, because they deserve them for as many years as they've been in the paranormal. So we'll just go through it out there. Okay, so we're just going to say this Edward Warren Miney was born September 7th Huh, he's a Virgo. What do you know? In 1926, lorraine rita warren her maiden name was moran was born january 31st 1927.
Speaker 2:what sign.
Speaker 1:Does that? Make her uh, january 31st, I believe, would be. That's not capricorn, is it?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I thought it was irrelevant, so that's why I brought it up, um because yeah, yeah, um, neither did the capricorn, which is also the repair.
Speaker 1:american paranormal investigators and authors associated with prominent cases of alleged hauntings. Obviously Right there you go. Alleged. Alleged again.
Speaker 2:Alleged.
Speaker 1:Edward was a self-taught and self-professed demonologist.
Speaker 2:Ah, yes.
Speaker 1:Red flag number two, professed to be a clairvoyant and a light trance medium. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:Red flag number three.
Speaker 3:There we go.
Speaker 1:And she worked really closely with with her husband. All right, so we're going to run through every single one of these cases and we're going to go in depth with each one of these cases. Next week on Scalarious All 10,000? No, not OK. Each one of the notable cases. Week on school areas All 10,000?
Speaker 2:No not Okay, each of them have a notable case. Oh, just the notable ones. Okay, good yeah, alright.
Speaker 1:So obviously the Annabelle doll.
Speaker 2:The Perron family.
Speaker 1:The Perron or Perron family.
Speaker 2:Annabelle, which we already covered.
Speaker 1:Okay, the Enfield poltergeist, which is not, it's not the end. The car or my word, that car horn is going again is that your car? It's not my car, but a lightning strike, and then the car alarm went off again.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. I do think it'd be funny if you, if your car was being stolen, but you still couldn't stop the podcast because you're like I've got things to do here, hey stop stop taking my car. I'll be there in just a little second.
Speaker 1:I gotta do this, or that it's been a month, so we gotta, we gotta do the thing. So, uh, the infield poltergeist, which is not about the Enfield House that we discussed a few, the 1777 Enfield House that we talked about a few weeks back. This is actually North London and this one's about, if you were to watch the movies, this one the Enfield Poltergeist is the Conjuring 2. Okay, then there was Arnie Johnson. He basically killed a guy but he was supposedly possessed by the devil, and this is the basis for Conjuring 3, which is ironic. And then the Snedeker House, which was in Connecticut, and this one there was a couple movies about this. One of them was A Haunting in Connecticut which came out a few years back, basically about a family who moved into an old funeral home and it was supposedly really really haunted. The son had cancer or something and he was really sick and a ghost attached to him. It was kind of a. He had, like cancer or something and he was really sick and, uh, a ghost like attached to him and it was kind of a, a weird and very, um, messed up uh thing. So, uh, the Smurl family Okay, this is in Pennsylvania and this is actually, um, this is going to be the upcoming and last. The car alarm is going off again.
Speaker 1:This is the upcoming and last Conjuring movie, conjuring Last Rites, which comes out later on this year, and then Union Cemetery. It's in New England and it has the. You know it features the white lady, which I mean I feel every ghost is a lady in white, so I mean nothing too special about it. But I will say like, yeah, we're going to go into Ed, we're going to go into Lorraine, we're going to go into their, their stuff, that they some of the notable cases, some very, some strange people that say things about them. You know, like some pretty wicked stuff. But I mean they live in the public or you know they were in the public and that kind of stuff happens. But we're talking, like, you know, people calling them frauds and things like that, and people calling them frauds and things like that, but then also a supposed relationship that happened for over 40 years by somebody and things like that, but a lot of stuff. And then we'll go into the museum that they have. It was last, I thought it was in their house, but I think that it was a uh, oh my, I think I think they moved it and uh, yeah, so it stopped again.
Speaker 1:Um, it's going to continue to go on over and over and over again, and yeah, so we might as well get the show on the road to get people to get out of here while they still have some sanity. That's that, that would be, that would be good. Oh, another thing that we talked about maybe I don't know if myself and DW talked about it, but I just kind of signed an executive order on it and that was to keep the the shows at about an hour so people can go about their lives and not have to listen to us for two, three hours at a time. And we are almost at that hour mark. So what we need to do is get this or that out of the way and sign off like we normally do so. Dw, dw, I have a question for you, my friend. Yeah, do you have a this or that for Zach or me, or are we going do-si-do-si three?
Speaker 2:times. Well, I think the questions I have. I've already asked you, so maybe we should do a this or that for Zach.
Speaker 1:All right, zach, I'll tell you what you answer the this or that questions this week. Next week, when we do this, we will each ask each other all three of us oh.
Speaker 3:Okay. I just have one, though I have one. I have to ask this week, though.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Should we start it off with that? Yeah, start it off with your one. Who are you asking?
Speaker 3:Myself or DW? Both of you can answer this actually Okay Scooby-Doo or Ghostbusters 2016?
Speaker 2:You know, as much as I like Scooby-Doo, I really liked the 2016 Ghostbusters so I'm going to go with that one.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going with Scooby-Doo. All right, awesome, dw please.
Speaker 2:Should. I ask that All my questions should be Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Okay, zach, do you want to fly or drive?
Speaker 3:Definitely fly. I love flying.
Speaker 2:Okay, so when you fly, do you want the window or aisle seat?
Speaker 3:Every time I've gotten a window seat it's been on the wing Over the wing Over the wing, so I've never got to experience a true window seat. But I want to take an aisle because I've been doing a lot of pooping lately. Alright, I've definitely got to be getting up a lot. I don't want to be bothering anyone. So, yeah, definitely aisle, clue or Monopoly, be getting up a lot. Uh, don't want to be bothering anyone.
Speaker 2:So yeah, definitely clue or monopoly um, I've won at clue.
Speaker 3:I've never won it, hopefully, but I've also been bankrupt at both didn't know you could get bankrupt in clue I Me neither. I don't know how that is.
Speaker 2:I'll go with Clue.
Speaker 3:Chickenpox or Poison Ivy. I've never had Chickenpox, actually, I've never had Poison Ivy either. I think we'll go with Poison Ivy. I guess I don't know Batman or Superman think we'll go with poison ivy. Okay, I guess I don't know batman or superman.
Speaker 2:um, I like batman, I like batman, yeah, okay, um, you've perfected your time machine. Do you travel back to 1825 or forward?
Speaker 3:to 2225. Oh, we're going forward. Let's see if I made it on Netflix. Alright, or stand-up comedy, I'm not going with either Simpsons or the Office. The Office, 100% the Office. I've watched the Office at least 10 times through At least.
Speaker 2:Okay, does the toilet paper go over or under?
Speaker 3:I used to have a mullet, so we're going under.
Speaker 2:Weird reason to give that response, but sure Do you want to listen to your music on vinyl records or streaming.
Speaker 3:I do like streaming because you can just pull up each song and you just listen to it. But I there's something about a vinyl record. It's just so, just you know good, yeah, I don't, I we.
Speaker 2:We got a, a record player in our house a couple years ago and first off, unless you're paying for it, most streaming services have commercials and stuff and maybe you can start with your favorite artist. But then it goes to someone else With vinyl. Put the record on and you know what's going to play. Alright, I don't even know if this one counts, because we'll still do it John Olsen or Ted Bundy.
Speaker 3:That's a good one. That's a good one. I don't even know who Ted Bundy is.
Speaker 2:No. I'm kidding he can't do. He doesn't know, obviously he knows who John Olsen is, so he can't do that.
Speaker 3:I've met one kind of a fan, we'll go with John Olsen you're a fan of Ted Bundy have you ever seen an interview with him?
Speaker 2:Like he's just, I mean, you have to put aside temporarily what he did, I mean, which was?
Speaker 1:freaking horrible. He was very articulate very smart.
Speaker 2:He was very articulate, very smart, very just charming Yep, and if you didn't know, he would just seem like a nice guy. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, all right, we don't need to glorify Ted Bundy, no that's not our job.
Speaker 1:Our job is to glorify other, not Ted Bundy. So at the very least we go. Eh, don't not our job. Our job is to glorify their, not Ted Bundy.
Speaker 2:So at the very least we go, eh don't know who John Olsen is.
Speaker 1:Very much All right. So, as of recording, okay, the world took a lot of hits over the last week. Oh yes, we lost Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 2:Ozzy Osbourne, Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1:We lost Hulk Hogan, malcolm Jamal Warner. If anybody watched the Cosby Show when they were a kid or I mean, knew what the Cosby show was, because they're still kids Either way but today, as of the beginning of the recording, this one is hard, this one's a gut punch. I feel like my childhood is sincerely disappearing and it's really messed up um. Chicago cubs second baseman ryan sandberg has passed away. He was 65 years old. Uh, ryan sandberg, number 23 for the chicago cubs Cubs.
Speaker 1:Some of my most fond memories as a youngster in the early to mid-80s, going into the early 90s, was watching the Cubs and Ryan Sandberg along with my Granny Grumpus. So tonight my Granny Grumpus gets to meet Ryan Sandberg. So rest in peace, rido, yeah, man so, and Granny Grumpus, I love you and I'll see you sometime in the future, but anyway, um, yeah, that, that's that, that's what happened. So don't really want to end it on too much of a down note, so I will say this uh, 2016 Ghostbusters still sucks. On too much of a down note, so I will say this 2016 Ghostbusters still sucks, and I'll put that in the same category as stupid-ass Crocs.
Speaker 3:Crocs.
Speaker 1:Mr Rogers, mr Rogers, charlie Brown.
Speaker 2:And Sunshine Rogers. Mr Rogers, charlie Brown and sunshine, rainbows candy, happiness, yeah, all that stuff.
Speaker 1:No, I'm very happy, but you know I gotta do the whole jellies and shtick. But with that being said, we're gonna get out of here. We're gonna talk sincerely about the Warrens next week. Zach is going to zip it about the freaking Ghostbusters for a while. We're actually going to do them some justice and give them the flowers that they deserve. We appreciate you listening especially to the status galerius address. Zach, I appreciate you coming on. You did bring some fun to the show. It was you and the car horn, so I'm not 100% sure.
Speaker 1:I'm not who I was entertained. I don't know who I was entertained more by most likely it was the car horn, but anyway, yeah, we'll see you next week and everybody else. You know what that means, don't you? Means that you guys have been amazing. We have been Scalarius, we are out later are out Later.