Forget Memorization. Find Your Flow. (bonus)

What happens when “memorize it” kills your aliveness?

In this bonus episode, speaker and leader Kurt Uhlir shares how forcing a script spiked his stress, shut down vulnerability, and flattened his presence — and how returning to flow changed everything. We unpack small-room freakouts, the body’s signals (hello, stress across the chest), and the simple reframe that turns fear into fuel. Then we put it all into practice with a live coaching moment using my Intend • Align • Invite framework. If you’ve ever felt over-scripted, under-present, or stuck between nerves and excitement, this one’s your permission slip to speak wild, untamed, and radiant — without losing real-world impact.

Takeaways

1. Flow beats memorization for authentic presence and impact.
2. The body tells the truth: stress across the chest often signals “vulnerability closed.”
3. Treat speaking like a conversation, not a soliloquy (improv > recitation).
4. Counterintuitive truth: small rooms can trigger more nerves than arenas for some people.
5. Fear and excitement feel the same in the body; label it excitement or scare-citement to channel energy.
6. Your “worst talk” can reveal emotional triggers — and your path back to presence.
7. Quick framework for Zoom & stage: Intend • Align • Invite (set the vibe, embody it, welcome them into it).

Soul Sucker Quiz

Take the Soul Sucker Quiz to learn which Soul Sucker screams the loudest in your mind so you can release them from being in charge and set your voice free!

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Chapters

• 0:00 Meet Kurt
• 1:23 First big stage: Flow > memorization
• 5:43 When scripting spikes stress (and shuts vulnerability)
• 9:59 Improv mindset: SNL, Second City & mastery
• 16:28 Fear vs. excitement: the athlete’s reframe
• 19:07 Worst speaking moment (and what it revealed)
• 21:21 Best moment: impact that ripples beyond the room
• 26:10 Framework: Intend • Align • Invite (Zoom & stage)
• 33:55 Pivot Pivot: Fun lightning round questions

Transcript

Lauri: 0:32

Hey everybody, welcome back to the Soulful Speaking podcast. My guest today is Kurt Euler. Among many other things, Kurt is a sought-after speaker on servant leadership, high-performing teams, and modern marketing strategy. He's got 200 plus talks in just his last executive role. And as a speaker, he blends vulnerability with real-world execution insights, inspiring audiences to lead with humility, build meaningful relationships, and scale with purpose. Kurt, welcome.

Kurt: 1:11

Thank you for having me.

Lauri: 1:12

Yeah. I love to dive right in. So let's get straight to it and start at the beginning. Where did your speaking journey first begin?

Kurt: 1:23

It first started actually as part of a corporate career back in probably 2005 or 2006. I had a CEO who was the former uh president of Disney theme parks. We were at a software and technology company, and I had an idea about how I could uh substantially grow the company, but completely different than our business line. And he basically said, Hey, here's a private uh here's a here's a private apartment code you can build things to. You've got a $150,000 budget, keep your day job and go figure it out. And we started getting some big traction. And the first speaking opportunity I had was in front of 500 people at a large video game conference speaking about where I saw things going.

Lauri: 2:02

And how did that first one feel for you?

Kurt: 2:07

Uh at that size, that that one felt very that one felt good. There was enough people in the audience that um it wasn't real to me. I didn't so I didn't have the stress or um the the freak out that you sometimes get with smaller groups or bigger groups for different people. Um, but I actually don't remember at all like what actually came out of my mouth. People seemed happy, but I have no idea what I actually said.

Lauri: 2:35

Sometimes that's a sign that we're so deeply present in the moment, like in flow state that we cannot remember. And sometimes it's a sign that we're actually sort of having more of an out-of-body experience. If you were to hazard a guess, which which experience do you think you had with that first one?

Kurt: 2:57

That first one I think I was much more in the flow state. I hadn't got yet gotten to the uh good and the bad of uh getting real direction because I only had about a day and a half to prep for it. Where uh I, for me, I got poor advice, which was uh to memorize my speech and have everything kind of nailed down to the exact word, which we may get into, uh, was not a good place for me to be at. So I think I was much more at flow state speaking about a topic um and a vision that I saw was going to be transformative for the industry and has been, but not something that was concrete enough where it had to be a specific exact order of events either.

Lauri: 3:33

Yeah, yeah. I can feel the connection to your why, as Simon Sinek would put it, like between you've got this vision, you've got this idea and an intention and a real sense of purpose, and letting that drive completely, which I always think we need to have that in order to really be vibrant and alive from head to toe and honoring our values and doing it in only the way we can. I do not recommend that people recogn uh memorize their whole speech in case you're new to the Soulful Speaking podcast and you're listening. And I am finding myself curious about what happened when you tried to implement that advice.

Kurt: 4:22

Yeah, that worked very poorly for me. Um, I think for a few reasons. One is is I'm guessing from the guidance you give people, it's usually not the most productive way, even though Toastmasters and even National Speakers Association tends to say people come up with their signature speech and like practice it over and over where it is repeatedly the same. Um, and I don't understand because the the best speakers I know, every time they deliver their signature speech, it's going to feel different and unique. But for me, um I've been really good academically and in schooling and in 11 different industries, but there's one skill that I do not have in anything, which is actually a huge benefit to me, is I cannot memorize anything. I I can remember specific details two weeks later of things that nobody would remember. But if you actually give me anything and say, hey, I'll give you a million dollars if you memorize this list of 20 things in the next week, I probably couldn't do it. And so for me, being told that I needed to memorize that, as I tried to do that in quite a few uh corporate settings and then paid speaking things later, it just raised my stress level to the point that I did not want to do anymore, even though I was getting paid well for it. And it was brutally painful on the recordings that I had. Thankfully, there wasn't a whole lot of uh video recordings then, but I did have audio recordings of everything.

Lauri: 5:43

Yeah. When you say it was brutally painful, how how did it feel in your body emotionally, energetically, when you were trying to do it from memorization?

Kurt: 5:56

Yeah, uh kind of like I was running into a brick wall in a lot of ways, because I had kind of given the uh advice that said not only do you have to memorize uh the specific words, but the specific order. And I do think story arcs are important, but um I think much more now in terms of major chapter headings and maybe some uh you know a single bullet underneath each one of those. And so if I got onto a tangent where I was reading somebody's face in the audience, so I embellished a little more, which may have had me move elsewhere in my story, of which was still to a point I want to talk. I felt like I ran into a wall and that everybody watched me do it because as if everybody had the outline to my talk ahead of time. And they all just went, and and I didn't I didn't know at that time where I was uh feeling stress, I now notice I tend to feel my stress the most across my chest. Where like if you ask my six-year-old son, he'll say he feels stress right here and up at the front. But for me, I'm gonna feel it across my chest and it only then radiates out from there.

Lauri: 6:57

Yeah, and if you feel it across your chest and you're you're known now or you know now that your vulnerability is one of your greatest gifts, if you're feeling the stress across your chest, you're actually probably hardening and closing that gift of yours off rather than leaning into it.

Kurt: 7:18

Yes. And and because I it was creating this stress that didn't need to be there, the ums and ahs and uh breaks and unintentional pauses where they're not helpful, even though pauses can be helpful, they would come out and amplify so much more because I was creating stress that wasn't actually there or present.

Lauri: 7:39

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um, I have a background in theater, I see huge parallels between speaking and theater and film. And that of course means I know what it what it would actually take to memorize something that is, let's say, 45 to 75 minutes long, or even 10. A 10-minute long monologue, if you're in the theater, is an incredibly long amount of time. And if you're doing a one-person show that's 45 minutes to 75 minutes, it takes so much work because you have to in theater to learn the character and then also learn to deliver it as if it's happening fresh in that moment. We go to school for many, many years to learn how to do all of that, and there's still a wide range within live theater of who's really great at memorizing and truly looking as if it's coming to them fresh in the moment. Then there's also something like Saturday Night Live, where they improvise to create something, and then they've got bullet points that are pretty detailed backstage of what was it that we improvised? What are the major mile markers that we know we need to hit? And they are allowed to re-improvise it again rather than memorizing it word for word like a play. And when you see people on Saturday Night Live cracking up at another character, part of the reason they're cracking up is that something happened slightly different than it ever happened in rehearsal. And it really sounds like that's part where you shine and how you're built is to have the moments with the audience, your scene partner, where you go off and then you know what the major mile marker is, or you can look at the notes on the slide presentation and find your way back. Really treating the whole experience as a conversation from what do you want me to speak about? Let's start in conversation. And then when you're doing it, their half of the conversation is more silent a lot of the time. And it's still, it's not a soliloquy, it's a conversation.

Kurt: 9:59

Yeah, very much for me. I uh it's funny you mentioned like um uh Saturday Night Live. So I used to live on the same block as Second City in Chicago, which is where so many of the Saturday Night Live um uh actors came from. And so like every Tuesday, and I think it was Saturday nights after their last show, they would open up for just the neighborhood and come and just hang out. And as long as as long as they uh they were having fun, they would continue going. So they would guarantee to do like a 30 to 45 minute just open. But there were several nights we would keep them there at two or three o'clock in the morning because once you've been there a few times at that point in the neighborhood, you're like, what can I throw out when they have topics to possibly either make them enjoy it more or to throw them off their game? At which point, to your point, that's just fun for me. Well, I try to do it well. I'm always amazed if when I'm in the room with somebody where I feel like I have not even begun to touch what like true mastery looks like. It was about three months ago. Um, uh Les, Les Brown, one of the number one, number two, you know, most uh I guess largest names in motivational speaking, is based here in Georgia, member of our local uh NSA chapter, came and talked. And so he gave about 45 minutes of kind of just a private teaching to those of us that were in the room. Wow, that's a flow state and being able to just go straight into something that I didn't even know was possible.

Lauri: 11:18

I'm betting you admire it because you have it in you.

Kurt: 11:23

I think I do at some point. Um, but even somebody to watch like him, who I, you know, who knows how many hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people he has spoken in front of, he still gave the talk about the first time he had his largest talk uh at the time where he'd spoken to a couple of dozen people at a time, and he walks into, I think it was a Georgia Dome. There's tens of thousands of people. And this is 30 or 40 years later, and he's still crying as he's telling the story because it's so emotional for him to walk in. Just as he starts to walk up and says, wait a second, like I thought I was gonna go talk to 15 people. What do you mean there's 45,000 people out there? I'm not going out there. He's still crying because of where it's at. I'm like, oh my gosh, if that's the emotions you have now, what did you have when you actually did it in real life? But you still did it and got through it, and it was incredible.

Lauri: 12:11

Yeah. You brought up numbers. I remember that you mentioned that when you're in front of thousands of people, you're all good. And sometimes it's more the range of nine to 30 people that's your personal freakout zone. Can you tell us about one of your most challenging nine to thirty people talks?

Kurt: 12:40

Yeah, my biggest nine to thirty people talks, it's um in the boardroom. I don't, it doesn't come up as much. I still am aware of it in that time frame, but um there's a lot of posturing and flow state that just comes in at board presentations and a lot more questions back and forth. For me, it's um the the ones that come up the biggest have been when it's at kind of nine to thirty uh range, and it's people that I work with. And so they're not necessarily like uh like weekly status meetings, but there's something bigger than that where we're getting together. Virtual is a little bit worse for me than actually in person as well. And I know the people, uh, most of the people, if not all the people in the room, actually report to me. And for some reason, that actually mentally, I think, makes me feel like I'm on a pedestal and gets me into a freak out, as if like I can almost picture the pedestal being smaller and I'm concerned about falling off of it to some degree, and everybody who watched this happen. And and I can work my way through it, but only if I actually make myself leading up to the meeting of that size, be very intentionally aware that that's how I'm going to feel in a few minutes. So I can almost have my freak out beforehand and to acknowledge where it's at and to say that fear is not real, and that allows me to put it to the side. But if I don't take that time ahead of time, like it like it will be bad, not just for my audience, but for me.

Lauri: 14:03

Yeah, yeah. Taking the time, I call our inner critics the soul suckers because they have a habit of sucking the soul out of our voices and shoving them in a closet and trying to pretend they're not there is not a very good strategy. Whereas what you're describing is you give them the chance to let you know what they're nervous about. And then the you with the intention and the sense of purpose is the one who takes the wheel after allowing those nervous parts to feel like they've been seen and heard.

Kurt: 14:40

Yes. And and I I try to find that time before, even if it's not in that kind of nine to thirty time uh frame, because things might be happening in my life and I don't realize it. And I want that to happen before I get up on stage or start speaking on something virtually so that I get to deal with it and my audience doesn't have to deal with it. And so the when you and I spoke before, like speaking in front of 4,000, 5,000, I think I've done as high as seven, maybe 8,000 people, usually no problem. But go back about 2021, I'm uh behind stage getting ready to step out for about 5,000 people on a stage for a large shareholder event. And my um we're waiting, actually, my daughter's three and a half now, so it was three and a half years ago because we're waiting for my uh her to be born. My wife had been in the hospital uh a long time with preclampsia. And so my wife and I had they had the conversation up until this certain time, I would go home, but after this time, she wouldn't even contact me if anything was going on because there's no way I could get back in time. Well, so I'm walking about to walk out to 5,000 people. Normally it would not have been a problem. And I took that little bit of time to go, all right, how am I feeling? And I realized, nope, I'm in mild freakout mode because I'm worried about my wife's health, worried about my baby girl's health. And it was almost as if I was going to step into a private meeting with 27 people that worked for me. And so I literally just found a quiet spot behind some more of the all the lights and uh knobs that you have behind these large uh places to find a place for me to freak out. I I pulled it together within about two minutes of walking up on stage. Um, and which was great, my friend Curtis, who is the MC, he caught me. He was like, Are you okay? I'm like, I'm good now. And he he could see in my eyes, he goes, You weren't just a few minutes ago, but you're fine now.

Lauri: 16:28

Yeah, yeah. Leaning into the freak out. I love that. Um I can imagine you, you know, like standing in a corner moving, rather than standing in a corner pretending to be fine, having a like, oh, I'm freaking out, actually moves moves all that energy so that it feels more like you've already started by the time you start.

Kurt: 16:51

Yeah, I'm also keenly aware of I was a college athlete in three sports, and so I still remember um my first, I was a runner, and so the the the first cross-country meet, my coach freaked out because I mean, five, six minutes before it started, um, he sees me off off on the side throwing up. And he is like, and I came back, and of course he's like, like, this is bad for electrolytes and all sorts of other reasons. I'm like, I'm good now. This is what happens before a major event. It happened before every state meet I ever did. And so he got used to watching this. Kirk's gonna probably throw up and just have this physical freak out. But that was a physical symptom I had at that time, but it wasn't because I was actually fearful. For me, I was so excited about what was to happen. And so I'm keenly aware of that, like to our bodies physically, fear and excitement feels the exact same. And so by taking that time, not only do I let the energy kind of come up, and so I can be aware of it, but it allows then my brain to say, yes, this would feel the same, whether or not physically, whether or not it is fear or excitement. So I'm going to choose to consider it excitement. That allows me to then funnel it into a flow when I go out on stage.

Lauri: 18:00

Yeah, I love that. I I try to help people do that myself. And if they can't fully get to excitement, we'll use words like nerve sightement or scare citement to honor that both things, depending on what part of you is labeling all that sensation, both things can be true at the same time. And then eventually the shift to, oh, now I recognize it as excitement. And also, one of the one of the people considered to be one of the best actors of all time, uh, Lawrence Olivier, reportedly used to throw up before every single performance.

Kurt: 18:38

Oh, nice.

Lauri: 18:39

And he was the best in the world when he was alive, and he was still throwing up because energy needed to move. So he just five minutes to places, okay, excuse me, run to the bathroom, come back, and that energy is moving. I would love to hear your what you feel was your worst ever public speaking moment, as well as your best ever public speaking moment.

Kurt: 19:08

My worst speaking moment was not a paid gig. Um, my dad, uh, my dad became an elder in a church, and I was asked to come and uh speak for that. And I had planned 10 to 12 minutes to talk, and I have to I'd have to look back at the recording because I did record it. I think I finished it in a little less than three minutes. It was as I mean, I I don't even know how I spoke as fast as I did. And I did not take the time to pause ahead of time as we've been talking about. Uh looking back emotionally, I should have, because my dad and I also had a very negative relationship in a lot of ways. And so there's so many things I can look back and go, I should have realized how I was going to feel emotionally. When I I recall, though, not only looking at the time as I was stepping down from the podium, but I also recall seeing everybody was almost like this. And the uh pastor who was kind of MCing it that night said something to along the lines of that was a lot of information. We have a lot to think about. And I realized that was probably the worst thing that like conveying, like he was trying to make it sound good, but he was confirming everything that I knew had just happened.

Lauri: 20:27

I've been there. Um, I I believe so. I have two quizzes. One of them is the speaker alter ego mask quiz. Uh, and I am my top of my own quiz is the deranged mannequin. I see that that was yours as well. And that that, like, you know, there's so much passion or so much energy shooting out the front of the body, that look of people looking like cartoon characters with big eyes and their hair blown back. I have seen that so many times myself. Whenever something feels really important, and I'm either trying to outrun judgment, boredom, or to prove myself. And I feel like I have to prove myself, which is really proving myself to myself, really, really, really quickly.

Kurt: 21:20

Yeah.

Lauri: 21:21

Yeah.

Kurt: 21:21

Well, uh, so that was probably the worst. And you asked about the best. The I've had a lot of really good in-person ones, but I what probably stands out as the best feeling to me was I had a corporate client, Fortune 100 company, that I was doing a, they had a this was during COVID, and they were doing a private or they were doing a corporate conference just for their employees around the world. And so I gave a keynote to them. As part of a lot of my keynotes, I'll give a survey afterwards to ask. And I was uh approached to speak about servant leadership, but also very much given the wording of we don't, for a variety of reasons, and they did tell me the reasons, we don't like that term within the company. So we'd like it to be portrayed as creating high-performing teams and not leading with authority. And I gave a survey, I so I had a survey link afterwards, and there was three, four thousand people that were on this uh virtual event, and I had over a thousand people fill them out. Um, and then what was great was I had managers and directors of divisions come back to me for months later commenting about how people were still talking about it, and it they were seeing the change in themselves and their teams from trying to implement things.

Lauri: 22:33

That just gave me chills. It's it's so fun when we actually get to see the impact beyond the room, see feel the impact in the quote unquote room. And then every once in a while we get that kind of like this is how it continued to ripple through their lives later. We don't often see it. We kind of have to hope and imagine that that's happening. So, how fun that you got to see it. Yeah. Again, that's you being in conversation and coming back to the conversation with the survey, even after it's over. You mentioned that speaking virtually is the hardest for you. I also understand that you're willing to do a little bit of coaching. And I think it might be fun to have you do 60 seconds of the beginning of something and then play a little bit together.

Kurt: 23:27

Okay. So let's talk about leadership. Or what I think we're going to uncover here is that many of you aren't leaders, you're barely managers if that. And so I say that because I think too many people complicate leadership. For me, leadership fundamentally is either you're an authoritative leader, which is at the end of the day, says you can do things the way I say it, the exact timing that I say it, and not ask too many questions, or at the end of the day, you're fired. Or there's a servant leadership approach, which says, look, the moment I hired you, I'm actually not hiring you to do something. I'm hiring you to accomplish business outcomes for me. And when I take that approach, what it starts to realize was even if you're the nicest person, the nicest boss that person's ever had, at the end of the day, you're still leading by authority and a threat of firing, you're not actually leading them. The case is you're managing them with fear.

Lauri: 25:20

Awesome. That was about 50 seconds. And I love it when you just stop when it feels like the arc is over. Um, what is something that you loved about that first one? And what, if anything, did you feel like you wished it was different in some way?

Kurt: 25:37

Uh I wish I had just a little bit more time to think about it. That was uh usually cut a little bit after an intro that I'll have kind of setting up the tone uh where I can speak to who the people are that's in the room. Um but I like being able to just kind of to rift from something that every time I would give that, it would be fundamentally different, but yet still the same major talking points.

Lauri: 25:59

Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for jumping right in. It for people listening, the surprise sort of mimics what you might feel if it were real, instead of, hey, I'm just talking a lore. You know, it gives you a little bit of the fire of the nerves of possibly even the nine to thirty people zone that is not your favorite or being on Zoom. So I love to give people a framework of intend, align, invite. We did a little bit of the intention before we started, which is how do you want the audience to feel by the time you're done talking? It could be an emotion word, it could be an energy word. If you boiled that down to one word or a short phrase, what would your intention be?

Kurt: 26:53

Imagining possibilities or imagining change.

Lauri: 26:57

Great. A line is aligning your body, your breath, and your energy with that intention. So you're sort of embodying the possibility and with our most expressive self so that the breath is supporting the words so that they come across differently, like the difference between Madonna and Lady Gaga, there's more resonance in the Lady Gaga version, and the energy is that uh hugging the room. And when we're on Zoom, what I notice happening for some people is that awareness follows our eye contact. So if we're looking at a device that's only a foot and a half away from our face, sometimes we get smaller. So if you can see my face, see any faces on the screen when you're speaking, and the depth of the room behind them. And then also, even though you might have eye contact with my face on the screen or any of the people on the screen, be aware of your whole room so that your energy is a little bit more like yours is when you are in the 100 to 7,000 sweet spot that you love so much. I can see that.

Kurt: 28:21

Yeah, I mean, I I I love you using the stage to walk. Uh, it also helps me speak slower because I'm very physically aware of my cadence from a walking perspective. And so if I was ever, if I'm ever somewhere where the mic is stationary, it's it's worse for me because I have to be so much more aware of my timing as opposed to when I'm walking or using my hands. That physical awareness I'm keenly aware of, which automatically puts everything else in sync. And I'm almost never moving when uh, you know, not my feet. There are times, but like at least at this house at our other house, sometimes I do have a room I can move around with and be mic'd on, but here I don't have big of a room to be able to move with.

Lauri: 29:06

Yeah, it's uh I'm starting to think of the difference between stage and film. And what I hear is you're talking, or what I'm imagining, is that sometimes when you move, it's to go connect to someone on the right side of the audience more deeply. So you put walking over to them behind that, you have a moment with that side of the crowd, and then you go back to the center, and then you move to the other side. So I'm also wondering when there's someone more here than just me, if you if you're not saving the video for future use, if you really are able to look at some of the face boxes on the screens that we all know so well, it's like um on stage, crossing the stage is your blocking. And that might become taking a drink of water in a film thing. Everything becomes smaller. So if your impulse that would be, I'm gonna cross the stage to connect more deeply with this person, it becomes I'm gonna look at this box down and to the right, and then I'm gonna look back up at the one up near the center, and then look over there so that you're sort of channeling those organic impulses that you have and making them screen-sized when you can't stand and walk around the room.

Kurt: 30:24

I can see that.

Lauri: 30:25

Yeah. The last thing inviting is inviting people underneath the words into that intention, that possibility that you mentioned. So it's like the conversation underneath the conversation. And I know you're very good at this from what you've talked about. And on Zoom, it can be harder because sometimes you get every single face has just their name up and you can't see them. So there's a bit of if you can see some faces, listen to their nonverbal half of the conversation as you do when you're live. If you can't see the faces, can you start to imagine what the faces might be doing so that your timing leaves room in this awkwardness of I'm not going to give you my face? Are you willing to do it again and play with the intention that inviting them into the vibe of that intention? And then the Aligned breath and energy, kind of holding a bigger room and do it one more time. Sure.

Kurt: 31:41

Give it a shot.

Lauri: 31:42

All right. Ready when you are.

Kurt: 31:45

All right. Thank you all for coming today as we talk about leadership, or as I think what some of us will uncover, not actually leading, but barely managing, or maybe even managing based on fear. Even though you may feel like you're the nicest person that your team has ever had, has ever had the ability to work for, they may say, Yeah, you're the nicest boss they've ever had. But at the end of the day, if at the there's this fear where your employees believe that if they don't do what you say in the way that you say to do it, in the time frame, that they're going to be fired. Or if something comes up like elder care or something happens and they're less productive for a week or two that they may be concerned for their job. That's completely different than what I view as true leading that says, look, I'm not hiring people to do a set of tasks. You don't want people to do a set of tasks. You may think that's what you hired them, but you've actually hired those people, I would guess, to help you reach a business outcome. And probably not just in the next seven days, but different things over three months and six months and 12 months. So are you fine trying to find a way? Do you feel like you're finding a way to help serve those people so that they actually can reach those outcomes?

Lauri: 32:52

Great. Thank you. How did the second one feel different from the first one?

Kurt: 32:57

Uh better, a little bit more meandering for me, but uh could also be that I'm just kind of riffing as well. So trying to have that perception around walk the room a little bit.

Lauri: 33:06

Yeah, yeah. And every time somebody throws a new curveball, sometimes it's you know, it throws you a little bit this way, and then you integrate both and you come back. Thank you so much for jumping in and doing that. If people want to reach out to you and go deeper into a conversation with you about servant leadership, where can they reach you?

Kurt: 33:29

My personal website at Kurt Euler U-H-L-I-R.com, or you can just type Kurt Euler Leadership into Google and you'll get things that I've written, people have written about some of my keynotes, so it's not always just my viewpoint of things, but my website's the best way to find me.

Lauri: 33:43

Fantastic. And now it's time to slide into our pivot pivot. Kurt, what is your favorite word?

Kurt: 33:54

Um, consistency.

Lauri: 33:57

What is your least favorite word?

Kurt: 34:00

Automation.

Lauri: 34:03

What turns you on creatively, spiritually, or emotionally?

Kurt: 34:08

Uh connections with people.

Lauri: 34:12

What turns you off?

Kurt: 34:15

Uh authority.

Lauri: 34:17

What's your favorite cuss word? I don't know if I have one.

Kurt: 34:22

I really don't.

Lauri: 34:24

There it's equal equal opportunity cussing.

Kurt: 34:27

Yeah, yeah. Strategic strategic cursing.

Lauri: 34:31

What sound or noise do you love?

Kurt: 34:35

Um the sound of a uh horse running.

Lauri: 34:40

What sound or noise do you hate?

Kurt: 34:46

That's a great question. Uh an uh an airplane engine. I've spent way too much time in airplanes.

Lauri: 34:54

What profession other than yours would be fun to try?

Kurt: 34:59

Being a full-time rancher.

Lauri: 35:03

And what profession would you not like to try?

Kurt: 35:09

Uh being an artist, a sculptor, or a painter.

Lauri: 35:14

And what do you hope people say about you on your 100th birthday?

Kurt: 35:20

I'm glad that I knew him.

Lauri: 35:24

Well, I am glad that I know you. Thank you so much for coming on the show today and for being so vulnerable as you always are.

Kurt: 35:34

Thank you for having me.

Lauri: 35:36

All right. And if you are someone who loves this episode, loved the conversation, enjoy deep conversations about soulful speaking like this, please listen again, like, rate it, share with a friend, and all that stuff. And I will be back next week.