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Two Bowsers, Two Views on XR - Dr. Diane Bowser, PhD

• Nathan C Bowser • Season 1 • Episode 39

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Dr. Diane Bowser is Senior Manager of Emerging Technologies at Lenovo and founder of CodeReal, bringing a rare blend of R&D leadership, arts background, and startup hustle to the world of XR (extended reality) and wearables. 

Key Takeaways:

  • Bridging Startup and Enterprise: Diane operates at the intersection of nimble startup energy (CodeReal) and scale-driven corporate innovation (Lenovo). She encourages founders to blend creative, non-technical perspectives with technical knowhow.
  • Making Innovation Human: Her goal is building technologies (especially wearables and XR) that respect users' privacy, data, and trust—extending Lenovo’s reputation for security into new product lines.
  • From Arts to Tech: Diane credits her arts background for resilience, negotiation skills, and a user-centric approach—highlighting how creative, non-traditional founders can thrive in tech if paired with the right collaborators.
  • Focus & Letting Go: She shares the importance of time-blocking, realistic metrics, and having the humility to let go of bad ideas (or mismatched team members) to focus on what works, both for individual startups and within global R&D.

Diane’s journey spans classical music, philosophy, teaching, and company-building, united by a drive to break barriers and make technology human-centric. Her story is one of continual reinvention, boundary-crossing, and championing both technological progress and the people behind it.

About Dr. Diane Bowser, PhD

Dr. Diane Bowser, PhD is a Senior Manager guiding Lenovo’s Emerging Software UX Team. The Emerging Software UX Team designs experiences for new technologies, AI, and XR hardware products from inception to two years as they enter Lenovo’s commercial product portfolio.

For 2025-26, her work centers on building next-generation AI and Spatial XR technologies. The Emerging Software UX team looks forward to new lighter spatial form factors in XR and agentic AI in spatial computing with integration into the commercial Think Series hardware. 

Before joining Lenovo, Diane was, and is, a co-founder of CodeReal, LLC, a company that develops augmented reality (AR), mixed-reality (MR), and virtual reality (VR) applications for companies, institutions, and manufacturers that require targeted spatial components.

As an academic (Ph.D. in Philosophy, AOC - Technology), Diane spent 20 years teaching in various public and private institutions at the university level. Most notably Clarion University and the University of Pittsburgh where a technology prototyping class inspired her to work exclusively with start-ups over the last decade to seed business growth in 3D design, augmented reality, mixed reality, and virtual reality enterprise-level ventures.

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Nathan C Bowser:

Hello and welcome to The Glow Up! I'm Nathan C and I am pleased to bring you a very special separated at birth episode of The Glow Up. Today I'm talking with Dr. Diane Bowser, Senior Manager of Emerging Technologies at Lenovo, and Founder of CodeReal. Hey, we're Bowsers in XR. We gotta talk!

Dr. Diane Bowser:

I'm thinking like, Tale of Two Cities, like"Two Bowsers, Two Views on XR."

Nathan C Bowser:

"A Tale of Two Bowsers." It was the best of XR. It was the worst of XR.

Dr. Diane Bowser:

You can be the best!

Nathan C Bowser:

One of the questions I actually was really curious about right, is if we have two Bowsers on the podcast, like... who actually stole the princess?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

Well, I want the car. Okay, I'm just gonna be upfront. I want the car!

Nathan C Bowser:

Yeah.

Dr. Diane Bowser:

So I guess I'm the driver!

Nathan C Bowser:

Dr. Diane, it is so good to see you today! Thanks for joining me on The Glow Up.

Dr. Diane Bowser:

Likewise, I'm thrilled to join you and I excited to talk about XR technologies today!

Nathan C Bowser:

Could you introduce yourself and talk to us a little bit about the work that you do with emerging technologies like XR?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

I work at Lenovo in emerging technologies, which is exciting because it's an R&D department at Lenovo. And of course, spatial is nothing new in the world at large, but for big enterprise companies and integration of spatial technologies with AI and all the other new technologies emerging technologies teams have grown up. And this is a dream gig for me. This is a company, Lenovo, where they sell hundreds of millions of laptops, right? So the potential to make a big impact is huge. And that's why I am working with Lenovo right now!

Nathan C Bowser:

I love that focus. One of the things that is always very top of mind in emerging technologies is like distribution and supply chain. Whether you're an app that's limited to certain kinds of phones, like a wearable for instance, that's trying to make a global impact that distribution and supply chain seems really important and like something that's baked in to a company as big and far reaching as Lenovo. Nice call there!

Dr. Diane Bowser:

Lenovo's a great OEM, right? And so the impact, the opportunity to make wearables, right? Is a little bit different than the opportunity to design for preexisting wearables. And so CodeReal's about encouraging innovation in startup and Lenovo's about capitalizing on that to the biggest market possible. So that's why I like the two sides, right? The startup energy on one side and the corporate energy on the other.

Nathan C Bowser:

Okay! I have to know, these are both like hard problems, both different sizes, different players but both playing in some very interesting spaces at the edge of what is possible. Can you talk about how you got here and where this all started for you?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

Sure! So this started many moons ago, more than I'm willing to admit. My start was as a classical musician and the instruments you see behind me, I started coding to make sound libraries for those and plug them into MIDI and make computers talk to each other digitally. So we were at the advent of the switch from analog to digital recording studios. We're filming this in my recording studio. And I was always interested in doing the next thing, maybe sometimes so interested that I was so far out ahead, no one else was interested. And they were like,"What future thing are you doing?" And so that's the connective glue that holds my whole career together. I started by building recording studios and new technologies for those. I went back to school and got a PhD in philosophy, right? I left my musical classical training on the floor. I left everything on the floor and I started teaching logic and philosophy, and then the itch to build things came again. You can never not be an innovator once you start soldering and hacking and so on and so forth. So my specialty in philosophy was technology. In the academy, those things don't go together, right? You can't cross teaching computer science and philosophy. So the academy was unkind to those interests in many ways, right? They wanted very traditional people in very separate places. And I was one person who wanted to traverse all these spaces and just tear down the barriers. And that was rogue. That was really rogue. So I decided I had to leave academia after 20 years of teaching and build startups, and that's where CodeReal came into the picture. I gave myself a little project to build 10 companies in 15 years. Spend a year or a year and a half with each of those companies. So that was the problem, right? We need more startups, we need more energy, we need more people innovating and my goal was to get these companies off the ground and work with founders. And what you learn when you work with founders is founders are a bit pathological. And I love you, founders! I'm one of you! I'm one of you. But we get committed to a vision in the founder community. It's huge. And people don't wanna let go of that vision even when it's not maybe panning out in the UX sense. And I'm all about UX and the users. And the use cases might not fit the technology. And so I would give these companies a year or a year and a half to wake up and get it and stand up. And then if I liked that founder, I would wanna own a little piece of that company and go to the next one. And when we got to company number six, I owned it. CodeReal. And I started it with a developer partner of mine and the company is predicated on one idea. We're gonna take other academics like myself who have great ideas in their lab. They're looking for grants and people to develop the software into a more mature state, right? Here I am, I've left academia. I can write grants with them, and then I can help them spin out and stand up their company and continue my 10 and 15 project through CodeReal, right? So that, that's one very focused goal. My my goal in academia was always to get a lab where I could play with emerging technologies. It's super simple. It's just super simple! There, there's no complex path there at all. And along came Lenovo during the pandemic when it was almost impossible to be a startup company and get people to put XR headsets on their head. That was like a quest to say the least, all puns intended. And so there I was trying to get people to put headsets on their head. And heads in Lenovo came along and said,"We wanna build these wearables and we'd like to have somebody along who can help lead the software development." And so to me, there was some synergy and synchronicity, and Lenovo was very kind about this whole startup notion, like they want an ecosystem too. So they didn't mind that I was working in that ecosystem, and I found a way to make these two things work together.

Nathan C Bowser:

I'm a little bit floored at how you seem to, as the founder have a very strong instinctual understanding of like your strengths and vision and passion and can balance this very nicely against success metrics, right? Like actual business impact so that you're constantly building on learning, but also learning how to grow and build successful business. So wow! That you were able to do that once, but that you also saw, a bigger opportunity. So you made that space twice! Or six or seven times. I'm just floored! I love it! When you're working on so many ideas and engaging in these sort of future spaces, it's gotta be hard not to just wanna dive in to certain big trends, certain juicy problems, but you've got a lot of responsibilities as this, like multi-threaded founder innovator. How do you stay focused on keeping each project, each activity at the level that it needs to be while also continuing to probe and grow and push the edges?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

I'm gonna talk about time blocking, right? So the skill is time blocking and really sticking to your time blocks, even when that's not feasible. Like you think, I need more than an hour to do X, right? But I only have an hour, so what's the one thing I can do to push X forward today? And so on that level, it was like progress for each of these projects is like the thickness of a sheet of paper, right? But if you stack a lot of paper, it gets heavy and it has weight. The other thing was knowing when to let go of bad ideas. And bad founders! So for CodeReal I'm working with founders successively, right? I'm pouring all that energy into that founder for a year or for 18 months, and I'm trying to get to know their soul and the soul of the business they're trying to build. And I say that in a very spiritual way because if everything's not aligned, and if they're not trying to create the right experience, we're gonna get on the struggle bus together and maybe battle each other! Me and the founder, right? And not just me, like all the other people who are on the bus with us. And it takes a lot of humility to think you can start one company. And here I am, like I'm gonna start 10 in 15 years. So knowing when to let go of bad ideas and bad founders to stay focused, knowing when to let go of struggles and circuses that are not yours. You know not my monkeys, not my circus, not my dream. And go to the next better focused thing. And then focusing on what does done look like? What does our goal look like? Like when can we say, we made it or we're done, or we've stood this company up and it's ready to fly on its own. Having really easy metrics. Easy metrics! Like, are we making money? Do people take salaries, right? Do we have investors or founders or runway where we can develop an MVP and really be successful? Let's be realistic! I think that's my number one thing. And then having the courage to say, and the humility to say this isn't, I can't accomplish this with you. I need to move to the next project because you would be better served by people who are X than maybe Diane Bowser. Right? And so the humility to bow out when you know you can't make it happen for that person. It's not always them. Sometimes it's the product. Sometimes it's the dream, sometimes it's the market.

Nathan C Bowser:

Yeah! Being able to cut your losses or understand when something isn't productive feels really challenging when you're in this founder's mindset where, especially in emerging tech, where like you might be so new and you're being told to be tenacious, to believe in your idea. I'm curious and is there a secret to letting go of ideas that you've held really passionately whose time just isn't ready? And like, how do you socialize and get large global organizations to make those kinds of hard choices or to approach those kinds of hard choices?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

In large global organizations, they have mechanisms for sorting their ideas and prioritizing their research and development, right? So they have quantitative metrics, right? If we do a POC and it doesn't hit market saturation at, say 2% or whatever the target is right? They will pull the plug kind of in a mechanical way, right? There's nothing wrong with quantitative measures. There's nothing wrong with saying if we don't make$2 million on this idea in our POC stage, maybe we don't sink ourselves all the way into the hole. So at the corporate level, they've gone through it so many times. They have some kind of process that they're working with. On the startup level, right? Again, it's all spirit and heart. These people have thrown their lives in. And sometimes they believe harder, if you tell them that's impossible or that's not technically achievable, they're all the more determined. Yes! And they put on their capes and they get out there and they wanna achieve. Part of it's like nurturing and encouragement. Certainly I don't wanna focus on the negative, right? But the other part of it is having the humility to know you might not understand the market and you might be way out of sync. As an emerging tech person, if there's like a new gadget that comes out, I wanna try new gadget, or I wanna see people who have tried the new gadget, and then I'm gonna decide if I'm gonna buy the new gadget. And how much interest I have in that, right? And my house, my studio here is littered with the gadgets, right? But then do I believe in this founder? And does this founder have a realistic notion of what the market is? And it's like pulling them back from the ecstasy, all puns intended of the high of being a founder and saying, look, this is your life. You're wrapping your life around this. Let's make sure it's a solid thing. And so, there's always those two tensions in qualitative and quantitative metrics for what success looks like or what progress looks like are key to making those calls. They're almost dispassionate at that point.

Nathan C Bowser:

Thank you for that! You talked about this sort of spiritual connection. You talked about really understanding a founder and their vision. There's some hints at the balance and like real life factors like a salary that like founders need in order to be successful. Can you talk a little bit more about your vision and of a successful young startup and what are the kinds of things that you're coaching new organizations and these businesses that you work with towards?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

The most important thing I have left, okay? Isn't my money, it's not anything in this frame. It's my time. It's my time. That's all I have. That's all I own. And if I'm gonna give it to another individual, I want to give it out of empathy, love, and kindness. Like period. If we're building a garden together, we're building a piece of tech together. I don't care what we're doing together. That's what I have, that's my most precious gift to you. And I wanna make sure our time isn't gonna be spent on negative drama and BS. So spiritually, what am I trying to assess? Is this person mature enough to take this idea? This startup idea from the passion that it is, this great idea and passion, to the long days and nights. Often we associate with workaholism, right? To make this a reality. Like, can that person, do they have that stamina, right? And what's driving them and how adaptive are they, when the struggle comes. Like I wanna get into a struggle with them right away, a shared struggle, a shared problem that we can solve. Like right away I wanna understand what the pain points are and share a struggle with them so I can understand them.

Nathan C Bowser:

Do you have an example?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

Yeah! So I had a founder my first founder and we're gonna talk about learning from mistakes because you're painting it as if I just know how to throw successes out of the bag. And let's be real. The reason I was trying to start 10 companies in 15 years is probably seven of them would fail. Let's be cold and real and maybe even eight or nine would fail. But that one I own the piece of that one was worth the time. And I can go back and reinvest in that one. So knowing when to let go, right? And knowing when to struggle with them. That very first struggle within the first few weeks, that kind of tells me, that sets a temperature for the party. What's this party gonna be like long term? And and how are we going to face challenges together? And then that tells me a lot about what I can give them. What I can help them with, right? How can I spend time with them? And then there's a good, better, best, right? Then I start talking about packages. I can do this for you, but this is a limited package. Or I can do, this is what better looks like, but you have to be willing to do X, Y, and Z. And so things are conditional. Because that's my time I'm trading for their business to make them wealthy. I'm not owning the majority of that business. They are, right? And then the best is, you're in the right place, you've got the right product, you're the right person for the struggle. You have a pretty good idea already, and what you need is just technical help. You need the technical, like the corporate knowhow I can bring for like, here are your processes. Here's how to get that stuff going. Those are the easiest people. You almost never find the easiest people though.

Nathan C Bowser:

That's absolutely fascinating! So often in a client relationship there is this like, whatever you want, I'll figure out how to do it. Especially if you are a new founder, trying to find your way, bending to everybody's whatever is like the fastest way to get spun out into a million pieces and not gain any traction. But this idea of what is a relationship, a working relationship like when you set expectations for each other and are clear about like the boundaries and requirements that are required to make certain kinds of changes or to do work together. In like a musical example, it's like saying I want you to be my drummer, but you can only use keypads. I want your services, but for nothing you're good at. And it is so common! and like people jump for that. I'm curious, how did you find that sweet spot and like your sort of voice as an entrepreneur, right? Like your zone or that? Yeah.

Dr. Diane Bowser:

So I came from music and performance arts, right? And I spent my whole childhood and my whole life there. I'm a classically trained musician. I toured with international drum and bugle corps and I taught music as a side hack all the way through college. And you always have to negotiate those jobs, right? You don't even go to play at the bar until you get paid in advance. So you become like a person used to rejection. What does the arts train you for? Rejection. Negotiation. Emotional involvement. Because the arts really grab us in a way, I think technology grabs me that way too,'cause I'm a little weird. But the arts grab us in a very powerful, soulful way. And so being all in that way taught me like what it would be to be a good artist, right? And if you can pull money in your coffers as an artist, which I had to do until I was well through grad school at an advanced age. Again, I'm not willing to mention! I was moving along, and then of course you look at those successes, right? I look at those wins in the arts and I say if I could do that with some drumsticks, here we have some technology, some drumsticks and a soldering gun. And I have this. In tech, I think we just have to extend that principle. People are passionate, people wanna make good things. People want other people to enjoy and use their things. And so we have to master negotiation. We have to master the art of conflict. And adaptation to just unseen and unpredictable market forces that we don't know when we're planning, we don't know there will be tariffs. We don't know!

Nathan C Bowser:

This comment alone just warms my heart so much because the reason that I got into tech and the reason why I do so much media is because my first career was in art galleries and I saw how everybody wanted the help of creatives and artists and how like whole industries flourished on this creative energy, and yet nobody fights for the creators. Creators have to fight for themselves. And if you can make it as an independent artist, you have way more, right? Like I would argue you have way more negotiation, market research, right? Iterative process. You have the skills that it takes to launch a company because you probably had to start three or four just to be a musician, right? Like you're publisher, you're doing your publicity, you're doing your distribution, you've got every single aspect of several businesses that you're running. So those non-traditional founders, those sort of non-technical founders that always get panned when you're talking to like hypergrowth VCs are often the ones that really know how to find what is an MVP product. What is a lovable experience? You know what can people enjoy? Shout out to creative and non-technical founders! You probably already have the skill to go make something happen and just need to put it into a new wrapper. I think it's time to get to one of my favorite questions, and the show is called The Glow Up, right? Which is a notable transformation, a rebirth. A revitalization of sorts. So I use this to talk about six month goals, short term goals. What's your big audacious goal for the work that you're doing in immersive technologies?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

My big audacious goal at the corporate level is to skill up my team and help us integrate new AI technologies into XR in healthy ways that respect our users. It's really simple. And what do I mean by respect our users? Their privacy. Their data. And their trust and confidence that Lenovo would never do anything weird with their data or share their data. And make an experience that helps them save time and productivity. That's simple. In a corporate way that's really simple. You can do that. And it's measurable. On the CodeReal side, right? On this building company side. This is a lifelong project. I realized it's not just 15 years long. It might go on longer! And my goal there is to encourage everyone. I mean, this isn't going to be an ageist thing, but I wanna bring the next two generations along. I want the Millennials and the Z's and even the Alphas. I want them to think about their lives and careers as a series of businesses they're going to make. And a series of projects they're going to do. And I want them to bring their entire selves to the table. So the dance class and the music background and the sports background and whatever they have, I want them to bring all of it to the creative table and make companies. And I want them to make their own companies. I think we need a world that's more dynamic, that's more based on small and medium sized businesses. And I want them to feel the freedom that I can. So I'm encouraging people, especially non-technical people, you don't have to be technical! Maybe the AI's gonna take care of a lot of the technical stuff in the future, maybe. And like you said people who have had resiliency in the arts or resiliency in sports, or resiliency in some performance oriented occupation, often they know how to survive and they know what people need maybe in their particular niche or maybe in another niche where they have a hobby. And so we shouldn't rule out non-technical founders. We should pair them and introduce them to the technical people of the world and make companies together. So I want to glow up this notion of innovation.

Nathan C Bowser:

Heck yes! I'm always so inspired when my guests bring a big goal. And the great thing about big goals, right? Is even on your path to them, you can make some outstanding contributions. Oh! There's so many things that I wanna dive into! The idea of data and privacy in a world of wearables is one of the most hot button issues that I've seen all year in what we've been putting out in The Glow Up. Charlie Fink had some comments recently about wearables that just showed me how much people are really concerned about privacy. The images come to mind when you hear wearable technology. People think about it as like body tracking. They think about it as microchips and COVID vaccines. Wearables spawns a whole range of exposure and opinions.

Dr. Diane Bowser:

Lenovo has this reputation, think about the ThinkPad. You see it everywhere. And so they have a great reputation. They're the number one PC maker in the world, right? And so companies clearly trust them. And so the goal of my work there is to continue that. Just continue that. And make them feel good in wearables and safe in wearables. And if they're gonna adapt wearables into their tech stream, they know that it comes from the same company that built that ThinkPad. We respect you and we respect your data. That, to me, is the biggest thing I could do in my role at Lenovo as we move forward with emerging technologies. In the world, I want my founders to be resilient and adaptive. I want them to abandon bad ideas and go to good ideas. And I want them to be courageous and brave because coming from the arts, right? 3,000 people will tell you no. And one, one will tell you yes. And that's the one you're looking for! And that to me is resilience.

Nathan C Bowser:

This idea of supporting Gen Alphas and Z's in all of their interests and skills, I think is just outstanding. And there's a bit of a theory that I've been working on about how a lot of business tools you can tell the influence of millennials and Z's who are hardcore gamers all their lives because so much of software is turning into game mechanics, right? The price for most like business softwares has gone from hundreds and thousands of dollars a month to$10-$15 video game starter pack costs. The way that we use AI services and buy them and quantify them is in tokens. We're building avatars and NPCs to guide us through worlds like this. Everything that we're doing is built on these game mechanics. And I can tell you my kids have spent more than tens of thousands of hours, in-world learning game theory, understanding resources, building strategies to hit goals faster, learning where investment works, where it's not worth it, right? Like their understanding of this capitalist economics and like how to engage and like direct attention is like innate at this point.

Dr. Diane Bowser:

That's a beautiful tie in! That is it. They're learning and they're practicing and they're getting their 10,000 hours of business experience playing, what is that? It's not Animal Farm... What was it called?

Nathan C Bowser:

Oh! Animal Crossing.

Dr. Diane Bowser:

Yes!

Nathan C Bowser:

That's where we started!

Dr. Diane Bowser:

I heard my son and his friends arguing about who had to go to work and who had to pay the mortgage. And I was like, this sounds too much like adult life! Why are you playing this?! But like you said, they're learning all about capitalism. And that's like a capitalism little engine for playtime. And then showing them how they can turn that into real money in the real world. That's where two Bowser's making money in XR makes a lot of sense!

Nathan C Bowser:

Love it! Dr. Diane, we always like to make time for a community spotlight or a shout out for groups doing something of impact or of good that you see in the world. Is there anybody that you'd like to share a little spotlight with?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

Sure, I'd like to share my spotlight with The Virtual World Society that you well know from AWE and Dr. Tom Furness, who has given his retirement, I wanna stress, he gave his whole career to building VR. He's considered one of the fathers of VR, worked for NASA. People who are interested, look him up! University of Washington. Just an incredible, generous figure in XR. He comes to AWE every year. Again, out of retirement to interact with the audience and grow the community. I wanna continue that spirit and I wanna give the big shout-out to The Virtual World Society because they're bringing this technology to the very group of people I'm interested in helping in the CodeReal kinds of projects, right? The startups. Start up the startups and make an ecosystem. And so the Virtual World Society distributes that technology, and I would encourage anyone who listens to this podcast and wants to be a member of that society and make a contribution to get out there and do it.

Nathan C Bowser:

Oh my gosh! Big shout out to everybody over there at Virtual World Society, doing fantastic work! Is there anything that you're looking for? Do you have a call to action for The Glow Up audience? I.

Dr. Diane Bowser:

I do! I want The Glow Up audience to take a look at the ecosystems you're working in. Right now. And look for green field. I want you to look for green field. We're in a very early stage, like the internet is 30 years old, right? Arguably the internet is just becoming an adult. Our field in XR is still at teenager time! And you and I meet in this generative conference environment every year. And so for The Glow Up audience, I want you to look at these companies and look at what they're doing well. Companies like Niantic who have big goals like mapping the world, companies like Snap, who are putting wearables on your face and I wanna see if you can find a place for the things that you care about. The things that you care about! What would you do in that world to show people the things that you care about, the products you care about, the people you care about, the causes you care about. We're gonna need an integrated world that's not just products, it's gonna be products and causes and projects that we do together.

Nathan C Bowser:

I love it! It's all connected!

Dr. Diane Bowser:

My case study and again, I'm gonna draw on AWE, our shared experience is the Women in XR. When you look at the companies that the Women in XR, that's another shout out. I know I got in two orgs!

Nathan C Bowser:

XR Women. Yes! XR Women is amazing!

Dr. Diane Bowser:

But when you look at the companies the members of that organization are designing. They really took that advice, right? They really went to spaces that were underserved and brought services and technology and causes to the table that really need to be addressed. So I just want to shout out and glow up all of these things that are growing up in our industry at the teenage level and let us take them, let us spend the next decade taking them to a mature level.

Nathan C Bowser:

Oh my goodness! One last question is just how can people follow up and learn more if they wanna be connected with the work that you're doing?

Dr. Diane Bowser:

So if they wanna be connected with the work and they're thinking about companies then connect with me through CodeReal.io or LinkedIn. Right? I'm Dr. Diane Bowser on LinkedIn. So I'm really easy to find! CodeReal is CodeReal.io. But again, this isn't just a baseless self-promotion. Lenovo's doing a lot of good work in R&D. And I want people to think about careers in technology and exploring careers that they didn't think were open to them. I want a diverse technology community building the next generation. And I want us to think about how we can help and collaborate and coordinate with each other. So if you wanna find me, I'm easily findable on LinkedIn. I'm findable at Lenovo and at CodeReal.io.

Nathan C Bowser:

Amazing! We'll find Dr. Diane Bowser in the Princess Peach I think pink car when we're playing Mario Kart. Dr. Diane, it has been such a pleasure to chat with you today. I love that we bonded over some very light level things about being Bowsers in XR. But that today we were able to explore such a wide variety of ideas and innovation. And I love this comparison of how small startups and new ideas can grow and take root, and how large corporations are approaching similar ideas. And this thing that you pointed to both of them. That, like helping those organizations remember and live the values that they've already established is like one of those tools that you use in both cases just warms my heart endlessly. And I can't wait to see the next 10 startups you support, working with Millennials and Z's and A's to develop this next generation of entrepreneurs and almost like the personal entrepreneurial layer to the internet. So many big ideas there. Thank you for joining me on The Glow Up. It's been a blast!

Dr. Diane Bowser:

It was my honor to join you. I deeply admire the work that you've done for AWE, and I just wanna give a shout out to that too, because you're very humble and maybe a lot of people wouldn't now, but we met because of all the good work you did there. And we're really creating a community of practitioners, right? So the more of us that wanna grow businesses, this is how we get together in XR and we make money together, right? We figure out our common interests and we figure out who has the good ideas. And with all of our collective experience in this space, I think we can make a big impact over the next decade. I hope it looks better and nothing like it does today. 10 years from now, I hope wearables are just so light, we don't even think about them. Like a pin on my little shawl!

Nathan C Bowser:

Oh, it's gonna be a great future! Especially if the Bowsers have anything to say about it! Dr. Diane Bowser, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much!

Dr. Diane Bowser:

You're welcome! Bye-bye.