Coyote Hunting Part 3 with Cody Sanchez

Coyotes don’t read gear reviews, and they don’t slow down when they hit your call. We’re closing out our coyote hunting series with Cody Sanchez by getting brutally practical about what consistently puts fur on the ground in real Pacific Northwest terrain. If you’ve ever wondered why a rifle setup feels “right” but still loses fast-moving coyotes in brush and timber, we break down when a shotgun is the smarter tool, what loads we trust, and how to think about range, recovery, and ethics before you ever step into a stand.

Next we get into the details that separate random luck from repeatable success: where to place an electronic caller so coyotes commit inside shotgun range, how elevation and road positioning can tilt the odds, and what to look for in an e-caller beyond flashy features. Cody explains why volume and clarity matter, how sound libraries differ between brands, and what a realistic entry-level budget looks like if you want to avoid wasting money. Prefer hand calls? We talk diaphragms, open reed vs closed reed calls, and the single “buy this first” option that gives new hunters the most versatility.

We also dig into coyote senses and common rookie mistakes. Coyotes may not see perfectly, but their nose is a serious problem, and wind discipline can make or break a stand. We share a few field stories that reframe “noise,” plus practical advice on locating coyotes and sticking with the learning curve. Finally, we cover what to do after the shot, how to work with landowners respectfully, and where to go for solid learning resources.

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Transcript

Shotgun Vs Rifle Choices

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Welcome back to the Blacktail Coach Podcast. I'm Aaron, and this week we're wrapping up coyote hunting with Cody Sanchez. Thank you for doing this series with us. Really appreciate it. I'm getting more and more interested in coyote hunting. The more we talk and thinking about I might need to borrow DJ's call. I know he bought he went out and bought the fancy electronic call. So we and that's one of the things we're going to be talking about. But first I want to start off weapons and ammo.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

So what are you using for when you're going out? So for most of our daytime hunting stuff, I mentioned that we're using shotguns. And for the most part, that's the weapon, preferred weapon of choice. If you're hunting that timber company type of land, if you were down in a field or on a valley piece of ground on private or something, you could definitely get away more with a rifle. And you can use a rifle in that timber company land, but I've lost a lot of coyotes trying to use a rifle, even using like an AR with a one-power optic on it. I still lost coyotes because a lot of times the way they come in at full speed or through the brush, or they run in so fast that you can't get on them and they bite the call and run off, and next thing you know you're shooting them on the run. Well, this is a lot easier to use a shotgun. We've found that you're gonna have a lot better chances of getting them with a shotgun than you are with a rifle. So any more timer stuff like the traditional Pacific Northwest type colon, we're using shotguns for our nighttime thermal stuff. We're using bolt guns and ARs, but smaller, more coyote, traditional coyote calibers like 22, 250s and 243, 22 arcs, another great one that we've been using a lot. So it just depends on where we're hunting, is gonna dictate what weapon we're gonna use. Buckshot for ammo or for shotguns, we're using we've used a lot of four buck. Right now we're using TSS from Salt Creek Ammunition. There's a couple other good ones, like Apex, I know makes a really good one. And I can't remember if there's there's obviously some more out there, but yeah, we usually now we're using a lot more of that tungsten. It just gives you a little bit further range.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Okay, so shotgun, four buck. Now, is there are there weapons that you can't use that you know of that off the top of my head, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Okay, yeah, you can as far as uh taking your traditional deer rifle out or something, yeah. I don't there's no size limit or anything as far as caliber or anything.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Because I know I've heard of people taking out 17s and shooting, and they and it drops them, which kind of amazes me that that could kill anything bigger than a hummingbird, but it does. I know Dave's taken more than one coyote and possibly a bobcat with a 17.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

I've shot a couple of 17. That's definitely not something I prefer. And you start expanding that data size, you'll find that you'll get some runners or some coyotes that run off and you can't recover, type of a deal. Yeah, you know, as far as like content purposes go, we don't really want that on content. We want to make sure that whatever we're using is gonna expel that animal pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Yeah, and that's just more ethical way of hunting. Yeah. That you're you you bring enough gun. A friend of mine has always said, bring enough gun. Yeah, yeah. I just think of like pistol hunting. That's my thing, is like, can I pistol hunt? Can I hunt it with a pistol?

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

So I have a scoped 44 Magnum, and so that's what I deer hunt with. But we're bringing them in under 15 yards, yeah. And not something I would use if it's out at 200 yards, but yeah, at 15 yards. It's pretty cool. I'll go with a pistol. So shotguns, if but if you're longer stretches, small caliber varmint rifles.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yeah, and if you were going with a group, it definitely wouldn't hurt you to say one guy's running a shotgun, one guy's running a rifle. If you were calling a login road with a straight stretch that you could see beyond shotgun range or a clear cut, the guy with the rifle then there, to where if a coyote did for some reason check up or something happened, or he picked you off somehow, you have the rifle there. But for the most part, if you're using electronic call, using that to your advantage and getting it off of you, you can get away with quite a bit. And so just being patient and holding on to that shotgun and they'll come in range.

Ammo Picks And Ethical Calibers

SPEAKER_00 4:25

And I know so I've heard and from the way others have hunted that they'll set up the call 20 yards out from them in a little clear-cut area. Okay, so now what would you say setting up with the call? And now if you're using like a diaphragm read, something like that's gonna of course be on you, but if the like the electronic calls with the little tail that wags back and forth, I think they set now in with those, you're setting them off 20 yards out in front of you in a little open area, and you're sitting back from that.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Yeah, it really just depends. If I'm calling a login road, generally gonna be off to one side of that logging road, the call's gonna then be on the opposite side of that logging road from me. So if that coyote coming down the road, he's gonna be looking on the opposite side of the road. And my ideal favorite scenario would be an elevated side of the login road, like if there was an embankment on one side and uh and flat on the other, I would be up on the embankment elevated and the call would be down across from me. Just gives you a little more because you're now not even on eye level of the coyote. If I'm in a clear cut, same type of a deal, I just get it off to one side or the other. I usually try to find like a slash pile, you know, one of those big brush piles in the middle of a clear cut or a stump, a vinem, whatever it may be, some sort of structure I can sit up against. But really, we've got away with quite a bit as far as sit as long as you're sitting still and that calls off you, like I said, yeah, 20 yards, 15, 20 yards. We usually don't get it much further than that because you start getting flirting with the ability to have it too far where those coyotes do hang up, or they get outside of it, and then that's outside of shotgun range. So you want to keep it pretty tight to you so that that makes sure you're getting into shotgun range. Yeah. Be able to get that shot.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

So actually, let's cover the all the different types of calls that are out there. So you have the electronic calls, and so describe what's available to use for electronic calls because you're you sell Fox Pro, right? Okay, so talk about what they offer and what for electronics.

Pistol Hunting And Team Setup

SPEAKER_01 6:36

There's multiple different feature sets and prices for for the calls, the lower end ones that their differences being like speaker quality, volume, loudness, and stuff like that. You know, different features like how many sounds one can hold versus another, things like that. But as far as the features, the main thing is just having a call that one has good volume, which Fox Bros obviously got that covered. So do the other manufacturers, not to say that Fox Bro's the only one, but that has good volume with a good clear speaker that's gonna display those sounds at a good clarity. And then the another thing that you have to look into when you're looking at getting an electronic call is where they're getting their sounds from. So each each company is partnered with someone or another who's recording these sounds for the call. And unfortunately, be it business being business, that they tend to contract up together, and so there might be certain guys out there that make really good sounds, but they contract with said call company, and their sounds will no longer be available for B or C call company, so you'd have to then look into sound libraries and choose which one that you would like. Well, I chose Fox Pro because I really like you know the MFK sound library from Tory Cook. I think he has some of the best vocals that we've ever seen in the coyote hunting world. You know, he raises coyotes and records these coyotes and knows his knowledge base on coyotes is unreal. And that reflects in his sounds that he records. And Fox Pro partnering with them was a huge deal. And then they've just recently partnered with another one of my favorites, which is JD Pye from Ohio. He's busting for audio, really good sound library as well. You look at like Lucky Duck and what they've done with Rick Pollette, who's another legend basically of the sport and what he's done for Kyle Hunting. I mean, his sound library is amazing. I've ran a lot of Lucky Duck stuff back in the day, and it's a great sound library too. But those are some things to look at as far as different companies go. Build quality, Fox Bro can coat that made in the USA, and they're they really boast their build quality and customer service, which it is outstanding, and so that's something to look into too. But yeah, the sound libraries where I really would start looking at the differences is what you want in a sound library.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

And I've heard that there can be recordings, and then sometimes it's a recording of a recording.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Or, you know, a lot another thing would be uh sometimes it's a recorded person on a hand call versus an actual live animal recording that's been kind of around for years. But I don't worry too much about that because we've actually called coyotes in with some of those sounds that it's no different than if you were out there blowing a diaphragm, it's just a guy blowing a diaphragm that they recorded, you know. So it I think that but if you wanted to truly expand it to the highest level, yeah, you're gonna be wanting to get true recordings of actual coyotes or actual rabbits or actual birds, you know, all those things actually happening. It's gonna really, really upgrade that that sound quality and overall quality of what you're out there doing.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Now, what for electronics, what is entry level, what can you expect to pay?

SPEAKER_01 9:53

You know, you start dipping around that$250,$300 mark. You can get some that are cheaper, but we start going back to that. You want to make sure you have if I was to set some criteria, I would want to have good enough volume and good enough clarity. So I'd say like that$300 mark is where you start to get into it.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

So if you're not gonna spend$300 at least, hold off until you can.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

I would definitely recommend it. Not to say you can't, not to say I haven't called coyotes in with cheaper coals than that. It's it's that's not what I'm saying at all. It's just that if I was looking to get into it or do something like that in today's world to get to that$300 mark would definitely give you a good starting point.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

And I think that's actually how we approach a lot of stuff where there are there's certain products that things that we really like using, and there are knockoff versions of those things, but we just figure it's best to wait till you can afford the thing you need and then try to use something similar for scent control. We really like using Ozonix. You're looking 300 bucks and up to get into Ozonix, but in the meantime you can use like Nose Jammer, which is ten bucks a can or something like that. So they're you know, just those ways around getting around until you can get the good quality item.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Here's and here's another way I kind of see it as like it's just a lot of guys getting into it, they might do that and they get by with it for a little bit, but you're generally across the board when you find someone that once they start doing it, having success and loving it, they always are gonna be trying to strive to do better, and yeah, you're gonna end up at that point eventually. So you know what I mean? You're you're gonna get to that point eventually anyway.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

So what are some of the other type of calls that you can that you can pick up? Other than other than electronics, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

So a diaphragm would be a really good option. I think diaphragms are very authentic sounding, kind of the same rule applies in the yoke, you know, that diaphragms are gonna be a really good way to get howls. You can do there's di rabbit distress calls and diaphragms, you can do all your coyote vocalizations, uh, bird sounds, and then you got open read calls, whether that be open read distress calls or open read howlers, an open read is a really good multi-tool because whether it be a short handled or a long handled, you could pretty much do anything with an open read call. There's a ton of them on the market, and then there's closed read calls, closed read distress calls that basically emulate, you know, they have different reads in them, so you can get ones that sound more like a cotton tail, you can get some that sound more like a bird, some that sound like a jackrabbit. So there's a full lineup of different hand calls that you can also use too.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

If you were giving advice for somebody who is just starting out, what would be the call that you would say buy first? Because you're most likely to have the most success with this particular call.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

In the hand call side of things? Sure. I would say you'd probably want to get an open read call. Okay, because with the open read call, they're probably the easiest to learn. I mean, the very easiest would be a closed read, but with the open read, you can howl, so you got your howls covered, and you can pup distress really well, so you got that covered, and then you can also rabbit distress. So you can do a lot of things with an open read call. Whereas a closed read call might sound better in the rabbit category, but you're not gonna be able to do the howls or the pup distress. So in my opinion, an open read call would be the very best if you could only buy one call entry level, you can get an open read call. They're very you can find some very cheap and get yourself into calling predators very quick.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Yeah. And that's I think that's how it's probably the best way to approach fail cheap, fail fast. Yeah. But it's that you want to figure out what you want without spending a lot of money and figuring out that's not what you wanted, type of thing, and always want to protect new hunters as I am getting more into this sport of wanting good advice. And I know that some guys just have deep pockets and they'll just go buy the best, most exotic thing that they possibly can, whether it's gear or or whatever, clothing or electronic calls, and that's great, but a lot being practical about I want to go do this and I want to have fun. What's the easiest way for me to do this without breaking the bank type of thing?

SPEAKER_01 14:33

So I mean, if you were to ask me, just real quick on that too, if you were to ask me like personally, what would I think that'd be the best to get into it? Yeah, the the open ray is gonna be the easiest for everyone, but if you could, you know, if say you were comfortable, a person out there that's comfortable with a diaphragm, I would take two diaphragms. It'd be a diaphragm that I could howl on, and a diaphragm that's cut for rabbit distress. With those two, you can do everything, they're super packable. You're talking about probably 15 bucks, 16 bucks for the two of them. Yeah, and you can do everything with them, and they can fit them in your pocket. I mean, all the way around. I think that if a guy gets proficient with a diaphragm, you can do a lot.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

Okay. So thinking about gear, what would you consider is essential gear? And then we'll talk about what's the nice to have gear. Essential gear.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Obviously, a firearm and some sort of call we've covered. Other than that, your hunting gear, your hunting clothes, and it's really all you need as far as I'm concerned. A good mapping system would be a piece of equipment that would be good to have just to be able to move to those coyotes once you've located them or something. Other than that, a nice to have piece on the daytime world would be a chair of some sort, a stool. Some of us pack around, you know, little stools and fold out chairs and stuff. And uh sometimes I just choose to sit on the ground or whatever, but those are something that's nice to have, but not essential. Yeah. Or like one of those turkey vests with the built-in seats. Yeah, I got one of those too, and I use that. It's nice. Sometimes that you know, you're sitting too low to the ground, you want to get a little more elevated, so maybe I'll sit on a stump, or maybe I'll bring my stool, it gets me a little higher. Uh-huh. But yeah, we're we're usable. Those little turkey chairs. I got one, they actually make them for coyote hunting too, but same thing. It's the same thing. A little fold-out chair and seat. Those are actually really nice. But those would be kind of a, I guess, a nice to have item that I could think of.

Electronic Calls And Sound Libraries

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Now, have you ever another thing that we talk about using and things because you're moving so quick, things like ozonics, I don't think, are real practical. The ozogenerator that's killing your scent. If you were going into an area where mostly it's because of how you would have to attach it to a tree above your head, it just not a real practical type of thing to use. But have you or are you familiar with hex suits? It's those it blocks your electromagnetic signal, so animals see you as an inanimate object. And I bring this up because our first year at the show, and they're I can't remember how far down what row were you in? Were you in the 1000 row? Yeah, so Kitty Corner from you is where Hex was. And we were right across from them our first year, and I watched this video. Dave already knew about him. But it blocks your electromagnetic signal, so they have coyotes and bobcats that come in and they're standing less than ten feet from these guys, just looking at them. And they'll walk right up to them and not really uh understand that this is a person. This is because all they see is an inanimate object. Of course, I've worn them. I've had experiences where animals will come up much closer, be much closer to me than I would think that they would be comfortable if it were just me sitting there. But definitely a nice to have, I would think. But yeah, that would be something, and with what you're doing, I don't even know if it's necessarily in or or it would be necessary because if you're calling them in, they're running in attacking your call, your electronic call, or whatever, they're probably not even noticing that you're sitting there and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

I've called coyotes in this t-shirt, you know. I mean, it's just that they don't see very well. I remember I listened to a guy that did some studies on that, and I believe he put a coyote's vision in like 2070, which is pretty bad. It was pretty bad. Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Yeah, and so they don't see that great. So actually, that's a something else I was I kind of want to talk about. When we talked about like different species, battling the eyes, the ears, and the nose. With deer, you're battling all of those, the nose being number one, but thinking of like turkey, the eyes number one, and then ears, what they can hear. The nose you don't have to worry about turkey, but what is it for so you're saying they don't see very well, so it's not like you got a battle that's not as much of a battle, but nose and ears. Yeah. The number one battle is the nose.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

Yeah. I feel like that in that same guy that I was talking about that talked about the vision, uh-huh, the nose, he he said that he claimed that it was far superior to a hound dog, to a whitetail, to a lot of things, that their noses were extreme. And something that I can remember, I'll never forget. I was deer hunting, this was years ago. I was probably still in high school, but I was in a tree stand in September archery season, and I had walked in the same trail that I walked in every day. And I was sitting in my tree stand, and deer would come up that same trail that I walk up, no problem. That afternoon, I watched a coyote come in on the opposite side, and as soon as he hit my tracks where I had walked in, it's like he hit a brick wall, just froze up. And we're talking, I walked through there three hours before he hit that. And this is in the summertime. He walked right down, hit as soon as he hit my tracks, he backed up, backpedaled, turned around, and took off. And you know, like their noses are extremely, extremely good. And so it's really the main battle is battling that nose, making sure that wind doesn't catch them.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Now, is their their hearing? I know, and I've seen certain it might be more foxes or something where but coyotes they are using their hearing to an extent, but is it you just want to be super quiet, or can you actually get away with a little bit of movement? What are they picking up for their hearing?

SPEAKER_01 21:22

I think their hearing is is really well, but one thing that we've always thought was funny, maybe it's a selective hearing, but we've played around with this where there's a coyote out there in a field at 400 yards, and you turn mouse squeaks on the electronic colour, or I like you said earlier, I I do the lip squeak with just my lips, and some coyotes will hear it, and some coyotes they won't, and you'll have to sit there with the volume level on the button and just turn it up and turn it up and turn it up and turn it up until all of a sudden he picks his head up and looks over, and it's like, man, it took him a while to hear that. And so we've wondered about that is you know, how good is their hearing? Because sometimes I think it's every different for every coyote, because sometimes it seems like wow, that coyote heard that from 600 yards, or that coyote's only 300 yards and he couldn't hear this. So it's a little different, but uh, as far as like walking and stuff like that, I we haven't spooked too many coyotes. I know that this is kind of an interesting little story. We going in during hay season, those coyotes key in on those hay fields at night after the farmer goes through and cuts it, and there's rows of grass out there. Well, there's tons of mice and snakes and stuff in there. Those coyotes will come in like a buffet and be picking through those hay rows. Well, we were walking in to go set up. In this field one night and thermal hunting. And as we're walking across those hay rows, that dried grass is making that sound, that noise when you're brushing in through that grass. Well, this coyote had heard that. He was out there, I don't know, 300 yards or so, and he heard us walking through those hay rows, and he picked his head up, and we're watching him at this point. We're like, oh crap, he hears us. And he just comes running right into that sound because that's what they're listening for. They're really keying in on hearing those mice and stuff going around through the hay. And so when he heard our feet shuffling like that, we got set up. We realized he was coming towards us now. He heard our feet and was coming towards us, and we're like, holy crap, he's coming towards our foot sound. And so we got set up, and he was like halfway, it was probably 150 yards at this point now, but he was looking for the sound because it we quit walking, so he was like, Where did it go? And so I was like, I'm gonna try it. And so I just took my foot and I shuffled the ground, and just that noise, he heard that, picked his head up, and came running right back in. And so we called that coyote in with just our feet noise. So it just depends on the situation. And in hunting that timber country, when you're walking in the setup and people think that you might spook a coyote or something. Well, though there's animals out there moving around, they can't run from every sound that they hear. The elk make a ton of noise, too.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

They do, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

I mean, there's a lot of things out there making noise. I think that more importantly, just don't get smelt or don't get seen. So yeah.

Entry-Level Pricing And Buying Advice

SPEAKER_00 23:56

I know just thinking about that with the noise walking into my set that I hunt, there's a lot of times five minutes before, five, ten minutes before I get there, there'll be a a deer on my set, and they hear me coming in, and they'll they don't bolt out of there because I try to mimic another deer coming in and do the step on a twig type of thing to break a twig, to give them a heads up there's something coming in to to ease them off my instead of just me just bolting in and sending them running. So yeah, it's probably one of those where you have to hear anything, it's they're used to hearing as long as it doesn't sound an unnatural, yeah, and I know that's a big one, is you don't want unnatural noise. That's a good way to put it, yeah. Yeah. So you got the synthetic stock on your gun, you want to make sure that that's not rubbing against branches because yeah, hearing something like that. Tripod legs, yeah, tingling a stick, and things like that. So what are some of the and this question came from Dave. So what are some of the biggest mistakes or what are some of the biggest hurdles for guys when they first get started?

SPEAKER_01 25:08

When we're talking about the Western Coast stuff here, I think some of the bigger things that come to my mind are one, there's not really a source out there to learn from. There's not really a lot of content that's generated towards our style of hunting. Another thing would be people just not sticking with it, I guess. You can say it's not like there's gonna be action on every stand and there's gonna be coyotes around every corner, you know what I mean? That's a big part of it, is like we talked about going out into that timber company land and just where to start. And and so not locating coyotes is a big one, but we've kind of established that we should be out locating if that's what you're gonna be out there doing. And if you were gonna go around making blind stands, just set up and start playing rabbit distress call or something. Just make sure that you go into that knowing that it's this might take a while, or this might take a lot of stands before I stumble on a coyote. And so that's a that's another big one. I see a lot of guys get into it and go out and try, they're unsuccessful, and then they give up on it. It seems like every year after big game season, it's when I get a lot of questions, and it's when people are wanting to go do it, because now big game season's over and they want to get back out in the woods and they want to go do something, and they want to be proactive in predator management, and so then these guys go out there and try it, and they're unsuccessful for a number of reasons, and most of the time it's that they went out and I hear, well, I've heard this before too. I I drove out there, I got out and set the electronic call on the hood of my pickup and in a clear cut and nothing came out. So it's just a lot of things like just not sticking with it, basically, being consistent, and honestly, the locating factor. When people start to locate coyotes, I think they'll start to really pick up on it and figure out that oh, this is what I need to be doing.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Yeah. So doing what needs to be done to be successful, yeah, to it to an extent, because the success breeds motivation to to do more or to get better or to figure things out. Oh, okay, that worked. And then you notch that so you keep trying it. Whether Dave will use the favorite lure analogy, but you keep coming back to your favorite lure, but there are other potential lures out there that being able to add to that.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Yeah, sponge and always be trying to look for the better option and grow. Mm-hmm.

unknown 27:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

After the hunts are all done, and I know we talked this gets back into the ethical thing, and we'll wrap up here. But the what are you doing with the dogs after the hunt?

SPEAKER_01 27:47

It just depends. Like I said, if it's if they're furred up and it's an opportunity to pack that kayak out, whether it to be mounted or to bring it to, like I said, that friend that I had that has the tannery, then we're gonna pack it out, take it to him. He goes from there and tubes it out and does what he does with them. But other than that, and in a lot of cases, if it's tatted up for ratted, you know, whatever the case may be, if it's on private property, we've already established with landowners that we hunt. That's one of the questions that we ask them. And this would be a good tip for people that are gonna get out there and start doing this too. Is make sure you communicate with your landowners, it's their property, and be respectful of their property. And it's good to ask them, hey, if we are successful, what would you like us to do with these coyotes? Do you want them off your property? Do you want the coyote? Some might want them, they might want the the fur themselves, or they whatever the case may be, just it's important to ask. And so some of those landowners say, Hey, that's fine, throw them in the brush back there, or whatever the case may be. So on the private property stuff, that kind of dictates what we do with, or if they've given us the okay to take them and it's one we want, we take it with us. But yeah, other than that, if it's if it's a pretty one out in the woods or something, or if it was a memorable hunt and we want to do something with it, obviously it's coming home with us and it's it's going to the taxidermist.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

So there's not the laws like you can't just go out with a deer and shoot a deer for the oh, I went hunting, I shot a deer, and then just leave it. Yeah. Don't walk away. There's no laws about it.

Hand Calls And Best First Buy

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Don't quote me on it, but I'm pretty sure that all all predators in Washington, I don't even think you have to eat bears. I think that a bear, cougar, coyote, and lion, I think all those I think you can I think you can leave if you wanted to. I don't think I don't think they force you to eat any predator species. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

If you're hunting bear, I highly encourage you to eat the bear because bear is delicious. It is, it is. Well, I've eaten cougar, but I didn't realize I was eating cougar, so I can't really speak, and it was sloppy joe's, so I couldn't really taste it, but I've heard that cougar is actually quite delicious as well. I've had cougar and bobcat, and I like both of them. Really? Okay. Bobcat was really good. The only I saw something on YouTube, I was watching a video, and they ate a bobcat, and they said it was really disgusting. It was one of those where they were trying a whole bunch of weird game meats, and I didn't even realize you could buy bobcat from someplace online. But I guess you can.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

I was at a buddy's house one time and he had a bowl of some kind of like it looked like some kind of fajita mix, and he's like, Try this, it looked like chicken. Uh-huh. I was like, All right, and I was eating it, and he's like, I just cooked it, it's really good. And I was eating it, and he goes, You know what that is? And I said, No, and he said, It's bobcat. And I said, Really? And I eat pretty much anything, so I thought it was really good. But not coyote. I haven't tried a coyote yet. I've joked about it a lot, and then we talk about it because there's people that'll comment on our posts and say we had a weekend of coyote hunting, we had a bunch of coyotes lined up or a pitcher or whatever, and someone will comment on their what do you do with these, or what are you gonna do with all those coyotes? You're not gonna eat them, and I say, Yeah, I eat them all the time.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

You know, just joking around, but I've never actually eaten one, but I have friends who live in Asia, Southeast Asia, and they've both had dog. And from what I understand, dog is very distinct in its taste, and it's generally not good. There's so yeah, I don't know if I think I'd have a hard time trying that or Wolf or to me.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

I I've heard people love Wolf too. I've heard people that have tried it. I think Randy Newberg was saying it one time that he tried Wolf and it was really good. I think I heard him say that somewhere, but all that for Randy. All that boils back to society. Yeah, our society makes us that. This is true. Yeah, it's just it's no different than any other meat. It's just it's meat's meat, and you know, obviously, you know what they eat's gonna dictate a little bit of difference, but I mean, what's the difference a coyote from a bobcat that's living out in the timber country eating the same things? And I don't know, but you know, our society kind of trains us that it's weird to eat a dog or a cat.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Yeah, you know, it was that was the hard thing for me with the cougar. It's like I don't know if I want to eat a cat. I had too many of them growing up, and yeah, I don't know. I think now though, I'd be fine. I don't know about dog though. I might have to draw the line. So there are a lot of them. But anyway, any final actually let me ask you this. Where if people wanted to learn more about coyote hunting, what what are some good resources or some names that they should be looking into?

SPEAKER_01 32:20

You know, the Fox Pro podcast would be a great one to learn about the coyote life cycle, the sounds that we use, all that a lot of information on that podcast. Tori Cook's on there all the time. That's the one I was telling you that that has those sounds and raises those coyotes. He knows a ton about the coyote life cycle. So there's a lot to learn on that podcast for someone getting into it. As far as like content-wise generated towards our area, there's not a whole lot out there to learn from. I'm always available. I mean, anywhere you can find me, I'll answer questions and help guys out. I do it all the time. And but uh yeah, that Fox Pro podcast is a great one. There's a lot of other predator hunting podcasts out there that specifically talk just about coyote hunting, and there's a lot of stuff out there. The Kai Predator Podcast is another one that off the top of my head I can think of. The Predator Podcast. But yeah, there's a lot of those out there that they're putting out some really good information these days. It's really accessible now with all the podcast platforms and social media platforms. There's a lot out there.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Okay. So how if people were actually if they were interested in buying some thermal night vision products, what's your website? How can they reach out to you?

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SPEAKER_01 33:33

Thermaldispatch.com is the website. My phone number is on there. Also, my phone number is on all my social media stuff. So thermal dispatch or TD Optics on Instagram, TD Optics on Facebook, just Cody Sanchez on Instagram or Facebook. A lot of people reach out to me on just those two. But yeah, my phone number to 360-880-5582. That's probably the best way to get a hold of me and just give me a call. That way it's the thermal thing, there's a lot that goes into it. And so before you make a purchase like that, it's always best to give us a call because we can make sure and get you into the correct optic, you know, because before you just jump right into one, it's always good to do your own research, but you know, give us a call, we can help walk you through that process getting that going. And then same with the Fox Pro stuff. I mean, I carry a pretty good lineup of Fox Pros in stock. Try to keep that in stock at all times. Is that all on the same website too? Yeah, they should be on there. They should be on there now. I think we added them. I've had I just started carrying Fox Pro stuff back in the end of December, beginning of January. Okay. And I actually got my first shipment inventory mid-January. I was getting ready for the show, is why. Nice. But now that it's all there and I have the inventory, we should have it all on the website too. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Excellent. Thank you for joining us for these last three weeks. A lot of good information. I think this is an area that people probably haven't considered necessarily, but are are they are considering it now, I would think. I hope. Thank you again for joining us. And for everybody, if you could like, subscribe, heart, follow, share the podcast, do all those things that your platform asks you to do, leave a comment. We'd really appreciate it. And we will talk to you all next week.