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Menopause and Perimenopause: a powerful tool for self growth and connecting with our feminine wisdom
Join us as we welcome back the insightful Jane Catherine Severn, a seasoned psychotherapist and menstruality educator from Aotearoa, New Zealand, who brings over forty years of wisdom to our discussion. Ever wondered how menopause could be a turbo thrust for self-development? Jane Catherine unravels this intriguing concept, shedding light on how menopause integrates the four aspects of feminine nature experienced individually during the menstrual cycle. This episode promises to illuminate how this phase transitions women from a cyclical existence to one where all elements of the self are harmoniously present, enhancing emotional depth and self-capacity.
Together, we reflect on menopause as an empowering phase where previously suppressed aspects of oneself, like anger or passion, are brought into the light. Jane Catherine introduces the concept of the "shadow self" and how embracing these parts can lead to liberation, enabling women to truly live on their own terms. The importance of communal support is highlighted, drawing a parallel to having a village during childbirth, as we navigate this pivotal shift away from masculine norms towards celebrating mature feminine energy. With an emphasis on trusting the body’s innate wisdom, this stage is framed as an opportunity for profound personal growth and connection with the wider cosmos.
As the journey continues, we explore perimenopause, delving into common symptoms and their ingenious role in guiding women to tap into intuitive and spiritual faculties. Jane Catherine underscores the importance of embracing these changes, offering insights and exercises to help women connect with their feminine essence. With valuable input from her new book, she encourages women to trust and surrender to the transformative energies within, aligning with universal forces that support growth. This episode is a rich tapestry of knowledge and support, inviting listeners to embrace their inherent wisdom and the transformative power of menopause.
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Welcome. I'm Lucy, host of Conscious Living with Lucy podcast. I'm delighted to be joined again by Jane Catherine Seven. Jane Catherine is a practicing psychotherapist, passion therapist, writer and menstruality educator in Aotearoa, new Zealand. Having realized in her mid-twenties that there is much more to know than we have ever been told about why female hormones behave in the ways they do, jane Catherine embarked on her lifelong mission of offering women a new view of themselves and the intricate, elegant and supremely purposeful design of their monthly and midlife changes. For 43 years of studying women's lives from the intimate perspective of her therapy practice, combined with her deep respect for the ways of nature and absolute faith in the integrity of the female design, gave birth to the unique and inspiring body of knowledge she calls conscious menstruality and her original model, the feminome. In 2005, jane Catherine created Lunar House as an educational and therapeutic speciality service.
Speaker 2:So thank you for joining me again today, jane Catherine, as we follow on from our previous conversation regarding conscious menstruality and the Feminome, so today I wanted to follow on from this conversation and discuss the next phase in a woman's life menopause. There is a lot more conversation happening around this topic or cycle in women's lives. Organizations are paying more attention and starting to recognize it, and women are also talking about it more. I've noticed there are lots of yoga classes and workshops all centered around the menopause. So, from your work and research, what can you tell us about this important stage in a woman's life and what is the spiritual significance of menopause?
Speaker 1:What a huge question.
Speaker 2:Yes, starting there with a very huge question, launching straight in.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, well, I could talk for three years about that, but how to put that huge question into a small nutshell, I think, just to understand, perhaps to recap a little in terms of the feminine, we all remember that the menstrual cycle, years, have taken a woman through the four fundamental aspects of her nature, one by one, sequentially in the cycle.
Speaker 1:So round and round we've been going all these years in a changeable monthly life. As we approach menopause, a number of things begin to happen which are designed to graduate us into a more conscious, more expanded form of the feminine. So menopause is really. It's quite a turbo thrust of self-development. This is why it gets a bit intense and a lot of things begin to happen inside us. What's going on is that the four separate currents, if you like, of being woman that the cycle has kindly separated out for us so that we only have to do them one at a time, and now beginning to flow together, so that we are moving out of a life that's cyclical and into a life where all of the aspects of self are present, where all of the aspects of self are present at once. So they're all there inside of us to call on. So it's like four great currents of a river coming together into one flow.
Speaker 2:So it's like an integration.
Speaker 1:Very much so. Yes, very much so, that's a good word for it. And of course, as that integration's happening at the same time, it's like in your kitchen blender or your washing machine spin cycle. The momentum that's been built from the spinning of the cycle is like a centrifuge. So the menopausal turbo thrust is expanding us, so giving us much more self-capacity than we've ever had before, and in the expansor process it's kind of pushing all of our energy out to the previous limits of ourself, pushing against the edge to expand us, and therefore we get quite intensified sensations in the body, in the mental capacity certainly, as every woman knows, and spiritually most of all, an intensification that can feel quite turbulent for some women to navigate, but all of it is very, very purposeful.
Speaker 1:So we asked what's the spiritual significance? It's very major, as we know, in our cycle. The cycle alternated us from our outer life to our inner life and that happens holographically in a big way in the whole life cycle, so that a woman at menopause is turned inward to deepen and access more easily her interior life. So spiritually we are both deepening our interior life but also connecting with the wider cosmos as never before. We know from our menstrual cycle years. That premenstrual phase magnifies our emotional capacity, and menopause is the mature stage of the premenstrual phase. Don't get a fright when I say that it's a wonderful thing to have your emotional capacity expanded even deeper and wider than ever before.
Speaker 2:So how are they similar, though I mean you said it gets bigger or wider, is it similar, but just more amplified, or are they quite different? Is there a distinction between them?
Speaker 1:It is more amplified, definitely. However, the way the feminine works is stop us in our tracks and compel us to attend to messages from our inner world. So we've been very influenced, shaped, perhaps constrained in some ways by the demands of a very masculine culture. The feminine will insist by these strange methods that we call the symptoms, these phenomena she brings to us, compel us to turn toward the feminine sources inside of us. Sometimes they might literally disable the ways that we've been complying with masculine culture. That can be very distressing.
Speaker 1:None of the things that menopause brings to us. I don't want them to sound simplistic or easy, but they are purposeful. But they are purposeful when we feel sometimes disabled, stocked in our tracks, unable to function as we used to. The art of it is to have faith, to be able to trust that this is purposeful. It is actually expanding our function rather than disabling it, even when it feels like a disability. So we need each other. No woman should go through this in isolation or believing that she's supposed to keep compliant with the demands of a masculine life. It's not going to work for her.
Speaker 2:But we need to know that this is purposeful, otherwise we'll think it's a pathology. Mm-hmm, that makes sense. So just to try and give a bit more of a concrete example of that, so would it be so if the symptom was anger, for example, because that's one I commonly hear about? Is it that during the kind of menstrual cycle, anger would be something that arises for you frequently and then, when you go through menopause, that emotional symptom becomes amplified? Or would it be that it's an entirely different symptom or emotion that you would experience? Or could it be both, I guess and I'm just trying to differentiate between the two and if it's a kind of build on from the previous, or it might be something entirely different?
Speaker 1:It's a very good question, thank you. And the answer is that each woman's internal feminine designs, her phenomenal life, her range of phenomena or symptoms that she will get specifically for her soul, development, own anger rising up in our premenstrual time, as it does for many of us, that we know that anger is there to show us what matters and how much, and how important it is that we do listen and pay attention to what is measuring so much to us, what is measuring so much to us so that may be magnified for someone in their menopause if there are still things that need her attention in that way. However, there's another very fascinating way that menopause can work for us, and that is many women find that in their menopause, parts of themselves or ways of behaving or feeling that are completely unfamiliar to them begin to arise. I'll take myself as an example. Myself as an example.
Speaker 1:I've typically been somebody who people think is calm, patient, serene.
Speaker 1:When I got into my menopause years, my goodness, I met a part of myself I'd never had before and that was anger.
Speaker 1:For me, the job of menopause is to bring to us aspects of ourselves we may not yet have developed fully, we may not have had the opportunity.
Speaker 1:So menopause is a great balancer. So for someone like myself, who had erred on the side of restraint perhaps in my younger life, menopause brought me things that absolutely startled me and my friends, like road rage, litter rage and, to be honest with you, I absolutely loved it because I'd always wanted to be someone who could be more fiery and spontaneous and have a bit more passion to me and respond a bit more in a bit more of a volatile and fiery way. And there it was in my menopause, loud and clear. So women may well find that whatever's the polarity of the typical way they've been in their younger life will be brought to their attention very comingly by our hormonal states in menopause. Don't be alarmed if this happens or if your emotions are very much magnified. They are there to show us what we haven't yet fully understood or valued or paid attention to or developed in ourself. It does all balance up a mind. I can promise you you won't be a fireball, frida.
Speaker 2:No remarkable what it can teach us, and I guess this is really the spiritual significance. It's a growth journey, a journey of growth and transformation. And, would you say, it's also similar to what can be described as shadow parts of the self.
Speaker 1:That is exactly what I'm describing and thank you for bringing that word because we're often given the impression that our shadow self is the bad parts or parts of ourself that we should be ashamed of and should keep contained.
Speaker 1:And we may have kept them contained during our cycle years, and that's why menopause wants to bring what's been put into the shadow and, for women, and the things that are most likely to have been put in the shadows, so things we've been taught we shouldn't have nice or not ladylike actually are the things that our menopausal self is likely to bring, so that we can energize those parts that have been a bit suppressed by trying to be good girls and nice girls, as we've been taught to be.
Speaker 1:So then again, I want to say don't be dismayed if your perimenopause, your menopause, brings you behaviors or fiery emotions that you find that feel a bit out of control. That's often a fry that we hear from women I'm out of control. Well, congratulations, because what's been under control, and under too much control, is likely to get hormonally invited out of control so that it can be in consciousness, it can be available to you with more energy as these things arise, possibly a little bit volcanically with our hormonal times, we are invited to learn how to express them in ways that we feel good, about how to be in charge of them, how to use them purposefully and consciously. So it all comes to a good place, even if it's a wee bit turbulent on the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounds remarkable and I guess it's really an to really kind of be empowered. It's women really stepping into their power and especially after a lifetime of, you know, being a mother, a wife going out to work, all the different hats, and it's like okay enough, this is your time. Now Time for you.
Speaker 1:It's a time when our hormones are specifically inviting us to live on our own terms. And, yes, the roles we've had in younger life and the conditioning we've had in younger life, and just because we're younger and the menstrual cycle, life is more, you know, the development in that time of life is more and acquiring, you know, we learn roles and we grow into motherhood and relationships and and we acquire the things we need in life. We get to menopause and that changes a lot to wanting to be full of myself. I don't know if this is true in British culture, but certainly here in New Zealand, being full of yourself is like don't be so full of yourself. However, menopause is going to make sure that every woman becomes absolutely full of herself, because what better thing could there be to be full of so much more doing life on my own terms?
Speaker 2:Wonderful, yes, very important.
Speaker 1:Yes, very liberating actually. It's such a relief to get to the stage where we're far less concerned with how others might see us or judge us. It's like who cares? I've only got this self, so I might as well make the most of her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a very empowering time, and I can see the power being enhanced as well by being with other women too who are also experiencing a similar phase. You know there's lots of talk about, you know, having a village when you have a child and all of that, but I think this stage is also very key as well, to have that support it's absolutely essential.
Speaker 1:It's designed to be a communally held energy. Yes, and we need each other because the things that come along are so exquisitely designed to stop us being able to carry on the way we were. That's what menopause is designed to do, and that's why it's so often seen as pathological, because it literally does stop us being able to go any further in that complying with masculine norms way that we have been. We just can't. I always say this, the commandment of menopause, as thou shalt not stay the same that's a wonderful term.
Speaker 2:I like that also. I think I mentioned this to you before but I hadn't really reflected on the word menopause. But when I started to to look at it, it really stood out to me that you know, a pause from men, so pausing from the masculine energy and time to step into feminine.
Speaker 1:Yes, the mature feminine, which is something the world is short of because for so long, women's menopause has been viewed as pathological and suppressed, and medicated and stopped in its tracks. It's time to allow women to have their menopause and to support women to have their menopause.
Speaker 2:Yes, Great yeah, I'm seeing it more and more, so hopefully it's starting to find its place. Yes, so how did you discover these insights and wisdom, such a wonderful gift to the world.
Speaker 1:Well, that's an interesting question too, because I, having searched every place that you can search for knowledge in this world, I realized that what was out there in my times was all within the model of this is what's going to go wrong, and the only place left for me to look for it was in the thing itself. I was a therapist working with women long before I arrived at my own menopause. I arrived at my own menopause so I observed the very peculiar, bizarre looking things that happened to women at the time of their menopause, and they were so intriguing, so baffling, like why would women's hormones do these things that appear to ruin their lives, give them such a hard time? Why would hormones do that? What would be their purpose? I had to abandon everything I'd ever been told and just look with an inquiring and humble and trustful gaze into the thing itself as presented in women's lives and eventually my own life.
Speaker 1:So I came with that curious gaze to every phenomena that menopause could possibly throw at us, possibly throw at us and, to my great, great astonishment and marvelling, all of them turned out to have a very clear and clever or genius really way of stopping us from staying the same, compelling us to open up to another kind of consciousness, another way of knowing things, like for women who, as many of us do, find their cognition is completely deleted, rendered unable to function. To see how that serves to open us to a different way of knowing things, a feminine way which is actually able to take us beyond the limits of rational knowing that our culture values. It is so ingenious, even while it appears to be stopping us in our tracks. So I discovered that the things we've most been taught to fear and distrust and think there's something wrong with us are actually the breakthrough channels that are opened up for us by our hormones at this time of life.
Speaker 2:Amazing. We need to pay more attention as well, and I think we're so conditioned to not trust ourselves and to question. But yeah, there's so much insight there if we can just trust and listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah touch on something else you mentioned, um kind of like this brain fog almost, and I'm hearing so much discussion about this at the moment myself also, particularly I'm approaching, I'd say, perimenopause, um late 40s. So I'm hearing many women of my age and some a bit younger, actually early 40s discussing perimenopause and attributing symptoms such as brain fog, tiredness. But lots of these women are also busy, they're working, they might be stay-at-home mums with lots of children and have had children later in life. So I'm wondering is this perimenopause symptom? So I'm wondering is this a perimenopause symptom? Is it just fast-paced modern life and how does this differ? So, perimenopause to menopause, some of the symptoms are similar and how do we know? We're kind of going through those processes or is it just something else? So that's lots of questions.
Speaker 1:There are so many questions. It's wonderful. Perimenopause is the correct term for the period of time which you're describing and you feel you're going into now just the first intimations that things are changing. So the period of the years leading up to the menopause and the years following the menopause, well, everything kind of adjusts. It's a whole phase of life called perimenopause technically, although that word has only recently come into circulation. So we're used to just calling the whole thing menopause. But technically menopause is the part in the middle where we have our very last period and we don't know it's our last one until a year or so has gone by and we haven't had another one. So menopause is a wee bit of a retrospect really. But it is correct to call the whole thing hairy menopause. I just use the term menopause in the same way. So there, yeah, that's the difference.
Speaker 1:Now, the things you're describing that women of your age will begin to notice yes, there may be brain fog, there may be an unsharpening of the mental process. Then there will very likely be tiredness. You may begin to notice a night's wet every now and then or like, oh, I wonder if that was a hot flush. If you wonder if it was a hot flush. It wasn't, because when you get a real hot flush you won't be asking was there one? But these are the intimations, like a soft little knock on the door to let you know that change is beginning. And it's usually a period of some years of subtle change and then less subtle and less subtle, more intense, into the vortex and then out of it gradually again. So, yes, there are many reasons for women to be fatigued and brain fogged.
Speaker 1:But perimenopause has specific phenomena and, yes, mental changes of function are certainly one for many of us. Not everybody gets this, everybody gets her own configuration of phenomena, but for those of us who have the mental one do take heart, these are very, they can be very distressing, they certainly can be disabling. So it is really. There's such a need for these to be understood and supported.
Speaker 1:The reason why our hormones disable our mental function, as I mentioned before, it's to compel us into our other faculties, our feminine faculties, our intuitive, our emotional, our spiritual ways of knowing and ways of responding to life, which are boundless, which are so much wider and deeper than cognition. Cognition is a valuable faculty, but it's only one of four. And menopause, if we've been conditioned by our culture to overvalue the mental function which, in the West, we absolutely have been to only rely on it to panic. If we can't access it, then our menopausal process is highly likely to dull it down or even disable it completely. So that we have no choice, because if she didn't, we would stay clinging to that faculty that the masculine culture prizes above all and we wouldn't get to discover the normity of our feminine ways of knowing and doing and being. It's a cunning plan and it works very well.
Speaker 2:It's remarkable. I hadn't even really thought of it like that.
Speaker 1:It's remarkable.
Speaker 2:I hadn't even really thought of it like that. As someone who definitely already likes to connect with you know more my intuitive self, for example I can imagine that this is why it can be a huge shock and suddenly you're kind of forced into that capacity, all for a very good reason and with amazing rewards and benefits.
Speaker 1:But yeah, as you say don't be alarmed.
Speaker 2:But if you're not used to it, I can imagine it can be hit with an intensity that you're not used to it. I can imagine it can be hit with an intensity that you're not really expecting.
Speaker 1:Well, it can disable us in the work roles that we do, which often demand mental functioning. So it certainly can disable us to operate in the same way in the masculine system. So let's not underestimate how distressing it can be for women and how the understanding and the support has never been there. But if it can be there and if we can be allowed to adjust our function and still be valued and still be trusted and still be respected, the world will change.
Speaker 2:Amazing, and that just actually makes me think about what other natural alternatives there might be for women to embrace this period and rather than taking HRTT, as these obviously interfere with natural processes in our Western society and the models that we operate in. When women enter this phase of life, they're just advised immediately to go on HRT, and then lots of women I know have spoken to me about it just felt too intense, they just couldn't deal with it. So they felt they wanted to take HRT, and you know it's up to each individual what they wish to do. But I just wondered, as an alternative, what can support women through this process? Are there natural alternatives, for example?
Speaker 1:Yes. Are there natural alternatives, for example? Yes, I think when we are. It's. I first let me say it's so understandable.
Speaker 1:My heart goes out to all women who feel that hrt is their only alternative because, um, they are not supported to go through menopause, so they have to eliminate the menopause, which is what HRT promises to do and does.
Speaker 1:Very well, it stops women having their menopause. I think it is so important for women to support you. Do try to find a practitioner who understands what the phenomena or the symptoms are trying to do, so that remedies, rather than combating that or eliminating the symptoms, they can support the symptoms. But the best support of all is to understand why is this happening, what is it trying to create? What part of me can I still trust, even while I can't trust my brain to operate the way it used to, even if I can't trust my thermostat to keep me cool all day long? So that's why, in my coming book for women going through menopause, I am exploring in detail these symptoms that disrupt our lives and how to trust them, how to work with them instead of against them, so that they're not frightening but quite exciting really to go through. So, yeah, if you want remedies, and you certainly deserve them. Look for a practitioner who understands and who won't eliminate them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sounds really important to be held in that way, and I think you know part of the step towards that is just having an understanding of what's happening, Definitely, because then it's not frightening. Yes, exactly, If you're really not expecting it, you've not read much about it, heard much about it, and then it happens and it's like whoa, what's going on in my life?
Speaker 1:So having this knowledge.
Speaker 2:So your book is amazing and I'm glad I've discovered it before I enter that phase of life so I can read up to support myself through that process. It's actually making me feel quite curious, actually, about how is this going to be for me, what's it going to teach me, how am I going to experience it?
Speaker 2:So I'm also feeling a little bit nervous as well, but also, yeah, quite curious, quite excited as well to see what I can learn so wonderful, thank you. So I think you've probably covered this, but is there anything specific we can do to embrace perimenopause and menopause?
Speaker 1:Yes, I think it is what we were just talking about, and I'm not saying this is easy, because everything in our cultural life will encourage us. You know that the best way forward is to get rid of the symptoms so you can keep functioning. That's kind of understandable. However, it's what we were just saying there. If we can become intrigued, if we can trust that there's a magnification of femaleness that isn't really very much in the world yet, so there's a consciousness that's specifically female that we will have to be the pioneers of that.
Speaker 1:Only following the phenomena can take us there, because these phenomena, literally, are designed to alter our ways of functioning. We can't stay the same. We need each other. We need knowledge of why these things are happening and how to go with them. We need support from each other and we need trust of the feminine, which means stepping out of being able to function well in the masculine. It's a lot to ask, while it's an unknown thing, so that's why I'm offering this new book. When it comes to specifically support women, one-to-one or in groups with sessions as well to help through this yes, it's.
Speaker 1:It's so much better to attend a course or um to learn about it, or use the exercises in my book in groups, because that's the support we need and that's the laughs we can have and the cries we can have and the understanding and the realisation. Oh, it makes sense in this way. I've never thought of that. Wow, and each of us has that slightly different configuration that can illumination and rich for each other.
Speaker 2:So, yes, I offer courses and workshops and one-on-one consultations to support this Wonderful Because I feel like we're just scratching the surface here. We're just kind of alluding to what it is, and I feel like it's. You know the whole process of perimenopause menopause goes on for several years, so yes we can't possibly cover all of it in this conversation and it's something to be really lived and experienced and having that framework to hold and support you as you journey through it is invaluable To be honest, I couldn't even fit it all into my book.
Speaker 1:The book is just like A Menopausal Woman it won't stick to the plan. It's got far too much to say. Stick to the plan it's got far too much to say. It turned out to be a very big manuscript which I now have to edit down because there's such a lot to being female. It's glorious. And the way it fits into the universe and the cosmos it's just, it's boundless really.
Speaker 2:So we are amazingly designed beings. Definitely. And would you say, this energy that's coming, is it a new energy, or is it something that's older and being suppressed, or a combination of both?
Speaker 1:It is older and being suppressed. It's already here because it's, in nature, the feminine. It's the same energy. We're a holographic dot of the divine feminine, and so it's always been here, it's always been in us, it's always been in us, and so what's coming is not a new thing, but it's a new awareness of what's already there.
Speaker 2:A rebirthing per se.
Speaker 1:A reclaiming.
Speaker 2:Reclaiming, yeah, rebirthing, yeah, yes, and you've shared many important messages already. But just specifically in case there's anything else you wish to add, is there um, an aspect about your work that you wanted to share or an important message that can support women during this precious time? Don't worry if you've covered it already you might have but I just wanted to highlight it.
Speaker 1:I think we have covered it, but maybe the key word to repeat again is trust. And that is not as easy as it sounds, because when something comes along that looks disruptive and troublesome, trusting. It is not an easy thing, but it's the most rewarding journey you'll ever get to go on, because what you will open up to through trusting this process, through letting the feminine have her way with you, you will come into more of yourself than you ever dreamed was possible. It's so enjoyable, it's so delicious and so relieving to know that the way I am makes perfect sense that it's totally worthwhile.
Speaker 2:Sounds very exciting, but trust is, yes, such a big and hard thing for many people. Very challenging just to even trust the simplest things or having the support around you as well, even if you feel ready to embrace it. People can very quickly if they don't like the change or they want to suppress it still so absolutely well.
Speaker 2:Changes by nature will take us into unfamiliar places but, yeah, it's a big word, one to stick up in front of you every day. Trust, yeah, and surrender. I guess you need to surrender, yes yes, yes, yes, thank you yeah they go hand in hand, I guess they do beautifully wonderful.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. Um, I feel like we could talk about this for years and you could keep sharing, but I'm conscious that we don't talk all day and night and have a very lengthy recording for people to listen to, so and they can definitely follow up with you and connect with you through your work, and particularly your book, will be very helpful and very supportive to many people. So this is just to introduce it, to raise some awareness and hopefully start people on their journey. So, before we go, would you like to finish with a short exercise, a meditation?
Speaker 1:or something. I've just got a little offering here, which is actually a couple of wee pieces from my book.
Speaker 2:Oh, wonderful.
Speaker 1:So I'll invite everyone to just settle as comfortably as you can and relax your body. Breathe softly into this womanly body that has brought you this far in life, all that she knows, all she has lived because of her femaleness, and breathe into your feminine heart who, despite millennia of alienation from her innate wisdom, has forgotten none of it. And breathe into your divinely feminine soul and listen to her call. Now, women, our time has come. It is time now to remember something so long forgotten. We are hardly aware it is missing. It is time to come home from an exile that obliterated the feminine from our awareness and made us strangers even to ourselves. It is time now to awaken from the sleep that does not know it is asleep and embark upon a whole new chapter of human progress. Opening to the Feminine will reveal to you a big picture view that is astounding and utterly rewarding.
Speaker 1:The quest is for your fully realized self. Your divine nature, no less, and the impulses that propel us toward its realization are calling from within us every day as we navigate the great hormonal odyssey of our menopause. We do not need to exert pressure on ourselves in any way to reach our full potential. It is already indelibly mapped inside us and echoed by all of life around us. There is nothing we need to learn or attain that is not already known by our feminine bodies and the purposeful energies that animate them in ways we do not yet fully understand. The code to our quest is, and always has been, so simple that we miss it. All we need do is reattune to the long forbidden frequency already broadcasting of its own accord within us. I'll leave you with that.
Speaker 2:That was incredible. Thank you so much. I look forward to listening back to that again, thank you. Thank you for being with us again today, catherine, it's absolutely my pleasure as always. It's an honour, Thank you.
Speaker 1:Bye-bye, thank you.