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Channeling “The Group” & Humanity’s Next Leap

November 18, 2025 • Stan Mallow

A builder walks onto a beach at sunrise, lifts a smudge stick, and hears a sentence that changes everything: “I will be a lightworker.” That moment set Steve Rother on a three-decade journey channeling “The Group,” teaching at the United Nations, and translating complex spiritual ideas into tools people can use at work, at home, and in the middle of a tough day.

In Rother’s interview on “Paranormal Yakker” we dig into how a monthly series of “Beacons of Light” led to invitations from UN groups in Vienna and New York, why smart, skeptical professionals wanted to learn channeling, and what it takes to receive rather than overthink. From there, we explore the heart of Steve’s best-selling book—“Spiritual Psychology: The 12 Primary Life Lessons”—and how patterns like acceptance, adaptation, trust, truth, and communication become the curriculum your soul keeps placing on your path. Think major and minor: most of your friction points point back to one or two core lessons you’re here to stabilize.

Steve lays out a vivid picture of fifth-dimensional living—not a place, but a frequency where connection, empathy, and coherence guide choices. We talk about the rise of the feminine and the need to rebalance, the surprising wisdom of viewing challenges as initiations rather than punishments, and why simple practices—clear boundaries, small acts of courage, daily attunement—change outcomes quickly. We also wade into today’s stranger signals: accelerating change, ET attention, and the Mandela effect as a clue that the walls between dimensions may be thinning. Whether you take it literally or metaphorically, the takeaway is practical: upgrade your attention, and your world upgrades with it.

If “Aspavo” means “thank you for taking your power,” this conversation is a field guide to doing exactly that—without the drama, without the dogma. Join us, then tell a friend who’s ready for grounded spirituality.

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Hi everyone, I'mStan Mallow. Welcome toParanormal Yakker. My guest on today's show,Steve Rother, is a pioneering spiritualteacher & channel for The Group.A leader in modernmetaphysics, taughtchanneling at the UN& his works havebeen published globally. He is known forguiding seekers worldwide towardempowerment, purpose,& spiritualremembrance through his books, podcasts,& workshops. I'll be talking with himabout his best-selling book, which is nowbeing relaunched, that being

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The Twelve Primary LifeLessons.Steve Rother,welcome toParanormal Yakker.Thank you. Thank you, Stan. It's an honorto be here. I've followed your work before.In my introduction, Steve, I mentionedyou were a channel for The Group.Who or what isThe Group?& when & how didyou become a channel for it?Well, that was that's a greatquestion. That was actually myquestion to The Group. Who are you?I'm getting this information. Who are you?The genesis of it was simple. Iwas not into this stuff at all. I was ageneral contractor. Iwas in a lived in adifferent world where every sentencestarts with a letter F. I mean, it's adifferent communicationentirely. & what took placewas rather interesting. My wifewas into metaphysics. Shebelonged to a metaphysicalchurch. & I used to say,Honey, you go play with yourfriends & I'll stay homewith the kids, you know, &kind of let her go do her thing. & thenon New Year's Eve, in1995, we went to a thingthat was put on by her church.It was to, it didn't involvedrinking & I don't drink. Sowe're always looking forsomething unusual to do onNew Year's Eve.& we've I said,Okay, honey, I'll go with you.You keep going to this church. These peopleprobably thinkyou're, you're lying about your husband,I'll show up, I'll bethere. I'll support you. So I went thenight was interestingbecause it was just maybe 35, 40people. & we were all supposedto revisit what happenedduring that last year& decide thethings we weredone with& decide whatwe wanted for thenew coming year. Interestingexercise. I figured I'd just staywith my wife. That way, Iwouldn't have to learn all thelanguages they were talking.& of course, as soon as I walkedin the door, they split us up. So thatdidn't work out too well.I just determined to smile& nod. & Igot through the nightwith no problem. In fact, itwas wonderful. They were wonderfulpeople, completely open,completely teaching,they were just like, just like yourlisteners, they're in thisenergy. So it's first time Ireally became aware of that.New Year's Eve is over, we allhugged & kissed, we went homefor a couple of hours& met on the beachto watch the sunrise.& during the sunrise, we'resupposed to build a fire, takethis paper that we did & ripit in half, take the stuff wewanted to get rid of & throwit in the fire. & then readthe paper that we wanted forthe new year to the rising sun.Interesting thing. So now I'mbuilding a fire because I'm acontractor. So that's one thing that Icould get into,so I built this monsterfire. & these people show up,there's probably only maybe12 people at that time. & I'mkind of hiding in the smokethinking, okay, I'm gonna, I'mgonna watch everybody do this.& I'll be the last one doing it.A leader gets up there. He says a fewwords. & right away,he says, you know, I was goingto do mine first, but I'm beingtold Steve needsto go first.I gave my wifea dirty look && just went said, Okay, I'll getpast this no problem. So I takethis smudge stick, I think theycalled it. It was this burningrope type thing.& I heldit up to therising sun.& I said, Okay, tear this up,throw this in the thing, everybodygoes home. Great. & I've only got acouple lines to read &I'm done. & I hold thisthing up. I can't read the lines.They're blurry, they're jumping all overthe place. & then thetears started. Oh my god. Iwas being hugged in a way thattotally changed my life. They justcompletely surrounded me.& the people around the firewere worried about me. BecauseI was being really quiet. Iwasn't saying anything. I'mstill holding my hand upwith that paper in it. Not doinganything. & they're allsending me energy.& I didn'tknow what the hands were. Ithought that was some sort of,you know, maybe a metaphysicalhandshake or something. I didn'tknow what it was. & so after a shorttime, I became aware thatI was still here & I was, they werewatching me & so forth.& it kind of came back inmy body. & I only had threethings to say. & I said, Okay, & all Icould say is I will bea lightworker. That's all Icould say it wasn't on my list.So I went back in to get backin the line. & I, my wife leansover & says, What's alightworker? I said, I don'tknow. But we're going to dowe're gonna find out. I'm sureeverything in my life changedfrom that day forward. Not onlymine, but my wife as well. Weliterally shifted everythingthat we were doing. Mycontracting business ended upclosing about three or fourmonths later, we just couldn'tget work no matter what we triedto do. & I laid the guys off,we went in a different direction. & Istarted writing,& Icouldn't stop. & that'swhen the channels really startedcoming through. That was about 30 yearsago, it'll be 30 yearsin December. Absolutelyamazing. Luckiest guy in the world.Thank you for sharing that.Also mentioned in my introductionwas that you taughtchanneling at the United Nations.I'm curious to know,Steve, how that came about.Did you approach them?Did they approach you?Who at the UN did you teach?& what was the reasonfor them wanting to learnhow to channel?You know, I don't know all the details,but I can tell you whathappened from my perspective.From my perspective, I get a call one day,& it's a lady who simply says,we've been thought,we, whoever we is,we've been following your work.We've been, because Iwas putting out monthly,messages from The Group,the Beacons of Light,which I still put outevery month free of charge.So I was putting those out,they were saying, we'rereading the Beacons of Light,& we really like some ofthe things you're saying.I wonder if you would everfind yourself here in Vienna,because it was in Vienna thatthey asked me the first time.& we said, yeah, well, sure, we'll come.We already had a planned trip for Denmark& stopping in Holland.& then we said, you know what?We're just gonna turnaround & go to Viennaafter that before we come home.Very long trip, but we did.& it was interesting.The people that brought uswere responsible for the,what is it called?They had different names,because the one in New Yorkhas a different organizationthan the one in Vienna,& I've spoken at both.We spoke three times in Vienna,where I sat down & channeled.& it won the first time,I think it was the first time, in Vienna,we had some extra time.& she says, whatwould everybody like to see?& everybody, I said, we'dlike to learn how to channel.So I said, okay, we'll do that.There was probably only,I would say there was lessthan 50 people in the room.So it was not a hugegroup, it was a small group,but there were delegates,there were scientists fromthe Atomic Energy Agency.There was all sorts of different,there were secretaries there.There was all sorts ofdifferent people in the roomthat we got to find out about later.& we did this channeling exercise,which I do with a lot of people.It was more difficult, I have to say.It was more difficult at the United Nationsthan I normally teach.& I think it's justeverybody's in their head.Everybody wants tothink their way through it.You can't really dothat when it comes to spirit.But it was great.We taught the class, had a wonderful time.It was about 45 minutes,maybe an hour at the most.& we have pictures ofpeople sitting in the three chairs& doing some of the exercisesthat we have & do, it's wonderful.We were asked back toVienna two more times.We spoke there three times.We actually had an openinvitation after that.They basically said,come back anytime you want,anytime you're inEurope, please consider us.& then we got asked tothe United Nations in New Yorkby a similar group that did notknow about the ones in Vienna.It was incredible.The one in New York was the SEAT,the Society forEnlightenment & Transformation,kind of a club inside The Group,inside the United Nationsby the members of the United Nations.Any employee can join that.So that was a wider variety ofpeople, not quite as focused,but we spoke twice there.& again, had invitations to come back.But the reality is we werereaching small groups there.It was wonderful tospeak at the United Nations& to this day.& if your audience knows anybodywho has taught a class at the channelingat the United Nations in any facility,I'd love to know about itbecause I've asked this question before.I think I'm the only one.I believe indeed you are. I try to researchthat too & I think youare. Did they give you anyfeedback as to why they wanted to learn it?What were the reasons for it?What did they want to get out of it?They are much moreopen than you can imagine.The United Nations itself is a proclamationof wide acceptance of everything.They are light workers.There's no other way to put that.I know that there's a lotof political stuff going onwhere the United Nations is now the bad guy& they're doing this & that.My experience was wonderful.I would have loved tohave worked in a placethat was that completely open.& you see everybody.You see people walking around inbright colored things from Africa.You see other people over here,just a wide diversity of humanity.It was beautiful.I really enjoyed that.I enjoyed my several trips there.What Steve lies behind the veil & whyremembering matters now at this point inhistory of mankind ismore important than ever.I believe we're actually movingStan into the fifth dimension.We're moving into ahigher vibrational range.It's not a place.It's not a state.It's a frequency.& by us raising our frequency, it'sactually here now, butwe're not used to it.We're so accustomed toliving in the third dimension.The Group makes fun of us.They said you wake up every morning & youcreate the third dimensioninside the fifth dimension.We didn't think of that.They're always laughing at us that way,but basically we're conscious creators,we create what we want.When we start using some of the fifthdimensional attributes, whichis what we teach at our place.& many people are teaching all thishigher spirituality is giving us toolsfor anchoring the fifthdimension right now, for living,starting to live in parts of it& use it in a different way.& when we do, we're going to see allthis craziness that we see right now.I won't say that it's going to resolve.I think it's going tobecome much less important.That will be up here.It will be down here.Another illustration that The Group gavefor that was they said, youknow, the feminine is rising.& it's a wonderful thing becausehumanity needs the feminineenergy back on this planet again.We had it here, but we haveit completely out of balance.& the feminine has been rising.We see it happen.The last big one, ofcourse, was the Me Too movement.It was huge.All of a sudden, everybody's aware that wehave been abusing this energy.As that rises, we also see the masculineenergy, which is what we're seeing today,doing everything it can to hold it down, tokeep it from rising anymore.It's almost like it was takingover & it's not a fight.It's just we have to balance.We need both.But that's one of the thingsthat is happening right now.The Group likens it tothe Shakti & the Shiva.The Shakti has the Shiva.Well, I forgot which one it is.I think the Shiva comes in & destroyseverything so the Shakti can rebuild anew.Well, that pattern is happening.We're seeing things fall apart.We're seeing things change.We're seeing things that were veryimportant to us just a short time ago.It is important today, asthey were even a few weeks ago,things are moving at incredible pace& all we need to dois to reach out & talkto each other. If we hold hands, that'sexactly what you're doing, sir.You're doing an awesome job of making thisenergy spread out to other people sothey can take what theywant & empower themselves.If we do more of this,all this stuff goes away.If it's at all possible, could you, Steve,give a Reader's Digestversion of the12 Soul Lessons?You say, We all came here to master.& why is itimportant that we master them?What The Group saysabout this is interesting.They like to put thingsinto stories we can understand.So they kind of give us these images& these human stories.Of course, they don't exist the same wayon the other side of the veil.We're all part of each other.So it's very difficult to describe,but the primary lifelessons were an interesting wayThe Group told me.The way it developed was simple.I was doing private sessions.I was trying to support myself after myconstruction businessclosed.& The Group says, well, there arepeople that would love to talk to you.Why don't you makeprivate sessions available?This was a long time ago.This was the year 2000.So here I am trying to offer private--I've got a telephone set upat all to record everythingbecause I'm very technical.So I set everything up & Istarted doing private sessions.& after a while, I noticedthat when this problem wouldshow up, that I would have thesame answer for multiple people.& I was a littleconcerned about it at firstbecause I thought, well,maybe I'm making this up.Or maybe this isn't coming from spirit.& they said, no.They said, you don't understand.If you'll pay attention,there's an entire systemthat you can use.& that's when Ibecame aware that I alreadyhad this information fromdoing all these private sessions.I had done about 500private sessions at that time.& I basically took thatinformation & said, OK,when somebody has thisquestion, what does The Group normallycome back?Oh, that would be acceptance.So I gave a chapter on acceptance.Gave a chapter on adaptation, oncommunication, all definition,all right down through all 12,which are basic human things.There's nothing really mysterious about it.But we really work on one.Some of them are truth.How many people do you know working withtrust in this life lesson?We have just the basic ones.What The Group says is thatwe come in, we work with one,& usually two.Kind of like college goingto having a major& a minor.We take our main life lesson.& that's whereeverything's going to happen.All the things that are going totake place through us all focusin one direction.& then if we master that, we startworking in another one.So it's not like we just coast.We're here to learn, to evolve.That's what they said.They've also said that weworked many timesfor hundreds of lifetimeswithout mastering a life lesson.& that has changed.Now we havecapabilities of mastering two lifelessons in a single life.Everything is moving.& it's incredible.So that's what the 12primary life lessons is about.The book, of course, has moreabout the seven stages of life& a whole bunch of other aspects,kind of how The Groupviews human life.How, Steve, would yousuggest we mortalsgo about workingwith higherguidance in our everyday life?That is the key, everyday life.When I was raised,we had our spiritual Sunday.We went to church on Sunday.That was our spiritual day.It was a great habit tobring us back into that,but we need to walk inthis stuff every single day.It's not so much abouttaking a moment to be peacefulor taking a moment to find our center,even through meditation.It's really about how would we workif we were all connected?That's what's ultimatelyhappening in the fifth dimension.We're gonna feel each other.So if we feel each other all the time,it's gonna be much harder to do somethingthat hurts other people.Very simple.We're gonna startliving in a different realmall together & hopefully we'll startto get used to that.You Steve say thatchallenges should be navigatedas initiations, not punishments.What are your reasons for saying that?Look at any life,at any of your listeners,look at their life.& they look at some of the worst thingsthat happened to them.They'll also find thatthey had great changeas a result of it.Most of the major changes in lifehappen in a negative way in the beginningbecause we're notexpecting it, we're not used to it,we don't know how to adapt it,& we're attached to someimage we have of the future.If we let it go & just flow through life,everything becomes easier.The Group gave me a very important lessonI repeat it all the timebecause I need to learn it.If you're walking through a mud puddle,there's one secret, keep walking.Can you explain humanity's currentevolutionary leap fromThe Group's perspective?We have all thisinformation about ETs, the i3 atlas,all this stuff thathas taken place.We had ETs show up overPhoenix the other day again.So, we're having thishappen all the time now.What is taking place is we are evolving.& that has, there are beings inthroughout the cosmosthat are more advancedfrom us technologically,maybe even spiritually,certainly withcommunications & waves of life.But there's none thathave shifted dimensionslike we are in the process of doing.It's almost as if, well, letme give you an illustration.Let's say that AI starts togrow & we start to nurture it& it starts to turninto a sentient being.& we end up leaving the planet& leaving AI to develop on its own,to turn into something.& then we return many years later& find that it's developed& it's actually readyto take another level,another huge leap that is causing attentionthroughout the universe.That's why we have so many beings on.The focus is on us.First thing I asked theGroup about the 3i Atlas,they only said onething about the whole thing.They said, You are being watched.Simple& we know that.The government can deny it all we want.There's too much of it.It's happening everywhere, every time.Your online community,Espavo, has inspired millions.When Steve was it founded,what was your motivation,your inspiration for founding it,what are its goals, its mandate,& is there a backstoryto the name you gave it?We started originally as Lightworker.Remember I said that around the fire,that's all I could saywas I will be a Lightworker.We actually registeredthe domain Lightworker& had it for many yearsuntil I got into a legal battlewith MGM Studios& hadto leave that one alone.But the name of thecompany was always Espavo.& the reason for that was a channelthat we did back in 1998in Baltimore, Maryland.I still have it on audio.They told thisbeautiful story about Lemuria& this young man whowas living in Lemuria& how he was growing up& what it was like to live in Lemuriabecause they haddifferent energies back then.We had open heart chakraswhere we felt everything from everybody& we learned to make it work.We always walked throughlife holding hands with peoplebecause it worked.So it was really an unusual thing.One of the things they said,they told this beautifulstory about they had a custom.The custom was that we wouldfind somebody older than usthat would help ustransition when our time came,or excuse me, younger than us.So that if we decided to leave the planet,they would come wherever they were& they would help us leave the planet.& that was done.Anyway, that's wherethe word Espavo came from.This was being done by Amorwho was the lead character& he was called in tohelp his charge cross over.& the gentleman said,before I go, I wannaleave something behind.He was a linguist whostudied the ancient languagesof Lemuria.& he said, I wanna bring something back& it's the word Espavo.We used to use the wordEspavo for hello & goodbye,kind of like chow oraloha, something of that nature.& literally translated,it means thank you for takingyour power & not giving it.So that was the basis of it.I took the word fromthat channel, registered it,trademarked it so I wouldn't lose it again.Did the whole thing.I trademarked theother one too, but anyway,you don't push the rivers.Sometimes it's just easy.That's where the word Espavo came from.& we still use it.We've registered the newwebsite under SteveRother.org.& the reason we didthat interestingly is Espavois a word that's very hard to say.So it's beenSteveRother.orgever since.Are there any messages from The Groupyou have not as yetspoken about in ourinterview that you feel isimportant for my audience to know,if so, could you pleasetell me what they are?The biggest thing that The Group is talkingabout right now is this evolution.There's two aspects of it.I'm going to use a similar word for both.They fit in both, but they're different.One is multidimensional, which means thatwe are in multiple lives at the same time.There's many, there's 11 of us.They actually, again, put it into wordsthat we can understand.It's actually infinite, but we have aproblem understanding infinity.So they basically say it's groups of 12.You have the higher self in the middle& 11 different dimensions.All you making different choices,different opportunities.Over here, you're marriedwith 2.3 children over here.You're single.You're extremelyreligious over here &over here, you're an atheist.So you get to experience a wide variety ofhumanity with the same experience.& that is interesting.We didn't really need to know that it'sinteresting, but now we need to know thatbecause the walls that separate thosedimensions are starting to thin.& we're starting to be able to blend intoother dimensions of our time space.It's not necessarily that we're going tomeet another you, but we're going to runinto people that know the other you.We are going to enter into that worldoccasionally & have thoughts,ideas, thingscrossover from one to the other.Well, Mandela effects are fascinatingthing, but on its own, it's reallyinteresting to study.But the reality is the Group says that isthe dimensional walls thinning,because it'sbasically about remembering.This is what I grew up with.Coca-Cola always had this dash in between& over here & another dimension.It has something else.It's not the dash.It's a little lower.Another dimension.It's something else.Well, if we only lived in the onedimension, we wouldn't behaving the Mandela effect.But now we're having the Mandela effectbecause we don't knowwhich one we're seeing.& it's all over the place.So that's something towatch for & be excited about.Should viewers ofParanormal Yakkerwant to buySpiritual Psychology:The Twelve PrimaryLife Lessons,which is a powerful guide to soul growth& personal empowerment.Learn of the other booksyou've authored, your courses, workshops,retreats, &online community Espavo,how can they do that?SteveRother.org. It's all there.We have aYouTube Channel,EspavoTV,but you can find allthe links atSteveRother.org.We have a podcast that we do.I'd love to talk to you sometime aboutbeing on my podcast because you're afascinating guy, butnonetheless, we have a podcast.We have a lot of things& if you go toSteveRother.org& you go up in the upperright hand corner,there's a big thingit saysfree backstage pass.If you sign up for afree backstage pass,you get all the free stuff that we offer& access to a lot of other things.So that would be the first step.Take a look at that.If it resonates with you,you can take other courses.We have other things that we can do there.We also have a monthly Q&A on YouTubewhere I actuallygo into a livechannel & answer thesequestions fromThe Group.Steve Rother, I thankyou for being my guest.on Paranomal Yakker.Yakking with you has beena fascinating experience& I do appreciate you sharingyour incredible spiritualjourney with my audience.Thank you.Thank you, my friend. It's been a real joy.