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Love Island S8 Ep 23- 27 recap w/ Sunny Gray
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We see the aftermath of Casa Amor. Couples and friends are ad odds as they all try to keep the peace in the villa. Meg Thee Stallion Returns.
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00:00 — Intro and Initial thoughts
SPEAKER_02Welcome back to your point of view podcast. I am your host, Bridget, and I have my special guest, Tony, today, aka I am Sunny Gray, helping me finish. We're finishing out the last two weeks of Love Island, which is crazy. This has gone so fast. How are you today, Tony?
SPEAKER_01Uh, you know what? I feel well. I feel like a son because of my blonde hair today. So it's a ball of sunshine.
SPEAKER_02This girl be mentioning stuff knowing we are not a video podcast.
SPEAKER_01It's fine. They don't even know when my hair is blonde. They know what the color blonde looks like.
SPEAKER_02They're like, mm, we don't know. Maybe I'll post it, I'll post a picture on my um Instagram on your point of view podcast so y'all can see with her blonde hair. But what did you think of this last week? I feel like this this week and last week, in my opinion, were the best two weeks for drama. But what do you think?
SPEAKER_01I I definitely agree. I think last week we had uh Casa More, and then this week coming from Casa More was movie night, which ended up on been being on my birthday, which is exciting. It was a treat. But overall, when it came to drama, a little backstabbing,
Aniya, Carl, & the Villa Men
SPEAKER_01baby, uh dishonesties, I couldn't complain, could not complain.
SPEAKER_02I agree. My take on it is that the men are evil and the casting has to do better next season. I'm all for a little bit of drama, but I I love to see love, and so I have attached myself to one couple, and that is Carl and Anaya. And I don't care what nobody thinks, it's my Nickelandria for this year. And luckily, I'm not surviving off of crumbs. We're actually seeing this couple together the next, I guess, the next week until the end, which they're getting the Leah and Miguel edit. I feel like they're not getting a lot of screen time. Like they want, I don't know if I would say they would want Anaya to get back with Casey, but they know that the beef between Casey and Anaya is the drama point, even though Casey, not Casey, even though Anaya and Carl have a fan base that's growing and people want to see them together for some reason. We're just getting lits little bits of things like Carl doing these cute things for breakfast. I love Carl. I could go on all day, but yeah, I just think the men are demons except for Carl, and I don't like nobody, no other man on the show this season, honestly.
SPEAKER_01As from a story, like from a storyboard aspect, if if you're thinking maybe the producers want Anaya and Casey back together from a story point of view, I would say yes, because it's one of those I don't want to say greatest love story trope, but it's uh they had a miscommunication arc. He went off thinking that uh she wasn't feeling him the way he was, and he still held that whole door thing away from that whole door thing over her, basically saying, You don't really like me the way you think you do. And from probably a Naya point of view, this is my opportunity to show you I'm choosing you at this fireplace. We you're we're going through that challenge. Here I am picking you, and he did pick her, and then they're gonna argue. And he realized Naya is the love of his villa and wants to get back with her, and she's gonna be like, I I always want you, and here I am. So storyboard, it sounds nice, but it would be nice if Casey wasn't running his mouth like he was in a marathon. I would probably be like, Oh, yeah, okay. To your point, yes.
SPEAKER_02I do think they want that because I think they want a lot of the OG couples to go through strife and then come back together. But yeah, Casey said a lot of things that wasn't okay, just like Rob in season six said a lot of things about Leah that wasn't okay. He wasn't anywhere near as bad, honestly, but he was calling her crazy. He was basically like gaslighting the situation, they wanted them back together. But it was clear Rob and Leah have the same issue as Anaya and uh KC, which is their communication was not good at all. And Rob was so quick to leave Leah, which is what you were supposed to do in the beginning, but he seemed to have at that time, you know, more connection to Andrea, even though that didn't work out either in the long term. But yeah, I think they're so really bent on the story and not the actual people sometimes. And I think that sometimes can hurt the show. But I'm glad that they both decided to do what they wanted to do. And I will say this, they did bring back Carl for a reason, and I think that reason being they knew after that fire pit thing, there was a no coming back for Anaya and for Casey, it was wait with the whole TT added and the girls screaming and all that, it was just too much. There was no coming back from that.
SPEAKER_01Totally agree with that. And the thing about this is that we had the season uh prior to which is season seven, where none of the couples, even if they're people were in a couple, they weren't likable. And they weren't like as an individuals and they weren't likable when they were together. There was a lot of things that people were doing. We had this whole Ace and Shelley arc where they were doing this dance back and forth because they knew each other, then that girl that will not be named on here, ended up picking Ace. Uh, I think in the first episode, she didn't care about no girls, girl. And I feel as though she didn't kick if she didn't get kicked off the show. That I I I I am now putting together that every time someone gets kicked off the show for racism in the beginning, it's gonna go downhill from there. And my theory has been proven for the second time because we didn't know it was gonna happen the first time, so it's got proven the second time. So now we're seeing for season eight where a lot of the couples immediately link together. Uh, I think we first talked about how, oh, this is lovey dovey island. Why is everybody already kissing night two for breakfast? No, you gotta earn the kisses, you gotta do the kisses and the challenge to feel like you like somebody. For Love Island, USA, you do the icebreaker kiss, you're like, oh, I'm feeling this person. You talk about some feelings and whatever and get to know each other because you just kissed a stranger. Afterward, you're kissing people in challenges of who you might be interested in. And then you progress. And I'm seeing that progression with Anaya and Carl, where he didn't kiss her after the breakfast. He waited, and then now we're starting to see scenes where he's now kissing, giving her the breakfast. Uh that's what I wanted to see in the beginning. Why am I getting it at the end two weeks now when we're about to close? They're gonna have to extend it.
SPEAKER_02Unfortunately, that's not happening, it's ending the 12th of July. They just need to, they gotta get it together with how they're they want the um seasons to progress moving forward. Because it's two years in a row now that fans aren't really getting exactly what they're they wanted, which is like this season was lacking bombshells.
The Season's Structure, Bombshells, & Challenges
SPEAKER_02And at this point, I don't think another bombshell is coming in because we literally have one week left. So they I out of all the bombshells, Soul Gabe who was downgraded to a bombshell, Keda, Jen, Caleb, and I think that's it for bombshell.
SPEAKER_01You're you're right. Because if you don't want to, if you really don't want to count Gabe as a bombshell, because he's got downgraded at one, we only had one bombshell, but one bombshell that's a man. So it would have just really been Caleb. But because Gabe got downgraded because of the girl, it's just two male bombshells and three women bombshell. So it's not really that much. And if they do bring somebody else in, it's it's to the point where it's late in the game, people should be settled in their couple. One bombshell should be coming in just to shake the table, and the table is not being shut, uh pots are not being stirred. So and not only that, but here's my issue the lack of dates, the uh one hideaway for a couple that shouldn't even got it in the first place. Yeah, so we only had technically if you want to count Kata and uh Gabe for the dates, it'd just been two uh three dates. So Gabe and Gabe and Kata and Trinity and Bryce, we had one hideaway. The challenges are way better because there was no food this year. Thank God.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. They gotta stop with like the freaky stuff though. Like the toes was unnecessary. I feel like it's okay to just have questionnaires and a little bit of dancing on some of them. Like I get it.
SPEAKER_01There were no fire pit games. The Casa thing. That's not a fire pit game to me. The fire pit game, that's that's a challenge. Well who's who's lusty or who's freaked out? Where was the last fire pit game?
SPEAKER_02What season?
SPEAKER_01This is this is UK.
SPEAKER_02Well, that's why, because you're thinking about other.
SPEAKER_01They did have like fire pit games, but for um previous seasons. But at least we get to see something where no, you know what? It wasn't a fire pit game, it was an in the villa game where they'll ask questions of like, who is this islander? and they'll write down the name of the islander, or they'll be in their couples and they decide which islander. I call them fire pit games, but they have done that last season, at least. They didn't even do this season. All they do is just licking toes and rubbing slam up on each other.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm tired of like the assignment, all the extra stuff. I feel like that's unnecessary. And you're just getting people here dirty and nasty, and then you make them sit there and talk to each other with it's still on, like at least let them shower first. So I feel as though there's some things that they could tweak for season nine, but we can just get into our full-on recap and get into episode 23. Zach pissed me off within the first five minutes because after this is aftermath of TT and the girls bickering, and Zach again is dismissing a woman's feelings. I believe it was Melanie, he said, ruined a nice moment by yelling at Sincere. I'm like, how the way you see Sincere move consistently in this villa, and he might not see everything, and we learned that the guys don't know everything, you know, on movie night. But to know that Sincere is moving weird and doing a lot with the girl in Costa, and then wondering why she's upset, especially after seeing the live stream, Zach and Keda are not lasting past that PG Airport. I I fear they might not even make it to the Dagon reunion because once Kaida sees the show and really sees all the perspective of Zach, and he has no empathy for women, in my opinion. I feel like he is very toot-faced, and I just do not like him. He has nothing to say about the boys' bad behavior, but everything to say about the women.
SPEAKER_01He's really a boy's boy to his core. Zach is for the boys. For the boys, really. Zach is at the root of every messy drama in that damn villa. And it's evident every time something is being said about a couple, Zach is there giving his opinion that no one acts for. We've seen him done it multiple times. Kada let that man get away with murder if she could, which is quite fine because she and their tit for tat playing back and forth type of vibe. I can't say that I don't like it or I do like it because I'm not in the couple, but I don't like when you let a man get away with too much that he's playing with you all the time. He's not a serious person. He and him and Casey are the same people, just in different fonts.
SPEAKER_02Him, Casey, since you're all got a dash of each other's personalities.
Episode 23 and the aftermath of movie night
SPEAKER_02But I that's the thing. It's like these men, they are feeding off of each other's bad behavior instead of one person being the leader and be like, oh no, actually the girls are right, or trying to correct it, be like, hey, like you moved. I mean, we see a little bit of this after movie night, but it took the worst of the worst of Sincere's clips for them to finally say something. To me, it shouldn't get to that point. Like, y'all saw some of it, you may not have known all of it, but y'all were cool with it. And just like how uh a little bit later on when we talk about Casey and Anaya clips, so many people excusing Casey and how he's speaking about that girl, and it's just crazy. And speaking of, Anaya's breakdown, like literally crying to the ground, had me almost in tears and had you in tears because Melanie's speech was that was gonna that's gonna be one of the highlights of the season, I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Anaya breaking down and crying is just Anaya represents so many women that actually give a guy that may not be her type. Let's just say we don't know if Casey isn't or is her type, so I'm not gonna put that in her mouth, but we're just gonna go with it with the internet insane, right? He represents so many of us that the guy may not be our type. And even if he is our type, you put in a lot of effort into this guy, you put in a lot of trust, and he's beating down on you, saying, You don't like me, you don't have to mess with me, blah, blah, blah, blah. Even though he uplifts you and stuff, you still feel as though he makes you feel like something's missing, and you go against your gut and you give him a chance and show him in a moment where it's vital for the relationship of where you do like him, I love you, I trust you, and be like, you know what, I've been a little bit too hard on him. And it's and it's happened to me before where I feel like I've been too mean to my partner. I feel like I'm too hard because I have this wall up, and not only to protect myself, but because I feel something's not right. And as soon as I say I'm going to show him and give him a chance, it bites me in the head. So that she just represents a lot of us where we took the chance to be like, here I am showing you that I do love and appreciate you. And I'm sorry if I made you feel less than that's just not what I wanted to do. And watching it in real life TV, I was I started crying for her. I'm like, yeah, girl, that was me in 24 for a minute.
SPEAKER_02Yes, that's another thing. These girls are so young, like the girls and the guys are young, and the men have a lot to learn. It's not saying that all of them are irredeemable, and I'm hoping watching themselves back, they actually see, like, hey, I don't want to move that way. But watching her break down and then cut into Parmita and um TT at the fire pit just laughing with the guys, talking about like, oh, they're doing too much. They acting like uh they are married off after a couple of days. Cut to TT,
Anaya’s breakdown and empathy for women on reality TV
SPEAKER_02excuse me, cut to Parmita when the close off of Corbin literally three, four days after knowing the man. Mind you, the girls have had three weeks with the men, but you want to say, oh, we're not 21, 22, that's why Parmita's 27, yeah, and she speaks like a 20-year-old. So Parmita, like girl, not too much now. Cause look exactly what happens when you do spend that much time with somebody. It does, because this is 24-7, no phones, no distractions. Your only job is to find love, and people seem to forget that as well. This is not the real real world where you have a bunch of other things going on, so you're not getting as invested as they are, and it's it's a situation designed to form attachments. So yeah, they had a lot to say, and she was like, Oh my god, they're laughing at me and like breaking down to, and I just gotta say, everybody that was laughing at Anaya's pain, I just I wish the situations on you, and you're not supposed to wish bad on people, but no, I wish the situations on people that really found that shit funny. Because to see somebody, even if you don't like her or can't really relate to her story, you have we have all been there in a relationship if you have dated before, where someone has broken your heart, no matter how long it's love, doesn't have like a logical time frame. You can fall for somebody or at least feel as though you're falling for somebody within a couple weeks, a couple months. We know some people have gotten married after a couple weeks of knowing somebody, and some of those people are still together to this day. Other people ended uh really badly. But you know, it's not your job to say how someone is supposed to feel after a certain amount of time. That's what I really don't like about people when they get nasty with their opinions. So I ride for Anaya, and honestly, any woman that just puts themselves out there and ends up getting hurt the way that she did, and on top of that, she's humiliated in front of national. This is a show that's has like what 40 million people watching it and betting on the show as well. So people also betting on your downfall, betting on your pain. Like this, there's a lot of stuff going on now with the popularity of this show.
SPEAKER_01Right. And my thing is that we have to remember, uh, and people like to do this thing, oh, that wasn't me at 24. Thank God, okay, one less idiot, I guess. Right. But my thing is that we are watching young women navigate their current dating world. It may not be our current dating world back when we were 24, but we can basically empathize with her or epitoph epitophone. Sorry. Wait, what? That's not how you would even use that word. That was a different word. But no, on a serious note, because I was making fun of sincere. We can we can empathize with her on that feeling that she's feeling. And for people like TT and uh for me to be like, oh, you guys acting like y'all not that you guys are married in 24, it's really just funny to hear because we watch T T get upset that KC was gonna share a bed with Sydney, and we see her on some handy getting really upset about. After a day, mind you. After a day, correct. So this girl crying and being hysterical about a situation that is happening to her and feeling completely embarrassed and ashamed because not only did she give up the good guy to show a guy that she's been coupled up with for three weeks that she has loyalty towards him, this is just a phase for them, they're gonna get over it. He ultimately not only embarrassed her, because I'm she's gonna be mad regardless, and I get what people are saying, she's going to be mad regardless, but also the conversations that they they were having, the the way he made her feel throughout this time, and not to take away from the positive things that he has said about her, it also are rubbing up against each other when he goes up to the villa and just talking mad crap about her, and then you telling me I'm gonna pick you and come back and pick somebody else is a slap in the face. So we have to give grace and for people to laugh and be like, oh ha ha ha, it just only shows the type of people they are when it comes to empathizing with another woman's. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Because they're saying, oh, she's insecure and all these other things. Meanwhile, last season, um, Huda and was crashing out all over the damn villa, and she had a whole swarm of people that were like, oh, this is relatable, and blah zé blah, and and I didn't do half of that. Mind you, she had, I think, like five million followers leaving the villa because she's so relatable, because oh, we all been crazy around about a dude just for this season for people to have a double standard. And that's just to say, again, there is an extra standard when it comes to black women, especially our dark-skinned black women trying to navigate dating. We're just all supposed to have everything together 24-7. That's not reality, that's not reality at all. And then for people to say this comes up at movie night and Zach was like, Oh, y'all jumped on KC because without even knowing what he said in Casa, KC, the things really started turning up, and and I really started yelling when he brought up the door and picking and nobody picking him because you're then disrespecting the weeks after in our and I don't think any of the girls said that, and if they did, they cut around it, but you're diminishing our connection
Double standards, men’s behavior, and relationship expectations
SPEAKER_02to the one moment I didn't pick you, and mind you, you you weren't able to pick me. So, how am I supposed to know you would have even picked me? So, this whole pick me pick me conversation when we have no idea. I don't even think there was a clip where KC said, I want an eye, I want to pick an eye before the girls got to pick. So, for all we know, he could have picked Melanie, Trinity, Bea, whoever else was standing there. So, I just think is it's so stupid is the conversation of no one picked me is the dumbest thing because we have no idea who the boys would have picked. Because we know Zach wouldn't have picked Kenzie. I don't know who he would have picked first night, but it wouldn't have been Kenzie. But we only know that because he was very vocal about it right after. So yeah, the whole conversation dumb. The girls ended up squashing it, which I feel like production probably stepped in and told all of them, like, hey, you guys have to get along, you have to calm down a bit. Because we were all thinking, how were they gonna sleep in that villa really hating each other? Because it got real like about to be WWE slapped uh smack down real real fucking quick over there. They squashed it and then Anaya next day, which is really sad because again, Anaya sleeps in soul ties and she goes to sleep. I don't think I've ever seen somebody go to sleep before everybody else. She literally went up and slept by herself, like she was crying so much that she went to sleep before everybody else. The producer's probably like, it's okay, just go ahead and go to sleep because she was crying so much. Uh whoever laughed at that evil. That's all I gotta say.
SPEAKER_01Evil women that are boy moms and just male sensors.
SPEAKER_02And men, too. Like, none of that shit is.
SPEAKER_01I don't care what a man wants to do if he wanna cry or laugh at that girl. I don't give an opinion with a man with a mic or without one. I give a bit, I don't care about a man's opinion when it comes to damn mounting my TV. They barely know how to do that. I and it's not to say that I don't care what a man's thought is, I do, but not when it comes to a woman's feelings. Talk about I'd rather watch them talk about KC and how they see it. And the issue is for us, it's and it's not a gender war, it's never gonna be. Is y'all set up the patriarchy, y'all set these rules and regulations and whatever and what a woman's supposed to be, how a woman's supposed to act. And here's a woman showing her feelings. And it comes down, it boils down to a lot of good men, unquoting that, to good men seeing themselves in KC, where they pour all this love and admiration and everything else in between, and really put into a woman. And this is a woman that they've been trying to get at. And put the time, the effort just for another dude to come in and do it in a day and get that woman. It's a sense of entitlement over somebody else's, you know, emotion, their body, how they should react. I did this for you, so in return, you should do for me. They're not doing it out of the genuine fact that they really like this person and they don't expect anything back. When I give gifts to people on their birthday, I don't expect a gift to be given back just because I gave you something. And they're just a small thing. But because I like you and I want to reciprocate that I'm gonna give it back to you, and that's the issue. They can't understand, and this is why a lot of women end up in a lot of uh predicaments where they don't accept certain things from men or they barely want to say no to them when they go out out of the fear of our own lives, because of stuff like this, and it might stretch with that analogy, and I know it is, but but sometimes I feel I'd be over exaggerated, but a stretch of over exaggeration. But this is our day to day. This is our day to day where a man like Casey, and not saying he was doing it, he's just my example, a man like Casey would pour into you, and because you don't give him the cutie like how he wants to, he's gonna move on to the next girl just when your walls are breaking down. And yes, this is not his problem to fix when it comes to her insecurity, whatever. But if he was really patient with her, if he really liked her and really took the time, we would have seen a different side of the internet where, oh, you really don't like this boy and you're just wasting his time. No, we see the disrespect. We see how he spoke about her, we see how he pours into her because he expects something from her.
SPEAKER_02Yes. And I'll just come up and bring Carl up again, because that's my man. And I look out. It's like, um, no, it's it's night and day. Like her examples are night and day for the two men that you were given. Because you have KC, which is everything that you've said. And look at how Carl handled rejection. Carl went on to damn near cry when he saw her upset because he actually cares about her and actually values her. Meanwhile, Casey snickering over at the fire pit with his new girl and a bunch of people that he barely know. And then um also Carl comes back and says, because we both are back. Carl comes back and says that he is ready to, you know, continue the connection with her. Like he hasn't even tried to look at somebody else because he understands different perspectives and different nuances, and this is where it comes into like emotional intelligence and then like really missing the entire point of what women actually want in a man. We don't want empty compliments, we don't want empties, nothings like whispered in our ear if you actually do not value us as a person and care enough about us. Because as Trinity said at the movie night, your entire argument as to why our connection, your connection with Anaya isn't strong was because of things of lust. And we see how Anaya moves differently when she wasn't being insecure, it was her gut feeling telling her something is off with this connection. And we've all been there, we've been like, this guy is real sweet, he's doing everything, but there's something I cannot connect with him for whatever reason. And it turns out he's a fucking dirtbag after you, you know, give him a chance or whatever. Then all of a sudden he's acting cool off you and stuff like that. So, and that's exactly like what KC imagine if she did do those things and give her body and time to him and stuff like that. She would be even worse off than she was. She was damn near on the floor, not even having done that. They would have had to wheel her out of there to they would have had to wear her out of there to get medical attention. It would have been bad.
SPEAKER_01Over over my ex-boyfriend, where I was like, I have to try. Like he really is a nice guy. And it was one of those feelings where I felt as though he was a nice guy, and I believe Casey is a nice guy as well. I feel like they don't have great character. You get what I'm
Carl vs. KC: emotional intelligence contrast
SPEAKER_01saying? So I have been in a situation where I love um I love my boyfriend. I liked him a lot, and I gave a lot of time and situation, like a lot of time to him. And even though it's something in my gut, I even have in my diary, like, I need to break up with this boy because something is off and I just cannot pinpoint it, and I don't want to get too far.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's not who he is. Yeah, I think Casey is the quote unquote stereotypical nice guy. And I feel like he is part of the unfortunate red pill epidemic, and he's still young. There's time for him to learn better ways and learn how to be in a relationship. That's something he would have to want to do, and unfortunately, there's a gang of people that are gonna, when he gets out, are gonna side with him. So who knows?
SPEAKER_01You know what it is? Uh in as as women, and I hope nobody won't say this the wrong way. I have said this to a friend of mine before, um, a guy friend, you know, how those how those men work. He was saying something about how the girls don't pick the nice guy and stuff like that, and we're going on a tyrant. And I was and I said to him, I want to tell you something. It it's gonna sound crazy because it is crazy, but from a perspective of not only a woman, just a girl overall, it doesn't matter. It's easier even though we know we shouldn't. So hold on, let me land. It's easier to pick the bad guy, the guy that's not good for you. Because at least you know this is who he is at his core, and he's not gonna hide it. Like you've are you he lays everything to you in front. You know you know he ain't shit than it is to pick the nice guy because they're not really nice most of the time. We sometimes we cannot tell if they're really they really are nice, and we got that gut. I shouldn't have a gut feeling about a guy that I think is nice. They're the worst because they'll they're like wolves in sheep clothing. They give off this, I'm the nice guy, I'm the good guy, where's the flower? Where's the thing? Basically, I don't want to say love bombing, but it would essentially this they're showering you, showing you what it is for a man, how a man's supposed to treat you, how a man is supposed to like you, yeah, is that how they're supposed to be towards you? And then all of a sudden, your your man, they no one could tell me about my boyfriend, no one could tell me anything about him because he was the nice guy. And even though something my gut was telling me, no, but overall, we hear this a lot. Oh, y'all should choose better, y'all should pick up better. This was the better guy. He was the glasses, the nerd, very nice, shower me with love and whatever, whatever. And overall, they're the worst, they're worse than the dude that's ate shit because at least with the ancient dude, you know what you're getting up front. And it's not like nobody wants a nice guy. We all want nice men. We want men that love us and cherish us. But how do you differentiate the ones that are supposed to be genuinely nice to you and you thought you picked better, just end up being eight shit?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think you just have to. It's I think now we've talked about it more on social media and stuff. There are definitely definitely ways to tell. Like, I again, I'll always bring up Carl. Like, you can tell an emotionally intelligent man or the one that's literally not seeking anything from you, versus a KC. And that's why we're having the conversation about Corbin and KC. That's what they're saying. Corbin, as shitty as he is, too, you know what you're getting with Corbin. He comes in, I want a kiss, and da-da-da, and this and that, which is probably why Melanie didn't really flock to Corbin and went back to Sincere, which is another person that has a mask on and pretending to be this sweet guy and saying all the right things. And you have to, it's really, you have to keep going with your initial gut. You have to keep asking the questions, giving them scenarios and all these other things until you get the answers that you want. You get you cannot be fooled by them buying you things, saying nice things. Right. Because they can turn around and do, you know, anything.
SPEAKER_01They can literally use our experiences as well. Because we saw you you saw the Discord online where people are just like, oh, they're going after KC, but they're not going after Sincere. It's also Sincere's generally stupid. And he though, no, he's as much as people want to be like, oh, he's just playing dumb. No, he really is dumb. I really feel as though Sincere feels as though he's being sincere and he's being nice and he's giving the girls what he what they want and all that. He's lying to his friends, he's lying to himself, he's lying to the people that he's templed up with because he wants to I disagree with that. I think Sincere knows exactly what he's doing. He wanna emerge in the in the index principle when it's immersed. But we're why because he's generally stupid. We know Casey comes from like he knows a lie, he's well educated and stuff, and he well, he presents himself as such. Not sincere. I would that boy is dumb as a bag of.
SPEAKER_02I think Sincere knows what he's doing, because you're not dumb if you're able to cover your tracks already. He's very manipulative. A lot of people say, yes, he covered his tracks as well as he could. If there weren't cameras around, nobody would ever know. Nobody would ever know. None of the wide.
SPEAKER_01That's every dumb dude. I'm not giving him a leeway and stuff. Well, people are giving Sincere too much credit of him being smart. He's not smart at all. Smart, smarter men who are meticulous and covering their tracks would probably be Casey for me.
SPEAKER_02I'm not saying he's the smartest person ever. I'm saying he knows what he's doing. That whole like weaponized incompetence, he knows he's hurting people. He knows he's selling a dream. And then as soon as he's caught up, he tries to flip that shit back on you. Yeah. Because he did that with Soul and he tried to do that with Melanie as well at the uh movie night. I guess we might as well just jump all around. This was just gonna be a larger discussion for this podcast episode. But during movie night, we saw a five-minute clip of Sincere literally lying back and forth to Soul and to Melanie, and Melanie's just sitting there, like really sad and broken down. And then it was so much that they had to cut his lies into two. We then saw another one with Amora, where um, you know, he's telling her if we have more time, it would be you that I'm taking back and all this other stuff. And then that was like it for Melanie. She started to snap in there, like she wasn't quiet then. And she's like, You're doing all these things. And he's like, Oh, you're not perfect either because what you did with Corbin, and she's like, What the hell did I do to Corbin? She said, When he first got in here, blah, blah, blah. You're holding on to that in your ammo to try and make her feel bad. He had nothing to say when it was sold because she literally did nothing else, she wasn't there long enough to even talk to anybody else. But with Melanie and the Corbin situation on the bed is what I'm assuming he was talking about when she was kissing back and forth. You, if you really felt some type of way from that day, you should have dropped me that day and moved on and just been with Soul. But as some people have said, like trying to analyze, he is another one that was playing it safe and knew that Melanie, after a while, you get to know people's personalities, spending so much time with them. He knew that he could just say what he wanted and Melanie would take him back. So even though she was fighting against her gut, she also doesn't have a great support system in there because Anaya, as much as I understand her and love her, she's not a smart 23-year-old when it comes to giving advice and love. She's literally telling
Sincere’s behavior and movie night lies
SPEAKER_02her, give Sincere another chance. Then we have Kata who was like on the fence, and as soon as Sincere puts on some rose petals, which what you got from production, and a rose you got from production to come to get breakfast. You're not even you're not even making me dinner. This is breakfast, anyways. So as soon as he's doing that, Kata's like, well, I'm Team Sincere. And then Trinity's also telling her to like give it another chance. Like, you're watching your friend break down to the point where she has to leave the big group and go to speakeasy and cry and and be in soul ties. Mind you, after the movie night and everything came out on that, all of the men sit around, they're in shock that Sincere is moving this way. And they say to him, Make sure you're the one sleeping in Soul ties, don't let it be her. He was like, Oh, if she's in Soul ties, I'll just let her stay there. And if she's in the bed, I'll go and soul ties soul ties. And they were like, No, go to Soul Ties and tell her to go, you know, back into the room and you'll sleep there. He sleeps in the room, he does not care about Melanie. And that there was there's been so many instances where these girls could have put it together, but that being the one for me is like, you don't even care enough about me to sleep outside. You're gonna let me sleep outside and be sad and not be in the room with everybody else. Like this man is he is a, he's only, I think, 22. His mom coddles him. She's been on the internet basically defending his actions, saying like everybody's selling a dream in there and blah zé blah. And while we have bad examples of other men, I will definitely say, in my humble opinion, Sincere is the worst of them all. Zach is right there too. But Sincere, Zach, and then we got KC and all the rest fall in line afterwards. Because for you to do that and again lie to everybody and manipulate everybody, because his whole point was so the men would look at her in a certain way and probably be cool off that connection and all this other stuff. So you really genuinely ruin her time in there because she could have got to know somebody else, but you're kind of like, oh, she's doing all this over him, and he's telling her the truth and blah blah blah. Like, sincerely, like I said, he's not a mastermind, but he knows exactly what the fuck he's doing. I'm not hate him. Well, that's right, and that's the end of the podcast. I guess we hate sincerely. Yeah, no, he he's really something. Like, he should not have made it this far through the season. He should have been, they should have done something with your favorite islander and got him eliminated, but they were trying to drag it out so he could get to movie night.
SPEAKER_01But movie night, I I told you this. I predicted this two weeks prior to. I said, they're gonna I said two things. At first, I was like, I want them a certain amount of people to get to movie night, and then we just boot everybody off. And then my other thing I said was they're gonna try to get the core people to movie night so we can have some tea. Because only had Sean dumped, Ria dumped, soul dumped. That's three people prior to movie night. It should have been about six before moving. And yeah, yeah. It should have been uh I almost forgot about him. It should have been like six people before movie night, but they're trying to get certain people to movie night to have because the season has really been uh been lacking, no one has been exploring. I didn't even see when Trinity explored KC. She probably had, but I I didn't see it. Didn't see why it's hard to anybody but Sincere on some friendship tip. And and though I feel for feel for her and everything else, a night cannot hold water to save her life. And probably because she had this whole thing as well, and then moving back to her real quick, she had the whole thing as well, like nobody was telling her nothing, and you just watched her be stupid. You can't hold water because as soon as somebody says something to you, i.e. Sincere said something to you, you went and told Casey, like, oh sincere said this, and we and we never saw the aftermath of that Casey approached Sincere about it. And he probably did, and that's probably and I'm not and I don't want it to stem from this. That's probably why he's just been holding everything together because he Sincere doesn't like um he can't, he doesn't like conflict. You can tell he doesn't like it because he's holding all the stuff against Melanie, rerunning the bed, and I get it, she embarrassed you grow up. That's how dumper. Right, he doesn't like to be embarrassed, he doesn't he doesn't have any conflict resolutions, he doesn't have an analogy for everything and uh he doesn't know how the villa works and I can always tell every season which people were reached out to and who actually watched the show and applied. I can always tell it sincere. I don't think he damn well got uh applied. Somebody reached out to his ass.
SPEAKER_02I mean, they're in that um hotel room for like a week or two. Make them watch season five or season six or like literally any season. They're not. They should. But you're not doing anything else. Watch the old season so you know how it works.
SPEAKER_01And also, like sometimes when time one time when you get people Sierra's a great example of this. Sierra is from season seven of Love Island. A person who watched the show and know the dynamic of how the show works and use that to their best advantage to get far. Well, I mean sometimes I don't really I want people who watch the show, like in their pastime and stuff, but when you have people who really know everything about the show, and we had that happen with Scott from the UK version. I love Scott. They they can basically guess the next step of the show, and sometimes it just really makes it not enjoyable because they know how the show is supposed to work, and instead of just being their authentic selves most of the time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's kind of damned if you do damn if you don't. I don't think you need to be watching every season before, but I'm sure if they watch one season, they're like, Oh, I see how this is supposed to go. We're supposed to be, you know, talking to bombshells. I don't think he's gonna have a whole playbook written down, and you know, you kind of have to go off memory. I don't even think they give them journals or anything. But yeah, I still think, huh?
SPEAKER_01Sometimes the previous season isn't a good example because you're gonna go in there off a season, what seven example and then I said don't use them.
SPEAKER_02Don't use the bad season, use five or six, and then you'll knew. And then they also, if you're watching it there in your hotel, you don't have your phone, you don't know who was the favorite if you really don't know anything about the show. So I'm like, you're just kind of going off of what you see. I guess you get kind of figured out by how much camera time people get. But yeah, I don't know. They definitely need to at least explain the dynamics of the show. If not watching it, be like, this is how it goes. The first couple weeks, you're supposed supposed to explore, find somebody, then we do cog like they have to have told them something. You can't just go completely blind into the show. I mean, with Corbin talking about, oh, they catching everything in here when they watch a movie night, you wouldn't even think they told him he was on TV. Somebody said it looked like he'd he'd be thinking they have mash and necklaces on it, it's not a microphone.
SPEAKER_00Cor Corbin is funny. I like him from time to time. He has moments that I like.
SPEAKER_02Corbin can be funny, yeah. He like I said, him being the voice of reason, and we all have our theories about that as to like I I truly believe he's upset because he could have been exploring Melanie because we had that Corbin, Melanie, Kenzie Sincere dynamic before Casa. And I think he was ready to tell Kenzie, like, hey, I'm gonna respect my couple, which he did. But then when he realized Melanie is still all about Sincere, he's like, Why would I try with somebody that's already far gone in their couple? So he pushed himself towards Kenzie. But if he knew that Sincere was moving like that, if Sincere was more open with the boys, he would have absolutely put more into his relationship with Melanie. So I think he likes her. And um, as much as Corbin can respect the woman, I think he respects how hard she has tried to make the connection work, and he's just like him along with everybody, it's just like, damn, you really did that girl like that off of what reason?
SPEAKER_01Also, production only gave them like three days to be coupled up, and out of the three days, Melanie slept outside for two little three days, and they did that whole BS, I love you know. And honestly, if I was Corbin, I would have picked Kenzie too, because your feeling for since you're so strong, you're not gonna stand here and look stupid, and then now I'm I'm single.
SPEAKER_02That's exactly why he did it. Because he was getting, I think he was okay without the instant affection, but it was like you're not even talking to me as well. And then I remember when Corbin, not Corbin, when Caleb saw them allegedly kissing, and then Melanie found out she was even more cool off of like the situation with Corbin's because she's like, Oh, you already came in here hot trying to kiss everybody, and you're going back to your couple. Why am I putting effort into that when you know I could still be with Sincere? I think that's where her her mindset was. So really, Sincere, he should have just he I feel like he wants to rock with somebody that is going to continuously forgive him, which at this moment, right now, is Melanie. I think when she leaves this villa, she's gonna have a better support system of her family that have already said, like, we don't like him, we don't want her with him. She's also gonna see, I don't know if there's much more for her to see because she saw the highlights, but really see like people rooting for her and wanting her off of this, knowing she's gonna know there's nothing there. You can't have a relationship with somebody that lies like that, like lies so much that they probably believe their lies at that point. So, with them two, then we have the nine casey of movie night, which before we got to movie night, we had Meg DeStallion come into the villa, and she kind of gave Casey a heads up because Casey was on this weird ass like grudge. He's like holding the a grudge against the girls for calling him out. He pie Trinity and was like, Oh, this is somebody that got something so much to say. Tried to pie her, missed, and Trinity said, Still, you are. I guess because he has still I rise on his back, which is Maya Angelo, if you don't know. But um, yeah, he was been weird. He's been making these weird little comments. Like somebody peeped where he called Melanie a dumbass for something, called Kenzie stupid when she didn't do it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Melanie a dumbass because uh Sincere. This is when uh Amora, I was about to call her Maya, Amora came back and was going off to talk to Sincere, and he was telling TT, look at this, look at this with her dumbass.
SPEAKER_02Oh, she's trying to lean over, yeah. Now I remember when she was trying
Kenzie, Corbin, and the messy triangle
SPEAKER_02to lean over and look or something. And then he called Kenzie stupid. There was a challenge between her and Zach. We're supposed to eat cake and find this like message, and she found this little thing that looked like a scroll, so she stopped. And then Zach kept going and found like the big thing, and he was like, Oh, with her stupid. Like, he's just been really weird, the animal uh animosity towards these girls. And for me, I'm like, every fire pit ever, one man at least, if not two, gets chewed out by women. They normally just take it and just like go whatever. Casey was acting real weird until Mike DeStallion was like, You don't remember what happened in Casa, you've been real disrespectful. Then he was like, Oh, this is on TV. They caught all me, like him and Corbin, fucking besties, not realizing that yes, your shit is on TV and people are watching this shit. So I think from then he realized, like, hey, my clips are probably bad, and he started moving a little bit slightly differently. And I think that's when he tried to have his first um, I'm sorry, with Anaya, and that was a terrible apology. First, when he pulled her, he was like, Tell me what you have to say. How are you gonna pull me and tell me to tell you what I have to say? You clearly have something to say, so that was whatever. She kind of accepted it, but she was just like, I'm not hugging you or nothing. You could tell there was still a little bit of animosity. Mind you, Carl is back in the villa at this point, so she's more like focused on him anyway. But then the clips are rolling, and everything to me was okay until Zach was it Zach that said there's a double standard because we saw it was his yeah, it was his her clips with Carl came after and she was exploring but didn't say one bad thing about KC. Which he also defended, which is crazy enough.
SPEAKER_01Who defended? KC. He defended it saying when they were having a group discussion about it, he was like, Yeah, she didn't say anything disrespectful to me. No, I said it's confessional, but he said it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because she didn't. That was her whole point at movie night, which was um completely different than the fire pit, which was you're disrespecting our couple by saying, I didn't pick you first day, so basically fuck it. And this time you're disrespecting our couple by talking to all these people about me, and not when I come to you and I ask you, like, how you're feeling, where you're at, you're telling me everything's good, but you're gonna run to Corbin because I guess he found out he can't really talk to Sincere and and tell him, Oh, she's a grandma, she this, and not getting this, I'm not getting that. Then why don't you tell me that if that's what you really want, so I can move on, because that's not what I want to give you. Um, so yeah, when Zach says it would have been different. No, Sincere said it would have been different if her clips were played first and walks right into the point and says, He you guys did the same thing, he just moved a little bit more disrespectful. And she was like, That's literally my point. I don't really care. Yeah, C is an idiot. And then um TT was all over the place. She was like somewhat trying to make their point by saying all the guys pulled her and said she he's so much happier with TT and wanna act like they didn't know that KC was like lukewarm on their their um connection. KC ends up standing up at some point and yelling, trying to yell his point across because at this point people just yelling back and forth. And then Anaya walks over and she's like, Why are you standing up? Sit down, is like yelling in his face, and then goes back. Eventually, she apologized after movie night. I think this was immediately after movie night. She walks over, the guys are like sitting at someplace, and um she's like, I just want to apologize. That was really disrespectful for me to get into your face the way I did. This was split in two, and the the entire internet was basically dragging Anaya for that and saying she should be kicked off the show and all this other stuff. And I'm like, She didn't even lift her hand to this man. It would be one thing if she started throwing stuff at him. I'd be like, Yeah, you gotta, you gotta go.
SPEAKER_01I always can tell somebody's need to love Island and they be wanting people kicked off the show. Every day, I you know, and it's not even like, oh, get this person on my villa funny because you're tired of seeing them on TV and then for a couple days they change your mind. You're like, you know what? Because I'll be like this. I wasn't a Serena stand at at one point. I was and then by the end of the season, but I never was like, oh, well, I was like, get her off my villa, whatever. And then so then I'm like, that's my girl. I wanted Cornell to to find somebody else at one point, yes. But we like you just have to warm up to them, but like let it go. She's not getting kicked off the villa. If you want somebody to get kicked off the villa, watch some other show because it annoys me. Because the UK season girls when uh forgot her name, we're just gonna call her Anna, but everybody should know this. When she and Jordan became boyfriend and girlfriend, and he decided to talk to a villa girl on some whatever and was like, oh, is that the Yes? Like, got into a relationship off the car, so we had yelling at uh Teddy across the and he called her stupid, and she's like, Oh, you're stupid. And they were going back and forth for it for days. Moore was eating everybody's ass up. What? What Ella was going off on a tie at one point, Whitney wouldn't shut up. Kathy was cussing Scott out. What are we talking about?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no. The first girl that you mentioned, I know exactly that clip, and she absolutely was in his face yelling at him.
SPEAKER_01And his he first of all, he wasn't even at a fire pit. He wasn't even watching a movie tonight. He was talking to a girl from Casa, and she got up in his junk and said, After two days, are you serious? We have um what's Shorty's name? Oh my god, Belle. Belle, when she got into the argument with Antoine, it was going at and was going at him, at him. What we had girls from the UK version telling men to shut up. What? Yeah, Grace, Grace is eating, oh Grace, oh yeah, she was eating them up. So when y'all come on the the USA version, like, oh and I should have got kicked off, they gave me the ick. But I'm like, this is a that's a this is a love island USA everyday trivia. We're not saying these behaviors are okay, but we're watching people having Stockholm syndrome because they've been held against their will half the time. Held against their will, but their friends don't want the their friends in the village don't want them to leave because they don't want to go through the experience by themselves. They they create this like trauma bond and holding their friends hostage and not try to get them off. We see plenty of time people wanted to go home and they're like, don't leave.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I think it was Anaya. They were like, she's like, I want to go home. They're like, no. Melanie wanted to go home.
SPEAKER_01Uh Janae wanted to go home. Serena wanted to go home. Aaliyah wanted to go home. Everybody on that damn show is wanted to go home. These people are on these shows for our entertainment. And you know, and we're watching them navigate uh their version again of the dating world and be in most of the time, these people ghost each other. They won't even talk to each other. I do not believe Anaya would let a man like Casey treat her like that for so long until she'd just be like, I don't gotta deal with this. My daddy was in the NBA and we'd do a nonprofit. I had a fucking Bentley at six, please.
SPEAKER_02Right. No, yeah, absolutely. They're just being cordial and everything now. I don't see TT being friends with like the OG girls. I see maybe the Casa girls after this, but yeah, they're only trying to really make it cordial and get through the experience together without everybody like having a bunch of animosity. Casey and I will not be speaking after this. She has Carl. There's no reason. Especially when you started, it's that like it's like that with everybody. Because why am I talking to somebody now that I'm in a relationship with a man I did pick and he chose me and all this other stuff? And T T gonna be the same. Why are you still talking to her? It's like a weird, it's you can't really be friends with the person that you were really um honed in on in this experience. That was basically half of your experience because y'all had a romantic thing at one point, so yeah, you're just doing it to get through um the experience. But uh yeah, I think people are nuts for saying she needs to be kicked off. It was not that serious, like it wasn't the best thing you can do. But I used to, especially my early 20s, I used to get so angry, I used to black out. So, like sometimes I don't even remember doing certain things, and I'm not saying that's just what happened with her because clearly she remembered, but I'm sure she got heated to a certain level to where she was just like, bro, sit the fuck down and all this extra stuff. At least she took a calm ability and apologized. And unfortunately for some people it's not good enough. People were like, oh, production made her do it. Like, that's where I tune people out, and I'm not listening to you at that point.
SPEAKER_01I'm not listening to you. I was way worse in my 20s, and I will not admit my crimes on this podcast, but I was way, way, way worse. And to see her, you know, I there are probably a couple men that need an apology out of me, and y'all not on giddy, not even on fuck y'all. I'll do it again, like Kata said. Matter of fact, I'm in my 30s now. I'll do it again with no regrets.
SPEAKER_02Let's talk about Kata and Zach real quick because Kada's and Zach's clips were, they seemed pretty mild. Zach had already told her she was he was kissing on a girl and had a connection with a girl. Mind you, Zach told Kata, told Kata, if I wanted to bring back this girl, I would have. So flash forward to another clip, which is Sincere's clip. Sincere is always at this, no, KC's clip, always at the scene of the crime, of um them watching Casey pick TT. So they do an outer shot, and Trinity's like, Where's Angel Wings? And then and then Keda, you can see she was already scanning for the girl, was like, wait, where is she? And then the Casa girl say, She left night two. This is Alana who was removed for saying the slur. So mind you, Zach told her, lied and manipulated, said if I wanted to bring back the girl, I would have. So now that she is saying, I just found out new information, your connection was kicked out the villa. Were you going to choose her if she wasn't removed? And you're like, no, I didn't tell you because it wasn't important. You told, I don't even think Katie remembers this. You told me you would have brought her back.
SPEAKER_01That is maybe he was being honest. Uh maybe he was being honest when he said, if I wanted to bring me that girl, I would have, but I didn't have a choice. Tony, what are you saying?
SPEAKER_03Don't piss me off. Don't piss me off on this podcast. What does that even say? If I wanted to bring that girl back, that would even make sense.
SPEAKER_02But I didn't have the choice. They kicked her off the show. I think he would have ended up going back without the girl, regardless. But it's the fact that you left, you told me, yeah, we're there's no way for us to really know because she left midway or the day before, whatever. But it's the fact that you told me you would have brought her back if you wanted to, left that part out. But with unfortunately, Keda gets a little emotional cries, and he's just like, This is Napoleon. I knew this was gonna happen. Like, Zach is an A1 gaslighter. I I don't like to use that, but his tactics, he's gaslights like crazy. Him and Sincere are the same person when it comes to that. Because you're gonna take me being upset and try to flip shit on me. Kada unfortunately has no backbone when it comes to Zach. They talk about this after, and he says something like, Oh, you look good or whatever, and they like put this to bed, but you could see her getting upset, and I feel like every single time she's about to have a big emotion, he does something to manipulate her out of it, and I don't know what kind of spell this man has on her. And for this to be her first connection, he went to the same school Harry Potter went to, so no, literally, because for this to be your first connection,
Kayda and Zach, plus Kenzie’s accountability
SPEAKER_02you never really got to explore, and you just fused to Zach the way that you have. I know the Casa Boys were corny, but damn, like I just don't understand the hype around Zach at all. So Kate and Zach, they have their little um squabble, and then we have Kenzie with her Ring of Lies. So they show Corbin, Kenzie, and Caleb that um threesome at that point. So they see the triangle, whatever you want to call it. They show Kenzie telling Caleb how she really has more in common with him and all this other stuff, and then they go back to her like telling Corbin that she misses him and kisses him, and it's just pretty silent as well. But I would say Kenzie, she had she took a responsibility and she said, Did she say she was sorry? Because I don't know if she said that. She just really said like it looks really bad.
SPEAKER_01And Kenzie said it looks she did say she was sorry. She said she said she said she was sorry to uh Dylan and Kayla because they're the ones that got the backfront of her exploring and stuff. Alas, Kenzie Kenzie don't take accountability either for certain stuff, but because I felt in that moment it everybody was silent on her part, even the girls were like, Kenzie, dang, like they didn't know how bad it was. And not only that, you hear Melanie when when kid when she had on that brown ensemble and she was with Corbin and they were in the bedroom and he like slapped her butt. And you hear Melanie said, Oh, Caleb, because it's sad. And I've been saying from since week two, Caleb's fault is that when he explores one person, he's going to stick to that one person. And that's F'd over in the end because he only explored Kenzie. He might have explored the other girls, but he probably had the same issue where with soul where well not soul, maybe it's Marshall Gen, where everybody else is closed off, you just have to pick the single person or the ones that's open to you. And he ended up picking Kenzie because she was the one that was most open because she was her her people who keep getting kicked off or whatever and stuff like that. And he ended up exploring her and got effed over in the end. Same thing with Promita, just exploring Permita as they're not five other Casa girls, and now he's stuck with Jaden, end up with Jaden, they got into an argument because Jaden didn't even tell Caleb that she really didn't like him like that, and then they had that argument. So Kenzie and this whole thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so she took accountability. There was no deflection on her part. I'll give her that for sure. Dylan tried to make the shit about him. Dylan is her new connection. I don't like Dylan. He started to cry um in one of these episodes where she said that she kisses Gall. Like she Kenzie was still exploring up until I think movie night. Kenzie would probably still be exploring now if she didn't that movie night thing. Right. So there's a situation with Gall, Kenzie, Dylan, and Jen. I didn't remember this, but people told me that she told Jen around the time when they're picking the Costa Boys that she wanted to explore Gall still. Right. And they said they set the ground rules of they're gonna let each other know how far things go with the other. So Jen and Gall, they got into this weird argument where Gall again was just blaming her for trying to express her feelings. She basically said she wants more affection. He was like, Oh, that's not me, or asking me to be somebody I'm not, and all this other stuff, just to turn around and be seen in the speakeasy, touching Kenzie's hand and going in for a kiss and all this other stuff. So basically, he just wasn't feeling it with Jen and just let her take him back, which we said last podcast episode, it was given Kenny that like his expression, he didn't look like he wanted to be picked by Jen, he looked like he wanted to be picked by Kenzie. So um Kenzie and Gall end up speak uh speaking the speakeasy, and she lets Kenzie know that things are basically done with Jen. So instead of Kenzie waiting to talk to Jen and tell her, like, hey, I'm really feeling him and kissing him before that, or wanting to kiss him, she kisses him in the speakeasy, then goes to tell Anaya, who, as we know, cannot hold water, and it gets to Keda, who found out from somebody else, who found out from somebody else. Keda actually found out through Dylan.
SPEAKER_01Through Dylan. So oh yes, because of after the thing, yes. Right. The night that it happened, Dylan was crying and put on his uh one-man show in front of Zach and Kata and told them whatever happened, Kenzie kissed so-and-so in the speakeasy. And uh, Kenzie let that shit set the whole and the issue with people are like, oh, it was bedtime. No, y'all have the dressing room, y'all have a quick pull, like, hey girl. Yeah, exactly. After you did it, when you told Dylan your next uh like mode of operation should have been like, where's Jen? And she waits the next morning, midday, because you can tell it's midday by how the sun is, and Kada was the one to pull Jen and be like, girl. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So that's my thing. You live with these people, there's no reason for it to take that long. I felt that way with Melanie as well when it was Kenzie and Corbin. Because I'm like, why is she taking so long to pull her? You can find them pretty easily. You just ask somebody, where is so-and-so, and go find them. So Jen pretty much told her, I don't like the way you move. If this wasn't Love Island, I wouldn't be your friend and I wouldn't
Kenzie, Jen, and the fallout from the kiss
SPEAKER_02trust you. She's deflected. This is before movie night, by the way. So she deflected from this situation and she was just like, I'm not a bad person, I'm not a bad friend. I was gonna tell you. But no, I found out like fifth, and I was supposed to be the first person. Um, if you know, probably after Dylan, I suppose, if you want to be t super technical, if we're gonna tell Dylan first, that makes sense. That's your connection too. But come tell me after. But I have a feeling she was overwhelmed by his emotion and then scared to tell Jen. She's like, Oh, if this is how it is gonna be with my connection, I wonder if Jen's gonna be upset. So I don't know. Kenzie though, she's just not finding her person on this island, and we have a we had a vote yesterday, no, Friday, and it's the results are coming tonight. So I think she's gonna be in the bottom, and I think they're gonna send her home, her and Dylan. Because we had a recoupling this past episode where she got two votes, I think. One from Corbin and Premita, and then another from Caleb and his connection jaden.
SPEAKER_01Oh no, actually, it wasn't from Premita and Corbin. Oh no. Oh, you're right, you're right. It was it it was sincere.
SPEAKER_02Was it it was Sincere and Melanie, yes, it was sincere and Melanie.
SPEAKER_01And uh Caleb and Jaden. I was surprised Corbin didn't pick Kenzie, but he said Kenzie picked him out of spite. He is correct. And she was correct. And what she said. Right, because she I know Kenzie, one one thing about Kenzie that I find funny and I admire sometimes is that she's not gonna let a man play in her face, but she's gonna definitely let you know she doesn't like you, she's gonna hold her grudge. Because she moved on from Zach to picking Corbin and Pirmita, and Pirmita was like, You bitches are chopped, and y'all mad because me and my niggas look good, and y'all are ugly as fuck. Because you don't know our conversation, and you're mad because I look better with him than you. That's exactly what she said.
SPEAKER_02For political purposes, Pirmita did not say the word N-word.
SPEAKER_01Premita is not black. She did not say that word. I've got to struggle. She's like, Y'all are chopped. Y'all are mad because she looked at Kenzie and was like, Y'all are mad because y'all are ugly. And then her and Kenzie has this face off because Premita is not gonna stand out. And she was like, I mean, she's like, No, you're still mad because you're ugly. That is not what she said. She said when they had that conversation between the both of them while they were all hugging it out, Kenzie was like, baby, I didn't do that. And Premita was like, No, you're mad because you're chopped.
SPEAKER_02She literally just said, You're being petty, like, stop being petty. Um, to say literally what Premita said. Basically, she said, it's not because we're both good looking or whatever. People started laughing because it was funny. But yes, that did translate to we're fine as hell, we know it. And just because we're both good looking doesn't mean we have in-depth conversation, which tells me Parmida is on a different planet because everybody there looks good.
SPEAKER_01That doesn't mean that anyone they Miami. He's like, out of everybody in this villa, me and my man look good. And you're mad, Kenzie, because in real life, you ain't never had no fine shit, and I could tell. And your ass needs to be gone.
SPEAKER_02So, yeah, that's all that to say Parmita and Corbin are hilarious when they want to be. But no, yeah. So those were the two votes that she ended up getting. You can kind of tell that Caleb has after, especially after seeing movie night clips, he still has resentment over how his experience went because of Kenzie. But that's all all technically, all these people are moving dumb based off of knowing these people for a week or so and having this weird loyalty that goes for the boys and that goes for the girls. Like you just need to speak to the person before as much as I didn't like Bryce and how he tried to double back with with uh Keda, I can't say much about how he went about it because he spoke to Trinity first, he also spoke to Zach first, and then he tried his again with Kata. I I just didn't like the fact that she already rejected you, so why are you going back to her? It would be different if it was a new connection that came in. It didn't make sense to me, but I guess it doesn't have to. But he went about it the way you're supposed to, and he said he just wanted to know if there was anything there, and he found out that it wasn't. And ever since he's been back with Trinity, and then with Costa, he tried with the girls, and I think he kissed like one or two girls, and he was just like, Yeah, this isn't for me. So, in my opinion, I think Bryce might be doing it the best way, and he's trying his best not to hurt people along the way. He's trying to be as transparent as possible. Meanwhile, everybody else is just cutting themselves off because KC had this weird allegiance to sincere with soul, and he cut himself off from talking to Soul and then regretted it. And it's the same thing now with Corbin, who seems to really be upset that he didn't get to really explore with Melanie because she was wrapped up in sincere. Like you actually have to put effort into these things sometimes to let the person know that you want to be with them. And I think a lot of them just want it to be an easy uh ride through this experience. And because of that, it was boring. And a lot of people didn't get the experiences that they should have had or had got to have the conversations that they probably would have had they actually had a backbone to do so. So Love Island games. I fear when you get off the show, that's pretty much it. Because I have other people in my DMs. I'm not dating nobody, unless I really genuinely felt something for you and we just didn't speak. Why would I talk to you? Like at that point, I think we should just be friends. It wasn't meant to be, apparently. So I don't know. I don't know how often that happens where Love Island people find each other after, but I'm not really seeing it. Maybe Melanie with somebody, it's not gonna be Corbin.
SPEAKER_01People normally, if not on their own seasons from an uh from another season, because you know they can trauma bond, or they get with somebody from a different reality TV show. So sometimes that happens.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so at the I think we just kind of flew through everything. Go back into Anaya and Casey.
Aniya & KC resolve their issues
SPEAKER_02They do have a proper um apology. Casey pulls her, and it's funny because Anaya says, Grandma come in. He was like, girl, that was funny, that was cute. So they end up talking. You can tell there's no animosity from either one of them, and they just kind of get their weight lifted. People debating whether or not um Casey why his why he gave the apology, but for me, I think that doesn't matter as long as you genuinely apologize to me, which it seems like he did, enough to where they just hugged it out, and she was like, This is the most genuine I've seen him in here, so good for them. So now they can move on to their own new connections him with T T and her with uh with my man Carl. So Carl is just to mention him again, so people don't forget, he just does he does these cutesy little things with the breakfast, he makes little butterflies and flowers, like this man goes the extra mile, and then because he's eight.
SPEAKER_01We all understood it's how the end of me saying stuff. No, no, I'm I'm being I'm being dead. Like that's their culture, like they really put into the like efforts with their food because food is a big a window for them of showing that you appreciate stuff.
SPEAKER_02I'm not listening to you. This is a Zach was on our thing last season. I didn't see no butterfly food. Zach from last season. Who the fuck is that? From Kaza, from Thailand?
SPEAKER_01Zach. Anyways, that's really a big part of their c their um their their culture. The food is a a window in there. They really do like um tradition. So him doing that is no surprise and also shows that his because his mom, I think, is the Asian one, really instilled caring for somebody. They show by their actions how much they really, really like somebody. And I think those are the type of stuff that he does because someone else did it for him when he was younger, showed that particular type of love.
SPEAKER_02So I'm not I'm just gonna say it's who Carl is because we didn't see Zach do none of that last season. But, anyways, it's cute. And then when he they did the recoupling, he had the best speech when he said, This girl got me booted out the villa, and revenge is sweet, but this girl is sweeter, like, oh anywho, they're together, and the people that end up going home
Recouplin, Eliminations, & Predictions
SPEAKER_02is Amara and Gal, which is funny because Gal thought he was about to have a big night and get to choose between Jen and Amora, and Amora got her karma because she went ahead and told Gal, like, oh, Jen been talking about you in the dressing room. Why would you say that? Knowing you don't even like Gal your damn self just to stay in the villa.
SPEAKER_01He was gonna pick you regardless. You know how to do all that. Right. You know what? We just did that big one for Jen. They was like, you know what? Let's while we at it, let's do a clean sweep. And they and they knew they were gonna get picked. Imagine sitting there and sending somebody home, and then you go home right after them. Jen literally said at the fire pit, see y'all at the airport.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she said, I'm happy that that two more people, or excuse me, two more couples are coming with me. And I think she knew it was gonna be Amora and Gall, but she didn't know. She thought it was gonna be Parmida and Caleb that she said on After Sun that we're gonna be sent. And she said the same thing that Kenzie said, which was every conversation they have, uh Corbin is describing her off of lust and not from like her personality. And Johnny even said that she's smart, she's funny, like talk about those things. But her Casa girls, Jaden and Namura, was like, oh, they're they do have a deep connection, blah blah blah. So whatever. I think I saw some people say they were gonna vote for Caleb and not Caleb, Jesus, Corbin and Parmita. So we'll see who is in the bottom. Who do you think is gonna be the bottom of this uh America's vote?
SPEAKER_01Sincere and Melanie and Kenzie and um that boy. Yeah, uh, because I'm really trying to think of all the couples, and uh some people might just keep Melanie just to keep her around, just to see the after effect for um Sincere. But if they first of all, I I swear to you, Melanie was a a nice caramel-colored girl in Fiji. When when they're in Fiji, they start to get a tan. You can literally see it on everybody that they start to get tan. Her color has been turned to pale. That boy is training her, like taking all her colors and her brightness away from her. She used to be looking big. She lost weight too. It's that and the food. They don't eat on that show. They say the food is nasty. So they gotta, you know, imagine a man stressing you out and the food is nasty on top of it. Yeah. I would have lost 20 pounds as well on Love Island. That's crazy. Melanie, what what may happen is that they I don't know, because I feel as though I want them, they're gonna put the two couples down at the bottom and then the islanders pick which one, which couple is and it's between two evils, sincere or Kenzie. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I think it's gonna be Parmita and Corbin and um Kenzie and Dylan. I think everybody knows Kenzie and Dylan are gonna be the bottom because a lot of people don't like Kenzie. And then Dylan is weird too. So people are like, hmm, I think it's gonna be all. I think people are a little harsh on Kenzie. I don't think the sincere comparisons are the same at all. But that's just me. I do think she was dead ass wrong in the call trying to pull and thing.
SPEAKER_01I'm trying to pull up the Love Island app to see who our couples are. Yes, we have Carl and Carla Nia, Keda and Zach, Kenzie Dylan, Melanie and Sincere, Permita and Corbin, Tierra and Casey, and then we have Bryce and Trinity. I honestly do think maybe you are right, Permita and Corbin would be down the bottom. But Permita really, you know, said to Melanie, you deserve better girls. So the people might just keep her around for that. They would be like, oh, she do got a brain.
SPEAKER_02They might. It's it's up in the air who the second one's gonna be, but I feel like they're gonna end up sending Kenzie home, even if Sincere's at the bottom, but then the next vote, like, he's not making it top four. They're not gonna vote for that because there's a lot of people that we know the only guaranteed people that are in top four to me is Trinity and Bryce. And it depends on Anaya's fan base whether or not she's gonna make it in there. Casey has his own defenders and stuff, KC and TT. So I think they might be in top four as well. Um, but I don't think Melanie and Cecil are gonna make it top four. Is it's ridiculous, it gets to a point where it's like you gotta let it go. They're terrible for each other. And I if not, I'm actually hoping she self-eliminates Melanie because it's just like this is kind of torturous for you. And you're gonna watch everybody else have these sweet like letters if you were to make it in top four and these beautiful moments, knowing that you and him are not gonna be okay after this. Like it's gonna, I mean, neither is half the other couples, but that's for a different conversation. But yeah, I just feel like she either should self-eliminate if they try to take her all the way to the fourth, or hopefully they just let her go.
SPEAKER_01I really hope she don't do that. Dumb crap. I'm over here trying to like look at the apps and the people and all their couplings and all that other stuff. And Kendi, my gosh, she's the only girl, only person on that island that has episode one coupled up with Zach, episode five, Corbin, episode nine, Caleb, episode 13, Corbin, and episode 21, Dylan. That's yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, some of her stuff just didn't work out, and then so that's what I'm saying. It's not really the same to me as comparable, as sincere, um, with how he's moving. Yeah, because with Corbin, if he didn't say that, I feel like she would have been a little bit more closed off in Cal Casa. I think she still would have explored, but she wouldn't have been like, oh fuck Corbin. It was the fact that he said what he said and it was live streams because they they literally wanted these girls to explore, otherwise, they wouldn't have done that. So yeah, I mean she's apologize to Jen. Hopefully she don't move like that outside the villa, otherwise, Jen would drop her immediately.
SPEAKER_01I told you, is Kenzie saying I love you to Jen twice on two separate occasions, and Jen didn't say it back to you.
SPEAKER_04My girl, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, Jen said she's ready to still be her friend outside, so we'll see. We'll see how it goes.
SPEAKER_01They'll probably just be friendly and not be like super cold of what's Shorty's name, Bel Dasha and Iris, where Bel Dasha just like well now they're no longer friends, but yes.
SPEAKER_02We'll see if they have a beyond the villa for this these people. I don't know. They will. I don't know who's gonna join it. I don't think the the top people are gonna join it, but we'll see.
SPEAKER_01We've got to speak all the people who didn't get enough screen time, Caleb being one of them, they're gonna be out there. I'm not gonna be watching that. People say they don't like Beyond the Villa and they watch it all the time. I like I didn't finish season one though because it got boring. Season two, I watched Season two.
SPEAKER_02I did watch the whole thing because there was like a Peppy and Iris thing. It depends on who is on it. Like if Trinity and Bryce and stuff is on it, then I'll watch it. I want to see like where their relationship is. If Carl's on there, I'm watching it. I don't give a fuck who else is on it. I'm gonna watch it if Carl's on there. But um, yeah. He's not gonna be out there. If he is, I'm gonna watch it. That's that's how they're gonna get me. Bianca, you want me to watch it? Get Carl on there. But no, I'm I'm excited to see how we progress on this last week. And this is I think we pretty much cover everything. We can wrap up this review. I think we did a good job.
Final thoughts
SPEAKER_02It's not our normal, but there was just so much to talk about that it was hard to like keep bouncing around from episode to episode. So I think we covered everything pretty well. So thank you for joining me, Tony. And we are almost done. We only have one more of these to go through, which is crazy. Summer is progressing.
SPEAKER_01Yes, a hectic week, and I really did, I really did enjoy this week though. I had like a lot of tears. I had uh, I was crying with Melanie and when she was sleeping. You know what? I do want to point out, Melanie, that owl was over there swarming above you for wisdom. Please listen to the owl. Amen. Leave that man. It was a good that it was a good, it was a decent week. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02So I agree, and we'll see how it finishes out. It's probably not gonna be any more real drama this next week, it's just gonna be everybody settling in and being in love. So we will wrap up our entire review next week. So make sure to tune in, guys. Thanks again, Tony, for joining me. Follow her at I Am Sunny Gray on TikTok and then us on your POV pod. Thanks, you guys. We'll see you next week. Bye.