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The Catchiest Aussie Ad Jingles of All Time
Take a trip down memory lane as we revisit the golden age of Aussie advertising jingles—the tunes that wormed their way into our brains and never left!
From Happy Little Vegemites to Louie the Fly, and from "Up There Cazaly" to "Football, Meat Pies, Kangaroos, and Holden Cars," we unpack the catchy, quirky, and sometimes downright bizarre ads that shaped a generation.
Join us as we explore why these jingles still resonate decades later and how they became an unforgettable part of Australian culture.
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This episode of The Big Six-O brought to you by Louis Carr Real Estate, helping people in the Hills District find their dream home since 1992. Ready to buy, sell or rent? Check out louiscarr.com.au for all your property needs. If you're old enough to remember when phones had cords and the only thing that went viral was a cold, then you're in the right place. Welcome to The Big Six-O with Kayleigh Harris and Guy Rowlison.
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Because who better to discuss life's second act than two people who still think mature is a type of cheese?
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Well, welcome to the Big 6-0. Thanks for joining us. My name's Guy Rowlison. And if it's your first time here, welcome aboard. If you're back for a return flight, please make sure your seat and tray tables are in the upright position and your seatbelt is securely fastened. We're about to take off on a bit of a journey through some of the catchiest advertising of the 60s, 70s and 80s and helping me navigate this little slice of turbulence is my co-pilot.
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What's your name again? Welcome to Friday, my friend. I'm Kayleigh Harris. mean, I thought you would have known that. Oh, I'm somebody else. remember right on the tip of my tongue. some of the words of the TVs and radio and advertising jingles that we grew up with. Right. Yeah. Oh my gosh. They were such a thing. Weren't they in it? Particularly, I think in the seventies, advertising jingles really took off. Look, that's when they were so catchy and they
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burrowed into your brain and set up permanent residency really. I they've lived rent free in my head for decades. Probably doesn't say a lot, does it? But they're like little earworms, they? They sort of made us beg our parents for breakfast cereals and chocolate bars and soft drinks and all stuff we didn't need. Yeah. And you can imagine these advertising executives with a ponytail and an earring, you know, sitting around a boardroom table.
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trying to come up with something, how can we get people to remember the product? Oh, no, let's create a jingle. When jingles were huge. But it actually goes back before the seventies, doesn't it? There was a couple of really early radio and TV jingles for products. Yeah. And we're blaming those guys, girls, whoever that actually came up with that because I think
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I mean, there's some iconic, really iconic Australian jingles, aren't there? Yeah. Well, think about happy little Vegemites, the kids with the little circles on their cheeks and, every kid. I think when that came out, I was very young, but it was probably, when would that have come out in the fifties or the sixties? No, that's it. It came out in the fifties. I did a little bit of research on it. It was written back in 1954, but it didn't become a big
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tune in advertising for another three or four years after that when it was shown on TV. So it had been on radio but it didn't really become part of you know that whole thing until sort of years later. And it was was rehashed again in the ensuing years it's been brought back by by Kraft quite a few times the Vegemite Jingle. We all wanted to be that little kid didn't we that little girl. Well, what does she get to be in an ad mum?
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Yeah, well, there are probably days where I wish I was that little girl as well, but that's another story, really, isn't it? Enough of that. But pre-dating that, of course, is an even more iconic item. Actually, I'm not sure whether it's actually a genuine Australian ad. The Aeroplane Jelly ad, was that genuinely Australian ad or? That's a really good question. I don't know. Maybe someone could write into us and tell us. don't know, it was... Have a listen. I mean, even the...
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recording quality, it's so old fashioned. I mean the whole idea of airplanes and jelly, I mean it's just, how did that even become a thing? It makes me think of some horrible stuff that you put on an engine part. Yeah, look, does it like, if I'm going up in a plane do I want that whole wobbling effect, you know, if I'm sitting on a plane? And it was written in the 30s.
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Can you believe that? mean, was recorded in the late thirties. And if people think that they get bombarded with advertising these days, it used to go on live radio and they had the original girl that sang that was a three year old called Jennifer Pikell. And it was played up to a hundred times a day on radio. my gosh.
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And her mother didn't renew the contract after a couple of years. So there was this massive search to find a new singer. And they came up with the girl that ended up doing the ad that we all know now. And it was a five year old called Joy King. And they recorded the jingle back in 1937. So it's such an old ad, but everyone knows it, right? Yeah. Oh yeah. And I've been played a hundred times a day. I'm not surprised. It's been stuck in our heads for so long.
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But let's come forward a little bit to the 70s. Now, as we discussed this before, the 70s were a little bit naughty in terms of music and things like that. you know, I'm thinking of the Ripper 76 album covers with, you know, cheeky bottoms and stuff like that. So it was a little bit more cheeky. And the push bike song, do you remember that? The girl, the cameraman following a girl down the road from the mixtures? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is no mention of it because do you remember?
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the Razzmatazz stocking ads. Oh, from the mixtures. Is that, was it the mixtures song? Yeah. mean, sexualizing women in stockings. It was, I don't know that you'd get away with that these days. You know, it was, I mean, it was such a great catchy, Could I not remember the Razzmatazz stocking ads? And I hate to say it because I'm not politically correct at all, but would, would you still hear something or see something like that these days? A hundred percent not. Because there were, were pictures, even my mind now goes back to
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guys in hard hats coming up through manholes, you know, and looking at this woman walking along with the skirt flowing up and you know, the razzmatazz sort of stockings on. you know, the guy mowing the lawn and going straight underneath the sprinkler, all those sort of things. I mean, I didn't know whether that was sexualizing the product or just showing that men were just dumb. I don't know which one it was. Because it certainly probably did both. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because these days I heard an ad on
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yesterday for men to not sexualize women on the street. know, it's a government ad, I think, and it talks about don't whistle. It's not flattery if you're whistling or staring at a woman in the street. And it's just come completely full circle from those days, as you said, with, know, tradies and guys on building sites wolf whistling at girls. I don't know, part of me thinks it's a bad thing. Part of me think, yeah, it's probably a good thing. Not a lot of girls.
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would have maybe appreciated it. It was a bit intimidating with 10 blokes staring at you as you walk down the street. So that's probably a good thing.
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Yeah, no, I think absolutely it's a good thing and as a father of daughters, you know, I appreciate the fact that, you know, times and, and, you know, all those sort of things have changed for the better, for the, for the most part.
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I want to have a little bit of a hyper leap in logic here because we're talking about that sort of thing. Do you remember the tab cola commercial with a young El McPherson walking along the beach? Oh, I remember tab. I don't remember the ad. Oh, it was a good for beautiful people and only two calories and, there's El walking along and a bloke sitting on the beach next to his wife, partner, girlfriend, and she gives him a clip over the year because he's checked out. But once again, you know,
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Are you allowed to do that on TV these days, you know, and sexualize that whole soft drink sort of Yeah, it was the 70s, right? And think Tab was the first low sugar soft drink that came on the market. Yeah, let alone telling people that it's only for beautiful people. I mean, what about the rest of us? What a rest of us drink. Maybe that was the selling point. I mean, we all went and bought Tab and we thought we were going to look like Elmwick Furson or...
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you know? Yeah. Look, speaking of Elle Macpherson, we're going, I want to go back to take you back a little bit more. This was the 70s. So back in the 70s, KFC had an ad, it was a jingle and it was a cartoon ad on TV of a family going down a road in a little, you know, sort of oversized car with two fat kids in the back. And it stops at KFC. Now I know you know the words to it. We're going to play a little bit of it in a second, but give us a little bit of Hugo and
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Hugo said, you go. I said, no, you go. soon we were, yeah. I didn't do my research on this one, but I understand that was written by Kiwi and it went so well in Australia that they, had it over in New Zealand. But I don't think any one of our age wouldn't remember Hugo rushing in to get KFC. And there were, there was a lot wrong about that ad really, wasn't there? Oh, absolutely. Have a listen.
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and the sheep and the birds and the horses were mooing and baaing and whistling and naaing having lunch in the sun while Hugo and I were having none in the backseat we sat getting thinner the rumblings cried give us Kentucky Fried time for dinner
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stop the car and Hugo said you go and I said no you go and soon he was back with the pack and then dad hit the track so we ate in the back feeling better inside
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A drive isn't funny with an empty tummy. Thank goodness for Kentucky fries. Right. So kids, little fat kids going into KFC. I think to correct that in the years following, I'm sure KFC employed Elle MacPherson again to eat a chicken leg and say how great it was. You know, fabulous because they were, there was such a big push about them being at KFC and not being good for you. So they thought they'd get a supermodel to sell it. Well, of course, back then it
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wasn't even called KFC. And they made that decision to go from Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC because the concept of something being fried was not good for you. Yet they showed a couple more Rubenesque kids in the back of the car. Rubenesque! And so they were very aware of it. But the jingle.
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sort of stuck with us, didn't it? I mean, it was just great seeing the car bouncing along with mum and dad in the front seat and know, there's the kids. So it we've talked about, speaking about fast food, right? McDonald's, you and I both worked at Maccas at Carlingford there on Pennethills Road. And we were talking about whether this was a jingle to all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, on a sesame seed bun. I don't know that it was a jingle.
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I don't know. Was it a jingle or just something you went in and said and got a free burger? Yeah, you did. But it just, it just stuck in your head, didn't it? And guaranteed anyone listening to this today will know that whole to all be Patty special, floor's lettuce cheese. They will know what's on a Big Mac, even though the Big Mac is like half the size of it as it was in the seventies. Um, but when that came out, I remember the boss said, okay, well, you know, we were, was on front counter.
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And said, you have to remember it because people are going to come in and say it and get a free burger and they've got to get it right to say the free burger. And I went home and practiced saying it thousands of times. So if some little kid came in and said it and got it wrong, I'd go, no, you got it wrong. How many times did you say that though? Never, never. Even if they got it wrong, they got a free burger. But it was, I remember it stressed me for a few days trying to remember it. And now, like you said, it's stuck in there. It's ear-worming. Yeah. Look, talking about food.
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And sort of stuff that's really good for you, like Maccas and KFC. There's a great ad for Holden. If you remember it, the whole football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars. Cars, yeah. Oh, look, that was all part, was that part of that Mojo sort of period? No, I that was before Mojo. was before, it? Yeah, I think so. Cause Mojo.
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think really came into its own in the early 80s and I think that 70s because it for some reason I'm picturing 70s Holden's. Yeah. Yeah. No. You're probably right. Because Mojo was that whole you ought to be congratulated. All those very catchy sort of. Yeah. And you used the same guy for a lot of those ads didn't they? Where is that guy? Where is that guy? Who was that guy? Oh. Cuz he did the one of my favorites was how do you feel?
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And it were, they were, there was a couple of them and they were cricket based around the cricket. I think Mike Whitney started in one of them. And I was not into cricket. I didn't get into cricket until Billy Birmingham, you know, made it funny in the, in the eighties and nineties. So I, I, these ads meant nothing to me, you know, just a bunch of blokes playing some game with a stick on a paddock and at the end of it, they're all drinking beer. I'm a girl, right? I had no, I was not into cricket.
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But they stand the test of time. I feel like a twoies or two, again, really stood the test of time and made you wanna pick up a can and rip the top off it. Yeah, I remember, it was at Steve Rickson, I think he was a wicket keeper for New South Wales and Doug Walters of all peoples who lived relatively close to where you and I both grew up. And he was at the other end and I think Steve Rickson went over the boundary, but you were right.
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Mike Whitney was in one. Just insert new set of faces. Yeah, actually got a bit of the Steve Rickson one here. Have a listen.
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On the very last pole, and only a six will save the day. How do you feel when the ball is filled with these bigots on the way?
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Oh, how good. memories. I'm picturing images, you know.
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arms raised, put the ball over the boundary, you know, it's one of those childhood sort of things. But then it's all made worthwhile because you're ripping the ring pull off a beer and. That's right. Not only is it a good day on the field, on the paddock. Oh, look, can we, can we go back just a little bit? Yeah. Um, and there was one that, you know, there's a lot of things as far as your personal hygiene is concerned. Okay. And it was a very short.
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jingle and it all had to do with Palmolive Gold. Don't wait to be told. need Palmolive Gold. Nobody wanted to be told. No one wanted to be told. So you need to go out, you know, all those sort of things. You know what I'm thinking? There was a lady in the rally car and I don't know, there was a whole raft of them, but that's got to be, what is that, 50 or 60 years old? that's... Oh, definitely.
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people, there was a thing that if you worked with somebody in the office who was a bit smelly, you'd just put a little bar of farm olive gold on there because the ad was so well known. You could do that instantly. The person knew, oh gee, you I might be a bit whiffy. You're telling me this now? Oh, well I didn't do it. I'm just saying I know it happened.
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I wondered what, I thought it was just someone being polite and thinking, oh, he's a cake of soap. Speaking of which, there was an ad with a guy in a top hat with, you know, very the whole, we want you, the whole American thing. And it was a deodorant called Uncle Sam. I vaguely remember that. Yeah. And he had the whole jingle. We might have a listen to that if we can.
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Let's get together with the Star Wars Triad In the city of Melbourne
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Oh yeah, sign me up now for a can of that stuff and I'll join the army while I'm going. Yeah look, that ticked a lot of-
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sort of enlistment boxes, let alone, you know, the, I don't know whatever happened to that guy that, you know, he was, he was 15 minutes of fame, but, um, yeah, look, whether it was deodorant or soaps, or I'm sure there were probably things for, you know, not that it was a jingle, but the
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Colgate ring of confidence, you know, all those sort of things. yeah. And Mrs. Marsh with her chalk. you remember that? I don't think that was a jingle, but I just remember the ad. This sounds vaguely like a whole other episode on TV advertisements and going back into the past. But that sexualization of TV ads and all, do you remember the move milk?
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ads from back in the late 70s? Oh that was so cool. Yeah, yeah, late 70s. I remember that the girls on the beach and the move, um, flavoured milk was not really a thing. Before that it was, it was quick, wasn't it? And stuff like that. but then all of sudden to be able to buy milk already flavoured, that was so cool. And you'd just be lazing on the beach and all, you know, and the guy'd be jumping into this mystical sort of stardust.
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water and it was all, you know, it was, it was very early eighties, late seventies, early eighties. And, know, they had all the swimwear ads, whether it was Speedo or, or whatever, but it was, yeah, it was sexualization, but we, loved it. We lapped it up and it was at a time when you could probably do it and no one sort of really raised an eye. No, they didn't know. Like I said, in the seventies, it was, you know, all bets were off. You could do any of that kind of stuff. But speaking about, um, sexualization, not.
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Do you remember in the 70s the ad for Harris Coffee and Tea? And the reason I raise it is because people, kids at school used to go, oh, are you related to that Harris Coffee? Oh yeah, yeah, that's my great grandfather, know, and I'd tell people, but there was an iconic jingle that seemed to go on forever around Harris Coffee and Tea. Tell me if you remember this.
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If you listen very carefully, I'll tell you a tale of coffee and tea and E.H. and company. In 1883, Harris Clippers put to sea in search of coffee and tea, quality coffee and tea. They sped like hawks across the seas for rare Salon and China teas, then rode the roaring 40s till they found rich coffee in Brazil. Then down from...
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The ships were lost and waged war, laden with precious coffee and keys, they crashed their way through the angry seas. At last the friendly trade winds blew, the mighty Harris Clippers flew home across the southern sea, bound for circular keel.
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They open shop in Sydney's Grand. Soon the word pass through the land. H. Harris and company sold quality coffee and tea. Now times have changed in Sydney's wings. It's a different kind of ship that brings cargoes for Harris across the sea. But there's never been a change in the quality.
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Since 1883, E.H. Harrison Company, for quality coffee and tea. Paris coffee and tea. Quality coffee and tea. Paris coffee and tea. What an epic! Like I've just sailed across the Pacific Why DiCaprio wasn't in that standing at the front of the ship, arm spread saying, you know, look, you know.
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I don't know, but it was like a 60 second or a minute and a half ad. I'm sure it was supposed to inform and educate viewers. It was epic because the tea being transported around the colonies in the 1800s. I think that was what they were trying to relive.
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found its way to supermarkets from there, of course, know, straight off the clippers in the 1800s to Woolies or Coles or Alby or whoever. these days? That's how it worked. Now, there's one that I think just resonated with a lot of people. I don't know whether it was the ad itself and people booing in a shower or not, but do you recall the...
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Decorate and Oh my gosh, that was huge. Let's have a listen to it.
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shampoo my hair I really love new deco I love the feeling
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Yes, I
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you
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Yeah,
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to be in that ad, to be honest. It's all well and good to mime the song, but I mean, you know, if you were cut from that saying, look, you don't make it. And then you had to look at the people in the ad and I went, yeah, what didn't I have? There goes your confidence right there. So. Okay, now let's go back. This is something close to my heart. Talking about back in the day, I think it was the seventies, TAA came out with a campaign based on a song, Up Up and Away.
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Um, and the song was in my beautiful balloon, but they came up with up, up and away with TAA, the friendly way and the, all the air hosties and it's dear to me because my mom was a TAA air host in the fifties before she got married. Cause once you were married, you couldn't do it. They wouldn't let you ride. So she, yeah. So she signed up, I think she was about 19 or 20. She did it for about a year that my dad proposed and she had to stop. But in those days, yeah, serious. Um,
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they were very glamorous, the girls. I've got some amazing pictures of my mum in her TAA uniform looking very Hollywood, you know, and very, very glam. But yeah, it was, and then that ad came along showing these beautiful girls. was probably one of the few jingles featuring transport or an airline. Yeah, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree too, as far as, yeah. Stop it. But it's not the first time, because they've ripped that song,
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directly from a great sort of hit to, and just transpose it to TAA. And it's not the first time that had been done. And I know they aren't Australian, but there was so many more of those sort of things, because I remember Coca-Cola used to do a lot of that sort of thing. And they had a, there was a song, you know, like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. Well, that was an advertising jingle, believe it or not. And then it actually became a hit in its own right.
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And there were a few of those. was another one called Jeans On in the late 70s. Oh yeah, based on David Dundas. David Dundas. Yeah. David Dundas. Yeah. That for a brand of jeans called Brutus Jeans. And the advertising campaign went so well that it became a song and a hit in its own right. So Brutus Jeans. came up with that idea? I don't know. I'm going to...
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throw on my Brutus jeans. We're in Brutus jeans these days. But even if you remember, I'm sure so many people would have, I'm hating myself for saying this, that song, we've only just begun by the Carpenter's. Okay. Now, believe it or not, the Carpenter's were not the first people to sing that. And it had commercial beginnings at, it was written by a guy called Paul Williams and Roger Nicholls.
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It was designed to better connect with young people on a TV ad back in 1969. And the Carpenters did it in the couple of years later. An ad for what? It was part of a bank ad. A bank ad? Yeah. Oh wow. I know. So, and it was recorded by a guy called, I think his name was Smokey Robards. He was the first person. remember this stuff in your brain. You've got so much stuff going on up there, haven't you? Yeah, not enough useful stuff. But people that did actually write jingles, believe it not.
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Barry Manilow's written advertising jingles. Oh really? He's done stuff for Band Aid and he's done a whole lot of stuff. And also Randy Newman, you know the guy, short people guy. yeah, yeah. He's done them and you've got a friend. He done a lot of stuff with like Dr. Pepper, all that sort of thing. So really big name people have had a big impact as far as jingles are concerned. Well, I guess if you're trying to advertise a product, why reinvent the wheel if you can drag out a song that's already a big hit?
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and repurpose that song to your product makes a lot of sense, right? Yeah. And along those lines, let's have a listen to this one and tell me if you remember.
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Did you ever use banana boat? Do I remember it? And that had been repurposed from the Muppet song of that. right. Manamana. That's it. So, it caught on. don't know whether it was, I don't know whether it was running sequentially with that whole thing or not, or whether they had to wait for copyright clearance or whatever. don't know. But once again, I mean, that's got to be 40 years old. Once again on the beach.
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Hey, going back to sport, we talked earlier about how do you feel and stuff, but in that vein, how big was come on, Ozzie, come on for the World Series cricket? Let's have a bit listen to that.
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you
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making divots in the green. Marsh is taking wickets. Brooks is clearing pickets. And the chapel's eyes have got that killer glee. Mr. Walker's playing havoc.
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Red path, it's good to see you back. Lead is making runs, doggies chewing gum, and Gilmore's wielding willow like an axe.
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Come on,
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Come on
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mean, people were singing that, the crowds were singing that at actual cricket games, weren't they? They were yelling that out. And that was, that was after, they needed something big because the whole ACB, Australian Cricket Board and the establishment and getting all those players to come across the World Series cricket, that was a master stroke. That was another mojo, it? Was it or not? I'll take your word on that one, but whoever it was, they deserve a pat on the back because
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Those all those world-class players that had come across the World Series cricket were playing it really small Well, not small grounds, but they couldn't play at the MCG or the SCG So they were playing at Princess Park in Melbourne or and all these much smaller grounds and because the crowds were coming in to see you know the likes of Viv Richards and Ian and Greg Chapel and All these all these world-class players. They needed something to hang their hat on and of course
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Come on, Ozzy, come on. Oh, how big. And let's not forget about our friends down south of the border with Mike Brady promoting Channel 7's of the VFL with this great classic.
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The crowd's on your side. The crowd's
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Again, right? You can feel that big crowd surge in that song. It just really helps to get you behind the game, doesn't it? Did the Kazaly family actually get any residuals from that? I mean, probably like the Harris family in the coffee. Was there a Kazaly family? I think. See, I told you, I don't know anything about. Well, you'd think Kazaly being an AFL player. Right, OK. Oh, gosh. Oh my gosh. I'm not sure whether he was a player in the 30s or 40s.
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But it was an iconic song and it just stood and you did, you felt that whole stadium sort of uplifting. And once again, it was an advertising campaign that went on to become number one on the Australian charts. didn't matter whether you followed football or Yes it did. huge. just gave you this euphoria and this uplifting of your spirit. whether you knew whether, because Ailey was a real...
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player or not. my gosh, cricketer. Yeah, he could have been a water, water polo for all I knew. Yeah, could have been a synchronised swimmer. Well, I'm waiting for that chance just to, you know, but let's, let's, let's wind right back now. And I know we were talking about this earlier and there's a bit of a link with ACDC and a particular advertising campaign that I know you picked up on as well. Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay, so I'm going to play it for you first and then I'm going to play the ACDC version that features the same wording. Let's have a listen to the first one.
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Now tell me those Louis the Fly people did not rip those lyrics off of ACDC. was around about the same time. Well someone ripped the lyrics off from someone I'm not quite sure who. It worked for Australians because yeah it worked for both of them and you know I'm sure someone is getting residual payments from that as well. There's a lot of payments going on.
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But I'm sure, I mean, we had that situation, didn't we, where a few years ago was it the, was it the Ozcrawl Men at Work, Cole Fiasco with the Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree lyrics being used in something. And yet here's ACDC using essentially like a Louis the Fly thing. Comparing Bondscot to a fly. Yeah, look, I'm going to hop in my Amaco in my machine, nice clean petrol, positive power. You know what I mean?
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Or, and of course we don't drink and drive, so Mr Lindemans wine cast, know, Mr Lindemans makes you happy with these wine casts. I don't know, think I'll do one of those too and then we can catch up. We catch up next week. Well I'm going to go down to KFC with Hugo. Well if you go and I go, we'll be back. Yeah, okay, we're going. I'll see you later. See ya. The views and opinions expressed on the Big Six O are personal and reflect those of the hosts and guests.
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Oh, and before we go, let's give credit where credit is due. Kaylee Harris and I came up with all the genius content for this week's episode. Our producer, Nick Abood, well, he keeps the lights on and makes sure we don't accidentally upload a cat video instead of a podcast. thanks for keeping us on track, Nick. Nick? Nick?