What's The Point Anyway?
It seems like much of the Western world is lost. The interesting trend over the last few years is that more and more people are working that out.
More people have worked out that endless materialism and chasing things that never actually satisfy us aint it.
So what’s the point of it all, anyway?
What's The Point Anyway?
Episode #32 - Jenn Guskin on life as a CT survivor who experienced Epstein Island
Not that you'd hear about it in the mainstream news, but there's been lots of chatter over the past month about the release of the 'Epstein files' so I wanted to bring someone on to the show who could talk about that.
Jenn is a prominent voice online as a survivor of child sex trafficking and she was all too willing to share her story with me. Like my other recent guest Jessica Ella, Jenn suffered from trauma induced memory loss as a result of her experiences but over the past decade has begun to piece together her journey.
What she went through is unimaginable and shocking, yet given the high profile nature of it all she's yet to receive any sort of recognition from the events let alone justice.
I appreciate her coming on and telling her story and I hope in doing so, we can increase the awareness and get some justice.
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we're on. So Jen, thanks for joining me today. Whereabouts you based? Pardon? We're about to you based. I live in Maryland right now, but I grew up in New York. Yeah, nice one. Well, thanks for joining me. I came across your story on X and you've got quite a big following there. Crazy story, which we'll get into. I'm looking forward to hearing it. I thought it's poignant given the, I guess, headlines, but I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about the whole sort of Epstein files being released this week. But before we get into that, where have you gotten to today? What's the point anyway? well, right now I'm currently advocating to combat child trafficking. I was adopted as an infant by a couple who sold me throughout my childhood. I have been to Epstein Island and on multiple Lolita Express types of flights as a child. after I went public, child protective services opened a substance exposed newborn case, even though all tests came back negative. And they told me that if I didn't stop posting on social media, I would never see my daughter again. I began to put together how I was adopted as an infant and traffic to Epstein's ilk, how many other children who have been through the CPS foster and adoption industries have also been trafficked among the upper echelons of society. This enraged CPS and they essentially blackmailed my husband into filing a police report against me. And I spent a year and a half political, almost a year and a half political prisoner with no trial. And the all charges were essentially dropped after about a year and a half. I then had to spend about another year and a halfway house. And since then I've been doing everything in my power to build awareness to how often the CPS foster and adoption industries intentionally places children in abusive situations. Very frequently, for example, right now we have anywhere between 500 and 900,000 children missing through the United States child welfare system at this moment. And we know that at least half of the children who end up in the CPS foster and adoption industries end up being molested in some form. So the question is, where did these, you know, half a million to almost a million children go? How long ago was it that you came out and went through that initial experience of trying to be shut down? went public, I went public on October 23rd, 2017. Okay, so you're about eight years into it. roughly about seven, years, yeah. Yeah. And what was, I mean, if you don't mind me asking, how well were you at that point when you came out and what was the process like going from being someone that had been raised in this to then trying to fight against it? Well, I was about 30 when I came public. And pretty much the process for me was I had been dealing with what I thought were daydreams. I would randomly zone out and I didn't really understand it. It was weird. I didn't understand it until the Podesta WikiLeaks happened in 2016. Mm-hmm. made me realize that these random daydreams I was having were actually flashbacks at locations and things that actually happened. And then I ended up having to combat with myself. Do I keep this private? Do I just try and move on with my life and just try and live a normal life? Or do I try to build awareness to this and go public and try and get other survivors to come forward? I spent almost a month just kind of writing up, you know, my, my, my little thing. I guess my confessional or whatever spent about a month writing it up. And then at one point when I had, was just like, you know what? If I don't post this now, I'm never going to post it. You know, if I keep trying to edit to make it perfect, it's never going to be perfect. it's never going to say everything I wanted to say. So I'm going to just look over it in the morning and I'm to post it tomorrow morning. And, next morning I posted it and, honestly, I thought that I was going to be ridiculed, berated, laughed at. I thought I was going to be shunned and the complete opposite happened. There was such an outpouring of support and, and, know, empathy and, you know, people wanting, asking genuine questions and wanting to know more and wanting to understand more and, know, all that kind of stuff. And then five days later, a certain anonymous poster started posting on the internet and a whole community was born of people looking into this kind of stuff. And it just became a situation of, well, the cat's out of the bag now. It's not like I can go back hide under a rock. So let's keep going full throttle. Yeah. And what was, just to jump in for those that don't know, could you explain what the Podesta WikiLeaks situation was? Yes, there was a situation at the Democratic National Committee where an inside staffer known as Seth Rich had access to a bunch of internal emails and he leaked them to WikiLeaks. And these emails contain information showing that not only was the Democrat National Committee trying to help Hillary Clinton win the nomination over Bernie Sanders, it also had a very substantial series of emails that used code words that if run side by side with the FBI pedophile code word database, you could see that the emails were very likely referencing pedophilia acts. And what was, was that, I mean, that was not something that really hit the news stories at all, but it did. I know it started to come out in, you know, sort of online communities, whether that was Twitter at the time or, you know, redettes and, and everything else. How many people like you were there? Like, were you one of many that started to speak up saying, Hey, I was a victim of this. Um, not really. Um, at the time I only knew of a handful. And then, um, shortly before I was, um, and the ones that I knew over like Annika Lucas, um, Kathy O'Brien, um, I think Whitney Webb was public at the time. So like I knew of them, but I didn't know them. Um, and then shortly before I was held political prisoner, there was, um, Eliza Blue and, um, another. person who started posting and all that happened. But then I was held political prisoner for about a year and a half, came out. And then when I came out, initially, you know, I had to stay in the halfway house for a year. So was very limited in what I could do and all that kind of stuff. But when I came out and I was able to get on Truth Social initially, then I was able to get on X because Twitter I was, you know, very nervous about. Mm-hmm. that there was quite a bit of a community at this point on acts of survivors who are coming forward and who are speaking. So that's been very bittersweet to see. It's great to see they're standing up, but it sucks to see that there are others who went through it. many. Yeah. And what was the eventual fate of Seth Rich, the guy that liked it? From what I understand, Seth Rich was actually assassinated in DC. Yeah. Yeah, right. So I've heard this story before of other victims of child sex abuse that if you're looking at this like normally you're like, how could these things happen? And you have no memory of it, but it seems to be fairly common that the body, the human body has some sort of response where it creates like an amnesia effect where you have no memory of all these things that happened. But then certain things can happen later in life that trigger those memories. What was it like for you? said it happened when you were sort of 30 years old, like a few years before that, before you start to have the triggers of the memories, how, how would have you described your childhood? Like, did you remember any of it or was there parts that were blurs? Like, what did you think about what your life was up until that point? I thought that other than, other than my dad being an asshole, I thought that my childhood was, was overall normal. It looked like normal on the outside. Other than, other than the fact that, you know, I knew I had behavioral issues in second grade, that they got very severe in second grade. they started pumping me, you know, full of pills. There was one point that I was on, you know, like 15 pills at a time. So, and then I was moved from normal school, from public school to a school for children with behavioral issues. So then I got moved into that in seventh grade and stayed in there until I graduated. So there was also that going on, which also, you know, which, you know, I realized later that children that are placed into that kind of system often undergo more, more, extensive abuse. so. Mostly what I remember at this point is from grade school, from grade school and earlier. Unfortunately, the point that I was moved into seventh grade and later is right now the most fractured. But earlier, but I remember more of earlier. Yeah. And has it been a pro... my day to day thing, sorry, go ahead. No, no, sorry, you continue. Well, my day-to-day structure in, you know, early years was I would have therapy three times a week. I'd have it on Monday morning, Tuesday morning and Thursday morning. I would have Hebrew school three days a week. I'd have that Monday afternoon, Wednesday afternoon and Sunday morning. And then when I was much younger, I would spend Friday nights at my uncle's house. who he's the man who arranged my adoption and was very involved in my abuse. He was actually a direct handler for me for quite a while. So overall on the outside, my life seemed very normal, but later on when I started realizing that like, for example, like there was one incident that I've never completely forgotten that I just suppressed and I remember being in the laundry room, hearing my father upstairs in the kitchen yelling and thinking about one of the blackmail incidents that I witnessed where to this day, that is the hardest I've ever seen a grown man cry. So there are little teeny tiny bits of slivers that I've remembered like throughout my years, but not enough to really... like not enough to really build on until I was older. Yeah. And did you have siblings with your positive parents? Yeah. Yeah. And do think he went through the same sorts of things? He went through some forms of abuse. I don't know exactly what he went through. know that he, that I know that he went through forms of abuse. Yeah. And what was the, like, what was the situation with your foster parents? Were they, you know, were they poor and doing things because they needed to to get money or were they part of a sort of wealthier, higher class sect? my, on my mother's side, from what I understand, my mother's family came over via Operation Paperclip. my father's family, from what I understand, I don't know much about my father's mother. My father's father, I was, I was told growing up, they had migrated from Poland to the States through Ellis Island. However, it wasn't until a couple of years ago. that I found out that he actually came to the United States through Cuba and stole somebody's identity, came here to, or came up to New York, went to Brooklyn, lived in Brooklyn where he worked as a mail clerk or postman. He was delivering the mail. Yeah, and so your mum came via Operation Paperclip. Can you give some intel on what that is? Operation Paperclip, from my understanding, was back when the Nazis were defeated and a number of the scientists were brought from Nazi Germany over to the United States. What a lot of people don't know is that the scientists that were brought over weren't all just Nazis. The Nazis also were fond of taking people of other cultures, religions, races, whatever that they thought showed an exceptional potential and would force them to work for them. So they also had Jews, which was my family. My family was one of those Jewish families that had been brought over via Operation Paperclip that had been kept by the Nazis, from my understanding. Yeah, right, makes sense. Okay, so as this WikiLeaks event happens and you start to piece together your childhood, how has it come about then that, you know, then obviously you had the Epstein, you the initial Epstein event. I'm not sure what was that, like a year or two after that. How did you then realize that you'd been to Epstein Island? What were your experiences with that? I've always known that I've been to Epstein Island. remembered a bunch of the, when I, when I went to Epstein Island, I went on a cruise. So when I went on the cruise, we went there, I believe if I recall correctly, it was a seven day cruise where we went on either four or five days in a row of excursions. One, and one of the islands that we stopped at was little St. James. I didn't realize that that was Epstein Island until, I believe until the WikiLeaks came out and then I would then I put it together. I'm not a hundred percent certain. So I apologize if I'm wrong on that. Around that time, roughly, that was when I realized that it was Epstein Island. But when I went on the cruise, I went via multiple shore excursions. So unfortunately I don't remember exactly which happened on which island. However, the majority of what I do remember was abusive in nature. at least two of the island locations that we had stopped at, we were forced to, myself and other children were forced to, we were put in essentially what I call fight rings. And they would make us fight each other until either one of the children was dead or we were told to stop fighting. Yeah, well, how old do think you were at that point? 12. Right. So what was it, like, it, how did you end up being on an excursion like this? Was it runners, a school trip or like how, how was it you that ended up being one of the ones that was on this trip? I went with my family. So I had gone with my cousins, uncle, the majority of my mother's side of the family. So I had gone with that side of the family. I don't, the way that the cruise excursions work is that you can either go with it. Like, for example, I went on Celebrity. So you can either go through Celebrity cruise lines and the cruise line will take you to the island via whatever method they use, or you can go on your own and you can go separately. I don't know if we went through the cruise line itself proper or whether we went on our own and went separately. Yeah. So as, mean, as you've got older and you've started now look back on this and realize the experiences that you've had, where have you got to in terms of piecing it all together? have you, how confident, I mean, how confident are you in what you think was going on or is there still so much that's really hazy for you? Well, when I, when I try very, very, very hard not to talk about a flashback when it's brand new, or if I do have a brand new flashback, I try to make it a point to say, this is new, this is unclear. I'm still trying to decipher it, you know, all that kind of stuff. I don't like to see anything as a hundred percent positive because I don't think anybody can say that they remember things a hundred percent clearly. But, I, it came down to. It came down to a situation of either what I remember is accurate and this is really going on and something needs to be done about it something needs to be done about it, or it's not accurate and it'll be investigated and it'll be dismissed and that'll be the end of that. But so far there's been more circumstantial evidence that it's accurate than that it's not. There's more people coming out. There's more information that's being proven. I mean, for God's sake, you know, Right now, the, don't know if you know this on your side of the pond, but right now in a big reason why some of these Epstein documents are being delayed and all that kind of stuff and why it's only been such a small fraction is because the Southern District of New York is withholding documents. I grew up in the Southern District of New York. yeah So it's stuff like that that's like, you know, Do you think, because I mean, it's, I look at this stuff and find it incredible, you know, that even just like the headline of what was happening at this Epstein Island, you know, you've got a guy who's actually being convicted of child trafficking, or I'm not sure what his actual conviction was, but it's clear that it was something along those lines. And then you have... presidents, CEOs, like the who's who of world politics and geopolitics going to this place. It's like the most crazy headline ever. And yet, I mean, it's almost like an insight into how sort of nihilistic the world has become. It's like, for the average person, it's like, yeah, well, so, you know, so what? Like, has it amazed you how little... an uproar there is. And I mean, this came out in 2017. it's, you know, seven and a bit years ago, there doesn't seem to be much justice or much that's happened as a result of it. How do you process that? mean, honestly, in the past seven years from when I first went public to now, it has been night and day. It's been completely different. The amount of support that survivors have gotten, amount of, Bless you. the amount of, I hate using this term, but the amount of attention survivors have been getting and human trafficking has been getting and the amount of people who want to learn more and want to know about the subject and all that kind of stuff. I mean, it's huge. It's really, it's a big thing. And, you know, I'm not the type of person that's going to be like, my God, like what the When this next batch of the last 200 pages were released, I wasn't expecting anything big because I'm used to it just being the bare minimum that they give us, just enough to see if they can satiate us. So I wasn't holding my breath, but they also made it very clear that it's just phase one and that they're planning on doing more. So I'll... be looking, I'll be watching, but I'm not going to be glued to my computer waiting for the files to come out because, you know, it, you know, we may never get all of it. Yeah. What's your position on Trump? You know, and Musk and, cause I know, I know there's, there's two very different schools of thought. There's, know, your hardcore sort of mega guys like Trump's, you know, bringing down the deep state and he's going to expose everything. And then there's the, and then there's the others that are like, you're just being played. Like, yeah, I think there's, I mean, there's theories that Trump was close with Epstein as well. And this is just more sort of theater. throw people a bone, but ultimately just keep the show going on. Where do you sit on Trump? The way I see it is that, you know, if we know of them, if they are famous, if they are powerful, if they have money, that they've been compromised in some form. Whether they did the deed with a smile on their face because they knew their fortunes were going to improve, or whether they did it with a tear in their eye because they didn't want to hurt the child. At this point, I believe that if somebody's made to the upper echelons of society, they have been compromised in some form. And realistically, you know, I don't think we would be in the position that we are in right now with survivors being able to speak and with all this discussion about the Epstein list and human trafficking and all that kind of stuff. If Trump wasn't in office, I honestly believe that if Hillary Clinton had won, we would be in an extremely, extremely, extremely dire situation right now. I'm not, let me put this way. I am not a, I support Trump as much as I think that he's supporting the people. Mm-hmm. I feel like he's turning his back on us and he's not going to do anything about the child trafficking, then I don't want anything to do with him. But right now, you know, that's the extent I support him. You know, yeah, that's pretty much what it comes down to. Yeah. So when you say that these guys in the upper echelon are compromised, what's your view now on what was going on and, and is it just Epstein Island or is it a whole lot bigger than that? And what, like, what is the operation? Who's running it? What's the objective out of it? Or is it just, you know, sort of these sort of sicko freaks that have money and are doing things for pleasure, or is it, is it a lot more sophisticated than that? From what I understood growing up was that there were 13 families and each of these families had their own hierarchy, they had their own goals, they had their own things that they wanted, they had their own rules and guidelines and all that kind of stuff. And from what I understand, some of these families are literally just about power control. Some of them are about hedonism, some of them, you take pleasure in harming others. knew of at least one that was extremely, you you touch a child, you are gone, we want nothing to do with you, you are out. You're touching a child, you are out. I remember there was a big scandal in that group too, where supposedly number of them had been drugged or drunk and were put in precarious situations and all that kind of stuff. And there was talk about abolishing that family. I don't know if they ever actually did or not. But some of them, it's all about control, destroying people. Some of them want humanity to do well. Some of them want humanity to flourish. But unfortunately, there are more who are more interested in control and power. Who's in charge? I don't really think there's anybody really in charge right now. I think it's these different families. Some of them are lining and some of them were fighting and all that kind of dramatic stuff. But I couldn't really tell you who's in charge of the stuff at the top because that stuff switches around so much. I don't know. Yeah. So it's really just sort of power battles at the absolute top of, with, you know, sort of domination as the goal, which is, you know, there's nothing new under the sun. sort of, that's a story of humanity really. And then where does, so something like an Epstein Island, that just a thing for one faction to try to gain power over pawns in the game or is it coordinated? I think it was a situation where one or two factions did it and the other factions realized how effective it was, so they decided to pick up on it as well, type of situation. I don't, it could be the, I don't know, I can imagine that's the case at least for some of them, but unfortunately when you're in a situation, when you're in a situation of, know, people are being blackmailed, you know, on camera doing things with children, how do you combat something like that unless you come up with something as equally as awful to hold over somebody else's head, like over that person's head? So it becomes a sick cycle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so what's it, where's it left you today, Jen, in terms of how you see the world and worldview? Obviously you're putting a lot of your effort, which is really commendable in terms of speaking up and trying to fight it against it and do what you can with everyone else to bring it down. But are you able to find joy in your life? you, I mean, I don't know whether you're ever at peace with what- you know, with what's happened, but where's it, where's it sort of left you as a human on the other side of it? Pretty much where I am now is my life is about building awareness and advocating for those who have been through the system, whether it's dealing with Epstein's ilk tangentially or whether you were directly abducted via CPS, foster adoption industry and put into that kind of system. I essentially want to advocate for survivors and victims of child trafficking. I live near DC. So my friends and I, my friend, Kasia and I, we're going to be heading into DC routinely, consistently to try and speak with Congress people, various entities and agencies. You want to do men on the street interviews. And we also want to like do live streams of our interactions because I've seen a little bit about in parents who have dealt with CPS fraud. I'm going into DC, but I have yet really to see much about the adult children who have dealt with child trafficking and all that kind of stuff actually heading into DC. So what we're hoping to do is, you know, let's say you've, you have, know, Hey, hi, congressman. I've been to Epstein Island and multiple Alita express types of flights as a child. Can I speak with you? And if they're seeing that's being recorded and live streams and all that kind of stuff. It looks really bad for them if they're walking away from somebody who's been to Epstein Island, who's trying to talk to them. So we're hoping to try and, so we're hoping to kind of utilize, you know, we're hoping to utilize my experiences to try and build attention to everything and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, does it like, does it wear you down? Is there a part of you that, I mean, you obviously want to bring attention to it, but is there a part of you that's like, I just want to go and live a quiet normal life somewhere and never think about this ever again. yeah, there's what I want to do, which is I want to get a cabin or a cottage in the middle of the woods and disappear and never see the rest of humanity again. But then there's what I need to do. And the way I deal with it is I try to find humor in as much as I can, you know, whether it's. Whether it's, you know, sardonic humor or ironic humor, I always try to find silver linings in anything, you know, something bad comes up and, you know, I try to be like, you know, okay, well, you know, well, that sucks, but this is a good part of it. So it, and, you know, I tend to laugh at inappropriate things just because that's how I kind of cope with the, the trauma and stuff, but it helps me not get depressed. It helps me stay in the light and, uh, You know, so I mean, that's also a big thing is trying not to every once in a while I have those days where I just don't want to get out of bed, but the vast majority of it, it's, all right, new day, what's going on? What's the new level of chaos on the global scale? Let's get to it. So. Have you got a sort of religious or spiritual outlook on it? Like what is it, what has he's done for your view of humanity? I am not of any religion. I believe that, I guess the best way to explain it is I believe that the universe or God, you know, is, an intelligent, I believe that the universe is an intelligent entity that wants us, you know, helping and supporting and healing each other, that it doesn't want us hurting. It doesn't want us, it doesn't want its children hurting. And the universe itself wants its children to flourish and prosper and do well. And it doesn't like what's happening to the children right now. And whether that's God or something else, but that's more or less my view on it. And I believe in karma. believe that what goes around comes around. And I believe in reincarnation. Yeah, so your view is on horrific things like this, that there is ultimately sort of divine consequences for them that will play out over time. Yes, I think that unfortunately while their horrors are going on, they are able to get out of their consequences, but due to the natural cycles of the universe, there's going to be fluctuations of good and bad always, and when good takes back over, their karma will be done. Yeah. And if you looked into, you know, the, I'm sure you have like the deeper history, because correct me if I'm wrong, but like child sacrifice and sex trafficking in whatever form it took, you know, is an ancient tradition. It's not new. I mean, I'm Christian, you read the Bible, there's enough of that going on throughout ancient civilizations. You think that sort of how much have you looked into that? what aspects? Any specific aspects or just a child sacrifice in general? yeah, like, I mean, the child sacrifice and the pedophilia and all this that this seems to be, I mean, a lot of that seems to be sort of spiritual and religious in a way that there are there are religious cults that actually do this because they think there's, you know, benefits for them. And they think that from what I understood back then is they believed that there was some kind of pure energy that came from the children, a different kind of energy and stuff like that. Like, for example, in my case when I was younger, they got me good. They actually made me believe that the abuse was love. They would tell me to show so and so how much I love them. Mm. So for me, wasn't like I didn't process it as abuse, you know, as a much younger child. So the energy that they're going to get from, from that kind of child who does those types of things in, like, if I do this, I'm showing how much I'm loving them compared to, you know, a child who's being, you know, crying and screaming and all that kind of stuff is going to be a different energy and all that kind of stuff as well. So it's, it's. Yeah. And so what's life now you've got? it one daughter? Yeah. Are you still married or not married anymore? Technically, I've never been married. I've just been with my husband for 17 years. So I say I'm married, but we don't plan on getting married for a myriad of reasons. One of them being, you know, due to my history, I don't know if something can come out of me at any moment, something that I can't control. So I want my husband to be able to take my daughter and leave if something that I can't control. starts coming out. Yeah. Have you, how do you deal, like is there ongoing like depression and psychological issues that need treatment or like, or do you try to stay away from any sort of, you know, pills or drugs or, I mean, how do you deal with that level of trauma and try to live normally? Well, I mean, I'm lucky where I, I've been able to stay together mentally. so the point that, you know, when I was being held political prisoner, they required me to get on medications. I got out, I started to, saw an independent therapist, somebody, know, somebody separate than what they wanted me to see. and we were able to get me off the medications and, I also, and actually last week. we talked about it and she actually recommended and said that she believed that it would be okay to cut me down from my weekly therapy sessions down to bi-weekly therapy sessions back to every other week. So, so my therapist seems to think that I'm doing well. overall, I mean, the biggest, the biggest, I guess, medication I use right now is I use cannabis to kind of keep myself stable and all that kind of stuff. But. Yeah. Other than that, you know, just trying to embrace the good moments and, you know, deal with the punches as they come, but the look on the bright side. Yeah. What do you, what do you get the most joy out of when you're sort of away from doing what you're doing in campaigning? Have you got a little escape that you do that, brings you joy now? bringing my daughter out somewhere she can run around and have fun. Yeah. Yeah, what's it like now being a parent? my favorite thing for... I'm pardon? It must be such a crazy experience to be a parent now having seen the worst in parenting your whole life. Like, I'm assuming, I'm guessing you want the total opposite for your daughter. I try, I try my hardest. Unfortunately, I feel terrible because I do a lot of advocating work. So I'm not able to be there as much as I want to for her. But she's very, very smart. She knows, I tell her, mommy's work is bringing children home to their parents, bringing kidnapped children home to their families. And when I tell her that, this is who I work with or that kind of stuff, she's like, you bring children home to their families. You know, she understands, she understands why I'm working so hard and why, you know, I'm always, you know, busy. But like, for example, my birthday, you know, I don't want to do anything for me. I want to bring Iris somewhere that she can just run around and have fun. So we're going to go to like a little indoor water park for my birthday. So that way she can have fun. But yeah, no, it's pretty much my life is, I joke around that I'm working almost 24 hours a day because I will wake up, work, and sometimes even when I go to sleep at night, I'm having a podcast playing in the background. Yeah. Have you, um, have you had much support from interesting people? has there been, has there been sort of high profile people or groups that have reached out and tried to amplify what you're doing or bring down the sort of system that they're a part of? No, the not really, no, I've gotten far more support from independent content creators. I've really not heard anything from anybody big. I mean, I've even contacted the DOJ, the FBI, know, various government agencies. The only thing I've heard back from any of them, the only way I've been approached by any of them was when CPS told me to stop talking. Yeah, well. And so there hasn't been any shift in that now with the latest administration despite. I haven't heard anything from them. Not since, I haven't heard anything from them since I got my daughter back, since I've been home. Nothing. Yeah. Has there been any other sort of Epstein Island victims that have had any sort of platform or is your story consistent with all of them that no one's really been given any sort of interview space or time with? Well, I know that there are quite a few survivors who have come forward. know that there's one young woman who literally her whole thing is interviewing survivors and all that kind of stuff. So I know there are a lot of survivors who've come forward. I don't know how many of them have been to Epstein Island. So I don't know, you know, I can't really speak for what they remember or anything, but I have not spoken to any other Epstein Island survivors. I've spoken with other survivors in general. but not Epstein Island. Yeah. And what about the whole Diddy stuff? Do you think that's just much of the same? Or is it different? Is it connected? honestly, I'm... Yeah, I think it's more of the same stuff. It's just... It's them... I think it's whoever's trying to expose this, slowly showing how far out this web goes and like letting it, letting, you know, people see how far this extends and all that kind of stuff. So, we'll see if anything comes of it. Yeah. What is your view on it? I think you answered before and I think it's the right answer for one's mental state that, you you remain optimistic, but not, you know, you're not wetting yourself to any particular outcome happening. What do you, you know, use the term cautiously optimistic. Yeah. So what do you think, like just objectively based on everything that you've experienced and you've lived, you know, so deeply in this over the last eight years and you described as night and day, like it clearly is more mainstream now what's happened than it was eight years ago. What do you think, what's your gut feel tell you what's ahead with it? What are the next few years look like with all this stuff? gosh, I don't like to predict the future. That's not my thing at all. What I'm hoping is that I'm hoping that the next few years are pretty much spent setting up the next generations of, if Trump is going to expose this kind of stuff and if it's really going to happen, then I hope that the next few years is spent setting up the next generations of MAGA to make sure we're able to keep on the momentum that we have. to sure that the child trafficking is stopped, to make sure that it's cleaned up, to make sure there's transparency and accountability, because it can't all be done in four years. I'm hoping that something solid will be set up so that we can really have a system where traffickers in general are held accountable. Yeah, well, let's hope so. Well, Jen, I've really appreciated you coming on. This has been one of the more probably intense stories that I've had someone share and the way you've been able to do it sort of openly and, you know, doing it for a greater cause as hard as it must be to relive some of these experiences. I totally commend you for that. And hopefully I can do a small part in telling your story and helping your advocacy. anyone listening, where should I point them to to go and follow up and hear from you and what you're doing? I am most active on x.com. So my username is x.com slash CT survivor 17 CT as in child trafficking survivor 17. I'm also on truth social. I think that one's true social.com slash Jennifer Guskin. Fantastic. Well, I'll put those details in the show notes and I'll let you get back to the work you're doing. Thanks again, Jen, and I hope we can stay in touch. And thank you. Thank you so much for everything. Thank you to your viewers who are watching this and listening and to thank you to all of you who are helping to build awareness and fighting. It's because of you that we are finally going to be able to get transparency and accountability. So thank you so much. Amen to that. Thanks so much, Jen. Hey, I'm just gonna hit stop.