5.2.2025 -- NLS -- Copperhead Road, J.D. Vance, and Copycat Controversies

On this episode with Neal and Julie, the show kicks off with a discussion about Copperhead Road by Steve Earle—Julie admits she wasn’t familiar with it but calls it a cool discovery worth sharing. From there, they dive into a wide-ranging conversation that spans politics, culture, music, and personal anecdotes. They weigh the strengths and weaknesses of potential 2028 GOP presidential candidates like J.D. Vance, Ron DeSantis, and Marco Rubio, and express skepticism over media narratives and cultural trends—from the portrayal of Donald Trump as a dictator to controversial gender and education issues.

They also talk copycat recipes, cease-and-desist letters in marketing, and the murky line between inspiration and infringement. Julie and Neal get into a lighthearted discussion about off-brand cheese and cars, ponder if chess is really a sport, and share thoughts on trademark law, TikTok, and police response in high-stakes situations. The show wraps up with a reminder to enjoy the weekend, maybe get the garden going, and keep an eye on the evolving political landscape.

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Transcript

Hello. Hello and good morning. It is Friday. Welcome to the Neil Larson Show. And we have a great show planned for you today. Coming up at 835. It's a studio for cover. We've got pioneers straight. It's a family band called Deedee. And his four children will be here. All playing. That's going to be fun. They're covering Copperhead Road by Steve Earle, which, I'll be honest with you, I wasn't that familiar with that song prior to this, but I did a and that's a cool song and you're going to like it.

And, again, that's at 835 and of course it is Friday. We have a lot. Let's start out with the sad and the horrific, accidents just after seven last night, northern end of Highland Park and seven people perished in that crash that involved, a tour van of some kind. They have not released the identities of the deceased, but, obviously, we'll, find out some something over the next couple of days, but just, just a sad situation and truly horrific.

If you saw the video, the the fire and the it was just, just horrible and, very, very sad last night. And that was juxtaposed with a very, jubilant welcome to the Idaho Falls Spud Kings. Yesterday, hundreds of people showed up to the Mountain America's Center to bring them home. And it was great to watch those guys standing up on the stage.

A couple of them didn't have any teeth. Well, they had teeth, but not all of them. And, there are big gaps in the front of them. Yeah. That's perfect. That's such a great visual for a hockey team. And, they were met by an adoring crowd, big fans in the house. And, Yeah. I am so excited for today, which is very luscious.

We are the best fans because we have the best team. What is happening now is your guys's favorite player. Durkin, Liam Paulson, DJ McLean. It's either Durkin or Max because they don't give up. They keep trying. I don't have a favorite. I love them all. But people were practically renting their Spud Kings gear in anticipation of the players arrival.

As the new Raining Chance, they received a police escort to their warm welcome. I o now, therefore, I'm Rebecca Casper, mayor of the City of Idaho Falls. I do hereby proclaim May 1st, 2025 as Idaho Falls Spud Kings Day in and welcome. They deserve so good job. And, we're we're just happy to have that cup. And next year, the national championship, the Dineen Cup will be held right here in East Idaho at the Mountain America's Center.

We also have national politics to get to it. So interesting thing, this ongoing theme and this some time, I don't really second guess or doubt myself, but there are times when you realize there's an ongoing thing that you have to talk about a lot, because it's a fundamental and a foundational issue in our Republican in America. And the fact that Joe Biden had dementia.

And for four years there was all sorts of deception going on surrounding Joe Biden's dementia. America was deceived by the press. They were deceived by the white House. They were at times deceived by themselves. You would talk to people and they'd be like, oh no, Joe's fine. He's doing a great job. He's doing a fantastic job as president.

He's good. Everything's good. Roll the tape. If you if you don't believe it, it's the best Joe Biden ever had. Like there were people that were even convincing themselves that everything was fine with Joe. But I had to talk about it every day. And how are you people not seeing this? What's happening? I can't, and then, of course, last year we talked at nauseum about proposition one, this very deceitful and corrupt effort to completely change our election system in Idaho under the guise of a tweak.

And we're just changing the primary. We're just having open primaries. That's all this is. But in reality, no, they were fundamentally altering the DNA of our election system. So I'm like, morning, I'm the guy standing on the Watchtower, and I'm saying, no, that's not what this is. They're lying to you in their advertising. They are, jumping in the bed with corrupt, outdated Republicans who can't stand Dorothy Moon and others.

And, they're trying to pull some shenanigans on you. Well, I felt like, okay, we're talking about this. It feels like a lot, but this is that important. Well, now I'm kind of in a mode where I realize you have the left in free fall right now. They can't get their legs under them for the life of them.

And meanwhile, you have Donald Trump, who had an epic and momentous first 100 days of his presidency. And you've got some corners that are thinking Donald Trump is the next dictator. He's Hitler. Last week we had al Gore clips of al Gore, not saying Trump's Hitler, but he's making those comparisons to pre Hitler Germany. And it's like you guys are moron I mean here here's Trump.

Yeah he's got a loyal following. And I would say there's a pretty sizable portion of Trump's following that probably would follow Trump off the cliff. That's not me. I love what Trump's doing. But I'm also hyper aware of cults, dynamics that can develop in American politics. So I'm going to tell you right now, I don't think it's ever going to happen that we're going to invade Greenland.

I don't think it's, ever going to happen, a number of things. The people now or I don't think it's going to happen that he's going to run for a third term in 2028. If those he's he's trolling people, he's leaving it on the table. He's not denying it because he's trolling you. Now, if it turns out that he's going to go against the these, it's real, then we're going to have to have a heavy discussion because I couldn't be on board with either one of those scenarios.

So but you have the left that has lost it. They have. Absolutely. They don't know where to go. They don't know what to do. I give a good chunk of the of the credit to Donald Trump. He has broken them. But I you know who else I credit for this. They themselves. It's only so long that you can maintain this house of cards of nonsense about library and porn, about grooming children with hypersexual material, about putting boys on basketball courts with girls and saying it's okay because the boys think they're girls.

You know, after a while that, no, I never stood for it. After a while, more and more people and once they get permission to say it's nonsense, then they're like, oh, good, it's nonsense. We saw that throughout the whole corporate world. They did not try hard at all to hold on, to die. Now you had a few. There are some corporations that I think are probably led from the very top by the true believers.

But we've all been in situations, whether it's workplace or church or organizational, wherever, where you're keeping some sentiments to yourself because, you know, if you express those sentiments, they wouldn't be terribly popular. At least you don't think they would be. And there's a prevailing mood in the room among the group. And I think for a long time in corporate America, there was a prevailing mood that we have to do this woke garbage.

We have to placate certain groups and certain people in order to, make this happen. And even though they themselves individually thought it was garbage, it was just a bad idea to say that it's garbage. So we'll keep quiet. It's just it's traditional groupthink and group dynamics, and it happens in so many environments. When you get more than a handful of people, it can happen in families, it can happen in marriage, it can happen with two people where you're like, I better not say that because there might be some bad consequences.

So I'll just keep it to my. And sometimes it might be wise to keep it to yourself. But we're talking about American politics. We're talking about having an entire very important the very first section of the amendments to our Constitution says, you can say whatever you want, what's on your mind? Express it. That is enshrined as a value in our Constitution.

But the culture wasn't allowing it for a while, and you had to have a few courageous comedians, a few courageous public pundits and one courageous man who's the president who was willing to step forward and say, that's garbage. I know that's not popular, but that's garbage. But you have this media that just keeps holding on because they were all in.

They were they're still figuratively wearing their masks after the pandemic ended years ago. They're still wearing their cultural pandemic masks because they still think there's stuff out there that they need to protect from. And you've seen it, I promise you, you've seen it. It may be a little more likely in a national park or if you, go to some place where libs like to congregate or a place that attracts libs, you'll be walking around and you will see some perfectly healthy dude, in a baseball cap and a Covid mask.

While you don't know Neil, they might have cancer. You probably shouldn't judge. Yeah, I know, and I have to remind myself of that. But I guarantee you I've seen it enough times that I'm like, some of those people just think they like the Covid culture. It's a it's a fashion statement more than a public health decision. And they so yeah, you, you know, you have that that's what the press is doing.

They're still stuck on the day. They're still living in that realm. Everybody else is upgrading their firmware. They're like, I'm not upgrade my firmware. Boys can be girls and girls can be boys, not upgrade my firmware. It's okay to groom kids. It's a he's a Maryland man. He's not a dangerous person or an ms13 gang member or a human trafficker, when in reality he's a violent person and a human trafficker and a gang member.

Like they're their firmware that they're locked into allows them to gaslight themselves. It's the crazy. It's the craziest thing to watch. And there's enough of the left that does not want to upgrade their firmware. Exhibit A Congresswoman Omar, I'm Miles Morales with the Daily Caller News Foundation. Do you think more of your Democratic colleagues should be traveling to El Salvador to advocate on behalf of a particular Garcia, I think you should,

Yeah, I'm. I'm sorry. What? Saying? Who should you. Why me? And that's making any hard questions right now. But here you go. Yeah. Okay, so Daily Wire reporter goes up. This is not an out of bounds question. It is not a question. It is what should be an expected question from the American press. Is this a good idea to keep heading on down to El Salvador to meet with this guy?

And, her reaction? An American Congress member is saying, f off twice to a reporter like it's it's what are you doing? And what are we doing? It's nuts. So you you have that you also had from yesterday and I really I hesitate to even, do this to you, but you had Kamala Harris. Where did I put the Kamala Harris audio?

I swear I had that was it the day before. Now I don't even have it. I'm not sure where I put it. And you're also saying thank you? We didn't want you to play it anyway. But the Kamala Harris audio, they're putting her out. It's so fun. I got to tell you, the popcorn factor. The fact if you would have asked me the day before the election, Dems are in disarray.

How long is this going to last? How long will you be? You know, chucking in the popcorn and enjoying the show? I would have said, you know what, if you can give me a good month, I'm thrilled with that. But certainly they'll get their their legs underneath them by a month or two. Oh no. Here we are three months out, Chuck Schumer still at 17% approval.

And they keep auditioning different people to see if there's anybody that could match up against people like JD Vance or Ron DeSantis, whoever. We've got a great set of choices. I got to tell you, 2028 is going to be tough because we're going to have a good silhouette. It's like walking up, to a vending machine. And in the vending machine you have Krispy Kreme donuts and Nutella, whatever way.

Like you look at it like, I don't know what to do. You can only choose one. You might have all the money in the world in your wallet, but you can only choose one because. So you can only have one. And, that's how the presidency works. And we have, we are sitting so well right now, we are poised for 2028.

I never underestimate, though, the power of Republicans to botch a good situation. I'm a little twitchy that way. I'll be honest with you. We've got a break. It's 823 on Newstalk 107. You know, that might be our flagpole. My brain has been scanning for a flagpole this morning, and it could be at this point, J.D. Vance or Ron DeSantis.

I mean, I'm already thinking about 2028. Some of you I know sarcastically will say, Trump, we'll be back. We're about no probably 13, 14 minutes away. Now from our studio for cover. Pioneer Street's going to join us to cover Steve Earle. We'll be back. But, but, hey. Welcome back. It's 828 on Newstalk 117 radio.

I do not book us for studio for cover and be a disaster. When you, So 285421079 if you'd like to reach us. Julie, if I were to ask you a quote. We're not doing this right now, but I'm doing this with you right now. If you had to choose between J.D. Vance or Ron DeSantis for 2028, who is it?

Right. Like today, probably J.D. Vance. Okay. But I do see Ron DeSantis. He had a big day. I think it was yesterday, if I remember right. I didn't send you audio because we've been so audio heavy with the 100 Days of Trump and his commencement speech, but he is not slowing down in Florida. So I think for those people who believe that, it is just clearly J.D. Vance and he's got the pathway and everything, I'm not sure that's what Ron DeSantis is thinking.

Yeah. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah. Is there anybody else who. I don't have a third. Yeah. I mean, I think when you compare anybody on, like, the best person you can think of on the left, we probably have a dozen that are better than them. Yeah. But when I think about just our, our team, I feel like there's nobody that's going to beat either.

JD or Ron. I know Vivek would love to be a president. I don't see Vivek thriving in in a presidential race, like people like him. He's got his strengths, but he does get on your nerves after a while. What if Marco Rubio does an amazing job settling this war? And so, I mean, when I said earlier, he's fulfilling four positions.

He's fulfilling four positions right now. He's not going I mean, it's not going to stay that way. But he's doing four different jobs right now. So Marco, maybe. Yeah. You know what? Maybe. Marco. Yeah, yeah, I, I lost my pick in 2016. Oh, yeah. I love it. It was, it was down to Marco and Ted back in 2016.

I feel like Marco is a very, very possible prospect. I don't feel like he's at the sort of rarefied level that DeSantis and Vance are right now, so. But that, who knows, it could change right there. And look, we have somebody like Marco when we're dismissing him to third place. I know it's a great problem to have. Yeah, they don't even have anything close to that.

Yeah. They're trying to come up with anybody that they can possibly, run. We're trying to figure out who not to run. Yeah. Like, we have so many choices. Yeah. What don't we have? Yeah. You know. All right. It's 831. Quick break. We will be back on Newstalk 1079 when we come back. Pioneer Street covering Steve Earle Family Band, the D.D.S., and we're going to have him in just minutes right here on Newstalk 109.

And we are back on Newstalk 1079. It's 837 on a Friday morning. We are super excited for our studio for cover this morning. We have Pioneer Street, which is also known as the Didi family. Kyle, how are you this morning? Great. Neil, how are you? Good. And you've brought your your all your band, your crew and your kids here.

So tell us about about your band. Yeah. So these are these are for for oldest kids. We've got nine kids. We grew up on Pioneer Street out in Needham Cloud, Washington. Okay. That's that's the name of the band, moved Idol Falls in 2019. It come a little closer to the mic. Sure. Yeah. Moved out here in 2019.

I've been playing music since, you know, since I could walk. My, my dad played guitar. My mom had a son. Piano lessons. So I grew up in a musical family. And then just recently got back into performing live, and that kind of picked these kids interest in and doing it. So. Okay, middle of last year, we put the band together, been rehearsing a bunch of songs and played our first live gig a few weeks ago.

Okay. And we've got a few more lined up this summer, so super excited to be here and and play some music we want to mention. Kyle, your kids are Audrey, Elena, Andrew and Adam. So, Audrey. Yeah. Okay. And tell us what you're playing. Audrey I'm playing the the. You're on the mandolin. Ellen is on the drums, all right?

And I don't know, Andrew or Adam. Is Andrew's here? Okay? Andrew. Looks like you got the bass. And it looks like Adam has the harmonica. So, are you guys excited to be here? Yeah. All right. And, we we love it. Especially when it's a family affair. I do want to ask you before you play. Do you have a social media?

People might hear you. They're like, yeah, I want them to play my event. So. So most of what we have posted, is on Instagram. I did, start a Facebook page for music is Kyle Didi music. So. Kyle daddy. Okay. On Instagram and Facebook and also YouTube as well. Yeah, that's probably the best place to find us.

Okay. Yeah. Now you've chosen Steve Earle to play a song, Copperhead Road. Yeah. We have to admit, it's not giulianis genre of music, but we looked it up millions and millions of views. So super, super popular then. Yeah. And Steve Earle was just, he just joined the Grand Ole Opry this week. Okay. It's kind of a tribute to him.

And then, yeah, the song is it's a great tribute to American history. So is that the kind of music that you play? Yeah, a lot is kind of stick with that genre. Yes. Yeah. So Audrey's learning some bluegrass? I kind of grew up playing blues and country and rock and roll. These guys are kind of learning as as we go here, but.

Yeah, Americana, country, some rock and roll, a little bit of bluegrass flavor mixed in with all that. Okay. You've been warming up. Are y'all ready to play? I think we are. All right, pioneer Street, take it away. Okay, here we go.

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They only come to town about twice a year.

About 100 pounds of yeast and some copper line.

Everybody knew that he made moonshine.

Now the revenue man wanted granddaddy bad. Hit it up the holler with everything he had before my time. But I've been told you never come back from Copperhead Road.

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Don't. Get it round. Whiskey. A big black dodge. He bought it at an auction at the Masons. Like the Johnson County Sheriff. Beat it on the side.

Shot a Cuda primer in it. Looked inside.

He might go to the engine down.

I still remember that rumbling sound.

That the sheriff came round in the middle of the night. Heard mama crying. He saw him. Wasn't right headed down a notch. It was a weekly low. You could smell a whiskey burning down Copperhead Road.

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Volunteered for the Army. And my birthday is just a white trash. First round here. Anyway.

Citizen duty in Vietnam.

I came back home with a brand new plane.

Take the seed from Colombia and Mexico. Then went down a holler up Copperhead Road. Never did you hear they got a chopper in the air. I wake up screaming like I'm back over there. I learned a thing or two. Y'all ain't not. You know, you better still away. Copperhead road, get.

Hey, hey there.

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You guys are great. Great performance. Thank you all for coming in again. Thank you. It is, Pioneer Street. And once again, social media. Kyle. Didi. Music. Kyle. Didi. It's a dui. DUI looks like deadly without the yell. All right. You guys are so talented. Thank you for coming in this morning. Yeah, thanks for having us. All right, we'll be back.

It's 844 a picture. They're still here. All right. It's 848 now on Newstalk 1079, Neil Larson, along with Julie Mason. And, where we're going to take another quick break and, it'll be fast, though. We've got to, take care of one issue really quick. But when we come back, we are going to get set up for that flagpole where we, are going to ask you.

I think this is going to be the flagpole. Julie, we're going to ask our listeners, if you had to choose today, and I think the top choice on the Republican side would be J.D. Vance or Ron DeSantis. We won't we won't close the, you know, the options if someone else feels strongly about someone else. But I feel like they're the two front runners.

I think people have stuff to say about this before, because when we were just talking about it all about 15 minutes ago, we got numerous text people. I think they're excited about our options in the Republican Party. Yeah, I think so too. All right, quick break and then we'll be back in just a couple of minutes right here on Newstalk 179.

All right. 852 a little, behind the scenes, we actually forgot to get a picture with the family. Yeah. The des and also known as Pioneer Street. And I'm like, we got to get the picture because, our studios, great. Got big logos and everything there. And so I'm like, grab them before they leave. So we brought them back in for a picture.

So here we are. But the craziness of live radio it is. Yeah. And things are a little, a little bit, crazy. So so fun to have them in. What a fun family thing they've got going on there. And good kids by the way. Very polite, very just a great family. Yeah. You know really. And I you know what I love when and, you know, something like that.

A family band just brings kids. It gives them all a common purpose just to really ask to teach some good lessons. So. Yeah. Okay. Well, Julie, we were talking about the flash, but I don't think we'll do it here right now. We can talk about it next hour, but we have that going on. What else is happening?

Anything really crazy? I'm kind of a break. Go. Garcia it out a little bit. I'm Abrego. Garcia it out to. I think that we would have stopped talking about it more than a week ago. It's the Dems that have continued on. I do believe that, yesterday, on May 1st, Bernie and AOC were back out at another rally.

And I just have a question. Are they working? Okay. How were they doing this? That was the middle of the week. It's a Thursday. You had no business in Washington that you could go do a rally on May 1st. That's a great question. I, I don't I don't know, I, I also I have no idea. Can I be a little snarky for just a second to.

Yeah, I was watching a news report, the news report this morning. And they were talking about how the senators have a great opportunity in the next little bit to have a lot get done and blah. And, they referenced that they're in session for a record ten weeks in a row. And I was like, what? Yeah, that's just what Americans do all the time.

I'm on a record ten weeks in a row of working. Are you? Yeah, I kind of am. Maybe a little more than ten. I mean, I took a couple days off a while back, but that's just like called American Life. I mean, okay, let's be fair. They probably do work 18 hour days in Washington. They work long hours.

I just think it's up to everybody. But I work a lot. I work more than full time. You more than full time. That's true. Yeah. And so for everyday people who have two jobs and are, you know, struggling and trying to make ends meet and having faith in Donald Trump, that the economy is going to get back to a better place and it just was a little rich.

Yeah. That that is, that's that's funny. Well, an especially when there's things to get done there. I it does Trump take these weeks off. Does he do I don't think he does. No no no he's a he is a workaholic. And I find it very funny because if Donald Trump goes and plays a round of golf, the left comes unglued like, oh, he's golfing.

Well, Barack Obama golfed like three times a week. Like it was. It was like, I, we should look back and see how many, how many times he went golfing because it was a lot. They didn't care then. I know we kind of made an issue of it, but he didn't move at nearly the pace that Donald Trump does.

So yeah. Yeah it was it's just really rich the the hypocrisy first off of what the mainstream media. And then for it to be such a celebration that it's a record ten weeks in a row that they're going to be in session. Yeah I just yeah. Well done. Good. How did you guys actually get some work done during those sessions?

Yeah, that would be nice. But that would require us to work together as a government and that's probably not going to happen. Yeah, that's you're right. In the spring not going happen. We had an interesting story earlier, Julie. There's only a couple of minutes, but we could expand on this next. Our crumbles getting sued by Warner Brothers Music because they continued to use some copyrighted songs and some of their marketing.

And so I read through this story, the TikTok culture and really, social media culture in general is a little murky when it comes to copyright, because especially with TikTok, Facebook's pretty good about shutting down copyrighted music. But they don't sue you, they just mute you. And which I prefer that I'd rather be muted than sued. So but Warner Brothers is like no you, you kept using our stuff and I'm like okay, maybe they are culpable, but is TikTok culpable as well because they're allowing it to be purveyed on the platform and the technology obviously exists.

You can stop it and mute it, but they're going after crumble for doing it, which we do have enough time to expand into the larger discussion here. But yeah, I don't know if I would say TikTok's culpable. I would say for me and maybe lots of other people disagree. But the overarching theme here is that crumble, you're a gigantic company.

You know better. That's true when you use a song or I use a song and they mute it, they're just looking at the average consumer. The average person is just out there trying to create content. TikTok has a team of lawyers had an entire advertising arm like they know better, and I think that's why that they're in the pickle they're in.

Well, even in our situation, I've set this up technically so that it's very rare that aam bumper music goes out on Facebook. Like what people hear on the air is not what you'll hear on Facebook. It's not what you'll hear on a podcast because we're licensed to put whatever music we want on the air. But we're not on Facebook and on a on a digital on demand product.

So there is that. But also there's an angle to this. Is it calm because crumble just sued a competitor for their packaging to competitors. Yeah. For packaging. So I don't know. We'll talk about it a little bit more coming up. It's 859 on this Friday.

Welcome back. It's 907. Our two underway on Newstalk 1079 Neil Larson and Julie Mason and Julie this is going to sound weird. And you're going to think I need mental help. I'm actually looking forward to mowing my lawn tomorrow morning. Okay, I don't think you need mental health for that. It's growing at full pace now. And it's lush.

It's green. And, you know why? Because I use the four step lawn program. And of course it is. Mine is as well. And it's just such a great way to welcome in spring. We're not even in summer yet. And to have your lawn look that good, I know. Hey you guys, it's magic. It it is. I, I do have a little dandelion problem I got to take care of, like, not not bad.

It'll be just a few a few minutes and I'll have it all. All taken care of. But, the truth is, the four step lawn program is the secret sauce. If you want to have a lush green lawn, you just put on four applications. Each one only takes a few minutes. It's not a big deal. And then you just water it and mow it like normal.

And you'll have a beautiful on because it is formulated for our region, for our soils, for our climate. And, it's it's the easiest, lowest. It's so easy even, fill in the blank could do it like, it's that kind of a loan program. Make sure you go to my garden. Wkyc.com. That's Town and Country Gardens website.

They have classes available. They tell you who is on their team and who you should be asking questions of. They will, have specials on their highlights about what they've they've got on sale right now. And a quick reminder, we're getting close to planting season. You can get all of your seeds and your garden needs. There. You you're it's probably time to be prepping your soil.

They can help you with that. You might need to put a little mulch in your flower gardens that's available at town and country gardens. Also, basically anything you need for your outdoor living space. They've got it for you. They're located south of Idaho Falls, across from the malting plant right there on Yellowstone Highway. Okay, Julie, there's an interesting story that came out yesterday about, there are plagiarism accusations against Brooke Bellamy and, first brought to light by Nagi Miyoshi on her website, recipe tin eats.

They continue to emerge. And so what the accusation is, is that a recipe was plagiarized. So it's it's I'm not going to get into all the like little intricate details of this particular story, but it does bring the question out. And I think we can bring in the crumble discussion here from last hour. I don't know that you can plagiarize a recipe, and I don't think I think the the law basically says you cannot copyright or make proprietary a list of ingredients.

Now you don't have to publish it, but if somebody finds out what it is, you can't prevent them from making that and selling it or making it and publishing it. You can't. It's not a copyright to have a certain recipe and have that recipe assembled and cooked in a in a particular way. Yeah, it might be distasteful. It's kind of a little skeezy, but that's that's kind of difficult to prove.

Yeah. Is it though? Like I, I think it is if you're both if it's both, both parties are getting monetary benefit for it. Yeah. And you can look at it and go, yeah, she totally ripped her off wording in everything that feels skeezy. Okay. So you feel like copycat recipes are kind of skeezy? No, because they say they're copycat recipes.

Okay. This one, it was just somebody else fronting like they had come up with it all presented as an original. Yeah, yeah. I don't think copycat recipes are skeezy at all. Okay. Gotcha. Because you're leading with that. Yeah. Yeah. You're not being okay. You're being genuine with what you're showing. You're doing this and saying it's mine. Yeah, I guess I can, I can see I can see that, during the Covid supply chain issues and prices going up and inflation, Walmart got into the candy bar business.

So you had great value versions of Snickers and Three Musketeers and even Twix and, I did try them just as an educational venture. What you made on air yesterday that every time you went to Home Depot, when remodeling your home to move your mother in, you got a Twix every time I wanted to support the local economy.

Okay. Anyway, whatever. Whatever. Okay. There's, like, seven stories I could tell attached to that, but, they did. And I will be honest with you, and I like. I'm not I'm not a Walmart hater, okay? And I buy plenty of store brand stuff, but they're copycat candy bars. We're not copycat candy bars. I will just put it it that you.

They're they're versions for chocolate. Yeah. Kind of like it was like. Nope. Hershey's does it better or Mars does it better. And now if you're, you know, if you're stranded and that's the only thing you have in your car to eat, then obviously it's fine. And it wasn't bad. It just wasn't the same. Yeah. So but and I don't I don't know why they can't make it the same because they can make ketchup pretty much the same.

They can do macaroni is the same, like there's lots of store brands. If you were to take the real brand and the store brand, take away the packaging and put them side by side, you wouldn't know the difference. Yeah, maybe there's just not enough complication and things like cottage cheese and pasta and yeah, that's true. But you're you're really cutting corners on chocolate.

So a question I have and I don't know the answer to this, someone out there might know but I am there's a, there's a brand and I can't remember what it is. Probably wouldn't even say it if I did, but I tried it and I'm like, this tastes just like Tillamook cheese. But it's about 60% of the cost of Tillamook.

Okay, so I started looking close to the branding packaged in Tillamook, Oregon, and I thought, this is just the same cheese, but they're reaching a different market. They're reaching people that are never going to pay full price for Tillamook cheese. So they're they're just packaging the exact same cheese, and they're reaching a more middle class market rather than, you know, whatever.

I think that happens all the time. All the time. Make up everything, not just things you eat. Yes. Yeah. I, I think it's really common in the supplement, supplement area because people can create their own off brand of supplements. You're getting, again, exactly the same place that the main brand supplements are, are produced. And there's going to be a price variance.

But it's the same packaging. It's everything's the same different logo. Ford used to do this and call it a Sable. You aren't fooling anybody. Ford.

The Mercury Sable was the star brand of the Ford Taurus. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, and there were several other cars that were kind of like that, But yeah, like, well, GMC and Chevy, they did the same thing with, like, the suburban versus the, what do they call it? I don't know. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. More of an assault vehicle.

Yeah. That's what you're going. That's what it is. Yes. Well, it's the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints assault vehicle. So.

Anyway, okay. But back to crumble really quick. They're getting sued because in some of their social media marketing, even after this, this changed it for me a little bit because I thought, I don't know how Warner Brothers can go after them for this. They did get a cease and desist from Warner Brothers like a couple of years ago.

They kept doing it and they didn't pull the the offending material. So I think Warner Brothers probably did their due diligence. Like, you know what, let's just warn them. We don't want to be out there suing. We don't want our headlines saying we're suing people. But when you send a cease and desist for material that is copyrighted and they kind of give you the middle finger, I'm like, okay, that does kind of change it for me.

There's definitely businesses that operate, under the will do it and ask for forgiveness later concept. Yeah. Which is probably what crumble was operating under. That's when you ask for forgiveness. When you get the season and desist, you're like, okay, it was a good run for us. We'll stop doing it, blah, blah, blah. If you just keep doing it for two years, you're no longer in that will ask for forgiveness.

Later. You're in the I'm going to show you the middle finger right? Yeah, yeah. Your defend ability crumbles. But, but you knew I was going to get a dad joke in there somewhere. Tough baked. Yeah. That's true. Okay, I'm burnt out on these jokes here. You put all your eggs in in the joke basket. Okay, we're going to go down the ingredient list now.

Really?

Kids? Okay. Because this I don't I was trying to find flour. Don't get salty about it. Okay? See, you're way better than this. Than I am. You're getting chippy.

Seems to me out like that. All right, excuse me, but, Oh, yeah, I don't know. It seems a little bit flaky to me, but. Yeah. Okay. (208) 542-1079 I thought it again. Correct me if I'm wrong, Julie. I did think that it was ridiculous that crumble tried to sue over packaging. Oh, I think that's ridiculous. And I think most especially because it became big in Utah because it's a Utah based company.

If you live in Provo, you can't not. Yeah. I mean, crumbles in your face right there at I-15. Yeah. So I think especially their homegrown area thought it was ludicrous. Yeah. Well it's like, yeah, you can sue if someone calls it crumbly. And the logo looks a lot like it. And they use the same font and you can sue over that.

But I don't think the dimensions of a little glossy colored box is part of your trademark. That's protected. It's a box. It's a box. You don't get to trademark four inches by 5.5in by 1.5in. Like, you don't get to trademark that. Yeah, I don't I don't know what the dimensions were, but, (208) 542-1079 let's go to the phones.

Hi, caller. How are you today? Hi. Hey, Neal. Julie, so about the trademarks or the, the copyright and all that kind of stuff. So I'm not a lawyer. That's not legal advice. I've had lots and lots of experience with the patent office. I've done a lot of inventing over my my years, and you cannot you can't copyright facts.

That's that's just, that's just not allowed in the, in the, in that world, however, you can patterns different, ingredients. If you think about how pharmaceutical companies work and they patent refuse to make their pills, that is an available option. There have been patented recipes over the years, which is kind of crazy, but if you ask me.

But those are allowed, or the other way that people protect those type of things is through the use of trade secrets. So if you think of the Coca Cola recipe or if I, if you recall those, beans commercials from the 90s with the dog and the owner and those are the only two people on the planet that know the, Bush's baked beans recipe.

Those are those would come under, trade secrets. And, in fact, there was a time when I, coca Cola employee had stolen the recipe and, was trying to sell it to Pepsi. And Pepsi called up the FBI to get that person arrested. So lots of cool little, intrigues ensue, those kind of things. But that's kind of how the law works in those regards.

So. Okay, on that level and I, I can't figure out in my mind where, where the flipping point is. But if if I wrote down, for instance, I have a very particular recipe for, you know, it's called my mom's recipe, but I have a very particular recipe for a pecan pie. And I could, if you gave me a couple of minutes here, I could probably sit down and remember all the the quantities of the ingredients and what they are.

I don't feel like that's because those are easily obtainable off the shelf items. And, I don't think I could go to the patent office or the, you know, wherever and, and patent that recipe and sue someone because they use the same thing. Does that make sense? So what's what's different in my mind here? Why is it so the, the difference in your mind is that, let's say I patent the recipe.

So that means I put the information out there for the public to consume. And that's the whole reason why we have the, intellectual property clause in the Constitution was for the benefit of the arts and sciences, so the public would gain that knowledge. There is the idea of what's called reverse engineering. So let's say you, you, go to, you know, you go to your mom's Thanksgiving and you don't like your mom for whatever reason because she won't give you the recipe.

So you go and you take that slice of pecan pie, and I'm going to be very over the top with this. And you go and you put it into a mass spectrometer and you find out all of the proportions and ingredients of the, the comes to 70%, crust ratios. And then you're able to derive that as long as it's done in what's called a clean room environment, you have not violated any patent that could have happened.

And that's why that's why that's why it's different than copyrights, because copyright is all about the art side. And that's why you get a copyright and as you know, because you, I remember that you've written a book. So that's a plug for your book. And thank you. Sarah. Alex, available on Amazon. Anyway, go ahead. There you go.

There you go. So you can, you know, so that's it's artistic in nature. Hence the has the copyright. But the statute cannot be copyrighted. Facts are facts or facts are true no matter what. And like you cannot copyright or you cannot copyright. The fact that there's about 1.4 million people in Idaho, that's just yeah, no statement of facts.

So same thing with the recipes. And that's how and that's why that's the difference between patents and copyright. So so but you can reverse engineer we have a patent an example of that would be compact computer. In the 1940s when IBM created their, IBM, the first ever IBM PC, Compaq computer was like, well, we want in on that action.

We think we can build a better computer for cheaper. And so they put the Bios code into a clean room and they probed it with, you know, different, you know, different ways of probing software to get the right outputs. And they did their own bios. And so even though, IBM had the patent on it and published the data on it, because Compaq was able to prove that they didn't ever look at the patent or the, published patent to data and created their own version, they were able to make, clones of that.

Okay. Okay. So as long as you don't do anything skeezy or nefarious, but you actually do the hard work of figuring out what's in something there in a, in what you say is a clean room, then that's perfectly legitimate. So if if Coke could figure out Pepsi's formula or vice versa through chemical testing and analysis, they could clone their competitor and it would be okay.

But they can't find a former employee who's willing to violate a nondisclosure agreement and get it that way. Is that right? 100% correct? Is that the two terms at that point? Exactly. In, if you ever remember having to blow up the cartridges of your Nintendo, Nintendo had a chip on its motherboard to prevent unlicensed games from playing on it.

Well, Atari Computer was trying to get back in the game after going bankrupt, and they hired old Nintendo employees that had made the code to prevent the games from running on the system and just bypassed the code. And so then they got food, and Nintendo wasn't so exactly spot on. Okay, fascinating. That is fascinating. Yeah, yeah, you're kind of a geek about this.

How do you know so much? Oh, well, I love the former life. I probably should have been aware of that, but really, I've. I've got four patents and one pending right now, and and I've helped a lot of people with their trademarks. I've written a couple of books. I'm a professor of information systems down here. I assume.

So, so interesting. Cool. That's so cool stuff. You. Hey, you'd be fun to have a long conversation. Yes. So. Yeah, well, thank you for that. I appreciate that, especially since you're professional talkers. Well. Thank you very much. Well, he would probably have a conversation with us for a long time and be like, that wasn't so fun. Yeah, right.

Yeah. That's true. I was like, I'm underwhelmed by the outcome of that. But, yeah, you know, we we may well, you text us your info because you're like a good person. You're a good go to guy if we run into certain things like this. I love having, a Rolodex. So. Experts. Yeah, right. Somebody. So I'd be happy to.

Okay. Yeah. Just send us your info via text, and that's fine if you don't want to say it on the air. But but, if you want to send the info via text, I think you're a guy. That it. It'd be good to have, just just, to be able to reach out to once in a while.

Oh, I'd be happy to answer that. Probably later. I've got a faculty meeting, actually, in five minutes. Okay, okay. I'm happy to do that. Hey, your faculty meeting at a university. Tell them you listen to The Neil Larson Show on Newstalk. What are some of the you you know, I'm in the I'm in the College of Business and I can guarantee you that the vast majority of us probably listen to the Neil are some show.

Yeah. On our way to work. Well, then tell them hi. And that's awesome. I will, I will, that's great. All right, well thank you. All right. Appreciate it. All right. That's interesting. That was very interesting. Yeah, yeah I looked up the whole story about the Coca-Cola thing. So yeah I'll tell the Facebook Live audience. So if you want to hear it okay.

Just text the word live to (208) 542-1079. That's perfect because we're overdue for a break. We'll come back in just a few minutes right here on Newstalk 179. Why does my nose itch so much today? No, I don't know. Okay, so the hustle publication did a whole story about this. Yeah okay. Here's a here's how it goes. And a hot summer afternoon in 2006, Ibrahim Jimson walked swiftly through Atlanta's Hartsfield Jackson International Airport clutching a yellow Girl Scout cookie box stuffed with $30,000 in rolled up $50 and $100 bills.

Minutes earlier, he'd handed off an Armani Exchange duffle bag containing dozens of stolen Coca-Cola documents and a vial of the secret formula, all marked highly confidential. And he had given them to a man named Jerry, who claimed to be a Pepsi executive. Everything was going according to plan to plan Jimson and his inside source, a Coke, had hundreds of trade secrets.

They planned to sell the Pepsi, and this was just the beginning. But there was a problem. Jerry wasn't who he claimed to be, and unbeknownst to Jimson and his accomplices. Oh, it swears the ship was about to hit the fan. Hey, so the FBI was in on it. They orchestrated the whole thing and caught Dixon and his buddies.

Oh, wow. In it? Yeah. So it was a sting that, oh goes on forever. Talks about how those people started working together. So this is on the hustle from February of last year. If you want to hear a really interesting story okay. Let me ask you this question though. Let's say it now is Coke trying to get info from Pepsi or the other way around?

Who was trying to steal from who? Nobody was trying to steal. Okay, now employees at Coke were trying to benefit off of finding somebody who would take it. Okay, so Coke was the bad player. The employees of the Coke was that plant, right? But came from the Coke side, is what I'm saying. Yeah. Okay. So let let's say let's create a hypothetical scenario here where you, you do something nefarious to get your competitor's formula.

Okay, okay. And you get their formula. And then the law steps in and says, you can't do that. You can't pay a former employee. They violated nondisclosure. You know, they they work hard to protect this. And you've done something nefarious to get this. So you're like, okay, you're right. We didn't. Does that preclude you later from going into a clean room and figuring it out when you already know what it is?

Does that make sense? Like you already cheated. You know the answers to the test because you cheated. And they're like, no, you can't do that. But here you have to take the test now. Yeah, well, you already know all the answers. You already know all the answers. I don't know the answer to that, but I wonder how that would get figured out.

Yeah, that would be a great question. Or. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that that probably ends up in civil court and damages and all that. And yeah, they took him to court. It looks like there was three major players and they were handed two and five year prison sentences respectively. They should have died where it started.

Said, one of the, defendants. And he said, we started it as a mere fantasy and we took it too far. Okay. Yes they did. You get 2 or 5 years for, stealing trade secrets, but no prison sentence at all for molesting a child. Yeah. Okay. Thank you for your time. Thank you, everyone. And just to add on the Kamala Harris point, I think I speak for everyone at the white House.

We encourage Kamala Harris to continue going out and speaking, to speaking engagements. You'll hear from the president at 11:00. See you guys. Probably my favorite clip of the day right there. Caroline Leavitt encouraging Kamala to be more visible. Get out there. You know what? She could have added more names to the list. She could have said we encourage Kamala and Tim Walz and Jasmine Crockett and Bernie Sanders and Gavin Newsom and you know who's died off, Josh Shapiro.

I think he had too many difficult things cropping up. And his team is probably trying to tamp those down his mansion was also hit with arson, and so he might be kind of laying low for a minute. Yeah. Like, just going to. Yeah. But I think you're right, though. I don't feel like he was getting a lot of I don't I think people are like, he's a complicated fella.

Aren't they also on that side like we got our own complicated. It's not a complicated. No. Last. Yeah I'm, I know, I know you're, you're not you're not wrong about that. I just there's cycling through like there is like who do we put out there. Yeah. Yeah okay. Should we do this one. Let's do the flagpole.

Yeah. Okay. The question is, is. And I think people are really torn. Julie. I'd go with either one. Honestly, I'm. I feel like this is the same environment that we had in 2016. Early on. And in my mind, I'm good with either Marco or Ted. Ted's a little more conservative firebrand. Marco's super effective, like he's a guy that could get it done.

Now, as we look to 2020 and I know we're barely into the the Trump's term here, so you're like, it's early to be talking about 2028. I don't know that it is too early. I think we need to start crafting ideas about 2028 right now. The comments that Caroline Leavitt played or that that she made, that you just played are the reason it's not too early to start thinking about it.

You need to keep your boot on them. They're down right now. Yes. You don't let them get back up. You keep demoralizing them. I agree with you. And that is a very unchristian sounding thing to do. But it's the most Christian thing you can do for our republic and for the American people. We have got to continue to leave them with no hope.

And that's really what's going to be the best for the country in the future. All right. If it were held today, we think the frontrunners right now are JD Vance and Marco Little Marco. Remember when Trump come here and things have changed a little? As they said, they sat side by side in the cabinet meeting, just two days ago.

Yeah, just yakking it up. Marco or JD? No. Excuse me. JD Vance or Ron DeSantis. Or that. Let him throw in another one. Yeah. We'll allow it. You know if you have somebody else in mind. 20854 217 Caller if it were held today, who would you go for? Marco's my man. Who is Marco? Yeah. Marco, man.

Okay. All right. Thank you for that call. 208542127. That's true. Like you and I, in our minds, it's JD or Ron, but I, I do think there are some other peripheral opportunities here. So yeah. Absolutely. I, I'm sure that those who are dying to have a female president are actually now looking at Kristi Noem and going, oh, okay, maybe she does have a possibility.

Yeah, I don't feel that way, but I could see some people thinking that. Yeah, yeah, I do too. We've got in the text line a Marco and a couple of JD's. So, we'd love to hear from you. 285421279 caller who are you kind of leaning toward right now? JD oh, go ahead. JD because I don't fully trust Marco on the Second Amendment.

Oh, gotcha. Part of that gang of eight. And I just don't know where he is. He's still a squish on that issue. Okay. All right. Sounds good. JD Vance, it is. Let's go to the next, one. Someone just texted in polo. Caller go ahead. Who would you who are you leaning towards? JD Vance. All right, event, I'm a little surprised we're not getting more run.

Ron DeSantis. I know, I there when we talked about this earlier, there were several in the text field. There was there's a Ron DeSantis right there. There's a JD for president. Love his way with words and how he stands behind President Trump. There's a couple more Marco site I and then there's one more JD right there.

So yeah it's mixed. It is mixed. Next caller, who are you leaning toward for 2028? I'm going to say Rubio. Okay. Rubio, are you surprised there's so many a little bit, because I think that, well, 2 or 3 years ago we thought it's Ron DeSantis. Trump's done. It's got to be Ron, Florida governor. Everything changed though when Trump made the comeback and he changed that landscape.

And now JD Vance is a very viable viable replacement. And I think he's going to have the opportunity to be more visible to the American public, too. And Marco's had a high profile position. Yeah. That's true bestowed upon him. That's true. And let's go to the next caller. 2028 your thoughts? Go ahead. I would like Ron DeSantis to be the next president.

I think he has to hold back his show together. He's in control of his emotions. He doesn't take things. He doesn't rush things. And he's been proven. And he manage Florida very well. And he challenges, there is regrets. And all those people are corrupt, so I like him. I think this will be the best. Okay. Ron DeSantis 208542 117 caller who are you leaning toward?

Morning, guys. At this point, I'd like to see a, ticket of J.D. Vance. Ron DeSantis is the VP. But what I really hope is, no matter who the Republicans run, I hope the Democrats are stupid enough to run. Kamala Harris again. Yeah. Let us all pray for that. Yeah. I'll say I'll say the prayer. All right.

A volunteer volunteers tribute. Volunteer that prayer. All right, 2028. Who are you leaning toward? Calling me? Yeah. What about Christine? Nobody say anything about her. You know, I'll be honest, I'm not a big fan of that. I, I I think she's doing my job. She's doing fine. Just, I have Kristi Noem issues, but. Yeah, go ahead.

I really think it's JD Vance. That's the one. Yeah. Gotcha. All right, well, thank you for the call. We still don't know what happened with Kristi Noem. And, what's his Lewandowski? We don't. That's been that went away. Put under the rug. Yeah, well, like what happened there? I don't know. The last, caller who said JD Vance and, Ron DeSantis as vice president, we've had multiple people send that combo in.

Ron's a little older than him, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah. Is that weird to have only Bush Cheney that, you know, you had a younger president than an older vice president? I don't think so, because they both seem young. I think if you ask the average person, they wouldn't know which one of them is older. Yeah, that's a good point.

Let's go to the next caller. Who are you leaning toward for 2028? Good morning. I can't make up my mind between J.D. Vance and Ron DeSantis, and I be okay with Marco. And isn't it great to have such a big back? Yes. Yeah, it really is. And we were talking about that before. Thank you for the call.

I like this problem. I mean, it's like we don't know what we're. You know, who we're going to eliminate. Yeah. Earlier, I threw out Kristi Noem because some people would like to see a female president. We have somebody on Facebook who said, Tulsi, has hinted that she's running. Now, she would be running as a Republican this time instead of a Democrat, presumably.

Yeah. How do you feel about that? I, I could I could get my arms around that. I'm. I'm okay. Now, Tulsi, I don't know that she's pro-life. I think she's pro-choice. I think there's some residual Democrat beliefs with Tulsi Gabbard that could be problematic. But now that abortion is firmly ensconced in as a state issue, I don't know that that would matter as much.

Yeah. So all right. It would be interesting. I think Tulsi is measured. I think she would be great on the foreign stage. Especially in negotiating with foreign partners. Yeah. Yeah, there's some upside there. Yeah. I will say, as these texts roll in, JD Vance would give the edge to. I think there's more JD than anybody else.

So yeah, I would say that to somebody else. Said, well, let's have JD Vance, but Tulsi as the VP, a Vance Gabbard ticket. Absolutely. That would be a powerful ticket. Yes. They're both young. They're both very, very fluid in communication. They're they're just. Yeah. The transparency could continue with those two. Yeah. Because I think we need to approach that this is going to the American people are going to get very used to this transparency.

And they're going to be frustrated that the Democrats won't do that if they win again. Yeah, because we know the Democrats are not going to do that. Yeah. And so whomever we put up, we'll also have to have that transparency, because they can equally get frustrated with the Republicans for backing off. Yes. You know, it's true. Can I say one thing that I don't think we're really taking into account here?

And I'm going to make a statement. You tell me if you agree with it, Donald Trump will pick who the nominee is. Oh, I think he could be the kingmaker. I think he is the kingmaker at this point, which you would think that gives JD Vance the edge. But then look at how it deteriorated with pence. You know like it.

So I you don't know what things look like in three years. So I right now I think it's probably JD Vance, but I think it's going to be whoever Trump desires it to be. And, I think we have to incorporate that thinking into now that doesn't matter who we would like to have, but I think it absolutely matters in who's likely to get it.

So somebody else said along that those female lines Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Oh she'd be good too. She she's done a great job as governor. Yeah, she really has. I, I see her back in the white House at some point. Yeah. All right. 943 on Newstalk on us Sony. Well, good. I didn't know like this is an issue that's like three years out.

I didn't know how, how the audience would take it. Julie. But we've had great participation this month. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you all for a great problem to have. It really is a good problem to have. You know, this is a good problem to have too much steak from grand pigs. Primates like where do you put it all?

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This is a great point. Someone is saying that we're arrest like they're being kind. They're saying JD will get more than three years of experience under Donald J. Trump. It's true. He will become very well schooled in the art. I've seen growth in him since they were elected. Like, yeah, yeah. So it's it's not like going to three years of college.

It's like going to three years of college and doing an apprenticeship and having a dad who grew up in that position and yeah, inheriting the family business. And that's like there's a lot of levels. He's on a fast track. Yeah. Yeah. I, Julie and I were debating on whether or not we're going to go over to the Hobby Horse Derby in Boise.

It's a real thing. So I said, I didn't know that. Well, a hobby horse derbies are a real thing. Yeah. This isn't a sanctioned hobby horse. Oh, there's an official organization. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. Yes. Yeah. No competitors and everything. But, a brewery and Boise is getting in on this trend. I don't know what you call it.

And they're having a hobby horse event. Okay. Is this, like a trans equestrianism or a drag? Well, like a here's what I thought. You get people drunk enough, they'll sing it, they'll stand up and sing anything on karaoke. Yeah. You get people drunk enough and you give them a hobby horse. They'll run around and race each other. Oh, I'm sure it is a hoot to watch.

I had no idea there was an official hobby horse. Yeah, there is. Yeah, you can look it up. It's like serious business. What are the requirements for that? It's a stick. Oh, they have courses like equestrian courses and jumping and all of it. I mean, you were going through earlier off er about the dressage and the, you know, all the things that they did and I'm like, you know, cause this is a joke, you know, I mean, it's apparently not.

No. This is a tongue in cheek event. Well, yes, this is. But Hobby Horse is not a joke. Okay. I've got to be very, very careful about how I talk, because when people are serious about a fake sport, they defend that sport more than the people who are serious about a real sport. Right. They'll people will mock some things about pickleball, right?

Yeah. It's a real sport. Yeah. I don't know if these people are in a mocking any part of their sport. So do I need to be careful and not offend the hobby horse people? No. Do you think we have any hobby horse enthusiasts in our audience? We'll find out here in a minute.

Okay. Is chess a sport? It's a game. Okay. I'm trying to think of other ones that we call a sport that you're like. No, because I know a sport requires some level of athleticism. Now curling is a sport. I think archery is a sport because you have to refine a very physical part. But I don't you have to move pieces on and that's not it.

Anybody can do that. Anybody over the age of four can do it. So it's not you don't. Yeah no I would Do people think chess is a sport? I'm looking up some stuff here. Let me see. I'm going to do what games are called sports that take no athletic ability. See if I get a hit on that.

I always feel like that's mutually exclusive. Horse racing. A jockey? Is he an athlete? Is a video gamer, an athlete? An athlete? That. That's the flagpole we should have.

949 on Newstalk 179, Julie just informed me during the break that there is an official hobby horse associate passion. Yeah, it's a real thing running around on sticks like a moron. It is not worthy of having an official organization. I'm sorry Neil, taking creative licensure over there. Okay, yes, I am, but come on. They have an official. Uhhuh.

There's tournaments and everything. Okay. Do you think we're going to see this in the Olympics any time soon? No, no, but, I would never, Look, we had to endure the break dancing Australian lady. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. So that's the same level of what she brought to the Olympics. Is the same level of hobby horse.

That's that's that's true. All right, let's go to the phones. Really quick caller. Welcome to the show. How are you? Hi, Neal. Hi. Hey, this is Mike Carlson, calling you from the Bible County Republican Central Committee. Oh. Hi, Mike. I just wanted to I just wanted to put out to your listeners out there that, we will have our, Lincoln Day dinner tonight at the Shiloh in Snake River Event Center.

There's a few handful of tickets still available at Bonneville gop.com, and doors will open at 630. And we would encourage every Republicans to come on out and support the party. Okay, great. Bonneville gop.com is where they can get the tickets. Absolutely. Thanks very much you guys. You bet. Thanks, Mike. Good day. Good to hear from you. All right.

(208) 542-1079. If you'd like to join us on the program. Okay. Let's go back to the phones. Hi, caller. How are you? Fine. How are you guys? Good, good. What's up? I would like to say that. And, Mark, this is the 100 days that we have not had Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz in the white House. That's a good that's a good way to frame it.

I like it. Okay. Thanks, guys. All right. Thank you for the call. We're so lucky. We are. We are really lucky. It might be blessed. And we might not just be lucky. We might have been blessed. Oh we are. Those are two different things. Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right. Like there is a divine element. Yes. Yeah. Let's go to the next caller.

Welcome. Hi. Hi. I, have a right. Just been thinking about this, Victor kid in Pocatello. That's my hometown. I love that town. You know, I have a little issue with some things that are being said because people are depicting that the cops responded unfairly because he was an autistic teen, but they responded to a drunk, not an autistic person.

I, I, I will say this. I think it is very important and I'm sure that this is part of whatever investigation is going on, that what the cops knew as they were arriving on scene is very important to take into account. I would agree with you. We have the the luxury of retrospect and hindsight's always 2020. The police officers responding to that scene that they did not have that right and that.

But that's my point. When I when I hear the news report and even at like a news update on on the station this morning depicted that it was the the cops didn't respond to an autistic child, but they didn't know. Well sure. But the the facts are it was an autistic child. That's how it that's what reality is.

And that's what the news is reporting with the caveat the cops didn't know it as they were arriving. So we can't ignore the reality of the facts. But I understand the reality is he was autistic. Yeah. When you're talking about reform, to train and educate the police officers, you're asking them to respond to some saying they should have responded to something they know, okay, I didn't.

Now there's probably way more to talk about here than we have time to talk about, but I, I will I just want to put this out there. I've read a lot and there's been a lot of commentary on this experience. Police and well trained police will not take for granted exactly what is being reported in the 911 call.

They would go in and say, look, they're saying that this person was drunk, but there are a lot of things that could look like drunk, and one of them could be physically disabled or autistic or whatever. So you kind of like you have, you know, you have a situation to respond to. But I don't know if you should go in and just simply take as gospel truth what A911 caller has said.

No, I, I understand that point. But, you know, things happen real quick when when the vicar got up and lunged. And this actually brings up something even before the police got there. Because if you watch that video, the father was beating him with that. What? Yeah. And that that only escalated this further. I have I have experience with autistic people and friends who have autistic children.

So I have a little insight to how they function. And that actually made this whole situation blow up even worse and, and created the dynamic that we had. Yeah. Well, I think I mean, in the same way the cops didn't know what happened prior to them arriving. We're not sure what happened prior to seeing the video of the dad fending him off with a log.

You know, maybe they, you know, we we we don't have the absolute full scope of everything that's gone on. What we do know is when the cops were arriving, was it the father that was over there? I think it was a grandfather. Grandfather? Yeah. He was standing casually off to the side, not appearing to be threatened, nor did the women who were standing in the yard appeared to be, under impending threat.

Either. You do recall the grandfather hitting him with the law. The police did not see that. No. And that's. But my point is, is this situation was escalated before the police got there. That created a situation where Victor, okay, lunged at them because he was aggravated. Well, true, I, I agree with that. But still, we're not even talking about the fence.

The fence is important here. There was a four foot fence and and furthermore, when you talk about the gap, the 21ft rule of thumb here, it was the police that closed that gap. They didn't need to do that either. So it was the police action that led to the gap being closed as close as it was. So I think it's mixed.

They didn't handle it perfectly, which I agree with. Yes. And that was standard like if we if we continue to push, you know, cops says with the narrative that we're pushing even including this, this incident and it's a tragic incident like very tragic. Yeah. You're on and I still feel very badly. But the same thing happened in Idaho Falls when the guy was in the backyard and the police officer shot him because they were chasing an armed suspect.

That was a tragedy. But the cops didn't. You know that they're doing their job. We if we want to protect and serve us, there are bad ones. We need to hold them accountable. But, man, we can't come after them like this. We're going to have complete chaos because no one's going to go in to protect and serve. Yeah, I, I, I appreciate the call.

We're we're kind of out of time here. And we do have to talk about town and country gardens again. Julie, this obviously is going to be talked about especially when the results of the investigation come. Yeah. There'll be lots more conversation on this and we'll keep talking about it on Facebook Live. Yeah, we can carry this forward on Facebook Live.

But right this weekend great weekend to get your garden going. Although watch the frost I've seen a couple of frost warnings the last couple of days, but at least get ready for it. Yeah, you can get your hanging baskets, your mulch for your garden. You can prep your soil and of course, the four step lawn program. If you haven't gotten that started, it's not too late.

Go get it and you will love the results. You'll love the people there to all the expertise that they have. They can answer all your questions and really quick answers to it. Maybe something that's puzzled you for a long time, but you're like, I don't know about this thing that I'm seeing with my apple tree. What do I do here?

And, more than likely they're going to be able to tell you south of Idaho Falls on the Yellowstone Highway across from the Budweiser plant. And that's going to do it for the show on this Friday. Please have a safe weekend. Julie and I, we, you know, I will be back here Monday morning bright and early on.

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