Welcome back listeners to another episode of Unfamously Unwell Unrated. First, we want to shout out to our listeners from Seattle to Knoxville and from Sweden to Taiwan. We have a listener in Frankfurt, germany, and we really want to know who you are, so send us a message, do your homework like subscribe and review and we'd love to get to know you wherever you're listening from in the world.
Speaker 2:Depends on the day yeah we might be busy.
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Speaker 2:I would love the people to reach out, but it may take me a little bit to respond. But we love you anyway, yeah go for it, girl. Honey, you're leading the intro and I'm just here for the ride okay we have our first guest of this season, season two. Season two, we have Jameel, which is easy to pronounce, but I've known you not even a full year yet not yet so it just feels right that I'm introducing you um. We met. Through what was it thunder down under?
Speaker 2:my birthday, isle's birthday party, yes, day with brian at moose knuckle casino um, I just love the name of that, because I also saw leanne rhymes there, which in the same exact room of the casino, which just seems incorrect.
Speaker 3:That room. The room was so weird.
Speaker 1:It was like a conference space. Yeah, yeah, very much so.
Speaker 3:And we were the only men that liked men there.
Speaker 2:I think Close to it, there were a couple.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, mostly old, older women.
Speaker 1:But we were going wild just like balls to the walls, getting so drunk and handsy.
Speaker 2:It was wonderful. Honestly, that's my favorite type of vibe like no, maybe not the handsy, but like when older women are just get too drunk and get like it's just nice to like see them let loose, yeah, yeah, because they don't have a ton of opportunities to do that agreed. Yeah, um, but then we. I think I first met you when I picked you up yes, because I drove us down.
Speaker 3:I'm like hello strangers. I think kyle may have had a hand in organizing carpools oh, yes and yep he assigned us to your car and it was fabulous was there someone else? In there. Yes, oh, it was evan and caesar. Yep, yep. Well, what a car ride.
Speaker 2:I know I was just riding with all of y'all and I didn't even know them that well anyway, that's off topic, but that's how I've known jamil. But kyle, you set this up obviously. So how did you guys meet? How do? You know him.
Speaker 1:I think it took us a while to figure out how we initially met, and I think your friend Tommy reminded us that we met 10 or 11 years ago at an AIDS life cycle. What is it? Lifelong AIDS Alliance.
Speaker 3:Yeah, fundraiser it was hosted there. Yeah, like fundraiser it was hosted there. Yeah, right, yeah, okay, I think it was probably hosted by Amazon or something and we have like friends that work at Amazon.
Speaker 1:Okay, I just like wonder why I was there, Cause it must've been like the first year that I moved to Seattle and I didn't know anyone, and it was um why are you laughing, you?
Speaker 2:why are?
Speaker 1:you laughing, you chose that event?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I must have been invited by someone.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I think I mean that's how I went, because I didn't work at amazon at the time, but like yeah they.
Speaker 3:It was like an open invite, so okay, like we had. I mean I remember that knew yeah, if you had friends that knew it was happening, then you could find out, you could yeah, you could show up, yeah known each other for a long time but I feel like we more reconnected in the last, like two oh yeah, two years. At another friend, braxton Quinton's, going away party yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:And their wedding yeah. First their wedding, followed by their going away party because they decided to move yeah, and now they live in Palm Springs Bastards.
Speaker 3:But we must have got like. We must have like become pretty good friends for a bit, because I did invite you to my 25th birthday party which was at a private karaoke room in an international district and I will never forget that Kyle was the person who taught me that Ellie Goulding is a great artist to sing at karaoke.
Speaker 1:I do actually remember that. Yeah, I think I sang Love Me Like you Do from 50 Shades.
Speaker 2:Yes, Love Me Like you Do.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, jamil is also very good at karaoke.
Speaker 2:He's a lot of fun. You give Orville Peck in the best way. Oh thank you.
Speaker 1:That is such a compliment. He does really hit the low notes.
Speaker 3:Do you hear it? It's fun Friends in low places could be your go-to.
Speaker 1:But then we really didn't reconnect until I moved back to Seattle from California. Yes, and I feel like that went about mostly through JJ, your husband.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:You don't sound convinced.
Speaker 2:What are y'all bonding over other than karaoke? Are you texting? Are you besties? Give me the juicy details.
Speaker 1:I think we're going to be bonding about skincare after this. I feel like we just have a lot of common interests and a lot of shared values.
Speaker 3:Kyle teaches us about wine. We have movie nights every once in a while we like to go out and dance and have a good time dancing, movies, karaoke and shared values oh yes, you guys were a part of our Hannah Montana experience we sure were. We're just always down for a good time as a loyal listener, I was waiting to see if I might get a small shout out, and it didn't happen.
Speaker 1:Okay, wow, we let you down, but we gave you a whole episode. This is Jamil's version.
Speaker 2:Since we didn't shout him out, he gets a whole version dedicated to him, that's why we're doing this episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay so.
Speaker 3:So we're here to talk about skincare today. So we're here to talk about skincare today and, uh, kyle and I were chatting about the podcast, I think one time we were hanging out I think I asked you to be on the podcast and you're like oh my gosh, what would I talk about?
Speaker 1:and then I was like just think about it, no pressure you can like talk about whatever you want. Yeah, and then you came to me and you were like okay, I'm really passionate about skincare yes, I just love talking about yeah and I was like I know nothing about skincare, so actually this could be like a great learning um episode for me too and for our listeners out there who, like, don't know a ton about skincare or break it down or are like me and just like like to hear other people's perspective.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all the above.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, I think this is a perfect time also to issue a broad disclaimer that I'm not a medical expert or have any formal training.
Speaker 1:He's not a doctor.
Speaker 2:He's not a doctor, exactly and neither are y'all as far as I know Well other than our other, than our, our, our nurse over here, hospice nursing isn't primarily skincare focused, but I bet you deal with some like bed rash or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bed sores, bed sores. Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm not a doctor. Clearly to the end, to learn how to cure that.
Speaker 2:That's what we're going to be discussing today. Um, I was because I'm so intrigued by I bet we're on the same sides of tiktok because I'm so intrigued by skincare, and I am. We were just mentioning influencers favorite market because you could tell me it changed your life. Okay, my life's going to be changed.
Speaker 2:I'm buying it yeah, so I love that we're doing this topic because, for one, I don't know a lot of like education behind it, I just know it from influencers. But, um, I would love to like gather a routine maybe from this or like in some insights wait, so wait.
Speaker 3:I actually didn't know this about you. You currently wouldn't say that you have a routine you follow I pick and I have.
Speaker 2:What my issue is is I buy so many products from influencers then I just don't know how to incorporate it. So then, every once in a while, I'll just buy a kit.
Speaker 1:So you have a bunch of products that you don't know how to use. Is that correct, correct?
Speaker 2:Thank you for summarizing that, because, yes, that's exactly it, and I hear this word routine thrown around.
Speaker 1:Is it really important that we follow? Follow a daily routine? They do say consistency is key, and I mean they say that in a lot of things, in life, but they do say that about skincare.
Speaker 3:Yes, that consistency really is key, so well I do have a routine.
Speaker 1:It's very minimal, though. Hot water, yeah, hot water, that's pretty much it. We'll get into it. It, we'll get into it, yes, but I want to also talk about.
Speaker 2:Maybe we all share our experiences with acne or skincare. When did we get into it? And since you're the guest, I'd love for you to go first. So what was your relationship with your skin when you were younger? Did you take care of it? When did you get into skincare?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think I thought much about my skin around puberty when some acne started to show up and I was thinking what the heck is this? I would like to get rid of it as soon as I can, so started using some of the you know proactive. Well, I was never a proactive kid. I was a proactive, wanted to be, but oh, never happened I don't know if I could, just I don't remember the exact circumstances, couldn't get my parents to pay for it or whatever. What it may be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, but I was just doing everything I could to get rid of my acne. Acne is like so uncomfortable and I just like remember those like fiery pimples where you just like it would like brush up against something and like your face felt like it was on fire yeah, you feel like everyone's staring at it when you go to school or you go to like a social event and you just, you know, maybe very self-conscious yeah, so I was.
Speaker 3:I don't even know exactly what products I was using back then.
Speaker 1:I mean, I remember like the biore strips back in the day like trying to get rid of blackheads oh yeah and is that when you like first started like educating yourself on like, okay, I need like these three steps, or I need you know something to like I don't.
Speaker 3:I know I definitely did not think about it as like a routine at that point. I just didn't have that level of sophistication around it. Um yeah, it was just. It was very informal and just like very all about how do I get rid of this acne.
Speaker 2:I didn't care about, like, sun protection, I didn't care about anti-aging. I mean, you just, you're so young, you just, yeah, you want to get rid of it. And all the products were like drying it out, basically, alcohol straight to your face exactly like we.
Speaker 3:Yeah the um the pad like the oxy pad oh yeah oh yeah, oh yeah. But finally I went to the dermatologist and they prescribed differinin at the time, which I believe now is over the counter, but back then it was prescription only.
Speaker 1:And I do believe it's like a Is it like an acid?
Speaker 3:It's a retinoid. But it comes in like a clear cream form or clear gel.
Speaker 2:It's a gel. Yeah, because they sell it as a different gel now. Yes, yeah, but it's like the highest strength over-the-counter retinol at the time.
Speaker 3:A retinoid, yeah right yeah, and it um it. It works pretty well, I think I mean depending on how severe your acne is, but it worked really well for me, like I remember starting to use it in high school and I kept at it through college and even got some friends onto it oh my gosh, you've been influencing people's skin care for decades. Yeah, yeah the original influencer like I don't know about that, but um, yeah, what's the like prescription that you take that like really dries out your skin.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, did y'all take accutane? Accutane, that's what it's called. No, but I had some friends in like high school that took it and like I literally watched their faces like shrivel up and it was like crazy to see but then like their acne also like cleared up, it was miserable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did it I forget how long it is like. You have to do it for like a certain. It's not 90 days, maybe it is three months, I don't remember. But you just are miserable the entire time. Your kidneys hurt, you're dry everywhere. Your lips are peeling. That's when I got addicted to chapstick um smuckers. But I would go back and go through all that I mean not smuckers.
Speaker 1:That's jam. What's it called? No, what's the one that had all the different flavors?
Speaker 2:lip smackers, smackers yes you really had me until you said jam, I was like it was pepper flavor. Yeah, yeah or starburst, I wasn't there for the you just eat them for the meal. I was there, like I was when. Addicted is like picking which type of chapstick, like you could oh yeah shitty
Speaker 2:but they taste so good yeah so, uh, I had to like get very picky with which chapsticks I used, but Accutane was miserable and I think that if you're pregnant while taking it, you will give birth to like a cigarette or like an alien or something who knows what's.
Speaker 1:Oh, because you have to get like um pregnancy test. I remember, like my friend who was on it she would get like cysts in her. What's it called there's? Like cystic acne yeah, maybe that's what it's called um, but she was on accutane so she had to like get pregnancy tested, like every month or a couple months or something. Yeah, one time she got like a false positive and she was like, oh my god, I'm pregnant and she's like I haven't even had sex, so how's that possible?
Speaker 3:I can take.
Speaker 2:I'll be pregnant.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I use tretinoin now, which is like a you know a different type of retinoid. Retinoid yeah, you also can't use it while you're pregnant, like I don't think you can touch retinoids, retinols, whatever you Okay, yeah, you don't want to mix the two. I don't entirely know why but I think we should just trust the medical experts.
Speaker 1:No one should get pregnant. All of our listeners don't get pregnant.
Speaker 2:This is your PE education class on sex protection. Don't have sex, Otherwise you're going to die. I want to know like.
Speaker 1:How did it feel as a kid growing up with acne, caleb? Like bad enough that you had to be on Accutane. Were you really self-conscious about your skin? Did you not really care? But your parents were like, oh, we should fix this problem for you and you should go on Accutane. Did it cause insecurities later on, when it came to your skin?
Speaker 2:Yes, all the above. I will start by how I felt, because whenever I took, accutane was around the same time I was coming out and exploring the gay world, and so I was already very self-conscious. He came out when he was 16. Correct.
Speaker 1:How old were you, Jamil?
Speaker 3:18. Oh wow, and you were 18 also, I was 18, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, it must have been something in the water back then.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Come on 18 also. Yeah, oh, it must have been something in the water back then. Yeah, um, come on, carrie underwood. Um, I, I remember so like I was trying to get attention from like boys and stuff, and then my acne used to be horrid like I had cystic acne I can't wait for the instagram post oh yeah, I'll do like a before and after.
Speaker 2:I don't care okay but like I would never do that now, uh like, uh post any photos about the same level of acne, like I was so insecure about it. But I think going into dating men or trying to like get attention from men when it was already so taboo, plus having this deep insecurity I think both of those aligned, like insecurity about being gay, insecurity about my skin and my acne, so I don't know, I feel like they just compounded.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you said, jamil, that your like skin wasn't like super bad, but you like had some pimples every once in a while. Yeah, so, like what made you like really like dive into skincare, or did it not really come up until later in life? It was later in life, yeah, I. I mean I've had a few friends that have been a lot more into skincare than I have for a lot longer and just kind of being in their.
Speaker 3:Yeah I, I mean I've had a few friends that have been a lot more into skincare than I have for a lot longer and just kind of being in their orbit. I'll give them a shout out. The ones that come to mind are andrew hoagie and martha foley, so if you're out there listening, shout out for all of your inspiration. They were always, you know, trying new skincare products, telling me about them, recommending that I tried them, offering like hey, do you, hey, do you want to try this tonight?
Speaker 1:A little sample. Andrew and I were roommates for a while. Do they work at Nordstrom? Are they little Nordstrom beauty people?
Speaker 3:No, I feel like every time I go into.
Speaker 1:Nordstrom someone's like here you go, try this. It's going to be great.
Speaker 3:No, I started using SPF regularly a while before I got fully into skincare, but it wasn't until I was like 27 or 28, I think specifically okay, when I went to costco, as I do every once in a while, to do a costco run, and I saw a korean beauty kit okay everything I needed in a box that was like a eight or maybe nine step routine and it was labeled with the numbers with each product and you just bought the box.
Speaker 3:It was like 100 or 125 dollars. I was like you know what that sounds like. It's worth it yeah, and that just gives me everything I need, because before I felt so overwhelmed by the options and like which order and like again andrew martha others.
Speaker 1:The internet had been saying like oh, you know so you just had like a short report of things, yeah, and you're like I have all these things.
Speaker 3:I don't know what to do with them, but now there's this set that's like okay, yeah, everything's like in order, and I know I have everything I need to be beautiful, exactly, exactly I don't even know if I had even that many products before that but yeah once I had my kit, I was set and I was gonna follow every step and it was just. It really made me appreciate, like, how nice it can be to have a skincare routine and just go through those steps and it feels like a little bit of you time every day to really just take for yourself yeah, way almost meditative, yes yeah, okay, I feel like I also started with a couple little products, but then I got into like a kit that was part of like nordstrom's anniversary sale and it was like five steps or something.
Speaker 1:And I like talked to the girl and she's like, okay, do this in this order. And I started using it and I started drying out my skin and I started breaking out and I was like, okay, fuck this, I'm not doing this anymore. Yeah, the purging, the purging. What's the purging?
Speaker 2:like when you start new uh products. Do you know about this? Like, if you like, especially like acne products? Like it brings a lot of the uh crud out of your pores to the top, so you, a lot of times, you will react and get more acne at the beginning, right and then that's why people stop using it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but when you're got your, you're talking about your eight step, seven step skincare routine and how there's. There were so many products on the market and even now there's even more. There's so many products, but very little education and all these companies. It's like a free-for-all yeah they're like oh no, use ours. It's going to clear it like. It's like it's like so overwhelming yeah, and I think it's so personalized too right, like would you say that, like skincare routines are very personalized to like?
Speaker 3:what your goals are yeah, but how do you pick from different brands and know like, like it's, there's not much education for it yeah, I think something to, something to keep in mind too, and I will make some comments, I'm sure, throughout this conversation, that are counter to this, but I hear a lot that less is more too. You don't have to have a ton of products and a really complicated skincare routine, but I think you're going to love my skincare routine.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 3:I think everything that you choose choose. You should know why you're choosing it not just because someone says, use this like, you should say I'm putting this into my skincare routine because I'm hoping for this desired effect, or I?
Speaker 3:want more moisture, or more moisture, or I want to help my skin down the line, you know you should always know why you're putting something on your face, versus just like someone told you to yeah, um, you should be asking why. Now someone could tell you and if you really trust them, like hey, but yet still you should be like asking why am I doing this? Like, what results have you seen? And not everyone's gonna have that like friend they can call up, that's gonna know. So you know there are lots of resources online. You just should be choosing wisely about what you're reading and think about like who's publishing this and are they standing to gain anything from?
Speaker 1:it.
Speaker 3:You know, or are they just really just trying to get information into the hands of consumers Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And, speaking of my friend, andrew also told me about a resource that unfortunately, no longer exists.
Speaker 1:It was called beautypedia.
Speaker 3:It was like Wikipedia, but just for beauty products.
Speaker 1:Wait, that sounds wonderful, and it's gone.
Speaker 3:I think it was purchased by another company that I think well-intentioned, but it's just not the same anymore. And so it just doesn't function the same. But that is where I did a ton of research, because I wanted to find skincare products that were affordable, right for me, addressing the needs of my skin that I wanted to kind of resolve and that were well-reviewed by customers and by skin experts. So that's kind of what it did for me at that point.
Speaker 1:So you are basically Beautypedia. People say Skinpedia. Do you have you memorized it before it came down?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean it was years ago, but I still remember a lot of things that stood out and one thing that I learned as well like thinking about there's a lot of skincare myths out there.
Speaker 2:Like, you do not have to spend a ton of money to take care of your skin, there are a couple of you know types of products that, yeah, you may want to go for a fancier version, but there are so many people out there throwing away their money on super expensive face washes, super expensive moisturizers and those are things where if you, I mean it's just pretty easy and accessible to find good quality products at a affordable price it's so interesting because I think a lot of people who do have sensitive skin, they don't learn until like they just have tried everything and then they're like let me less is more approach that you were talking about, but I also love the dupe culture that we have right now on social media for these expensive products.
Speaker 2:Like this does the same and they're explaining like it does feel a little different but the results are the same. Or like this is the consistency you want, but La Mer consistently gets really good reviews, although it is super crazy expensive. I wrote down so many questions while you were just talking.
Speaker 1:Ask away.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you were talking. So it relates to one of these things. You were talking about putting things on your skin and it may smell or feel great, but it may not react well. I immediately thought of semen on your face.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, which we don't have to include that part, but it does tie.
Speaker 2:Which Wait, it does feel good on your face. I don't like any of that experience.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, but Some people love it, the smell, the taste, the consistency, that's a whole nother topic.
Speaker 2:We don't have to include this too, but I let Walk us through. Like cleanser, do you do serums Like what is your?
Speaker 1:What's your daily routine?
Speaker 2:Evolved into.
Speaker 1:So, I think every morning people should be washing their faces and I go if I don't do it, or like ding ding ding If I do.
Speaker 3:It's your podcast, I will say I will put an asterisk around morning. I do know some people and some dermatologists who skip the morning wash because, they've washed at night.
Speaker 2:It also depends on the products you put on the night before.
Speaker 1:Okay, wait, I want you to do it too. Yeah, are the dings? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I wash my face every morning, okay Ding.
Speaker 3:Then you need to be either applying an SPF that is moisturizing, or applying a moisturizer followed by an SPF.
Speaker 2:We have to get into that, because SPFs piss me off, because the consistency of it is miserable. I've tried mineral ones, I've tried all these. I hate them.
Speaker 3:Have you heard about how the SPFs from other countries are much more advanced because the US has not approved any new sunscreen chemicals since the 90s.
Speaker 1:Countries like south korea have these advanced sunscreens that are much better in so many ways absorption, application, all these things, and and protection, because their uh, health professionals yeah whatever insert the right terminology here have approved these things that the us has just not prioritized for years, because I actually just used like a korean sunscreen, uh, this past weekend and it went on so smooth and light and no what the what's it called when? Uh, white cast, white cast. There's no white cast it was wonderful.
Speaker 3:Do you remember which, what it looked like or what brand it was?
Speaker 2:it was called mermaid something mermaid sunscreen or I don't know. It's kind of gimmicky to me okay the name but I'm so. I didn't get burned. I am yeah. Yeah, I've been influenced k-beauty. I'm wearing.
Speaker 3:I'm wearing a korean sunscreen right now. I applied it this morning what's the? Brand. Okay, so some of them are korean names so bear with me you don't speak korean no, no, no, sorry, um round lab is my current favorite okay, it's very moisturizing. It has like birch sap or juice or something in it it's spf 50. Lovely, you should be wearing what's the minimum?
Speaker 3:30 or higher, okay 30 is like the the bare minimum, but you should be wearing spf every day, even in the winter, um, because there are still rays coming. I mean, even if you just want to prevent aging. Yeah right, like we've only got this one face.
Speaker 1:Well, unless you got the money to get a new face. Yeah, I started wearing sunscreen as like a means of moisturizing because, yeah, every time I would get like a new moisturizer to try out, it would make me break out. And so I was like the only thing that I could put on my face that didn't make me break out was like sunscreen, and for the longest time, what I used was just like copper tone. Oh, isn't that awful it's not awful because, your skin looks. Yeah, that must be.
Speaker 3:Why. What? What age did you start that, do you think?
Speaker 1:probably 16 or 17 or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's great to this day that I mean yeah, your skin looks wonderful and you were in high school applying spf every day you can't get those years back because my proactive moisturizer made me break out, so I used my toner and my cleanser or whatever. So you were just walking through the high school halls smelling like the beach and sunscreen. I mean, I like the smell. Personally it doesn't bother me but people don't like it.
Speaker 2:So many of them are so oily and I'm a texture girly, but okay, so Round. Lab K-Beauty SPF.
Speaker 3:The other really popular brand right now is Beauty of Joseon.
Speaker 2:Stop it. I just recently got onto them yes, I have an eye cream coming from them and my oil cleanser upstairs is from them.
Speaker 3:Okay, so now you just need to add maybe the SPF to your cart as well. I just prefer Round Lab a little bit. It's a toss-up and they're always going on sale or changing prices. I think the price is pretty comparable.
Speaker 2:How much are we talking? 20 bucks, yeah, I would take 20 bucks for a bottle that maybe lasts a month, maybe a month and a half.
Speaker 1:See, I like to lather it on.
Speaker 3:That's great, yeah, I really do I buy the huge tubes now of.
Speaker 1:Ulta MD Another good one. Yeah, I like their stuff.
Speaker 3:Ulta MD is a really great brand. I love crave beauty. Start to the k k r a v.
Speaker 1:Is that another korean brand?
Speaker 3:uh, no, this one's in the us. They're very like eco-conscious, eco-friendly, okay, um, really good products. They actually make another one of my favorite products, which we'll get to a little bit later. I think, okay, um, but anyway, but in the morning, that's all you really need to do, like you okay, say it again like bullet point, because I've lost wash your face, wash my face, wash your face. Make sure you're using spf. Yeah, either with a moisturizer or moisturize beforehand okay I like to, you know, make everything easy.
Speaker 3:So I have an spf that has moisture riser in it, which is round lab.
Speaker 1:So that's it at night so just those two things that's the bare minimum. Oh my god, that's all you really must do, okay yeah, but I'm not gonna start cleansing my face or washing my face every day.
Speaker 3:I'm a repulsor, I didn't why why do I have to do it? Think about everything you're encountering throughout the day like, yeah, like air pollution, yes, precisely cooking. Um, if you're sitting over something while it's cooking, I mean all of that all of that is getting into your pore like sitting on your face and you're getting to wash all that away and then put nutrients and moisture on it.
Speaker 2:Skin is our largest organ. Yeah, fun fact. Yeah, I didn't know that, yeah, and you're just exposing it to all of that every day.
Speaker 3:Okay, if we have any listeners. In Columbia, south Carolina, I recently met.
Speaker 1:I recently.
Speaker 3:sorry, it sounds like I just started an ad.
Speaker 1:It's possible. I love this. We want to hear from you.
Speaker 3:I recently met this great gal who runs her own I don't know what you'd call it like a beauty shop.
Speaker 1:She does spray tanning, she does facials, all these things like an aesthetic like yes, yes, thank you, I could not think of the word maybe um but I will.
Speaker 3:Maybe we can link to it or something. She posted a great video literally like two days ago that talks about like why you would not want to skip washing your face, and she has like these great metaphors and it was. It's pretty convincing, okay. So at night, after you've gone through your day, you've been exposed to air pollution. You've been exposed to fumes, spices, aromatics, whatever the world is throwing at you more coffee.
Speaker 1:Food caught in your mustache that as well.
Speaker 3:Um, you want to wash again and I highly recommend some kind of retinoid if you are not pregnant or planning to get pregnant only that sounded so addy only at night. Yes, oh yes, only at night I mean I mean I say that that's just what's highly recommended. Retinoids make your skin more sensitive to the sun.
Speaker 1:I've heard that.
Speaker 3:So they recommend that you just do them at night, followed by a moisturizer and then you can call it good if you want to.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Okay, so those are the basics, like pretty, pretty simple. Wait, that's easy yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, approachable.
Speaker 3:Another reason, though, why you may want to do your retinoid at night because, going back to the morning, if you want to get more complicated, the first step in kind of advancing and uploading your skincare routine is a vitamin C serum. I've heard enough people talking about how beneficial vitamin C is for your skin and enlightening and brightening and all the things I also recently heard about like ferulic acid.
Speaker 1:Never heard of it.
Speaker 3:Yes, and I found one. So SkinCeuticals has a really popular one that is on the more expensive side, but their patent is expiring next year, so that means more dupes should be able to come out.
Speaker 1:What does it do?
Speaker 3:I believe it's also about like lightening and brightening and anti-aging.
Speaker 1:So you're saying I should try this once the patent expires.
Speaker 3:Well, I found what someone says is the closest dupe which is available at Target and it was like I think it was like 20 bucks for maybe two ounces or so, but you're using so little of it that I think that bottle's gonna last me definitely a few months.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:The next one on my list if you wanna continue to try new skincare things is the Mixsoon Bean Essence.
Speaker 1:Now Mixsoon Bean Essence.
Speaker 3:Yes, Bean Essence is the type of product, mixsoon's just the brand. Okay got it and this is for just increased moisture and, you know, elasticity of your skin and people just like love the results they see and I like it. It is what how it was described to me is.
Speaker 1:People in korea have been using the snail mucin forever and that like went viral in the us over the last couple of years so is that like snail mucus yeah, oh yeah so I thought for sure you were gonna be like no, kyle, yes, it, it literally is in, in, you know, obviously formulated into a bottle and it, you know it doesn't.
Speaker 3:It's not really gross feeling in my opinion. Okay, but I used it and, like I, I wasn't like wowed by my results. I was like, and it's, the application process, if you're applying it correctly, is a little like, in my opinion, slightly too complicated. During my skincare routines, I'm like I just I don't know about this. So I saw someone talking about the bean essence.
Speaker 3:They're like well, everyone in korea has moved on from the snail mucin now okay, um, and this, and it's vegan, yeah, exactly and one thing I think I glossed over when it came to retinoids and nighttime is I did not discover tretinoin until a handful of years ago. I was going to the dermatologist, which is another thing. We should all be seeing a dermatologist on an annual basis oh, my gosh adam ripon went today.
Speaker 3:I said I will be talking about him later, oh great go to your dermatologist on an annual basis and have your skin looked at to see if there's any concerning areas in terms of skin cancer specifically. I mean you could be looking for any number of reasons, but you should really be having your skin examined by a professional because you want to spot things early.
Speaker 1:You know the A, b, c, d, e's of skin cancer and do you want to say what they are? Oh yeah, let's do them pop quiz you go ahead hey, asymmetry, okay, yeah, okay, you guys got it ding ding ding b.
Speaker 3:Border c. Color d diameter e edges.
Speaker 2:That's right, I always forget E thank god imagine.
Speaker 3:I don't think I knew any of them.
Speaker 1:I've been to the dermatologist once and it's because I had scabies oh, ouch, yeah that sounds rough Caleb is dying.
Speaker 2:I almost spit out my wine. Thank you for sharing that. Did you get it from a toilet seat?
Speaker 1:no, I think I got it from a yoga studio. Ooh, did you get it from a toilet seat? No, I think I got it from a yoga studio. Fucking so I don't do yoga. B-chrom yoga I like use someone else's matt.
Speaker 2:Never use someone else's matt, guys, I got scabies well, you liked matt, he was a nice guy not this one I want to go back to your targeted concerns, because then I would love to go down the rabbit hole of food, alcohol and vaping impact on skin, because that's lovely. But okay, targeted, targeted concerns. We did eyes, we did retinoids. Do you have? Like? Because like what is it now the bigger, like texture or discoloration, vitamin C covers, or like what are other concerns that people typically have?
Speaker 3:I think I mean anti-aging is just a big old umbrella and no one intended it to be.
Speaker 2:I would say that that's my number one concern is like wrinkles, yeah, yeah, or like elasticity, yeah, which is a newer thing, right like the last decade, because, like 10 years ago, everyone was in the tanning bed every day right, but we didn't fully understand.
Speaker 1:I don't think the impact of uvs on our skin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and depending on your age when using said tanning bed. You may not have cared, even if you did know.
Speaker 1:Do you want to know a fun fact about skin elasticity? Yes, do you know that people who are like growers, not showers, have more elasticity in their skin and that's why it, like, gets smaller and shrinks up when they're flaccid.
Speaker 3:That is not what I expected to come out of your mouth Me neither I actually had a very clear prediction of what you were going to say in my mind.
Speaker 1:That wasn't it? No, well, that's a fun fact.
Speaker 3:That is fascinating.
Speaker 2:I am so glad you bought a penises because penis skin complexion is so important to me when it comes to like if something is there is a doctor that specializes in New York.
Speaker 3:Specializes in it in New York in the complexion of penises. I don't know, complexion is the right word, but um, let's just say, like Botox for your private area.
Speaker 1:Oh, scrotox. Have you heard of scrotox?
Speaker 3:I didn't know it was called that but yeah was called that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, yeah, to give you smooth balls. So people should just start masturbating with a moisturizing vitamin c serum.
Speaker 1:Oh, we could is that gonna burn? I don't again.
Speaker 2:I'm not a doctor, okay I thought you're speaking from experience. No, I do prefer moisturizer, but we don't have to include any of that.
Speaker 1:But um, okay, wait I just like started using this lube called uber lube. It has vitamin a extract in it. My dick has never been softer.
Speaker 3:I mean oh in a good way. In a good way, Okay. Well, I literally was like oh no, like the skin.
Speaker 2:He's like I'm no longer a shit eye in men and women, anything. So, bottom leg.
Speaker 1:That's cool. That's nice. That's cool. I take care of my whole body.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that From tip to top to tail. So, going just back to products and skincare, the other one that I want to give a big shout out to is called Great Barrier Relief, and this is by Crave Beauty. A lot of their product names are very punny, but this serum slash moisturizer, it's kind of a duel. It is just so wonderful to my skin when I feel irritated, or like my skin feels irritated, I should say not me when I'm really irritated, I just slap on the serum um my skin feeling just a little irritated or dry or like maybe too much sun exposure or shaving.
Speaker 3:I mean like a lot of us well, all of us here at this table I think, experience hair removal in some different way from our faces and that has been a problem for me in the past, just getting irritated. And that's actually when my dermatologist told me about tretinoin, because it can help with skin irritation and it has done wonders for me and at around the same time. So I don't know which product to award, like my like skin savior more between tretinoin or grape berry relief. But my shaving irritation is almost completely gone. I still get it like a little bit from time to time, but I was at a point where I could not shave my face without just both sides of my face being so red and I was so self-conscious and just inflamed for at least a day or two, yeah, and I was like well, what do you do with that?
Speaker 3:like I mean fortunately, this was, I think, during the pandemic that this started happening to me, so like I was staying home a lot but like and wearing a mask oh yeah, I'm sure that wasn't helping, um, so anyways, I'm just super happy with the irritation problem being gone and I really just recommend great barrier relief to anyone who is just looking for literally what it says like relief for your skin like that's like after shave, basically for you I was always taught it's important to exfoliate when shaving, do you like?
Speaker 2:can you explain to me the idea of exfoliating Because chemical versus physical? Do you do it before or after?
Speaker 1:shaving. I heard that because men shave, they don't have to exfoliate their face as much.
Speaker 3:I've also heard that I think this is a really person-dependent type of question, but generally speaking, I do think exfoliating is important to just kind of reset your skin, clear everything off, get crap off your skin. Um, the industry, from what I've observed, is really moving away from physical exfoliants and moving towards chemical exfoliants because they're so much less disruptive to your skin's barrier, because there's like micro cuts yes exactly.
Speaker 2:Do you remember?
Speaker 1:St Ives apricot scrub yes.
Speaker 3:That's what.
Speaker 1:I used to use as a kid all the time and I like, love that like it had like walnut shells in it or something and it would just like scrub your face but it'll leave you so dry.
Speaker 3:I don't think physical exfoliants are the end of the road. I mean, we think physical exfoliants are the end of the world we should not be using st ives after, don't get me wrong. Nothing but physical exfoliants do disrupt your skin barrier a lot more and to your point, micro cuts etc.
Speaker 1:But you know, sometimes we really want to get everything off and have that nice soft feeling especially I think on our bodies can be a little different the other thing that I've heard, and I don't know if this is true, but that exfoliation prevents like ingrown hairs.
Speaker 2:So if you're like shaving your face or if you're like prone to ingrown hairs, then you do want to exfoliate well, chemical ones are working better now because I well they work better for me than a physical one when I get my butt waxed what is a chemical exfoliant for your butt? Like acid you put acid on your butt well, it's a tight, it's like a serum and you're not going to understand like a skin, a skin like a salad like an aha bha, oh, like a salicylic, or okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it targeted concerns.
Speaker 2:Did you have more on your?
Speaker 3:list. Oh well, we haven't talked about slugging. When you really want to reset, okay, and I know it sounds kind of gross and some people have tried it, some people hate it, some people are very scared of it. I think it's.
Speaker 2:It sounds like you're describing a kink or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like when you put banana slugs on their body.
Speaker 2:Or you can just pee on them and they shrivel up.
Speaker 1:Keep going.
Speaker 2:No, thank you.
Speaker 3:But slugging I have come to love especially. But slugging I have come to love especially after a maybe overindulging on a night out or having a lot of sun exposure in any given day or week or weekend.
Speaker 1:Okay, one, what is it? Two, what does it do?
Speaker 3:applying your moisturizer and then applying a layer of some kind of pure petroleum, so a Vaseline or a aquaphor. Healing ointment is my preferred one, and then you go to sleep.
Speaker 1:I do that every day Go to sleep yeah.
Speaker 3:Cause you am I not supposed to do it?
Speaker 1:every day. I mean you could, but Every morning and every night. So you're putting.
Speaker 3:It's like Ulta.
Speaker 1:MD post-procedure care.
Speaker 3:And you put it on your face every single day, across your whole face.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh and neck, you've been slugging this whole time.
Speaker 2:So I think you must have. I'm a slugger.
Speaker 3:Straight men's skin. I was. I was gonna say, if you're putting that on every day and you're not appearing, greasy to us then you probably have pretty dry skin, so your skin's really taking all that in, I think.
Speaker 1:So I actually started using it, like when I started using like concealer under my eyes, because, like I would put the makeup on and it like would not absorb and it would just like sit and cake on top so then I started using this, like post-procedure care, as my moisturizer. I don't use any other moisturizer yeah but it it's really just like a really thin petroleum jelly, or is that wait? Is that what?
Speaker 3:you use yeah, yeah, yeah okay that's fascinating, though, and okay, I guess, if you're, that's the only moisturizer you're using, then yeah, I guess it makes a little more sense. Yeah, an spf but yeah it has moisturizer in it, if okay, if I were to I mean, I don't know your specific product, but if I were to have applied aquaphor this morning, I think you'd still be able to tell shiny right now, today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd be like I mean I'm kind of shiny as it is, but like I'd be so greasy looking I do do love a dewy look too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. Dewy is very in A lot of people love that it's very demure.
Speaker 1:It's very girl, it's very clean girl, cutesy, sweetsy, okay I do have to say, one of my favorite things that I found for my face are sheet masks. They're like the Patchology sheet masks. They come in this pack of three for like 20 bucks. There's like one that's hydrating, which just like makes my skin feel so plump and like youthful, and then there's like a illuminating one that just gives it like a little bit of like glow I don't know what. It is very like dewy, and then there's a soothe one if you're feeling like irritated girl. I think they recommend that you do all three of them in one sitting or something like that Sounds like a lot. Yeah, I use them when I need it, but I love a good sheet mask.
Speaker 2:Do you rub in the extra serum? Oh girl.
Speaker 3:Don't let it go to waste.
Speaker 1:Yeah, also, I went on a trip bali and we had a layover in um hong kong and I went to like one of the little like beauty stores in the airport and they sold these like 10 packs for like five dollars or something and I got so many of them and I love a good like hyaluronic acid moisturizing sheet mask I love this for you yeah, I sent you a sheet mask holder on your face thingy yes, I thank you for the reminder.
Speaker 3:I still need to order it um because that's a problem I have. Going back to facial hair, I think that does not help. My sheet masks stay on I don't use them super often, but I like to you know, I like to mix them in when I feel like it. It's a nice little self-care moment. Self--care Sunday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like a little spa day. Yeah, we should get to the meat of things.
Speaker 3:I think it could be said that, as members of the LGBTQIA plus community, there is a perception sometimes that when we reach a certain age, we are no longer seen as desirable or as part as part of the like you know, market, if you will, yeah, and I know that's true for folks that don't identify as members of the community either, but I think there's a specific type of stigma, if you will, um about.
Speaker 1:I know people who have like like rip, like death themed birthdays when they turn like 30. Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 3:It's like oh you're, you're dead in the gay world right, yeah, like I've heard those types of phrases which are so stupid and silly. But it is out there, it's something that exists, some people's perspectives, and so I think that may kind of multiply the anti-aging pressures we may feel as members of the community.
Speaker 1:Do you feel that pressure to like stay young, and do you think it's exacerbated by being gay?
Speaker 3:I do feel a pressure to maintain a youthful appearance, like I don't, you know, I don't really want wrinkles, et cetera. I also have a thing about like looking tired, like I think I always have a tendency to look tired so I'm like trying to like mitigate that. But to answer the other part of your question, I haven't done enough. I think inward reflection to know like, is it more so because I'm gay or not?
Speaker 1:I'm just hypothesizing that in real time right, yeah, yeah, do you feel that way, caleb?
Speaker 2:a thousand percent, and I think my perception has shifted over the last like year or two, because a lot of the men that I date or hang out with or whatever, are typically older than me. So then I felt like I really started aging, noticing signs of aging like the first signs, like over the last like year or so, and I know that when I say aging loosely. But even like the gray hair, or even like waking up tired and having under eye bags.
Speaker 1:I could go out for like a binger sleep for an hour, you know, like a year ago, and be fine, yeah, is the fear that you're not going to be attractive or to be able to attract the people that you are attracted to with gray hair? Because I feel like the people that you know you, that you typically date, are older than you like.
Speaker 2:I feel like you have like so much time you know, like to even get to the point where you know they are yeah, well, like it's cutesy and fun, like having as many gray hairs as I have at 26, but like you know, 15 years from now, I I'm not going to be like that's not so cutesy and fun, or even just like that's why I have been is trying to do the more proactive skincare regimen, but it's so hard because I don't think a future Caleb he's a lost cause.
Speaker 2:But I definitely think there's a huge impact on just being gay and skin and like skincare relation relationship, because I think the skin is especially uh. Complexion is one of the first things I compliment or notice about people and I think that says a lot about my perception of how big of an importance that is as I'm just a human, let alone a gay man.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Listening to you guys talk about skincare over the course of this episode and how it's not really targeted towards gay people, it's really towards everyone, it makes me feel like everyone feels that way.
Speaker 1:Everyone is trying to be younger or more supple, or it just like reminds me of death, becomes her. You know, like everyone wants that magic potion that's gonna like make them young again, and I feel like it's an inherent anxiety in all of us and I think it's like a portion of it is due to like social media and the fact that, like we as humans are so comparatively driven, like we're always looking at what other people have and what we don't have in comparison to them. And I did like a little bit of digging into like the pool of psychology research that's like kind of around this topic and everything I'd say like the main themes that came up over and over again were that the more we see beauty like advertisements in social media or like fit models, the more we feel less about ourselves and it leads to like body dysmorphia and eating disorders and like the fact that we are constantly comparing ourselves to like what others have, it bogs down our own like self-worth.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the skincare industry is marketing off that, yeah, I know. Or profiting, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's any way to like really get out of it, you know because, like, people are going to sell products and they want their products to look good. You know, like I was just doing this photo shoot with lindsey um, with peace, peace love local, which, um, her products are live on the site now. So go shop peace love local dot shop um, you know she had beautiful models with beautiful skin that looked beautiful in her clothes that, you know, looked really good. I was one of them. I love that.
Speaker 3:I love that. Oh my gosh. You're starting to lose the unfamously to just be famously.
Speaker 2:Wow, oh my gosh, you put your first modeling session.
Speaker 1:And I don't do anything with my skin.
Speaker 3:Okay, Did they touch you up with makeup though? No, they didn't, wow, okay, hey, that's a huge compliment to you.
Speaker 1:But the beauty industry. They want their products to look beyond beautiful faces and youthful faces, and that's going to cause us, as human beings, to compare ourselves to advertisements and social media, and I don't really know if there's any way around that I'm not sure if there is either, but it is reminding me of a recent episode.
Speaker 3:Y'all did on just like relying less on technology and thinking about, like our instagram feeds or whatever social media platform of choice, as you're scrolling through and you're seeing whether it's celebrities or influencers or your friend, and they're all, for the most part I'm going to generalize showing the best version of themselves.
Speaker 3:Maybe it's slightly altered, maybe they put a filter on Maybe they used a special app, or maybe they just found really incredible lighting or got their makeup done or did their makeup themselves or whatever it may be, and you don't know that right going by the picture like your brain doesn't automatically always know that and think about that. You put your phone down and you look in the mirror and you don't look like that because you're you're just woke up irl.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're just like irl and but like I think it's so easy to be like, oh, why don't I? Like I want to look like that and it's like they look a lot closer to what you look like right now in real life than they do on your feed. Yeah, one of the studies that I read it was.
Speaker 1:They took, you know, a group of people and they split them randomly into two different groups. The whole whole group was asked questionnaires about kind of their perception of themselves and their beauty and their self-esteem and like those kind of measures. And then half of the group was shown these like you know, models that like athletic models, beauty models, you know all of these like unrealistic um expectations of beauty. And then the other was shown like body positive images on social media and then they took the test again about their self-esteem and self-worth and um perceptions of their own body image. And the group that saw the body positive like had no effect and the group that saw the unrealistic yeah, expectations of beauty, like their self-esteem went way down, yeah I believe it so have more things in your feed that show you know lizzo crushing it basically yeah, she was canceled, but um
Speaker 3:that's such a good point, though, because I try to curate and clean up my feed periodically when I'm actively thinking about it, and I think it's a really good thing to think about more frequently, like if you're looking at something and it's not making you feel good about yourself, like you should pay attention to that signal. Yeah, mute it. Yeah, click, mute, click, unfollow whatever it may be. I mean, yeah, if it's someone you know like, maybe you just mute because, you don't want to cause some drama.
Speaker 1:Right or take a social media break. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Every once in a while. All of the above, all of the above, we have it on just our iPads now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, social media is just on our iPads.
Speaker 2:Really, yeah, including Grindr. Whoa For me. Whoa, just, I'm envisioning because you know how you do an iPad app. Wait, that is only here. Yeah, yeah, I know, oh, but you, can throw your location to other places right.
Speaker 1:He doesn't pay for that.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1:I think that's free, isn't it?
Speaker 2:No, you can explore, but you get one free message.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's right, but I'm just envisioning him on his iPad because they don't make the iPad app, do they?
Speaker 2:So you have to hit the 2X where it's like the iPhone 1X. I think what I love seeing is because love seeing is because you you mentioned I'm on the tiktok all the time is what's blowing up is more natural beauty. Yeah, and people calling out people for saying shit, like there was this whole tiktoker who was like everyone has to buy this lash serum mascara and everyone was like we can tell you, tell you have on actual mascara, not just the like lengthening.
Speaker 2:So not like people are being bitches and calling them out, but like if you're trying to like misrepresent something and like people just like like Brittany Broski, like you're gonna get her like all dolled up or you're gonna get her from like her nightstand table, like I. I think that's way more approachable and I enjoy seeing it. It's refreshing for sure.
Speaker 3:Billie Eilish.
Speaker 2:Charlie X, charlie xcx like those, see, maybe they're just more clean girl aesthetic, but they have very much more approachable.
Speaker 1:There's a little bit of that, yeah, yeah yeah, moral of the story is everyone's beautiful exactly the way that they are. And all of these like products that we're talking about today, like use them if they're gonna make your life better, right? Not because, in comparison to other people, they're gonna make you feel better, because they're going to make the inside. That's beautiful. Match the outside.
Speaker 3:Yes and yes. Keep going. Just be sure to clean and SPF like protect your skin.
Speaker 1:I know I'm going to start washing.
Speaker 3:Because you don't want to have. None of us want to have skin cancer. I don't think anybody wants to get cancer, and SPF is the number one way to prevent that you know it not. Obviously it's not a sure bet, but it's going to decrease your odd significantly, so it I would just add on to that. I think what you said was beautiful and you just want to also just protect yourself yeah, okay, let's do victory and vice.
Speaker 2:Yes, I agree, jamil. Would you like to go first? Oh, okay, and you get to pick which one you want to start with.
Speaker 3:I am going to go with my vice because you know not to sound all sappy, but I just love to end on a positive note.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:I don't want to give away the punchline, okay, so. Punches in the face, jj and I are going to a friend's wedding in maybe about three weeks or so in Washington DC and we're super excited. Um, it's for my friend Mark and his lovely fiance Nick If they're listening at all shout out maybe by the time you're listening, you'll be married and um, we're very excited and Mark is friends with Adam Rippon and he's on the guest list.
Speaker 1:And I just said in the last podcast that he was gonna be my next boyfriend so you really did set it up.
Speaker 2:All right. However, start washing your face.
Speaker 3:I found out today that adam had to decline oh no he had some like scheduling conflict. He had originally said he was gonna come, and then I think, I think and then something fell through. So unfortunately, my dreams of meeting adam in a couple of weeks in DC have been shot and setting him up with me. I know he is married.
Speaker 1:What? But you know, maybe there's.
Speaker 2:I'm into throuples, that's fine. Yeah, people, exactly People are doing all sorts of things these days.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, yeah, oh God is my advice.
Speaker 3:I, mark and nick, I'm so excited to come celebrate you. It's going to be incredible. I'm just the teeniest bit bummed but I I feel better for being bummed, like I felt a little kind of like an asshole for being bummed. It felt very selfish, yeah. But then mark told me that they haven't told nick's mom yet because they know how disappointed she's going to be because she's a huge fan did you think he was going to do like an ice skating routine at the wedding or something? I think she just wanted to meet him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she requested him to sit next to her, like on the front row, and then she gets there to the wedding and she's like where?
Speaker 1:the fuck is he.
Speaker 2:I'm not coming, is the?
Speaker 1:bride or the groom friends with Adam. So it's two men.
Speaker 3:Mark and Nick identify as male and Mark, who is my friend, is friends with Adam and I.
Speaker 1:Mark, who is my friend is friends with Adam, and I don't recall the specifics, so I'm two degrees of separation away. Exactly that's all I needed to know, We'll try to make it happen.
Speaker 2:Get into ice skating.
Speaker 1:I can ice skate.
Speaker 2:Do you want to share your victory next?
Speaker 3:My victory is that JJ's sister, so my husband's sister, just had her second baby today.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. Yes, did she name it after you. She did not name it after me.
Speaker 3:She gave it her maiden name, so JJ's last name Brooks. I guess it's fine to say that's so cute.
Speaker 1:So Brooks. Howell was born today I know a couple of Brooks and I love that as a first name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's very cute he was almost nine and a half pounds. Wow, so it's a big guy but, it's very excited we are flying out to meet him in just a couple of days.
Speaker 2:That's so exciting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, very excited. Do you like babies? I like them. I don't consider myself very good with them. I'm kind of that person that doesn't know what to do when, like I get one, like I hold it for a few minutes. I'm scared to like stand and whatever. Jj's incredible with babies. So, yeah, we're, we're very excited to meet the little new one and have some good family time and do all that stuff.
Speaker 2:That's so exciting Is your victory advice, juicy, um see um, because mine's not not really okay, it's kind of short and sweet. Okay, then you, you can go okay, I'll go next.
Speaker 1:Uh, my victory is that I accepted my job offer why are you making that face? No, because I'm so excited because we talked about it a lot but yeah, I'll be like running the events program for a master sommelier over in Bellevue, washington, and I'm excited to get started. But I'm even more excited that I'm taking a couple of weeks off before I start. I'm leaving for a P town tomorrow and I'm going to be celebrating my friend. I'll be his 40th birthday. Shout out to Albie and that's it.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm really excited because I was there for the journey of the whole job and, like the decision, everyone all of our listeners have been through the ups and the downs yeah, but then you talking about like finding clarity and then I remember you coming back.
Speaker 2:I was asking you on the trip. You're like oh, I need this trip to decide you haven't decided, and then you yeah, I accepted it. So yeah, I'm just very excited for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too um, and then my vice is that I'm going to p-town and I'm probably gonna make some bad decisions while I'm there, but it'll be fun. And, um, I'm probably gonna spend too much money while I'm there. But, like I said to caleb, I have my, my little uh savings account that's for spending, you know, on vacations and whatnot. Hopefully I don't go over my budget, but I probably will. All right, kayla, what's your vice in victory?
Speaker 2:I'm going to say my vice has been shopping. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's lots of deliveries from Amazon lately, but I'm benefiting from some of them.
Speaker 2:Truly, I am over here picking off my nail polish because I maybe want to do my. I got a new gel nail kit that I'm excited to try. I got a new butt waxing kit that.
Speaker 1:I'm excited to try Shout out to our friend Fernando, because we got it for him to wax his butt Medically.
Speaker 3:Only I have so many follow-up questions.
Speaker 2:I will be going at it with the medicinal insight Also. I think I may have told you whenever we pre-planned this, I went to nursing school because I wanted to do medical aesthetics.
Speaker 3:Yes, and that was on a former episode as well, I believe.
Speaker 2:Yes, you mentioned um, so I'm actually really excited to. So if anyone wants their butt wax, please let me know.
Speaker 1:I would love to do it I thought that you were taking on the gel manicure and I was taking on the butt waxing, and so we were turning the ADU into like a uh esthetician studio as well.
Speaker 2:Um no.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I'll review the clientele for each one and then decide from there. Okay, Okay. I'm going to book you with Kyle for both of your sessions. That's good Um so, yeah, I've been shopping. I literally the other day was like, oh my God, come look at my thrift haul.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, hold on.
Speaker 2:Is this your victory or your vice? This is my vice shopping. I've been distracting myself.
Speaker 1:Sounds like a victory, I know, but I've been.
Speaker 2:The products are great, but I've just been distracting myself from other things in my life. My victory is that I and she there's something I feel I don't know this odd guilt when I see performers who used to sell out arenas and then not at an arena. There's just this like feel.
Speaker 1:I feel the need to like sell it to them that I'm enjoying it even though I, even though I enjoy it less because you feel like you're selling it I feel like sometimes yes yeah I felt that way with jesse mccartney, but her I like, started crying during um concrete angel, always with a broken wing
Speaker 1:that one because she, like, hit the fucking high no, was this inspired by, like the music we were listening to on our road trip? The uh me going to the concert? Yeah, she was already on my list but it made me like solidified even more.
Speaker 2:yeah, because I think that you gave it more meaning, like it reminded me, I guess, of of what it meant when I was younger and I got these two cute little cacti with cowboy hats.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my victory. Someone that I've admired for a long time, and she hadn't been to Seattle since 1995. And last time she was here, tim McGraw opened for her, wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see, I mean, and that's an incredible statistic, but that to me sounds like she was ignoring Seattle during her peak fame. That's true.
Speaker 2:But I mean a lot of like. That era of like Jodi Messina doesn't come out here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:Like Tanya Tucker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jamil's also a fan of the Shania Twain era of country.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Female pop country. It's the only way to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so cunt, so slay.
Speaker 3:Got engaged at a Shania Twain concert.
Speaker 1:That's right. I didn't know this, you didn't know that.
Speaker 3:No wait, no, no, no, sorry, not the one in Seattle, I did it at the Vegas residency.
Speaker 2:Okay, not the new one. I'm currently doing another one. I saw her in Nashville for that tour.
Speaker 3:And it was so great, the one where Kelsey Ballerini opened Stop oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Well, she's from my hometown, but then she also brought on Tanya.
Speaker 3:Tucker and Wynonna Jo, half of my hometown. You better sing it.
Speaker 2:Well, we should have done that one. You could be Kenny.
Speaker 3:I'll be Kelsey.
Speaker 2:Fine, but thank you for joining us on this topic. I really enjoy the idea of skincare and like, but I just it's all fed to me so quickly on the internet that I'm like, oh my God, this is great, I'm going to use this and then, out of sight, out of mind, you're like you should see my drawers upstairs. But now I feel like I am more intrigued by it because I know, like the why behind it. Yeah, so thank you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you, jamil, for coming on and teaching us all about skincare.
Speaker 2:I needed to learn a lot clearly, but I just, I just admire you for your skin. We can end the episode, but like I'm just so jealous because it's giving straight men skin and who, like, put Dove on their face and like don, you're talking to me. Yeah, oh, wow, yes which I admire you for your skin, and you say you always look tired.
Speaker 1:You never do but remember that I'm gonna start like cleaning my face every night. Cleansing, is that the right word?
Speaker 3:you can use both. They're fine. Okay, we're gonna keep a chart.
Speaker 2:We'll keep our couture chart and then tell me again if I still have it. We'll do it.
Speaker 3:Get dry. That means you need more moisturizer.
Speaker 1:If you get dry, apply yes, okay, that works too I mean apply regardless, but apply more if you get dry.
Speaker 3:And maybe invest also, let's say, in just a straight up moisturizer so you can apply it whenever you want Don't worry about it In addition to your L2MD gel situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do use hyaluronic acid.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right. L to MD gel yeah, yeah, I do use hyaluronic acid. Oh that's right. Yeah, I like that. That's a serum, is it Okay? Well, there you go.
Speaker 1:Now I know Thanks all for listening to this week's episode of unfamously unwell and um know that everyone out there is beautiful inside and out, no matter what beauty products you use.
Speaker 2:But until next week. We wish you well. Wash your face.
Speaker 1:You're beautiful. Thanks for listening to another episode of Unfamously Unwell, the unrated podcast hosted by your two favorite Seattle homosexuals on a journey to higher health. Listen each week as we deep dive into a new topic and give you all the dirty details of our successes and failures along the way.
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