Murray Wilton on Radio, Agriculture & Australia’s Biggest Show

In this episode, we chat with radio personality and General Manager of Agriculture for the Sydney Royal Easter Show, Murray Wilton. 

He shares stories from his broadcasting career, his passion for agriculture, and the behind-the-scenes magic of one of Australia’s biggest events. 

With a mix of history, humour, and insight, Murray reveals what it takes to keep this beloved tradition thriving year after year.

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This episode of The Big Six-O brought to you by Louis Carr Real Estate, helping people in the Hills District find their dream home since 1992. Ready to buy, sell or rent? Check out louiscarr.com.au for all your property needs. If you're old enough to remember when phones had cords and the only thing that went viral was a cold, then you're in the right place. Welcome to The Big Six-O with Kayleigh Harris and Guy Rawlison.

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Because who better to discuss life's second act than two people who still think mature is a type of cheese? ["The Big Bang"]

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Welcome to The Big 6.0 and if you're joining us for the first time I'm Guy Rowlison and alongside me is my old schoolmate and co-host with not only a few less K's on the clock but her duco definitely looks a whole lot better than mine, the always fabulous Kayleigh Harris. Oh my gosh, what a lead in. Thank you, Guy. How's your week been?

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Yeah, not too bad. I finally went and bit the bullet and had nasal surgery about a week ago. So I'm feeling a little bit off work still and I'm still feeling a little bit tender but I'm fine. I'm good, thank you. I'm going well. I know you went away fishing with the boys last weekend. Oh yeah, yeah. Three days of fishing. Didn't catch a lot but... Lots of tea, cups of tea? Yeah, look, brewed tea. A few stories but it's good for the soul. A few JDs.

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Yeah, yeah, a few J.D.'s. You know, just a spoonful in with your coffee. It's always, you know, it's good for the soul. Really good for the soul. Hey, listen, I've got a question for you. Have you ever spent any real time in the bush? And I don't mean a weekend away glamping in a cheese platter. I'm talking proper rural Australia. Well, look, probably the closest I've come to it is, in my younger years, I did a lot of horse riding down in the snowy mountains.

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and we would go out, a bunch of us, with about 10 horses, and we'd go up to the high country and ride for a week to two weeks, and we would camp, it certainly wasn't glamping, believe me, and be out there in the high country, which was just extraordinary. So that's probably the closest my sort of outdoor life came to. I haven't done any recently though, no. Yeah, on the flip side, I'm guessing you probably, along with a lot of listeners, have definitely experienced the sights and the sounds and...

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Those incredible displays of agriculture and food and entertainment and the magic of the Sydney Royal Easter Show though, right? I love it. I'm like a kid. Every year with the show bags, I've got to have like five on each arm. I have to go home. I'm not happy unless I've got five on each arm. And then I go home. Have you got a booty beetle? Well, I've got, oh, you've got to have a booty beetle. I've got to have a booty beetle. Without saying. Yeah. And I come home and then I empty the contents of all the bags onto the floor and then I'm looking at my spoils.

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like a child. I just love it so much. I know. It really is a case of the old city mouse, country mouse. And our next guest practically lives and breathes both. He's a bloke that's just as comfortable in a pair of R.R.E.Ms, whether it's at a cattle or sheep show, as he is behind the microphone in the city. He's spent years engaging everyone from just your garden variety radio listener to celebrities. And these days, for those who may not be aware, he's also a general manager of

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agriculture and the Sydney Royal Easter Show for the Royal Agricultural Society of New South Wales, if I've got that right. So in between his passion for agriculture and his long running career in media and of course probably starting to wonder what 60 looks like, which probably isn't too far in the distant future. Big welcome to the big 6A, Murray Wilton. You are doing so well, Tilly. How are you, mate? I'm very well. We're at the pointy end.

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of that wonderful event called the Sydney Royal Easter Show. Where, you know, we're only weeks and weeks and weeks away and it's a very busy time for us, but also a very exciting time for us as well. Yeah, cause you've been involved with the RIS and the Sydney Royal Easter Show for quite a while now for people that may not know, but let's rewind a bit if we can and let's back up. What was Murray Wilton like as a kid? Were you the class clown or the troublemaker or you were the one quietly pulling the strings in the background?

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Tell me about your growing up and who you were. Oh man alive. I think, you know, my mum often recalls, you know, some of my school reports and I've still got them and they said that if Murray could complete his school exams verbally and not in the written word, he'd get 100%. Look, I wasn't a Rhodes Scholar. I probably didn't apply myself to school as much as I should have. I was far too much involved in all the extracurricular activities.

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And that was everything from footy right through to band and drama and photography. I throw myself into all of that. But look, was I a bit of a trouble maker? I don't know if I was a trouble maker. I was probably a little bit conservative, but I used to like to push the envelope. I certainly got caned probably a dozen times over my six years in high school. So visiting the headmaster's office, I knew that route almost blindfolded.

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But it was always for silly things. But look, I got really fond memories of being at school and being at high school and I think it's one of those things I've always tried to tell my boys now, even though they're out of school now. These are going to be the best years of your life. You may not realise it now, but you certainly will when you're in your 30s and your 40s. Yeah, it's something that I remember being at school where teachers would say that sort of thing. I don't know that they'd say it after I got given the cane.

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But yeah, it is, it is 100%, isn't it? They're those precious years that you recount with fondness no matter what, really. Yeah, look, and also, you know, I think the friendships that you build up at school. I'm about to go away for a weekend with a mate of mine that I was, you know, we were best mates back in high school. And, you know, I'm talking about back in the 80s. And you reconnect and it's like you've seen him almost every day.

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And you've got this bond and this understanding that just cannot be broken from friendships that you build up at school. Yeah, as Kayleigh mentioned, I've just been away on a weekend with half a dozen mates, and we've known each other since high school. And there's those, that commonality, those shared stories and experiences that, yeah, old blokes, old stories, but they're gold, aren't they? Oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah. And you know, when the stories change every year, they always get better. And sometimes you forget things and you've got to make them up.

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man alive, you know, I look back at my school years and I would go back there tomorrow in a heartbeat, I've got to tell you. Murray, going back to your growing up years, did you grow up in the country? How did this whole RAS thing came about? Because you and I worked together in radio many times and I didn't know much about your life before that. So when the RAS job came along, I thought, oh wow, Murray must have a background in agriculture or know something about sheep or, you know, in its simplest form. Yeah, yeah.

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No, look, didn't grow up on a farm, but my dad's side of the family certainly did. You know, down the south coast in Bombala and down in Dalgety and places like that, and they were sheep producers. Dad was very heavily involved in the wool industry for many, many years when I was a young tacker. And I was introduced to wool and the testing of wool when I was probably five or six. And funnily enough, Dad was with the Wool Corporation.

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and I was a member of the RAS of New South Wales when I was two years of age. Wow. And I would be dragged along to the Easter show when it was at Moor Park. And you know, the wool corporation would have a big display. I was there helping dad in the middle of it all. And then, you know, you'd go to work with dad. And they used to do core testing of wool samples. That's what the actual organization was.

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So I spent a fair bit of time on sheep properties that belonged to the family. And this love of agriculture developed. I studied a little bit of ag when I left school. There was an opportunity at school to do wool classing, which I didn't take up. So that love of the bush was in my system. And I've still got these memories in my head of a little tiny bloke.

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in the basement of wool testing services, jumping up and down on bales of wool and pushing them down into the big bags. And you'd bring wool home. And I think in my old family home, one of the walls that is adjoining between the lounge room and the living room, the entire wall is filled with bags of wool. You know, and it was insulation back in those days. It was fantastic. So look, it's always been there with me. So I've always had this love of the land.

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We bought a property probably about 15 years ago just outside of Goulburn. We kept it for a relatively short period of time. I think as a parent, you've got children on the weekends with sport and everything else and that overtakes your life. We probably didn't get down there as often as we'd like to of being down there, but we certainly had cattle on that property. And then I studied a little bit of ag and I fell in love with it. So when I left high school,

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There was this one side of me that wanted to get into agriculture and there was another side of me that wanted to get into media. And funnily enough the other side of me wanted to join the Navy and learn how to fly, which not a lot of people know about, but anyway, that's another story for another day. So yeah, it took the media around and I loved it and I continued with it and today I'm still doing it. But my fondest memories were when I worked at 2GN in Goulburn.

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I was in regional New South Wales. I was, you know, became very, very friendly with people that owned properties and you'd spend weekends on their properties and I always had a taste for it. So when I was down there, I was absolutely in my happy place. Playing with radio Monday to Friday and hanging out on farms on the weekend. I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. And of course, most people would know you from the radio. Whether it was, you're at 2, C, 2GN, 2UE, 2GB.

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He spent a lot of time in front of the mic. Have you always been just a natural talker or did you actually have to work at it?

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It's interesting, I think somehow it must have just come pretty naturally. I was always a talker at school, always got involved in public speaking competitions, I was involved in debating and I could, you know, I was in also, I remember we used to put on musicals or we would do plays at school in front of audiences. I still remember doing, you know, I played Sir Toby Belch in The Twelfth Man and...

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out of nowhere, I decided I was gonna ad lib. And the audience laughed and I thought, hello, what's going on here? So I kept ad libbing and I got a reaction from the audience and I quite liked it. And so, I mean, I must say after that, I had to stick to the script. But yeah, I've never really been short on a word, but interestingly enough, probably also quite shy and reserved to a degree.

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which I think is probably a good thing. What appeals to you about radio? Oh, wow. Look, for starters, it's immediate. I think what I love about radio is you can, look, even though you're talking to a wide variety of people and you've got a huge audience, you're actually only ever talking to one person at a time.

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And that was very much taught to me by a bloke that is not around anymore. He died many years ago, Owen Delaney, who was my mentor in radio. And Owen said to me, Mars, he said, mate, you're only ever talking to one person at a time. And so when you're looking at when you're talking into that microphone, you just you're chatting to one person. You're not in a stadium addressing 50 or 20,000 people. It's incredibly personable. People trust you. You're invading their space. You're in their home and your company for people.

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It's absolutely immediate. I think the one thing that we take for granted when we work in radio, especially when it's talkback radio, you know, you've got to take it fairly seriously because there's an enormous amount of trust involved and the people that listen to you actually trust you. And you become their friend, you become part of their family and they communicate with you. And I know that we work in radio and we say, well, there's radio broadcasters and there's listeners and there's this separation. I don't believe there's a separation.

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We're all there for the same reason and that's to be entertained and to be looked after. And without an audience I don't have a job and without me having a job they don't have something to listen to. So you've got to respect that and I think it's actually a very, very important job to be honest with you. Yeah and talkback radio can be pretty wild. You must have come across some pretty interesting characters, let alone some unexpected sort of events on and off air.

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Who's some of the more interesting people you've come in touch with and what made them stand out from the crowd? You're talking about listeners or you're talking about people that we work with? It just depends on how much you want to have a job next summer I'm guessing, but I'm happy to go with whatever you're prepared to watch. Look, you know, I think one of the guys that really, there's a lot that stand out in my mind. One of them that stands out in my mind who I had a lot of time for and he was just a wonderful character was Clive Robertson.

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And I worked with Clive for 12 months on weekends. He had an unbelievable brain, super intelligent, it's probably sometimes misunderstood, but deep down he was an absolute softy and he was a real character. And I remember, so this is an example, he and I often caught up for lunch and we both had this fascination with McDonald's. And I remember that Macca's

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was selling an Angus burger. And he thought, oh, well, you know, Angus of property. And, you know, he loved agriculture as well. And he loved regional Australia. And I remember going into this Maccas, and I can't remember where it was. It might have been Rye or somewhere like that. And there was a young guy behind the counter and he ordered an Angus burger. And he said, is it Aberdeen Angus? And the guy said, I'm sorry. He said, is it Aberdeen Angus? He said, it's an Angus burger.

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Anyway, so this conversation and this argument started. Well, you can't call it Angus unless it's Aberdeen Angus and then he went into the history of Aberdeen Angus and it went on and on and on and on and on and I'm standing there going.

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Right, I won't be ordering one of those. I'll just go the fill of the fish. But he was an incredible guy. I mean, you know, worked with people like Brian Willship, Malcolm T. Elliott. I mean, Malcolm is an absolute character. I worked for many, many years for Alan Jones and, you know, had a great association with John Laws as well. Incredible people that worked in radio back in the 80s and the 90s, especially in that talk back era, right? Everybody was very different. Everybody was very independent.

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and you know you have a line up on air, Stan Zemanek you know. I think I was one of the lucky ones that I worked in that era of radio where

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There were some absolute characters and individuals. They all brought different things to a radio station. What you heard at night time was very different to what you heard at breakfast. What you heard in the mornings did not replicate what you heard in the afternoons or in drive. It wasn't a clone after a clone after a clone. You knew what you were gonna get.

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and each of those individuals were remarkable at what they did. Murray, these days you're, I heard, you're a 2GB and you work over the summer period with Murray Oles and I heard the, you sort of, the summer fill in, if you like, for the continuous call team at 2GB who do, normally do the football, but I heard Mark Levy from the continuous call team say the other day on air, he goes, I don't know who fills in for who. He said, I think the continuous call team is actually filling in for the two Murrays and that made me laugh.

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Tell us about how you and Murray became such a great team on air. And as I said earlier, I was lucky enough to produce you for a few summers. And it was such fun working for you both because you just, just so much. It's just so easy. And the way that you are on air in your style together, it's just so you just make it feel so easy. It, it, you know, it's an interesting combination and it happened by fluke. Um,

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Muzz and I had been working together at 2GB back in the 80s, so we knew each other. Muzz was a news director, loves sport, left wing, loves a drink. I can't stand sport, I'm right wing, and I eat too much. And you know, but you know, we knew each other, we respected each other, and we worked together. So we've known each other a long, long time, right?

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Mars was on air at night time. Now, I've got to be honest with you, I can't remember if it was TUE or TGB because we've both been sacked and fired and made redundant from each station about 90 times. I think it was TUE, right? I think it was TUE. Yeah, it would have been actually. It was on the Pacific Highway at St. Leonard, so it was, it was TUE. Mars was doing nights.

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I was looking after promotions for the network. I was also working with Alan Jones and I was filling in for Gary O'Callaghan on the weekends, right, when Gaz wasn't around or they needed a fill in. Not sure what happened, but Muzz was on air and the general manager at the time, and I cannot remember his name for the life of me, wanted to try and spark up nights, wanted to try and give it a bit more zest. He said to the program director,

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And I think at the time it was Michael Hibbard. He said to Michael, have we got another Murray that works here and he works on air? And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, great. He said, put them together and we'll call them the two Murries. So I've turned up on the Monday night and Maz is on air and I've turned up, you know, three hours before the show for pre-production as we always do. And you can just imagine it, can't you? It's like a chest freezing.

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Who's this bloke coming in and invading my program? What are you doing here? I don't need any help. Who told you to turn up? Anyway, so that's how it all started. Anyway, about a week later, it just gelled. I cannot tell you how easy it is to work with him.

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compared to other duos. And I think what program directors do, and they go, gee, that works. We'll put Bill together with Carol. Well, guess what? It doesn't work. Oh, like, oh, that doesn't work. Well, we'll put Heather with Steve. No, that doesn't work either. Working with someone on air, being in sync with them, understanding them, be able to preempt what they're gonna say, what they're gonna talk about, and having that gel, and then I think what we've got for each other.

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which a lot of duos should really take note of, is you've got to respect each other. It's not a competition for airspace, right? We don't take each other very seriously. The way we are on air is a very toned down version of what we're like off air.

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So when we go out for dinner and we've got people with us, I don't know how it starts, but the conversation gets going and he and I just end up bouncing off each other. Yeah, it's an unbelievable relationship, Kayleigh. I don't know, and I've, yeah, we're finished now. Yeah, the continuous call team are filling in for us. Yeah, that's right. I don't know if you've looked at the ratings, but yeah, they're filling in for us. Yeah. But we...

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We turn up, we don't talk about what we're doing on the program. We line up our guests. I know, that used to frustrate me so much as a...

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I mean, vertical commas, the producer, like, okay, right, rub my hands together. What do you guys want me to get this week? You know, what interviews do you want? They got nuts. All done. Well, what about the quiz? Do you want me to write some questions for the quiz? Nuts. All done. No, it's all done. I just might as well just come in five minutes before the show starts. But that's what I mean. It was so easy to work with you. Both of you. It was just a joy to work with you because you you never knew what was going to come out of your mouth next. Well, we just, you know, I think if you preplan it too much, it sounds fine.

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Yeah, agreed. You know, and I don't often want to know what Muz has done during the week or on the week, and I want to talk to him about it on air. You know, and I don't care what he's done. Has he gone to band practice or he's played golf or he's done aqua aerobics or he's cooked scones or he's, you know, he's been out with his wife or there's a story to tell about the kids or whatever it may be. I sit down and we have a chat about what he got up to and that leads to...

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a flurry of conversation and then we get callers and people want to be part of it and they ring and they tell their story. That's the program.

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You know, that's it. You know, it's not rocket science. I think we, mind you, I think we probably make it look a little bit too easy sometimes, but yeah, we just let it flow and it happens. There's a great relationship there, and it comes across as just being two mates sitting in a studio together, having a yarn, but I've got to ask you, you mentioned, you know, you eat too much and this and that, how's the family favourite cookbook going, man? Yeah, well, I reckon Maz and I have given away more than we've sold.

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We've done a few stupid things in our time. But I've got to tell you though, you know, when we got our listeners to send in photographs of them with their nonners, you know, that were 80 or 90 years old with family recipes that date back, you know, 80 years, and you publish it in a cookbook, it was pretty cool. It was pretty special, you know, it gave you a real snapshot of what Australia looks like today.

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compared to what you might have looked like if you did a cookbook 50 years ago. Very, very different. Very different indeed. So you mentioned you're growing up, you know, being there with your dad, you know, being in wall mills, all that sort of thing, wall classing. So going from radio to running the Royal Easter Show, that's a massive career shift. How did that all come about that you said, that's it?

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So look, I was approached to sit on council at the RAS of New South Wales. We've got 54 directors and they're the governing body of the RAS of New South Wales and a position became available and I was invited to become a councillor. So my name was put forward, I was nominated,

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the one that did that for me. And she said that, you know, you've got this extensive media background, you've also got a massive love for agriculture. We believe that, you know, your knowledge and your enthusiasm from the media marketing PR perspective and also agriculture could be an asset for us. So I sat on council for 10 years, and then a position became available as the general manager of agriculture. I was in that transition period of radio.

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I think we've all been there. And I thought to myself, I might leave before they get rid of me again. So I applied for the job and I was successful. And it was the first time in the history of the RIS that anybody has moved from being a director, which is a voluntary position, stepping down as a director and working in management.

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So I was quite chuffed about that. And I was just absolutely energized to, I just felt as I could do more for the organization if I was working here Monday to Friday.

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So I said goodbye to my first love, which was radio, but I was gonna embrace something else, which was something else I loved, and that was agriculture. And then look, I think over time things progressed and changes were made internally. And then about three years after I took on that job, I was also managing the Sydney Royal Easter Show. Underneath me also sits all of our education programs. We've got marketing, we've got a commercial department. The membership also sits under my remit. All the competitions that we run during the show.

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and all our wine, dairy, fun, food competitions that we run outside of the show, and also heritage. So, you know, I'm a bit of a crazy collector of things and I love nostalgia and I love history. So all of a sudden all this came together. And then what was interesting was during the Easter show, you've got to do extensive amount of radio interviews and television interviews and newspaper interviews and things like that. So that came absolutely natural to me.

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and I was talking about something that I absolutely loved and believed in and I still do, and I had that skill set from media. The interesting thing was, you know, when I was given the job, the question was asked, have you ever managed people before? Like, have you managed staff, right?

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And I said, no, I haven't. And I said, you know, you'd work in a team environment in a radio station. So was there anybody directly reporting into me? No, we had a producer, but you know, they didn't report into you, worked as a team. But I gotta tell you that it's interesting the skills that you pick up in media, especially in TalkBack, by talking to people and listening to their tone of voice and listening to what they're trying to say to you.

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you get a better understanding of the type of person that they are. And that skill helped me with staff and with my team. So the transition has been fantastic and I've been here, if you count me being here as a council, I've been here 22 years but 12 years full-time. Yeah the show's such a huge, it's an Aussie tradition, right? What's your favourite part of it? I mean how do you keep keep it exciting? The new generations because

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there's always, you know, there's got to be something new, something fresh and just coming up with some of those ideas is, you know, it's a skill set. It's an interesting question. And I often get asked that question because we get two schools of thought about the Easter Shack. I'm not gonna come next year because it's the same old, same old, right? So we've managed to change that. And then there'll be another school of thought that will turn up and go, oh.

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What happened to this? What happened to that? Why don't you do this anymore? Why don't you do that? So it's a fine balance between ensuring that the memories that people have had at the Easter show when they were young.

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and in their teenage years still remain relevant today, but you've also got to be very mindful of the audience that you've got now and that younger generation that may want different things to what we say one or 20 or 30 years ago. So is it a balance? Yeah, it's an absolute balance. So we try to inject brand new things into the show every year. We try not to take anything away too much. We try and polish it and maybe change it. But the one thing that we always do

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and I sit around with all my team when we work out what we're going to plan for the show. It's got to point back to agriculture. It's got to be relevant to agriculture and our mission and our vision of the RS of New South Wales. So I'm always making sure that no matter what we do, there is that element of ag and regional Australia with everything that we do. And at this year's show...

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we've done that probably better this year than we've done probably in the last five to six years. We've just elevated that agricultural presence in a number of ways from live music and brand new bars. And it's not just a bar, the bar's been built out of a wheat silo.

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You know, we've got a full operating farm on Cathy Freeman Park this year. We've got a honky tonk bar in the stables. We've got sculptors that have come in from all around Australia with the most unbelievable metal sculptures of horses and cattle and sheep. So, yeah, we've got we've got arts and crafts, we've got a sculpture displayed, but it points back to ag, right? And I think that's incredibly important that we stick true to our core and stick true to our roots. And that is that is promoting Australian agriculture.

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funny you get it we talked in the joke to the beginning of the podcast about the birdie beetle bag and all those sorts of things about the one thing that I only ever read at the show is a cheese on a stick I love that thing I didn't know if you can get it anywhere else I don't care you can you

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Yeah, Cheese on a Stick's an institution here, you know. No, can you get it anywhere else? No, you can't. No, you can't, I love it. I will come for that. I will pay whatever the entry fee is just to come for that. Yeah, you know, Cheese on a Stick and the Lemonade and the Birdie Beetle show bag, it's all still here. But you know, we've got over 400 show bags at this year's show. Wow. You know, times have changed. There's 140 food outlets and, you know, we've got 80 different rides.

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Yeah, it's a beast to put together and it's, you know, we often say we bring the country to the city. If you, very quickly, if you imagine it, you know, we've got 80,000 people on site every day. So imagine a country town, I don't know, say, let's take Goulburn. You pick Goulburn up, its population, and bring it here to Sydney Olympic Park.

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That's what we're doing every day. And we've got a fire brigade, we've got a police station, we've got some Zon's ambulance, we've got security, we've got a chaplain, you know, we've got a museum, we've got 400 retail outlets, we've got food, and we've got entertainment, but then overlay that with 14,000 animals that are here over 12 days. You've picked up a country town and you brought it to Sydney, like literally done that. And it's all fenced off. And then it all packs up after 12 days and you wouldn't even think we were here.

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We've got an Abilene Angusburger at home. Murray Wilton, I've known you for a while now. I think we came to come to meet each other through a little event I was doing when I was working way, way back in the land and a farming small areas expo. But I'm guessing if you're not behind a microphone, you're on a dirt bike on the farm or with the boys. And just wanted to say thanks very much for joining us on the Big Six O.

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Mate, it's great to see you both and thank you for the opportunity to have a chat here. Thanks, Matt. The views and opinions expressed on the Big Six O are personal and reflect those of the hosts and guests. They do not represent the views or positions of any affiliated organisations or companies. This podcast is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be construed as professional advice. Please consult with a qualified professional for guidance on any personal matters.

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Oh, and before we go, let's give credit where credit is due. Kaylee Harris and I came up with all the genius content for this week's episode. Our producer, Nick Abood, well he keeps the lights on and makes sure we don't accidentally upload a cat video instead of a podcast. So thanks for keeping us on track, Nick. Nick?