Your Skin Their Canvas: What You Need to Know About Tattoos

Thinking about your first tattoo or how to choose the right artist? We sit down with Morgan Benson of Hollow Earth to break down the path into tattooing, from apprenticeships to today’s highly specialized styles like realism, botanical work, and dark illustrative design. You’ll learn how artists and clients collaborate to create pieces that fit your story, placement, and skin tone—so your tattoo not only looks great now, but ages well over time.

We also cover what really matters for safety and results: what to look for in a clean studio, how inks and skin tones interact, and simple prep and aftercare tips to protect your piece. From hydration and healing to a heartfelt story that shows the deeper connection behind tattooing, this episode is your guide to feeling confident, informed, and inspired before you get inked.

Transcript

Meet Morgan And Her Path In

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to the Dermotrotter Don't Swear About Skincare podcast. This is an exciting day. I've got Morgan Benson here with me today. Believe it or not, she's on the podcast because of her dad, but not the way you think. We were talking at dinner and he told me how she's a tattoo artist. And I said, we have got to have her on. People need to know more about tattooing. She's been doing it for about six years and her studio is Hollow Earth. So welcome to the podcast. Oh, thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. Well, it's exciting to have you here because tattooing is something people are really interested about. And you're showing us from the other side. We talk about it on the dermatology side, how we handle it, how we approach patients, you know, from if they're asking us questions, but I want to talk more about from your perspective, like to become a tattoo artist. Like, what's that process even entailed?

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Yeah, so for starters, you need to find a mentor, which is someone that's been in tattooing for years, and you get an apprenticeship. And there's not a handbook to an apprenticeship, there's no guidelines. So basically, your mentor will kind of decide when you're ready, but it's usually anywhere between six months and two years. Um, you learn how to draw, which is kind of the basic. Yeah. First and foremost, let's let's see your portfolio if you can draw. Um, and then you kind of follow your mentor around, follow him around the studio, you find out how to make stencils, you find out hygienics and what you need to be um cautious about. And then when your mentor thinks that you're ready, you do your first tattoo. And it's the most nerve-wracking thing. Who volunteers? You can it's a loved one. A loved one. A loved one that loves you very much. Uh-huh. Um, and it's usually just a black tattoo. I think mine was a tree, like a little pine tree. Just something simple to kind of break the ice. Yeah. Um, and you can practice on fake skin too, which is usually just like a rubber um kind of pad just to get the feel of the of the machine. Um, and then yeah, you kind of graduate from your apprenticeship and and you're out in the world on your own.

Styles, Niches, And Collaboration

SPEAKER_02 2:04

So it's pretty informal from what it sounds like. And there's no like standardization, it's really up to who's your mentor, right? So is there like a well-known like group of potential mentors? Like if you go somewhere regionally, like you're here in Ohio, so you kind of know who are good mentors, or could you be in a different state potentially or somewhere else and go wherever you want to be after?

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Yeah, so well, tattoo laws change um by county. It's not even by state. So everywhere is really different. I think kind of a safe way to go about it is just being with someone that has a lot of experience and typically it's a shop owner. Um yeah, somebody that is confident and knows what they're talking about and has, I would say, 10 years at least under their belt.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Yeah. So if you were wanting to be a tattoo artist and came up and like can't draw, is it kind of ruined the dream? Or can you get away with stencils or other things that people could do? Or do you really need to have that inherent talent?

SPEAKER_00 3:00

I think it helps. I think it can definitely be learned. I think drawing and especially if you want to be a realism artist and you just need to learn how to copy an image. Obviously, that takes a lot of skill and talent, but it can be learned because there's tricks and tips and um lighting and you learn how to do, you know, like textures. If you've ever seen a realism tiger or a lion tattoo, you know, those are those are skills that you learn. Um but there's there's also a lot of different tattoo styles. So if you want to do color or if you want to do abstract, you having that artistic background definitely helps because you kind of um already know like what you're capable of.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

So when you talk about those tattoo styles, I mean, I wouldn't even know that there's different styles. And full disclosure, I do have a tattoo, but I wouldn't even have known. I would not have even known. This was like a bonding thing between my best friend and I that we did, you know, back in the day. Okay. But I wouldn't even know styles or what to choose. I mean, I think we just looked at pictures and said, that one, right? And we picked it together. So can you talk about what are the different styles? We mentioned the realism, like I would have no idea what that means. Yeah. In the context of, you know, and I don't know if most clients come in, if they even know they're just like, hey, I want this. I want a tattoo. And this is what I found the picture. Maybe they look if you have a catalog, but what are these different styles of tattoos?

SPEAKER_00 4:24

So I think that that's something that's happened more recently because I mean, I've only been in the game for six years. So I think I've entered during a time where you can be very specific, not just the style, but even the subject matter, because there are people that will only do botanical tattoos. And then you have to get into the nitty-gritty. Do they do color botanical or do they do black and gray botanical? So they only do plant, like they can people that only do plants. Um like so it's like vegetarian tattoo art. Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Only vegan.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Um, all of the artists at this shop kind of have their own distinct style. Okay if you look, um, hang on, the camera can't see, but our the owner of the shop, his name is Nathan Marty, and he does the dark arts. So he just does skulls and these monsters, but they're gorgeous. Um, my coworker Rusty only does black and gay black and gray portraiture. So he's very good at doing realism. Um, and each artist kind of finds their niche. And I think it's really cool because back in the day, I think it was just you walk in, you say that's what you want, and that's what you get. But now there's there's so much um collaboration that goes on between a client and an artist. And I think it's really special because you come out with something that's so unique and that's refined because there's a lot of like nuance to that, to that style.

Health Inspections And Safety Proof

SPEAKER_02 5:53

So which I think makes it more unique and special. Not like for the artist, but for you know, the client getting it. Yeah, actually getting it, which I think is fascinating because I mean I was, you know, the catalog person or like, you know, just what you know, this is what we decided to get. Yeah, which is more from the book for it. Yeah. Excellent, very cool. So, one of the things you mentioned is how tattooing is regulated. I think that's probably what a lot of our listeners want to know. They're thinking about a tattoo, they're wondering, okay, I want to go to the studio, but who's sort of overseeing the studio to make sure that they are upheld to all the sanitation standards and that it's a safe place for me to actually go? So I wanted to have you talk more about that because you mentioned it at the local level.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yeah, so we are inspected every year by the health inspector, which is usually right around the first of the year. I think ours is gonna be in February. Um, and they're basically looking for the basic sanitation, right? Um, they're gonna also check all of our inks and needles and make sure that they're not expired because they do expire. Um, everybody has to have their bloodborne pathogens certificate and their first aid certificate up to date. We have to do a test and renew those once a year. And then as far as um your own research for going into a shop and kind of checking it out, there should always be um a certain certification, certification or a sticker or something that has a date on it that says um this store has passed the health inspection for year 2005 or 2025, 2026. Um, so it's that's the first thing that you see before you even come into the shop. Um, as far as looking on your own, you always want to make sure that your tattoo artist is changing their gloves. They should never be putting gloves on, touching something else, and then touching your skin. I go through and it's not very eco-friendly sometimes. Uh I I hate to see it at the end of the day, but you know, it's to protect our clients constantly changing our gloves. Um what else could you look for? Obviously, just a clean space. You know, you you're you know when you go in somewhere. We have an amazing studio here.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

I mean beautiful. Very happy here. Yeah, because I I feel like you know, that's what people want to know. And like you mentioned, it's more at a local level. So what we do here in Franklin County, Ohio could be very different in another county here in Ohio, correct? And then another state, obviously, too. But it sounds like what you're really highlighting too is that transparency. Like you should be able to ask, they should be able to show it to you. And more importantly, probably the reputable places put it out in front and center, right? They highlight that they've been inspected, they've got the seal approval, so they're up to like best practices for sanitation. Yeah, totally makes sense. And I think that'll give people that faith, you know, that people are doing this, you know, even though it's not some sort of like mid federal or state law, but they know locally that things are being managed so they can feel secure in going in and getting that tattoo. So it's probably a big hang up for people.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

100%. And when you go into your um appointment, I have had clients kind of ask me what I'm doing and why, and I respect that. And I feel like you should be able to be very upfront about it. You should always open your needle cartridges in front of your clients so that they can see that it is sealed and that it is sanitized and ready to go when they're in the chair, not you know, 30 minutes before anything.

Morgan’s Journey From Art To Ink

SPEAKER_02 9:12

So that's great because I don't need people peace of mind just to kind of know how that regulation works. Perfect. All right, let's do that one. Stop. Yeah, I'll make you shorter for Amanda. So I know you mentioned six years now coming up on tattooing, so that's exciting. But can you tell us more about your journey? Like what got you into tattooing? I think people are probably curious, like as a profession, like are you somebody that artistry has always been, you know, a part of you and a good expression, or maybe you know somebody that did it. I mean, because I think a lot of people might be surprised that you're a tattoo artist. Like, I know and I don't mean that in a bad way, but I think I said somebody said she's a tattooer. I'm like, yeah. I said, and I have another friend who's a tattoo artist, but you would probably maybe guess that because they wear and they have on their skin a lot of outward tattoos, and that's just their expression. So I wanted people to kind of you know learn more about you and what brought you to this place.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Yeah, and culturally, I think it has changed a lot. I think the idea of who is a tattoo artist and and their um how they face is a little bit different, but I got into it because I went to art school and I always loved art and I really liked um experimenting with different mediums and I did a lot of charcoal. That was kind of my background here. My medium of choice. Thank you. Uh and so after I graduated, I actually moved abroad. I went to Spain for a couple years and I was teaching English there, and we had a four-day, four, four-day week schedule. So I had Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off. And I just started getting tattoos and I started working on my leg sleeve, and I thought, this is really fun, and I really like this. And I became really interested in not just the art, but the connection that I was making with my artist and other the other artists in the shop started, you know, because I was going in every couple weeks and they get to know you by name, and it's it's a community. And so I did my apprenticeship there in Madrid, and it was kind of just something to pass the time and learn, a new medium, which is always exciting. I think it's exciting as an artist to be bad at something, you know, when you first started because I was I wasn't very good. And it's challenging, and you have this whole other aspect that you don't have in regular art, which is I can come back to a charcoal piece whenever I want, and I can stop and I can go to the laundry or whatever. But when you're with a person and you're having a moment of connection and you're you're, like I said earlier, collaborating on an idea, it's a completely different ball game, really. So I came back and I started working at a shop. I moved to Cincinnati for about a year and started working at a shop there, and I just really liked it. And I decided to move to Columbus to be closer to my family, and I've just never stopped and I decided it was really what I was gonna do forever.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

So I love that because I think people are shocked sometimes. Like, how does somebody get into that career, right? Or is it somebody you knew and just how you fell into it? But how art was kind of that pathway because I I do feel like I mean it really is an expression of art for so many people and the talent that I see, especially on details and you know, some of the faces I've seen or you know, nature seen, just the level of details amazing to me. Amazing. So do you mind? You mentioned the uh legs like mine, like shoulder.

Inks, Custom Mixing, And Skin Tones

SPEAKER_00 12:38

People that can see this for the beautiful. So what inspired this? Um, I love scuba diving. So I started with this chip up here and then kind of put I have a lighthouse up here and just started piecing together some aquatic stuff.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

And did you do this to yourself? Okay, so somebody's helping. Someone did this, yeah. That's against like like an unwritten rule. Are you allowed to tattoo your own skin? A lot of people have to do that for their apprenticeship.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

That's really a lot of I didn't know. That's a big risk if it's your own skin. I didn't mention that because I did not do that. I did not tattoo, I have tattooed myself, but I have not, that was not my first one. Yeah. Um, but it it's really helpful to start getting tattooed first to know what it feels like because it hurts.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

That is true, that is true.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

It's not super comfortable. And you you do grow more compassionate every time I go get a piece done. I feel like I come back to my clients more compassionate. So I'm like, yeah, you want some more water, or you need to let me let's take a break or let's stretch or something. So yeah, I I just think that apart even from the art, it is just a collaborative, cool way to express yourself and help other people express themselves.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

So well, and I think too, you mentioned you know the art piece and doing it on yourself. Like, how like what a scary venture. I would be afraid to tattoo myself. And but I think it's funny too, we have a lot of patients that come through that have multiple tattoos, and we might have to actually do a biopsy. And they're like, You're gonna think I'm crazy, but I am really afraid of needles. Yeah, and they're gonna say, You're gonna be like, You're not gonna believe me because I'm covered in tattoos. I'm like, Well, you probably wanted the tattoo. The biopsy, you probably don't want to. Probably not. It's a good point. No worries. We've all my yeah, we will walk you through it, no problem. So if somebody's thinking about getting a tattoo, I have two staff right now that are just considering it. So maybe we'll have a backyard to do to do their tattoos. What would you recommend? Or what do you tell somebody if you're thinking about getting a tattoo, this is what you should do before you go, or choose a studio or an artist?

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Yeah, well, Instagram or portfolios, websites. Yes, look at people's work because, like I said earlier, everybody has the fortune right now to pick their own style and get really good at one style and feel comfortable. If somebody came to me and wanted a big colorful trad piece, I probably would say no, because I'm that's not what I do. So definitely ask your artist, you know, are you interested in doing this? You can send reference photos that of things that you like. That way they get a good idea of what you're envisioning. Um, I would definitely again social media, it's a love-hate relationship always, but it's a good tool in that sense. And even looking at, you can look at Reddit, um what are those called? Threads. Oh yeah, and see if people yeah, because people will leave honest reviews, especially when it's something this personal.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

So yeah, I think that that's a really good way to um validate or verify if an artist is going to be the the right pick for you.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

So definitely check to make sure they have their you know, posting that they've been inspected, research them, find out like what they do, do they do it well, get some references, see the pictures, reach out, collaborate, send images before you sort of pull the trigger, anything else that you would recommend? Is that a pretty good start when you get in there?

SPEAKER_00 15:59

I feel like that's a pretty good start. And and you can get one tattoo and it maybe you like it, but it wasn't a great, you weren't vibing well, the chemistry wasn't there, and you can go to someone else. That's a really good point.

Prep, Numbing, And Aftercare Basics

SPEAKER_02 16:09

The chemistry, probably when you first so do you do so. Question I wouldn't do you do like a consult first, or like could people come in literally and say, like, I want this and it gets done, or do you do a little bit more sort of feel each other out before you choose to move forward? Because it's, you know, sort of for us, if we are gonna do like a surgery or something, we're gonna talk to the patient, go over pluses and minuses, risk benefits, uh, make sure they're comfortable, you know, especially if it's something cosmetic. Do you feel like it's kind of that process, or you just kind of roll into it?

SPEAKER_00 16:33

It depends on what they want. Sometimes it will be a very direct, hey, I want this quote, I want it in this font. Okay, you don't really need a face-to-face consultation with that. Yeah. Something I have a sleeve that I'm working on Friday, and it's very specific. It's this, it's all about books that she's read and that she likes, and she has very specific things from the books that she wants. So I did have her come in for a consultation because I want it to be exactly what she wants. So I think it depends on that initial email. And then some artists do consultations for every single piece, and that's fine. But I think it depends too if I know the person and they it's a returning client, and they I know that we have a good chemistry and I know what they're looking for, and they know that I can deliver what they want. So I think it depends on a lot of things for a consultation.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Well, I think you've taken that relationship to the next level because I think a lot of people think, oh, I'm just gonna show up, you know, they're just gonna tattoo me, right? But I think that connection or the collaboration you keep emphasizing is something that could be a rewarding part of the experience. So probably people don't even anticipate or even expect. So you you mentioned we talked about different types of tattooing. I wanted to touch upon the inks because I think a lot of people are curious in the dermatology space. Sometimes we see you know potentially allergy to different types of inks, and of course, people can get other reactions within tattoos that we might see even down the line years later. Can you talk more about the different types of inks, or maybe is it personal choice, or maybe it depends upon the type of tattoo that you're getting? Like, how do you actually choose inks?

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Yeah, of course. The ink that I get, I have to get from a supplier. Um, I use something called allegory ink, and I've always used it and it's always worked for me. I've always liked it. There are a gosh, there's a plethora of different inks that you can use. I think depending on the style as well, will change your opinion on certain things. Color artist probably could answer that question a lot better. But I can say that there are different types of inks to the point where you can make your own even with like a powder and you can change the opacity of it because if you're doing a cover-up, you're gonna want an ink that's not thicker necessarily, but but more opaque. And so you can add a little more powder and then make it thicker and then do do your thing with the confidence of knowing that that's what you made to do.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

And really customize it. Customize it. Yeah, okay.

A Tattoo Story With A Twist

SPEAKER_00 18:59

And same thing with color. Um, my coworker Anna, I see her all the time with her little mixer thing, and she's putting different inks and making different hues, which is really fun. Um, there's some black and gray artists that use um black inks that are already pre-diluted. So you have very specific gray washes. You have the black, and then you have 75%, 50%, 25%, and that will give you a really smooth transition. And it's it's pretty infallible as far as touching up that tattoo because you know you're getting that same so it there's a lot of technicalities. Sorry, I'm trying to make this a concise um response, but no, that's good. With inks, it's there's so much we could probably have a whole like session.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

It gives people a good idea of like obviously, especially there are probably some people dabbling at home, and Amazon's not where you would recommend going, but getting it from a true supplier. But then also sounds like there's freedom, right? You can customize it. I mean, I hate to you know make this analogy, but it almost reminds me, like you see people like looking at hair coloring and diet, like they're mixing them, or you're making them unique to the patient, or to excuse me, to the client, like they're making it unique to that person. Yeah, you still have that freedom because you might be matching maybe it's a tattoo that was done somewhere else in a different color, a different time, or you don't know what ink that was, and you're trying to really get that color to be the same. So it's nice to you have that artistic freedom.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

That and I actually learned uh a little trick from a co-worker Jess. She was showing me that when she has a client and she does a consult for a bigger maybe color piece, she'll do a little test somewhere on the skin. I think this client that she had was pretty tattooed already, so it wasn't the stakes weren't super high as far as this goes. But she would do each color that she would maybe use in the tattoo and make her come back in two months and see how they heal. Yeah. Because you know this, yeah, skin's different on everybody.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Yeah. Um I can imagine too, a skin tone. And if you have more melanin and rich skin and you're trying to get the color perfect, you have to take that into account and see how it's going to look.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

You wouldn't want to use yellow on someone that's really dark because it's pain for no reason. It's not really, it's not going to show up as rich. I mean, you can, of course, if that's what the client wants. Um, but I would probably try to talk them into maybe a darker orange or something. So that makes sense. Yeah, you have to take a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Because you're looking at her palette and your palettes are obviously different for depending upon the different skin tones that we all have. Exactly. Yes. Go do that one. Sorry, that one was good. So, all right, one of my staff people are probably definitely coming back. They're gonna get a tattoo, they're gonna want to know what they do to prepare their skin, and then what's the aftercare? So I was gonna have you kind of just briefly go over that. Yes, great question.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

Um, so like I said earlier, tattoos do hurt, but I do permit um my clients to use a topical numbing. Typically, it's just lidocaine, it's just five percent lidocaine. I think there are some targeted, you know, this is specifically for tattoos, but I'm pretty sure they're all basically the same thing. I just recommend putting it on 30 minutes before your tattoo and letting it kind of soak. And then when you come in, I'm going to well, let me back up. Preparation that you can do stay hydrated. Okay. Moisturize your skin, exfoliate your skin. We want it to be nice and smooth and ready to rock the day up.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Even day up, you can moisturize it. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Good to know. Okay. So you come in, we're going to clean your skin. I use a green soap and sometimes an alcohol solution as well. We shave you up. Um, we put the stencil transfer on, put the stencil on. Sometimes I do have clients that are first-time tattoo getters, and I always just call them and I'll say, we'll just do a little tiny little line just so you can see what you're getting yourself into. Have you ever got the first line?

SPEAKER_02 22:53

No.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Okay. Because every time they're like, oh, okay. Yeah. It's not so bad. Yeah. But I think just getting that first, just knowing that the that there is the option to stop if you're uncomfortable, relaxes people immediately. And then because they feel more in control. Yeah. Um, so I'll so I'll do that. We chat, do the tattoo afterwards. I do have a little aftercare sheet that I give to my clients, along with a little thing of ointment that I recommend using and a little piece of candy. Yeah. Always for the blood sugar. Yeah. Uh so I'll typically use a second skin, a sanoderm or a tegoderm. We dry it off, we put on the second skin. I recommend leaving it on three to five days, somewhere in there. It's waterproof. You can go swimming, you can do whatever. I still typically don't recommend exercise just because I've exercised with the sanoderm on and it gave me a horrible heat rash and it was itchy and it was uncomfortable. So I say, you know, take it easy. Maybe just go on a walk. That's you know, that's it. Nothing too physical. And then after you take that off, which I always recommend taking it off in the shower because the hot water loosens it up because it's sticky stuff. You've probably used it. Oh, yeah. So take it off in the shower, and then it's pretty intuitive after that. You're just you're trying to keep it clean. That's the number one thing. We're not letting our pets touch it, we're not letting our kids grab it. You know, we're we're keeping it clean. A really thin layer of either aquiform or vitamin A and de ointment. Okay. Real thin layer because you still want it to breathe because it needs to breathe to in order to heal. I say do that for 10 days. Okay. You're gonna go through maybe a little bit of a peeling and an itching process, which is normal. And then after that, it should be healed. It depends on what you get as well. I do more fine-lined stuff, so my tattoos tend to heal a little bit quicker compared to someone that's color packing. Those could take up to a month to heal. Wow. Yeah. And then do you have to keep it out of the sun? Do you recommend? Or yes, keep it out of the sun. And that it'll hurt if you are in the sun with a fresh tattoo. You'll feel it because the skin's raw. Um, your skin will tell you get me out of the sun. But then for the longevity of your tattoo, always wear sunblock, and which you should anyways. Exactly. Always sunscreen, you heard it. Um and keeping it moisturized. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Yeah. That's pretty much it. Well, I mean, so I think when people hear that, it's pretty easy to take care of. Few little things you gotta do. I think people will be reassured by the numbing for sure, because I think a lot of people think that's like a not even an option. But one of the things, too, I wanted you to kind of end with in our last few minutes is I wanted to hear about like a great tattoo story. So doing skin checks, I see tattoos all the time in unique places, unique things you wouldn't expect from prison tattoos. Immature is something that's like totally elaborate. I had a patient, you know, that had this very elaborate design on their body, and I was just wowed by it. Yes, the artistry and the talent. What is your favorite, like or most inspiring tattoo story that you can think of?

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Sure. Uh, well, I have so many amazing clients that have me do so many amazing tattoos on them. Obviously, any sort of memorial tattoo is incredible, any sort of scar cover-up is incredible. But my favorite tattoo story was a few years ago, I had a girl reach out to me, and she has a daughter that had a liver transplant when she was six months old. So her and her sister wanted to come in and they wanted to get matching tattoos of her scar in the shape of a flower. Um, so they came into the shop and we were really hitting it off. We were talking, and the one sister was like, Are you single? Because we have a brother and we think that you'd really like him. And we went and got dinner and we're getting married this year. Oh my gosh, congratulations.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

That's fantastic. I didn't even know that, dude. That's like utter surprise. Look what tattooing can do when we get in here.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

But he, I mean, that's him right there. But he's super tatted. And I looked at his Instagram and I was like, yeah, I'm single. It's good.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

That's awesome. So yeah. So wait, will you ever tattoo him? Is that the tattooed? No, no, because the uh that is the permanence factor. Right, right. Rings, we do roll rings, we do tattoo rings. What will you do?

SPEAKER_00 27:08

I will probably get well, I do have my knuckles tattooed already, but I'll probably get like a heart or something on my own.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

That's why I was very curious because I know I have they're like, I gotta do something. That's amazing. I know, isn't that great? But I think that's the beauty of tattooing. You know, it has come a long way from having the stigma and sort of being socially unacceptable, and you're right, that evolution of tattooing has really occurred over time. And I'm sure our listeners have really enjoyed learning more about tattooing because there's so much, even as a dermatologist, that I don't even know. And I love hearing the other side. So I want to thank you, Morgan, so much. Of course, thank you so much for having me on. And stay tuned for the next episode of Dermatrotter Don't Swear About Skin Care.