Faith v. Religion
Jeff and Tracy cover a variety of Biblical topics from a believer's perspective. They are not pastors, theologians, or clergy instead they share their personal experiences with The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit through His revelation to them. Jeff and Tracy believe one does not need an intercessor to have access to our Heavenly Father, simply belief in Jesus Christ of Nazareth who came in the flesh, the Messiah.
Faith v. Religion
Faith, Guidance, and Spiritual Liberation: Embracing Personal Growth and Overcoming Generational Struggles
Can faith truly overcome the deepest struggles and generational patterns we face? Join us on this episode of Faith vs Religion as we embark on a transformative journey, exploring the delicate balance between offering guidance and surrendering to the divine. We start with a heartfelt prayer, seeking protection and wisdom for ourselves and our listeners. Through candid discussions, we delve into the complexities of supporting those grappling with personal issues like alcoholism or homosexuality. Our conversation emphasizes the power of prayer and discernment, and the significance of simply being there for someone who may not yet be ready to embrace change.
Navigating the path to genuine spiritual growth can be challenging, especially when superficial routines overshadow true transformation. We tackle the importance of overcoming deep-rooted sinful patterns, highlighting how spiritual deliverance, persistent prayer, and sincere engagement with scripture can pave the way to liberation. Our discussions shed light on breaking generational curses, such as child abuse and promiscuity, and the necessity of biblical repentance and humility. Acknowledging the universal nature of sin, we stress that no transgression is greater than another, advocating for a humble approach in our spiritual journeys.
Is there a one-size-fits-all approach to spiritual deliverance? We argue against that notion, underscoring the critical need for discernment and a personalized path to spiritual freedom. By distinguishing genuine guidance from deception, we warn against mass deliverances that often lack personal care and follow-up. Our dialogue champions an intimate approach, where deep relationships with Christ and individualized care play paramount roles. As we explore the profound benefits of overcoming generational curses through deliverance, we reflect on the significant personal growth and liberation that accompany a true commitment to faith. Join us as we continue this inspiring exploration of spiritual discovery and empowerment.
Hi everybody and welcome back to Faith vs Relief.
Speaker 2:Take me broken, hi, everybody, and welcome back to Faith vs Religion with Jeff and Tracy. We're ready to get started here. Let's open up.
Speaker 2:Heavenly Father. We humbly come to you and ask for your forgiveness as we fall short of your glory, simply by nature. You are our creator and leader. We know your will and your ways are perfect and beyond our comprehension. We accept your path as we walk, by faith and not by sight.
Speaker 2:We ask that you give a spiritual word to deliver to whoever may hear this podcast, and may it resonate with those in need. You are the potter and we are just the clay. We ask that you mold us into your perfect being you envisioned for us upon creation. We ask that you empty our hearts of predetermined notions, judgments and fleshly arrogance to fill it with your grace, mercy, love and discernment. No weapon formed against us shall prosper. If you are for us, who can be against us? Your word does not return to you void.
Speaker 2:We ask that you deliver us from the hands of evil and lead us not into temptation. Your words tell us that you will not let any temptation be greater than we can handle and you'll always provide an out for us. We must seek you. You are the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to you but through your Son, jesus Christ of Nazareth, who came in the flesh, the Messiah. Heavenly Father, we bind and cast out anything demonic, satanic or otherwise that is not from you into the lake of fire. In the name of Jesus Christ, who came in the flesh, the Messiah, we declare and decree that your mighty works be unleashed over us in this podcast and let your message reach all nations. In the name of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:Lord, we just praise and thank you for your mercy and grace. Lord, we just ask that you bless us in this hour. Father, we ask that you click any sound waves that the enemy is trying to penetrate and, father God, that the frequencies of sound waves that you are going to use bless others. Lord, we ask for a conduit for smooth communication and let no interference come from the enemy. No hindrance. Father, we just thank you that you are going to be present and we invite you into this hour and we ask that you just flood us today In Jesus' name, amen, amen.
Speaker 2:Okay. So you know what I was thinking the other day, like, how many times do people come to us and they're all like you know they want to be. They ask for their to pray for them. They ask for us to help them, they ask for their to pray for them. They ask for us to help them. Or they have a question how did you get such and such happen in your life free from alcoholism or whatever it may be? The answer is that I can't help you with that. All I can do. I can't help you with it, but I can do it for you, I guess, is what I'm saying. I can tell you how I did it, and it's all by the power of God, it's all by the power of Jesus Christ, who came to the world to heal us. And are you willing to surrender to him or you're not? If you're not, then I can't help you with anything I mean, and that's really what it comes down to. So how do you handle something that, when you know you have someone that's struggling, you clearly see it they ask you every day for your advice, like Mercy?
Speaker 2:I've got a friend of mine and she will call me all the time and there's probably going to hear this and tell me not call me, but anyways. But here's the answer. You're solving your problem. Yeah, I'm solving my your problem. Yeah, I'm solving my own problem. I'm still calling you. Yeah, yeah, but you know how the um they, they struggle with homosexuality and they want to be delivered from it, but they really don't, because they continue to sleep with their other friend's wife. So it's, I probably just told a secret and maybe I shouldn't have done that. Well, you know what I prayed about it, so I'm saying it. Anyways, that is not me, but go ahead, yeah, yeah, I mean, the answer seems pretty simple Quit sleeping with her.
Speaker 3:But it's the lust of the enemy, it's the spirituality that's holding her back. It has nothing to do with the flesh in this moment, because the spirituality is what the flesh has fed the spirit to the degree that the spirit's stronger than the flesh at this point, and if mentally they want to, they don't have the ability.
Speaker 2:Well, Without being delivered, without God.
Speaker 3:But here's the thing you have to confess yes, and they don't want to do that. They don't want the ramifications of the confession.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because they could, they lose, yeah, and so the point, like I always say, like okay, so my answer is you need a full-blown deliverance and you need it all cast out of you because you and you need a directive, spiritual fence, and I can see all this stuff that is gonna go completely, goes over her head and it's not even in the realm because they're not even that level of a believer. So what do you do? Pearls upon spine, yeah, I cast in pearls upon swine. What do you? What do you do with the person that you know needs a full-blown deliverance? The person they're not even talking to you. It's the demon talking to you. How do you handle that?
Speaker 3:First and foremost, you have to pray. You have to pray yourself up, you have to ask the Lord to reveal to you, because sometimes you're just supposed to listen, because you've never had anyone to listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Sometimes you're supposed to give correction because they don't find correction in their parent. It just depends on every situation, so you have to ask the Lord for their guidance. Through that, what I have found is you can't give them advice. You have to just tell them where you're at and the correction that you've received and how you allowed it, and leave it as that, as a nugget, and move on.
Speaker 2:Would you think that you have to go into because you and I could talk about something that I could say to you gosh, where that sounds like something that sounds like a generational person that's been inherited, or I'll use an example to like that. There was a gentleman that was concerned about his child being sexually active at five years old and acting out some of these things and couldn't understand it and wanted the child to be prayed for and thought the child needed to be delivered from a demon.
Speaker 3:That's someone else's sin. Why that child?
Speaker 2:is in that position. Absolutely so you and I could understand that. Absolutely so, you and I could understand that. So whenever it was explained to the dad say hey, it's coming from you.
Speaker 3:It's you or the mom, yeah.
Speaker 2:Or come to find out. Or your bloodline yeah. And a similar example. I used to work with a gentleman that was concerned about his son being gay and didn't know where it came from. And come to find out through talking. He would watch gay pornography, so he brought it into the home and it's just the devil.
Speaker 3:But he fed it. He didn't just bring it in, he fed it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so I could say to you it's a spiritual, it's a generational curse. But a believer that's not to that level. They wouldn't receive that. So if you start all the way over and start just laying a firm foundation and telling them how crazy that you really are and that these generational curses that come about they're in the Bible, so really not crazy. But people say you're crazy.
Speaker 3:Let's talk about it. Even when you thought I was crazy, you were drawn to me to talk. Yeah, yeah, I was open to it. Yeah, I was curious about it, even when you thought I was crazy.
Speaker 2:You were drawn to me to talk. Yeah, yeah, I was open to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was curious about it, so he will use whatever he's going to use. So I think that's part of the prayer too. Is Lord, I'm a vessel, use me as you see fit. I mean, sometimes the Lord talked about things very relatively, so I pray up in the morning. So rarely does the lord tell me. Stop talking about that, like if I'm going into something that like, he allows our communication to be pretty free, yeah, like, but it always draws back to him so it doesn't matter, and he uses each other to correct at times so we can have open dialogue. Yes, so we have to pray before we speak to someone, because they don't have the ability to, they don't understand God's correction and they're not listening for him.
Speaker 3:yet so, it's where the responsibility is on you. You pray and then you just have to accept that. People are going to you're doing god's work, they're going to chastise you, they're going to call you crazy and all that.
Speaker 2:All you can do is give them the raw truth, and it's god's responsibility to word it out I mean, yeah, and they have to, and if they really want to do it, they have to remove those barriers of either, like you know, alcoholism or or if there's anything else out that's out there. That's that's prohibiting them from receiving that, though the word, what, the message?
Speaker 3:but they know why, yeah, they're doing what they're doing.
Speaker 2:And if they know why, then there's a problem because, face it, if you talk about tell somebody they need to be delivered, they're automatically crazy and then so and then.
Speaker 3:But then they'll well, what does that look like? And as soon as you start telling them what it looks like, it's too difficult, they don't want it Right? So you know they're not ready.
Speaker 2:And that happens to a lot of people that just go to church and that's superficial, very superficial. And then the church doesn't want to scare them off. For whatever the reasons are, I mean, we can say what they are. I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that, so they don't want to scare them off. And then the next thing, you know like they're dressing like the pastor's wife.
Speaker 3:you know they're they morph into whatever they think they want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then they start.
Speaker 3:It's that. Fake it till you, make it crap.
Speaker 2:That's exactly right, and I don't understand why. But the hard part is, I guess, getting them to understand.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's the age old lesson that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. And in order to get rid of deep, deep sin and sinful patterns, you need deliverance. It's in the Bible. We talked about it over and over. I'm not saying that you need to be tackled and kicked in the belly and held down by 45 people while somebody tries to loose a demon from you. I'm not saying that. And you don't have to throw up and you don't have to. You know, do all this craziness and jump around and be churned out in the movie theater.
Speaker 3:Or slither around like us.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Or squirm around on the floor, flop around, pee your pants and do all that stuff. All that's just for show, for show. It's theater. But you can be delivered through prayer. You can be delivered through the works of God. You can be delivered through the works of God. You can be delivered through the blood of Jesus. But it takes work on your part. One you have to believe it. Two you have to get into the word and you have to, like it or not, you have to read the Bible.
Speaker 3:You can't just Some people can't read the Bible yet If they haven't been delivered. Some people can't read the Bible yet what's within them is not allowing it. Yeah well, that is true. So here's the thing If you are putting forth the effort and can't, it's validation. There's something there I think I'm going to tell you right now. I used to not be able to listen to the Bible without it putting me to sleep every time, but that was what was within me, and whatever that looks like.
Speaker 2:But and you have to stop giving the. You have to acknowledge that the enemy is present in your life and you have to stop allowing giving him authority to come in and wreak havoc as well, and that habit of what you're trying to free yourself from.
Speaker 3:Okay, and I'm going to give you an example Nine times out of 10, the initial sin was not your sin. The initial sin was somebody else's sin, and so that allowed the enemy in the initial sin. Allowed the enemy in it, did it's not until you started sinning and you have to acknowledge your part in the sin. For him to start working, you have to repent of that portion of the sin, yeah, and then, once you repent of that portion of this, and then he can go deeper to the initial sin, to start uprooting and pulling things out because you can use child abuse as an example, like like you hear people saying, I broke the generational curse of child abuse in my family.
Speaker 2:Just because they don't beat their child doesn't mean that they've broken the curse, because if they haven't done it biblically, then I'm really broken the curse. They just passed it down and it's not within the generation, yeah, it's just within the child. Now, so to see if that curse is really broken, you would have to see does your children or children's children act that out? But that's not how it goes. You have to break it biblically and that is by acknowledging that the enemy was ways within. It's the worst of the enemy and it's inherited, you know, passed down from generation to generation. You have to break it biblically. Went through the blood of Jesus is the only way you can do it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but ultimately okay. And that's another thing. Like, for instance, I was sexually abused as a child. The initial sin was not my sin Right, but the pro-asciuity and things of that nature that was my sin. So I had to repent of my partaking in the sin when it became my decision to partake in it. Whether I was making the decision consciously or not, I still partook in it. I allowed my body to go through it, knowing right from wrong.
Speaker 2:And that's not any different than homosexuality, because sexual abuse stems from two things Either somebody will act out sexually from two things Like either somebody will act out homosexual sexually or they'll act out, you know, just being very promiscuous with the same, with the same sex, or not with the same sex, but in an heterosexual relationship. So, yeah, I mean that's, it's wild, so you have to, but that's the difference between being in bondage and being free. If you truly want to be free from the bondage and live in freedom, you have to come, you have to surrender it to the lord and it takes and you may not understand that, you may not. How do I know if it's a generational curse? How do I know there wasn't my sin or anything else? That's where working through it comes through and that's where and he always reveals it, he'll reveal it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're absolutely right. Once you start on this and you kind of rid yourself of the pride, you kind of, you know, get rid of the pride, get into a home. Uh, it's humility, humility. Get into a state of humility, if you will, and just realize we're all with sin and it's, and that's why you know, like the word tells us, that no sin is greater than the other. For that very reason Is that we all sin.
Speaker 2:Now this is where we all like to say, well, I didn't murder anybody, it doesn't matter, it's sin. He looks at all sin the same way. And that is why you have to just humble yourself, get into a state of humility, get rid of the pride, repent, repent. Understand the difference between rebellion and submission, because it's not conditional, it's 100%, and that's the way that it is. And then you can be delivered from it and he will reveal those generational curses, whether it's a generational curse, whether it's just whatever it is.
Speaker 2:And then you can be delivered from it and he will reveal those generational curses, whether it's a generational curse, whether it's just whatever it is, but there comes a point in your life, no matter and we hear this a lot, especially from inner city guidance counselors and everything else. But it's true and it's biblical. If you'll jump into it, it doesn't matter where you come from, it doesn't matter what your sins are. If you will acknowledge those and understand and choose your response going forward, you'll be saved. But you have to surrender, you have to repent, you have to ask for the salvation. Salvation is free. You know you have to open the door. God is always knocking. He's a gentleman, he's patient, he's waiting for you to open the door and then he will reveal something to you that only you can understand. And that's what gets you down that road of belief and that's how you seek that personal relationship with him.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what Christianity is versus, you know, versus the false religion of Islam or the false craziness of Mormonism or anything else. Christianity is a relationship one-on-one with our Lord and Savior, jesus Christ. It's found in the Holy Bible, not in the Book of Mormon, not in the Catholic Bible. It doesn't have to be rewritten to appease anybody. It doesn't have to be rewritten to accommodate any legalistic or hypocrisy, like a lot of people say and that's where you know those words come back to.
Speaker 2:The Christian faith is that everybody is a hypocrite, and it's not true that I mean there's people that are hypocrites, don't get me wrong, but I'm not saying that everybody's not a hypocrite. We are just with sin and can't do this without the Lord, and you have to do that. You have to acknowledge that every day, that that is happening and that you can't do it without him. So, getting back to the original question was how do you get somebody to deliver, help somebody through deliverance or get delivered that doesn't want it? And the answer is you can't do it. So then you have to use the discernment of your heart and, with the guidance of the Lord, to know when to end the relationship or set boundaries on the relationship so it doesn't bring chaos into your own life or set boundaries on the relationship. So it doesn't bring chaos into your own life, because that's how the enemy you have to understand. The enemy works that way whenever.
Speaker 3:Well, he'll send distractions your way To you when you're saying yeah, to keep you off.
Speaker 2:And to keep you from being in the word and fulfilling and fulfilling it and fellowshipping with him. He'll sidetrack you with these friends that don't want to be delivered but act like they seek deliverance, or that are welcome to prayer but then they really don't. So you can't and you have to. That's one of those victims in your life. Yes, and that's where you have to interact in a spiritual fence or a spiritual boundary of some sort and pray over it. Ask the Lord to fortify it with the blood of Jesus. Set the boundaries and not let anything demonic, satanic, negative, anything that's not of the Lord penetrate those boundaries and ask for your discernment daily.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ask for your discernment daily, absolutely. I mean, that's a morning prayer. And another thing that I like to say that gets in the habit of praying is if you pray in the shower, because if you get in that habit, every time you're in the shower you'll pray. So hopefully you're not one of those people that only shower once a month. So if you are one of those people, it won't work, yeah, it won't work for you. It won't work for you. You need to, whatever it is you do every day. So even I know we get out of the habit sometimes of praying over our food and, more importantly, we should pray over our food just because of everything that every chemical, every, all these companies, these governments, these I don't even know if it's being prepared, right, I mean, there was, well, I don't know. I probably don't want to say that. I'm thinking what I was going to say, I was going to say but later there's, yeah, something you never know what's in your food, what's in what you're encountering, yeah, and how it's prepared.
Speaker 3:Anything that you're, I don't even know if it's being cursed when it's being prepared and served to you yeah, well, and that's just, you know, like getting down to it.
Speaker 2:I mean, you just have to know that there's so many forces we're in. We're more than ever we're in a battle of good and evil right now and we're gonna be till the end of times, and so you have to really just lean on the lord to know the good versus evil, and that's what it's going to come down to. So you cannot help somebody that does not want to help themselves. That's an a's going to come down to. So you cannot help somebody that does not want to help themselves. That's an Well no, you can't.
Speaker 3:You can't want more freedom for somebody that doesn't want the freedom of their self.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 3:And if they're not willing to put their pride aside and humble themselves and accept the Lord, tell them they need Him, they're never going to grow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's true, and it's something that the and the saints can't help you with. That you have to be able to, willing to go to Jesus Christ and do that and know that deliverance is a gift. It's truly a gift and to be able to live in freedom with the lord is truly a gift. And you know, just like there's those bumper stickers. They say no god, no peace, no god, no peace, and then the bottom of it says no god, no peace, k-n-o-w. And it's so true, and that's exactly how the enemy operates.
Speaker 2:Just like the two no's sound alike, but they're so different and you have to recognize, you have to see them to know the difference between them. And it's the same way that the Lord works. You have to seek him, see him and he will show you the difference between the no's, whereas the devil can take something that seems like it's of the Lord, just like it could be an image of your grandma that has passed away and she guides you off of a cliff. Your grandma wouldn't want to guide you off the cliff, but the devil can take an image cliff, your grandma wouldn't want to guide you off the cliff, but the devil can take an image. That's where discernment comes in and leads you down the wrong path, and that is the beauty of deliverance and knowing the difference.
Speaker 2:So if anybody thinks that they need to be delivered, I would say and you belong to a church, you think it's going to come from the church and the church doesn't believe in it. I would say that you could jump online. You can do a lot of different things. For some tools you can just seek.
Speaker 3:I am going to say I do not suggest a mass deliverance.
Speaker 2:No, by no means. Do not fall for these things where you're going to go to a mass like some pastor is going to be preaching at a park and everybody's flopping down in a park. This I want you to pray about it. It's very intimate, it's one-on-one and it requires an incredible amount of aftercare to follow up in all of these things. And I'm not suggesting you just do a Google search. What I'm saying when I say there's a lot of good groups through Rumble and things like that that talk about it, I would say that watch as many of those as you feel like that. You need to watch and pray about every one of them and you'll get the resources from there.
Speaker 2:Jump into the Word the Holy Bible. It talks about it all the time. Jump into the Word the Holy Bible it talks about it all the time. There's Jesus cast out demons from people all over the New Testament. It truly can be a work of the Lord, but it can also be used just like anything, something that is not of Him. And I just don't know that pastors that do these mass deliverances in revival tents and in parks and things like that. I'm not. I don't know that pastors that do these mass deliverances and revival tents and in parks and things like that. I'm not saying they have bad intentions, I'm just saying it's too intimate, it's too personal and the follow-up care is not there, even if they hand you a packet afterwards and tell you to start coming to their church. That's not what it's about.
Speaker 3:Because they don't have time to get to the root of it. And if they don't, if the Holy Spirit doesn't get to the root of it, you've just opened a can of worms.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know and that's where a new form of attacks. And I think you and I saw that. I mean one time we attended a movie about revival and deliverance and things like that in a movie theater and I was walking out, there's this lady that clearly was manifesting, just churned out in sweat and everything else and popcorn all over in the corner, and the people that were representing the particular church kind of just left a business card in the midst of her hair that was all in a nest and where she needed a lot more help. And that's way different, way different. You cannot do these type of things and what it does is that because you can't have to like.
Speaker 3:You have to form a relationship with christ and not to dig deep in that. Yes, yeah so like he kind of, he prepares you.
Speaker 2:It's what he's gonna yeah, it's kind of like the enemy will let it happen. So they and but make it seem as if like it's a mockery to you, yeah, and it's just like I don't know what just happened. But that was crazy and I don't want to do it again. Okay, and that's where we get lost in deliverance, um, sometimes. So I just wanted to touch on those few things and talk about deliverance a little bit. It might not be the most interesting, it looks different for everybody.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is. You can't put it in a box and say, oh, I'll just shake it up, this is what's going to. It's not a what's that. That toy that you crank and then it just pops out A jack-in-the-box. It's a jack-in-the-box.
Speaker 2:It's not a burger either. It's not two tacos for $0.99. Well, I think they have two tacos for $0.99 since the war, but anyways, yeah, so that's the great thing about it. But resources are your best key to this. But deliverance is real. Deliverance is necessary and deliverance is a wonderful tool if you use it correctly and pray about it. And the most important thing in beginning your spiritual journey and growing deeper with Christ is to one-on-one, without the help of a pastor in a church, is to establish a relationship with Jesus Christ, one-on-one between you and Him through prayer. Get to know the Bible, get to know these things, lay that foundation so that you can receive every word that you read, and then it will be. You just can't get enough and the Lord will help you.
Speaker 3:And I do, I think that, like when you're in seeking him, invite, in the Holy spirit of truth to to witness to you.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Cause I think if you invite him in, it helps navigate the improper steps.
Speaker 2:Then you hear people that talk about successful deliverance and stuff and they said God, show me something. That's the same thing. Reveal it to me, Show me something.
Speaker 3:Show me. But the enemy will show you what he wants you to know. Oh sure he will. Yeah, I think that's where you have to ask the Holy Spirit of truth. You have to ask the Holy Spirit of Truth, you have to ask Jesus Christ of. Nazareth, the one and only yeah.
Speaker 2:So then they will guide you and give you the confirmations you need. And if you invoke that Spirit of Truth or you pray for that one thing about it, the enemy can't lie to you as far as like. If you protect yourself with the Word of Jesus, the blood of Jesus Christ, and really just say that you have to flee from me if you're lying to me.
Speaker 3:He's got to flee from you Early on. You don't have. That's why you have to learn to test the spirit. Yeah, because you can be manipulated. You can can be manipulated, but I'm saying that you can establish and you can pray, but that's where, if you don't have any discernment, you don't know. Like you're early on, you're seeing, if you're thinking the lord's speaking to you, you're receiving everything that's being said to you.
Speaker 2:It necessarily is not well, that's true, you're right there, okay, yeah that's why bring the correction, bring the correction.
Speaker 3:That's where I'm thinking.
Speaker 2:You have to say, okay, I need the holy spirit of truth, because there's only one holy spirit of truth and the bottom line is don't try to do deliverance yourself without any, no, without anybody inexperienced with the inexperienced people and it needs to be an experienced person with a witness yeah it's not a worthy choosy person.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's. The holy spirit has an eternity. For a reason yeah, you're supposed to do this with the witness. And because, yeah, as we're praying for somebody, you could be receiving a different message. And this person is dragging something in, because they thought that that's what they heard. Yeah, so there's correction.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that's what I was getting at whenever I said the enemy, you're right. I mean, when you have those experienced people praying, the power of deliverance that's why you have those is to keep that test of the spirit in place, correct, and to keep the Emmy from lying Not that he can't lie to you, but you got to keep him from lying to you through this panel or this spirit. It's a process.
Speaker 3:It's a spiritual process and you will be tested. You have to just make sure that you are seen within the guidelines that the Holy Spirit is giving you, and so I mean discernment, testing of the spirit, because during deliverance you do test the spirit the whole time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that's the key. Well, yeah, that's maintained, that you know.
Speaker 3:So I mean the enemy will manipulate and use whatever he can to keep a hold, at least a pinhole, so that he can stay relevant in that person's life. Yeah, he is a Lord we've totally thrown out, and that's true because he has to be.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, that's a lot about deliverance. So, man, that's crazy. Try it. Yeah, it's fun, it's an exciting process, and every day I mean getting to Lord, it's a growth's an exciting process, just and every day, um, I mean getting to lord. It's a growth period and that's what life is about. I mean, the purpose of our life is not to drive new cars and have good jobs and all that kind of stuff. It's to serve the lord and grow the kingdom. And that's exactly what it's about and getting to know that and once you realize it, life becomes a lot.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's more enjoyable church in a new for it yeah, no, not even a mega church doesn't even come into it. And, um, yeah, you don't have to, you don't even have to give the pastor a bmw. You, you know, you don't? You just um, yeah, there's a lot more enjoyable things about christianity that fall in the roles of a mega church. But that's discernment too. Yeah, and it's not about the pastor, it's about the kingdom and it's about the word of God, and the only true sovereign one is God almighty himself, and we don't have sovereignty over our own bodies, we don't have sovereignty over ourselves. We are creations of God almighty and he is the only true sovereign one, and we must submit and surrender to Him wholly to enjoy all of His gifts that he has for us in life and afterlife, and afterlife for all of eternity. You know, and that's the most important, the gift of eternity is the gift of's, the, and most important, the gift of eternity is that's the gift of eternal life is the ultimate gift, and it's free. It's free.
Speaker 2:That's what the, the pastors, won't tell you, the mega church won't tell you. You do not have to pay their twenty thousand dollar a month mortgage so that they and them wives can, their wives can, write these crazy books and all this other stuff that I've certainly Never wear the same outfit twice yeah, never wear the same outfit twice. That ever tell you to read the Bible. Read the Bible, lay a foundation, develop a one-on-one relationship with Christ. You just need faith. You don't have to have religion to go with it.
Speaker 2:It's okay to ask questions, and ask questions, that's right, you know. I mean I was in a Bible study class the other day and we were in the epistles and talking about Timothy and how Paul really viewed Timothy as a son and all these things. And then we got in, kind of tripped into revelations a little bit and where we were talking about, uh, the church of, uh, laodicea, and somebody said, why do you keep? And then you know, saying all these laodicean churches or exists and do this, and so somebody had raised that question what do you mean by that laodicean reference? And it's one of the seven churches in revelations and anyways, where it's um, kind of where the stage we in, where there's really not a lot of faith and belief or just consumed by the money and what that kind of lays some foundation that you can probably send an email and get crazy with, is that we're probably in the Laodicean days of Revelation. That's my thought on it. There's a lot of people that probably disagree with that. You'll get the post-trip people that probably don't agree with it, don't know. So, anyways, that's kind of where we're at and deliverance is real.
Speaker 2:Deliverance can be very successful and deliverance is necessary to get deep into the faith and break those generational curses and know that that's where they come from. If you don't understand, if you know that, if you're a son or daughter of a prostitute and you have those, you know that curse of Jezebel, that curse of promiscuity, that curse of homosexualness or anything like that, that sexuality, any type of sexual immorality or alcoholism or anything like that. It can be generational and it can be broken through deliverance and that's the bottom line of it. And if you seek him and open that door, he will change your life. That's about all we got for now and we'll see you next time on Faith vs Religion.
Speaker 1:Thank you.