are live back in the studio. We're not live. We're recording, I know, but it doesn't come out for another week, so that's the opposite of live well, I guess I'm just seeing things happen live in person here in the studio.
Speaker 1:Back to you, kyle we're not even in the studio caleb I mean, is it a studio or is it a pull-out couch with a foldable table back home?
Speaker 2:so, okay, that's not a studio either, but I would. Is it a studio or is it a pull-out couch with a foldable table back home.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's not a studio either, but I would call it the studio. It is the ADU, I mean honestly the ADU studio. It might be a little quieter here than it is there, honestly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no dog, there's no dog barking, but where are we, caleb, oh God.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't even know. We're at the. Ho Rainforest you calling me a ho. I thought that's where we were going. We are tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Where are we now?
Speaker 1:Bella, eat this juicy ass. Twilight there's a sticker. We're in Twilight. Yeah, oh, sorry, forks, we're at the beach. Second Beach, yeah, beach. Yeah, it's called la push. Oh yeah, oh, I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:yeah la push, just outside of forks. We're on location, folks, yes, coming at you, not live, not from the studio, but south of forks in la push, washington, on the olympic peninsula I couldn't point to that on a map.
Speaker 1:We're in the upper, like northwest from where we were. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, you weren't trying to give one past me.
Speaker 3:No, Okay, back to yeah we are here, back to the studio.
Speaker 1:We are here and we are waiting for the striptease by the werewolves later. Yes, yep, I've always been Team Lautner. What was his name on the show? Jacob? Yeah, I was always team Jacob.
Speaker 2:I was 100% team. Jacob Edward was not doing it for me, Not at all. You know who I think was. People had a crush on him when he was in Harry Potter.
Speaker 1:You know that's not the same person. That is the same person. Harry Potter is not Dan.
Speaker 2:No, he was the prefect in the Gryffindor common room or something. I don't even know what that means, prefect.
Speaker 1:He was like the student council president and that's when you had a crush on him. Well, I think he was cuter then. Can I describe? I can describe to you perfectly the type of girl that had a crush on him. Okay, tell me, Usually pale Makes sense, but they were always like it was like 10th grade, they were super gifted and you know they don't really like study, but then they started getting into skinny jeans Like they're really okay. What I'm trying to say is they're pale and they're really smart and they have like a little bit of a goth thing going on. Yeah, I could see that, Absolutely. Did I just describe Bella? I think you did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's a little more edgy than the girl you're talking about.
Speaker 1:I think I think it's because she like hit some of her face with her hair. Oh, absolutely, that's the emo bangs I had emo bangs.
Speaker 2:I called them bieber bangs, but yeah, they were kind of like emo bangs was that before justin bieber. Yeah, so retroactively you call them bieber bangs, absolutely, yeah, well, yeah, it's just like a good reference for people oh, so they know.
Speaker 1:Then they know what? Because yeah, I mean, every time I envision the emo bangs.
Speaker 2:I always think pink. Oh yeah, I'm thinking like the baby era of Justin Bieber. Oh my God, you know like that Young Bowl cut.
Speaker 1:No, no, but bowl cut, but just like.
Speaker 2:But short on the sides and the like. Really, yeah, bieber bangs, it was a look, it was a choice.
Speaker 1:Were you as platinum blonde then, as you were when you were like a small, wee child. You show me photos.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not quite, but definitely a lot lighter than I am now Interesting. Although my hair is now turning gray, so it's going back to white the way that it was before. Oh, wow, okay, yeah, pretty sure I'll be platinum blonde again soon.
Speaker 1:And we will start dyeing it. You know what I've just decided to lean into mine, into your death, no, into my grays, because there's too many dyes?
Speaker 2:Oh, you have a lot. Yeah, I know, and you're 10 years younger.
Speaker 1:I look weathered, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:Okay, so today's topic being out in the wild, as it were. We're sitting here on the beach, actually, and I don't know if you guys can hear the sound of the waves crashing in the background, but it's quite calming and I really look forward to sleeping in tonight, because I think it's going to be like a good night's sleep.
Speaker 1:Like white noise. With that white noise going on, yeah, I will post the photos for everyone to see us and our recording set up. Honestly, more professional than back home, can't?
Speaker 2:wait to see it. So, yeah, we are going to talk about our just like connection with nature and being, you know, out in the wild and our relationship with technology and then how, being out in nature kind of disconnected, yeah, um thoughts, opinions, feelings. I think that's pretty much something yeah, yeah, but I kind of wanted to get started by talking about like growing up around the outdoors, like were was your family, like a big outdoorsy kind of family.
Speaker 1:Honestly, building off of what we just talked about, Wednesday we mostly sports if we were outdoors. But we would go camping, but it would be like at campgrounds, like a drive up situation, yeah, but we would stay in tents and but we had showers and we had commodes, okay, so you were glamping, yeah. Well, now they have a fucking like fifth wheel trailer full on thing, so they don't oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:I should say that we took our friends like sprinter van, and so, yes, we did like have, pack a backpack and hike in to the beach, but tomorrow we get to go back to the camper van and make coffee, so we are kind of glamping too. We're doing, I guess, halfway between camping and glamping, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, you would have thought we bought a whole king-size bed and everything else in our fucking backpacks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was very heavy.
Speaker 1:What did that woman said Heavy load.
Speaker 2:Thank you, and I was like nice, I get that a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was my outdoorsy-ness. Yeah, Growing up was like mostly fields and um gravel sites.
Speaker 2:Are there any like outdoorsy memories, that kind of like stick out in your head as like?
Speaker 1:Oh, outdoorsy memories, that kind of like stick out in your head as like, oh, that was like a really great camping experience or something that happened, or okay, I think I have one. Yes, um, actually I think I was sharing it with you some earlier. We uh growing up talking about playing in the backyard and how we had the woods and like, but like, I think you made me feel very normal. I think everyone like thinks, oh my god, someone lives out here and like we're gonna find them, because you start thinking things are shelters and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So honestly, doing that a lot as uh kids, was a lot of fun just like running around the backyard into the woods and exploring. Yeah my dad had created a um took a four-wheeler and, like, cleared out a, so we used to ride dirtbacks back there and four-wheelers. So yeah, it was a lot of fun in those woods. Do you have any fond memories of the outdoors, kyle?
Speaker 2:That was so canned, I loved it.
Speaker 1:It's like we're back in the studio.
Speaker 3:Any fond memories Something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so growing up my house was called sharon court it's like where I grew up, since I was like three and it was on a cul-de-sac and we had like really big, like fourth of july parties and like all the neighbors came out and we all set off illegal fireworks, you know, and my best friends lived down the street. Uh, his name was also Kyle, and we called him Big Kyle and me Little Kyle, because I was like I don't know four or five years younger, and then, of course, eventually I became Big Kyle and now he's Little Kyle because I'm like much taller than him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you are pretty tall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the four of us me and my brother and then kyle and his sister laura we would like meet up at my house and go like into the backyard. And spring creek um in santa rosa, california, was like my backyard so it was just like so fun, like going out and exploring and you know, being on the creek with all this like vegetation and you can smell like the the dry creek bed, kind of like hot rock scent you know?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah which is like one of the first things I identify in like a russian river. Pinot noir is like that dry creek bed, kind of like minerality going on. It's fucking wild. It just like brings me back to like childhood in this spring creek I.
Speaker 1:I'm obsessed with the way you describe that, because I way more understand that, yeah, than someone telling me the second part of that sentence about wine. Yeah, like the mineral, I'm, like, I'm not listening, no, but like.
Speaker 2:You know like what a rock smells like, especially if it's like it was wet at one point and now it's like baking in the sun and that steam is coming off of it almost.
Speaker 1:And that green grass, yeah, I know, cause it grows the greenest over there near a creek like that, yeah. I can just see it, I'm picturing.
Speaker 2:Grassy notes like that are like very what. Just keep going with it Cause.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the grassy notes are like very common in like soft blanc, which is what you drink oh, okay, so you can like think about that in your mind the next time you have a soft blanc and you're like, does it have that like grassy smell that I remember from childhood?
Speaker 1:because I also had creek in when our first place so I'm in, I'm envisioning you and your brother and just playing at my creek. Yeah, because I haven't seen your creek. Yeah, well, it's probably all creeks are the same. Did you ever like uh, fall in there and like get muddy? Oh girl, so many times, so many times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one time we were like going around spring lake with the family and, um, my sister's dad dared me to like walk out on this limb like over the water, and I was in my favorite overalls, these overalls that I would never take off, I know, stop rolling your eyes. I loved my overalls. They're like, so practical.
Speaker 1:They're like Oshkosh, bogosh or something you know You're just like ankles every time you have to go to the bathroom Literally.
Speaker 3:Literally yeah.
Speaker 2:And I got out to the like end where I was like comfortable and I was like, see, I could. I told you I could do it. And then he fucking shook the branch and I fell off and oh, it was like muddy, dirty. Yeah, like he hated the overalls. Yeah, I literally had to throw them away and I was so pissed he hated the overalls. He literally did. That is why he did it. So you lost the bet.
Speaker 3:I bet you can't do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess I don't know, I feel like I won, but I lost because I, uh, I lost my overalls yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, you still didn't. You didn't come back dry.
Speaker 2:So I think so yeah, moral of the story is um, yeah, I spent a lot of time like outside and just like out, exploring and being in nature like as a kid.
Speaker 1:It's so weird, especially around water, I would say yeah, he knows what those, those rocks, smell like, but what's so weird, though, is we grew up in a time that had no technology, but then now, well, me more than you, well, no, but I still remember like we would play out in the yard, and we were talking earlier about how your parents were like stay outside until it's dark, or something, and you know, stay out of the house and figure out what to do and how to entertain yourself like without electricity and which has been like what today has been yeah, and we're sitting here with our podcast equipment.
Speaker 2:But it's very irony, it's very with.
Speaker 1:But it's very on brand.
Speaker 2:It's very on brand yeah.
Speaker 1:And not only we're sitting here, no outlet, so we're mobile guys here in the studio oh. God, you're fucking killing me. You're so tickled, oh yeah, but we're sitting here and I just want you guys to also know that Kyle, when he was describing what we were doing, sitting, what we were looking like. Right now he has his water bladder, the tubing of it like a camelback thing, up his sweater, out of his long-sleeve crew neck, I didn't want it to get sandy on the little nipple. Not the little nipple.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to protect the nip, I know, but you look like a spy or something every time you yeah, you told me you can't wait until you hit your watch and you're like I'm thirsty, and you just open your mouth and it squirts it out.
Speaker 2:I know, wouldn't that be a great feature. Up a day for your mouth, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, yeah, no, but we've been experiencing kind of what we were describing. Our favorite memories were today, yeah, where we're just like going for a walk, playing cards pointing out all the starfish, like.
Speaker 2:it's very reminiscent of that one of the other like memories that I have as a kid is um, my family has a house in tahoe, and so we would go like hiking like up into the mountains that like overlook the lake. And I must have been like 10 years old or something, because it was like shortly after my sister was born. I would like put her in a backpack and like we would go hiking like up to the top of these mountains and we would like take turns carrying her, and then we'd get to like some crisp alpine lake and, you know, we'd dare each other to dive in, even though it was, like you know, zero degrees, like almost freezing.
Speaker 1:I'm exactly every description you're describing. I'm there. Yeah, I can. It was so cold there, did you have?
Speaker 2:like a alpine lake in your backyard too. No, I haven't been to one.
Speaker 1:No, okay, I thought just, you were like picturing me in something that you've seen before.
Speaker 3:No, well, I kind of was because I saw it earlier with my feet were in the cold water.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh, that's where I am, yeah, but it's like still, oh, yeah, yeah, like a good refreshing water, yeah, um, I was listening to that story. It was great, but I I was also typing what. What did technology look like for you as a child like?
Speaker 2:what would have?
Speaker 1:distracted you from not playing outside.
Speaker 2:Well, we didn't even get like a computer or anything until I was like probably in like middle school.
Speaker 1:Girl, we didn't even have computers when I was in middle school. Well, not in school, we were just poor.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. Like a friend of my mom, my mom like had some old laptop that she like wasn't using and gave it to our family and like the trackpad did not work and we didn't know, like how to connect like a external, or I don't think it even had like usb, you know, or anything to like connect a mouse oh yeah, oh, it had a floppy disk, because do you also remember like actually you might have a floppy disk because we had oregon trail.
Speaker 2:Oh, it had a floppy disk, because do you also remember like, actually it might have a floppy disk because we had Oregon Trail and that was on a?
Speaker 1:floppy disk. Right, yeah, I'm envisioning it too. Was it like a creamish or was it like gray? It was gray, yeah.
Speaker 2:Was it a Dell?
Speaker 1:No, I think it was called. I think they did pretty well yeah. Something like that I was going to say, but I thought you should skip straight to laptop. You didn't have like you know how you'd go to your friend's house to play like Webkinz or something. And then we had like Nintendo. Yeah, no, I'm talking about like computer, like the tap.
Speaker 2:You? Oh yeah, yeah, that came later, that came later. Yeah, there were like family members who had those like desktops that's what they're called, right, yeah, they had those and like I would always go over and like, um, like play an educational, you know game or something not or paint you know paint?
Speaker 1:wait, we were just talking about that, the mine minefield game. Oh, minecraft, I think it's called Minecraft. No, is it not the minefield, like where the bombs are?
Speaker 2:blowing up. Yeah, it's like little gray squares and you click and you try to find the numbers and if you hit the bomb then you lose Because I was comparing playing Solitaire to pronounce the other one Mojang, mojang, mojang, yeah. Oh, mahjong, yeah, oh yeah, the original technology Mahjong.
Speaker 1:Which is actually a really fun game. We should get that game in our studio.
Speaker 2:We need four people to play, though. Oh no, I'm committing to that.
Speaker 1:Have you seen those tables, though that? You just put them all in the middle and somehow they sort them. Yeah, wild, probably a laser or something's in there. But what other type of technology like? What was your earliest memories of technology? Like your TV? Like was it the one that sat on the ground? Was it like, what did all that?
Speaker 2:okay, so it was like the laptop, the Compaq, I think, or something like that. And then, um, I remember like plugging, like my mom would be so mad because I would like get on to like AOL, like instant messenger, whatever I am, and uh, I would have to like unplug the landline phone to plug it into the computer and then my mom couldn't get phone calls. She would be like so mad because I would just be like chatting with my middle school friends on instant messenger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it would make that that's like what fax machines do now, if you call a fax but that's higher pitch. Wait, I remember dial up. Yeah, my mlb had it. Oh yeah, but you didn't have one in your house.
Speaker 1:Well, we didn't get wi-fi until, I think, after I moved out, girl, like at 16, that's, that's yeah, a ways down the road from where I was, I know, but I was just like no, we didn't have internet like at our house until then, is what I'm saying yeah, yeah, we, we were big Nintendo fans and we had the original Nintendo, super Nintendo, nintendo 64.
Speaker 2:All of them, gamecube, bougie, bitch, wait, and then the Wii, and then it kind of stopped there.
Speaker 1:When you come from a divorced family.
Speaker 2:They're always buying things to one-up each other. That would be me. Yeah, I would so do that, although one year for Christmas I remember this so vividly my brother was given a Nintendo 64, I think, and his dad gave me a remote controller for the N64. That's what? Yeah, and he was such a little bitch. Yeah, and he was such a little bitch and he'd be like, well, you can only use your controller on my n64. When I say, oh god, it would.
Speaker 1:It would like start a world war well, they'd even like he could just put both your names on it, like it's a joint gift. No favoritism. Oh yeah, well makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, okay so, but it wasn't like you left the home. There was no technology that went with you.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, I mean I didn't get a cell phone and it was like one of those Nokia brick things until I was in high school they had a snake on them. Oh yeah, they had the game snake. Yeah, I played it on my house. Yeah, um, and yeah, I mean barely text with them.
Speaker 1:You know what's? Oh, that's when you used T9. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I never used that because that was too complicated for me. The predictive like oh my God, no, that's. What do you mean? Oh, I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1:I mean, I can teach you still. I can teach you still to this day. I barely yeah that's People were like into it. Oh my God, with the razors. That's where T9 made it come. I had a crazer. Do you know what a crazer is? Was it the Motorola version?
Speaker 2:It's the razor. It was like the new Razer. That was like slider, so like it slid instead of flipped.
Speaker 1:Never heard of that.
Speaker 2:Really, you're going to have to look that one up.
Speaker 1:But that was back when phones were like, specific to companies.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Because wasn't Razer Verizon only? Yeah, when iPhone came out, it was.
Speaker 2:AT&T only I remember that and I had to get an AT&T subscription or whatever account.
Speaker 1:What's the right word?
Speaker 2:You became a customer. Your phone plan? Well, yeah, I had to get a phone plan.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. Yeah, just so you could get it. Did you have the silverback one or the 3g or 3gs?
Speaker 2:you know what happened is my sister's dad. He got the iphone and he didn't know how to use it. So he's like if I got, if I get kyle an iphone, then he'll learn how to do it and teach me. And that's what I did. Oh my god. Yeah, you got you that was one of my first, like bills that I was like I had to. I had to pay for the phone bill myself. I've always paid for my own cell phone, by the way.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, like most people my age, I feel like are still on their family's plan I recently got off theirs because I would just, but a lot of people stay because it's a family plan. No one's getting married or has families right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's cheaper, yeah.
Speaker 1:So they're just paying. Why change yeah?
Speaker 2:But anyways, I taught him how to use his iPhone.
Speaker 1:What an expensive way to learn something. To buy two of them.
Speaker 2:I think the first iPhone was like $699. And that was an insane amount of money when I was a senior in high school or something like that, and now they're like $1,200, $1,400. I don't even know how much they are anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you keep having to get more and more fucking storage every single time. Do you remember the first ones that had like four or eight gigabytes?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh yes, because I remember when they came out with the 64 gigabyte iPhone 5S and I was like oh, my God you can store so many things.
Speaker 1:Now I have a terabyte, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh you know what? My first real addiction, outside of video games, to technology was my iPod.
Speaker 1:I was about to say we all had, we all got ipod touches before like smartphones, and so, because that was when they were still like the slide out with the keyboard, yeah, there was, so we had to carry two different things, yeah you had your.
Speaker 2:I had my brick cell phone in my backpack, and then I had my ipod and the original, like the cube one that was like oh yeah, I didn't think.
Speaker 1:Oh girl, yeah, ipod classic, I think it's called now or retired dinosaur extinct yeah yeah, ipod extinct honestly, that's a good name. I would buy that same. Yeah, because it's so retro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my god, that would be so in go ahead yeah, remember when they had ipod x, they should have branded it ipod or not. Ipod, iphone, iphone x.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know what you're getting at, because that's not a thing.
Speaker 2:No, I loved my ipod. I like walked home from school a lot or walked to school sometimes and I like, oh, just like having music in my ears, like with those, I those earbuds that hurt. So, my god, those are the worst, yeah.
Speaker 1:I forgot about that. They were just like circles, half domes, and that's when I think Samsung or other Android phones or whatever, not iPhone or iPod other MP3 players had the squishy tips already but Apple refused.
Speaker 2:They were like we're cutting a budget corner on the headphones.
Speaker 1:And their fucking cords. Oh yeah, do you remember like?
Speaker 2:always tangled and where you plug it in. Yeah, yeah. Jesus, sorry, we're down a rabbit hole. It's okay. I think it's hilarious, my my.
Speaker 1:So we already. I think we already talked about like first cell phones and stuff on another episode right, I don't know Because I was like I got it. Oh, it's because of the coming out story. When I was in 7th grade is when I first got my first smartphone. But I remember growing up technology was around us, like at school we had computers and stuff but we never really could afford like even just internet in the house.
Speaker 1:But we always had phones, but um. So I think my first portable memory, like taking something out of the house, was fifth grade, when I got my first like sliding phone with a keyboard. Yeah, um. So then when did you start noticing? Almost because I would say we're relying on technology now. So when did you start noticing, like if you could think back, what caused it, what time period, how old were you?
Speaker 2:What caused what my reliance on?
Speaker 1:technology, because we are Holy shit, that's a big question. Isn't it though? Because, like your mom, would like get off the computer, like okay, but now we have iPad kids, so big difference.
Speaker 2:I think it would be not until my iphone, oh yeah, like once I had the iphone and I had like the internet on it, I had phone, I had music, youtube, yeah, everything you could possibly need and like it was brand new and you just wanted to learn everything about it and all the functionality of it. And I would say, yeah after that. And you're how old again, 17 or 18, okay, yeah, wow, yeah.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine 18 year olds now like try to think to how mean, because even we're relying on technology but, someone being 18 and not getting a smartphone until then? Yeah, that's insane, isn't that?
Speaker 2:wild, yeah, hmm, and that's like Do you feel like you're addicted to technology? Oh, a thousand percent.
Speaker 1:But I also think technology and all these apps and all this short content media people with ADHD eat it. The fuck up it breaks me so much dopamine?
Speaker 2:I feel like I haven't really been that addicted to it. Even when I first got my iPhone, you could always put it down. I could always put it down. Now I don't know if I can. I think that it started with Grindr. For me, it was like oh, there's all these new people out there that want to talk to you and I can maybe sleep with them.
Speaker 1:So you're saying that you are addicted to Grindr, which makes you addicted to your phone, right? Yeah, I mean Instagram and Facebook. Please tell me that's not any different. It's high dopamines.
Speaker 2:Instant Someone's giving you compliments.
Speaker 1:Someone's sending you dick pics. Instant dopamine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's all just lumped into social media, I guess, but I just felt like it would be funny to share. I did like that Well.
Speaker 1:I but have you ever done like social media breaks?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, media breaks. Oh yeah, I'm about to do one. I mean, I guess we kind of are today, but I'm ready to just delete, I feel that way.
Speaker 1:but then I we need to keep up the Instagram. Yeah, you do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe I'll just put it on my iPad or something. Yeah, I know, then I want to post Repost it, repost it.
Speaker 1:Maybe we just have all our accounts just signed on one of my iPads. Yeah, so then it's only for that we put it back there. You're a problem solver.
Speaker 2:Caleb, I know, that's why you have three iPads, just a hat rack. That's why you have three iPads.
Speaker 1:No, but where I was getting at with the stories social media breaks is I find myself so often when I do them picking up my phone just to like it, really like, you, really like wow.
Speaker 2:I'm addicted every time you reach for the app and it's not there. Oh, I like have checked myself so many times over the last like couple of nights where I'm like just grabbing my phone for no reason and like opening up instagram, I'm like, wait, what was I even picking up my phone to do nothing?
Speaker 1:that's almost. We're hitting the meat of this because this is good, this is good, good because I'm about not drop one. No, but did you not feel that way today in a lot of ways? Only when I was like taking pictures and stuff no, what I'm saying is did you not feel like, oh, you're wanting to get on, oh, I haven't felt like that now.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, no, have you. I mean not.
Speaker 1:Well, you had to work today other than us, like screaming at the fucking phone for stopping our country music playlist. Oh yeah, that's when we were reliant but I was, yeah, addicted to hearing those country music songs that we were listening to, honestly I think that I felt it multiple times, especially when I felt like I kept fucking talking a lot and was all over the place. Because then I'm like caleb stop talking. Because I was just filling the space because Cause I wanted to get.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're saying that you wanted you were distracting yourself from like reaching for your phone and getting on it. Yeah, and that's why you were like chit-chatting so much about everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, but Today I'm thinking that I the times that I feel like I need to reach for my phone or something like my brain needs to be doing something, so then I just start talking. That's why that's how I felt all day.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, okay, that's, that's insightful. I didn't really real like put those two things together. Oh yeah, because you know you, I just thought you're kind of always like that.
Speaker 1:But then I like I'm like, okay, my brain needs to keep going, but I just need to stop fucking making it someone else's problem.
Speaker 2:But can you tell your brain to just be like okay, maybe just like chill? No, no, not at all. That's so scary, it really is, yeah, like I just don't want to be in your brain ever.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, and I just don't shut the fuck up. Yeah, you were very chatty today, even to the rocks when we were stacking them. Yeah, you know what Kyle's done talking to me, I'm going to talk to these rocks.
Speaker 2:Okay, I have a question about your self-admitted addiction to technology and how you feel like that's affected your ADHD and whether it's been like. Has technology been like helpful in any ways, or has it has it advanced your ADHD?
Speaker 1:Yes and no. Um, I think having something with me all the time my phone and my watch helps me create a lot of safeguards. Like I told you, I still I knew what time all my meetings were today, but I still have an alarm set five minutes before each of them in case I'm down a rabbit hole or really focused on something. So that alone is so helpful.
Speaker 2:Because I do it for everything reminders I'll set an alarm like so like you can put it in your phone and then it's out of your head yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think I think it helps in that way, Because I also will write it on the fucking mirror and then write it on a post-it note too. So I put a lot of safety notes up. But it affects me negatively at bedtime and that's why you do your baths, yeah, and then but last night that's why I stayed up until 1 am Because I took it I was like, oh, I'm hot in the bath. Oh no, because I took a shower. I didn't take a bath. That's why, oh, so then I had. I was like, oh, I can do it in bed for a few minutes. Nope, An hour and a half later, oh, wow, what? Watch something on the TV and on my phone? Oh no.
Speaker 2:Double screens? Yeah, I think that's bad. Okay, I will tell you, though, that psychology research has said that technology, and the little hits of dopamine that you're talking about, and social media, has had a huge impact on Depression and ADHD In the like. Do you think it's causing?
Speaker 1:ADHD.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, it's 100% causing ADHD.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, because, like you, know Our brains aren't meant to process that Our brains are not meant to do like yeah, what social media has made them? Turn into, which is crazy. Yeah, it started with MySpace.
Speaker 2:An addiction, like any sort of drug, and you're getting a hit of dopamine and it's making you come back for more. And I mean there's so many like studies and lawsuits against you know meta for knowing that it's negatively impacting their customers and that they're like trying to hide the studies that they've done that have showed that that's the case.
Speaker 1:I think technology is. It's so hard. How do you quit that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you can't Go from that amount of dopamine to none, unless you move out to the middle of the woods and go camping like we're doing.
Speaker 1:But that's when I feel Because I was describing to you the most recent time I have to be like when I go on a long drive, like when I drove down to Leanne Rimes and I'm forced to like not be able to get on. Technology is when I feel like just like relief, or your brain just isn't focused, I don't know, like on that small dopamine hit. You're finding dopamine and like singing the song or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah that's why it's good to take breaks. Yeah, but I almost feel like there's time, like when I'm on call and stuff, or when, just all the time, I feel like, no, what if? What if someone calls me? What if I need this? What if I need that? When's the last time you left the house without it?
Speaker 3:It's been a while it's been a while yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what if I go and I need to look up a gas station.
Speaker 2:I always have my cell phone in my pocket. It doesn't matter if I'm going from one room to the next.
Speaker 1:Or my pocket like doesn't matter if I'm going from like one room to the next or like even like I bring it into the bathroom and I start playing you know, my music on my alexa device, you know, I mean it's always there, which is crazy, yeah. And then we have it on our wrist too. Yeah, for the brief time that it's in our pocket, we still get notified.
Speaker 2:I just think that, like technology, is wonderful because it has the potential to like make our lives easy. But just like you know any sort of technology that's out there you know ai included you know with it its future ability to like take over the world, you know, and we turn into like an iRobot situation or something but dogs, do you remember?
Speaker 1:those go. Do you remember what I'm talking about? It was like apples and they were like dancing dogs. It was like a speaker.
Speaker 2:Okay, what I'm saying is that, like any technology, it has the potential to be super useful and it also has, like so much power to like negatively impact you, you know.
Speaker 1:So you have to like set those guards for yourself to make sure that it's working in the way that it works for you you know, I think, where I've noticed I think I've shared with you about, I've had a lot of social anxiety over the last half year and I think technology has been my crutch and almost making that worse. Because then I'm like, oh, I'm connecting with people here and I don't have to like go and put myself out there, so it's almost like encouraging, because before I could do both it didn't bother me. But then when I first started experiencing social anxiety, I'm like then I just don't need to be social. If it's causing me anxiety, I can do it on my phone and that's what I'm really noticing.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that If it's causing me anxiety.
Speaker 1:I can do it on my phone and that's what I'm really noticing. Oh yeah, that's tough. It is because then, like your brain's like why would you go do something that requires more effort?
Speaker 2:and nervousness around it when you get the same like dopamine hit or whatever from doing it at home, that's. That's just like a. I feel like there's just like a huge difference in your generation and my generation because of our like relationship to technology, and I feel like that's probably the biggest like data point between like mine and yours is like how accessible technology has been to us, and you know, I didn't have my first smartphone until high school like the end of high school and I got mine six years before that, so yeah, 12 yeah and how quickly it's all like changed and developed and improved and whatnot.
Speaker 2:But you cannot function without technology. And yeah, I've seen the difference between having it and not having it in my adult brain. Oh yeah, it wasn't just like childhood. I know that I can live without it because it hasn't always been there, but for Gen Z they've always had it and it's hard to imagine a life without the convenience of it.
Speaker 1:So what you're saying is like it would be challenging, but you, it's doable for you to like do a full technology break, yeah. Do you think that it would be more difficult for me, and or do you think that I'd be able to do it Well, based off?
Speaker 2:of your feedback earlier that when you didn't, when you're trying not to like look at your phone, your brain was going haywire and you couldn't stop talking. I say it's going to be harder for you.
Speaker 1:So I should go somewhere without people, because I will bother the fuck out of them.
Speaker 2:Oh my, gosh, you should go to a silent retreat. Do you know how difficult that would be? I know your brain would literally go insane, Like you would just be like singing a Britney Spears song on repeat for three days If you were in a.
Speaker 1:That's your life with me now.
Speaker 2:Yeah pretty much. You're always humming something.
Speaker 1:I always go back to Baby by Justin Bieber, Bringing it back to those Bieber bangs.
Speaker 2:Yeah that would be you at a silent retreat which is awful Singing Baby in your head over and over and over again.
Speaker 1:And they just kick me out Because I just start. If I can't sing it, then I'm just like.
Speaker 2:You're just going to be humming it and doing the dance moves. You'll learn the whole choreography.
Speaker 1:I mean not as well, At least. It's fucking quiet Bitch. I'm going learn the whole choreography. I mean not as well, at least it's fucking quiet.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna get tap shoes just to piss them off. Gosh, but that says a lot. I then I didn't have technology, though you'd have to have like still images or something of every dance move so you could learn the choreo in the right order.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, which I don't know why. That made me think of map quest, where you have to print out the directions. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Yes it was like before gps and I had like a garmin or something in my tom tom.
Speaker 1:Oh, and a tom tom yeah, um, which is so crazy to me, because that's probably why I'm so directionally challenged is I never had to be like, oh, go west on this. What does that mean, siri? What does that mean? Uh-huh, you know, like you never had a compass.
Speaker 2:Were you ever in the boy scouts? I wanted to be a fucking girl scout. Oh my god, me too. They're badges and they're like and like. The little girls were called brownies, right, I was like that sounds delicious, like they were like before you went into girl scouts. Okay, I'm following. Yeah, it's like there's Cub Scouts and then there's Boy Scouts. Brownies is to Cub Scouts as Girl Scouts is to Boy Scouts. Well then, they had Eagle Scouts.
Speaker 1:That's part of Boy Scouts. Honey, Was that just?
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I'm following. That's like the top ranking.
Speaker 1:But then they.
Speaker 2:Does that?
Speaker 1:make sense, because the younger ones had brown vests and the older ones had green.
Speaker 2:The girls, yeah yeah, the brownies were the brown brown outfits. I didn't realize that yeah but I was like I want to be a brownie. That sounds so great and can we bake? Because I'd love it. I'd love to just make a sheet of brownies if I'm a brownie you have 73 brownie badges mama did it again.
Speaker 1:I have a baking badge, the mixing badge, the mixing badge using a thermometer badge, the perfect souffle badge At six years old, absolutely yeah, but also I didn't want to be a fucking Boy Scout. How are you selling popcorn? You're not no one's buying popcorn tins, but those Girl Scout cookies and those brownies, yeah, I saw it as a business move. Yeah, that's a woman running a business saw it as a business move?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't. I don't want to learn how to. That's a woman running a business compared to a man. Truly, yeah, I want to tie knots. Yeah, and the Boy Scouts? They're just getting molested and tying knots Wait, aren't?
Speaker 1:they? What are they called? Like den brothers? I don't, what does that? Mean, I think, it's like Not den, it's den something I have no idea. Then who?
Speaker 2:Wait, the scout leader, that's what it's called. Oh okay, you're watching some weird porn.
Speaker 1:Scout boy scout. That doesn't make sense. What he's? The scout, leader of the Boy Scouts? Yes, that's not good, I don't like that Okay well, were you in the Boy Scouts?
Speaker 2:No, but I wanted to be a girl scout. So damn bad I know, but I was gonna ask me if I was in the boy scout?
Speaker 1:no, not yet, because I think that do I? Do we get a podcasting in nature at the studio? Badge because, oh yeah, like a podcast. Bad because we're like the beverly beverly if you listen to this episode in full.
Speaker 2:Then you get a technology dependence badge. Yes, oh my God, yes, okay.
Speaker 2:And to answer your question. Were you in the Boy Scouts? I was in the Boy Scouts. I was a tenderfoot. That's like the one that you, you like, enter the Boy Scouts and you're like automatically a tenderfoot and you start learning how to tie your knots. I went to like a couple. It was like at my church, you know, and like my other, like church people my age were going and I wasn't friends with any of them and I was like this is dumb and I didn't go back because they kept calling you tinderfoot and you're like what did you call me?
Speaker 1:yeah?
Speaker 2:what'd you call me? What a dumb name. Um, I was gonna share some more like stories about like being out in nature. Okay, go ahead, because I think I said something about how it's always really important for me to be close to bodies of water, and I learned in this book that I read, called Empaths Guide Survival.
Speaker 1:Guide, yeah, survival Guide. I have that book that you have it. Have you read it?
Speaker 2:three of the pages. Okay, I read it. Empaths are people who, like, can pick up on other people's emotions and a lot of times it like affects your own emotions because you start to, like, um, feel the same thing that they're feeling, right to a point where it's like kind of destructive and it's like a hard time to figure out if, like, you're actually feeling that way or you just are feeling how someone else around you is feeling. Anyways, in this book it says that empaths like love being around water, and I feel like I've always been like attracted to water, whether it's like the Creek growing up or like the ocean.
Speaker 2:In like high school, my friends would all get in my red GMC. Jimmy and um like drive off to like Stinson beach or like Bodega Bay or something. Um, and Bodega Bay, thank you. Bodega Bay oh, tomales Bay, that was like the other oneas Bay. Oh, tomales Bay, that was like the other one I loved. But we drive out to the beach and, like you do this, like you know, car camping kind of stuff, oh, wow, make a little bonfire, and I don't know like if I would allow my kids to go do this today, like if I had kids now that were like 16, like I just got my license and they're letting me drive like an hour to the beach to camp with friends. Yeah, we didn't do it. Yeah, anything bad, but yeah, I don't know if I would allow my kids to do that, but anyways, loved like beach camping, which is why I picked this spot in La Push tonight to just like feel like you know, I'm back in high school almost like have some like nostalgia beach camping.
Speaker 2:Should I wear some puka?
Speaker 1:shells.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, that'll make you feel real nostalgic, like back in the day but like, even like, uh, senior prom, like we took the limo like back from san francisco to sonoma and we like stopped at like ocean Beach and like all jumped out of the limo and like jumped in the ocean in our like prom gear suits, dresses so you wore dresses, yeah our prom attire.
Speaker 1:I feel so similar to that because you know I'm obsessed with baths and I've been talking about a hot tub forever. I've that's, even if I I even remember growing up, even if I felt sick I just want to get in the bath Because it just is. I think it's calming, because I'm drawn to it too, but especially baths, like it turns my body off. Does that make sense? Yeah, so it's almost like you know how, like you're dry, you're listening, you're absorbing people's emotions, you're like the sponge that's filling up.
Speaker 2:It's almost like the opposite when you get in the bath, it's almost like letting it all out. Yeah, I, I feel like for me, my past, like activities around water, like bodies of water, were always like um, wakeboarding and like inner tubing and like body surfing in the Pacific Ocean and they're like a lot more active than your relaxing bath.
Speaker 1:But I get what you're saying but I just need just water itself, not the activity in the water. Yeah, I like both, okay.
Speaker 2:I do grow up. I like it all.
Speaker 1:We grew up tubing and stuff, but I was so vividly thinking of the body boards you would get Like if you went to like one of one of those like surf style shops, like near the beach A bodyboard. What's a bodyboard? That's when you're going body surfing, that's a boogie board. Maybe it's a boogie board, a boogie board.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a boogie board.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
Speaker 2:Do you have to like throw it at the right angle?
Speaker 1:and then you have to run and jump on top of it and then you kind of like skim across. Then you have to choose, like the perfect thickness of the water because it can't be too dry. You're gonna stick and fucking get slung, exactly. Yeah, what a complex sport that is. I know, yeah, interesting at the olympics this year. No, but break dancing was that's an olympic sport? Yeah, you'll see it on your insta reels in two weeks because I just saw it on tiktok.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, that's interesting, you say that, so maybe that this would. Maybe the water is more helpful with like kind of the disconnect from, if it makes you feel calm. You like doing being around water, which you usually don't have your phone, so also decreasing technology when you're around something so comfortable, yeah that's actually, yeah, a big thing.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's like I like being in water because you can't have technology there and it that's the normal, like that's normal right, and you're not. Oh, wow, maybe you're trying to recreate something, girl, yeah t my, yeah, younger version of myself that wasn't dependent on technology.
Speaker 1:Pre-iPhone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So it makes so much sense, though, because, even like I can't get in my car without connecting my phone to CarPlay, you get in there and you're just like I just need the Bluetooth, yeah, and you have CarPlay. I know which.
Speaker 1:So like that alone that alone just tells me that, like I'm way more addicted to technology, like I need this. You don't even use the fucking maps on the car screen, it's always just a dark screen. I know I don't need it, though I know because and you do everything from your phone, like you just hit the next button from your phone and it just blows my mind.
Speaker 2:I know, but like figuring all that shit out and I'm like I don't really care if I maybe that's why I'm so addicted to it.
Speaker 1:It started out as that way. Yeah, what do you think would be the easiest technology to give up? Because obviously you know the hardest is going to be the phone this podcast honestly, yeah, yeah, it's almost like the newest one thing it's like the newest.
Speaker 2:Yeah and like it would be the most inconvenient. Um, no, I would never give up this podcast. I would say um, I'm so giggling, giggling about the podcast, I know because I was like t shade.
Speaker 1:This is our going. Bye, bye. Um. I think you're alex. Alexa for video games? Maybe, yeah, but it does bring you joy, it sure?
Speaker 2:does Like playing my little squid game and like shooting these other little squid kids and watching them blow up. And I'm just, I'm literally like screaming at the at the TV when I play it, Cause it just brings me it.
Speaker 1:Just I get so jazzeded, I get so like competitive and you, you you're so happy, little squid kids, and it's the same game and it literally because I know you're so happy, because you allow me to be in there, because I like being in there when you're playing, yeah, and then just I talk to you non-stop and you're like uh-huh, yeah, and you're just in a good mood. Oh yeah, I'm just like, oh, fuck you. And you're like should I do that again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really cute, fuck you. Yeah, god, I fucking died and you got 10 seconds yeah, you got 10 seconds. I really enjoy watching, so do you think that would be the easiest?
Speaker 2:no, I don't think it'd be the easiest, but I think I'd be, like most willing to give it up. But what about you? What's the easiest and what's the hardest?
Speaker 1:Well, obviously, I think the phone, I think it could be the TV. Oh yeah, especially when I have a TV sitting in my lap right now. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:But like television movies. Is that what you mean? Yeah, because it wouldn't be any convenience to only watch it on my phone, on my iPad no, but what if you couldn't watch it on your iPad either? Oh, because then I could. Like it wouldn't be an inconvenience to only watch it on my phone. On my iPad, no, but what if, like, you couldn't watch it on your iPad either?
Speaker 1:Oh, I see. No, no, no, no, I was just thinking of equipment, because you can get a Bluetooth speaker or you can tell Siri to do yours. So, like there's options, I'm just thinking about, like the physical device itself.
Speaker 1:You know, I could hear recently, because I haven't, like it's been taking me like I'll get onto something but nothing's keeping my focus. So maybe Like for like the time period, but if something else came out, like Bridgerton, when it came out couldn't get me away from it. Okay so I don't know, that's hard for me because I every like my toothbrush to literally like only even in the shower. I'm like you're hollering at Siri to do something. Yeah, the dryer, I have it connected to my phone. The fucking microwave's connected to my phone. Like everything is yeah. So I guess it'd have to be the TV. It couldn't be the Apple TV Best thing ever invented.
Speaker 2:You can't say, uh, I can give up TV, but not the Apple TV. Those two things are tied together. They're plugged together Plugged in. Okay, tied as in like a theme, the low tide Thematically tied.
Speaker 1:Jesus Tied pods Going back to the washer and dryer, uh, but all along the same lines. What about fucking just like pay-per-view movies you used to have to do. You used to go to Redbox, buy DVDs, rent them from Blockbuster. Even commercials we don't even do now. Yeah, we went from leaving our house to have to go physically get it to not even having 30 seconds. One like paying extra to not have to watch 30 seconds of something. Yeah, isn't that?
Speaker 2:mind-blowing. You know what technology I'm thinking about right now. What?
Speaker 1:The Jet. You know what technology I'm thinking about right now. What the jet boil? Oh my god, the way that did you did you wait?
Speaker 2:I was so in tune with that. That's hilarious. I was good.
Speaker 1:My tummy's grumbling yeah god, why does the hash brown sound good?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna get distracted by something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm so excited to to make that, but that is. That is goes back to ancient times of just a fire and some water.
Speaker 2:So I don't think jet boils are the same as like when fire was invented. But we weren't there. We weren't there, we don't know, we weren't there like.
Speaker 1:Cite your source I mean, if you can add us, go ahead, call us out. Yeah, show me proof, because you're just believing a story from someone else, don't?
Speaker 2:tell me, cavemen didn't have jet boils.
Speaker 1:I mean they had color palettes, they were making paintings. The Mona Lisa.
Speaker 2:They're lighting natural gas on fire. They're roasting boiling water on it. That's a jet boil.
Speaker 1:They just didn't need mobility like we did. We're nomadics. We need to be on the go. Okay, so, since I'm getting, didn't need mobility like we did.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yeah, we're nomadics. We need to be on the go, yeah, okay. So since I'm getting hungry, let's talk about our victory and vice of the week.
Speaker 1:Okay, I want to go first. Okay, because, kyle, I would like to say again, your victory was another vice of mine. Remember when you were providing me education on 401ks? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So you know, I was like, oh, I'm going to have to find out that information, mm-hmm. All I did I feel like all I did was sign into this app. What did you do, kyle? Do you remember me and you sitting on the couch and we're about to record on Wednesday and I'm in like a decent mood, I'm just tired. And then I get in such a piss-ass mood because the notification I got on my phone do you know what that was? Tell me my 401k telling me thank you for contributing 50 percent of your paycheck to a 401k. So half of my paycheck, thousands of dollars, went from into my 401k. Oh no. And now, speaking as future Caleb, I'm pissed the fuck off at past Caleb.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, are you going to be able to pay me rent this month?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's middle of the month, girl, we're good. Okay, no, but 50% to my 401k.
Speaker 2:So did you change the percentage? I'm not convinced that I did when you downloaded the app.
Speaker 1:I'm not convinced I did Okay, but it is oddly similar to. It was 5%. Oh, you know what? It was 5% and I thought I was changing it to 6%. Maybe I hit the up button, but you hit a zero. Maybe I hit the up button. You know how like.
Speaker 2:If it's like, you can I don't know like it's added a zero yeah, maybe I didn't hit the right that's um unfortunate I hope that 70 year old caleb enjoys that money.
Speaker 1:So, thank you, that's my vice, okay. What's your victory? Okay? Um, let's talk about two things that have brought me joy. Disconnect from technology okay, we'll do. Okay. Rocks, rocks no, because earlier I was like do you want to go for a walk?
Speaker 1:and then you started. I started asking, of course, questions. I was focusing. I was like what does this mean? What is it? Then you started talking about rocks and teaching me about the oh yeah, the witch, stone, the witch, yeah, yeah. And then I was like hell-bent determined to find them. Yeah, and that brought me so much joy that I have like a pocket full and agates. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wait, I think it was. Uh, did it help halloween town that had.
Speaker 1:That's what I heard, yeah yeah, um, but it helped with disconnect from technology and that brought me so much joy but you did get really hyper focused on rocks and then all you can start talking about was rocks.
Speaker 2:Why do do you think this one has like a stripe in it? Like this, kyle, look at all these. Like peninsulas. Are they all going to like go away with erosion? Is that going?
Speaker 1:to be in my hand one day, yeah. And then I get over here and you're playing your solitaire and I'm like I think I want to stack rocks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're playing your solitaire and I'm like I think I want to stack rocks. Yeah, you did make a quite a tower of rocks.
Speaker 1:It looks great, isn't that like? That has bought me all day joy, but not one video could bring me all day joy on my phone.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100, yeah and this takes a lot longer. Okay, psychology like says about doing something like that stacking rocks rocks is that you're basically training your brain to focus on something and make it happen, and you're building something and you're doing it for a prolonged period of time. That's like doing a bicep curl for your brain.
Speaker 1:I need to do that more because you see me working, I know.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean when you're watching TikToks and you and like, when you're watching, you know Tik TOKs and you're swiping and you're watching these little tiny clips. That's like the opposite Cause, like your brain's like focused on one thing for like a really short period of time and then another thing for a really short period of time. So then it like trains your brain to do that where you can't listen to a full song on.
Speaker 2:You know that's me on the Bluetooth stereo on the drive up and you know, you just flip to the next one, flip to the next one, flip to the next one and it's like can you just stop? And just build the whole tower of rocks. You know, spend an hour doing one thing.
Speaker 1:I need to start doing that more. That really is such a victory, because it's not just about fucking rocks, it's about you fucking rocks. I mean, how many do you think you fit up there?
Speaker 3:That's how they get the witch's circle and the witch's stone.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, isn't that like when you fist, you have the tattoo. Oh yeah, the stripe Witches are kinky. Yeah, I love that. I chose that over my other one because you made such a good point. That's what I'm here to do. And then we did Tide Poles and Starfish, oh, oh yeah, but then I got started on that, yeah, okay. What's your vice in victoring?
Speaker 2:Okay, my victory was listening to 90s, 2000 country music on the way over here, because, like those songs, like I grew up with them and they have like so much like time and place and emotion like tied up into them too, and like a lot of them just sent me right back to those places and it made me think about like my mom telling me, or like reminding me, that that I going to have a little son named Caleb, with a K. Like I always told her, and I was like this is literally him sitting in the seat next to me and we're like going out to like do something that I would do like as a kid. And it just made me feel like I'm everything's going to be fine, you know, like like you're doing just great, Like yes, you had some like shit going on with, like you know, finding a new job and breaking up with your boyfriend and moving to a new place and all those things going on. But it just made me feel like, yeah, everything was going to be fine, the world's going to be okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and thinking that like what I'm doing now and the life that I'm living, despite all of those like stressors that are going on, is like really the life that I've wanted since I was like a little kid, you know, like going out and doing these things with like people that I care about, which is I didn't know because you didn't tell me this before.
Speaker 1:No, about which is I didn't. I didn't know that because you didn't tell me this before. No, obviously you always have to help me pick out mine, but that's really thank you for sharing that. Yeah, because that makes me want to do the whole song idea thing. We were talking about what music means us like, what songs we grew up listening to, because, yeah, that's also such a fond memory of mine.
Speaker 2:Next week's episode right back in the studio. Back to you, kayiff back to you.
Speaker 1:Miranda lambert hit it. Um no, because I, growing up, I would listen to the same music and I I very vividly remember it like one of my song playlists, with all of those songs. It's called the 1998 azuzu amigo, which was the type of car my mom had. Oh yeah, listen to all these songs, yeah and we got a name.
Speaker 2:We got to name some of them because I feel like it really will, like, helped like illustrate the story that we're like painting right now. It was like I hope you dance by leon wolmack, right? What were some of the other ones? Oh, lady antebellum, I need you now, or lady a?
Speaker 1:lady. Yeah, that was such a good one too. Picture Whiskey, lullaby, mm-hmm, we also.
Speaker 2:Some Tim McGraw songs. Do you know what?
Speaker 1:started this was the other day. I was like oh my God, you have to listen to this YouTube playlist that I'm listening to, and Rascal Flatts came on. Oh yeah, and that's what I was like.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know what the broken road Road, that's it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Let me straight to you. Let me straight to you.
Speaker 2:Oh, so good.
Speaker 1:I love that. We connected over that. That's wonderful, yeah, so that was your victory that was my victory.
Speaker 2:My vice is that I'm really glad that we're taking this time to like disconnect from all of the stresses that I mentioned earlier that are kind of going on, from all of the stresses that I mentioned earlier that are kind of going on, and I'm hoping that it like brings some clarity around this like job offer that I have and I just have been like stressing out about it and overthinking it a lot, and so that's my vice is just that I've been like in your head, in my head, a lot just about this like job offer and the decision that I need to make, like after this trip, and I think that so far it's definitely been like good to like disconnect from technology and just like kind of find those moments to recenter and not think about it for a little bit and then it's almost like you come back to it with a clearer head.
Speaker 2:exactly yeah, and after you feel the most connected to yourself, also connected to water yeah, and like I think you make the best decisions like in that state and it's really hard to well, I think it's really easy to get like bogged down by all the details and you know different emotions that you have and all of that. So getting a clear head, I think, will be just good to help.
Speaker 1:So all of this honestly aligned perfectly. We started planning this trip before you even lost your no, you lost it before you even interviewed with this job, because it was like, so all of these things started happening and this trip happens to be, uh like, you needed this trip to be able to make the decision for that job. And all in like motion. I'm actualizing. What is that word?
Speaker 2:Actualizing, manifesting, oh, manifesting. And now you're actualizing, yes, manifesting, yes.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you manifested me in my mom's womb, caleb of the K. Yeah, because it's helping you today. I know, I know, yeah, I'm just a tickle by that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this baby.
Speaker 1:Clarity.
Speaker 2:Well, I think we are going to make some dehydrated food packets. Hey, this is flipping to a cooking with us?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you have? I think I'm doing. Did I do the fajita bowl? Yeah, I didn't bring a ranch. That's what's going to be upsetting, oh gosh.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we're going to make some dinner here, so until next week we wish you well, turn off your phone.
Speaker 3:Thanks for listening to another episode of Unfamously Unwell, the unrated podcast hosted by your two favorite Seattle homosexuals on a journey to higher health. Listen each week as we deep dive into a new topic and give you all the dirty details of our successes and failures along the way.
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