TOMARA Full Circle: "Tomara Conrad’s Return to What Matters"

“From Wyoming Bars to Montana Roots: The Tomara Conrad Story”We had the pleasure of sitting down with Montana singer-songwriter Tomara Conrad during the Whitefish Songwriter Festival at Slow Burn Records, where her authentic storytelling and raw, heartfelt delivery truly stood out. Tomara took us back to her early days growing up in Pinedale, cutting her teeth playing in local bars before stepping into the national spotlight on reality TV. After spending a decade in Los Angeles chasing the dream, she ultimately found her true sense of home and purpose back in Montana—working on her family’s fruit farm on the south end of Flathead Lake. That return to her roots has deeply influenced her music, grounding her sound in authenticity, hard work, and a deep connection to place. It was a genuine and memorable conversation that perfectly captured the spirit of the festival—intimate, real, and all about the power of a great song.

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SPEAKER_00 0:05

All right. Hey music lovers, welcome to Musical Miles Podcast. I'm your host, Byron Duffin, and we are here at Slowburn Records in Whitefish, Montana, with Tamara. Welcome. Pull that microphone in a little bit closer. So we we got microphones for microphones in our microphones. So we we uh we've had some faux paws, so it's always nice to have backup. Make sure make sure because you're in the recording industry, you know if you you don't want to get all done and they go, we didn't have we have no vocals on that.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Exactly. That's happened a couple times.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Yeah, yeah. So but uh so Tamara is originally from Wyoming.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

Where Pine, Wyoming.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Oh, are you a Pine Dale girl?

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Pine Dale girl.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

You're kidding me.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Bob's Western story. Is that Bob Bing?

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Yeah, yeah, I know Bob. You know the Bings really well.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Yeah, I know Bob.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Grew up with them.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

So did you know his boy Jay?

SPEAKER_02 1:00

I did know Jay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Yeah, so that's a sad story, but it's but they've really turned things, made a positive spin out of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Jay was the first man who ever flipped me upside down on a dance floor.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

No kidding.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

At the cowboy bar.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

At the cowboy bar in Pine Creek.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

I've never been flipped upside down, and he did it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Has it happened since?

SPEAKER_02 1:20

It has happened since, but Jay was the first.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Jay was the first. Well, that's a cool story.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

That is funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Yeah, Bob's I spent 13 years in the cowboy rope business. So they Bob was a customer of mine. So I used to deliver ropes because we live just South Idaho Falls.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

So we we would go up there and uh and take ropes to see Bob and bits and spurs and stuff. So it's a small world. And then a very, very good friend of ours uh uh lives there, um uh Tibbets, Wade Tibbetts. I don't know if you know Wade. Uh he's from Blackfoot, Idaho, but but he runs a bunch of yearlings there and stuff on some. I think he leases some ranches there. But so how long you've been here?

SPEAKER_02 2:00

So I grew up uh spending my winters in Wyoming and my summers up here. So Poulson, Montana.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

So uh I'm down on Southhead, the south end of Flathead.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Flathead, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Um have this cherry farm that my great-grandpa started and now I run it.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Really?

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

So are you here full time now?

SPEAKER_02 2:21

You don't go back to Pinedale much, or I was just in Pinedale uh last month visiting. Uh my sister, my nephews, and my niece are all down there. Um, so I go back to visit them, but I spend a lot of time here in the summer and then winter I get out of here and go to Nashville.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Cool, cool, cool. Well, let's talk about your music career because that's why we're here. We're here in Whitefish at the Songwriter Festival. We met here last year, yeah, but ran out of time and didn't get a chance to sit down then. Um and uh um we we uh we did get to we got to sit and listen to you play with Riley last year at the Great Northern. And and uh we actually did interview Riley and the audio was so bad I've never posted it. So I tried to do a redo with her and I never did hear back from her. So but anyway, we'll get we'll get together with Riley again. So but we because we've only we've we started this podcast a little over a year ago, and your number 188th interview in 14 months.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Oh my goodness. So that's 188.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

188. That's a pretty good number. So, well, let's talk about your musical bug. When did you get bit by the music bug?

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Oh man, I I I think I was born with it.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Were you?

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Yeah, I started playing uh in Pinedale at a local bar um when I was 12, but I'd always known I wanted to do music.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Wyoming and Montana are funny about letting 12-year-olds play in their bars.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

Yeah, they are. The the rules don't exist there.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

No, I'm sure they don't.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Yeah, um it was every Tuesday night I started playing at The Rock Rabbit. Um, the owner, Dan Abernathy. Um he went on tour with The Grateful Dead and Wow. They all came through Pinedale and spent a lot of time riding there. And uh had a little ranch out in the Upper Green River Valley, and um yeah, it's kind of a very musical space that Dan created, and uh um I started doing an open mic there every Tuesday, and uh he ended up having me just play every Tuesday night after that, and it's kind of where it all started, like and then yeah, um then it all went on from there, the whole story. But the whole story, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Yeah, I should so when did you did you start writing music right away when you were twelve or no, you know that wait a while.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Yeah, I was just trying to get into uh like I was playing a lot of covers from artists that influenced me when I first started playing. Um I didn't really know much about songwriting um until I was I I was a couple years in, I was fifteen, and um I got asked to go out to LA and do the show The Voice.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Oh, you did?

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yep. And I met this guy out there, um, Jeff Blue. He discovered a few rock bands. Um one of them being Lincoln Park. Wow. Um yeah, a singer by the name of Macy Gray. Um and yeah, I started working with Jeff and um he said, you know, I'd really love to write some songs with you. Let's let's get your own songs out in the world. And so he was the first person I wrote in uh.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

So what year was that that you went on the voice?

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Oh man, it was season three. So it's like way back in the day.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Uh 2000 Who won it that year, do you remember?

SPEAKER_02 5:47

I think it was Cassid uh not it was a Cassidy Pope, is that right? I'm trying to I I couldn't tell you.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

And and and uh how how did it how did it go for you?

SPEAKER_02 5:59

Um it was an interesting experience. Um TV is interesting because it's a whole lot of other things outside of your actual talent in music.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Right.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Um I had went through several like audition rounds and I stayed out in LA for like three months um going through the different rounds before even being televised. And um yeah, I got to the the first televised round and I was all mic'd up backstage like this, getting ready to go out and sing. I think the song was uh it was Amy Winehouse Rehab, is what they had asked me to sing. And um I was ready to go and I heard the crowd cheering for the girl who had was right in front of me, and all the producers came back. They're like, We're gonna take a quick break. And they uh brought me back and they said, you know, all the teams are full. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

You're too bad.

SPEAKER_02 6:54

And she had the girl, her name was Paulina, she had filled the last spot on all the teams, and so they're like, Well, you have a promised spot next season, like we'll get you back on. We're so sorry this happens, but it happened to myself and like 14 other people waiting to audition. Oh but yeah, I ended up not going back. I personally I didn't really enjoy the experience just because, like I said, it's I've heard this story twice today.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Yeah, Mayley told us the same story, right? Yeah, only that was hers was with uh American Idol.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

Oh, okay. Well, yeah, I'm sure it's there's a lot of similar things in it all.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

And we've interviewed several artists that have that were on The Voice and and American Idol and um uh well well yeah uh Sundance Head, do you know Sundance? He won The Voice in 2016. But he said, after what you learned from American Idol. American Idol. He was on American Idol in 2006. What he needed to do and what they wanted out of him from American Idol.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

It's so interesting. Like it's a whole different world behind the screen.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Well, and and a lot of it is it's all about television, right? And viewership, and and a lot of those, unless you have a really sad story, yeah, you're not gonna get very far. No, you know, they want to hear about grandma getting cancer and dying. You know, I mean it's sad, and those are true stories. I mean, that happened to those people, but but uh but the the the challenge with uh and this is what you know Sunnet shared with us was that uh with the voice, there's little to no support after the fact.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

No.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Um with the American Idol's a little different. There is some, you know, and they do and they do a tour, they do a top ten tour, I think, but and he got to tour with Blake Shelton, but there's no there's no big support.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

I know. Yeah. So and you know, I really I'm so grateful for the experience and to be like 15, 16 years old doing it, it was really awesome for me to like get my feet wet early, and um I ended up staying in LA after that.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Oh, you did?

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Yeah, and pursuing music for how long? I was there for 10 years. Really? Back and forth between there and Montana. So Wow. Yeah. Um it was a crazy experience. Uh I had to get out of there. I I mean I met a lot of wonderful people. They people like to talk bad about LA and whatnot, but I did meet some amazing humans. Um the city just wasn't for me.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

So well, 10 years, you're pretty tough though. Spent 10 years there. It was you guys that uh ranchy background from Pinedale helped.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah. Oh yeah, it kept me right, yeah. It kept my head on straight. I'd come back every other month, visit my family, and like, you know, they would kind of see when I was getting a little too far out there and having too much fun or whatever. Right. They would reel me back in.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

And that's I'm really blessed. I have an amazing family who did that.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Sure. So so you talked about earlier that you know at 12 who really s gave you who really influenced you to talk about some of those artists that really had the impact on you.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

Yeah, I would say like the first artist I started listening to, I was the only radio station in Pinedale was KPIN radio with Bob Rule. And um, he played all the oldies, so it was all like Johnny Cash, Mel Haggard, um, I mean Etta James, like Aretha. Um yeah, so a lot of soul and a lot of country, uh, a lot of blues. Um, but everything I grew up on was so much beyond my years. But I I really enjoyed that music. Um, and then my sister, she's uh she probably knows more about music than I do, honestly. But um unfortunately she doesn't really have a singing bone in her body, but uh she does love music, but she put me on to so many different artists too, and um Janice Joplin and Bobby Gentry.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Yeah, yeah. I I those are those are definitely old school. You I mean you weren't you weren't listening to a lot of modern stuff, right? So it was all old school stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Yeah, and uh we didn't have my mom wasn't paying for serious XM or whatever for us to listen to. So we were listening to Bob Rule and that was it, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

What um uh oh gosh, I just lost my mind there for a second. Um well, so so is anyone else in the family musical? Is your mom musical?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

She's not. Nobody in my family um is musical, which is kind of I wish they were, but um they've been very supportive of me pursuing everything. Um my grandma will actually beg to differ. She she says that I got all my singing skills from her.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

From her. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

And she'll still say that. Yeah, she's the queen of karaoke, so oh she is. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:17

Okay, okay. I can't imagine seeing any of my grandparents in a bar saying karaoke. My grandma's wild. Oh, well, there's now, now uh Miss Shannon talked me into singing karaoke one time in Key West, and it'll never happen.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Oh, come on. You know, karaoke's a big thing around here.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Really? Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, VFW Friday nights is the karaoke capital, huh? White.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

We might have to drag you out.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Well, I live in Idaho, so you know, so we live ten miles south of Idaho Falls. Yeah. So um, yeah, there's a little karaoke goes on down there, but I know too many people, so I probably I did she did talk me in. No, I someone other some other guys talked me into singing karaoke in Salt Lake one night. We sing uh Jeremiah Was a Bullfrog.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

That's a great song.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

These two brothers came to this bar to sing. And they invited me.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

And they talked me into singing with them. And we rocked the house. They did. They did the house. But but but Miss Shanda try had me sing uh um Tina Turner. We were we were in QS and she had me sing with her and thank god nobody knew me there.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Yeah. No, no, sir.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

And we did it. I think that's why I'm on America's Most Wanted now.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Yeah, so I love little Tina.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

Anyway, but uh well so but nobody was when did you learn to play the guitar? I mean, where did that come from?

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Um honestly I I'm not gonna rave about my guitar skills because I've seen you play though.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

I saw you play.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

I play just enough to get by and to write, but um I've always I actually had a band. I uh I was I was just singing and I was writing and um but the musicians I had around me were so wonderful and even till this day I my the band that I play with like they rock. And so I let them shine where they need to shine.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

And you know those six cowboy chords, right?

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Yeah, G D E A minus.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

Yeah, my goal this winter is to kind of take it down a notch from the performances and fine-tune.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

But you know, not everybody has to has to play the guitar. You know, Marla Cannon Goodman does not play the guitar. Yeah, she has somebody follow her around and play for her so she can sing.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

It sounds like my style.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Yeah, yeah. So, because you know, we normally have you play us a song and I can play you a song. Okay, well, you're gonna get to do that. Here at the end of this conversation, but uh no, we appreciate you taking the time. Thank you. What uh so um uh have you cut some full albums?

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Yes, I have. Um I actually quit doing music for a good amount of time. I was kind of discouraged by the industry out in LA, and uh when I decided to leave LA, I also decided to re-pursue my music career, and I released um a five-song EP to kind of get myself back into um this world, and it was uh yeah, it was all me. Like just from my heart and like really the music industry and all that, what I'd experienced, and then I continued on. I released another album the following year. Um, and I'm currently working on my next one.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Cool.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Yeah, and it's um being recorded in Nashville at Saxman Studios and um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

What's the schedule on that? What's how's it how's it coming and when will you start to release the music?

SPEAKER_02 16:01

We just recorded our first three songs three months ago. Okay. Um around here. I was busy every night playing live this summer, so I took the time to do that. But I'll be back out um next month for another three songs. We're kind of taking it three at a time so I can be back and forth to the farm and whatnot. But um the goal is to have it ready to go by next spring. So yeah. Um it's really awesome to work with the people I have then.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

So what genre would you is your is this is this a country, a country album or is it it's more of like blues soul rock.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Um obviously a little country because I've always been inspired by that, but um, I'd say it's a little more soulful and bluesy than my former country songs that I've written, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Cool.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Well, here's a question for you that I've asked lots of people, but so if you could work with anyone in the music industry, dead or alive, hard to work with the dead ones, but uh um who who would you like to work with?

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Just one person.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Well, I know you want to work with everybody, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Alright, well, I'll say I'll I'll pick a dead one, how I'll be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Okay, no, then you'll pick a live one. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

Um, oh man. I'm gonna say Aretha Franklin for um I just think that she's well they call her the Queen of Soul, and um I'm I could listen to her all day every day, and she was so talented. Um alive, I would have to say um I'm super into have you guys heard of Marcus King?

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Oh yeah. Yeah, Marcus King is the bomb.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

I think he is uh one of the best musicians. His voice is like you just don't expect it out of this man, but I mean Yeah, not what you'd expect out of Marcus King.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

You look at him, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:06

You're like Yeah, oh man, he I think is one of the best of this time.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

He's got a smoking hot wife, too. He sure does.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

I'm like must be doing something right. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Well, he's a hell of a guitar player. Yeah, you know, that old that old story about you know when you're when they when you're young and they tell you, you know, girls like guys that can play guitars, that's living proof right there.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Ain't that the truth? Yeah, yeah. It's so funny how things come back around.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

All the nerds in school gotta watch out for them.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, cool.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Well, so um, well, you're a busy girl, you're farming. You got so how many acres of cherries are you raising?

SPEAKER_02 18:50

57. Well, not of just cherries. So I grow alfalfa um apples, uh, plums, pears.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 18:59

Yeah, it's a whole production, but I have about three acres worth of cherries. Um I'm coming back next summer. Yeah, you better. Well, listen to pick. We put you all to work. So as you can see. Well, I'm telling you, we don't we don't we make you work for your cherries.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

We've made some we we have literally made trips up here just for the cherries.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

I'm telling you, now you know how to come. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

Yeah. I'm I I want to actually uh next summer host uh every Sunday. It's called Pickin' and Pickin'.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Oh, I like it.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

Well, I'll bring down a musician from locally or not locally. I have a lot of writer friends in Nashville. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Well, you'll have to let us know when that happens. So we'll come pick some cherries and do a podcast episode from the farm.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Down in the orchard.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Oh, absolutely. Okay. I like it a lot. Yeah. That'd be so funny. Yeah, it'll be fun.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Cool.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

That'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Well, tomorrow, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Finally, I get to talk to you guys.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Well, I'm not all that fun to talk to you, but uh um, yeah, thanks for sharing. What are you gonna plan? So you gotta plant something.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

I will play you something. Um, I'm gonna play you a song that's gonna be on this next album.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

Um, and since I'm telling you all about my farm, it's my grandma and grandpa story. Oh, cool. If you don't mind me sharing this, no, we would love to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

You know what's so do you need a capo? There's a capo and there's a pick there.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Well, I could use a little pick.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

There's a pick right there.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Thank you. Oh, you guys are all set up and ready. Are we sure?

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Uh you might check it. You're you're okay.

unknown 20:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

I'm impressed. You've got nails and can play the guitar.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

I told you, I'd rather have my nails than play a guitar.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Well, grandma is a legend in my hometown with no limit to the speed hit it heaven by cash over credit is how it get paid. Always talking out of a damn thing, the something, the song that can't be saved. Working for the man's time, how we roll is the seed or croppin', how we grow and turn upin' There to go. There's something that can't be so that's something that can't be so I got my F15, my green machine singin' and it's curious to Johnny Catch a time, giving a neighbor a hand. Grandpa pickin' them cherries and fifty five years and being married. Grandma holdin' her home calling crown Live the legends of my own town over at the karaoke bar, you know. Grandpa's riding that stick with his red bone hound. General Sherman with the windows down and not a penny Left on the ground. The deep work don't seem like a thing When you got your legs and them Wrangler jeans designer Don't mean a dying thing I got my F150, my great machine singing Linch skin with some Johnny Cash just tapping, giving a neighbor hand. But grandpa they're picking them cherries and fifty-five years of being married and grandma holdin' her home con the legends of my home town Little Legends of my own town. I never leave in my home town. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Thank you. That is awesome so much. Put your autograph on there for me. Pick a spot.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Wow, look at all of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

Thank you, Tamara.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah, this has been fun. And I will hold you to that. We're gonna come out. Yeah. And to pick and pick it and pickin'. Let's do it. And uh so that's gonna be best times in July. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

All set us up down at the orchard and uh we're on. Anyone else who wants to come?

SPEAKER_00 24:01

Come on. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Yeah, we have apples on next week.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

So oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Just saying.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Just saying.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

I need all the help I can get.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

Well, thank you again.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Thank you. Hey, I'm gonna hand that to you. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Yeah, this has been fun. So, hey, for Musical Miles Podcast, I'm your host, Byron Duffin. We will see you somewhere down the road. Adios for now.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Thank you. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

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