The Gospel In The Game Sports Podcast
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The Gospel In The Game Sports Podcast
Rob Harrod - Cleats to Classroom: When God Changes Your Playbook
What happens when you shift your focus from athletic achievement to seeking God first? Former CFL player Rob Harrod discovered the answer midway through his college football career, and it changed everything.
Rob takes us behind the scenes of professional football, sharing what it was like to have a locker next to legendary Gizmo Williams as a rookie and build relationships with fellow believers in a high-performance environment. With refreshing honesty, he reflects on how these locker room connections have spanned decades, now helping open doors for his son's football journey nearly twenty years later.
As an assistant principal and football coach at Millwood Christian School, Rob offers profound wisdom about excellence versus perfection: "Excellence is a direction you're going. Perfection is a destination." This philosophy shapes his approach to coaching, parenting, and faith. His transparency about balancing competitive drive with spiritual growth provides a roadmap for anyone struggling to integrate their passions with their beliefs.
The conversation takes an unexpected turn when Rob reveals the spiritual turning point that paradoxically elevated his athletic career. "I need to focus on Christ and what he's doing in my life, allow him to work. And then those other things were actually taken care of," he explains, describing how letting go of his tight grip on athletic success led to being drafted into professional football.
Whether you're an athlete, coach, parent, or simply someone seeking to live with greater purpose, Rob's journey demonstrates how relationships built through sport can become vehicles for meaningful impact across generations. His story reminds us that while athletic careers eventually end, the character developed through sports—especially when grounded in faith—creates a legacy that outlasts any on-field accomplishment.
Rob, if you could play any other sport professionally, what would you choose?
Speaker 2:I think I'd have to say golf.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I would. Uh, I've always enjoyed golf since I learned it and, uh, you know, I just I was watching some golf this week and I'm like that looks like a good life yeah, no, no, fair weather like nice clothing wow, yeah, that's the big clothing, is the big part of it, right?
Speaker 3:so so what, what, what? What makes you qualified, would you think, to be a golfer? It's a everything about, um, like the long drive, or the approach, like what's your, what's your selling skill?
Speaker 2:Uh, an athletic swing, long ball hitter. But my golf skills probably would not qualify me to be a professional golfer.
Speaker 1:It's all about the sales pitch. Yeah, and you got the style though. You got the style, we'll give you the style.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I enjoy dressing up, getting on the golf course. You know, looking good a little bit of fashion. I'd like to try to be that buff golfer. You know, not the old man golfer out there. I saw a couple guys. The guy this weekend I'm like if I was a golfer, that's the guy I'd want to emulate. You know, that guy who's in shape in the gym a little bit.
Speaker 3:And Rob's always been a guy who's taken care of himself. True, in football league, professional career in 2000,. Early 2000s, 2001, I think is when he retired. So guy that spends a lot of time in the gym, so I can understand that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Now, you, you. You spent a little couple seconds there telling a little bit about what he did. Rob, what do you do currently?
Speaker 2:Currently I, I teach and I coach, so I'm an assistant principal at Millwood Christian School. I was the athletic director for over a decade there, but we started a program, built a program, and I've been coaching there for a very long time now.
Speaker 1:Okay, now what do you coach? Multi-sport.
Speaker 2:Coach football.
Speaker 1:Only football or multi-sport?
Speaker 2:Well, I've coached lots over the years. Football is my primary, that I kind of lead that program. I've done a little bit of basketball over the years that I kind of lead that program. I've done a little bit of basketball over the years. Did a little bit of golf over the years Usually the players were better than me but someone had to drive them out to their courses Did a little bit of triathlon stuff, some track stuff. So I've kind of done a fair bit of a lot of things. Obviously, being a phys ed teacher, I taught almost everything. But yeah, I've kind of settled in on allocating time to coaching football more than the other sports at this point in time so what would you say is um like did, do you still go back to from your career?
Speaker 3:or or do you share something still when you're coaching and say, when I played, here's kind of a principle that really worked for me. Do you have anything like that that you still use from your pro career?
Speaker 2:You know I mean I learned a lot in, you know, my playing days as a football player.
Speaker 2:Some of it is, like you know, obviously technical-based in football, some of it is skill-based, some of it is like life lesson, character-building stuff, and I guess you know being in the pros.
Speaker 2:When I came out to Edmonton it exposed me to different types of personalities in a different environment that from the outside, looking in, you probably wouldn't have guessed what the locker room scene looked like, and not from a bad way, just from you know different people from different walks of life and just a whole bunch of average guys. You know from different walks of life and you know I remember a lot of different stories and you know shared experiences with those players that really you know resonated and kind of I got to some degree formed who I was, you know, as a believer, because that's a different environment to be a believer in is the pro sports world. So yeah, I took lots from it, you know. But also understanding how to work with people I think is the biggest thing and I've talked to my young kids that I coach about. You know like you can be good at this or good at that, but it's your people skills and your people, the relationships you build through football, through sport that carry you, you know, beyond the game and through life.
Speaker 3:So and this is the Gospel in the Game, episode four. I am Dave, he is Dan, joined by Rob Herod, played in the Canadian Football League and has a son coming up as well, and he's on his way to do some big things. And we're just a couple of ordinary guys. Here is Rob. He's not an ordinary guy. Rob's a superhuman athlete. Why are you bringing us?
Speaker 1:down. I've tried to do stairs with him before, okay. Well, he's way better at stairs with you.
Speaker 3:I mean you're, you're special, we're all special, we're all children of god. But he had mentioned ordinary guys in the locker. Dad's ready to bring out the father belt on me here, for some reason I can go in a few different directions on that.
Speaker 1:One, rob question for you. You mentioned the locker room when coming into a professional career, when you played football. Is there anything that kind of took you back, like that shocked you about the, just just the fact of playing pro?
Speaker 2:You know the shock of like kind of in the moment, in the realization that you know what I've actually kind of made it to a professional league, you know whatever league that was happened to be the CFL.
Speaker 2:But the fact that I made it and you kind of look around and you know I happen to be my very first year at Edmonton I got a locker kind of in the corner of the locker room but it was right next to Gizmo Williams and that guy's loud, he talks, he's, you know, he's been around forever.
Speaker 2:I think that was his last year.
Speaker 2:He retired after that year and so, like sitting next to those guys, you know in the first number of weeks through training camp to some degree, and then you realize you're in the real, it's the real deal, and the guys you were watching on tv a year ago are just sitting next to you and you're playing ping pong and shooting pool and just shooting the breeze with those guys and you realize, you know I go back to where I said like it's just a bunch of guys, they just happen to be, have a great opportunity to play football for a living.
Speaker 2:Um, but it is regular guys. We're all regular guys, just different, different skill sets, different sizes and shapes and all that kind of stuff. But, um, yeah, you know that that realization was pretty special and then I got to build some really good relationships with other, um, other believers that were in the locker room prior to me and had longer careers and so on, and and that you know, was a big growing part of my life in how you know I I developed into kind of who I am many years later now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're the faith side of it. I'm glad that you bring that out right away. Was, was there something about some of those players that maybe you didn't know that they were believers at a time that stood out?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, I mean there's lots you don't know about a lot of the guys and you know I got early on when I was in camp. In that first year I got involved with the chaplain who, johnny Collins, was the chaplain when I got there and Brent Cassian actually was his rookie chaplain year. They kind of partnered with Johnny because he was he was ill and then with the passing of Johnny, brent took over and has been doing it ever since there. But I got connected with those guys and they help you get connected. And then some special guys Sean Daniels had been around the league for a long time. A lot of teams still stay connected to him.
Speaker 2:And Kez McCorvey was another guy that you know, know solid in his faith, uh, through his football career and in, you know, at florida state and then the detroit lions and then in europe a little bit, they brought it to canada for a couple years. So those guys, um, really kind of kind of mentored me because they were kind of at the back end of their careers, um, and really helped me as a young guy kind of understand you know the importance of holding on to your faith and understanding that piece while being in this professional world of sports.
Speaker 3:Rob, you talked a lot about relationships and we had a previous guest he had shared in the early part of his journey he had tried to find spots to play. That was his goal of trying to find one, trying to find one. How much has relationships been a valuable tool for you in your life, not only for you know, trying to open doors et cetera, but just paving the way to where you are in life and again for your next generation, for your son as well.
Speaker 2:Well, those relationships are critical, right and, and for all sorts of reasons, you know, from a football standpoint I mean my teammates and the guys I've been in the locker room, you know, and I've talked to you a lot about it, dave, just about the relationship that I've had with them.
Speaker 2:Now, 20 years later, is we're still having those relationships because now my son's looking for opportunities to play football, you know, and those guys are willing to pick up the phone and call a friend and call a coach and say, hey, you know what, I know, this guy, his son's coming out of that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:And so, from a football standpoint and like on a lifelong process, it's like now coming full circle where the guys I was playing with they're all, we're all old and we're all out of shape and we, you know, some of us are coaching, some of us aren't. And then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, our next generation and their kids are all coming through, you know, like Corey Holmes, another great running back in the CFL. I met him in my short stint in Saskatchewan and we've actually stayed connected and his kids are kind of coming through junior high and high school. And so we're at the age now, nice and old, that we're seeing the next generation come through. But the relationships, whether it's for football or whether it's for business or just, you know, development like spiritual development, like some of those relationships it's still about and I would say the guys I'm connected with the most are probably still the guys that had that faith connection as well as football and family and life and those kinds of things.
Speaker 1:I'm going to share with you a cool connection here, dave. So we interviewed a young guy who's a goaltender by the name of Taylor Joseph and I was visiting with Taylor a few years back at a rink. And Taylor goes you got to meet my dad, come, I'll go grab him and bring him over and introduce you to you, dan. So it sounds good.
Speaker 1:His dad walks into the doorway and his dad is Eddie Joseph, who used to play for the Edmonton Eskimos at the time, and so Eddie and I are like he's like Dan, I'm like Eddie, and Taylor's left here in the middle like well, how do you guys know, each other, and so we explained about how Pastor Collins Eddie used to go to his church and then he would my older brother used to invite me to come out with Eddie to the church and I got to know Pastor Collins and then I got to know Taylor, but I had never put all the pieces together on the layers of it.
Speaker 1:So what you're talking about here, with not only the relationship but the layers of the relationship over time, is not only do you get to develop relationships with guys and their kids, but this whole thing of like being part of the family of God. It spans generations and generations, and generations, and so that's kind of a cool connection piece there. So, based on that little story, can you share with us a little bit about how what opportunities being not only of a football player but a believer, has given you to speak forward to the generations?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I would say from the very beginning, the opportunity to be playing in the CFL automatically gave me a platform and you know, god gives different people different ways to have a platform but it was kind of an automatic and I guess I was exposed to that probably when I was in university, before I came out here. I had the opportunity to be a part of CFL Pro Weeks, part of CFL Pro Weeks, and again I got to watch the CFL guys at that point in time, you know, share their faith with kids at schools and we used to play sports and that kind of stuff, and so they brought in some university guys as kind of tagalongs and then as soon as I got to the CFL, it was a natural fit for me to be able to do that, and so while playing I had opportunity to speak to youth groups and men's groups and churches and and wherever. And and you know, like again, my faith journey hadn't, hadn't arrived anywhere I was, it was on the journey, right, and so sharing different moments and experiences in life and how God's worked in my life has always been part of that. And and I think you know I look back, you know, after I kind of got through my playing years and I, you know, god really did a work in my life and preparing me for that, before I even imagined that would be part of my life, cause I didn't like public speaking, I didn't like, um, doing all those things.
Speaker 2:Like I was a kid in high school and university I'm like if I got to do a public speaking thing in front or do a project in front I that was like the worst thing in the world for me, like a nightmare for me. And so, you know, god really worked through a number of those people and just situations and opportunities where he he changed me, like I mean, even at being a teacher, um, like there's no way I would have thought as a high school kid I was going to be standing up in front of kids and talking to them about anything, let alone sports, which I love, but but God really kind of used a lot of years of just different things and experiences. And then, you know, I just felt like, hey, god has brought me here to the CFL level and he's blessed me with this platform. Now I can't waste that. And I really consciously remember the moments in CFL, like early on I'm like you know it wanted to help me clean up some of the areas of my life, cause I'm like, well, if I'm going to be out speaking to kids and saying, hey, here's you know how you live your faith journey, here's how you do it in sports, I better be doing it right myself.
Speaker 2:And I mean, we all make mistakes and I made some poor decisions as a young kid and even as a pro, but I always felt God, you know, being there with me saying, hey, you know what, you know, I'm going to use you if you allow me to and if you, you know, follow my ways. And you know, again, we're not perfect. I'm still not perfect, I'm still making mistakes, but God used that time in my life to kind of mold me and really point me in a direction of my personal faith that allowed me to share that with others. And then, since my playing days, you know, I've stayed connected with Brent, cassie and the chaplain and the alumni association. So that gives me some opportunities to do that.
Speaker 2:And then the reality is is I do it every day in my school. I'm in a K to 12 school, 950 kids, and you know I coach kids, I teach kids, I have to discipline kids, but I've been, I'm very, very fortunate to be at a Christian school that allows me to live out my faith in every conversation of every, every day, and so that's a pretty special opportunity that God's given me. You know, partly because of my career, you know as a professional athlete, but you know what God has done in my career since then as a teacher and educator.
Speaker 3:Rob, this is a unique interview for me because you and I look at you. As you know, one of my very close friends and I get to watch you model your life right A man of integrity who looks after his body, who takes care of his family. You know, when you look at what, as you talked about from the beginning part of your life to where you are now, and now a second generation athlete, essentially your son could be playing pro football one day, and that is the hope. How special is that for you to be able to impart those things into your son. But as he's also navigating it on his own, he's not Rob Herod number two. He's going to be a different young man, right? So how do you navigate that and allow him to still live his life and pursue Christ?
Speaker 2:life and pursue Christ. Well, how you know, like, even in my years of gaining wisdom and experience, you know what I've thought and tried to impart on my son has changed too right. Like as a young guy I'm like, oh, I want, you know, I want him to be an athlete, I want him to do the other things, and you know I've talked about that and you know you want to impart that piece and that's been. I mean, the reality is he's almost 18. Like, that's been a huge opportunity for me to connect with him for many, many years through coaching, Because I'm always coaching him, Not because I want to always coach him, but just because, hey, I'm there, I'm a coach, I can do it. And so he coached, but I've enjoyed it. But it's really allowed us to build our relationship as a father son kind of do. And. But what I also realize is that now that he's 18 he's going to be off at college or wherever he's going to play, and you know he's going to now be a young man where that relationship is different and I have to mentor in different ways. And you know, not only do I want to impart um, the skill base and football stuff with him, but just the godly piece and and the faith piece and that's and that's a, and that's a different path, that's a different journey.
Speaker 2:As a father, Like it's you know it's easy to, you know, have him buy into the football piece, and then it's like, okay, well, how does that relationship now speak into the faith piece?
Speaker 2:And you know, as a man of God, we're called to bring up our children in faith based principles and biblical principles, and so that's been this other journey that's kind of paralleled his growth as a young man, as a football player, as a student, and it's like, okay, as a young man of God, and you know he's grown up in a different time than I grew up, and then you guys grew up and it's, you know, that faith journey is different and I and I can't feel like I can control it all myself I need to impart wisdom, I need to share with him and then I, from there, I need to put them in God's hands and let God just do the rest.
Speaker 2:Because you know, and it was almost the same thing in my faith journey, Like you know, you kind of do your parents' faith. You have a faith. It's at a certain level and then at some point it's got to become your own. And now he's entering this phase of life where he's got to make those choices and have those experiences that are going to shape his you know faith and relationship with Christ, for you know the rest of his life moving forward and the growth there.
Speaker 1:So so, growing up as an athlete, talking about the father son perspective, did you have someone that mentored you or helped you in your life as you grew in your faith as a young man?
Speaker 2:Yeah, my dad, my dad and my mom were both kind of into sports and athletic. You mean, by the time I was around enough to recognize my mom hadn't hadn't been playing a lot of sports. She stayed active doing different things. My dad still played some hockey. He was in the military, but I mean both.
Speaker 2:I'm a very fortunate to have really good parents. Like both my mom and my dad did an amazing job raising me as just a person, um, helping and supporting me and my desires to be an athlete, um, but also guiding me from a faith perspective. My, you know they were both, you know, strong people of God. My dad since passed away, my mom's still around and you know my dad was always in the word. I remember so many things just watching my dad. You know I'd get home from school, he'd be home from work. The first place he is is he's in his Bible, he's reading his Bible before dinner and you know, like it's those little things, it's almost the unsaid things that we're watching his life, that say, okay, how do I need to get better and what can I do? And so I saw that. So I was very fortunate to believing parents.
Speaker 2:Now, they only came to Christ as young adults, before they started having kids.
Speaker 2:And you know, they thought in their worldly minds that, well, if we're going to have kids and I have an older brother a couple of years older than me well, we should probably give our kids the opportunity to experience faith, even though it wasn't part of their lives a whole lot at that point in time.
Speaker 2:And so they just said, well, we're going to start going to church when our kids are born. And our kids went to Sunday school and that, and within I think, a year or two in Moose Jaw, saskatchewan, they went to church for our sake and God saved them as a couple and you know. And then obviously we grew up kind of in the church and, you know, came full circle, because that same pastor from Moose Jaw was, you know, a pastor of our church in Ottawa when I was there as a high school kid, and so that was pretty cool. So lots of cool connections through the family of God and how, you know. You know, basically our family, you know my family has, you know, been followers of Christ through God working in different people's lives over generations.
Speaker 3:Rob, we could literally keep you here for four hours. I know you and I, as we broadcast together, can go back and forth for a long time. But I want to ask you about the concept of excellence, because I love something you touched about. You talked about legacy a little bit, but you know, sometimes as believers, we get confused. You know there are perfectionists who think, well, everything's got to be perfect, it's got to be in line, you know finance has got to be this and that and everything's got to be. Then, when trial trials come, sometimes we, as believers, trip through it. I love watching your life because I love seeing what the Lord is doing through your family and you. So when you think of the concept of excellence, what does that look like to you, both from how you navigate your faith journey and how you lead your life?
Speaker 2:I would say excellence is a direction you're going. Perfection is a destination maybe in that direction. But we know through Christ's example, that he's our example to work towards. We won't be there until we're in heaven, but eventually we'll be perfect. Won't be there until we're in heaven, but eventually we'll be perfect. But that's why excellence, I think, is the direction in the work that we're doing. And so you know, and then you apply that to every area of life.
Speaker 2:And I actually remember a funny story I was talking to Ricky Walters and a couple other guys on the team just about, you know, just hanging out and doing stuff. And they used to have, you know, they used to go play cards and have poker night and they say it was some of the most competitive environments they've ever been in. And we started talking about how you know to get to a certain level in anything in life. You got to, you got to be pretty competitive and you got to strive for excellence, maybe strive for perfection. But I think excellence is that journey piece to get there. And and it made me think about like, okay, how do we, how do we get to a point of you know, know, maybe close to perfection in an area in our life other than continually striving and failing and sometimes having success. And then, you know, you kind of go through that cycle and so it's really that journey that I think excellence is, because you want to do it well and I want to do everything in life as best as I can. I don't, and I'm not there yet, so you know I won't be there, but I think, always trying to be the best I can be for the right reasons.
Speaker 2:I wanted to be the best football player because I wanted to build a career and have that opportunity, because I thought, you know what I thought it was fun. I'm like when I was thinking about what I want to do for a living, I wasn't be fun to do and so I wanted to be the best I could. You know, I look back and I'm like, yeah, there's lots of things I could have done differently, to maybe have a longer career or different. But then I apply it to, you know, my marriage. How can I be the best husband? You know, definitely not a perfect husband, but I'm striving to be better each and every day as different phases of life and journeys things come through. And then, as a teacher, as a school administrator. I want to be the best that I can be. I'm not going to be, you know, mr Perfect, who's in another school, or Mr Perfect is on another sideline, but God made me who. I am different from everybody else and my goal is to just be good at it.
Speaker 2:And whether it's training, or whether it's teaching or whether it's coaching, I think it's just. I don't know if you're cut from that cloth, I don't know if it's developed, but it's coaching. I think it's just. I don't know if you're cut from that cloth, I don't know if it's developed, but it's definitely. You know a desire that God's placed in my heart and, I hope, a lot of people's hearts, that it's like, hey, we want to be the best. God calls us, calls us all, to be the best we can be at what we're doing and that's what we need to work towards. And whether that's a phase of life when we're young and you know we're running around crazy, or if it's like you're a family man or you're a single guy, or whatever, god's called us to be in that place at that time and do the best we can to honor him with what we're doing and what we're gifted with.
Speaker 1:Wow, what a great answer. If you could go back in time, talk to the younger version of yourself, say the 10 to 12 year old. Uh, what?
Speaker 2:advice would you give them 10 to 12 year old me I probably probably have fun in what you're doing, um, and probably work a little bit harder at a younger age. I see what like after coaching and mentoring my son through the last three, four years of his kind of high school development. I'm like I see what like after coaching and mentoring my son through the last three, four years of his kind of high school development. I'm like he's worked so much harder at that element of his life, like the training and like his focus is so like I don't know if I've seen another high school kid is dialed in as he is when it comes to that piece. So I would say have fun, stay focused. But also you know and I think I've told him this, I've told my high school kids that I coach this you got to keep the balance in life and you know you'll talk to a lot of athletes and at times in their journey I think their life is out of balance. But it's those kind of let's call it times of out of balance that actually teach us about balance and mold us into the person we are. And you know like, am I balanced all the time? Probably not. Sometimes it's too much of this, too much of that, and again it can be too much of a good thing, but staying balanced is important.
Speaker 2:My advice to my younger self would probably be you know, make sure you keep a balance. But, um, you got to put the work in and work hard at whatever you want to do or where you want to get to have that goal of that vision. Goal setting Wasn't really big back in the day. I mean, now it's like everything, everything's about goal setting and this and that. Um, it was just as relevant back then, but I guess it wasn't emphasized. So you know, see your vision, see where you want to go and just have fun on that journey. And you know, like, just continue to rely on God. I guess I didn't realize how much I needed to rely on God's faithfulness in my life until I started looking back on a few of those years and I realized that. And now, moving forward, it's like even in the time right now, hey, I need to be faithful. I need to realize God has a plan and let's just stay in step with him and we'll get there, wherever that is well, one last question for you, rob.
Speaker 3:Appreciate you making time. Um, was there a scripture that has connected sport and your life together so well, or a few you can think of?
Speaker 2:um, you know, the one that I always kind of hang my hat on is, uh, seek first the kingdom of god, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Speaker 2:And that is not like a sporty verse, but it's a verse that creates the balance in life and it can be applied to sport.
Speaker 2:And I know there was a turning point in my college career where my focus went from being the best athlete and football player I could be to making sure I had my eyes set on God, and that is when my football career in college kind of exponentially grew to the point where I was getting drafted and playing in the CFL.
Speaker 2:So I know there was a time where it's like, hey, my focus is okay, school, the right school, the right system, the right program, the right workout, the right this and that. And then one of those moments in my life of, hey, the right school, the right system, the right program, the right workout, the right this and that. And then one of those moments in my life of, hey, I need to have some balance was, hey, I need to focus on Christ and what he's doing in my life, allow him to work. And then those other things were actually taken care of right. The career took off, the draft happened, all those things happened and it really was a turning point about mid-college where I said I'm almost holding on too tight to something where I just need to let it go and let God worry about holding on to those things and directing that.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's fantastic. Well, we have two conditions every time we interview someone, two things we get to invite you back at some point and follow up with you and see how life is going and to let you share more cool stories with us. And the second thing is we get to pray for you Appreciate that. That'd be awesome, great. Let's pray. Heavenly father, we thank you so much for Rob and the time he's been able to spend with us today. And, lord, we just pray that you would bless him as you use him for your will and your purpose in the school and with the kids and with the future athletes. And, lord, we just pray that you would bless him. And, lord, I just pray that he would be used for your glory and for your praise In Jesus' name, amen, amen.
Speaker 3:The thing I love about Rob and I've known him for quite a few years now always so transparent about his journey, great, family man, just great. We work out together. So I get to watch his journey post career and how he continues to lead his family. He coaches. He's just a man that you know you really want to chase after. You know I really believe in life. It's important to have people you're chasing after, ones that are that you're pulling along beside you and also ones you're running alongside with.
Speaker 3:Rob is one of those guys that look at my life. It's like, yeah, he's in a lot of ways, has so many great things and still is very transparent about the areas that he's short on. But then how he's like he wants to model. And I love that question about excellence because he's a guy who just wants to live with integrity. And when he talked about you know I guess we'll talk about this in the next episode We'll dive too much into it, but, um, just how you know, the how focusing on God was the thing that really gravitated him to, everything falling together yeah, yeah, that was his, really his story.
Speaker 1:It wasn't that. Three things I love about the guy A. The guy a he's great listener. B he's humble. Three he is actually a good golfer. Maybe three, yeah, three, sorry three, it's maybe three maybe three. You know what I golfed with him 100 holes of golf in one day to raise money for athletes in action.
Speaker 3:Okay, he's a good golfer yeah, I've golfed with him before too. He's very humble, so and, and if you need him in a pinch, he'll come through for you. Oh, he's, you never know. He's a quick phone call and he's right there. So that'll be for the next episode. We'll tell the story on that. So, but, uh, yeah, love, love, hearing the stories of these athletes and, to be honest, I think so often we can gravitate to okay, tell me this part of your journey and you're growing up. You're like this. Like you know, you talked about you talked about that with the Taylor Joseph podcast. There's so much happening post career. Yeah, that's important. Yeah, as much as Rob would have loved for us to, you know, poke back through some of the great stories of the late nineties, early two thousands of his great career. He had and he was a standout in Ottawa and all these things. It's just as exciting to hear what's God doing in your life right now, for sure.
Speaker 1:For sure. Well, you know, another wrap up of the gospel in the game.
Speaker 3:Episode four, I believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, and you know what you always mentioned good things where people can find us. One thing that I really want to encourage people is not only is, when you do find us, um, like and follow, because that'll let us let you when the next episode comes out.
Speaker 3:Don't just search. Oh, there they are. We're not going to listen to that. Yeah, that's a bunch of characters. And send us a message if there's something that you want to connect. On feedback, Do we have an email address that you toss out there? You know what? Is that still a thing or is that just for the seniors?
Speaker 1:No email is.
Speaker 3:People can message us on all the social medias, which is good yeah, sure, here's a great football guy, sure, and you never know who that person might have known this person. Oh Well, you played with that guy. Who knows that guy?
Speaker 1:That's right, my cat's, dog's uncle's uncle's friend.
Speaker 3:Right, totally, brother's former roommate. Follow us on Instagram as well as TikTok TikTok Twitter or X. I don't think we're TikTok-ing yet. No, definitely not. Don't make it pop. Pull my speakers up tonight and you can find our podcast, for all podcasts, rfm.
Speaker 1:There's no idea what song that is, and my dog does not have a former roommate.
