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Unlocking Zodiac Archetypes
What if your birth chart is less about fate and more about leverage? We sit down with professional astrologers Carmen Turner Schott and Bernie Ashman to unpack a clear, modern path to self-understanding—one that blends Jungian archetypes, practical psychology, and the karmic threads of past life patterns. From the first minutes, they translate symbols into everyday choices: how to move from reactivity to assertion, how to set boundaries without losing empathy, and how to turn insight into steady change.
Carmen and Bernie break down the architecture of a chart—planets as drivers, signs as style, houses as the stage—and show why two similar charts can still result in wildly different lives. Their tour of the twelve archetypes makes each sign feel fresh and useful: Aries as the hero, Cancer as the caregiver, Leo as the artist, Scorpio as the magician, Aquarius as the outlaw, Pisces as the innocent. They also demystify the lunar nodes, the 12th house, Saturn, and Pluto, reframing them as guides for transformation rather than cosmic punishers. You’ll hear how node pairs map core lessons like relationship karma, creativity and individuality, knowledge and exploration, and the balance of family and career.
We also dive into intuition—the “sixth sense”—and how everyone can cultivate it through simple practices that honor their elemental style. Whether you’re a skeptic or a seasoned student, this conversation treats astrology as a practical toolkit: learn your sun, moon, and rising, identify recurring patterns, and make small, honest shifts that compound into real freedom. By the end, you’ll have a grounded understanding of how to use archetypes and nodes to clarify identity, heal old patterns, and take the next right step.
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<b>Hi everyone, I'm Stan Mallow.</b><b>Welcome to Paranormal Yakker.</b><b>My guests on today's show are</b><b>professional astrologists</b><b>Carmen Turner Schott & Bernie Ashman,</b><b>I'll be talking with them about their book,</b>
<b>Astrology's Zodiac Archetypes:</b><b>Using Your Sixth Sense</b><b>to Transform Past Life Patterns.</b><b>Carmen Turner Schott & Bernie Ashman,</b><b>welcome to Paranormal Yakker.</b><b>Thanks for having us. Thank you.</b><b>The esoteric world has many branches,</b><b>astrology being one of them.</b><b> That's the branch</b><b>to which you both gravitated.</b><b>Could you Carmen & Bernie tell me what</b><b>was there about the field of astrology that</b><b>drew you so deeply into it?</b><b>I first started studying</b><b>astrology was when I was 16.</b><b>I grew up in the Midwest.</b><b>I was not raised to believe</b><b>in these supernatural things,</b><b>but I always was interested</b><b>in things that were different. & I had these</b><b>experiences I could not explain.</b><b>A short version is I woke</b><b>up in the middle of the night & I saw</b><b>a glowing ball of light in my doorway</b><b>when I was 16. No one could explain</b><b>that to me. Even my mother saw it</b><b>& she did not know what to say.</b><b>After that, I grabbed every book</b><b>I could about aliens, UFOs, astrology,</b><b>& learned that I was a Virgo.</b><b>Started learning to do charts by hand.</b><b>This was 1993. & I just realized</b><b>this validates my experience</b><b>& this is a powerful tool of </b><b>self-awareness. & man, I wanna learn</b><b>everything I can about astrology.</b><b>& so I just started doing that</b><b>& I've been doing it ever since.</b><b>So that's kind of the short version for me.</b><b>I went to a college in Florida, at the</b><b>University of Florida,</b><b>& I was really interested in psychology,</b><b>read different books about it.</b><b>& I had a professor there</b><b>who was one of the leaders</b><b>in humanistic psychology, Sidney Gerard.</b><b>Somehow he got me really</b><b>thinking about symbols. & in 1973,</b><b>I ran across a book by Dane Rudhyar</b><b>called The Astrology of Personality,</b><b>& I was completely hooked.</b><b>I think what I love about astrology,</b><b>what drew me into it,</b><b>it has a way of defining us, not trying </b><b>to say we have to be a certain way,</b><b>but the symbolism in it</b><b>certainly gives different options</b><b>for our personality, our careers,</b><b>just the kind of people we like to be with.</b><b>I think the thing that</b><b>really brought me into it,</b><b>as I got into it in 1974, '75,</b><b>I've done thousands of</b><b>charts for people over the years.</b><b>I've been in it a long time.</b><b>What I thought was fascinating was the way </b><b>it cuts through a lot of things.</b><b>I'm not trying to say</b><b>traditional psychology</b><b>that there's anything wrong with it,</b><b>but sometimes when I've worked with people,</b><b>do charts for them,</b><b>it seems like I was hitting quicker</b><b>just because of the energies in a chart.</b><b>To me, it's just a very</b><b>valuable tool to help people.</b><b>& then I went out there</b><b>& was able to really help people</b><b>by just translating these symbols.</b><b>It's a powerful language,</b><b>it's a beautiful language,</b><b>& sometimes it's not so easy to</b><b>understand it at first</b><b>when people are trying to learn it.</b><b>I was really grateful that I</b><b>picked it up as fast as I did,</b><b>but it still took some</b><b>practice to work with people.</b><b>I guess my passion just got brought out</b><b>because it just seemed to</b><b>express me in my writing</b><b>as I went on to</b><b>publish books like Carmen,</b><b>The Talks I've Done.</b><b>It just seemed to bring everything together</b><b>about how the universe works.</b><b>Each of you has written a number</b><b>of successful astrology books.</b><b>What was the motivating</b><b>factor about this subject matter</b><b>in Astrology's Zodiac Archetypes</b><b>that brought you together</b><b>to collaborate on the book?</b><b>Bernie & I, we both love Carl Jung</b><b>& astrology & psychology</b><b>& transformation & healing.</b><b>& we both are eighth house people, which</b><b>is all about transformation</b><b>& healing & rebirth,</b><b>past lives & all those things.</b><b>We call Bernie the past life whisperer.</b><b>That's what Bernie said with his book,</b><b>he's able to tap into people's past life</b><b>patterns & write about it & help</b><b>each sign understand what they're learning</b><b>& balancing & mastering in</b><b>this life, things that are connected to</b><b>past lives. Our love of Carl Jung</b><b>& the archetypes of each sign, their</b><b>strengths, their personality traits.</b><b>We wanted to bring together that in a basic</b><b>way & then mix in the past</b><b>life patterns with each of the archetypes.</b><b>Bernie had already written a lot of books</b><b>about this topic & we thought,</b><b>let's just do a book together & merge it.</b><b>& that's kind of what we did.</b><b>I just kind of added my stuff to what he</b><b>had done & we kind of blended it</b><b>& we got our book.</b><b>What's exciting about</b><b>writing with Carmen on this book,</b><b>it's that we wanted to</b><b>bring a book to the public</b><b>where they wouldn't have to fight</b><b>through the language of astrology.</b><b>In other words, they</b><b>could put it to instant use.</b><b>Carl Jung wrote a lot about</b><b>the collective unconscious,</b><b>where these archetypes reside.</b><b>They're very primitive instincts,</b><b>but for us, we're modern astrologers.</b><b>& for instance, like Aries,</b><b>one of the archetypes</b><b>for that would be the hero.</b><b>& we just wanted to show how,</b><b>from a past life sense of</b><b>these patterns for an Aries,</b><b>whatever they are, it's not like we're</b><b>trapped in these patterns, but sometimes</b><b>we wanna move beyond them.</b><b>We wanna transform them.</b><b>So we showed how to do that in the book.</b><b>It's a really straightforward book.</b><b>Instead of having to just</b><b>be some kind of philosophy</b><b>that you can't get your hands on,</b><b>we'd bring a person right</b><b>into the book very quickly.</b><b>I think people will really enjoy it,</b><b>but that's sort of my</b><b>version of what the book is like.</b><b>Can you explain the</b><b>importance of astrology's role</b><b>in one's personal growth & development?</b><b>None of us are perfect,</b><b>& that's a big deal.</b><b>We all came here, whether you</b><b>believe in past lives or not,</b><b>we're all here to learn</b><b>certain things about ourselves.</b><b>I think the beauty of</b><b>astrology is it shows different,</b><b>you could say, challenges</b><b>we came here to transform.</b><b>It doesn't mean we came</b><b>here to get stuck in them.</b><b>We really wanted to come here</b><b>to go beyond, say one of the patterns</b><b>I see in somebody's chart says,</b><b>they have a real angry outburst</b><b>because their adrenaline's really pumped.</b><b>Maybe they are an</b><b>Aries or another fire sign.</b><b>Maybe they're trying to</b><b>learn how to balance that</b><b>so that it can be assertive</b><b>rather than having to always</b><b>push for their way.</b><b>Astrology really does</b><b>show in different ways</b><b>how to modify certain behaviors.</b><b>Say I'm not assertive.</b><b>Maybe I'm an Aries that's</b><b>always letting other people</b><b>take advantage of me too much.</b><b>In a person's chart, as an Aries,</b><b>there's ways to get beyond</b><b>that, to really be who you are.</b><b>Aries is all about identity, who I am.</b><b>That's just one example, one sign.</b><b>Each sign has particular</b><b>talent to transform anything.</b><b>Sometimes certain signs get a bad rap,</b><b>like Virgo or Scorpio.</b><b>I'm not just trying to pick on those signs.</b><b>My wife's a Gemini & sometimes she'll go,</b><b>Why do they always have</b><b>to say a Gemini is shallow?</b><b>We're deep thinkers.</b><b>The true astrology, the best,</b><b>has an evolutionary tone to it.</b><b>We want to evolve.</b><b>We want to become who we are, basically.</b><b>Maybe we don't have to change the world,</b><b>but we want to be happy</b><b>inside of our own body.</b><b>We want to know who we are.</b><b>So I think that's the beauty</b><b>of the kind of work</b><b>Carmen & I are doing together.</b><b>In a way, we're simplifying astrology</b><b>without making it sound</b><b>like it's trite or silly.</b><b>We still don't have that depth</b><b>in what we're presenting to people,</b><b>but we want to make it palatable</b><b>so you can just take it in, enjoy it,</b><b>& move on with your life.</b><b>That's basically what I do for people</b><b>when I do a personal</b><b>session, to tell you the truth.</b><b>For those who may not be totally</b><b>knowledgeable about birth charts,</b><b>can you tell me exactly</b><b>what is a birth chart?</b><b>A birth chart is set</b><b>for the month, day, & year of</b><b>your birth, you're born, the birth time,</b><b>longitudinal & latitude where you're born.</b><b>It sets up this wheel</b><b>where the planets sit in signs</b><b>& then there's these</b><b>12 astrological houses.</b><b>The planets are like how we direct action.</b><b>The signs describe how</b><b>we might go about it.</b><b>The houses are like act one, scene one,</b><b>where our life takes</b><b>place with relationships,</b><b>careers, how we communicate,</b><b>how we want to earn a living,</b><b>all this kind of stuff.</b><b>I describe it as a blueprint about us.</b><b>It shows what's going on within us,</b><b>how we might want to</b><b>externalize those themes</b><b>in all different sorts of ways.</b><b>What I found really</b><b>fascinating about astrology is,</b><b>even if you have two</b><b>people that have similar charts,</b><b>there's so many different</b><b>ways that they might act it out.</b><b>We're not stuck with one</b><b>particular way of doing it.</b><b>But a birth chart is like a</b><b>map of what we came here to do.</b><b>It describes in many different ways</b><b>how we might go about</b><b>achieving peace of mind,</b><b>how we might find our true passion in life,</b><b>how we might find that</b><b>soulmate we're looking for,</b><b>all different sorts of</b><b>things, past life things.</b><b>They're spelled out in a birth chart</b><b>if you know how to interpret them.</b><b>That's just a little bit.</b><b>The way I describe it is that</b><b>the moment time, place, of your</b><b>birth, when you're looking up at the sky</b><b>from earth, we take a</b><b>picture of the sky at that</b><b>moment time, place of birth</b><b>& it's an energy in the sky, all</b><b>the planets in a certain star</b><b>constellation, which are one of the</b><b>12 zodiac signs, & all of</b><b>the planets in a certain area</b><b>of the sky, which we break into</b><b>12 sections like a pie. We take a picture</b><b>of the sky & we put</b><b>it on a piece of paper.</b><b>It's a wheel. It's symbols.</b><b>The planets have symbols, the signs have</b><b>symbols, & they're all in one</b><b>of the 12 houses, which rule the different</b><b>areas of life where we</b><b>express ourselves career, home, family,</b><b>marriage, partnership,</b><b>how we make money, how we get a</b><b>fulfillment & happiness.</b><b>All these maps of the soul,</b><b>I call them can be slightly different</b><b>because you take a picture of</b><b>the sky & the moment time, place of birth</b><b>for twins, they're born maybe</b><b>30 minutes apart.</b><b>Tne Moon sign can change every</b><b>2 to 3 days. That's why</b><b>that Moon sign dependent on</b><b>the time & place of birth could</b><b>switch into a new sign for one of those</b><b>twins. So they'll have</b><b>very different emotional natures.</b><b>Then sometimes they have</b><b>identical charts. But then</b><b>people often ask, well, how is</b><b>that the same chart, they're</b><b>born the same time, they're</b><b>twins. Well, we bring past life lessons in</b><b>our soul has learning</b><b>& our soul is different than</b><b>everybody else's soul. That's</b><b>why the chart is very similar,</b><b>but we bring our own past life</b><b>patterns & lessons into this</b><b>life. That's why everyone always</b><b>asked me about twins, because</b><b>they're born really so close</b><b>there. It can change. The rising sign</b><b>changes signs every two hours.</b><b>I mean, it really can make a</b><b>difference when you're</b><b>born knowing the time is</b><b>important, because that's how</b><b>we'll get an accurate chart of</b><b>where all the planets are</b><b>& what house they're in.</b><b>& that is where we can say, Oh, this is</b><b>where this energy expresses in</b><b>the world. The natal chart or</b><b>birth chart never changes.</b><b>That's your mission. That's</b><b>your personality. That's how you think,</b><b>how you love, how you feel,</b><b>your traits, your strengths,</b><b>your weaknesses, it's who you</b><b>are, & it doesn't change.</b><b>There's many different types of</b><b>charts, which you know, Bernie</b><b>& I could talk about that are</b><b>different charts that we use to help see</b><b>what's impacting you for</b><b>the next few years or day to day those are</b><b>transit charts. That's</b><b>always fun to do. & then</b><b>there's relationship charts</b><b>where you can take your chart with your</b><b>partner's chart & you</b><b>put it on top of each other,</b><b>we call it synastry charts.</b><b>& then we analyze how you affect</b><b>each other for good & bad</b><b>& who maybe likes who more</b><b>who's driving somebody nuts you can</b><b>see all of these challenges</b><b>& strengths of why you're</b><b>attracted to certain people why you may</b><b>struggle with certain</b><b>people & relationships</b><b>based on how you show love how you</b><b>communicate your main trait can be very</b><b>compatible & sometimes</b><b>a little bit challenging with certain</b><b>people. That's what we</b><b>use it for is a tool of</b><b>personality to validate what you</b><b>already know about yourself. So I know</b><b>Bernie probably feels the</b><b>same way every time I do a</b><b>chart I'm just validating what</b><b>people know about themselves.</b><b>I did a chart today & she said,</b><b>Wow, that's me & like, & how do you</b><b>know this? I'm like,</b><b>it's your chart, it's energy.</b><b>Astrology to me is energy.</b><b>& we have all 12 signs in our</b><b>chart somewhere in that birth wheel,</b><b>that we can harness.</b><b>We have all 12 archetypes in our</b><b>book that we can harness. If</b><b>we want to be more like an Aries</b><b>hero warrior, we can look</b><b>& see where's Aries on the wheel</b><b>when we're born, what house</b><b>is it on, we can tap into that</b><b>energy. We can really learn</b><b>from all 12 archetypes 12 zodiac signs.</b><b>I said it's perfect for what</b><b>I'm going to be asking it out.</b><b>If at all possible,</b><b>can you give a brief synopsis</b><b>of the 12 Sun signs & their archetypes?</b><b>Aries, the archetype for that is the hero,</b><b>which makes a lot of sense in a way,</b><b>because it's a very spontaneous fire sign.</b><b>The 2nd one, Taurus. Carl Jung defined it</b><b>as a regular person. Taurus is an earth</b><b>sign. It's a stabilizing force, earth.</b><b>& it's like when somebody says, well,</b><b>what you see, what you see is what you're</b><b>really getting from me.</b><b>Taurus is a peaceful sign in a lot of ways.</b><b>Now, something may alter that, you know,</b><b>when you get a whole chart done.</b><b>Gemini, Jung had an archetype called the</b><b>Jester, & we felt that was a good one to</b><b>match with Gemini, because Gemini has so</b><b>many different ways to communicate.</b><b>They're a powerful perception,</b><b>communication sign. & they have a way of</b><b>putting things into pictures or words.</b><b>& sometimes they're very humorous, the</b><b>way they do it. So we went with the Jester</b><b>on that. The 4th one was pretty obvious.</b><b>The caregiver, we assigned to the sign</b><b>Cancer, because the nurturing force of the</b><b>universe in all of us, if we have that, is</b><b>going to come through the sign Cancer.</b><b>The planet connected to Cancer is the Moon.</b><b>The caregiver, wanting to</b><b>be protective of our friends.</b><b>It's like that protective element in us</b><b>that wants to care for our</b><b>pets, our plants, our people.</b><b>The fifth one, the artist, we assigned to</b><b>Leo because of the Leo, & number five,</b><b>the fifth sign has to do with self</b><b>expression & creativity.</b><b>You're going to make a dream come first,</b><b>come alive. You have to really believe in</b><b>it. Leo is willpower,</b><b>willing something to happen.</b><b>& also the artist is really just</b><b>creativity that comes out</b><b>of Leo. So we went with that.</b><b>Sage, the sixth one, we put it with Virgo</b><b>because there is something about Virgo</b><b>that knows how to sum things up for people.</b><b>It's funny, my father was a Virgo & I was</b><b>this fiery kid, realistic,</b><b>Sagittarian, I am, & I have a lot of</b><b>Pisces in my chart, but there was something</b><b>philosophical about him. He was a Virgo.</b><b>I didn't see it right away until I got a</b><b>little bit older that I could appreciate</b><b>it. He had kind of a calming influence.</b><b>You don't have to do it all at once.</b><b>Each day is important. If you make a</b><b>mistake one day, you can make up for the</b><b>next. Or if you mess up a</b><b>week, you can come up later.</b><b>There's just something practical</b><b>& pragmatic about the sign</b><b>Virgo. So we put Sage with Virgo.</b><b>The seventh sign is Libra.</b><b>Libra is always known to be associated</b><b>with partnership & love relationship.</b><b>They're the lover archetype.</b><b>They rule the seventh house.</b><b>So it's all about compromise & justice</b><b>& equality & fairness.</b><b>But they also love to</b><b>beauty & love & creativity.</b><b>You know, they're the lover.</b><b>& then Scorpio is always known to be a</b><b>mysterious sign, deep & transformative</b><b>& secretive & private & healing.</b><b>So they're the magician associated with</b><b>death & rebirth,</b><b>bringing things to life & magic.</b><b>Scorpios are a powerful water sign that is</b><b>transformative type of a sign.</b><b>A lot of them are interested in psychology,</b><b>helping people with</b><b>their problems & astrology</b><b>& all these things.</b><b>Then we have the explorer archetype, which</b><b>is definitely Sagittarius. The traveler, </b><b>the wanderer, archetype seeker, the</b><b>explorer, going to far</b><b>away foreign countries</b><b>& lands & learning different languages</b><b>& different religions.</b><b>All of those exploration things of Sage.</b><b>They're the optimist.</b><b>Sage's are fire.</b><b>They like to be active & to roam.</b><b>Then we have Capricorn, which is always</b><b>known to be responsible & kind of as an</b><b>earth sign, very strict</b><b>& very into order & rules.</b><b>So they're the ruler of the archetype.</b><b>They like to make the rules.</b><b>They like to have certain practical,</b><b>realistic goals to achieve.</b><b>They're the boss, the leader, the</b><b>politician, the ruler.</b><b>Those are kind of the</b><b>archetype names for Capricorn.</b><b>They rule career, the public eye,</b><b>recognition, achievement in</b><b>astrology, the 10th house.</b><b>That really fits.</b><b>& then with Aquarius, they're known to be</b><b>the outlaw, the rebel, the revolutionary,</b><b>the misfit, because they're innovative.</b><b>They're an air sign,</b><b>but they're ruled by Uranus.</b><b>So they're all about being different,</b><b>thinking different, being non-traditional.</b><b>What's an outlaw?</b><b>Well, they go against what status quo they</b><b>rebel, kind of question authority.</b><b>Why do we have to do it that way?</b><b>Very much free-spirited, likes their</b><b>freedom & independence.</b><b>Doesn't want to be tied down.</b><b>It wants to be their unique self.</b><b>That's Aquarius.</b><b>& then Pisces ends</b><b>the Zodiac, the 12th sign.</b><b>& they are really deeply spiritual,</b><b>idealistic, imaginative, but are very</b><b>trusting, in my opinion.</b><b>& so we call them the innocent,</b><b>the innocent, the dreamer.</b><b>Pisces are associated with the 12th house,</b><b>dreams & sleep & imagination & art,</b><b>creativity, but also spirituality.</b><b>Having a spiritual belief</b><b>system is a Pisces thing.</b><b>Having faith in something</b><b>higher & bigger than themselves.</b><b>The collective unconscious, meditation,</b><b>astrology, all these things are very, very</b><b>interesting for a Pisces.</b><b>They also compassionate.</b><b>They feel people's pain.</b><b>They're very kind.</b><b>That's where they get</b><b>the innocent archetype.</b><b>They're very trusting.</b><b>They can get hurt because of that.</b><b>So they need to learn to have boundaries</b><b>to see people with normal glasses, not rose</b><b>colored glasses on.</b><b>Those are the last six there</b><b>& their archetype energies.</b><b>How does astrology show our past lifetimes?</b><b>When you get a chart done, the last book</b><b>the two of us published came out to the</b><b>same publisher O-Books in London called</b><b>Astrology's Magical Nodes of the Moon.</b><b>The nodes of the Moon, they're opposite</b><b>each other in a chart. There's one looks</b><b>like a pair of headphones like you have on</b><b>right side up headphones. That's the north</b><b>node of the Moon. The south node</b><b>is like an upside down pair of</b><b>headphones. They're two symbols. They play</b><b>off of each other in a person's chart.</b><b>The north node is said to represent what</b><b>we've come here to do like a new theme of</b><b>some sort. The south node is said to</b><b>represent past life power of some sort.</b><b>What we hope is it doesn't have so much</b><b>power over us that we can't</b><b>break out of it. So it's a transformative</b><b>energy if we tune into it. That's the main</b><b>thing. For instance, I'm a</b><b>North node in Taurus person.</b><b>That's where I get my Taurus energy</b><b>through the North node. That's what I said</b><b>about earlier. It's a stabilizing energy.</b><b>I have the South node in Scorpio, which can</b><b>be pretty intense when I'm</b><b>writing I'm very intense</b><b>there's something happens to me. I really</b><b>get into it. Scorpio has to do with depth</b><b>going into the deepest part of life.</b><b>It's a very psychological energy.</b><b>What you don't want to do in Scorpio is</b><b>create a crisis just to create one. I tell</b><b>people that if they have nodes like mine.</b><b>Want to balance it because sometimes we</b><b>want to disrupt just</b><b>to disrupt your Scorpio.</b><b>& there's not necessarily anything wrong</b><b>with that. But if you're doing it too much,</b><b>you kind of drain other people & you</b><b>drain yourself. So the main thing is</b><b>With these opposites. They're really</b><b>important. That's usually the first thing</b><b>I look at the nodes of the Moon.</b><b>If you get a whole chart done. We were</b><b>talking about the 12 houses.</b><b>The 12th house of a chart. I'll keep it</b><b>simple. It's like the mothership of past</b><b>lives. It's where the're emanating</b><b>from in the chart. It's like a heartbeat</b><b> in the chart. Whether you have any planets</b><b> in there or not there's different ways</b><b> to interpret. We all have a 12th house.</b><b>This is that part is we were talking about</b><b>this based on the birth time, month, day</b><b>& year, longitude & latitude, you get</b><b>the wheel done. That's</b><b>going to give you some.</b><b>There's certain planets like Saturn.</b><b>Sometimes Saturn gets a bad rap. It used</b><b>to be called the karmic task master.</b><b>There's a way to really interpret that or</b><b>no to find out if you're going to be</b><b>grounded that planet is like</b><b>an anchor to get something done.</b><b>It's time management is what Saturn is.</b><b>It's defining ourselves.</b><b>But sometimes I'm probably dating myself</b><b>here, but I used to have vinyl records</b><b>& they'd have a scratch in them. & every</b><b>time that turntable, we go around</b><b>& hit that scratch.</b><b>That's how Saturn can be inside of us. It's</b><b>trying to tell us something. Maybe we're</b><b>doing something wrong that</b><b>we came here to get right.</b><b>Saturn can be too controlling. Maybe it's</b><b>saying laugh a little bit. You don't have</b><b>to control people. You don't have to be a</b><b>workaholic. You can let up a little bit.</b><b>Make time for some pleasure.</b><b>This is Saturn kind of thing.</b><b>One other thing is Pluto. Pluto is rebirth</b><b>in a lot of ways in transformation.</b><b>Sometimes it gets a bad rap too.</b><b>Growth comes a lot of times through Pluto</b><b>in a chart. It's like we find the deepest</b><b>part of ourselves. It's our passion really</b><b>for life. It's a wonderful thing. It can</b><b>just be our passionate</b><b>way of expressing ourselves.</b><b>But the nodes of the Moon are the great way</b><b>to start with. That's why we wrote a whole</b><b>book on it. We wanted to show the past life</b><b>patterns associated with those opposites</b><b>& how to transform.</b><b>Just through that, you can tell there's an</b><b>awful lot in a chart. It's like a vast</b><b>ecosystem. Sometimes people</b><b>show pictures of the brain.</b><b>& we know very little about the brain. It's</b><b>what most neurologists say. Sometimes</b><b>you have to find the right wiring in a brain</b><b>if you're going to help somebody</b><b>when you're operating on them.</b><b>Well, what a chart does is that blueprint.</b><b> It shows where a lot of our wiring is.</b><b>What we can tap into. How we can</b><b>transform through it. We've used the word</b><b>transform a lot in this interview.</b><b>But a lot of times that's what it takes. We</b><b>live in 2025. This has been an evolutionary</b><b>year for my clients. I can't tell you how</b><b>many people I've seen that wanted to</b><b>make that next step to change something.</b><b>It doesn't mean they aren't good people.</b><b>They just want to tweak something.</b><b>& sometimes that's what this is all about.</b><b>Just making a mild shift.</b><b>Marianne Williamson. I bought one of her</b><b>books. I wanted to know</b><b>what she meant by a miracle.</b><b>& she had a very simple definition.</b><b>She called it an altered perception.</b><b>& very much of the time is what a chart</b><b> shows. How to get that altered perception.</b><b> How to just change it a little bit.</b><b>To maybe see a little bit clearer when</b><b>you're trying to look for a clearer</b><b>perception of your life.</b><b>Each pair is here to help us balance</b><b>& learn a special lessons.</b><b>Aries & Libra nodes of the</b><b>Moon for past lives & our soul mission.</b><b>I call these the nodes of relationship karma.</b><b>Those are just basic things here. Taurus</b><b>Scorpio nodes. I find these</b><b>are the nodes of transformation,</b><b>healing, forgiveness, letting go.</b><b>A lot of change when you have those</b><b>nodes, you have to learn to</b><b>let go & forgive & heal. & Gemini</b><b>Sagittarius nodes are the nodes of</b><b>knowledge. They love to</b><b>learn & communicate & explore in</b><b>different ways. & then</b><b>Cancer Capricorn nodes, I call</b><b>these the nodes of family karma. Learning</b><b>to balance home & family</b><b>with your work & career.</b><b>Learning karma with your parents, your</b><b>grandparents, your kids, your husband,</b><b>your responsibilities with</b><b>families, family karma. Leo & Aquarius,</b><b>I find, you know, these are</b><b>the nodes of self-expression,</b><b>creativity, being unique, finding your way</b><b>in the world & doing</b><b>something that is self-expression</b><b>in some way. Having fun, pleasure,</b><b>creativity, innovation.</b><b>& then the Virgo Pisces nodes are</b><b>the nodes, I call these the nodes of</b><b>service. Practical service</b><b>& spiritual service. Learning</b><b>to balance those. Being idealistic with</b><b>being realistic</b><b>& practical & learning to be of</b><b>service in those ways & balancing those.</b><b>So those are the 12</b><b>& each sign has a pair or a</b><b>polar opposite. Like Bernie was saying,</b><b>the North node is where we</b><b>don't really feel comfortable</b><b>when we're first starting out & we're</b><b>here to start moving towards</b><b>that energy & embracing it</b><b>& balancing it out with our South node,</b><b>which is our past lifetime</b><b>patterns & energies. Things</b><b>we've already mastered. We feel cozy</b><b>& comfortable in the South node</b><b>of the Moon because that's where</b><b>our soul's already mastered & bend</b><b>& strengths. Also healing</b><b>nodes. Things we need to heal.</b><b>& as we get into the north node, we're</b><b>here just to find a balance</b><b>between both & be comfortable</b><b>doing both. That's the past lives.</b><b>That's really a lot about past</b><b>lives in our chart has to do with</b><b>those nodes & those signs, strengths</b><b>& weaknesses</b><b>& learning. & then what house</b><b>the nodes are in is the area of life we're</b><b>learning to master</b><b>& learning to move towards.</b><b>If your north node's in the 7th house of</b><b>marriage & partnership</b><b>& your South nodes in the first</b><b>house, that means you're learning</b><b> to let go of being self-reliant</b><b>& independent & allow</b><b>yourself to have commitment</b><b>& relationship. Allow yourself to</b><b>compromise & rely on others & get</b><b>comfortable with that. You don't have</b><b>to do everything on your own.</b><b>You're kind of balancing</b><b>that as you look at each house pair. You</b><b>can see the learning that you have from</b><b>past lives in this life.</b><b>Now when it comes to past</b><b>lives, I'm curious to know,</b><b>do we all indeed have past lives</b><b>or are there certain</b><b>souls who arrived there</b><b>& this is their first time around?</b><b>When I first got into astrology,</b><b>I don't know why this</b><b>happened because it was early on.</b><b>I started looking at charts</b><b>& I really got the feeling quickly.</b><b>I wasn't looking at one lifetime.</b><b>I was looking at several</b><b>lifetimes a person had.</b><b>Here's what I tell a person</b><b>when I'm working one-to-one with them.</b><b>Usually there are certain themes</b><b>they really came in</b><b>here to get clear about.</b><b>There's a connection to maybe 6 lifetimes</b><b>that they did this pattern</b><b>& they're trying to get past it.</b><b>It doesn't mean they</b><b>might've had hundreds of lives,</b><b>but it might only be six or seven</b><b>that they did this pattern & a group.</b><b>It's like a set of them.</b><b>Here's the key.</b><b>If you transform it in this life,</b><b>it corrects the whole thing.</b><b>It's not like it only corrects</b><b>one of those lifetimes</b><b>connected to this life.</b><b>I haven't met anybody yet</b><b>that's here for the first time.</b><b>I'm not trying to say that it's impossible.</b><b>You actually asked a question</b><b>I've never heard anybody ask,</b><b>good for you. It's a good question though.</b><b>I've never run into that.</b><b>Maybe I attract people</b><b>who have had several lives.</b><b>It's possible.</b><b>I know I've knocked around</b><b>quite a bit, past life wise.</b><b>I've always run into people like this,</b><b>they've had many different lives.</b><b>The interesting thing is though, at times,</b><b>I'll tell a person,</b><b>it doesn't mean you were</b><b>like this in every lifetime,</b><b>but there were six in particular</b><b>where you really struggled with this theme.</b><b>It could be three.</b><b>It might be eight.</b><b>It just seems to hit me.</b><b>I'm very intuitive.</b><b>It just seems to hit</b><b>me about how many times</b><b>somebody has gone through</b><b>the same thing. & you can tell</b><b>somebody is just tired of it.</b><b>They're exhausted from it.</b><b>Say somebody keeps</b><b>getting the same type of,</b><b>into the same type of relationship</b><b>& they're trying to break a pattern.</b><b>Maybe they get addicted to a person</b><b>who's not good for them.</b><b>& they give up on that.</b><b>But then they find themselves</b><b>with the same type of</b><b>person all over again.</b><b>They're trying to break the pattern.</b><b>& sometimes it isn't a past life pattern.</b><b>When I look closely at a chart,</b><b>I can tell it's something</b><b>that they really have wanted</b><b>to conquer in this particular lifetime.</b><b>It doesn't matter how many times</b><b>a person has done the pattern.</b><b>If you can nip it in the bud this time,</b><b>it set you free.</b><b>That's the beauty of it all.</b><b>& I think that's the healing energy</b><b>of even in any kind of</b><b>counseling situation,</b><b>whatever a person picks to help them.</b><b>in astrology it's the same thing.</b><b>People just feel so relieved</b><b>when they get out of a particular pattern.</b><b>Say somebody's got a gambling problem.</b><b>They take one risk after another</b><b>& it's caused problems with their family</b><b>because they can't stop gambling.</b><b>Maybe they've had that pattern before,</b><b>past life-wise, they go to the cliff,</b><b>they always wanna be near the cliff</b><b>& they should back up a little bit.</b><b>They don't need to keep</b><b>being so near the cliff,</b><b>they fall over.</b><b>Sometimes they really just need to sense</b><b>how to break out of that.</b><b>That's what's really, really pretty cool</b><b>about astrology I've always felt.</b><b>The answer is in a chart.</b><b>It doesn't mean</b><b>somebody's gonna transform it</b><b>just overnight.</b><b>It might take a lot of</b><b>practice to get good at it.</b><b>Just like if you're</b><b>gonna be good in any sport,</b><b>usually you have to really work at it</b><b>or any profession, whatever it is.</b><b>You asked a good question.</b><b>I would just say in my own work,</b><b>I've seen people really with multiple lives</b><b>It's not a question</b><b>of good astrological signs</b><b>or bad astrological signs.</b><b>The universe works through all of them.</b><b>There's power in each</b><b>astrological sign to transform.</b><b>If you get a chart done, you're gonna find</b><b>there's three main components in it.</b><b>The Sun, the Moon, & what's called the</b><b>rising sign, the ascendant.</b><b>That's the sign on the first house.</b><b>On the eastern horizon, when you're born,</b><b>there's a sign that's symbolized</b><b>on the first house of a chart.</b><b>That's your persona, your identity sign.</b><b>Your personal style.</b><b>The Moon says a lot about our instincts,</b><b>our intuition, our</b><b>emotional needs, thiskind of thing.</b><b>The Sun is like our ego, our</b><b>ego strength, our willpower.</b><b>So your first, middle, & last names</b><b>of your astrological identity,</b><b>it's really good to know those three even</b><b>because they really help you tune in</b><b>to who you are.</b><b>They're not the whole</b><b>package, but they're a beginning.</b><b>& I usually go over that with somebody</b><b>if they get their chart</b><b>done for the first time,</b><b>in particular.</b><b>Do you believe people can</b><b>remember their past lives?</b><b>& if they can, how would you recommend</b><b>they go about recalling it?</b><b>Some people actually go & have a past</b><b>life regression done.</b><b>I had that done once.</b><b>It was quite a experience.</b><b>It was many years ago.</b><b>What I find very</b><b>interesting about astrology is</b><b>it's a way to identify those patterns.</b><b>We talk a lot about patterns in our books.</b><b>I'm even wondering to do</b><b>a public lecture about it.</b><b>When you know what they are,</b><b>at least it gives you the material</b><b>to know how to change</b><b>something when you find out.</b><b>It's just like having the</b><b>knowledge, the information.</b><b>What would you want to do with it?</b><b>I'll go over a past</b><b>life pattern with somebody</b><b>& you can tell</b><b>they've already conquered it.</b><b>They're clear.</b><b>They don't even want to</b><b>go near that thing again.</b><b>It would trouble them being stuck in it.</b><b>But I'll bring another</b><b>one up & they'll go,</b><b>that's the other one</b><b>that I'm really dealing with</b><b>that I want to find</b><b>out how to deal with it.</b><b>& they said, they'll talk it to me.</b><b>They said, you've expressed</b><b>in a way that makes more sense</b><b>than the way I'm going over & in my head</b><b>that it's actually possible</b><b>to figure a way through this.</b><b>Sometimes it's just that we</b><b>don't want to beat ourselves up</b><b>over this.</b><b>It doesn't mean we're bad people</b><b>because we have a past</b><b>life pattern of some sort or something </b><b>we're trying to work through.</b><b>But sometimes it really helps to know</b><b>what we're dealing with.</b><b>That's the main thing,</b><b>to bring it to the surface.</b><b>A lot of my</b><b>clients want to know that</b><b>they're interested in past</b><b>life patterns, past life themes.</b><b>It's not all they want to know,</b><b>but they have other questions</b><b>for sure about other things.</b><b>But our books have focused on that.</b><b>So that's why we're</b><b>talking something about it today.</b><b>Does everyone have a sixth sense</b><b>& are certain signs more</b><b>intuitive than other signs?</b><b>I believe everybody has a sixth sense,</b><b>but everybody doesn't do it the same way,</b><b>or it doesn't come through the same way.</b><b>There are some signs, specifically</b><b>water signs like Pisces, Cancer,</b><b>& Scorpio that they may have a certain</b><b>sixth sense that is more a tie to emotion.</b><b>Other signs like air signs, their sixth</b><b>sense can come through insight or</b><b>thoughts or images in their mind.</b><b>Yes, I believe we all have a gut instinct.</b><b>I guess I call it kind of a soul survival</b><b>instinct, I believe as human beings, but</b><b>then some of us have a</b><b>heightened psychic sensitivity.</b><b>I do believe that then certain placements</b><b>like in the 12th house, eighth house,</b><b>& the water houses, the Sun, Moon,</b><b>there are different placements in your</b><b>chart can also bless you with</b><b>what I call sixth sense</b><b>gifts, intuition, that everybody has it.</b><b>Everybody has it.</b><b>They may not believe they have it, but it's</b><b>like even people that are skeptics</b><b>that don't really</b><b>believe in all these things.</b><b>I always say the quickest way to get a</b><b>skeptic not to be one is to do their</b><b>birth chart, because then they're like, how</b><b>did you know, how did you know that?</b><b>How did they, & they, & it's just</b><b>validating what they know about</b><b>themselves.</b><b>That's why it's so powerful.</b><b>I'll tell people, oh, Hey, you actually are</b><b>very intuitive & you really need to</b><b>trust your gut instinct.</b><b>& they're like, yeah, I always doubt</b><b>myself, but then I'm always know I'm</b><b>right when I feel something, you know,</b><b>I try to help different people tap into that</b><b>because not a lot of us are raised.</b><b>I know I wasn't to listen to my intuition</b><b>& I always have these sixth sense</b><b>feelings or these awareness of things or a</b><b>feeling something was going to happen</b><b>& nobody could explain it to me.</b><b>& they saw what's your imagination, but</b><b>really know it's actually like it saves us.</b><b>It's our inner voice.</b><b>I feel like it's our spirit talking to us.</b><b>Sometimes it could be our spirit guides or</b><b>angels talking to us to give us insight.</b><b>Yes, I believe we all have six senses.</b><b>I believe some signs have a</b><b>little bit more than others.</b><b>& then I also believe</b><b>you can learn to develop.</b><b>You can take classes & learn to develop</b><b>your sixth sense, your psychic</b><b>abilities to do meditation & yoga &</b><b>breathing exercises & art & creativity.</b><b>There's lots of ways to tap</b><b>into your psychic abilities.</b><b>I guess you could say.</b><b>How can studying astrology help</b><b>my viewers & what are some key</b><b>insights you would like</b><b>the audience to know about</b><b>astrology that they might not know?</b><b>Astrology is even in the Bible.</b><b>It's mentioned in the Bible several times,</b><b>the fixed signs of the Zodiac</b><b>or in the book of Revelation.</b><b>There's astrology since ancient times.</b><b>A lot of people think</b><b>astronomy existed before astrology,</b><b>but it didn't.</b><b>Astrology was around</b><b>before astronomy, really.</b><b>I always say that.</b><b>A lot of people are really surprised when</b><b>they get a chart done for the first time.</b><b>They had no idea what it could do.</b><b>Some people thought it could do it,</b><b>but they were still surprised.</b><b>To find out more about themselves, more</b><b>about maybe what their</b><b>career possibilities could be.</b><b>I would just say that it's</b><b>like a really old psychology.</b><b>One guy I know, an astrologer, called it</b><b>the oldest form of psychotherapy.</b><b>He was probably right.</b><b>It just goes back centuries,</b><b>& other civilizations used it.</b><b>They say Western astrology, that Carmen</b><b>& I practice, started around 300 BC.</b><b>One that they use in</b><b>India started about 1500 BC.</b><b>What we've done though is just kind of</b><b>bring it into modern times.</b><b>So it can be translated in a</b><b>way for people to make use of it.</b><b>It's a practical language.</b><b>I'm pretty pragmatic.</b><b>I like to put\ something to</b><b>use if I'm going to learn it.</b><b>It can be pragmatic.</b><b>It's very psychological.</b><b>It can show how to</b><b>bring out your intuition.</b><b>It's hard to label it really, because</b><b>there's a lot of</b><b>different ways it can be used.</b><b>My wife said one time, if I keep writing,</b><b>this was years ago,</b><b>people are going to copy</b><b>your style.</b><b>Do you really want that to happen?</b><b>I said, no they won't.</b><b>Because if you're going to become an</b><b>astrologer, you have</b><b>to find your own style.</b><b>Otherwise people are</b><b>going to think it's not real.</b><b>You may learn through a few books that</b><b>Carmen & I have</b><b>written, but sooner or later you</b><b>have to really do the work.</b><b>Astrology in a way shows people really a</b><b>lot about their own</b><b>identity, if they want to</b><b>know that.</b><b>We all came here to learn something,</b><b>to my opinion, into a lifetime.</b><b>On the soul level, I've told people that</b><b>we'll get a vision of</b><b>what we might be coming in</b><b>to do, & we might have taken a deep</b><b>breath on that soul level.</b><b>Maybe this was going to be a lifetime</b><b>where we were going to have to</b><b>do a lot of transforming,</b><b>but maybe not.</b><b>There's so much said about karma.</b><b>Sometimes it's over said,</b><b>because when you come right down to it,</b><b>everybody wants to</b><b>find a sense of happiness, a sense of</b><b>belonging, a sense of</b><b>inner peace, something to do in</b><b>the world that makes you feel good.</b><b>A chart covers all that.</b><b>It really does, I'm not making that up.</b><b>It's all in there.</b><b>It helped me walk a better path,</b><b>& I've helped, I know</b><b>Carmen has too, we've just</b><b>helped a lot of people find just a more</b><b>meaningful path at times.</b><b>It doesn't mean they're not smart.</b><b>They're not creative.</b><b>But there's always sometimes</b><b> there's just a missing</b><b>piece that when you get a chart done,</b><b>when you talk about insight,</b><b>there's an insight</b><b>in a chart just sitting there</b><b>to be tapped into.</b><b>It's a beautiful language.</b><b>What Carmen & Bernie,</b><b>do you hope readers of</b><b>Astrologies Zodiac Archetypes</b><b>learn from it?</b><b>Probably from my two cents I put in</b><b>is you can get a deeper</b><b>understanding of astrology</b><b>in a very clear language,</b><b>in a really down to earth</b><b>the way we presented it, the</b><b>way the book is structured.</b><b>You can get a deeper sense</b><b>of why you came into this life</b><b>in the first place.</b><b>A deeper understanding of symbols,</b><b>the way symbols talk to us,</b><b>the way the signs talk to us,</b><b>the way we've presented the book,</b><b>just like a birth chart, is a map.</b><b>The book itself is a map</b><b>for clear self understanding.</b><b>I would say basically if I</b><b>was gonna put it in a nutshell,</b><b>is probably the way I would express it.</b><b>Should viewers of Paranormal Yakker</b><b>want to buy</b></b><b>Using Your Sixth Sense</b><b>to Transform Past Life Patterns,</b><b>how can they do that?</b><b>Find it on Amazon.com</b><b>BarnesAndNoble.com</b><b>CollectiveInkBooks.com</b><b>any where books are sold,</b><b>www.booksamillion.com</b><b>on our websites,</b><b>CarmenTurnerSchott.com</b><b>& BernieAshman.com</b><b>In using your sixth sense, we make it clear</b><b>how to use that through these energies.</b><b>Carmen Turner Schott & Bernie Ashman</b><b>I thank you for being my guests on</b><b>Paranormal Yakker.</b><b>Yakking with the two of you</b><b>has been a great experience.</b><b>Thank you.</b>