Well, for a part of our soft open, because I fucking forgot to mention it when we recorded the first episode of this season, you can add modeling to my resume.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised that's not like your. Wasn't your like victory?
Speaker 1:I know I just it completely lost. Left my brain when we were recording, and I've thought about it every day since.
Speaker 2:Tell our viewers what you did, sir Listeners, because we don't have any video, but you know what I mean. One of these days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this individual had messaged me. Did he ever message you on Instagram months ago Talking about doing a photo shoot, and I was like I don't want to pay for that, I don't need to do that, but it's like their whole like.
Speaker 2:Wait, they offer like a service.
Speaker 1:Yeah, their whole like stitch is they do like defining binary, so it's like boudoir meets Defining or defying.
Speaker 2:Defying, like defying gravity, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, Boudoir photos meets like sexual or gender fluidity type thing is their vibe. So anyway, I never followed back up with them. And then I was at softball practice two weekends ago and I get a message and he had sent me the sorry, they had sent me the inspo pics and it was like based on Tate McRae, it's called Two Hands, and I thought that I was going to be the nude model. Oh yeah, so I'm at softball practice and I'm like sure I'll come, but I need to go home and shower.
Speaker 2:And then I'm like yeah, I'm upstairs trying to trim my hoo-ha as fast as possible and I'm like I have nail polish only on three of the toes.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, what the heck? And then I'm like, okay, I have a couple of acne that I need to shave and I get all of this done, and then I go as I'm driving over there, I'm reading the message again and it says the hand so two hands yeah, so I get there, I did.
Speaker 1:and again I, when I was thinking about afterwards, like a random person messaged me on instagram and I agreed to do nudie shots at his apartment. I just showed up there and I, you know, and I'm always like I don't know how that happened to me. Well, caleb, look at your decisions. So I go and he has a full like photo shoot set up in there and I'm like, wow, this is serious and this tall man, this hunk of a man with muscles.
Speaker 2:Show me a picture. Oh my God he is. I know those tits are. We'll have to post something to Instagram. Whenever they post a photo shoot.
Speaker 1:I'll put it on Instagram by the time this comes out. Maybe I can post it. Anyway, I get there and he's in full lingerie Hot, hot, hot, hot. What do you mean by lingerie? So like a little skimpy under britches? Okay With like lace and it's like a one piece body suit, like kind of like a oh yeah. A swimming, a bathing suit.
Speaker 1:That's one piece, but it's all like lace and his pecs are just it's a thong with like a little skirt over. It's beautiful. Um, he embraces me for like a minute. He was like we're about to be intimate, so like let's just get it out of the way. I'm like, okay, okay, fell asleep gently on his head, on his chest um and then.
Speaker 1:So the idea is my hands are wrapped around him like two hands on this person's body, and I'm tucked and squatted behind him, but they're. The whole idea is to not see me. Luckily, this man has muscles to the gods. But like I'm behind him, my nose is between his butt, cheeks, and my hands are like moving all over his body that I can't see. And then he turns around.
Speaker 2:So you're like covering his dick or something.
Speaker 1:No, like all over his body, like up his chest, like just two hands on him. I put him in different positions. It's like over his crotch. Then he turns around.
Speaker 1:I put him on his ass and you know when he turns around his dick is to my nose, there's a little cage on it and like I'm looking up at him talking and he's like, oh, it's like what do you do for work, my neck or his dick on my nose? He had my lingerie, me shirtless, my hands on his ass, cheeks, I'm a hospice nurse this is what I wanted that would be a lot of work. Honestly, I couldn't do. That couldn't be a model a lot of work, to do what you do too, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, but then afterwards the photographer was like oh, since you came and helped last minute, I'll take some photos of you. So I wore this like skimpy lacy under britches and did some photos and I haven't gotten the back yet, so we we shall see, yeah, but add model to the resume. Model comma end. Comma end of sentence period.
Speaker 2:I am a model and model employee, that just adds to your unfamousness, yeah and a model employee.
Speaker 1:Also, we celebrated a friend last night for their birthday. Happy birthday, but we went and did karaoke. So it it was funsies, it was a lot of fun. Oh, and we saw that man who sang ave maria in the original key months ago.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we talked about that, the phineas and ferb night.
Speaker 1:Yeah so he sang ave maria and I was like I remember being in love with him. Then I saw him. I was like, oh, maybe not he.
Speaker 2:I made eye, contact him with him while I was singing celine dion and I was like I remember being in love with him. Then I saw him. I was like oh, maybe not. I made eye contact with him while I was singing Celine. Dion and I was like, oh, that's the Ave Maria guy. So I, after the Celine Dion song, went to go get you and I was like, oh yeah, the guy that you were crushing on, who was saying Ave, Maria.
Speaker 1:And that high of a key is here, so we go. Are you going to sing? Yeah, and that high of a key is here, so we go. Are you going to sing? He's like no, that was back when I was drinking and I pointed at his beer. It's a zero ABV, Uh-huh. And then he's sober now, but in my brain I'm like you don't know if you're going to sing, but you came here to get a non-alcoholic beer by yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you have a voice like that. It doesn't require alcohol in order to hit those notes. If anything, your vocal training has taught you that you probably do better with alcohol in your system Because you have better breath control. I don't know. I thought he was going to slay the house down boots.
Speaker 1:But no, boots were had. No, he sank fine, but he didn't hit any of these keys or notes or any pitches and I'm like potential was lost.
Speaker 2:I don't know, he just was so nervous, yeah, and I've never seen that side of I guess. I only met him one other time.
Speaker 1:Speaking of dentists. Recently you come after we walk away you say did you see his teeth? They're bad. They're worse than yours, caleb.
Speaker 2:But, caleb, yours are doing so much better. You got a crown and I got my little brackets removed.
Speaker 1:You know what, and on this podcast you come across as really kind, but last night I wanted to smack you in your face.
Speaker 2:What did I do when but last?
Speaker 1:night I wanted to smack you in your face. What did I do when you said that comment?
Speaker 2:That wasn't even about you.
Speaker 1:It was about someone else. You insulted him, but then you were like insulting me at the same time which is funny, but I'm like it was like a backhanded insult. Yeah, and I was like it's like I insulted someone else, but you caught the ricochet.
Speaker 2:Wow yeah, and I was hoping you'd go up and sing and you did laugh.
Speaker 1:You would go up and sing again and I would burlesque you and pull the mic or something.
Speaker 2:The backing track Acapella. Oh, you know I would go into acapella.
Speaker 1:Oh I know, yeah, very true, very true, but overall it was a fun night. We got home at a decent hour. We had some food. I had my first peanut butter sauce on a noodle. It was great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, caleb's never had peanut sauce before, no, okay. Well, this week we're going to talk about a couple different topics, but they all kind of tie back to a month of sobriety that I tried out as part of my wellness journey back in January.
Speaker 1:Obviously, silent, dry January yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to make a big deal about it, because I I felt like you guys were going to like pressure me into drinking or something, which I don't know why. I felt like that, because when I was doing my like juice cleanse, you were very supportive, but I don't know. I just like I kept like substituting, when you guys would like have drinks or whatever, with like one of those um, what's the shroomy St Juniper?
Speaker 1:St yeah, is it.
Speaker 2:St Juniper. Something like that was the name of the like bottle that we had, but yeah, but I think it was like lion's mane there's like kin ashwagandha yeah, kin euphorix is one of them. There's like a bunch of different like alcohol alternatives out there now yeah, which we were just talking about.
Speaker 1:We want to do that as an episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whether it's like gummies or drinks or all the coffee mushroom oh my gosh mushroom like, like all of these functional mushroom beverages that are out there.
Speaker 1:Like no psilocybin in them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I just ordered a 12 pack of three different types of them, called like moonwalk or moon can.
Speaker 1:So those will come in this week. So, and then I'm going to order a few other items so we can do a whole episode on that, like try it for a while and replace it, like not in addition to alcohol, but just only have those things and see, yeah, report back how we felt, yeah or didn't feel so that's to come, but this week's episode I thought that I'd start off by kind of explaining what it means to be a sommelier, because this kind of all ties into alcohol and not drinking for a month and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:So I figured we'd start there and I feel like, well, let me start by asking you, caleb, like what do you think a sommelier is?
Speaker 1:I've interacted with one of them once in besides me yes, okay, in vegas, and they were like talking about the wine, the notes of of it, what it pairs well with, and you know it fell on deaf ears.
Speaker 2:Is that at a restaurant?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is in Vegas, okay.
Speaker 2:And you know it fell on deaf ears so you asked like hey, um, I'm not sure which wine to order. Can we speak to the sommelier?
Speaker 1:No, I think he just came up to us, but he actually did listen, because even then this was a couple years ago I was still on my Riesling kick. And he gave a bottle of like 2011 Riesling and it was actually so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was so good. Rieslings age really well, because they have like higher sugar content usually and higher acidity, so they usually, like, are more age worthy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's my only interactions with them other than you, because every once in a while I'll find that like uh on instagram and it's like what wine pairs well with this. It'll be like thanksgiving dishes or different types of chips or soups or, you know, canned meat I would love to what goes around with spam. And then I like then I always like to like, ask you and be like what do you think goes with this?
Speaker 2:yeah, sometimes I'll get the same answer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but a lot of them were like very weird, very, very weird, right, yeah, like one of them was like a red wine. You were like why would you do a red wine with? That? Doesn't make any sense. I was like, and I trust my sommelier kyle because he's a level two, that's right. So oh yeah, sorry, give them a definition okay.
Speaker 2:well, I think that, like a lot of people um picture a sommelier as like one of those people that like get up on like stage and they have like a bunch of like wine poured in glasses and they just kind of go through and they like taste them really quickly and then they like can identify the year that and the varietal and the maybe the um, the producer or winemaker that made that wine all from like a smell or a taste, and I think that that's like a fun um party trick that some really great sommeliers can do.
Speaker 2:But in general, um, it's not that.
Speaker 2:It's really more about, like, what you experience at the restaurant, which is experience at the restaurant, which is a sommelier is someone who is a wine scholar.
Speaker 2:They study wine and they know a lot about the different types of wine grapes that grow in specific regions and they can predict what a wine is going to taste like based off of who made it, where it came from, the varietals that are in it, and they're good at especially if you work in a restaurant at pairing that with whatever food you're going to have, right, so that, in general, is what a sommelier does, and eventually we'll do an episode where we can, like blind taste some wines together and I think that would be a really fun thing to do. Um, but being in the wine business, it really like um kind of got me on this track of drinking wine like every night, and I like every day after work I would have a glass of wine, or during work, you were. Yeah, because you literally have to drink wine in order to start to memorize what those wines taste like and why they taste that way.
Speaker 1:You need repetition. Exactly that's what I'm just working towards. There's not a sommelier training. Exactly With your boxed wine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wonder if there's a boxed wine sommelier certificate that you could get. Like I tried them all, that's something I would actually try Like keep your little coupon codes you know and submit them to the sommelier service and see if you can get a pin. Yeah to Franzia, Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:So like it sounds like the whole purpose of a sommelier, or like why a restaurant would hire them, is to add to the customer experience, right Like, so that way they're having the best advice, suggestions. It also helps them sell more because someone's talking so knowledgeably about it and if I go to, if I'm having a nice dinner, it adds to my experience if I have a nice bottle of wine with it. So it sounds like that's the whole premise of it is to be a resource of information.
Speaker 2:It's that, and usually there are different levels of sommelier within a restaurant and, like, a higher level sommelier will be in charge of building the beverage menu for a restaurant. So they will decide which wines to import from or buy from importers or distributors and they will, you know, create the wine list that customers can select from. So they're the expert in every single bottle that's on that menu and then they, you know, train the other sommeliers as to what flavor profiles and what to pair them with. So, anyways, that experience in the wine industry just kind of had me drinking wine every single night and I just needed like a hard reset, and one.
Speaker 2:I think that I did it because addiction, like alcohol addiction, runs in my family and I don't know that like I would say that I was like dependent on it to like, you know, go to sleep at night or what have you. But I definitely like got used to it and it definitely wasn't having any like positive effects on my life. And and also, like, when you get accustomed to having a glass of wine at the end of like every shift or you're tasting wine from different distributors throughout the day, then it just becomes, like you know, just a general part of everyday life and it becomes like habitual and the like US Surgeon general has said now that like no amount of alcohol really is like good for you. Well, no, yeah, it's a toxin, uh-huh. And so really I just wanted to like find out, like can I just take a break for a month? And like, what kind of like impacts is it going to have on my life?
Speaker 1:That was actually one of my questions. It's like, what made you do it? And then why do you think it's popular to do in January specifically? Is it because, like the holidays leading up to it, like you're drinking a lot more, or is it kind of like, oh, like I'm starting the gym this year, like, and they go for january, and that's it like that type of idea, like a new, fresh start? Or do you think it's depending on the holidays? Or why is january dry january? So pop it.
Speaker 2:See what I did there pop in bottles and bottles or, you know, lack thereof yeah, I don't know, I think it's probably different for everyone, but I think it up. But afterwards, after like a couple, after like a week or so, it became more of like um, it was harder, because of like the social pressure of it all, to like go out and enjoy time with friends without having alcohol. Just because it's like become it becomes second nature to like walk into a bar and order a drink and no matter the time of day yeah, and it almost there's also like this like tell me if you've ever like felt this way before.
Speaker 2:But, um, like, do you ever feel like you have to like give a bar money when you like no, walk into it? No, okay, I always feel like, okay, I'm using their space, like I'm I'm a patron of this, like bar or restaurant or whatever. Like I need to like order something yeah, but then that's why some bars have covers yeah, but usually they like have a cover so that the prices of the drinks are less. So people are buying more.
Speaker 1:Oh, I never put those two together yeah I was just like I have to pay to use their space and enjoy the atmosphere and the music. Uh well, queer bar needs to get on that bandwagon because their drinks prices don't change. Yeah, and they're kind of pricey. Which alcohol out here in general is wild, but that when we went to the karaoke bar last night it wasn't that badly priced but like you can get, okay, wait, I got um, I got a beer and a soda and it was like 16, oh, but they had bud light for four dollars or mcculture or something that's's because Jamil was really excited about it.
Speaker 1:No, but I well, I think, because the lady she just I really I told you I was kiki-ing with her. Because, I was like she only got four hours of sleep. She just moved into her new place. We're going to hang out she lives off the Othello station but she only kept charging me for like a shot, even though I got a vodka. Red bull, wow, she liked you well. Yeah, why would you know? I don't know and then I got a high noon.
Speaker 2:It was like seven bucks okay that's not as bad, but it is crazy. The prices of alcohol, and it like doesn't surprise me at all that gen z are, like you know, engaging this whole sober curious thing Because at the end of the day, okay, yeah, the Surgeon General says that it's a toxin and no amount is good for you. And it's literally so expensive it's like hundreds of dollars to rack up a bar tab just for one person If you have like four or five drinks in a night, which I guess is binge drinking.
Speaker 1:But we're not gonna talk about that, uh who's who's doing that well, attacking me for my teeth too, and this I wasn't attacking you, I was just saying in general if I have four or five drinks in a night, then that's probably 100 bucks oh yeah, that's that's true. Yeah, that's pricey. That's that racks up more than your my amazon bill a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what do you think about sober curiosity?
Speaker 1:I definitely is it real.
Speaker 2:Is it like bisexuality?
Speaker 1:no, I just think that people, they it's kind of like self-awareness.
Speaker 1:Like they're like I wonder like what this experience would be without alcohol. And even just like at the bar, it gives you an activity, like to drink, yeah, like you have something in your hand, you're doing something while being around people. So the alcohol itself, you know, I think helps with like any social anxieties or anything and make people giggle more, like it's a part of the atmosphere. And then, like it gives you the activity and like going to the bar or to order a drink and waiting in line, talking to people in line, like it's a whole activity in itself. Right, I do.
Speaker 2:What is it about? Like the alcohol part, like in in, not just like a soda water or whatever.
Speaker 1:Well, that's fair, because I think that you even got that last night. I think it's a good replacement because, again, it's giving you an activity. Yeah, and then it also helps people not keep asking you all night do you want to drink? Why aren't you drinking All of this other stuff? But yeah, I like the idea of being curious about sobriety, because I also have drinking abuse in my family, so I support it. It's something that I'm on a journey of figuring out myself, but yeah, I think people should drink less.
Speaker 1:Like the patient I was supposed to admit today had dementia caused by alcoholism, had dementia caused by alcoholism because it like not only just your liver, like your kidneys can get fucked your heart, your brain, all these other things. Yeah, it's wild and like you get cirrhosis and people, you can literally get like those types of veins in your throat so if you vomit it bursts like you're bleeding to death I just started watching the pit oh my god, it's so good. I've been telling you about it, yes I.
Speaker 2:It is wild the number of ways you can die.
Speaker 1:It's so accurate, though, like their interactions, the way that people get talked to. There is another. There's a lot of episodes that have like wild stuff that goes on, like it talks about people, like diverting drugs, like the doctors it talks about, like abuse from patients that nurses experience. So it's wild and there's a lot of drinking involved with a lot of those patients.
Speaker 2:I wonder if, like yeah, people that work in hospitals abuse drugs the way that, like Somalis, or people in tasting rooms abuse alcohol, they literally call it employee water, like white wine. White literally call it employee water, like white wine. White wine is called employee water because you just go back and take a swig when you're thirsty.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because I think drinking is the most normalized vice. Yeah, or for substances. Yeah because even now smoking people are like ew, don't do that. But if someone's drinking it could be like 3 pm or 2 pm on a weekday and people are like, oh yeah, I just went and got a drink. That's so normalized and accepted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's definitely seen as the least vice of all substances, but in reality it's like there's a lot of people who die from alcoholism or have adverse health effects from it, or whatever. I'm not trying to be preachy or anything, I'm just like speaking my mind, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean we would have patients that come in that are detoxing from it, and there's this medicine called Antabuse that like if you take it and then alcohol is introduced to your body. It makes you throw up and.
Speaker 1:I've had doctors who have like prescribed a beer and the pharmacy brings up a beer for a patient to drink if they're going through withdrawals but not while they're on Antabuse no, like they try different things, and then we have like CWAS scoring, which is like every four hours we're checking if you're having tremors, if you're having a problem speaking, if you're sweating, your alert and orientation, and like we dose you with lorazepam based on that number, from that score every four hours.
Speaker 2:Lorazepam. Who took my lorazepam?
Speaker 1:And she was like I don't have my lorazepam so I'm gonna have to drink myself to sleep if it's very on brand with what we're talking about which we did see a guy that looks like the older brother from White Lotus last night yeah and at first you were like oh, kind of, but then like it really it really came to fruition.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jamil, tell us who that is that is, and we'll tag him.
Speaker 1:Yeah okay, we got way off topic, sorry, my bad.
Speaker 2:No, it's fine Not we, it was me.
Speaker 1:How has your relationship changed with alcohol after being dry for a month?
Speaker 2:That's a good question. I know I have a lot of them. Okay, the outcome, I think, of Sober January for me was one realizing that I didn't need alcohol or to be drunk or tipsy in order to like have fun, Whether that's at dinner, you know, with people that are drinking, or out of the club or wherever Like, it's actually really fun to go out and be the sober one, and sometimes you want to go home earlier than everyone else because you know.
Speaker 1:Everyone's getting a little bit different vibes than you're giving. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But besides that, it was just like a good check in. To be like, oh yeah, actually I'm fun without alcohol. And to be like, oh yeah, actually I'm fun without alcohol, which I didn't realize I needed to know, because every time I've gone out I've had alcohol, and that was since I was 21.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I think I, as someone who's experienced social anxiety for the first time over this last year, it really does help with that, because it, like I think the idea why people enjoy is it makes you like laugh, giggle, do silly things, but it drowns out all of these like thoughts that you're having other than fun, thoughts like all the negative, or like even just kind of blah, like tasks you and chores you need to do kind of just drowns them out.
Speaker 2:And so it turns off your like prefrontal cortex, like brain and like higher functioning, and so you literally, you know, are not using the part of the your brain that's probably causing you as anxiety. You're more in in the present, which is kind of nice, just using your reptilian brain, right, okay, so the other thing that I was going to say kind of came from Sober January was, I feel like it kind of got my like cravings under control. You know, like when you're always around it and it just becomes like a habit that you have a glass of wine or a bottle of wine at the end of every night, then you don't really like think about it. But then when you intentionally like cut it out for a month, then you like almost stop those like habitual cravings of, just like you know being used to doing that like as a ritual at the end of the day, and it just kind of like helped change that habit and honestly I think I might do another like month of it.
Speaker 1:I'll try it the next month that you do it. Okay, that'll be good for accountability. Well, it sounds like almost similar to like when we took instagram off our phones, because then, when you eventually go to reach for it.
Speaker 1:You start realizing how often you're doing it, yeah, but if I think about, like, how often I was on instagram the day, you're like, oh, not that much. But then, like you realize how like each you had a red light, you're getting on it. Or like, every time you go to reach for, you're like, yeah, I'm fuck, I'm addicted Exactly. So, it's very similar. Yeah, I love speaking in metaphors, you're welcome.
Speaker 2:I would also like relate it to my, um, my juice cleanse that I did, which was just for three days, but it's, you know, hard to compare it to. You know, a 30 day cleanse from alcohol, when you're not eating food for three days because you don't need alcohol but you do need food, and so your mind's like kind of like constantly like telling your brain that you need food and, um, but I would say it had the same effect, which was I was like craving chips and you know snacks and soda and you know whatever anything to like, just put it in my mouth all the time, cause I was like I don't know what else do I do? I like I'll have some chips, you know. And after like a three day juice cleanse, I didn't have those sort of like habitual, mindless cravings of like, oh, my brain's always thinking about when am I going to have my next snack or when am I going to have my next drink, or you know what is going into my mouth.
Speaker 1:Over a lifetime, people spend, on average, 32,098 hours of eating, and so, like changing that relationship of like? Oh, it just becomes habitual. You start reaching for things, especially when you're stressed, and like but that's that amount of time they're spending eating. So then you had all of you know broken down just into days, all of that time of like.
Speaker 2:Wow, I really have to fill a void something that, like, is so innate and like you've done forever, yeah jesus, what do I even do?
Speaker 1:do I color?
Speaker 2:yeah, do I get on Grindr and just like search for dick because I have so much time? I need to fill the void. I need something in my mouth well, that's another craving, yeah but yeah, it's. It's amazing, like, how much time you realize you have in a day when you're not constantly thinking about, um, what am I going to put in my mouth?
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Out of context that sounds so wild, but yes, I do know exactly, Like when, what?
Speaker 2:yeah, when am I going to have a drink? When am I going to have a snack? When I'm going to have a puff of my vape? When I'm going to?
Speaker 1:you know it's like when I'm going to the bathroom, like there's so many just like things, you just do the on autopilot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like when you intentionally like cut all of that noise out, then I don't know it kind of like resets your brain. At least it did for me.
Speaker 2:I will say, though, that I talked to someone that's a nutritionist and they also come from a background of, like mental health and helping people with eating disorders and they told me that there is no scientific evidence to show that intermittent fasting or juice cleanses or anything have any like benefit on your wellbeing from a nutritionist's perspective, and if anything like it is used quite frequently within the population that suffers from eating disorders as kind of like oh, I'm just doing it as an excuse to not eat, and so I will say it's not for everyone and it does have its negative side effects. For me, I felt like it really helped me get my cravings kind of under lock.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like that's what fasting kind of is too. Like okay, I can't commit to three days of doing it, but like I can commit to 16 hours of not eating.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know um. Do you have any tips on if anyone wants to try dry January? Like what you experienced, or like what you did in place of it, like you ordered your zero ABV beers, like. So like what tips experienced? Or like what you did in place of it, like you ordered your zero abv beers, like yeah, so like what tips do you have for people like, because it is really hard to do. So yeah, you would. What advice would you give them?
Speaker 2:I would say that, yeah, I did like a experiment with some zero abv beers and there are some that are good and some that are not good. I really enjoyed Corona Zero, like out of all of them, and I tried the athletic ones because those are like really popular and they're at a lot of bars. I thought they tasted terrible, but there's this one called Bero B-E-R-O and it's from what's his name Timothee. Chalamet no Spider-Man.
Speaker 1:Troye Sivan no, the other twink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the other lizard, boy.
Speaker 1:Holland, tom Holland, tom Holland. Yeah, he did Umbrella by Rihanna, yep.
Speaker 2:So hot Tom Holland's brand of zero alcohol beer Because I guess he's sober too. Well, I mean that man Not too, because I'm not sober. Let's be clear.
Speaker 1:Right, and you're also not a famous celebrity in Spider-Man but you're drinking his beer.
Speaker 2:I am unfamous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're drinking his beer and I am unwell.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's his line of beer and his hazy IPA. I've got to say it's pretty good.
Speaker 1:I hate beer. I hate it. It feels like I'm eating a whole loaf of bread.
Speaker 2:Well, when it's not real beer, it doesn't really feel like that.
Speaker 1:It doesn't weigh like that on your tummy.
Speaker 2:But also we're going to do another whole episode on mushrooms. But I feel like that's a really good replacement and doesn't really have mind-altering effects, other than a little bit of if you have social anxiety. I feel like it kind of calms those social anxiety nerves. Um, but stay tuned, we'll talk more about that on another episode. Yeah, okay. So let's talk, uh, about cravings that we have on the daily basis and, caleb, I want to know what you're craving today, today.
Speaker 1:I think I'm kind of going through that slump of god. I have to eat because, like I didn't eat until I got home, like at 12, 30 ish, and I made like that he had like chicken cajun pasta and I ate like three bites. I'm like that's enough, I'm tired.
Speaker 1:I'm tired of this activity. So, like what I'm craving, other than my vape and wine? I don't really have any, but then like I'll last week it was pickles, so I ate like a whole jar of pickles In one day, no, like two, oh okay. And I'm always craving Altoids. I eat at least a can of those a day. Yeah, you do.
Speaker 2:I got into your car the other day and I was like yeah, you do so.
Speaker 1:I got into your car the other day I was like, wow, this smells like my grandma's car. You would not believe I have a little garbage can on my uh car. Every time I go to get gas I empty it like five or six tins tins every time. Every time you wow, it's my favorite candy, which is weird and wild, but peppermint, it's the red altoids. Peppermint is my favorite flavor scent experience because it tingles. I just love it and it gives me something to put in my mouth when I'm driving.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Maybe you have an oral fixation, yeah, which is weird because dicks aren't involved in that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I haven't had sex this calendar year, what yeah? So I gave up sex, sex. You gave up alcohol for a month who wins. I actually didn't give up sex I, I just like. I'm not like we talked about before. I'm very demisexual and like the idea of hooking up. It's like almost like. The idea of like eating in a way is like there's not.
Speaker 1:You don't have the craving, yeah, like it's like cake, yeah, like it tastes good during it, but then afterwards, like you're kind of like meh, mm-hmm. And so usually a good rule of thumb is like if I'm like been really wanting to have sex with someone, I will just like masturbate and then like that'll kind of give me clarity of like oh no, I don't need to do that.
Speaker 1:I know exactly what it's like because the whole idea of having someone come over or going over there I hate small talk. Then we're having to do these things and then like I don't want to take care of that person, yeah, if I'm finished or if I'm good to go bye, like I don't, it just isn't. It's. I think it's like similar to my relationship with food.
Speaker 2:I'm like yeah.
Speaker 1:Because then I'll go through a spell.
Speaker 2:I'm like it sounds like you're on Ozempic, you know, with sex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that too.
Speaker 2:But I've heard it affects both that like you don't really have like the cravings for like sex, the way that you don't have cravings for food.
Speaker 1:Which is wild, because I look forward to it. I could see why people get addicted to sex, but, like to me, I think it's mostly because, like, idea of sex is connection and vulnerability and I really haven't been in that era recently. I've been looking for it more in friendships than I have romantically and my brain ties romance and connection and vulnerability with sex. I'm like I don't want to give that away to someone stranger. Yeah, it's making me realize how all addictions kind of have a similar underlying theme. Mm-hmm, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. Cause like I could give up sex for a year easily, but like wine would be tough, right, you know.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. It's also easier to access.
Speaker 1:That's fair.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, I guess you could go buy sex. But sex work is work Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, um yeah, I've definitely been craving the dick that recently. Maybe it's cause I gave up, you know, nicotine and um alcohol and food.
Speaker 1:I could tell you cause every time you're on the couch and I glance at your phone grinder, grinder grinder, grinder, grinder For the last couple of days.
Speaker 2:I just downloaded it, but yeah, girl, it's been driving.
Speaker 1:I mean we saw our other roommate had sex for the first time in like what a month. Which is not usual for him. He usually has it more often and he has been glowing the last two days in such a funny, goofy mood.
Speaker 1:The weight of the world is off of him and I'm like I wish I wish sex did that to me. External validation oh yeah, yeah. He was like yeah, like some hookups are like having a piece of pizza, like I want pizza. But he said this one was like a perfect lasagna with a wonderfully paired salad, that someone came over with a bottle of wine and was like you can have this for free.
Speaker 2:It pairs really nicely with that lasagna, oh yay, yeah, it's wild through the connections I'm making.
Speaker 1:That's how he explained this sex versus other hookups that he's had, and I was like, wow, if I could have fancy lasagna all the time, then sure, but it's also wild because I think about with sex, like when my, when I first start sleeping with my you know, any exes, I'm like, yeah, this is fine and I remember, like journaling about it, after the first time I had sex with someone who I ended up dating and I was like it was okay.
Speaker 1:But then, like then, the more that my emotions and stuff like grow, I'm like this is phenomenal. Stuff like grow, I'm like this is phenomenal. Y'all have to try sex. It's wonderful. I don't know if you've ever done it, uh-huh and it's yeah. So that's the kind of the correlation my brain. Maybe I should do sex therapy to explore why I'm not attracted to me.
Speaker 2:I mean something's wrong with you if you're not attracted to me, yeah, so well, let's get into victory and vice, now that we've kind of um talked through our topic for today, um, my victory kind of ties to this. Okay, great, you start.
Speaker 1:Um, so I'm gonna give a little backstory. I had a date thursday, went to a bar to watch rootball with friends on friday and then we went to that on saturday, which is a lot of social activities for me and you you know, over the last year I've kind of been avoiding them because I'm like, oh, my therapist says it's because I'm afraid to be vulnerable, which is correct. But I did all those things and I was reflecting on it today. I still had social anxiety, but I think of my like give a fuck meter was kind of lowered.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm so tired of like being so in my head and exhausted mentally going to do social events and that's why I've been avoiding them that I'm like no, I want to experience it and however I show up to experience it that day, the people that I'm around will. They will enjoy it or not enjoy it, but removing myself from it isn't doing me any good. I'm not experiencing life. So I felt like I had it under control and I, what I did was especially for the date, because I was like, oh god, this is a lot of effort. It actually went really well, but in the mirror I'll just start like hyping myself up like I'm like wait, you're actually really funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wait, you kind of look hot right now like and I was like give yourself a little wink in the mirror, yeah, and I'm like wait, my botox is botoxing. I said I'm fucking hilarious and I'll tell myself a joke. And I'm like, and and it, like it like, because we're just correcting the things in our brains, like telling the opposite of that.
Speaker 2:And I actually saw Sia.
Speaker 1:of all people, she said like the singer. Yeah, anytime you have a negative thought, say out loud the complete opposite. And she said, and she said she says it into the mirror. And she said after about six months you. She says it into the mirror and she said after about six months you notice a huge change. Because then you're just like nope, I'm interrupting that.
Speaker 1:Negativity with positivity it's almost like you're looking for more positive things. So it's like oh, like I look a little bloated today. It's like I look skinny as hell, like it's that idea.
Speaker 2:You need to eat something Right.
Speaker 1:It's like oh my God, are you starved? Oh my God, where'd you waist is so tiny. Good thing it's not windy, you'd be blowing away. I love that, just like interrupting those negative thoughts.
Speaker 2:Yeah and so I think that's so good, I think it's.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna start doing that especially as I'm like walking into the social event. That's when, like, I get really, really hypercritical. It's like what do I even say? Like, am I gonna be funny? Do I want to hug them? Do I want to show up a certain like? Then I was like you're funny, you're hell.
Speaker 2:Checked myself out in the window before I walked in the other day when I was putting on an outfit. You caught me looking at myself in the mirror, giving myself a little wink, and you go ew. I cannot believe you just looked at yourself like that Ick.
Speaker 1:You're a hater. Oh, don't even get me started about hating you. Hate me.
Speaker 2:And now you are self-correcting and I love it. Yeah, and I don't have to be self-conscious about myself looking at myself in the mirror, because you're gonna be doing the same thing when have you got me doing very odd, weird things?
Speaker 1:often if I'm not on my ipad, who knows why I get zoomies start clapping like I was at the table yesterday.
Speaker 1:I was so zoomy wide and I was just like but yeah, so that's my victory and it was such an easy, small thing and it wasn't like a oh, I need a journal, oh, I have to do this. It was just like I have literally 30 seconds to do that and it really helped, yeah, especially especially on the date which we've been so synced up lately on, when we're going on dates which is wild, wild one on thursday yeah, you did too, I did.
Speaker 1:And then on tuesday we both have one yeah, and well then, a couple of saturdays ago, we both went on it the day the same day. Yeah, do you remember? Because? Then? Do you remember? Because then you called me on the way home. You're like great, you're awake and you were telling me about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh I forgot all about that man, but still no sex, which is fine for me, yeah, not for me I haven't even kissed him, not for me.
Speaker 1:We're talking about two different people. We're not like playing our third date with the same person, cause then, isn't it five dates? You kind of know where you're like, is it?
Speaker 2:I know, on day one I do too, but like, like, I think one to five, though, like.
Speaker 1:if you're like, oh, like this could be something, then like, then you're like okay.
Speaker 2:Each date kind of like, oh my God, absolutely. And then, by date five, you're usually like I could actually date this person On date one, I know if it's like it's going to go well or not. It's the other four dates that tell me like if the other person is going to put in the amount of effort that I need them to, or like reciprocate, in order for it to, like you know, get past that how would you define what a good date is?
Speaker 1:sorry, this is so off topic, but this is so good, that's good content, like they're they could. The reason I ask is because they say, like a way to measure if someone had fun or not, or is like how much they talked about themselves and so like is, are they going to think the date it went well? If you keep asking them questions about themselves or like sharing stuff about you know know what I'm saying Like what about the date makes it like the ease of talking to them or cause I definitely think my date Thursday.
Speaker 1:There's so many things is great and I really and I'm excited to see them again. There's other people I'm like, yeah, I could, and it's fine, but it's not like I'm jazzed, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know no-transcript squeezing each other's legs and you know, made out in the car and so maybe like the more like physical touch side of things was good, like the attraction was there and you know reciprocal attraction which makes you know you feel pretty too, so, um, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:There's so many things, yeah, yeah well and I think like there's times, I feel like there's like three where like one is like absolutely not, it was horrible. Then there's like the second one. You were like it was like fine, and you're like trying to convince yourself like oh, but they have all these other good qualities. You're like, oh yeah, it was a solid date, which I think I did with a guy before. But then there was other times. I think the third option is like wow, that actually went really well and I'm excited. But then there's a level to it where it's just because there's different levels of vulnerability and there is kind of how you react differently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, what's your um vice? Oh, you want me to do both? Yeah, okay, um, I didn't show up for you last week and I have felt really bad about it since um whenever you stayed up late editing after working all day, oh yeah. And then you're like oh, the episode's up and ready to go live because I told you it would mean a lot to me and it did, but I didn't show up for you. And about having the social media ready, okay, just backstory.
Speaker 2:Caleb told me after recording the last episode that it would mean a lot to him if I could have the edits done by April 1st, because he wanted to like do some social media posts that tied into April fool's day. So I was up all night, um Monday night, yeah, editing it all, and and then Caleb didn't do anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what I'll say is, when I checked Buzzsprout, when I was listening to it, it was like, oh, it's scheduled for April 2nd. I was like, okay, because I also didn't know you were staying up, but that still doesn't matter. And so yeah, I didn't show up for you and I'm really sorry, so that's my conscience.
Speaker 2:Don't let it happen again bitch. Okay, well, don't talk about my teeth.
Speaker 1:If you could do that, then I'll start doing that, Okay my victory and vice is combined into one.
Speaker 2:And after the birthday party we had last night, I decided that I wanted to go ice skating at six o'clock in the morning because the Kraken, the new um ice arena in Northgate, opened, um, I think last year, and I've been wanting to try it out. I love ice skating, it's so much fun and that's when they have their public skate. So I convinced um JJ Jamil's partner or husband to go with me At 6 am in Northgate. Yeah, I picked him up at 545. That's wild. And the reason that I'm trying to do this is because, like we said earlier on the episode and I'm sure we'll have a whole episode dedicated to it but is that when you have ADHD, it is really important to have a routine and I've been trying to experiment with different ways to work like physical activity into my routine and this seemed like a really good fit because it's Sundays, it's like early in the morning, I can go like, uh, ice skate for an hour, um, get some physical activity in and then, you know, get on with the rest of my day.
Speaker 1:And and it kind of helps you not drink on Saturday nights, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so it all just kind of tied in and it felt like a good, um, yeah, tie into sober curiosity and um, and just like, yeah, getting back into some sort of routine. So I get there and the fricking girl behind the counter looks at me and JJ, and goes, it's only for figure skaters. And I'm like, uh, excuse me, we are figure skaters. And I'm like, excuse me, we are figure skaters. And it's 6 am. I was like, do you see this tall, skinny body? I am clearly a figure skater.
Speaker 1:I'm wearing my leggings.
Speaker 2:I'm literally wearing my leggings. Call me Adam Rippon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's an ass. She goes A butt. Sorry, that's a butt, he's not an asshole, that she goes, but sorry that's.
Speaker 2:But he's not an asshole, he's, that's a butt. Continue, sorry, she goes. Yeah, she goes um. No, like these people are um training for competitions, I was like, okay, so so am I. And she's like, well, we don't even like rent skates this early in the morning. And so now, after waking up at five o'clock in the morning, dragging JJ out of bed to come join me to go ice skating, um, and all you know, planned on reworking my routine around this and checking off my, you know, incorporating physical activity into my uh day more. I now have to go back at 4 pm tonight after recording, so what.
Speaker 2:Because it's public skate, not for figure skaters that are, you know, in competition.
Speaker 1:Well, it is kind of nice because I mean, it doesn't make much sense why they would have like public skating at 6 am, because who the fuck is doing that, kyle, other than you? Yeah, but 4 pm seems much more approachable.
Speaker 2:That's what I want to go because there's like way more space. There's only like 10 people out on the ice. There's like you can make a reservation for up to 300 people. Wow, the other one is maxed out at like 30. So we'll see how this goes, but if it doesn't go well and I want to get into the 6 am class I will get into that class.
Speaker 1:We can do a spell.
Speaker 2:We'll do a spell, I will order my own skates. I'll have them custom made. I'll sew my own costume. You can bedazzle it. Oh my God, I'm so in this now, jj, and I will be like um blades of glory, yeah, which is? That's where I knew that celine dion's yeah wait, I love this, okay, well guys, we talked a lot about various topics today what's your?
Speaker 1:victory that was just your like no, that was my like things combined. Oh, like I'm trying to incorporate these new things and you are gonna go tonight, yeah I feel like I there's sometimes the things you just do and I'm like I just want to be there. You want to come? No, I want to be there with the camcorder, as a proud mom. That's my baby out there, because I'm so confident they're going to be phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Just wait until I'm in my bedazzled onesie.
Speaker 1:Wait, I do have a catsuit that's black and bedazzled, with a tail.
Speaker 2:No, it's like the arms and legs are stretchy type thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you'd look great in that. Yeah, do you see how often I give you compliments? Yeah, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:I give you some every once in a while.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I love languages, words of affirmation, so if you could tick that up, that'd be phenomenal. Okay, appreciate you Great.
Speaker 2:Mine is touch, so if you could get down, ew, ew, kyle.
Speaker 1:No, you load all the time. You're like don't touch me as a bit. So true, that's a protection mechanism, so true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. Well, thanks for listening to this week's episode. We will be back in two weeks with a new topic and we can't wait to hear from you guys. So if you have questions about what it means to be a sommelier, if you have questions about sober January or other health trends that you guys are seeing out there, or just want to talk about your own experiences managing your cravings, if you want to talk about ADHD and finding your routine and sex and, of course, sex we want to hear about that too. So you can write us at unfamouslyandwell at gmailcom, and you can reach out to us on Instagram at unfamouslyandwell.
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