Soul First: How to Build a Business That Feels Like Freedom

What does it take to build a global movement of 14,000 people — across 48 countries and six continents — without a single dollar of advertising? Ask Camille Miller.

Camille is the founder of the Soul Professional Movement, a three-time Amazon bestselling author, and a former nonprofit executive turned visionary entrepreneur. In this conversation, she and Lauri go deep on the quiet revolution happening inside mission-driven leaders: the shift from control to sovereignty, from reacting to responding, and from strategy to embodied presence.

We talk about ego at 22 vs. ego at 58. About filing for divorce and discovering that not every action deserves a response. About why working harder isn't what fills your pipeline — and what does. About the moment Camille realized she'd spent years trying NOT to be the face of her own company, and why the world had other plans.

If you're a mission-driven entrepreneur who's ever felt like the old business playbook wasn't built for you — this one's for you.

Takeaways

1. Hyper-independence can look like drive from the outside and feel like control from the inside — and unlearning it is part of the leadership journey.
2. Not every action deserves a response. Sometimes choosing silence is a leadership skill, not a weakness.
3. Your personal life and professional life are one life. The lessons don't stay in their lane — they bleed through, and that's where the real growth lives.
4. The inner work produces the outer results. Rewiring how your brain relates to what's possible is a business strategy.
5. Space is productive time. Walking, biking, driving, being near water — these aren't breaks from the work, they're where the answers come.
6. Vision holding is a job. Not everyone is a visionary, and being the one who holds the frequency for others is its own form of leadership.
7. Structure can stop your creativity. The most innovative people often aren't the ones who followed the traditional path.
8. We are our brand. The future of work is fractional, sovereign, and individual — and the soul professional lives at that leading edge.
9. People magnetize to your personal energy before they buy into your business. Embodying your mission isn't soft — it's the strategy.

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Transcript

Where Camille's leadership journey began

Lauri 0:32

Hello and welcome back to the Untamed Leader podcast. My guest today is Camille Miller. She is the founder and visionary behind the soul professional movement. She's also a three-time Amazon best-selling author, and her work explores the intersection of purpose, business, and leadership. Now that I've wet your appetite with that, we're going to save the rest of her story for the episode to reveal. Welcome, Camille.

Camille 0:58

Oh, thank you, Lori, for having me.

Lauri 1:01

Yeah, I'm so excited. I love to start at the very beginning. So my first question is where did your leadership journey first begin?

How she led differently at 22 vs. 58

Camille 1:15

Hmm. Well, my background is all in not-for-profit management. So I think that's why I've always done mission-driven work, always. I mean, since I came out of college with a with a psychology degree, and I was volunteering my time. And someone said, you know, you can get paid to work for a nonprofit. And that actually became my career when I was 22. I was like, You're kidding me? I can get paid to help people. Yeah. And uh, so that was really what I've done pretty much my whole life. I had a little real estate stint there for a while. Um, but it's been all around mission-driven work. And I think that really defined my leadership style because it was always in a way to help and serve others and to let other people rise. So in the nonprofit worlds, you're actually in the back, and you you lead from behind because you want your staff and your board and your volunteers and all of the other people giving their time and talent to be in front of you. Right. So that has become my leadership style.

Lauri 2:38

I love it. What how were you different as a leader at 22 than you are now?

What ego actually looks like — and where it hides

Camille 2:46

Uh, I have no ego now. Um, and not that I had a big ego, but I think as you get older, you get a lot wiser. So I think I'm the same leader in a number of ways. Like I've I've always really cherished everyone. I've always been very collaborative in everything. I'm not like a decision maker without a group. I still work in that group environment today. Um, but my ego's not there, right? It's if someone else doesn't excel, it's no longer my fault. Right. If I'm being the best person I can be in that moment and I'm doing all the right things, the outcome isn't on me all the time.

Lauri 3:30

Yeah. How what how was your ego? Because some people might hear the word ego and think of like puffed up, you know, that kind of I'm all the shit kind of ego. And it's more complex than that. Like sometimes our ego is beating ourselves up. How did your ego used to show up back at 22?

Camille 3:56

Yeah, so I was always bold, I was very competitive, but more with myself than others. Um, so I had all of that. I was always extremely driven. But I know and understand now that some of that was a trauma response of being hyper-independent. Right. And to be able to be a leader, you can't be hyper-independent, it has to be about everybody. Yeah. Um, so I don't think I was ever that leader that anyone was afraid of, or you know, I didn't really make bad decisions from an ego place. I was never that person. But like I said earlier, I think maturity, right? Because now I'm 58. So my maturity level has changed, and I understand that you know, my expectations sometimes have to be um managed better.

Lauri 5:00

Including it sounds like when you were hyper-driven, you were probably hardest on yourself. Yes, and your expectations of yourself were higher than anyone else. You probably worked more hours than everyone else.

Camille 5:13

I was, I worked, and I also loved it though, right? But I had to also take a break, and I don't think I like I work and work, and I do that today too. I work and I work and I work and I work, and I'm like, yeah, but I'm in my passion. I I'm loving it and forgetting sometimes to fill my own cup or step away. So yeah, I'm I still have that hyper focus driven. Um it's I'm different, but I don't know how to like I'm the same, but I'm different, I'm more mature, yeah. And I know that I don't have all the answers. And sometimes I do need to listen to others and let things go as they may, right? I can't control things, so I think that's the biggest difference. Yeah, I don't try to control all the outcomes, yeah. Now I don't try to control any. I'm just like, whatever happens, we'll see. The universe is making it happen.

Lauri 6:16

So yeah, which is you know, it's called untamed leader, and the ego leading or having a greater percentage in the leadership is more tamed. Yes, because the world tells us that you gotta have all the answers and your 97-step plan and all of that kind of stuff, and the you now who still has vision, still has passion, some of the things are the same, but more mature sounds like untamed leader. Yeah, what does the word untamed spark in you?

Divorce, control, and learning not to take the bait

Camille 6:53

Uh, not structured, is what I'm thinking, right? Just allowing things to be and hold the vision. So I've learned that I'm a visionary. My job is to hold the vision so others can get into it, right? And to hold that vision for others because that is really hard. Not everyone's a visionary, yeah, right, but holding that vision so everyone's buying into it is a job in itself, and I don't have to do all of the things, yeah.

Lauri 7:27

And you're so vibrant and alive and lit up as you talk about that part of it, it's uh untamed is also really radiant, yeah. How did you find your way there? Like there may have been moments of stumbling where you learned to let go and be the visionary and trust that you are now, yeah.

Camille 7:53

Um, like you like you said, I stumbled my way there. I think everyone does, right? It's one lesson after the other, after the next, after the next. And it's also growing of where I was in my life. So when um I was in a a long-term marriage where I literally had to control everything before it imploded, right? And I had three kids and I worked full-time and I was building a business, and I I did all of the things, right? And I was such in that ego and control space. And when I started to divorce, actually, just filing for divorce was helpful, and move in. I I learned that sometimes I'm reacting. That was probably my biggest thing. I'm reacting from a response of something that was coming from my ego, and that wasn't always the best way to do it. So I kind of learned that through the divorce process is not every action deserves a response. Right. Sometimes the best thing to do is not not respond. Yeah, right. And that kind of folded into other areas of my life, yeah. You know, building the company and even the kids, and you know, all of that was I don't have to respond to everyone else's response. Yeah, right. That's not on me, that's on them. And and I've learned through that experience, and I've been divorced for almost 10 years now, you know, and even the years after, which were very difficult, of um not having to react. And sometimes things just work themselves out or allow things to just be.

Triggers, pauses, and reclaiming your response

Lauri 9:47

Um it feels like the the divorce and the period after the divorce was a significant period of building the untamed muscles. Absolutely. We have habits and tendencies that we needed or they wouldn't have been created. They helped us in some way, absolutely, and then sometimes it's like, well, our muscle only knows how to lift the weight a certain way, and that's actually gonna hurt our metaphorical lower back, yeah. And you went through a period of cultivating different responses, including the phrase in my head as you're talking the whole time is not taking the bait. Yeah, yeah. That's you know, someone reacting, yeah. Someone is doing their habit that's gonna create a set of outcomes that is not the ones you want, and you choosing silence and no response, yeah, as your response.

Camille 10:55

Yeah, and of course it came with a lot of inner work that you know what which I feel like I'm still doing to this day, like it never ends, right? But all of that became a part of it. It's like when someone writes a nasty email, immediately writing something nasty back, but now this time you pause and you don't send it till tomorrow and you reread it, and maybe you rewrite it, and maybe you're like, okay, do I still feel like you're not in that hot moment?

Lauri 11:21

Yeah.

Camille 11:22

Right. And going through the divorce, I was in a lot of anger and and it was control and it was all of that, right? So coming to this other side of it was like, oh, well, now I can recognize that that's a trigger for me. And for years afterwards, even getting an email from the guy would trigger me. And I had to learn that okay, that's a trigger, I don't have to respond, right? And he no longer has control, yeah, right.

Lauri 11:52

Yeah, you took the trigger and the responsibility back, yeah, yeah, and the when you're in it, it's never any fun. And the feeling that I'm getting from you and that I've noticed a couple of times is in the trigger, I don't know about you, but I often feel very hot, like I've been set on fire by some like energetically set on fire. Yeah, yeah, to be clear, from something that someone else has sent my way, said to me, and the best thing that I can do is to just let it go first. Yeah. And in that, it's like things bubbling and burning away so that what's left is a more true, yes, closer to soul, higher self, wiser self version of us when we don't do the old thing. Because the old thing is like it like extinguishes the match or it does something else with it that isn't just letting it go.

Camille 13:00

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, and that takes maturity, time, uh, inner work. Right. So that's all a part of it. So I feel like for all of us, really, our personal life is dovetailed with our professional life because we're one person, right? So those lessons as I've learned them in my personal life obviously came out in my professional life. So I have that same quiet response now of just allowing things to be, and it's not really my responsibility. We'll see what happens, or you know, or or I have this really strong like everything happens for a reason. Let's let's hang out, see what that reason is. I'm here for a reason. What is that reason?

Lauri 13:52

Yeah, sometimes I have that, and sometimes I wish I could like plug into your patience because I'll know it, but I get impatient, like I want to see what the reason is now.

Bridging vision and 3D reality — what Camille does when it's hard

Camille 14:03

Yeah, well, I things don't always work out in the 3D timeline that we need, right? And I say a lot of my work because it's on the edge of that spiritual realm, does not always have a 3D response, like money in the bank account. And sometimes it's building the space before we see that result, and that is hard. That is hard, no matter where you are. That I still have a business to run, and a lot of us that bridge this gap right between the logical and the spiritual, like I do, it's tough. And I and I think right now, as we go into 2026, even 2025 was a difficult year, but 2026 is more about um um the frequency of each other and building up communities again, and and um it's it's going to be a different response, I think, that we're needing from everything, right?

Lauri 15:06

So yeah, we are all growing. How have you for yourself and people that you work with navigated that gap between seeing things like money in the bank account in the 3D and being the visionary? How do you balance those things for yourself and help other leaders, soul professionals, mission-driven people to do that?

Camille 15:35

Yeah. So the first thing is taking that step back to realize it's not always immediate. Nothing in building a business is, but I think when you're building around intention, it's even harder, right? Because you're really setting up a new culture and other people have to buy into it. Now I've been doing this for 10 years, but I feel like we constantly reinvent too. Right. Yeah, and I was very, very heavy in strategy, and that's my background, and I love business and I love strategy, and I love the numbers, and I, you know, love the programs, but I feel like the world has changed now, right? Uh and we have to actually embody it in our bodies, we have to feel it, it's very, very different of where we're going. Um, and I totally forgot what the question was that I was answering.

Slower work and creative flow

Lauri 17:39

How have you uh bridged the gap between like the vision and then the tangible reality in front of you? And you sparked, you know, my inner teenager in particular is like the impatient part of me where it goes, it does it just doesn't understand if it knows what could be, and I've taken a step. Why isn't it here yet?

Camille 18:05

Yeah, yeah, I think we all feel that, but you were asking about like when clients or people that I'm working with, it's really doing the inner work that produces the outer success and and still holding that vision of what is possible because when you target your brain on it, your brain is wired for safety, right? And when we tell our brain what we want and we're constantly saying it's coming, it's coming, right? Well, if we say it's coming, it's pushing it down the thing, but it's here, right? This is what I'm creating, I'm creating it now. And your brain actually starts to rewire, and all of a sudden the sales start to come in and the right people start to magnetize, but it's it's a way different way of learning how to do things, right? And our default is to go back. Well, if I work a little harder, I put out some more posts, I do some more marketing, I talk to more people, and I am and I am still very guilty of that. Very guilty of that. Um as we speak right now. I'm at my um parents' summer home that I grew up in. We've had it in the family for uh 42 years. And I'm I brought all my work with me and I'm working here, but I'm at a slower pace because this is where I relax. It's actually where I wrote my books, right? And I'm like, wow, I'm still doing my work, but I actually think differently down here than when I'm sitting in my office because all these things are coming at me, yeah. Right. And just taking the time now, like, huh? This is really interesting. Like, new things are coming, and my body feels different down here, and I feel very safe and very abundant, not really worried about the money, and I can hold the bigger vision than I can when I'm paying my bills sitting at my desk at home, right?

Lauri 20:05

We still have our bills to pay. Yeah, yeah. And you're reminding me decades ago when I was an executive assistant, I planned a president's club in Hawaii. So we were working from Hawaii, and I was like, it's amazing how slow we're moving and how we're still getting everything. It's like we're getting more done at a slower pace. Like whatever that movie is, The Highlander or something like that, where someone is chasing, and the person chasing is like moving, like they're moving through molasses, and the other people are running, and the slow chasing just keeps it felt like that, where it was like everything is really clear. I get it all done. The phrase don't sweat the small stuff had probably just come around. Yeah, and it was like, yeah, there's it's amazing how much faster everything goes when you're moving slower when you're not sweating all the small stuff.

Camille 21:08

Yeah. Yeah.

Lauri 21:10

And how do you take that back home with you?

Space as a business strategy: where the answers actually come from

Leading from the front AND leading from behind — Camille's dual role

Camille 21:13

I don't know yet. But actually, I thought about it this morning because every day I say I'm gonna go back home. And I just like called my sister because we're moving all the furniture out on Saturday. We sold the place, so we're moving it all out on Saturday. And I was like, I think I might stay because I'm like, why am I rushing home? Because I feel like I need to be there. There's nothing more there, right? And I was like, how do I bring this back home? And I'm like, maybe it's doing stuff that's not in my office. Like, even if I sat at the dining room table just to do something else, or here at uh it's also warmer here. Um, I'm getting up every morning like early, very early. I'm getting up, I'm I'm going to take walk, I'm taking walks at the beach. I work most of the day. Today I did take a break and took another walk. Um, and then at night before the sunsets, I go take a bike ride and I can watch the sunset. And then I come home, right? And I go to bed early. Um, I could actually do that exact same thing at home. Right. So actually, while I was here because I'm doing bike rides here, I was like, I should get a bike rack for my car because I could go to the trail and bike ride. Right here, I do it on the road, but at home it's not as safe on the road. So I bought a bike rack bac bike rack. So when I get home, I have other bikes there. Nice. I just have to do it. I think when you're like I'm in vacation mode, even though I'm working, but I'm but also when I give myself that space of being on a bike or taking a walk, I think about work, but it's more like it's flowing, like, oh wait, I can I know how to take care of that now, or let me make sure I make this conversation or this email or whatever it is. Yeah. Making space.

Lauri 23:14

Yeah. So different from the the mind trying to solve the problems, or even the mind, sometimes there's an edge of like, well, the mind is trying to solve the problem and it's doing it kind of from a scanning for danger place.

Camille 23:32

Yeah, yeah.

Lauri 23:32

And what you're describing is like there's space, so creativity flows in.

Camille 23:39

Yeah. Or they it's like uh when I drive, I get a lot of answers. When I go to the gym, I get a lot of answers, right? Hiking, like when I'm not in the doing, is when all the answers come. And that's actually still productive time. Yeah. But I think myself, as well with a lot of other ones, we forget that, right? And we don't fill our own cup up by doing these other things. But when we do, we're kind of solving other problems.

Lauri 24:06

Yeah. Right.

Camille 24:07

The answers come to us.

Lauri 24:09

I'm curious, you were a leader from behind at 22, and now you're a visionary, which, as you're talking, I feel like you're doing both leader from the front, where you're the face of the vision, and you don't do everything yourself. So step back and let some other people do it. Yeah. Does that ring true? And what other kinds of leaders have you noticed?

The soul professional — what it means and why it matters now

Camille 24:37

Um, so to answer the first part of the question, I am kind of that dual leader now, and I have had competing energies around that. And so I'm going into like another point of reinvention now and really leading because I stopped for a moment and said, if this was someone else's company, would I be leading it the same way? Right. If someone else hired me to be the CEO, I would run it differently. So I had to kind of go back and be like, okay, so that's the kind of company I should be running right now, and to hold the vision. It was never my intent to actually be the face of the company. And I've spent years trying not to be the face of the company. And in 2023, I decided to start to brand my name and like almost co-brand it with the with the company. And what I learned were people were so magnetized by my personal energy just showing up in the world that that became a part of the whole strategy. And you know, we've grown enormously. At this point, we're in six continents, 48 countries, have had people in our programs, and that's with no advertising, that's word of mouth, right? And that's me being on podcasts and writing books and speaking on stages, um, but a very different way. And I had to learn that it's not that I have to do everything, right? It was never set up for it to be a funnel to my own coaching or anything like that. It was set up to be separate from who I am, and this is my legacy in the world. I'm leaving this to the world, the soul professional brand and network.

Lauri 26:29

And what is how would you, since you're saying that, like, what is it that you want to see left as your legacy?

Camille 26:37

Yeah. So uh we're a business incubator, right? And it's all about the mission is to help other people bring their gifts to the world, right? No matter what that gift looks like. I believe that we all are so unique, but we hide in the structure that we've been taught, right? And it's teaching people like you be you, and let's make a business from that, right? If you want to work two days a week, you do that. If you want to be a psychic and a strategic advisor, you do that. Like you can blend these worlds, you know. Um, and I've been helping people blend those words, worlds for a long time, right? Teaching them how to build these businesses and being a thought leader. And I'm and I'm hired individually by startups to think through out of the box ideas. But I feel like so many people have been taught like this is the way it's done. And my whole vision for this is no, it's not, right? A school professional, we says, lives in a higher vibration, has an alternative approach to business, and is here to help repair the world. Right? How I know, yeah, however, that looks right. So, my job is to get the message out there and just let people know it's possible. And what we're doing now is we're attracting what I'm calling the seekers, they're not really sure what their next step is, right? They're kind of had that aha, or they dipped their toe in, or they took their first yoga class or their first meditation, or their first, and they're like, wow, I think there's something here, or I've been doing this all my life, but I think I'm meant for something bigger, right? I'm I'm meant for bigger things in this world. Um, and that's what we're all about. You know, if it doesn't make your heart sing, you're not in coherence, let's let's get you there, right? And I think that's the the new part of it is does this feel good to me? Can I do this the rest of my life? Because passion and authenticity are some of the highest vibrations we can be in. But if you get to be there every single day of your life because it's just your truth, that's where we want to be. That's where I want to be. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I want to leave to the world. Like this is the new way. This is the new, and I also believe that um corporations and the way we've done business, like being an employee for people uh for corporations. That that's that's get that's leaving. That is leaving. Um, and I do believe that it's going to be all of us being micro entrepreneurs in our world, all being us. We are our brand. We are we are our companies, right? And we will be hired as fractionals and um contract people all over the world, and no longer being employees, right? Our services are a service, and I believe that that is the future. It's gonna be a blurring of of borders, and we'll be working through time zones, and that is the future, and I just want to hold that space, and that's what we call a soul professional. Those are the people in the world, and now you know we're about 14,000 people under the brand that are doing really cool stuff, and it's just about building the ecosystem so we're employing each other and getting to know each other and building relationships and buying from each other, and that's what I want to leave to the world.

Business school, MBA culture, and why the old model is leaving

Lauri 31:16

Yeah, I love that. I feel like you just infused more of that into every cell of my being. Um, you know, we have similar, we have related missions in the world, and the one, the place to untame myself that has been like, come on, let's untame here, has been exactly what you're talking about, where all of the shoulds, and this is how you run a business, and all of those kinds of things have been, it's like the muscle that's the weakest. Like when I'm working out, yeah, these muscles are my weakest. You put me on a stage or you put me in front of a client or a group of people that I'm working with, and I'm very untamed. It's also what I help other people, you know, it's one of the places I help other people to be untamed. I'm an untamed leader, actor, speaker, coach. And partially because I'm such a verbal processor, the business, the being an untamed business owner has been the like, this is like the last frontier of this round. So when you're talking and saying, like, whatever it is, you know, two things that don't seem to make sense, putting them together, they do. Yep, there is a way, and there's a way to do it your way. And I'm in the shift of doing that, and I can see and feel the potential, and my offers are finally organized around like in the because I change a lot. So my offers may change again because something else becomes resonant or needed in the world or something like that. And this feels like one of the times, maybe in the beginning, I had some stuff that was pure and aligned because I didn't know any better 18 years ago. So it's like before before you get all scared and all the shoulds start coming in. And now I'm like, but I'm choosing what's aligned. Yeah, I'm choosing what I love to do and how that meets where people are and how I can serve. And I feel like, you know, neither one of us like cookie-cutter things, we don't like templates. We can see that the old ways of things, leadership in particular, leadership and speaking that we were taught to do, and like all of the big programs out there that teach people those things were formed for a different era, a very, very different era, like the 50s, and you know, different waves of the industrial era where people needed to look the same, act the same, talk the same, wear the same outfits, say the same things to teach people to make cars. Yeah, that we're all the same. I mean, it's very important that the car parts be exactly the same from one Toyota to the next one. Exactly. We're not, we have factories still, we're still making cars, and the vast majority of what people are doing, we're way beyond that. And like you're mentioning, we're about to go into something even more different, so it's pastime to change how we show up as leaders.

Camille 34:36

Absolutely, absolutely. Um, I was a MBA professor and not too long ago, and I straw I taught um um what was it called? Advanced global strategy. I think that was it. And um we were teaching the same stuff I learned in the 90s when I got my MBA, and I was like, oh my goodness. I was like, this is not, I mean, the case studies might have gotten a little better, but not that much. Like I was like, we are still teaching people, like they're gonna be CEOs of big corporations, we are still teaching people to work for others, right? Like this was not the world we're going in, and that's how I ended up opening up the soul professional business school because I was like, I want to teach for today, and I don't think people are really gonna go get all these advanced degrees anymore. Like, yeah, I don't think you really need an MBA. Like when I got it, no one had it. Today they're like chicklets, you know. Uh it's not the same, I don't think it's the same degree either. But and uh it made a big difference in my life having one, but I don't know if today it matters as much. Yeah, there was even a phase changing, yeah.

Lauri 36:02

Education is changing, and there was a phase here in the Silicon Valley. Oh, I don't know, somewhere between five and oh, it couldn't be five years ago, it's got to be more like 10 years ago, where I was hearing that companies were actually more interested in someone with an MFA, a master of fine arts, than an MBA. I see that because they knew they were created that they're they are they have a degree in saying they can create things. Yeah, that's not always true. Some I agree. MFAs for the most part, you've created something, you did some kind of a master's project where you created a thing. You may also have written about the thing that you created, depending on the program. I'm I'm not sure if that's exactly where we still are anymore. I'm not sure if anyone is running out to hire the MFAs because the world caught up and learned to be, the world is catching up and learning to be more creative.

Camille 37:02

Well, also look at um our big creative companies like Google and Meta, they don't even require degrees anymore, not even college degrees, because they've learned that people, the creatives of the world, actually don't like structured education, right? And it's actually, I believe that education at this point, and I'm and I'm one with a lot of degrees, I went and did it, but I believe today it actually stops your thinking, right? Like it's not allowing you to be you, it's not branding you, yeah, it's not saying how you're different. If you look at like all the people that have MBAs or law degrees or medical degrees, they all went through the same structured program. And few are taught to go out on their own. Yeah. Right? It's always we're gonna work for you know a big insurance company or a big company of some type or a big law firm and become a partner. It's not go out on your own. And I think the world is changing, so we all are going to go out on our own. So we are so individualized, and that is our differentiator.

Pivot Pivot: Lightning round

Lauri 38:24

Yeah, you also made me think of a moment in school. I mean, I think I I got straight A's in high school and for the most part, and thought I was doing it from my left brain the whole time. And later in life, when I was in coaching programs and we were talking about how I was coaching, like what how was I doing what I did? Yeah, I hear people when they talk like things that are important to them sound like the oral equivalent of a neon sign to me. And I and I sort of knew that. And I was a TA as a grad student for like a theater appreciation class with, I don't know, 10 different instructors. Yeah, and they all gave me different amounts of information to prepare people for the test. And I realized, oh, I'm I'm hearing in their, I've been for my whole life, I've been hearing in people's voices what's on the test. So it's like having an automatic cheat sheet because you can just hear, even when they hadn't made up the questions yet, I could tell what was important to them as they were like sitting there doing a fireside chat where they just sort of rambled on for 45 minutes and called it a lecture. I could still pull out notes and tell what was on the test. And when I went to coaching school and the the lead coach asked me how I knew to pull at a certain thread in the coaching that was happening, I went, You're kidding, right? Her voice sounded completely different. And everyone else in the room was like, nope. And then, brilliant leader that she was, doing what we feel is some of what's missing from education, yeah, is she would ask each person when they had a really great coaching thing. It was like she was saying, How does your intuition work? Let's articulate it and/or hold a mirror up to it so that you know that you work differently from how Lori works. But both of you coached people to something amazing. So trust how you work and follow that.

Camille 40:42

Yeah. Oh, I love that. That is so good. Yeah, so good. Yeah, and and it helps us find how we're different, right? Because I don't really believe that there's competition in the world because we're different, right? And I'm always like, well, if someone resonates with me, they probably don't resonate with someone else. So the right ones come to me. And I always say, Well, I'll work with the hell yeses because I want you to be really sure. Like I and I don't force close or do anything like that. Because I was like, You're you're not gonna, you're just not gonna make it if you don't choose me, and I'm not gonna prove myself, right? To convince, or I should say, convince you, right? When you're convinced, there's enough free stuff out there, you'll come over. Yeah, right.

Lauri 41:28

And yeah, yeah, very different from ego-driven 22-year-old. Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Camille 41:37

I'm I yeah, I am not here to prove anything anymore. Yeah, it's very, yeah, it's very different. In my in my 20s, um, especially as a woman, I had to, and I was in a a lot of male-dominated spaces, I had to, but that's also what we were taught, right? I had to be different, I had to be better, I had my numbers, had to be more. It was constant all the time, yeah. But today, not so much.

Lauri 42:08

Yeah. If people are feeling like, I choose her, I choose her, they'll have it in the show notes. And can you verbally give them a place to go find you if they're driving a call?

Camille 42:20

You can find out about me and my work uh at soul so-ul professional.com and all the great work we're doing. Our community is free, and what we give out in the world is free from our soul circles, our healing circles, our masterclasses, our networking. It's all free in the world. Um, and if you want to find me individually, it's Camille L. Miller, and you can find me on LinkedIn, is where I hang out most of all. I'm on all the other ones too, but if you just Google my name, you'll find me.

Lauri 42:52

Yeah, great. Thank you. All right. Thank you. It is time to slide into the Pivot pivot. Uh-oh. Take a breath. All right, Camille. What is your favorite word?

Camille 43:15

Oh, um, I hope it's soul. I use that one a lot. There's probably some other ones. I feel like each word each year I have a favorite word. Like evolve is a big one that's spinning around this year. Nice.

Lauri 43:33

What is your least favorite word? Oh uh, can't. What turns you on creatively, spiritually, or emotionally?

Camille 43:52

Um first the first thing that came to my mind was actually a color, which was odd. It was a color purple. But then I started thinking, well, you know, I see it in art, I see it in music, I like so many things, right? It's the space in between everything that turns me on. That's what turns on my creativity. What turns you off? Structure. Yeah, I don't do well there.

Lauri 44:27

What's your favorite cuss word?

Camille 44:30

It starts with an F.

Lauri 44:36

That is the number one answer. What sound or noise do you love?

Camille 44:44

Oh, I love the sound of water. And that can be rain, it can it can be waves, it can be um like aerated water in a still pond, uh, it could be a trickle, just the sound of water, no matter how it happens. Like absolutely love it. What sound or noise do you hate? Oh um, well, there's probably some typical ones like scratching of a board. Um I can't think you know what's coming to my mind like a car crash, like anything where someone's going to be hurt, or like something like that, that just my whole body chill because I usually can feel whatever's happening. Yeah.

Lauri 45:40

What profession other than ones you've already done in your life would be fun to try? This is funny.

Camille 45:48

Um, I it was funny. I was I was taking a walk to this is gonna be a longer answer. I was taking a walk today, and I'm not even close to my house, by the way. And it said like cook needed, and I'm like, I wonder if I could be a cook. Like, I would love to just do something that you know, uh, all of my kids are in the theater, and I live in New Jersey and Netflix and all Paramount, everyone's building right here. And I was like, I think I'm gonna apply to be an extra just for the hell of it. My kids are like, seriously, and I'm like, you guys do it. How fun could just be fun? Like things that just get me out of my comfort zone, um, just doing something different. I could be a bartender if I was home at like 8 p.m. You know. You want to hear? My my um one of my kids is uh in theater, like is an actor, and um she's doing a show right now, and I was like, and it's mostly known for senior citizens, they literally do Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday afternoon shows because they hit busloads, it's a dinner theater, busloads of people. Wow, and it's the funniest thing. And I was like, Oh my god, do they need a bartender? I would love to be there, right? Like in the middle of the afternoon, you're like, Do you need a bee's knees? Do you need a sour? Like all the old drinks, and I was like, That would be so fun. And think of the conversations you can have with older people, and yeah, yeah. So that's it. I think of doing other things all the time. If they could pay my mortgage, I would try so many things in the world, so many things in the world, and and working for someone else. I haven't done that in a long time.

Lauri 47:42

What job would you not like to try?

Camille 47:47

Um anything physical. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't be a farmer. That's hard work.

Lauri 48:02

What Camille, what do you hope people say about you on your 100th birthday?

Camille 48:09

Oh, she was an inspiration. Or I loved her energy. Well, hopefully I'll still be alive in smoke sense.

Lauri 48:20

But yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much. Well, I love your energy, and you're absolutely an inspiration to me. Thank you so much for coming and chatting with me here on the show. Absolutely. Um, yeah, and I am remembering to do this for two seasons in a row now. If you loved this episode, or you laughed, or you cried, or snotted out your nose a little bit, or something like that. Please tell everyone you know. Please like it, rate it, review it, share it with a friend, all the things so that we can both spread our messages and our missions in the world. And I will see you back here next time.