The Best and Worst of Aussie Motoring with Trent Nikolic

We sit down with motoring journalist and Drive Editor Trent Nikolic to dive into the highs and lows of Aussie cars from the 70s and 80s. Trent shares his take on the best and worst vehicles of the era, his thoughts on what’s trending in the motoring world today, and much more.

From Australia’s early days of car manufacturing to iconic events like the RedeX Trials and the legendary Bathurst 1000, we explore the stories behind the classic rides that captured our hearts—and the infamous "lemons" that left us scratching our heads.

Whether it’s the Holden Sandman, the Valiant Safari, the Nissan Reebok, or the Ford Cobra, Trent offers expert insights into the hits and misses of Australian motoring history.

Transcript

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If you're old enough to remember when phones had cords and the only thing that went viral was a cold, then you're in the right place. Welcome to the Big Six-O with Kaylee Harris and Guy Rowlison. Because who better to discuss life's second act than two people who still think mature is a type of cheese?

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Well, welcome to the Big 6.0 podcast. And if you haven't listened in before, my name's Kayleigh Harris and my co-host is my primary school friend from Epping West Primary, Vice Captain Guy Rowlison, welcome. What an introduction. That's the best introduction I think I've ever had. Now we've been asking our followers if they want us to dig deep into any element of our childhood or theirs. And we got some feedback from a couple of guys, Eddie and Frank, said they would love us to talk about cars of that era. So...

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The subject matter expert in this area and my go-to when it comes to anything on wheels is the managing editor of Drive, Trent Nicolich. Welcome. Hey guys, thank you for having me. Thank you so much for coming on. This is, we've got so much ground to cover. How long have we got for this podcast? Well in your case, as long as you like. Could be dangerous. Look, it's hard, it's hard to know where to start, you know, with cars over two or three decades, so many come to mind. So I thought we'd start by talking about

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just briefly the Australian car manufacturing industry in general. In the sixties it was thriving, right? It was, it was going really well. Yeah, absolutely. And it's really interesting because Australians think about Ford, Holden and Chrysler obviously, but there were other manufacturers in Australia assembling cars in what they call complete knockdown form. So you had British motoring, BMC, they were doing it in Sydney. You had

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Volkswagen doing it in various places around Australia. So they would import cars in parts and assemble them in Australia. You had Toyota manufacturing here as well. Later on, you had Mitsubishi manufacturing where the Chrysler plant was. And then in addition to that, other things that were Australian only, like the Gogger Mobile or the Lightburn, which I think was Australian as well. But there was a lot going on starting in the 1960s. And you're right, Australia back then. And it's interesting, because I talked to my father about this a lot

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My dad, both my uncles, my grandparents, they were tradespeople, right? So they worked in the trades and they'll tell you that in the sixties in Australia, we used to be able to build absolutely anything and cars were just one of those things. As a nation, we tend to always lean back at that period and say, yeah, there was Ford, there was Holden, there was Chrysler slash Valiant. Yep. We don't really, 2020 vision doesn't really look back that far as to all the

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the British makes, whether it was the Mini Coopers, whether it was all that sort of thing, right? Yeah, absolutely right, Guy. As I said, we were assembling cars that were sent here effectively in kit form as well. The Australian Volkswagen story is quite interesting because as part of the trade deal and the way that it worked, there had to be a certain percentage of the car that was either Australian manufactured or featured Australian parts. So when you find one of these old Volkswagens that was assembled in Australia,

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some cool little details you find, like there's little kangaroo stamps on the fuel cap and things like that to identify it as one of the Australian ones. Some of them had unique specific things. And then something like the Volkswagen Country Buggy was effectively an Australian design originally intended only for Australia made in super low volume. So what we had then in that period, and again, this is from talking to my father and my grandparents about it, was we had...

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the ability to say, let's just make this, let's do it. Let's find a way to make it. Let's find a solution for it. And we had the know-how and the engineering now as to do that. I saw a stat that one in two cars sold in Australia in the sixties was a hold it. It was big business. It's nuts, isn't it? I think one of the great things, there's lots of evil things about social media as you guys would know, but one of the great things I've noticed lately is, there's pages you can follow that put up

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photographs from certain eras. So, you know, it might be Sydney in the 1960s or Sydney in the 1970s. And just recently I saw a photo leading up to the Coca-Cola sign in King's Cross in Sydney, looking back towards the city. And then another one looking down Parramatta Road west around the Lycart area. And they were taken in the 70s. And I'll tell you what, you had to look hard to find a car on the road that wasn't Australian.

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And this is going back like you talking to your parents and grandparents. I remember dad used to always talk about the Red X trials. Well, yeah. Yeah. And, and, and to a lesser extent, I guess, like the Bathurst 500 or back in the day, I think it was called the Armstrong 500. That's right. Yep. Were they essentially reliability trials and dealers could almost bank on a phone call on Monday to saying, Hey, look, we want that car. Yeah, absolutely. That's what they were. There was.

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the London to Sydney marathon as well. The Red X trial was a really big one as well. And the Red X trial was so interesting because it was such a torture test. And they did things to cars that you and I would never do to a car, certainly back then. And you're right, that whole perception, it gets thrown around a lot, this particular concept, but the race on Sunday or win on Sunday and sell on Monday.

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In the 60s and 70s and into the 1980s, it absolutely was a thing. I mean, you were rusted on Ford or Holden for argument's sake and then to a lesser extent Chrysler. But you know, if Holden won at Bathurst or won the Red X trial, you would see a spike in their sales in the following months. Ten seconds to go indicates the official starter. Australia national flag goes up at five seconds to go. And when that drops, all hell's let loose for about six and three quarter hours. Down it goes.

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Talking about Holden, it reminds me as a kid of growing up when the Holdens, I think we had an HR growing up and Dad had packed the kids at three o'clock in the morning onto the bench seat, no seat belts and we'd drive to Queensland for our holidays. A few years later in the 80s I was working for a classic hits formatted radio station and I don't know where they got it from but they had this FJ with three on the tree, drum breaks, everything and it was all logoed out with the radio station's logos all over it and I had to take it out one day to give out stickers or something.

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And I was going down spit hill and the brakes failed. And I'll never feel, I was by myself and I'm thinking, luckily I could, I could drive it, but I managed to sort of slow it down through the gears and get it down the bottom, one of the most terrifying experiences of my life, which, which brings me to, you know, safety features or lack thereof of cars back then. Yeah. I remember I was joking about this with my sister a couple of months ago. My father bought, it would have been.

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mid to late 80s, I reckon, my father bought a Ford Econovan, which was actually a work van, like today's HiAce, right? And it had no seats in the back. And he bolted big pieces of timber through the floor, and then went to a wrecker and got two seats out of a wrecked Mini and bolted them into the timber. And my sister and I used to sit in the back. That's how we drove around. Surely it wasn't legal then, but it probably wasn't illegal either. But yeah, you're right.

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Kayleigh, as you know, I spend all my time test driving new cars and we, the list of standard equipment in regards to safety that we expect in a new car is, you know, many, many pages long. Whereas if you go back to the mid 80s even, it was effectively they had brakes and that was about it and seat belts, I guess that was it. So you look at some of those Australian cars and I don't know whether the car companies

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had shares in Aloe Vera plants because those vinyl seats would just take the skin off the back of your legs. But we had some absolute cracking names for cars as well, didn't we? Whether it was the Sandman or what are, what were some of the more weird sort of names that we sort of come up with? Well, look, there were heaps of them. Yeah, Sandman was one. There was Holden Tarana Sunbird. I don't know if you remember that.

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There was, you know, they used to name them after the race car drivers. So there was a Falcon that was a John Goss special. The Falcon Cobra was another one as well. Sometimes they would, you know, kind of steal names from America. Like, you know, the Valiant Charger effectively was a Dodge Charger. The name was a Dodge Charger from the US and we called it a Valiant Charger here. Names like Sportsman or Safari for a wagon. All these sorts of...

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interesting names. The other thing they used to do in the 60s and 70s, which was fantastic, was the names they'd give the colors of the cars as well. You know, like if you look through, probably the best example of it was Chrysler. They had some amazing names, like they had a pink color that was called Panther Pink, obviously because of the pink panther. But if you look through their nowadays, it's like, you know, sky blue and Arctic white. But

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They actually used to give them the colors really interesting names. And I think, you know, it's really interesting. I think psychologically, if you look at the sixties and seventies, they were, you speak to people who grew up through that period, who are older than me. Cause I was born in the late seventies, but people will tell you that it was a really fun and optimistic and interesting time in Australia. And I think everything that we did reflected that, whether it was the name of the car or, or even the type of car, I think reflected it. Yeah. But also the ads.

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for the cars were really reflective of the time. I've got one here, let's have a listen. We love football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holt and Cuzz. Football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holt and Cuzz. That's football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holt and Cuzz. Football and meat pies, kangaroos and...

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Right, yeah, see what I mean? It's just that it just really talked about when you when you were selling a car to people, you were selling a lifestyle. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you guys had remembered the valiant charger one that if you didn't drive a charger, you weren't a real man. And if you did drive a charger, the women just went weak at the knees when you drove down the street. Like you couldn't you couldn't even you couldn't even get away with the idea of an ad like that in 2024. You know what I mean?

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Let's come forward now with that in mind, with the charger in mind, to the 70s and the golden era of the muscle car. Yep. So my question is, what is a muscle car? Like we know, we all know what they look like and we can rattle them off. But did they need to meet a specific criteria to be given that title? It was kind of an unspoken thing, Kayleigh. So what happened when the Mustang was released in the US, that started what they called in America the pony car era. For some reason they came up with that.

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because it was called a Mustang, I suppose. And then you had Camaro from Chevy, and then also Chrysler got involved. But the muscle car thing was a little bit different in that the concept of it in Australia was what would otherwise be a fairly average, I guess, generally a sedan, sometimes a two-door, but more in Australia, generally a four-door sedan, average sort of family transportation, but with a stupid big V8 motor in it. And then later,

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a stupid big powerful six cylinder motor as well didn't always have to be a V8 although that was the more common way. Set up to go racing and then because as was the way back in those days to go racing you had to homologate a number of them for sale so you kind of had to let people loose in these crazy race cars on the street in order to then use them to go racing and you ended up with cars like you know the phase one two and three falcons that we know and the SLR 5000s, Aranas and XU1.

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Tiranas and then the Chargers as well. So I think muscle car was sort of like an otherwise unassuming four-door sedan that families might use with just really off the chart running gear that was designed to make it go fast on a race track. Those big bangers, Trent, how did the oil crisis have an effect on those sort of cars? Did, or did it? No, I think it definitely did because all of a sudden, you know, in Australia you had

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Petrol was probably 20 cents a gallon or something, which is like, you know, the equivalent of four cents a liter or something is ridiculous, right, back then. And then you went from people saying, well, who cares how much fuel my car uses, because it cost me nothing to fill it up, to then not actually being able to get fuel. So I think that period absolutely coincided with more Australians buying smaller Japanese vehicles that were a little bit more fuel efficient.

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But then also the other one was the big supercar scare. I mean, your listeners who know this period will remember the front page of, I think it was the Herald in Sydney or the Herald Sun, I can't remember. They'd used a photo that I think went into Wheels magazine of a car doing a hundred and something mile an hour down the Hume Highway. And it was a phase three GT-HO Falcon. And the headline was something like 200 mile an hour supercars. And the government basically said at the time, this is unacceptable that we're selling these cars to Australians.

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And that's where it came to a shuddering halt. And that's where the idea of selling these really powerful performance cars to the average Aussies just came to a stop. But funnily enough, everybody still went racing. The manufacturers still found ways of selling pretty fast cars and it sort of continued on a pace. But there was this fear that we were going to see Australians driving these monumentally fast cars down the road, even though they weren't manufactured.

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in huge numbers, but certainly to your original point, I think the fact that petrol started to cost so much money absolutely made a difference and that it wasn't available. In your mind, what is the most iconic Australia... Yeah, that's such a tough one, Kayleigh. I've thought about this a lot, right, because I think really the Chrysler fans are going to hate me saying this and I've owned Valiance over the years, so I'm not immune to their charms. But let's put Chrysler to one side.

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Ford and Holden. And the reason I say it's so difficult is that the Falcon was essentially marketed as Australia's car, but Holden would argue that it was here first. Obviously it was with the 48215, the FX Holden in 1948. But then that's talking about manufacturers, right? That's Ford versus Holden. But I think if you've got to pick the car that came to

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more than any other, it's Falcon versus Commodore, I think. And I think certainly at the late point in their life before they stopped manufacturing, the Commodore had gone to a level of success that the Falcon hadn't climbed to. And again, you can't win this debate because if you're speaking to a Ford fan, they're gonna say you're an idiot, you don't know what you're talking about, it's Ford. And same if you're talking to a Holden. But I think, based on sales figures and popularity through the whole period.

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maybe Commodore Just. I'll preempt you with something. Yes. A kid I drove on, it was a 1982, this was dad's car, a 1982 Chrysler Regal. Okay. Yeah. He said if you can drive this son, you can drive anything. This is before I bought my first car. And of course I was lumbered with a nickname for about six months because I'd driven the grandpa car. First cars.

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Back in the day, I don't know about you, Kayleigh. I can't remember if you remember your first car. After I blew up dad's Holden Premier, blew up a piston going a little bit too fast. It wasn't me, dad. It was a Daihatsu Charade, a three cylinder car. And it was manual. And at the time I couldn't drive a manual. So dad had to drive it home for me. And then I spent the entire weekend going up and down the street because I had to take it to work on Monday. And that was my first car. What about you, Guy? Well, I had...

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the brown B with the white vinyl roof. Oh, I see. And the big mags and the Voxon 7-band graphic equaliser and certainly more impressive than the Chrysler Rugal. Yeah, well, look, I was really lucky with my first car because obviously I came from a car mad family. My mum loves cars like you do, Kaylie. And funnily enough, your son is car mad. Well, both your sons are car mad. Wonder where they got that from. Wonder they got that, yeah. Yeah, exactly. My mum's car mad. My dad had...

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restored and modified cars since he was a kid. So I'd always been into cars. So I got my full license in 93. I was in year 12 at school at the time. And I think I had some arrangement with my dad that if I'd saved up a couple of grand, he'd put a couple of grand in and help out. And I was doing some final prep for one of my HSC exams to go to school to do my exam. And I looked out the window and a 1964 EH Holden drove up the driveway and I looked in the windscreen and I thought,

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That's my dad driving. Why is he driving that? And then he came in and gave me the keys and said, you can drive your own car to your exam, son. And so, yeah, he'd found me an EH Holden. And, you know, for me, you talk about iconic cars, that's an iconic Holden, right? At the time, fastest selling Holden of all time. I think they sold a quarter of a million of them or two hundred and thirty thousand, something like that. Very popular car. Went on to be very iconic as well. And, yeah, I was just really lucky. You'd said three on the tree manual before. Mine was, Kayleigh.

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And mine was kind of weird because mine was a premier, which was actually an automatic, if you ordered it that way, but you could order it with a manual. So the automatic was standard because it was the luxury model, but mine came with a manual, which we verified with the factory, which made it quite rare. But yeah, even then, like that was a 30 year old car when I had it as my first car. And all my friends at high school were driving little Hondas and Toyotas and stuff. And I was driving what looked like a vintage.

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Model T to them, I guess. They probably thought, what's this idiot doing driving this car around? But you, you, it just sort of. It imprints you, doesn't it? And you always look back on it fondly. Dad had an E H Trent. So he was a rusted on sort of holding guy reluctantly sort of jumped the fence a few years later. You talk about those older cars. If you're able to take a car back from today and show someone from the

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an example of this is cutting edge technology. What would you take back? What sort of accessories or whatever would you show them and say, hey, this is what's going to happen in 2024? Yeah, isn't that an interesting question? It's such a good question, too, because you buy some like if you look at Kia as a brand, which is one of the top three, I think, in Australia at the moment overall, or certainly in the top five, a Kia Picanto, which is their most affordable car.

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has technology in it now at $22,000 that you used to only get in a $250,000 Mercedes-Benz S-Class. Like this car has got an interactive driver display, touchscreen, Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, anti-lock brakes, blind spot monitoring, all this stuff that's standard, disc brakes and fuel injection and all of these things that weren't even dream.

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dreamt of then. So you really could take any modern car, but I guess if you wanted to really showcase it, you'd go to the ultra high end, you'd go to something like a Bentley or a Rolls Royce and you'd just give it to someone in 1965 and say, in 60 years, this is believe it or not, this is what it's going to look like. Okay, let's get to the lemon list. What are your, what are your top three worst cars that you think have ever, and they don't have to be Australian.

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made cars like top three worst cars we've ever had here. And can I just kick off by saying, God, we had a Camira. It was a piece of... Yeah, I think Camira's gotta be on the list. It's interesting, cause when we were speaking about this off air, you know, Leyland P76 invariably comes up, but I don't necessarily think that was such a bad car. I just think it was a...

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It was, I've never driven one. I've looked at a couple up close. I've never driven one. I just think it was probably a car that Australians weren't ready for at the time that it was released. Styling was a bit wonky and they didn't really like it there. Look, there's been a few, I think Subaru had a car in the, in the late eighties or early nineties called the Vortex, which was a pretty horrible looking car. I think Camira's probably got to be there. Um, it's funny. We've tossed these all around, right? Like

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was the Toyota Lexan, which was actually a Holden Commodore, the least reliable Toyota of all time, because it wasn't actually a Toyota and it was actually a Holden. That's a pretty, that's one. That any Commodore that had a four cylinder motor, Mazda, there was, sorry, Holden and Mazda collaborated and built a thing called a Mazda Road Pacer, which is a ginormous Holden Premier with a silly little Mazda rotary engine in it. That was pretty horrible. So yeah, and again, like there's a couple on the list that

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You know, Gemini diesel, yeah, a bit stupid. Why did we have a diesel in such a small car back then? I, if I had to have a top three, I've got Subaru Vortex in there. I think I've got Holden Camira in there and let's go four cylinder commodal. Let's throw that in there as well. There you go. I'm glad the 180B and the, what was, what do you have, Kaylie? 120R, probably. Oh, charade. Yeah. See, I'm glad they didn't make it. They stayed out, mate. No, they stayed out.

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You mentioned novelty cars and you know the Walkin' Shores and the John Players specials, all those sort of things and those wedge shapes, the Vortex. I remember something with the Leyland P76, there was a whole marketing campaign about being able to fit a 44 gallon drum in the boot. I also remember there was was it the Nissan Reebok and and the Gemini Six Birds 13 legs. Nissan Polestar Reebok, yeah yeah absolutely yes. Well as far as you're concerned when it comes to marketing that's sort of like

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bottom of the birdcage, like you're not selling the car on its ability, are you telling it on a decal on the side or are there any that comes to mind that you would say, jeez, you know? Yeah, I hate that stuff. We try to remember them all the time. The Nissan Pulsar Reebok was a good one. I think Ken Doane did something with a Berina once. Oh, kidding me. Yeah, there was a Berina sports girl as well back in the day. Yeah, John Player Special, as you said. You know, there's a lot of collaboration now. Like I got an email this morning.

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which just made my heart sink that Lamborghini's done some collaboration with Balenciaga, that ultra high-end and I think incredibly ugly fashion brand that makes those foul looking sneakers. But yeah, I look at that stuff and I just think Fiat did one with Gucci as well. It's like, just build me a good car. Like don't put a stupid sticker pack on it. Just build me a good car and I'll buy it because it's a good car, not because of the silly collaboration you've come up with.

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Can I kick off the worst names for cars? I'm going with the Nissan Cedric. The Cedric's up there, isn't it? Yeah, and I think we did have those cars in Australia in the 60s. Yeah, that's pretty good, yeah. What's yours, Trent? Oh, gee, you've put me on the spot. The Nissan Silvia, it sounds like my grandma. Yeah, Silvia, and funnily enough, Silvia goes back to the 60s as well. A lot of people think the Silvia's a modern one.

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Datsun had the fair lady, which was a bit silly as well. Yes. Yeah, that was pretty bad. I think some of the names that Holden came up with, like Senator and Statesman were a little bit silly as well in that particular period, but silliest name, good question. Let me have a think about it. Throw another one at me, throw another one at me and then I'll have a think about it. When you think about it, I'm going back to your Vortex sort of reference as well, I'm thinking. Yep.

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Is that because it's going down the plug hole, that vortex of a car? I don't know. I will ask you about classic sale. With the proliferation of EVs and hybrids, and I think one car manufacturer particularly is not necessarily employing apprentice mechanics because they, you know, for the lifespan of their models, they probably don't need them. So

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When it comes to your classics, whether it's your 20s, 30s, up to your 50s classics, with fuel companies probably having to increase fuel prices to maintain their revenue, governments having to keep revenue levels up, mechanics not necessarily being on hand in the future, not tomorrow, but 10, 20, 30 years, are those classics likely to be a rich man's game or are they likely just the bottom's gonna fall out of the value of those?

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Yeah, there's so much to unpack there. And just before you I answer that, let me give you a dumb name. The SsangYong Stavik. S-T-A-V-I-C. That's stupid. And because my surname ends in itch, I demand that people refer to it as a Stavich, even though it's not. But that's a stupid name. So yeah, put that one on the top of the list. The classic car thing for me is really, really interesting. I was talking to a guy the other day, and he would have been in his early 80s, and he...

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owned a car for years and years and years that was from the 1930s. And he said, how do I have sold this car in the 60s or 70s when it was 30 or 40 years old, it was worth 300 and something thousand dollars. But now that it's a hundred years old, give or take, which is pretty scary because we're coming up on 2030, he said, it's not worth anything. It's worth 30 or $40,000 because to the people.

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who are of the age that they're buying classic cars, it's a vintage car. It's like us talking about a Model T Ford that's a hundred years old. So it's really quite intriguing. I think there will always be cars that just stand above, whether they're classic Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Porsches, Mercedes-Benz, those kinds of cars that have global appeal, things like Shelby Cobras and those old race cars that are gonna always be worth a lot of money.

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I think in Australia, collectible Falcons and Commodores, I think will always have a following because that's passed down generationally. But I'll tell you one thing that we talk about a lot, Guy, you know, I'll often roll along to a Cars and Coffee in one of my silly old cars with a couple of mates. And I say to them, I don't think in 20 or 30 years time we'll be walking around a car park full of electric vehicles at seven o'clock on a Sunday morning going, how good's this? I just...

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I just can't see it. I really believe as good as electric cars are, as competent as they are, I think people approach them as a purchase the way you would an appliance like a dishwasher or a washing machine or a fridge. Does it do what it says it's going to do? What does it cost? How can I get it? And then you buy it and you use it for that purpose. Whereas, you know, the three of us and most of the people listening to this podcast,

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you buy a car for much deeper reasons than that and then you've got a much deeper emotional connection to it. I'm going to wrap this up with one final question for you Trent. What one car you that you can't believe is so popular and I'm talking about now let's let's bring it back to the 2024 or the last couple of years. What's one car that's super popular and you just can't believe it's that popular because it's a load of crap? I I

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You're putting me on the spot here. I'm, if you hear that I've been fired after answering this question, you'll know why. Look, I can't believe. And, and I, I say this all the time and it's not so much because the cars are a load of crap, but it's because ultimately when you drill down, they're not actually very good in inverted commas. They're not brilliant at anything. I cannot believe the number of Australians who buy a dual cap. And I'm talking about Ranger and Hilux and Navara and Triton and all of those

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and not for the life of me understand why so many Australians buy them. Because when you really drill down into it, they're expensive. They don't have the level of interior refinement and comfort that a regular car or even an SUV would have at that price point. They're quite plasticky on the inside and they're not sort of luxuriously put together. They drive like a truck with a few exceptions.

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they actually drive like a truck, which is effectively what they are. We call them mutes, but they're trucks. They're a truck chassis with a body perched on top of it. They're not particularly fuel efficient. They're not engaging to drive because they drive like a truck. Like if you get out of one of those and into a station wagon or a sedan, the car will feel like a race car to you. And the majority of Australians who buy them don't use them for the purpose that they're intended for. They don't tow with them, they don't go off road, and they don't put anything more than a...

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gym bag or they're shopping in the tray. So I look at it and I think there are so many other choices out there that you could have made but you went and bought a dual cab and I just don't get why we buy so many of them in Australia. Trent, in the words of probably Meatloaf, I'm all revved up with no place to go. That makes two of us. I don't know about you, I'm probably not going to go and buy that Leyland Marina or what was the Toyota Lexan or the Nissan Cedric. But Trent, look,

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Appreciate your insights and thanks for coming on The Big 6O. Real privilege to talk to you guys. Thank you. The views and opinions expressed on The Big 6O are personal and reflect those of the hosts and guests. They do not represent the views or positions of any affiliated organizations or companies. This podcast is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be construed as professional advice. Please consult with a qualified professional for guidance on any personal matters.

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And before we go, let's give credit where credit is due. Kaylee Harris and I came up with all the genius content for this week's episode. Our producer, Nick Aboud, well he keeps the lights on and makes sure we don't accidentally upload a cat video instead of a podcast. So thanks for keeping us on track Nick. Nick?