Ronald Platt talks about asking help before and after divorce

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SPEAKER_00 0:01

Well, hi everyone. Welcome back to the solo parenting podcast. I'm your host, Jennifer Gill. Um, I've got another amazing guest. His name is Ronald Platt. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. And I'm just gonna give you a little bit of an introduction to him before I welcome him. So he is a ser serial serious entrepreneur with over 35 years of experience in real estate and social advocacy. His personal experience has changed his true mission to be a foster parent and an advocate for families in crisis. His passion led to create the National Association for Single and Divorced Families, also known as NASDF. He also has launched the only divorce insurance product. So welcome, Ron. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_01 1:04

I'm doing great and I really appreciate you having me on your show.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

Thank you. So, um, first of all, let's talk about your mission to create the National Association for Single and Divorced Families. Like, how did that come about?

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Yeah, it was kind of a culmination of a lot of things that happened to me during my lifetime and uh what I've seen other people going through. I'm a foster parent. I've gone through a nasty, not a divorce because we weren't married, but a really nasty 14-year breakup. It didn't take me 14 years to break up. It just, you know, I got into a relationship where I was loved conditionally, like I was when I was growing up. So it was just natural for me to go into a relationship the same way. And uh that person over the years became a drug addict and and had mental health issues and uh was not being treated for it, and it got very, very bad and very toxic from verbal abuse to just a lot. I have a still have I still call it PTSD from from the breakup. But at some point, I had walked out of my house and a voice very loudly said in my house, in my head, today's the day. And I knew at that point immediately that that was it, that that 14-year relationship had to end. I went back into the house, told the person I was uh we were done, and that's when things got really juicy. That's when they went out and got an attorney, which was could have been a very easy settlement, uh very easy distribution of the assets. But they insisted on getting an attorney, then I had to get an attorney, and then it got messy, and basically at the end, we both walked away with nothing.

unknown 2:40

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Except our attorneys made a great deal of money, but we walked away with nothing. And it was during the Great Recession when I, as a realtor, was making six figures, and then suddenly the next day I was making nothing. And I remember opening up my refrigerator at that time, and for the first time in my life, I thought, I have no money for food. Not only did I not have money for food, but I was living with somebody who was jacking up the electric bill by keeping their on all day, was not contributing financially, was doing everything they can to make that time in my life harder than it could have possibly gotten.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

And what I had to learn were survivor skills, and what I had to learn was how to overcome something like that. I always believe that when life challenges you to that extent, it's transitioning you into something really good, but something you really need to learn.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

I I can look back at it and say it was probably the biggest growth spurt in my life, but it was also the most challenging time in my life. So it was between that. I was a I became a foster parent to a 13-year-old young young boy, and that in itself was challenging. I was very naive when I got into it and had to learn very quickly uh who the boss was and what my position in that relationship was, uh, and the challenges that came through it, not only with him, but with the system, the foster care system, the family court system, the lack of services that I uh that he was unable to receive, that I fortunately enough was able to pay for out of pocket, so that he did get those same services uh privately. Um but I would go to court and I would witness other families going through situations. I would see foster parents who wanted their children and have to give them back to parents that were not in a position to handle them, and the courts deciding always on the parents and never on the what that was best for the child. Um, I had a business partner who left her abusive husband through a doggy day through a doggy door with her baby under her arm because he had locked all the doors in the house. And I and for 10 years she fought him in family court to get custody of her sole custody of her child, and the lack that the lack of the courts to be able to finalize the decision until the girl was old enough to call the police and say, I don't want to go with my father, and that's when it stopped. Okay. And vice versa, on the male side, I had a male police officer friend of mine who was trying to get his kids away from an abusive wife, and the court system's really not taking him seriously. And again, the children were the people were the ones that ended up having to deal with the situation. So, it how do I take something like that? Well, when I was in the insurance business many moons ago, I was in business with my dad, who uh was also I I I call him when Lloyd's of London was writing insurance on on ships uh 150 years ago. My dad was there signing off on the policies. That's how long he was in the in the insurance business. We were sitting at lunch one time and he said, I always want to create a product that would guarantee child support and alimony if the person who's paying dies, becomes disabled, involuntarily lost their job, or had to declare a business bankruptcy as an entrepreneur. And I thought, God, that that's genius. And he said, and he said, right? And I said, Well, you know, we have an association that's kind of doing what AARP does for people who are 55 or older. Why don't we convert it and use it for people who are getting a divorce or have a single family type household and provide them with stuff? And my dad said, That's brilliant. We both went back to our prospective offices. He did not want to kick off the association until he had the insurance product placed. And for 30 years he tried and then meeting his demise only to have it not done. And we kind of tabled the whole thing until I met an investor about a year and a half ago who was talking to me and I said, you know, I've got this association I've always wanted to start, but we need a certain amount of money. And he ended up speaking to me for three months, asking me a bunch of questions. I really thought he was going to go ahead and fund it. They decided not to. They said, if it was such a good thing, why hasn't somebody else done it? And I always said, Well, if AARP has 68 million members, uh 38 million members, why hasn't somebody competed with them? Because that's kind of what we're doing, except for people who are divorced and single families. So they passed. I ended up refinancing my house, pulling money out, going out and getting a ton of credit cards, and starting it. And shortly after I started the association, a buddy of mine reached out and said, Did you ever place the insurance? I said, No. And he says, I got a 70-year-old underwriter I want to introduce you to. I get the guy on the phone. He says, Do you have a policy? Do you have actuarials? I had everything. I sent it to him. Two weeks later, he called me up and he said, We're going to do it. And it was very healing. It was also, I got very emotional about it because I know how hard it was for us to get this done for so many people that need it. And for this guy to take a chance on me and say, I love it. I'm looking for a niche product. I think this is going to really do well, to be able to take that and then develop the logistical things that needed to be done to get it off and running. And that's where we're at today. So we now have the National Association for Single and Divorced Families, which is up and running. It's a $19 monthly membership fee. We offer a slew of products and services. I call it the umbrella thing, the umbrella effect. If you Google divorce, you get about five pages of attorneys, but there's a ton of resources out there that are really hard to find. And we've brought them all under our umbrella, like divorce coaches, mediators, therapists. Uh a lot of our um benefits to our members is we offer free mental health care sessions.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

Uh, we offer career services, uh, real estate services with 25% referral fees going back towards your closing costs, uh, computer supplies, school supplies, uh, diapers, uh, formulas, early childhood education, you got to go to the site to check it out. And as we continue to grow, so do the benefits and services. So it'll it'll continue to get better and better and better. And part of what we offer through NASDF is the support insured, which, as I said, now guarantees that if you are receiving funds, whoever is paying it, if they die, become disabled, involuntarily lose their jobs, so they had a plant closing, or they had to, they were downsized by their job, or they're an entrepreneur and they have to declare a business bankruptcy, we'll go ahead and continue making those payments for up to a year. So it's really something that fills that gap without you having to become what we call a deadbeat parent, which I don't insure.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

Okay. Is so the NASDF, is that only available in the United States, or is that kind of like worldwide?

SPEAKER_01 8:53

It is right now, it's in the US. We're trying to get it into Canada. I just have to, some of our products are not available in Canada, but we are trying to shift that into Canada as well. The insurance product, however, is applicable throughout the country throughout the the US and abroad. It's just that you're you're gonna get an association that you can't really use with the insurance, but the insurance will definitely cover it.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Okay, okay. And so if somebody is thinking of maybe divorcing and they're like, but they're not sure if they should divorce or not, yeah. Um, like is there like ways that they can go and talk to somebody, like a therapist or a lawyer or someone that maybe can help them to guide them to see, okay, is divorce the good thing then?

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Absolutely. So you think divorce, you think attorneys. Yeah. And that's not necessarily the right route to go because uh I find that attorneys don't don't like quick solutions, they like long extended solutions, and that long extended solution costs you a lot of money. Yeah. So if you go to our resources, you're gonna find that there's a lot of divorce coaches that are out there. There's relationship coaches that are out there that are on our site. Uh, because again, if you're I always say to people when they say, Well, I'm not sure about my spouse, and I'm like, Well, is it 50% good, 60% good, 70%? And if they say, Well, it's 70%, okay, well, keep working on it. You know, go go see a um a uh a relationship coach or go see a therapist or sit sit with somebody and try to figure it out. If it's a 50-50, you're probably heading towards a divorce. And in that case, if it's amicable, use a mediator. You don't need to hire an attorney. If the two of you can agree, and or if there's some things that need to be worked out that you can't agree to, definitely reach out to our association, look for mediate, one of the mediators that we have and use that. It's much more cost-effective, and then they can take you through the entire process. Uh, if you're debating whether to have a divorce and you just need some therapy, use the three free mental health care sessions that we offer, and then it's discounted thereafter. These are licensed therapists. So you don't have to go out and hire somebody. You could simply become a member for $19 is a lot cheaper than spending $125 an hour for a therapist.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Um, or go to a divorce, go to a divorce coach, which uh a lot of times can show you and your partner how to very easily uh break up the assets, break up the relationship, and do it amicably if that's where you're at. So I would say definitely go to the resource page and look at the alternatives for hiring an attorney because that that will definitely get you to the divorce, and that might not necessarily be what you need.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Yeah, because a lot of on Facebook, when I go into a lot of Facebook groups for a lot of women or a lot of single moms, a lot of them mention that they've been um not really a breadwinner. Uh the spouse has, and now the spouse is like locked them out, or they don't even know where to start because the children, yeah, they've never worked, so they've got no savings, no homes. Yeah. Where does one start then?

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Good question. So we have a career services section of our site for those at-home parents who are there's a gap in your resume from the time you had your child, you stopped working if you and now you have to re-enter the job force suddenly. How do you fill that gap? So if you go to our career services side, you're gonna see there's a whole video on filling the gap and how to make your resume look better because being a mom or being a dad has a lot of things that are applicable in the real world. So just take you know, changing diapers and cleaning house and preparing meals and all that has a lot of applicable, applicable uh things that you can use in the job force. And that one of our videos shows that it also shows about how to update your LinkedIn, how to apply for a job, how to get in front of the recruiter, how to negotiate your salary. If you don't know what you want to do, we have one-on-one counseling that you can uh set up an appointment to meet with one of our career advisors. They're offering a 25% discount for our members. And I have to tell you, the reason why we brought this company in is because we have personally used them in our family. And I've sent them uh friends of mine that were you've got these 40-year-old CEOs that don't know what they want to do when they grow up. And I've sent them to the to the Steps Career Academy, and they've come back and said they're they're brilliant. And I've said, I know that's why we use them, that's why they're one of our vendors because they're so good. Um, also, we're and we've heard from our members that are in that situation where their their partners control the funds and now they need to go out and hire an attorney and they don't have the money. Yeah, so we're putting it out there that we want a credit card company to be able to uh provide a credit card for our members that would that would pay for attorney fees, mediation services, and and court costs, kind of like Care Credit does. It's a credit card that you can use for uh medical bills, uh pet care, and cosmetic surgery. You can't use it for anything else but those three things. We want that for our members. So if anybody out there works for a big bank that wants to do a very niche type credit card, this is what we're looking for. But this is and if we can't get that, we're also looking for various divorce funds that will help people that are in that situation be able to go and borrow the money to hire the attorney to get the divorce. Typically, once the divorce is settled up, you're either going to get alimony or child support if you've been an at-home parent. So it's that temporary place that you're in where you don't have the money to file, but once you file and it's settled, you will have the money from that spouse, hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Yeah, it does. It just gets me going thinking that so this is only kind of available for people that are in the states, but what would somebody do if they were not in the United States? Like I'm in Canada right now.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Right. So a lot of the Canadian laws are the same as they are here in the US, uh, that we have found. Uh uh the a lot of the divorce, every one of the resources that are on our site, except for the mediators, because a lot of media you might have to go to a local mediator, but the divorce coaches are nationwide, a lot of the services are nationwide and can be used in Canada as well. Okay. Um, the mental health care, again, can be used in Canada because it's uh over the phone. Uh, a lot of the products and services can be used uh in Canada as well. We just haven't marketed because I want to be able to provide more products uh and services into Canada, but our insurance product support shirt can be utilized in Canada, and your divorce system is very similar to ours with the child support and alimony as well.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Okay, okay, awesome. That's good to know.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

So um we know that uh it's difficult to divorce your spouse, and like how does one talk to a child if there's a child or children? Like, should you have both parents in the meeting or should you just have one or having a therapist? Like, what would you suggest?

SPEAKER_01 16:00

So every situation is different.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Uh I was blessed that uh at 16 my parents came to me and came to my sister and I sat us down and said we're getting a divorce, and we actually thought that was a good thing. Oh, okay, okay. But they did it together and they said, you know, well, we're gonna kind of break up. And we said, Are you getting a separation or are you getting a divorce? And they said, No, we're definitely going for a divorce. And we're like, okay, great. Now, what happened after that was challenging to some extent. It was they mutually agreed to the divorce. Uh, they they came up with a financial uh compensation between the two of them, and my father moved close, made sure he was close enough to the house that I could either take my bike, walk, or drive, you know, eventually I had a car and uh drove there. But we intentionally made sure that we saw each other twice a week. It was Tuesdays and Thursdays was our dinner night, and it really bonded us. I could I could see him at any time. There was never any criteria that I couldn't see my dad.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

Uh, and but now I suddenly became the man of the house with my mother, and there were certain demands that were put on me as well. But how do you tell your children? That depends on how your family works.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

It is best, in my opinion, that both parties sit down with the children and explain to them what's going on because there's going to be a lot of questions, there's going to be a lot of emotions. Having access to a therapist definitely helps. Being able to create an environment that is both this very similar for the children, you know, that when they go to dad's house, it's a very comfortable uh as best as possible, a a um non-chaotic environment. Don't when you have your children separately, don't talk about the other party, the the spouse that you just left, don't say anything negative, always have it be something positive or don't say anything at all. Don't pit one child against uh uh one parent against the other parent with the children involved. That's just not good. Ideally, if the both of you can't sit down and have that conversation, great. If you can't make sure to keep the children out of the conversation as far as any of the negativity that's involved.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Okay, okay. So I see that uh you have the insurance for people that are like separated or like divorced. Like, how did that come about?

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Like well, again, like I had shared with you, it was an idea that my dad came up with 30 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Uh, it is a form of credit insurance. So as original as it was, he was kind of borrowing it for he saw it somewhere else and thought, oh, I could use that for the divorce market. But all those companies that were writing credit insurance did not want to get into the divorce area. I don't I don't know why. It just he tried his best. Uh the uh we we had figured out what the premium is going to be, we put the policies together, and then basically, like I said, this carrier that we're now using, which is a parent uh parent company of prudential insurance, uh went ahead and got went ahead and decided to take on the risk. And that's how it pretty much got started. It only took me 30 years, but I'm I'm pretty persistent.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Okay, that's good. So what is it like raising a foster child? And he's 13 years old.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

Well, he was 13 when I got him. He's just turned 37 uh this week.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

Oh wow, yeah. And uh and he's also in the LGBTQ group.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

So he um he had been so his parents were um addicts. Oh I think his father sold drugs, his mother was an addict, and he was found out uh by children's services because he was at home taking care of his mother instead of being in school. Oh uh he was in the system at the age of nine and kept getting passed around. Uh he was abused because he had already identified as an LGBQT child. And prior to me getting him, he was in a home where the gentleman had said, you know, this is permanent. I'm gonna keep you and and call me dad, and yada yada yada. And then uh about a year into it, he changed his mind. I don't remember what happened, but he was back in the system, and then I got him. Okay, and pretty much said the same thing, you know, this is your home. Uh you can stay, I'm not gonna be changing my mind, yada. And he challenged me many, many, many, many times. Um, they were very, I had sat down. I kids work best when they're on a system of some kind, when they have a schedule. Yeah, so when he moved into my house, I said, uh, you're gonna be going to school full-time, uh, you're gonna get a job. He was 13, he was turning, he turned 14 at the time. Yeah, and we lived close to restaurants and retail stores. It was within walking distance. I knew half the neighborhood, so they were just like, Yeah, send him in, we'd love to give him a job. So he literally ended up getting a job at a restaurant two blocks up from our house. Uh, you have to get a job, you have to go to school. Uh, I know you're gonna smoke weed. So if you smoke weed, do it on the weekends. Don't do it during school. I need you cognizant, I need you focused, blah, blah, blah, blah. I didn't even have a bedroom set for him when I got him. Oh, and he and I went furniture shopping, which nobody had ever done with him before. And he's like, Well, what can I pick out? I'm like, pick out whatever you want. Yeah, pick out, you know, I'm living, I came came to your house with a garbage bag. I said, That we got to get you some luggage as well. You know, so I had to throw him out more than once uh because he challenged me. He came back, we set new rules. Yeah, it uh I had to go through the system that was not giving him the services that he needed desperately, and I was able to pay for that out of pocket. So slowly over the years, I will tell you what the breaking point was. He was arrested about two years into me having him. He was arrested for doing something really stupid, and he was on drugs at the time.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

And when I picked him up from the jail, I really went off on him. I was I was yelling at him, I was banging on my steering wheel, I was like, you know, we're I'm trying to give you stability, I'm I'm showing you that I love you. I'm doing everything I possibly can, blah, blah, blah. And I don't even remember what the words were, but he told me about a year ago. He said, I remember that conversation. He reminded me of the conversation, I had forgotten about it. And he said, I knew at that point you were in. Because you got so pissed at me that somebody who loves me had to have gotten that pissed.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Yeah. And he said, then I knew you were in. So it's uh he still again, he has some addiction issues and some mental health issues, but but he's able to have a full-time job. He got married, he gave us a granddaughter. Uh it's no longer about him. I just want my granddaughter now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, enough with him, get out of the way. Give me my grandchild. So um it it it's it's challenging to this day at 37, but it's it I would never have thought otherwise. I did end up adopting him. Uh, and that was that took a little while as well because I wanted him to realize that he wasn't just being adopted, he was coming into a line of family members who were there to support him, to love him, that had gone through a lot of trials and tribulations, had gone had Holocaust survivors. So he he was coming into a line of very strong people, and he had to realize that it wasn't just about him anymore, it was about him becoming part of us. And when he decided to take that on, that's when the adoption went through, and uh, I love him to death.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Oh, awesome, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Yeah, it's also the reason why our future advocacy is going to be geared towards foster care reform and family court reform. Is I want to be able to give these children a voice to be able to make the necessary changes to make their lives better. And you can't do it as an individual, but if you have a million members or two million, you know, again, I use AARP as my format, yeah. 38 million members, their advocacy is geared towards uh Social Security, Medic Medicare, and elder fraud. And Congress won't make a change in Social Security unless they talk to AARP.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Because you got 38 million people behind you. I want to be able to have that many people behind me so that I could go to different uh states, set uh legislatures, different uh courts, and be able to say, you've got to make these reforms. I've got you know eight million members behind me, god willing. Uh, and I have I have a voice that's loud enough for people to stand and take a take a meeting with me and to make the change. So that's what my passion is.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Oh wow, that's awesome. Keep up the good work. I'm amazed. Thank you. There's actually something like that for people that are actually going through a separation or divorce. Like I'm really proud of that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

So is there a way that somebody could connect with you? Or do you like a website or social media accounts?

SPEAKER_01 24:25

We got everything. Nasdf.org is our website. So you'll see all of our benefits. You'll you'll see information about us. You can enroll. If you want to buy the insurance, which is called Support Insured, just go to our website, nasdf.org. You'll see a tab on there called Support Insured. There's a bunch of questions and answers on there. You can apply right online. You can actually pay for it and get a certificate right there on the spot. The cost for the insurance is based off of your age and the amount that you're receiving in the in the court mandated amount. So if you're getting $2,500 a month, only purchase $2,500. You can purchase $3,000, but I'm not going to pay $3,000. I'm only going to pay you $2,500. Okay. So make sure you're buying the right amount to give you an idea of the cost. If you say four, and again, don't quote me on this, but if you're 42 years old and you're getting like $1,500 a month, I think it's like $500 a year. So it's not expensive. It's a lot cheaper than hiring an attorney. Also, it comes with a discounted one-year membership to NASDF at the same time. So super easy. If you want to see our our uh podcast, you can go to YouTube, NASDF O R G, our Facebook page, N A S D O N A S D F O R G, same thing with our um TikTok, same thing with our Instagram, all under the same name.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Oh wow, that's amazing.

unknown 25:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Somebody could be really using that. Maybe they're going through it. So any last words for someone that's maybe going through this right now, or they've just gone through it and they're like, okay, my head is spinning. I've got child young children that are in school, elementary school, and they don't know where to start. So what would you say to them?

SPEAKER_01 26:02

You know, I I want to be the first place people go to when you're pondering this or whether you're in it. Yeah. Because because of the resources that we have, because of the products and services that we're offering. I mean, why why pay for an attorney when you can get a mediator? Why pay for mental health care when you can get it, you know, three free mental health care sessions, which by the way, uh, as soon as we achieve a certain level of membership, which is not not a lot, we can change that to eight free mental health care sessions plus uh for each condition. So if you have anxiety and depression, you'd get 16 free mental health care sessions. So I need a few more members before I can do that. For right now, it's it's three, three free sessions. Just go to it, check out the resources. It's 19 bucks a month, it costs nothing, and I guarantee that you'll get more than your money's worth with everything that's on there. And if you need a divorce coach just to talk things through, check it out under our resources.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

And what if like somebody um is now okay, they have to work, they've got young children, that like they need daycare to have the kids so they could go get a restaurant job, or like they don't know where to start, like to get a job because the the market inflation is so scary these days that yeah, people are starving.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

So under our early childhood education discounts, you get uh free enrollment and and discounted towards the child care services with uh UGRO, uh Montessori, Lapetite Academy. They have they have a dozen different uh schools under our learning care program that we have. So definitely utilize that if you can. Uh, secondly, as far as the job sites, go to the career services section. I mean, there I'm telling you, we have like 25 videos in one section and 11 in another, that if you can't figure out what to do after watching, go or find figuring out which video to watch, yeah, and go ahead and utilize the the one-on-one uh services that is provided under the under uh the Steps Career Academy as well. As far as getting a job that I can't help you with, but we can certainly help help you figure out how to look for a job and where to look and how to make your resume marketable.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Oh, that's awesome. Thank you. Somebody could be using that uh just as they hear the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yep, absolutely. And and if you go to our podcast on YouTube or on our site, yeah, uh you're gonna see uh you're gonna see divorce coaches, you're gonna see mediators, you're gonna see moms and dads talking about their journeys. Uh, I probably have 35 or 40 videos on there. Check it out because a lot of them I are specifically made to help people during this time to realize that there's other people out there to help you.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Okay. So any close uh last words in closing?

SPEAKER_01 28:38

They say that without discomfort, you can't grow. I know that sounds like crap, but it's true. I every time we become complacent, we don't really do any. We don't really grow, it just feels comfortable. But when life takes you and shakes you up really strong and makes you very uncomfortable, as as uncomfortable it is as it is, it's the biggest learning lesson in your life. And I promise you it will get better, and that you will be able to look back and say, wow, I would not be who I am today if it wasn't for that situation. So take a breath, realize that there's resources out there to help you. It's gonna get better, I promise. And please visit us at nasdf.org.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Yes. Thank you, Ron, for coming on today and explaining your business, your entrepreneurship. That was awesome. So for anyone that's listening to this, please reach out. There is help out there. You're not the only one. There's probably other people as well that are suffering. Yeah, you know, don't end it, just go and seek some help. Go to someone. Talk to someone. Use our mental health care.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Definitely use our mental health care.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Yeah. All right. All right, everyone. So that was my guest, Ronald. Do reach out to uh him if you got if you're struggling or maybe you don't know where to start. Go and go to YouTube and watch his videos. It's on uh NASDF.org. And also, if you're looking to just maybe talk to somebody, reach out to me, jennifergale68 at gmail.com, email me. I'll be glad they'll respond to you right away. Also, I've got uh YouTube videos, I've got solo parenting Facebook group videos on there, and it's all soloparenting.com author Jennifer Gill. And if you're looking to maybe read up on a book, I've got my little story in the front, and I've also I've got some of like a guideline to what to do. It's available on Amazon.com. And also, if you're looking to join my newsletter, you can join my stand store and I'll put the links in the bottom of the show notes until we meet again for the next video and the podcast. I will talk to you later. Have a great day.