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Ep. 88 Haunted Legacies: The Warren Files
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The legendary paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren have shaped our understanding of ghost hunting for decades, but how much of their work was genuine and how much was embellished for effect? In this revealing episode, we explore the fascinating lives of the world's most famous ghost hunters, from their founding of the New England Society for Psychic Research in 1952 to their investigations of over 10,000 cases including Annabelle, Amityville Horror, and the Enfield Poltergeist.
We unpack the recent news of comedian Matt Rife purchasing the Warren estate and museum, becoming guardian of their artifacts until 2030 - a surprising development that brings together the worlds of paranormal investigation and comedy. What does this mean for the Warren legacy?
The episode dives into the skepticism surrounding the Warrens' work, with scientific investigators calling their evidence "blarney" and pointing out methodological flaws in their approach. We examine the fundamental clash between the Warrens' faith-based investigation style and scientific skepticism, questioning whether their tendency to diagnose nearly every case as demonic possession undermined their credibility.
Whether you believe the Warrens were genuine investigators of supernatural phenomena or skilled storytellers who built a career on elaborate tales, their impact on popular culture through The Conjuring franchise and beyond is undeniable. Join us for this deep dive into the complex legacy of Ed and Lorraine Warren - paranormal pioneers whose work continues to fascinate, frighten, and fuel debate.
Thanks for watching what's going on. This is scolarius, I am john olsen and with me, as always, is dw the dancing witch hazel serene. That's a lot better, a lot better. Dw people might have actually heard that pop all right is that great my charred lemonade?
Speaker 2:nope, nope, uh. The mountain dew. Uh uh, baja blast mango, very cool, the mountain dew stuff, I don't know. I and I'll tell you part of the reason I I'm trying to cut down on my caffeine because I was just having a lot of problems. So I I was up to. Well, to give you the full story, I used to not drink coffee at all, and then I would only drink it when I was tired. Well, then I started this job where I had to get up in the morning and so I was tired every day, and so I started drinking coffee every day. But then it got to the point where I was drinking two or three cups a day and I had my heart was racing, I'd have palpitations, I couldn't go to sleep at night and I was just having all these troubles and I was like I wonder if the caffeine has anything to do with it and I switched to decaf coffee and game changer.
Speaker 2:Wow so since then, I've been trying to not drink caffeine wherever possible, including Mountain Dew. I love the taste of Mountain Dew, but can't have the caffeine. What's great about this?
Speaker 3:is there's no.
Speaker 2:Well, not that, but there's no caffeine. Where's the thing? Oh, I can't find the nutritional crap it should be sugar-free.
Speaker 1:That's the other thing.
Speaker 2:I thought it was sugar-free too. Yeah, it should be sugar-free. That that's the other thing. I thought it was sugar-free too.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it should be but yeah, so it.
Speaker 2:I and it's you know baja blast very cool.
Speaker 1:Hey, dw, like yes, I want to get back to you because I do have a story about alcohol, just a brief one.
Speaker 1:But a lot of people have good alcohol stories I know, but this it's not really that great, but whatever. So we have somebody else with us today. It's Zach Sharp. Zach's back, zach's back. Yeah, zach is back. Zach signed his C-Synthesis. No 2016 Ghostbusters will be discussed today, other than this brief uh moment that I said it. Um, he knows, uh, he's well aware of the uh ramifications that will happen if it, if it does happen. So, um, zach, uh, how how are you today besides that? And and do you have anything to drink?
Speaker 3:um, I'm doing, uh, I'm doing, all right. Um, sad about the cease and desist. I did read it over, though, and did not mention anything about Scooby-Doo, so we're going to be going on there, but I just got a cup of ice right now. I'm okay with.
Speaker 1:Scooby-Doo. That's fine. If you're back next week, we will just have to get to the lawyers and go down with the fine print just a little bit more. All right, very cool. So we're going to backtrack a little bit. Dw has a hard Mountain Dew, which is funny in a way because I said, hey, is that Mike's Hard Lemonade? Is funny in a way because I I said hey, is that a mike's hard lemonade? Which brings me back a few weeks back.
Speaker 2:We had oh, by the way on, on the day of of your birth, not the actual day of your birth, but your birthday, dw we had a party here for the uh, the stepson and he uh graduated you know, oh yeah, oh yeah, yes, yeah, which I and I remember, and thank you, by the way, for the invite, because I got the invite and it was like we know you're probably not gonna be able to make it, but hey, so congrats to him by the way um he's all right graduated.
Speaker 1:Now it's on the.
Speaker 2:Now is so when does he move out?
Speaker 1:Funny story. We'll talk later, all right, so, anyway, mike's hard lemonade. We're going to go to that. My daughter, who is 26 years old, she, she was up here, she was, she was excited, she wanted to spend some time with, with her dad and have her, you know, be at the party and everything. So she brought some alcoholic drinks and a couple of them were Mike's Hard Lemonades. Well, anyway, so we were getting ready for said party and my lovely queen consort asked me to go to Costco to get the cake, big old sheet cake, you know a good cake though, by the way. If anybody has not had a Costco cake, uh, dig in, they're amazing cakes, but anyway.
Speaker 1:So, uh, we get in the car it was myself, uh, my daughter, uh, my soon to be stepdaughter, my soon to be father-in-law, hop in my, uh, my car and, uh, I forgot something or whatever. So I had to run back, kind of, I think, into the garage or something like that, to come back in. Uh, so I get back into the car and, um, I go to buckle up and I happened to notice, oh, that's what I forgot. I forgot my drink. So I was going to put my drink in my cup holder. That's what I forgot. I forgot my drink. So I was going to put my drink in my cup holder and there was a can in there and I was like, okay, so I pick it up and it's a Mike's Hard Lemonade, it's my daughter's. And I go, hey, no, open container, you dummy. And then so anyway. So yeah, she tried to get me in trouble. I mean it's not that big of a deal, but it could have been. That's all I'm saying. But yeah, so anyway, that was the thing, ripping story, yeah.
Speaker 3:I thought it was pretty great. I was waiting for the punchline.
Speaker 1:There was no. Well, the punchline was that she was trying to get me in. Yeah, if I got pulled over, I mean it's just an open container really, because I hadn't been drinking. But you know, I still don't want that on my record.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's all right. New material is hard.
Speaker 1:I have no trust me, I have no new material. Oh, we know.
Speaker 2:I think yeah. Ever, Ever I've heard you write one joke. No, I didn't hear you write it, but I've heard a new joke that you did on the stage I have no the. The newest joke I've heard from you is the uh uh comparisons between what you would say in the bedroom and what you would say ghost hunting.
Speaker 3:I like that. I won't say anymore.
Speaker 2:I'm going to let you say it. If you want to, I'm not going to say it. I know some comedians get weird about putting jokes out on the internet because they want to save it for their shows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well you know I'm not really going to have any shows, so it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:Well, because you haven't written any new jokes, I'm not trying that hard either.
Speaker 1:to be fair, I'm just kind of letting life come to me. I'm not going to go chasing things, you know why.
Speaker 2:No reason, that's how people with no dreams live.
Speaker 3:So yeah, that's yeah yeah no dreams baby john olsen, what's that? No, okay. Um, I did watch the the video that you mentioned on youtube for that movie that you were in. I I thought those jokes were pretty good. I love that you commented on there that this is for a movie making sure people knew why no one was laughing exactly, yeah I mean, which was good?
Speaker 1:I was smart about it. That's what you saw. I have so many like the. The scenes with me in it are freaking amazing, did you not see it?
Speaker 3:I only saw the jokes. I stopped watching halfway through. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 1:I don't blame you really. The scenes, especially the not, they're cut, obviously. Whatever, they're not complete yet. Those are my favorite things and yeah, I really enjoyed that. Wow, that's almost 15 years ago. Wow, thanks for bringing that up. That's cool. Appreciate that, yeah. So, anyway, might as well get going on this thing because, you know, like hopefully less of a train wreck than the last one, but I mean, at this point, who really cares either way? So, first of all, I just want to say, if anybody out there wants to, if they, you know, if they want to get a hold of us, you can get a hold of DW at DW Serene Comedian on Facebook. You can find me at John Wilson Comedian 2.0 on Facebook. You can find us both together on Facebook.
Speaker 2:But not a couple.
Speaker 1:Nope, we On Facebook. You can find us both together on Facebook, but not a couple. Nope, we're definitely not a couple. You can find us at the Scolarius page. We also have a TikTok. It's called Scolarius8. And an Instagram called guess what? Scolarius.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Scoliosis. Anyway, all right, and if you want to get a hold of us, you can email us at scolariaspod at gmailcom. Or if you want to go back and listen to every single episode that we have, you can at scolariaspodbuzzsproutcom. And if you want to get merch, you can go to crowdmadecom forward, slash Scalarius and get merch there. No need to go over what the merch is. If you're not going to go to the thing when I say crowdmadecom forward, slash Scalarius, there's really no reason to go through the merch. But you can help some brothers out and go and get the merch if you want to. If you really do really, if you really do like the show, you'll go do that. If you don't really like the show, you won't. So it doesn't really matter at that point. But yeah, and I think that's that's that's all I do. Zach, is there a place you want people to find you for some reason?
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely you can find me on Instagram at Zach Sharf. Find me on Facebook. I do a lot of posting on Facebook. Just my name, zach Scharf. You can also find me on Snapchat. That's probably the number one thing I use is Snapchat. It's what most of my promoting is on Zach Sharf. Tiktok, fat Zach. A lot of dots, a lot of dots. I don't have a page where you can buy merch. All you got to do is just come to my show, which I have a show this Friday in Rochester.
Speaker 2:Oh, cool Nice.
Speaker 3:Zen Fusion. It's going to be a great show. You can buy my merch there please. I'm poor.
Speaker 1:I'm a comedian, yeah that's why I don't say I'm a comedian anymore, because I don't want people thinking I'm poor.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you're poor for other reasons I that?
Speaker 1:that is not true. I'm very rich. I'm actually rich in life. I have a woman who loves me. I have a great family. I have in life god that blesses me, uh like forever and always. I'm pretty rich in life, I don't care about anyone that loves you can't pay for a mortgage.
Speaker 3:I can't, I.
Speaker 2:I I don't she loves you a lot, yeah, yeah, in life but but hey, how's the uh car running?
Speaker 1:because remember we had this running thing where every week your car had some new issue with it I think it's on fire right now, but other than that, I think, um no, no, it's been pretty good Knock on wood. I don't know. I think I might have an oil leak. If I do, it's probably because of the place that changed. It Probably just didn't screw the.
Speaker 2:You know the thing on the oil drain plug.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:I lost a car that way too, you lost a car. That way too, you lost a car, that way. Oh yeah, did you find?
Speaker 1:it yeah.
Speaker 2:It was having an oil drain and we noticed it and I was like, oh, that's no good. So we stopped at a gas station to get some oil. I was like I got to at least get it home. So I put some more oil in, hoping that would be enough. And it and did not work, because we drove for a while and then engine blew out and we had to pull off to the side of the road and I ended up selling it to a guy who had to tow it away. So wow.
Speaker 1:Well, it's just little drips, so it's not pouring out by any means, but I mean yeah but still it's kind of concerning it is?
Speaker 1:uh, yeah, I'll have to go have them check it out. Anyway, literally, tomorrow I have to work, since bringing this up that's cool, um, but yeah. So, uh, I have brought you all together today, uh, to discuss. Well, first of all, you know we were going to get everything this happens all the time but hey, this is kind of on topic, so I guess, why not, we can talk about it. So, uh, we're, you're here today to talk about the wardens, ed and lorraine, but you can't really talk about the warrens right now without talking about the fact that some stupid comedian bought the Warrens like estate, essentially the house and everything in it. Yeah, what do you think of that? What? Yeah, matt Rife, you know the guy who doesn't do comedy, just talks to the crowd. Yeah, he's the one Like him.
Speaker 3:Seems to be doing better than us.
Speaker 1:I don't care how he does, I'm just talking about what he does. I don't care how he does, I'm just talking about what he does. I don't care how he does.
Speaker 2:So he bought the whole. Thing.
Speaker 1:Is he a?
Speaker 2:paranormal enthusiast.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I always thought he just liked hitting on chicks and making reels about it. I have no idea. I didn't know he was into anything, to be fair. I know no idea. I didn't know he was into anything, to be fair, I know he saw Kill Tony too, wasn't he?
Speaker 3:He was on there once, wasn't he on?
Speaker 1:Wild N' Out or something too.
Speaker 2:He was on something else I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 1:Just kicking it or something. I don't know what it's called. It was on MTV or VH1. Yeah, he was on Wild and Out. Yeah, okay, I don't know he was on that stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, he was on Brooklyn Nine-Nine, what, what. I can't believe that Really.
Speaker 1:He was on Brooklyn Nine-Nine. That's such a great show.
Speaker 2:I know right.
Speaker 3:I did look it up. He says he has publicly expressed a keen interest in paranormal, even labeling himself himself as obsessed with all things paranormal so I mean, you kind of have to be if you're gonna buy a whole estate you do? Yeah, I agree you should get him on the podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we could try, why not?
Speaker 2:I'm sure he would love it Right after you slammed him.
Speaker 1:I'm sure he'd be happy to be on it. I mean, that's actually the best kind of podcast, isn't it? It's when they all have the argument Listen, I don't have any problem with anybody. I feel I'm nice and kind and everything. I'm just saying. My thing is, I'm telling it like I see it.
Speaker 2:So if Melissa McCarthy were, you know we're interested in being on the show.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Melissa McCarthy has a great movie. It's called Tammy. I enjoy the crap out of that movie. That's a great movie.
Speaker 2:I was thinking of a different movie.
Speaker 1:No, there's no different movie Bridesmaids.
Speaker 2:Or Kristen Wiig.
Speaker 3:Leslie Jones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they wanted to be on the show and they're on a paranormal podcast. I can think of one film that they may want to discuss.
Speaker 1:Kristen Wiig is also on Bridesmaids.
Speaker 2:She's also on another movie that I was thinking of, though oh, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, no bridesmaids, what I was thinking of, yeah yeah, two girls, no and leslie jones yep and um oh, kate mckinnon oh, she's on snl, yeah, but she's in this, she's in this movie that I think would be very uh fitting so I I don't think, I can't think of any. Kate mckinnon, oh, the one with uh zach alpinakis, were they all like? Were there hillbillies?
Speaker 2:no, it was a different movie minecraft movie.
Speaker 1:That's what it was oh, I don, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know Either way. So Matt Rife buys the stuff, so he's now in possession of the Annabelle doll, which is scary as all heck. So I mean, yeah, that's the thing, guys, you know, comedian into the paranormal. What do you think of that? That's crazy.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I know, maybe I don't know Now that Matt Rife has done it, maybe now everybody will be like, oh, paranormal comedy. That would be amazing. They should put that together sometime and have an episode. I don't know, maybe have like 80, 90 episodes of a podcast about it. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe, maybe they could do that I don't something like that, so it maybe. And then here's the thing since we're we're not matt rife rich maybe we maybe we can find a like.
Speaker 1:Uh, maybe we need to find like a haunted porta potty that we can buy you know, since we can't afford an estate I mean to be fair every porta potty's haunted I work with porta potties, I could definitely find one.
Speaker 3:I could do my investigations, I could find out which one. And here's.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing. You would walk in there and be like I am definitely getting a very weird aura when I step into definitely demonic, there's that smell.
Speaker 3:I learned that. I learned that from watching conjuring.
Speaker 1:They smell bad oh did, oh yeah, that's right I finally watched it that's very cool.
Speaker 1:Well, the conjuring kind of leads right into what we're talking about today and that's ed and lorraine warren. Well, actually, we kind of led off with ed and lorraine warren too, because you know we then we had to start talking about matt rife, like okay, so just want to throw this out there. Um, I know this is not a video podcast, but um, comedians are not good looking. They're just not I mean, I am, but other comedians just not good looking, and the fact that he is makes me feel he's not really a comedian. So it's all good.
Speaker 2:I just, you know, just saying um, um, so john doesn't speak for everyone, and if matt wanted to be on the show, I would. I would be okay. Matt will never be on the show. I would be okay with that.
Speaker 1:Matt will never be on the show, and let me tell you why. Because he just wouldn't. First of all, if I emailed him, he wouldn't answer it. Second of all, he would just be like it's hilarious, it sounds stupid. And then he wouldn't do it, just like everybody else that's ever looked into wanting to be on the show, except for the 75 other people that were on this that blessed us with their presence, and I appreciate every single second that they were on here. That was pretty amazing. So, yeah, other than that, the rest of them, I don't think it's even going to be a thing, dw. So I don't even know why you're trying. That's all right, it's all cool.
Speaker 2:I'm just trying to keep my options open. Unlike you, I don't like to burn bridges, so I'm just saying who's burning bridges. You're saying he's not going to be on here. I'm just saying, if he wanted to, I would not be opposed to that.
Speaker 1:My thing is if he wanted to, I would not be opposed to it either. I have no problem whatsoever, I'm just yeah.
Speaker 2:Just saying I think it would be hilarious. I think what would be awesome is if we could get Melissa McCarthy, kate McKinnon and Leslie Jones First of all, not Leslie Jones, why not?
Speaker 1:She ranks up there with Crocs and things like that.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, john, what? So maybe we have an episode where John isn't on it, and then we can have all these cool people yeah, can I be part of that one? Yeah, oh, that would be so cool. So you and me, zach, and then all the cool people that are in um a certain movie, yeah, that's right, you can't I haven't said it yeah, exactly I feel like we skipped past a year, like in 2016.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 1:It was almost 10 years ago, so it doesn't matter, it's all, almost it's all in the past. You know what I mean? It's all in the past. So, all right, can we, can we get on to ed and lorraine, because I I feel like their flowers. We need to give them to them, don't you think? I mean, we've been trying to talk about them for two weeks now and everything keeps getting in the way, including matt rife. So well, you did that. So well, I didn't really do it, I just figured, hey, like we, it kind of needs to be talked about, because you can't put out a warrens thing without somebody's gonna be like, oh, did you hear matt right? And yeah, so then we're going to have to talk about it. It's all over the place, it's all over the YouTubes.
Speaker 3:I think it's really cool. I think it is and it's a really really big coincidence that I just watched Conjuring for the first time and literally the next day I'm going through TikTok and Matt Rife is on there talking about the mansion, so I thought it was kind of cool.
Speaker 1:I don't have anything against matt rife I don't have anything against matt rife either it's a very interesting.
Speaker 2:Like you, you hear about the weird things people do when they all of a sudden get famous and rich and stuff like that and they buy a monkey or buy some you know like million dollar car or whatever that they don't drive. Matt bought a haunted house, that's I mean it's not the first. Zach Bagans did it too yeah but, I, don't whatever, I don't pay attention to it you have Zach Bagans on the brain dude.
Speaker 1:I don't have Zach Bagans on the brain, I'm just saying he did it too. You know the Demon House in Indiana or whatever.
Speaker 2:He bought that as a sequel. Zach Bagans is known for paranormal. Matt is known for his comedy Zach.
Speaker 1:Bagans is known for paranormal and going way over the top and just being ridiculous Right and Matt Rife is known for just being ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Okay, if you want to move on, let's move on from all that.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I'm just kind of tired of this whole Matt Rife talk. I don't know why you brought it up.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, so All right. So, moving on, fred Rogers got a lifetime achievement Emmy in 1997 and the presidential medal of freedom in 2002 and was inducted into the television hall of fame in 1999. So I thought that was a good way to segue off of good for him.
Speaker 1:What do you do, Basil? Can we move on to Ed and Lorraine Warren?
Speaker 2:Jeez, you talk about Fred Rogers and all of a sudden you don't want anything to do with it, did he?
Speaker 1:Was he a director? No, Fred Rogers was the guy who danced with Fred.
Speaker 3:Oh, Mr Rogers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mr Rogers With Fred Astaire oh, I never watched he was yeah.
Speaker 3:Mr Rogers with Fred the Stare oh.
Speaker 2:I never watched he was. He was like I feel like I grew up with him and so when he passed away, I definitely felt like, like you know, when people like some celebrity dies and people take it really personally and they just cry and whatever. That was me with fred rogers, like I felt like I knew him and so it was very sad for me when, when he passed, see, now I feel bad because I was sitting there saying that stuff.
Speaker 1:So thank you well yeah, you should be feeling bad like I'm not feeling bad, the fact that I don't like him. I'm feeling bad, that you felt bad, see, because that's what a kind, gentle friend would feel like, because I have empathy towards you. That's what that is. You felt bad, so therefore I feel bad now. That's how that works, even though it was about Fred Rogers all right yeah exactly like fred rogers I don't know if ed warren did.
Speaker 1:Who's ed warren? Oh yeah, that guy. So anyway, all right, you don't want to know who ed warren is. He was a virgo, by the way. It doesn't matter, because all that stuff's hooey anyway, but september 7th 1926 ed warren was born. Whoa 1926 he'd be. He's 99, he would be that was would be, would be, he would be 99 getting there. Um well, actually no, not really, he's 90, he'd be 98 this year, but next year well, no, he's, he's turning next year, he's turning 99 in september, or would be, oh yes yes, my bad, uh, yeah, oh gosh
Speaker 1:see if I'm gonna get past the man, mr rogers, I probably would have caught up with the right, because he taught you these important things.
Speaker 2:Okay, I have a degree how to be a caring person and you know whatever cool, just can't tell it.
Speaker 1:When it comes to birth years and ed warren, apparently I don't know mr rogers would have loved matt rice. That's all I got is the connection in rochester bad? I think it is. It's about to. We're about to lose connection with somebody.
Speaker 2:All right, so we were freaking out just just due to the fact that he was born in 1926.
Speaker 1:I mean, didn't even get past that no, I was just saying okay, so he's born in 1926. All right, next, okay. So he ended up meeting good old lorraine, lorraine rita moran, who was was born January 31st of 1927. See, he was younger than her. I mean, she was younger than him.
Speaker 2:Oh, geez, I still can't even figure out the greater than or less than like which is no math, it's still no math.
Speaker 1:Well, anyway, so they, you know, they got married on January 11th. They got married on January 11th of no, that's not true. They got married in 1945. On January 11th of 1946, they gave birth to their daughter, judy, who was in the Conjuring right.
Speaker 3:Right Zach yes.
Speaker 1:Wrong age, I think, though. Yeah, most definitely wrong age, by the way, so I don't know if you guys want to do the math or whatever else, but 1946. 19-ish, 20-ish, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, the Warrens were faith-based at least seemingly faith-based and they always believed that demonic forces were likely to possess those who lacked faith, which makes perfect sense because, you know, if a demon was going to attach to anybody, they might as well attach to people who aren't going to turn to God by any means whatsoever. But, um, in 1952 the warrens founded the new england society for psychic research, which is nesper, which is still around, by the way. Uh, actually I don't know if it's still around now or not, because matt rife bought the stuff. So I don't know if he bought nesper or not. I don't know if that's actually part of. I don't don't want to say he did, but if he did, then he now owns that. If he didn't, then whatever. But it is the oldest ghost hunting group in New England. They have several books that they authored and they've to investigate well over 10 000 cases during their career. 10 000 like a normal, like ghost telling group might do. What a couple cases a month, right, 10 000.
Speaker 2:Dwo, not the greatest in math, but thousand dwo not the greatest in math, but I mean. So ten thousand is more than ten. Okay, just trying to help john here. So john is a hundred thousand more or less than ten thousand um 10,000. Zach knows the answer. This is audio. They can't hear you. Raise your hand, zach, I believe it's more. Very good yes.
Speaker 3:Glad you didn't answer me.
Speaker 1:So DW the Warrens were some of the first people to investigate the Amityville house which we talked about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and not to bring up Matt Reif again, but no, and I'm bringing this up for a good reason, because I'm reading that he bought it and he'll have legal he's legal guardians until 2030. He noted that the museum will be opening back up and patrons will be able to spend the night inside. So, oh, it's a cash grab. I I mean, that's not what I was going for, but I guess it could be all right cool, that's cool.
Speaker 1:He likes the paranormal so much he's going to make money off of it. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:Maybe he wants other people to experience it. Yeah, experience the paranormal Sure it does, I do simply.
Speaker 2:Maybe, we can book a night in there and maybe we'll actually meet Matt.
Speaker 1:I don't care if I meet Matt, but I would Spending a night there. That'd be kind of cool. I'm not going to lie, it's not going to matter any. I mean Matter. So, spooky ghost, spooky ghosts, don't scare me.
Speaker 3:Probably watch a movie.
Speaker 1:It's all good. The cool thing is we can literally watch Annabelle Comes Home. Spooky ghosts, don't scare me, probably watch a movie. It's all good. Yeah, the cool thing is we can watch it. We can literally watch Annabelle Comes Home, because that supposedly took place in their home, so that'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 3:Let's think of like a 2016 movie or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there are several movies in 2016 that I would like to watch. One of them can't be mentioned on this show anymore, so we're going to move on, aren't we? Yeah, okay, that's cool. Oh, my word, all right. So, among everything that they've all done, they've actually had some skeptics, and you know DW is going to have to speak to this, because if anybody knows skeptics, it's, it's dw, but skeptics. Perry deangelis and steven novella investigated the warren's evidence and described it as blarney I don't know that's a.
Speaker 2:I find that very interesting. I don't. I don't hear a lot of even a lot of skeptics use the word blarney. That's a good one.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm assuming they're from across the pond, but I could be wrong. Oh, I suppose yeah could be. Skeptical investigators, joe Nickel and Benjamin Radford, concluded that the better-known hauntings Amityville and the Snedeker family hauntings did not happen at all and it had been invented. So, DW, me and you went over the Amityville stuff and I said that there was a good chance, a good chance that it didn't happen at all and that they were just profiting, so to speak, off of the murder of the seven people. That happened less than a year before they bought the house. But I mean, there was some evidence that was picked up there that nobody could explain either. So I don't know, could it have been residual, who knows? But it was there, all right. So we're going to talk about their notable investigations.
Speaker 1:First of all, annabelle, who is the child of Matt Rife. Now, apparently, matt Rife is Annabelle's daddy Pause. Matt Rife is Annabelle's daddy Pause. In 1970, a Raggedy Ann doll was basically brought to them. It was supposedly possessed by a young girl named Annabelle Higgins. The Warrens took the doll, telling the people that it was being manipulated by, you know, an inhuman presence, and they put it on display at the occult museum which matt rife now owns, so annabelle's there uh, recently on tour, uh, when it was, but that was matt rife that's, that's what I thought you meant.
Speaker 2:Is he going?
Speaker 1:to open.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with opener Annabelle doll.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, that's good. You know how cool that would be, though Some say she killed, ah, and he's back Anyway. So, yeah, the Annabelle dolls there among like 680 some other artifacts that are there in that museum that Matt Reif now owns, and then, of course, the movie that you were talking about um the one in 2016?
Speaker 1:no, not that one. Oh, the conjuring, the conjuring movie that happened in in harrisville, rhode island. Um, it's the home of the parents, it's parent parent, did they even say I don't know, but it's the conjuring house and um, it was supposedly really really haunted. Um, as you can tell, like, obviously, the movie the conjuring uh, ramped up some stuff. You can't really, I mean, who, who's to say that really actually happened the way it did in the movie, or whatever, but, um, they said that, uh, uh, according to lorraine, who happened to be a, uh, is she a medium, a clairvoyant?
Speaker 2:right a clairvoyant oh, what's the what? What's the hang on?
Speaker 1:clairvoyant, somebody who can uh well, I don't know, I thought they were all the same, but I could be wrong. Clairvoyant.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure you can float in water or something.
Speaker 1:That's buoyant.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:See, I'm a man of science. See, I'm a man of science yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry I missed here at all my notes. Uh, it said lorraine warren, the human bobber, um, anyway, all right. So, according to Lorraine Bathsheba Sherman, yeah, sacrificed her son to the devil and after that cursed the land, that whoever lived there somehow died a terrible death. I, I don't know. You know, you can say whatever. I who knows if that's true or not. It could be part of that blarney thing that they were talking about earlier. Of course, amityville, obviously. This is Amityville, new York. This is where the Lutz family and they moved into the house after the murders and said a whole bunch of stuff started happening and everybody and their mom came and investigated it. Um, in 1979 lawyer william weber stated that he, jay anson and the occupants, invented the horror story over many bottles of wine. So I don't know if that's part of the blarney or not, but it seems to say it was. Then you have the Enfield Poltergeist. Now, if you've seen movies, the Conjuring Part 2 actually is the basis for this one. It's 1977.
Speaker 3:What it was actually made in 2016. The Conjuring 2. I swear On everything. I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 2:The Conjuring 2.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good year, isn't it? Great year, Great year, okay, anyway, in 1977, which was also a great year as well this year I was died, not saying that was great, I'm just saying it was a great year, not because of that, but whatever the year you lived that he lived for that year too.
Speaker 1:He died in august, so he lived through half of it okay. In 1977, the warrens investigated claims that a family in the north london suburb of menfield was haunted by a poltergeist activity. While a number of independent observers dismissed the incident as a hoax carried on by an attention-hungry child, the Warrens were convinced that it was a case of demonic possession. As we know, the story was inspiration for the Conjuring 2, and although critics say the Warrens were involved to a far lesser degree than portrayed in the movie in fact the couple had shown up to the scene uninvited. They were consequently refused admittance to the home. So everything that happened in the movie didn't happen because they weren't allowed there, so that's kind of funny in a way.
Speaker 3:I actually fell asleep. What's that? I fell asleep watching that the second time, did you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did. Okay, but you know it explains it it does. All right. So then you have Arnie Johnson. Now this kid.
Speaker 1:Apparently he was accused of killing his landlord, alan Bono, and basically Ed and Lorraine were called prior to the killing to deal with the alleged demonic possession of the younger brother of Johnson's fiance, brother of Johnson's fiance. The Warrens subsequently claimed that Johnson was also possessed At trial because this went to trial. At trial, johnson attempted to plead not guilty by reason of demonic possession but was unsuccessful with his plea. The case was described in the 1983 book the Devil in Connecticut by Gerald Brittle. So I mean there's a whole. There's a lot of connections here and almost every single one of them is that they feel that everything that happens is a demonic possession, feel that everything that happens is a demonic possession. So that kind of leads back to what our good friend Brandon, who is the supernatural sleuth, said, that every ghost is a demon. Now, if you were to look at this, are you telling me that all this demonic activity is happening in in that, or or are they just saying it's demons to get more reaction?
Speaker 1:just no, just throwing it out there now. Now that kind of goes to show like is it blarney, so to speak? I love using that word. I'm going to use it continuously, I think. Is it blarney, or is there that much demonic activity? And is it always surrounding Ed Lorraine Warren? Now, ed is demonologist.
Speaker 3:Self-proclaimed. Self-proclaimed.
Speaker 1:Demonologist, which means that obviously I don't know what that just means.
Speaker 2:It means you. Well, for starters, she made up the term demonologist, didn't she?
Speaker 1:I thought so.
Speaker 2:So that's like saying I'm a a waterologist and I'm a self-proclaimed waterologist. I'm an expert in water, I don't know. I I self-proclaimed, I'm self-proclaimed, so I can say whatever I want to well, I it.
Speaker 1:it kind of brings me, I don't know, you know it, I mean, Like saying that we're stand-up comedians. Okay, so what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:I'm a self-proclaimed stand-up comedian.
Speaker 1:Anybody can cast out demons, right, I mean, that's it. I mean, if you have faith, you can do it. So, because the pharisees back in the day, in in christ time, used to cast out demons all the time, but it doesn't mean that it's, you know, legit or whatever. I mean it doesn't mean that you're doing it for the right reason. So, um, knowing that you can do it and calling yourself a demonologist doesn't mean like I, I just like I don't know how close they were with with the church when you know, um, with how they were doing this stuff, but I just I don't know. It's kind of a touchy thing there. You don't want to like, you don't want to say that you're something that you aren't. I'm a self-proclaimed best podcast host of this generation, so I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's blurting.
Speaker 1:See, see, look at that, all right. The Snedeker House. In 1986, ed and Lorraine Warren arrived and proclaimed the Snedeker House, a former funeral home, to be infested with demons.
Speaker 1:Infested yes, the case was featured in a 1993 book In a Dark Place, the Story of a True Haunting, a TV film that later became part of the Discovery Channel series A Haunting. It's actually pretty good. I've seen that one. It was produced in 2002. The haunting in connecticut, a film based on the warren's version of events and directed by pete cornwall, was released in 2009 wasn't 2016? Just want to throw that out there? Horror author ray garton, who wrote an account of the alleged haunting of the snedeker family in Sodlington, connecticut, later called into question the veracity of accounts contained in the book, saying the family involved, which was going through some serious problems like alcoholism, drug addiction and cancer, by the way, could not keep their story straight, and I became frustrated. It's hard writing a nonfiction book when all the people involved are telling you different stories To. Paranormal investigator Benjamin Radford Garden said of Lorraine if she told me the sun would come up tomorrow morning, I'd get a second opinion.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:That's an interesting quote, wow Huh.
Speaker 1:Okay, A lot of Blarney going on. A lot of Blarney happening, All right. The Smurl family Pennsylvania residents, Jack and Janet Smurl reported their home was disturbed by numerous supernatural phenomenon, including sounds, smells and apparitions. The Warrens became involved and claimed that the Smurl home was occupied by four spirits and also a demon that allegedly sexually assaulted Jack and Janet. Spectrophilia Haven't talked about that in a while. Dw.
Speaker 3:Didn't know. Bill Cosby died.
Speaker 1:What, what.
Speaker 3:Didn't know. Bill cosby died. All right, this is a comedy podcast.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, try things out you can't do that, you realize, okay. So first of all, yes, I mean that's a funny line out of you know whatever, but you can't do that right now. We, gen x, has lost like three quarters of the of the. We've lost everybody in the last like three weeks and you're all of a sudden it's I mean, okay, it's bill cosby. It's kind of like when oj died, like okay, yeah, it's, I hope everything goes well in the afterlife. But I mean, you know, whatever kid just can't throw that out there. Geez, geez, louises, um, okay, so four spirits, also a demon that actually sexually assaulted jack and janet, not bill cosby.
Speaker 1:The squirrels version was a subject of a 1986 paperback titled the haunted and television film of the same name, directed by robert mandel, as well as the conjuring last rights, which is the last conjuring movie that is coming out. Hence last rights. Okay, ed war Warren's book Graveyard True Hauntings from an Old New England Cemetery features a white lady ghost which haunts Union Cemetery. Claimed to have captured her essence on film A white lady.
Speaker 1:White lady. The Warrens were responsible for training several self-described immunologists, including dave considine and their nephew, john zaffis. Now I've heard of john. I heard he's a really nice guy. I don't want anything like please listen, we're just we're trying to be objective on here and entertaining. I'm not saying that any of this stuff is actually real, just saying what the notes that I've taken and what I'm reading. I'm not trying to disparage the name of Ed or Lorraine Warren and I'm not trying to do anything other than, I guess, inform and, well, entertain. For the most part and Lorraine Warren were members of the Roman Catholic Church, so I mean, you know, I don't know what the church thinks of demonologists. I would like to actually investigate on that to be fair and see what they would think. But, like I said, they married in 1945. Yeah, unfortunately, ed died August 23rd of 2006, and Lorraine died on April 18th of 2019. They're both buried at the Stepney Cemetery in Monroe, connecticut. That is Ed and Lorraine. That is Ed and Lorraine.
Speaker 1:Now there are some things and, like I said, I'm not trying to poo-poo on the memory of Ed and Lorraine Warren, but there's other stuff. We're just going to go through it. So, in 2017, judith Penny claimed that she had a 40-year sexual relationship with Ed, starting when she was 15 years old. According to Penny, when she became pregnant, lorraine persuaded her to have an abortion because the birth of a child would become a public scandal and could ruin the Warren's business. Penny also claimed to have witnessed the couple engaged in physical abuse.
Speaker 1:Lorraine had it written into her contract for the Conjuring film series that she and Ed could not be portrayed engaging in extramarital affairs or engaging in crimes like sex with a minor. The Warren's daughter and son-in-law stated they never saw any of the alleged conduct during the decades they spent with the Warrens and Penny. So we have to go with what Judy and Tony Sparrow say, and that's probably what's the word of the day. Dw learning that's probably Blarney. So yeah, it's, it's okay to talk about the accusations, but when the daughter, the son-in-law, are saying like that didn't happen, you got to kind of take the benefit of the doubt from them, the closest people to them, and yeah, we're going to say that it was again DW.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what I don't want to say it again, dw. Well, you know what I don't, I don't want to say I situations like that, you, it becomes hearsay, it becomes he said, she said, type of thing, and I don't want to uh take away from what what uh penny claims happened, if it actually did happen, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's again it. It's hard to say when you you have. I mean that that's what makes those cases so tough is it ends up being just witness accounts and so with no evidence, stuff doesn't happen, and that's how people like cosby get away with things exactly.
Speaker 1:So we're going to say this if it happened, it sucks. Sorry for the victim, so to speak. It it's, it's a crappy situation. If it didn't happen, still sucks, still sucks. Legacies get tarnished and that's not entirely fair either.
Speaker 1:All right, so according to a 1997 interview with the Connecticut Post, steve Novella and Perry DeAngelis we talked about them earlier investigated the warrants for the New England Skeptical Society DW. Oh hey. Skeptical society, dw, oh hey. They found the couple to be pleasant people but their claims of demons and ghosts to be quote at best as tellers of meaningless ghost stories and at worst dangerous frauds. They took the 13 tour and looked at all the the evidence the Warrens had for spirits and ghosts. They watched the videos and looked at the best evidence the Warrens had. Their conclusion was that it's all blarney. They found common errors with flash photography and nothing evil in the artifacts the Warrens had collected. Quote they have a ton of fish stories about evidence that got away. They're not doing good scientific investigation. They have a predetermined conclusion which they adhere to literally and religiously.
Speaker 1:According to Novella, lorraine Warren said that the problem with Perry and Steve is that they quote they don't base anything on a God. I respect that? Okay, novella responded. It takes work to do solid critical thinking, to actually employ your intellectual faculties and come to a conclusion that actually reflects reality. That's what scientists do every day and that's what skeptics advocate. Okay, fair enough, but what?
Speaker 2:so it makes sense that if you're not good with your camera and every time you take a flash picture you think that the glare from the window is a spirit, and then you take thousands of pictures, you're going to claim that you captured thousands of spirits, but you're basically making the same mistake over and over again. That's kind of what I'm getting from. That is that they um so common errors. Like they do something wrong, they credit it as hearing a ghost, and then they just do that over and over again and claim they've gotten several pieces of evidence, you know. And then the thing is what I mean? I like that they use the, the um spectrum of possibly just meaningless but also possibly dangerous frauds, like that's really quite the accusation to say that it's possible that they're just making this all up to appear to be, you know, paranormal experts and make a make a bug. Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the thing that I I got um, the thing that I I got um out of it and I don't know. I just kind of look at it like this. I mean they're not name calling or anything. Uh, they said they were both pleasant people to just have a disagreement. Yeah, and that is um. She said they don't base anything on a god, which to me means that what she's doing is based on faith and what they're doing is based on science, and that's always going to clash, no matter what no matter what always and forever.
Speaker 2:So um well, and also that they have a predetermined conclusion. And so you go into a house saying we're gonna hear some ghosts today. Then the unexplained noise that you hear you claim to be a ghost. That's the other yep thing I got from that I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1:um okay, novella is quoted as saying they, the warrens, claim to have scientific, scientific evidence, in which, in they claim to have scientific evidence which does indeed prove the existence of ghosts, which sounds like a testable claim into which we can sink our investigation investigative teeth into. What we found was a very nice couple, some genuinely sincere people, but absolutely no compelling evidence. Like I said, they were kind, they just disagreed.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So alright. So, basically, we're not beating up on the Warrens, we're just telling it like it is and we're just kind of going through all the stuff, alright, alright. In addition to the investigations, the rain ran the Warrens Occult Museum, which closed to the public in 2019. It's in the back of her house in Monroe, connecticut, with the help of her son-in-law, tony Sparrow. We talked about him earlier. The museum displays many claimed haunted objects and artifacts from around the world. Many artifacts from their most famous investigations were featured.
Speaker 1:As of 2020, the museum was owned by Judy Warren and Tony Sparrow, which we know who. Okay, whatever, the museum closed due to zoning issues and concerns around the house, being a residential property that was being used for non-residential purposes. The museum is still available to a select few individuals, and here we go. What we started with is what we'll probably end with, and here it is. In august of 2025, comedian matt rife announced that he, along with youtube personality elton casti, never heard of him not saying it's not a thing, but but had purchased the Warren's home and museum and will be the legal guardians of all the featured artifacts until at least 2030. Reif noted that the museum will be opening back up and patrons will be able to spend the night inside.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 1:Interesting indeed, interesting, interesting indeed. So closing discussion on the warrens, before we, before we get into our this or that and get the heck out of here, dw, anything well.
Speaker 2:I think we determined that cosby was not a good person, but there was also a movie around 2016 that everyone should look into yeah, conjuring 2 um else.
Speaker 1:Uh, I don't know anything about that. Um, cosby probably was not a good person, but again, neither one of those people were featured in this show, so to speak, at least not talked about entirely. Just throwing it out there, self-proclaimed demonologist DW that's I mean.
Speaker 2:I think they made up the term demonologist and you can be a self-proclaimed anything. Really. I can be a self-proclaimed chiropractor.
Speaker 1:I just don't have a degree for it okay, but, like I said before, you know, like, um, you, you can, uh, you can cast out demons at any point. You know, um, I'm just you know it. It's the thing. Like I don't know you can do it. It's just that. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. You know, matthew 7, 21 through 23 basically says you know, not everybody who says to me, lord, lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father, who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day Lord, lord, do we not prophesize in your name and do we not drive out demons and perform any miracles in your name? And then I will declare to them I never knew you Depart from me. So I don't know you can cast out the demons, but you better know what you're doing. Essentially, lorraine was a clairvoyant.
Speaker 2:Hooey or not hooey, dw, hard to say.
Speaker 1:I don't know Okay.
Speaker 3:Zach, hooey or not, hooey, yeah, I think it's hard to say I agree, okay, self-proclaimed is what I keep coming back to. Yeah, like really, I really don't know you can self-proclaim in anything like we've multiple examples we've had, but something very serious like that, even if they did make that up, like that's a big, serious topic, you know I mean you can. You can say like you can be into, like, study of demons. I mean technically, yeah, that makes you a demonologist because it's a study of demons.
Speaker 1:I mean technically, yeah, that makes you a demonologist because it's a study of demons, but self-proclaimed expert no, if you study the bible, you're technically studying demons in a way as well, so that makes you a theologist essentially doesn't make you a priest, though doesn't make you a priest. Though Doesn't make you a priest.
Speaker 3:No, okay, okay. So I feel like a lot of their things could be true. A lot of them can also not be true. I feel like the odds are more of them not being true. But if everything is 100 true that they've experienced, how crazy is that?
Speaker 1:it's a lot of demons, because everything I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, there are a lot. One third of, one third of the angels of heaven fell to the earth, so there are a lot of them. But what I'm saying is like I don't know. It's kind of weird to be in contact with them every single time. You know what I mean and, yeah, you know whatever, but the fact is you know, um, yeah, to be, you know, we've had conversations with ghost hunters on this show for months and years and whatever, and not everything is a demon, right so. But then you know, you look at the arguably the most popular ghost hunters on the face of the planet and they basically said that everything was a demon. So, you know, I don't know. It's not meant for our understanding, I guess, is the way I should put it. All right. Their legacy, what do you think their legacy is? Understanding, I guess, is the way I should put it. Alright. Their legacy, what do you think their legacy is?
Speaker 2:I think Matt Reif will tell us.
Speaker 1:Matt Reif is going to tell us the legacy of the Warrens.
Speaker 2:Well, not tell us, but it's up to him. It is in his hands yeah, I mean, because here's the thing I mean first off he just bought this he just did this?
Speaker 2:it's hard to say. Is he just looking to make a buck or is he really into it? And, in a way, so here I'll in his defense. And here's the thing. What if this ends up being a really good thing where his popular popularity helps the warren house? And people who are matt rightife fans hear about this and say what, what do you mean the warren house? I've never heard of that before and look into it and end up going there and the warren house grows in popularity fair.
Speaker 2:I I mean right, I mean totally agree okay.
Speaker 1:So don't you think at the same time, do you think the Conjuring series, the Annabelle series, the Conjuring series, basically all that stuff, don't you think that they, those movies, put a big old shining light on the Warrens? And if it did put a big old shining light on the warrens, was it a a good light?
Speaker 3:or I mean I feel that they were portrayed very positively in the movie, so I feel like it was a good light. Um, obviously not everything is true, but I feel like it was more positive than negative.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, dw still hasn't seen him, right.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:I haven't seen him. I recommend it. I thought I really liked it. I was also under the influence too, so everything was just crazy to me.
Speaker 2:Well, that won't be me. I'll have a hard Mountain Dew while drinking it.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, I mean we could probably take this thing and just expand on every single one of their stories. I don't know, but I feel we've done them justice today. I I think, like I said, we want to give them their flowers and I will say this, like, despite all the negativity that that came about, it's probably all the criticism um the blarney, so to speak. They are by far the most notable paranormal investigators in the history of the world. So I mean, you gotta give them that. It's good for them. I'm glad. I'm glad they got that. With that being said, that's good for them. I'm glad I'm glad they got that. With that being said, I think it's time to wrap this baby up, and you know we can't wrap this baby up without, well you know, doing the this or that. So are we going to do the three-way, this or that? Um, that we that we discussed last, last week?
Speaker 2:well, I mean I did a this or that for zach, so unless zach, do you want to this or that me?
Speaker 3:I can, uh, I can this or that. You, I can try and think of some stuff, all right, okay, you can this or that me, and then we will.
Speaker 1:Uh, we, we will. I mean because you got this or that it and then. So therefore, I'll, I'll give this or that it and then we'll just we'll this or that. Uh, dw, some other time all right, great okay.
Speaker 3:All right, great Okay, let's see. Off the top of my head, I have the Netflix going right past showing everything Netflix or Hulu.
Speaker 1:Netflix.
Speaker 3:Netflix, okay Movies or TV shows.
Speaker 1:That's hard. I like them both, uh, but my favorite tv show of all time is the office. I've seen like 10 times like the whole real thing, so I'm gonna say tv show tv show.
Speaker 3:Okay, sticking with the office um uk or us us yes, uh, best answer uk was only one season. It was a great season, but it was only one season so I think there was a few, but yeah, I couldn't even get into it. British humor is oh, it's like 2016 movies. Swear um, um, okay, uh, okay. Man, this is harder than I thought that's what she? Said there we go.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 3:Write it down. Paranormal or Not paranormal, I don't know. Or not paranormal, I don't know Paranormal. Okay, eating in or eating out, john.
Speaker 2:What he eats, so much he can't picture a situation where he's not eating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I eat so much, whatever. Too bad, nobody could see this. I just flexed and my shirt just ripped, anyway, anyway.
Speaker 3:I think that was another stretch mark being added.
Speaker 1:Look at that, look at these freaking chat.
Speaker 3:Okay, anyway, um I got my bills paid uh, I'm gonna say I don't.
Speaker 1:I man, I like chinese buffets, dude.
Speaker 3:So I can tell yeah, can you?
Speaker 1:so eating out yeah, okay, I need to phase what I said, right so chinese buffets?
Speaker 3:okay, so going into the chinese buffet noodles or rice, rice, rice, fried rice or white rice, less carbs.
Speaker 1:Uh well, less starch, but I mean starch, but it's still I mean it's a carb, it's less carbs. Uh well, less starch, but I mean it's starch, but it's still, I mean it's a carb, it's less carbs. Um man, I do. I like eggs in my rice, man, so I'm gonna have to go with fried. I, I mean, steamed is obviously the healthiest choice, but I like the eggs and in Looking past healthy, because healthy sometimes isn't the best option. You know, healthy is most likely the best option.
Speaker 3:Well, like taste-wise, okay, all right.
Speaker 1:Fried rice yeah.
Speaker 3:We'll get a few more in and then we'll move on. You know what? We'll just do this last one.
Speaker 1:Okay, a few more.
Speaker 2:One quick, I think he froze at the the most uh at the most.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is he gonna?
Speaker 2:do the last. What's what's going on?
Speaker 1:how come this always happens? Where does what is who? Who's this internet provider? I had an argument with mine before I got on here. Who's his?
Speaker 2:we need to talk oh, I think that's so funny. He's like all right, one more, here it comes, and then that's when he what if he's?
Speaker 1:not really frozen. What if he's just sitting there?
Speaker 2:what if he's all?
Speaker 1:right, what if he's not really frozen? He's just sitting there and we're we're sitting there talking. He's holding it the whole time. He's doing amazing. All right, ask me the last question.
Speaker 2:You froze just before that, so we were waiting like you guys, froze too.
Speaker 3:I don't know what happened there all right um, okay, dw, you can answer this one as well, if you want to matt rife or john olson john olson. It's so narcissistic.
Speaker 1:No, it's not narcissistic, I'm just. I'm not going to choose some other dude when I'm here.
Speaker 2:If Matt ever took me on tour, I think that'd be. I think it'd be a great opener, because it'd be like, you know, here's the before picture, and then matt comes out, here's after you've worked out, or something like that I don't know, so I'm gonna go with matt awesome, that's a great answer oh yeah I don't even know who john olsen is so always a sellout, always a sellout, oh, always a sellout.
Speaker 1:Oh, tim Allen, now I'm open for you. Always a sellout, always a bigger, better deal, no loyalty, none at all. Dragging you along for 89 episodes and no damn loyalty whatsoever. That's fine, that's cool. I see how this goes. It's all right, I can handle it. I'm a big boy. That's fine, seems like you can't.
Speaker 3:No, I'm handling just fine, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, you know that, that episode what's?
Speaker 3:that I said this is probably my last episode well, well it's great to be on here, guys. I really appreciate, like, honestly, I'm just going to give you guys your flowers.
Speaker 3:You guys are hilarious uh from the moment I met you guys, um, like I just knew, like you guys were full of greatness and you have proven it over and over and over and I'm just so thankful for the opportunity to be on here, showcase myself, um, and like, this is my first podcast I've ever been on. This is awesome. This last year has been amazing and I'm just so glad that you guys could be a part of it for me, well, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just did you help me remember. I can't remember. Did you meet us through the podcast first, or did you see us where was?
Speaker 3:it live. We just kind of our first. Yeah, we did our. Uh it was, I remember that show. I remember that show where we, okay, but it was actually my first show okay, so it was from that that you learned about the podcast okay, we got talking, and then we also did that other show at uh welsh's big 10, yep and what's funny is I've done two shows there in two different rooms.
Speaker 2:Really, yeah, the first show I did, they had a sort of a closet in the in the basement.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:They do have a basement yeah it's like it's you go down there and it's almost like am I supposed to be going down here? There's this like employees only, or only it just looks like it should be roped off, or something like that. Yeah they do have a basement.
Speaker 3:I have another show there coming up here pretty soon, so maybe I should check their basement out. See, they're downstairs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, alright.
Speaker 1:Well, we appreciate the flowers, At least least I do. I don't know about him I, I said I do yeah, um, it's really nice, uh, yeah, uh. Just just count your blessings, kid, because they, they, they come to you and then then they go away. So but just always be appreciative of everyone you get, because you never know when the last one's coming yeah like this episode. Yep, like this episode. Yeah, pretty much the way the downward trend. We're circling the drain, baby, we're almost to the bottom of that toilet. We're getting there.
Speaker 3:I have a feeling this is going to be one of your best episodes. Yet we'll see.
Speaker 2:You can understand me and, by the way, for the record, I want to point out to you, john, that the cease and desist actually made it worse, because I think we talked about it more than if you hadn't told us?
Speaker 1:No, because we never mentioned what it was. I mean, you could hint at it, but we never mentioned it.
Speaker 1:So, that's fine, that's the way it should be. Alright well, ghostbusters, alright so. And Lorraine Warren, best parent, well, arguably the most popular paranormal investigators of all time. Nesper is still around. Their museum is still here, thanks to some silly comic who decided he wanted. Well, I mean, I don't know, he does crowd work, but whatever, and you know, yeah, yeah, so a good job. Hopefully it continues on. I wish it, uh, as much success as it it can get, and I feel it's probably going to, like you said, dw. Um, I feel people that are fans of Matt Reif might turn to it, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying it might end up being a really good thing for it.
Speaker 1:Let's hope and the legacy of Ed and Lorraine. Well, like I said again, best paranormal or at least most popular, most known paranormal investigators of all time. Zach, it was amazing having you on here again. Uh, you will come, we'll, we'll bring you back on I'll make sure to uh appreciate it.
Speaker 2:I'll make sure to make plans during. You know the recording, so that you have to come back to fill in yeah, I'll probably just go in.
Speaker 1:It could be a turncoat to somebody else, I don't know. Yeah, the St Paul friends, you know what that means. Right, it means that it's this time and it's time to say this you guys have been amazing, we have been Scalarius, god bless, and we are out Later.
Speaker 3:See you guys.