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Turning Healthcare Data Into Usable Intelligence & Patient Advocacy - Jennifer Johnson & Brent Dover

• Nathan C Bowser • Season 2 • Episode 5

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From a bootstrap founder using spreadsheets to track her own cancer treatment to a data infrastructure veteran start-up leader uncovering $10-15 billion in hidden healthcare value—this episode of The Tech Glow Up features conversations with two entrepreneurial CEO’s solving what happens when you center patient empowerment and unlock trapped data live from HLTH 2025.

Jennifer Johnson, CEO and founder of JennJ Health and Fitness, has spent 15 years in healthcare operations, strategy, and oncology data analytics. Then she was diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer at 38—a diagnosis that disproportionately affects Black women who are 40% more likely to die from the disease. Advocates for herself, found her own lump, pushed for screening—and survived. 

That diagnosis became her founding insight. She built Fitness Can on a spreadsheet during treatment, combining her data analytics expertise with her lived experience. The app helps breast cancer patients and HRT users track fitness, medications, and appointments with full transparency and agency. 

Brent Dover, CEO of Carta Healthcare, has spent 35 years solving healthcare data problems. He discovered his superpowers early: finding a founder with a great idea at the moment it's taking shape, then scaling it. He's built four companies by knowing exactly where he adds value—the five-to-fifty stage where innovation meets infrastructure. 

His insight: zero-to-five is the bet-it-all visionary; five-to-fifty is the infrastructure builder; fifty-to-five-hundred is the strategist. He's the five-to-fifty guy. Now at Carta, Dover is tackling healthcare's biggest hidden data problem: hospitals spend $10-15 billion annually paying humans to manually abstract data from unstructured clinical notes into quality registries. 

Highlights from Jennifer Johnson at JennJ Health and Fitness:

  • 15 years in healthcare operations, strategy, oncology data analytics; diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer at 38; 40% more likely to die due to being a Black woman
  • Created Fitness Can on spreadsheet during treatment; secured UCSF grant to launch free; now available in Apple Store
  • Spicy take: Women's health is on the rise—clinical trials, studies, innovation, solutions finally moving from afterthought to center stage

Highlights from Brent Dover at Carta Healthcare:

  • 35 years in healthcare data companies; discovered his five-to-fifty scaling superpowers; fourth company he's building from inception
  • Solving $10-15 billion problem: hospitals paying humans to abstract unstructured clinical data into quality registry forms
  • Strategy: AI co-piloted by clinicians validates output, transforming manual tax into structured data for analytics, process improvement, and better patient care

The result: healthcare innovation that centers patient voice and unlocks the data that's been trapped, waiting to improve care.

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Nathan C:

We're gonna clap. So 1, 2, 3. Hello and welcome to the HLTH Tech Glow Up. I'm Nathan C, and today I'm talking with Jennifer Johnson of Gen J Health and Fitness. This is a second time Glow Up appearance, so I'm excited to check in, on what you've been up to. Welcome back to the glow up. Jennifer.

Jennifer Johnson:

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be back

Nathan C:

So let's just start with introductions. for those who might be hearing. About your work, for the first time now, can you introduce, who you are and what you do at JennJ Health and Fitness?

Jennifer Johnson:

Absolutely. So I'm Jennifer Johnson. I'm the CEO and founder of JennJ Health and Fitness, which is a consulting company that's built on the belief that everyone deserves access to healthy equitable care. We launched Fitness Can, it's a fitness app for breast cancer patients to support them with their fitness journey before, during, and after treatment.

Nathan C:

Amazing. Let's talk about you as an innovator. Before we get into some of those updates and others, can you remind us about, what started your. Journey in healthcare

Jennifer Johnson:

Absolutely. So I've always been in healthcare as a career. I probably spent about 15 years of my career, in healthcare operations, strategy, innovation. I spent, a great good time on data and analytics and oncology and love the work I do. It's always been super impactful. my passion to drive equitable care has been driven in everything that I've done. ironically though, I tell people this is my God setup. I spent 15 years in oncology data analytics. And then after I finished with that career and went to tech startups, I was diagnosed with breast cancer and it was a huge blow. But on the other side of that, I'm healthy, happy, and whole. during that time is where, fitness was born on a spreadsheet, but it was born using my, background in healthcare, data analytics.

Nathan C:

So many conversations that I have had at Health this week. Have been about how seeing the data around healthcare inspired founders to start their business, to start their path.

Jennifer Johnson:

Absolutely.

Nathan C:

Do you have a thought about what, working in data and information, like what about that, inspired your journey into entrepreneurism?

Jennifer Johnson:

One, I love data and it's the weirdest thing to say, but I see it like a, I just love it. I love data. More data the better. I love it. So I love data and as I was going through treatment, It was therapeutic for me in a way'cause I was building it on my own because fitness data. Putting in my own chemo radiation treatments and updating and tracking myself, making charts and graphs and that was therapeutic for me. But I also went into that knowing that, one, I was privileged and knowing the information, I knew where to find clinical trial data. I knew where to get the assistance I needed for my own treatment. And that's a privilege. Most people don't have that, right? No, most people don't understand it. They don't have it. I knew that I had to. Take this in this package in a way where I can give it back to the world because everyone should have access to all the things. Even being, I was diagnosed at the age of 38 with triple negative breast cancer. And for someone who has spent so much of my career analyzing data in oncology, I was surprised to find out that as a black woman I was 40% more likely to die from breast cancer. just because I was a black woman. Not a lot of data. And so a lot of it had to do with, the fact that we're diagnosed later. I diagnosed, I found my own lump. I advocated for myself to get a mammogram even though I wasn't recommended. So I was 40, but if I would've waited till I was 40, I might not be here talking today. The data, just like Dr. Drove me to, Hey, there's a bunch of different issues I see here that need to be tackled and we, I can't tackle them all, obviously, but what can I do? So what I can do is I can build something to help other patients like myself, track their data. Be empowered to know this is, your body and your treatment and this is your journey. So make it work for you and have the data in the inside. To drive those decisions.

Nathan C:

I, I'm just gonna give that a little bit of space that I so appreciate that. And there's this like really interesting comparison that I'm balancing in my brain where so many of I've talked to so many, like really consumer, patient. Focused product leaders. And often what they talk about is like we have to meet our patients where they're at. We need to talk with them in their own words. We need to meet them in the channels that they're at. And this journey that you're describing is their wildest dream because you are starting the innovation where you are at. Like it's in your, you're translating all of that healthcare information that you know where to find it. And you're bringing it in to your own spreadsheet. Yes. To your own organization, your own notes. And that idea that like patient centered care doesn't have to like eventually make it there, but like the innovation. Can actually start, right? Like with the patient, with a specific diagnosis, with a specific, like I just, there's an elegance to being at the beginning of the problem. The patient is at the beginning of the problem rather than you have a tech, so often in Silicon Valley there's a tech solution and then you go searching Exactly. For the client. Yes. And I just love how, this thing, that these giant leaders that you see on stage. Are like advocating for and sharing is their message is like your lived experience? Yes. so you teased at the top of the show, I believe the last time you were on the glow. You were just starting the journey with the Fitness Can app. Yes. And taking that data, those frameworks, those connections and resources that you've been built. And you're starting to develop that into the Fitness Can app?

Jennifer Johnson:

Yes.

Nathan C:

People love. To know how people's glow ups have gone. Can you report back about what you've been up to? how did your glow up go?

Jennifer Johnson:

Absolutely. One other thing I spoke about, during that episode was one of the hurdles I had and it was around funding. Because I was, at the, like a bootstrap founder and by Bootstrap like my husband's paying for everything. So I was like, okay, I need to really figure out how to fund this. That was like my biggest hurdle. So I struggled with it.'cause I really felt this is what God wanted me to do. This is what I feel like I have to do, but I don't have the resources to do it. I did what I could do with the knowledge that I have, the network that I have as far as building it out, designing, getting the frameworks and things like that. following, health last year. I was able to connect with UCSF and they gave me a grant to not only launch this app, but launch it in a way where I could provide it for free to patients. Isn't that amazing?

Nathan C:

That's so amazing.

Jennifer Johnson:

Absolutely amazing.

Nathan C:

If I remember correctly, that was like one of the big goals. Yes, absolutely. And part of what was driving, the way you were building the model for fitness was specifically so that people in need could have access And feel good about who they were sharing their data with.

Jennifer Johnson:

Absolutely. And I was like, so maybe someone over there heard. I don't know. But, the, it definitely like universal line with me that, with that. And, so they were very instrumental in helping me to get it launched. It is now available in the Apple store. Love it. Love it. Later this year, we got, another great thing coming out as well. So really excited for this work and, the fact that not only is it available, that it's available to everyone. And so in addition to, it being a great solution for breast cancer patients. It's also a great solution for women on HRT hormone replacement therapy.'cause those are very similar to some of the meds you get before during, or even after breast cancer treatment. For women on HRT, using the model to track your fitness and your HRT will be very helpful. So pretty much anyone can use the app, but, it's very supportive for those. In those spaces. I encourage people to download it, use it, and I would love to hear more feedback from patients about it.

Nathan C:

data nerd to now be collecting your own customer data has gotta feel pretty good.

Jennifer Johnson:

It feels so good.

Nathan C:

You mentioned that fitness can, is. Is targeted right now for breast cancer. Are other, are women with other cancers, is the tool also supportive and helpful for

Jennifer Johnson:

Right now it is supportive for any. One. Who has a heart, that beats and is also track to Apple Health, basically. But, and I say that because the way it is designed, and this was linked to UCSF, the way it is designed is, it integrates with your Apple Health, but. you can type in the medication or whatever you're taking yourself. For instance, by the grace of God, I'm not taking any meds, but I do take vitamin D and I have that in there and I have a reminder to remind me so I can manually put that in there. Got it. so I encourage folks. Anyone who wants to track.

Nathan C:

you're tracking your fitness, your medications Appointments,

Jennifer Johnson:

your fitness

Nathan C:

scan is a great place.

Jennifer Johnson:

a great place for you.

Nathan C:

thank you.

Jennifer Johnson:

Yeah.

Nathan C:

I love it. Amazing. Thank you for that. And congratulations. Thank you. It's it's amazing what a year can make. When an entrepreneur puts the time in. and man, have you been hustling? I love to see it. Let's take it back to the industry level a little bit. I've been asking everybody what, what blow up, what major improvement they want to see in the healthcare, health technology space. In the next six months to a year. what's the challenge you have for this industry?

Jennifer Johnson:

I have said this, and I will continue to say access. Access, access, access. Every level. Access. Every level. Access. whether it's, in a rural community, having access to care when you need it, from a payer perspective, having access to care regardless of your income level, whether it's education, having access to the care you need, information on diagnosis, or. even preventative measures. access is the key to a healthy future.

Nathan C:

I think that might be the stinger at the top access. Access. Access. Amazing. Okay. Bring it back down to JennJ Health and Fitness. And fitness can, what's the glow up you're working on for your own business in the next six months?

Jennifer Johnson:

So the next. Six months. The focus is that target population on the app, the, breast cancer patient or HRT user that also wants track fitness. So getting more engagement on the app, inviting other folks to join in and, really building that community up. Is like one of the key goals for the next season. That's my main focus, but I'm also super excited in partnership with Johnson and Johnson I will be, working on a project called Under 40. a Couple episodes of women talking about diagnosis under the age of 40. like I mentioned myself, I was also diagnosed, but just the different nuances of that. And there's so many, how did you even get to that point? Preventative. Where you at now? So there's so many discussions. It is a lot.

Nathan C:

Are you a guest or a host on that show? A host Jennifer Johnson.

Jennifer Johnson:

know about that part,

Nathan C:

there'll healthcare influencer.

Jennifer Johnson:

We'll see. there's gonna be six episodes. Johnson is a, huge partner, healthy Voices. they're really supportive, so I'm excited to have the conversations and just speak to women of color, that have been through this journey there's women and lucky for me, I already have kids I didn't want anymore, but some women are just going into that journey. And having to also be diagnosed or having young kids at home and or being pushed through menopause, and you weren't ready for that and you didn't even know what it meant. So there's so many different conversations around it. dating or marriage and sex and all the different things and breast cancer at the same time. Is a lot. And having that space to talk to these women and just, we're just talking. We're not, yeah, we're not solving anything. we're just healing each other through talking about it and joining in the conversation

Nathan C:

so often, right? Like one of the biggest values that like a network or a mentor can provide is access. To interesting people and conversations that can move a founder forward, and I love that this partnership is giving you access to all of those voices.

Jennifer Johnson:

I love that.

Nathan C:

Yeah,

Jennifer Johnson:

Thank you so much and you have also been a huge influence for me. Honestly, I just absolutely love. what you do. I love seeing posts and all the different founders on there and they're glow up it's such a great thing. before my experience, working with you, which has been great. I never thought about yeah, I can host a conversation, you make it look so easy. I know it's not, but you make it look easy. I know it's not, but I'm really excited to be at a. Have a, it won't be, as robust as yours. A couple conversations. But I'm excited about it.

Nathan C:

on these conversations, we use this topic of mentors and heroes as a way to dive into. How important in a founder in an entrepreneur's journey just having one person say, Hey, I believe you keep going. That can be one of the most valuable moments. Absolutely. And I totally you got this. Aw, thank you. So keep going. Alright, so we got through the glow ups, actually, mentors and heroes is the next question. Right?

Jennifer Johnson:

Awesome.

Nathan C:

theme of the HLTH event is Heroes and Legends. I'm using that to ask people about how mentors heroes, and legends in the space have, impacted your journey.

Jennifer Johnson:

Has been a huge impact of my journey, and I would say throughout my entire career, having mentors, champions, heroes, like you said, legends who've done it before have really been inspirational, you can't be what you can't see. So it's oh, I could see this person doing it. So it is been really great for me. and there's so many, even here at this conference, almost everyone you speak to, it's like they're doing heroic things. They've done heroic things, and it's wow. And there's so many great, everyone has a story. And just hearing the perseverance and this, the zero to 100. And like you said, sometimes it's just that one person that says, yeah, I believe you can do it. You should go ahead and do it. Especially, as a founder, as a human, sometimes you like, I don't know. What, am I doing this right? should I be doing this? gimme direction, gimme God, I need something. and for me, it's always come at the right time, right? When I'm like, I don't know, I'll get you know what? Yes, you should be doing extra. I'm like, thank you for the confirmation.

Nathan C:

Good timing also goes hand in hand with like very good intuition. Yes. Yes it does. I think you're building good things for yourself. you are so right though, and I have to just like tag, right? Being at the health conference there is such, an amazing focus and. Support for people who have been in the medical industry, patients, yes. informaticists, who are trying to make a contribution. Yes. Like the number of times that I've been in a room with Jennifer, who's introduced herself and said, oh, I'm in I'm a founder, I've got a background in oncology. People will stop talking to me because they're like, oh, we're having like a healthcare conversation over here. People find their people. It's just amazing to watch. Yeah. Okay. one last question actually. And it's totally optional. Do you have a spicy healthcare hot take?

Jennifer Johnson:

A spicy healthcare hot take? I would say For sure.

Nathan C:

Sure.

Jennifer Johnson:

Women's health is on the rise, and I'm so thankful for it. Talk about heroes. I've heard on so many stages, in so many rooms of all the talk on just support on every stage of a woman's life. I'm talking about from adolescence all the way through menopause, like having that direct care, the clinical trials, the studies, the innovation. The solutions that have typically been an afterthought. It's been so energizing for me just to see it and it's the future is now, like it's happening. There's discussions, there's, there are many pitches and I'm not sure if you made the women's health startup pitch, but every company I was like yes, we need you. It was amazing. I'm excited to see what's next in this industry.

Nathan C:

Women's health is on the rise

Jennifer Johnson:

Amazing.

Nathan C:

Jennifer Johnson, gen J Health and Fitness. Founder of the Fitness Can App. It's two time Glow Up participant, thank you so much for joining me again.

Jennifer Johnson:

Thank you for having me can't wait for the next one.

Nathan C:

wait to check in. We've got one last thing. Yes. We're gonna clap it out.

Jennifer Johnson:

Okay.

Nathan C:

You ready? 1, 1, 2, 3. Amazing. Thank you. Awesome.

Jennifer Johnson:

Thank you.

Nathan C:

Okay. So 1, 2, 3. Awesome. Hi, and welcome to the HLTH Tech Glow Up. I'm Nathan C and today I'm talking with Brent Dover of Carta Healthcare. Brent, thank you so much for joining me today,

Brent Dover:

Nathan. I'm so excited to talk. Thank you, Nathan. I'm pleased to be here.

Nathan C:

Amazing. First things first coming to a giant health technology event means that the first days are filled with introductions. So can you start us off and introduce yourself and the work that you do at Carta Healthcarecare sure. Like you said, I'm Brent Dover. I've been in the industry for about 35 years. And I started off working in a really big company in laboratory Information Systems, which in 19 93, 4 5 was the first part of healthcare clinical technology to really get automated Oh, yep. In the laboratory of all things. Yeah. And you have a lot of control. Yeah. You got a lot going on there. And our industry is just. Dramatically expanded ever since, obviously. Anyway, so I've been in the industry a really long time and my sweet spot is I love finding a founder who's got a really good idea and their idea is starting to take shape, but they need some help really growing that company. Carta is the fourth such company that I've been a part of. Okay.

Brent Dover:

Yeah.

Nathan C:

That like finding a good idea and shepherding those into successful companies couldn't be how you started as an entrepreneur. That's like a gift that. Somebody who's done it a few times Can you talk about the inspiration that got you excited to, to start technologies and companies? Yeah, you bet.

Brent Dover:

I guess it's always just wanting to solve whatever the next problem is, and once a company gets big enough to a certain stage. For me, my skillset is not quite as strong though, if we're being honest about it. I went to a conference one time and I was told by a semi-famous investor, Hey, there's zero to five people, there's five to 50 people, and there's 50 to 500 people. And in the growth of a company that could be millions of dollars of revenue, it could be number of customers, it could be number of employees. It's just magnitude. Yeah. And do you mind if I talk a little bit more about that? No, I'm, I have follows up. That's the only reason. Yeah. So what's a zero to five? Zero to five Is the idea person, somebody who's willing to like, bet it all to mortgage their home to take incredible chances on this idea that they're super passionate about? That's not me. Five to 50 guy is I took that big chance. Somebody took that big chance, they got a company and now we need to figure out how do we scale? How do we like? The innovator is oftentimes not the grower, the procedure builder. The infrastructure enabler. For whatever reason, and I learned this about myself, that's who I am, but I'm also not the 50 to 500 guy who's the 50 to 500 guy. That's the person who's like figuring out, Hey, I need a three year strategic plan. I'd rather figure out what are we gonna do in the next three months? How are we really gonna make stuff happen? So just over time, I just figured out that's who I am.

Nathan C:

I love that. I'm curious, most CEOs aren't. Typically known to be the kind of persona who hears a piece of advice. And the way this was framed to you I think was very generous, right? Hey, there's three, which are you? But when that idea of are you at the right level for where your passions, skills and experience are was brought up So I'm jumping ahead and apologies for, because you were, you're on such a great role, but how you organize to even share that same understanding of the customer. When you're beyond a couple dozen people, I like, I often talk about 30 to 130 as like the Silicon Valley, like major pain point.'cause you're growing so fast you don't realize you've left your team behind and that's often where. A founder might figure out that they're not at the right stage anymore. So how in that like very fast tumultuous builds do row, do you also make time to center the customer and to build that culture where people can think like brands?

Brent Dover:

Okay. It came out of frustration over the years. Yeah. It's like I just found. Marketing people would only think like marketing salespeople would only think like selling. Implementers would only think like implementers. And I remember talking to one of our teams at a time like, Hey, what part of the helicopter do you not want to work? Like it all has to work together in order for the helicopter to fly. And so when you're in a company with 40 employees or 80 employees, you have to motivate everybody to care. Yes, about what they're hired to do, but then you have to teach them, it doesn't matter if everybody else isn't succeeding at their job. And mostly the reason why everybody else can't succeed at their job is because we break down communication. And mostly why that happens is companies create personal. Or departmental incentive plans as opposed to companywide incentive plans. We can go on a long run about this, but this is very counterculture,

Nathan C:

so this is like sales gets incentivized for doing a selling task, selling and forgetting market.

Brent Dover:

Oh, hold on. Let's talk about sales. I sold it. I booked it. I sold it. But you know what? I didn't really tell them all the truth, and I set my implementation team up for. Failure. That is a fireable offense. You did not do a great job. If the sale is not done in a way that our customers are actually gonna be successful.

Nathan C:

You gotta be thinking like Brent and get that convert.

Brent Dover:

More importantly, why don't we build, yeah. You gotta be thinking like the executive team, like we need a 10, 20 year relationship. With this hospital customer, and it starts on day one, and then it works on implementation and it goes through customer success and support, and the next product rollouts. It all has to come together. And how do you do that? You incentivize everybody on the growth of the company together. Like it literally has to be. We're an in it together mentality and compensation structure, which is very, I've just learned over the years lot. Not a lot of people really agree with me on this topic, but that's how it goes. But have all of those people launched as many companies I would say. My model breaks down a little bit once you get to be a really big company. Fair. Like it has to change. Yeah. But how do you get from leader, founder led company to scaling company? You have to have everybody in the boat rolling together, communicating, and you can't have internal. Cross culture, that's what kills mid- stage companies

Nathan C:

all the time. We talk about silos like within the industry of pharma's not talking to providers isn't talking, but Right. Like it happens within a product org or within a go-to market team. Absolutely does. Goodness, Brent, we could talk forever. This is like one of my favorite topics. Okay. And like your perspective, I would say is fairly notable. Like it's not common, correct, that somebody has both has that perspective and the experience of doing it a few times. So I so appreciate. If I have to get back to script, the name of the show is The Health Tech Glow Up And a glow up is a notable revitalization, a rebirth, a transformation. So starting at like the industry level, what's a transformation or a glow up that you are looking for from the health tech and health It. space.

Brent Dover:

I can tell you what's super motivating for me at the moment. Yeah. And why I'm in this company. Is that okay? Yep. Perfect. My entire career has been in data related companies, healthcare, data related companies. It's

Nathan C:

a good time for that.

Brent Dover:

It's been an amazing run.

Nathan C:

Yeah. That's to your earlier point, right? About are we actually solving the problems that matter? And if you spent the first several portions of your career solving the easy part, now there's that 65% that you can go after. Yeah. Which is really where your customers are already struggling. They really are so much. What a fantastic victory lap to be in. If we can get there, we gotta get there. So you've totally led into the question which is next, which is taking that idea of a glow up, how are you looking to have some sort of audaciously fantastic transformation or success in the next six months?

Brent Dover:

Great question. So we thought, four years ago, hey, we should build some AI technology that reads through all this unstructured data and turns into the structured data. This is four years ago. 1200 days. There's no way to do that without a person babysitting the technology. I don't care how good the technology is. Babysitting's really not the right word, but let's call it co-piloting the technology making sure. So we went out, we built all these technologies to go read through unstructured notes and turn it into structured data at scale. You couldn't really get it over 40, 50, 60% accurate. Not good enough in healthcare, not even close. So this got us to say how can we solve a real problem in healthcare while we're. Delivering a great ROI for our customers, and we're being paid to have a human in the loop validating our AI, and this is what got us into the registry world. Okay. Hospitals, are you familiar with registries? Hospitals have a huge, I call it a tax on their system. It's a great tax. I'm glad they're paying the tax, but the taxes, you gotta fill out all these quality registries for the greater good. That have had a huge impact on the quality of care in our country. But what happens?

Nathan C:

Some standardized data, if you will,

Brent Dover:

some standardized data. Yeah. What happens? It's a human being today manually logged in on the left side of their screen. Filling out a form and on the right side of their screen, they're in Epic, they're in Cerner, they're digging through a patient's medical record, abstracting the unstructured data into the form on the left side. So if we could build an AI tool that is assisting those people doing that job, and if. Those people can then tell us when our technology is prompting the right answer or the wrong answer. We can have oversight. We can get incredible levels of accuracy, and we can build a systemic solution that has been checked. By people who have been doing this type of work anyway for the last 20 or 30 years, manual data abstraction. And we can solve a really huge problem. That's what we're after. And we're doing this on the backs of, let's get started somewhere real. How do we bring a whole bunch of AI assistance to the process of clinical data registries? Yeah. And that's where we're starting.

Nathan C:

Amazing. Ah.

Brent Dover:

Oh, can I say one more thing?

Nathan C:

The with the prompt like that? Yes. So

Brent Dover:

hospitals in this country today are spending 10 to$15 billion a year paying human beings to do chart abstraction. For quality registry data capture. So they're already paying for this kind of work. They're paying a lot of money and the demands on hospitals are only increasing to fill out more forms. To do more chart abstraction, more rebates, and those are people who are being, need to be clinical. And they're being taken off the front lines of care and they're doing an important role. But shouldn't we be doing something more of it? The taxes, I'm paying 10 to 15 billion and all I'm doing is filling out a form. The strategic asset that we're trying to turn it all into is, Hey, let's do that. And then we've got. Previously unstructured data, it's now structured data. It can be fed into your data warehouse. It can be fed into your analytics infrastructure. It can be fed into your process improvement initiatives, and you can have access to huge amounts of data that has always been trapped and hidden away from you. That's what I'm super passionate about.

Nathan C:

Oh my gosh. As somebody, it's not the same world, but as somebody who's building forms and then fighting to structure and manage and process that data in my own very nons saving lives kind of way. Like I got excited about what you're doing for data and automation, we're so close to the end. The name of the the theme of the HTLH conference this year is Heroes and Legends, and you already alluded to it, so I'm curious is there, I have seen that. Almost every entrepreneur has one, if not one dozen mentors, advisors, coaches, leaders who have stepped up and at one point or another said, I think you can do this. Keep going. I'm curious, how has a mentor impacted your journey or a hero impacted your journey in health? It.

Brent Dover:

I am gonna answer your question slightly differently. I love it and I'm gonna give the answer of and it gets me a little choked up. But I just have an incredible appreciation for doctors and nurses, and I see the burden that they're under, the administrative burden that they're under. And I know how soul crushing it is for so many of them. That's okay. And throughout my career, I've been in this spot where those doctors and nurses have taken data that have come from our systems that we've built, and they've improved their processes. They've delivered better care. They've had their burden lightened just a little bit, and those people inspire me endlessly, right? To try and help figure out this next stage. Can we build a great company and be very profitable and do all those things? Sure. But is it for some kind of greater good? Absolutely. That's what my motivation is. And over the years, those doctors and nurses have told me their stories. About how data has impacted their ability to improve patient care. And it's just fuel. It's just a never ending source of fuel for me.

Nathan C:

Oh my gosh, Brent I have. So many more questions because this is exactly my favorite conversation. But you're so we have to leave it there. That's a fantastic ending. Okay. Thank you for joining me on the HLTH Tech Glow Up. And we've got one more thing to do. We're gonna clap it out. Yeah, we are. Okay, here we go. 1, 2, 3.