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Joey’s Song
The Quadcast - Rain
What if a song could change the way you see a stormy day? Join us as we explore the powerful connection between music and weather, kicking off with the unpredictable climates of Wisconsin and Chicago. We uncover how iconic rain-themed songs like Prince's "Purple Rain" and The Beatles' "Rain" capture our emotions and shape our moods. Our musical journey takes a nostalgic turn into the heart of the Motown era, highlighting the Temptations' shift from cheerful love songs to thought-provoking tracks like "I Wish it Would Rain."
Ever wondered how controversies shape the music industry? Dive into the intriguing tales of musical mimicry and scandals that rocked the charts. We discuss Vanilla Ice's infamous sample of "Under Pressure" and the rise and fall of Milli Vanilli in a world where appearances sometimes overshadow authenticity. This episode also shines a spotlight on the unique sound of Garbage, with Butch Vig and Shirley Manson delivering the grunge and emo vibes that defined the 90s. Their hit "I'm Only Happy When It Rains" serves as a perfect example of this era's distinctive angst.
As we celebrate the magic of music, we reveal the excitement behind the Joey's Song events, where artists gather to perform unforgettable covers in support of epilepsy research. With musicians from bands like The Bangles and Goo Goo Dolls, these concerts promise a fusion of styles and a vibrant community spirit. Stay tuned for updates on our upcoming events, and don't forget to engage with us on social media for more behind-the-scenes fun and announcements. Join us in celebrating the transformative power of music and the camaraderie of the Joey's Song community.
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Speaker 2:So, william songs about moisture today as we get into. I think we're recording this in. I know we're recording this in October. I don't think we're recording this in October, and it has been particularly dry up here in Wisconsin. What's the weather been like down in the greater Chicago area?
Speaker 3:Yeah, pretty happy. We're not experiencing a lot in the moisture department. There's neither rain nor snow yet, so both good signs in the moisture department.
Speaker 3:There's neither rain nor snow yet, so both good signs. The weather, like a lot of things in the world right now, seems to be fairly unpredictable. A lot of hoping and praying. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of hoping and praying, A lot of I don't know. They say we're supposed to drop a little bit over the weekend and maybe early next week, but then it's supposed to get warm again. It was 80 here today. It was 80 here today too. I mean, we're not that far from each other, so that shouldn't be shocking, but for the time of the year it's slightly shocking.
Speaker 2:Well, especially when you consider for those of you again depends on when you're listening to this we just had Hurricane Helene and Hurricane Milton pummel, the southeast and I had a friend down in Asheville that had a tree at five in the morning come through their roof and if it had not been for one of the overhead planks they would have been not with us anymore. Kind of stuff really. He sent me some pictures. I mean, the inside of their house looks like a sandbar.
Speaker 3:It's crazy stuff that's going on down there. It's just, it's, it's so sad and you just wish you could do something about it to slow it down or stop it or yeah. But you think about the logistics of the people without the power and just trying to move around, and then, even at some point in time, everybody's going to kind of forget that that happened, and that's when cleanup starts.
Speaker 2:We got kind of a big national thing in about a month going on and the whole world is focused on that and they'll forget that half of north carolina doesn't have clean drinking water and electricity now.
Speaker 3:That said, that said, I guess one of my struggles in life is I I just and I guess this comes from not living in an area that has these kinds of things frequently happen but in my small brain I would always think like, hey, at some point after maybe two or three of these, I'm thinking about jumping and going somewhere else. Now, that's of course. I didn't grow up there, it's not home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the other part of it too is we used to have hurricanes of the century once a century. Now we have three a year Right. So we'll give people a couple of years to get used to the fact that maybe this is the new normal for a while, and then they can. You know, katrina. Katrina was the hurricane of the century, and then I don't even remember all the other names where we've had seven or eight of them since then, so, and we've had two this year.
Speaker 3:There's nothing anymore in terms of weather that would be considered normal. I don't believe no at all at all.
Speaker 2:And you know, you'd almost think that you and I scripted part of this or actually had a plan, because that is a perfect lead into today's topic. What is today's topic, william?
Speaker 3:that is a perfect lead into today's topic. What is today's topic, william? Today's topic is actually one of the aforementioned weathers that we would plural. Yeah, there's yes, um, uh, the specific one today is rain. Rain, yes, favorite of the negative um temperature. I love when it rains. I love sleeping in the rain. I love everything about the rain.
Speaker 2:I was just thinking, though, we've done these in chronological order sort of, and we just did Prince cover songs. I guess nobody's ever covered it, but perhaps the greatest rain song by Prince Purple Rain, and we're not even going to see, we couldn't make it through one episode without mentioning it At. We couldn't make it through one episode without mentioning it. At least I couldn't, right. No one knew, not even on the topic today.
Speaker 3:I was actually, when we were bantering about the weather, was going to bring up a Prince song. Sometimes it Snows in April. April, yes, it does. When that first came out it was almost a joke, like yeah, really, sometimes Now it's like the snow's in june, it's like right keeps moving forward.
Speaker 2:so and you're putting on spf 50 in november right, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're talking about the rain and not the purple kind, the other so we have got, as per the name, quadcast.
Speaker 2:We have got four pretty interesting songs about rain and we'll go take a short break right now and when we come back we'll give people a chance to put on their raincoats and get their umbrella and their galoshes and we'll come back and we'll do four songs about rain. So stick around, folks, we will be right back about rain.
Speaker 3:So stick around, folks, we will be right back. All right, mike our first song up. I believe you're gonna take this one. It is something by the temptations.
Speaker 2:It is anytime I can talk motown, I'm happy, I'm a happy man and anytime it's, I sleep on a Friday, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean it's perfect, right, I, I and I was literally earlier dancing in the street, so that's perfect. Um, anytime I can talk about Motown, it makes me very happy, and if you have never been to Hitsville, usa, in Detroit, I would suggest any listeners go um just to walk around and see how small that place was and all the magic that came out of it. It's an amazing, an amazing story, and you can stand right in the studio there in the garage in Hitsville where they recorded a lot of the stuff and one of the highlights for me I took my son, sam, and they have some old photos around the studio and there's a nail no, I'm sure it's probably not the around the studio and there's a nail. No, I'm sure it's probably not the same nail, but there's a nail in the wall where you can see a picture and David Ruffin had his coat hanging on it.
Speaker 2:So they let you hang your coat on David. Yeah, I'm sure it's this 17th nail since Ruffin was there, but I still, I still pretended it was so. But yeah, anytime I can talk about Motown, it makes me happy. I fight I've had more bar fights over the fact that, even though he's not a temptation, that Levi Stubbs is one of the four greatest singers in music history, and I will fight anybody that wants to talk to me about that.
Speaker 3:After the show I'm going to have to find out who the other three are.
Speaker 2:One of them is me, so that tells you how good the list is. I'm still tracking with you, so far.
Speaker 2:So we're going to talk about the Temps and we're going to talk about I Wish it Would Rain. So before we get into the song, because it came a little bit later in the Temps career, let's talk about those five guys from the Detroit area. Now, not to turn this into a complete history lesson, but most people that are somewhat Motown literate know that they started out as the Primes and the Supremes started out as the Primettes and there was this whole I guess you would call it kind of street corner serenade, kind of stuff going on and that's what a lot of those Detroit Motown acts, the tops, and you can go right down the list Martha and the Vandellas, and all of them were like high school friends. You know the thought of all that talent. And let's not even mention Stevie wonder and everybody else that were all smoky, that was all bubbling around in Detroit around that time. And then, of course, gordy Berry having the or Gordy Berry, Wow, music dyslexia, first day with a new set of rented lips.
Speaker 3:Holy cow, I knew exactly who you were talking about.
Speaker 2:Barry Gordy having the wherewithal to put it together and the whole Motown story. If you don't know the story about how they figured out what was a single and what wasn't, it's really really pretty amazing. But the Primes and the Primettes were a brother and sister kind of group going around and I believe it was what happened a lot back in those 60s. They found out there was somebody else called the Primes and so they changed the name to the Temptations. But there were a couple lineups before the classic lineup but the classic of Paul and Otis and Eddie and David and I'm blanking on the third one, fourth one, doesn't matter, I'll get it eventually Really kind of coalesced in 63-64 and had put out several records and nothing really hit until we already mentioned him, smokey gave them my Girl and the chart just blew off the roof, just blew off the place.
Speaker 2:The way you do the things you do. A lot of those were very classic songs. But all of those songs were very upbeat and kind of peppy and you know, boy meets girl, girl meets, boy falls in love and heads out that type of stuff which was great. But what makes the song that we're going to talk about today I Wish it Would Rain. So important to me is it was kind of the. To me it was the stepping stone for Motown.
Speaker 2:Going into darker types of things, I can't draw a straight line from I Wish it Would Rain to Marvin Gaye and some of his socially aware stuff, but if you throw in Papa Was a Rolling Stone and some of those other things, you can start to connect the dots and see where this was really that first foray and it was. To me it's David Ruffin's greatest performance because the emotive you know for those of you that don't know the story behind I Wish it Would Rain is a spurned lover who can't get over the loss of his girlfriend. But the reason he wishes it would rain is so that it would cover up the tears Right, and it's spelled out explicitly in the lyrics. And so it was, like you know, one of the first non happy ending things that really came out of Motown and really came and the temps were kind of leading that and it's just it. It's a motive in a way that Motown had never been before. I don't know. Are you familiar with I Wish it Would Rain, william?
Speaker 3:I am familiar with the song. Yes, what are your thoughts? I think you summed it up very nicely.
Speaker 2:I don't know how quite frankly, a person could not like any song that comes from the Temptations Right right, yeah, even the current ones, with only Otis as the remaining member, it's still, yeah, I mean, it's still just amazing, amazing music.
Speaker 3:And I've never been to Detroit, but I feel like I can safely say every time I hear the Temptations or most of the other groups that you mentioned, it does bring me back to Motown, even though I've never been there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a. You know it was a and, by the way, I had to cheat and look, melvin Franklin was the fifth temp. I'm sorry, melvin, up in heaven, I can't believe that I forgot your name. The whole process of Motown and the development of that sound for those of you that were growing up in the 60s or have looked back on this there were kind of two and a half schools of soul music in the US. There was the Detroit sound and then there was obviously the Memphis sound, right with stacks and all that. A little bit later in the 70s you got that Philly sound, spinners and OJs and all that type of stuff. But that was a slicker stuff and it's funny for most of us you were kind of either a Memphis guy or a Detroit guy and for me it wasn't really close.
Speaker 2:I've learned to appreciate the Memphis sound, but that sound that came out of Detroit and obviously you know, with the Wrecking Crew and all the Wrecking crew was both places.
Speaker 2:So I guess I'm wrong on that one again.
Speaker 2:It really we really should practice this, william, and then I wouldn't be talking out of my hat, but to me it always spoke to me because the production was so Memphis was grittier Detroit was smoother, I guess, is the way that I would describe it and, and you know the temps then went on to do so many other things as they morphed out of teen boy you know it's hard to sing boy meets girl songs when your lead singer's 48, although there's a lot of bands that still do that but then they went in like a lot of those Motown acts, they went into the socially conscious stuff and just a landmark band for me.
Speaker 2:To this date they've released 60, six zero albums and I don't think they tour anymore. For a while they used to tour with the Tops but then when Levi passed away 10 years or so ago, that Temps Tops show kind of stopped and it really just is Otis that's left and as great as Otis is, it's hard to build a sound around your original bass singer. You know I mean, there's only so much that you can do on that stuff.
Speaker 3:What year they started? What year-ish?
Speaker 2:62, 63-ish 64, but okay, yeah, yeah, that's Feeding power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. So it's always exploding right, the Beatles and the Stones and the Detroit, and you know you had Otis Redding Out of Memphis and you know Elvis was 10 years. The foundation seminal stuff, just seminal stuff. But the thing that I'm sure we'll talk about more With some of these other songs as well is the strength of that rain metaphor.
Speaker 2:Again, especially this one. You know, sunshine, blue skies, please go away. Or moments left another and gone away. Sorry, I won't do all the lyrics, but the point is that whole metaphor of the darkness that the rain brings. And then on his particular face, because he doesn't want his friends to see that he's crying, it's just haunting. And then the orchestration. It's a very dark performance.
Speaker 2:And again, ruffin, if you're not familiar with David Ruffin, one of the truly great voices as well, and he brings such a motive and a rawness to his vocals. On that there's a couple great videos. Those were back in the days when everybody would do the ed sullivan show and merv griffin and a lot of these motown acts would do it. Um, there's a couple performances in particular that are that are live, that are not lip-synced. Um, that they did, that it just. I mean, he rips your heart out ruffin does. He's amazing, amazing he is. So that's probably about it Again. I could do a million things on Motown and the Temps, but I really like I Wish it Would Rain, because it's not that happy peppy. Hey, you know kind of stuff that Smokey was great at, because even when Smokey would write down Troddler the tears of the clown and all that other stuff, you still were tapping your toe and Dan, I mean Smokey had that gift of writing sad songs, sad topics, depressing lyrics and you're still out there doing the twist.
Speaker 2:It's miraculous, Just absolutely miraculous. Got anything else you want to talk about with the Temps and Motown?
Speaker 3:No, I think we're good, there I will forewarn people, our next song we probably won't have as much to talk about, because the group that's doing our next song really doesn't have much to say about them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you won't have a whole lot, so we can probably breeze through that. But while we get ready, while you and I try to figure out something to say about the next band, how about if we play a little bit of I wish it would rain by the time? I think that would be a great idea. All right, here we go. So david ruff and eddie kendricks, melvin franklin, paul williams and otis wilson, I knew I could do it the temptations with I wish it would rain I wanna go outside.
Speaker 1:It's a lovely day, but everyone knows that a man ain't supposed to cry. Listen, I gotta cry Cause crying raises the pain. Oh yeah, people just hurt. I feel inside Words could never explain. I just wish it would rain.
Speaker 2:God damn, that song makes me cry every time, William. I cannot help it. It just does. Lyrically and sonically it's as close to perfection as you're going to come Now, this next band that we're going to talk about. I hate it when we have to spend a lot of time explaining to people who these folks are when we do one of these, but when we have to spend a lot of time explaining to people who these folks are when we have, when we do one of these. But sometimes you have to, because sometimes greatness comes from obscurity.
Speaker 3:So we might have done this one too. They might not be familiar.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's that's what I'm worrying about. So this song is specifically called rain and it's by a band from Liverpool called the Beatles, I'm told. Some people say they were the Silver Beatles, some people say they were the Quarrymen, but I think it's mostly the Beatles with an A, which is crazy talk, I understand.
Speaker 2:But anyway so our topic is, and obviously rich in sarcasm, I could do a 72-hour miniseries on the Beatles alone, song by song, and make everybody want to kill themselves. But our band is the Beatles and not an album track, just a B-side, as we all know. Truly one of the coolest songs, rain.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I'm going to pull the curtain back a little bit on the quad cast here just to let everybody in a little of the behind the scenes on this. So this week you actually gave me the opportunity to select which songs I want to go with. One would think that would be an easy decision. Yeah, I know that you know more than than me and I tend to love listening to you like talk about temptations and I loved it.
Speaker 2:I love to listen to me too, as we all know.
Speaker 3:Yes and I was like, oh, I kind of want you to do like all of these sit back and listen, because I knew, I know you're, uh, significantly more of a beatles expert I am.
Speaker 2:But that's it, I think you'll do just fine.
Speaker 3:As you mentioned, it's a B-side to the 1966 hit single Paperback Writer, but it is a very unique, groundbreaking track that John Lennon wrote primarily and it was heavily influenced by the psychedelic era, reflecting where the band was at, going from live performers to really studio innovators. The lyrics of the song are very simple but very evocative, touching on the themes of weather perception. I was re-listening to the song again earlier today and I feel like Lennon really sings about how rain or sunshine really affects people's moods, suggesting the true understanding comes from looking beyond external circumstances. It's kind of a metaphor about mental clarity which maybe a lot of people in today's world could use.
Speaker 2:And John could have used too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a little lyrical about the rain. Again, it really fit with what was going on at the time. The Beatles worked with George Martin, a very famous producer, on this, and they experimented with slowing down the rhythm track during recording so gave the song a deeper kind of heavier sound. That went along, I thought, quite well with the lyrics. Yep um, ringo's drumming on the track is often praised as one of his best performances. That was, uh was something I learned today, which is not surprising, but I always enjoy a little Ringo.
Speaker 2:A little side thing, and you're right, I'm one of those awful Beatles people. So, first of all, ringo's left-handed, which is unusual for drummers. And then Ringo played from the shoulder as opposed with his hands, and and I'm not, this is not anything I ever heard, but this is what they talk about. One of the reasons why his drumming is so unique is it's always a micro second later than it would be, because instead of doing with his hands, he does this, and if you watch the, I guess we're on radio right, hey, everybody ringo does this.
Speaker 2:I see it Leans into it and that takes a little extra time. Interesting, and that's part of the swing and the intro, why Ringo is so hard to emulate because it's not enough. Obviously, you listen to it and it sounds perfect. But for those that know so, and he talks about that, obviously you listen to it and it sounds perfect. But for those that know so and he talks about that, there's several videos of him talking about the fact that he played more with his body than with his hands, and it's just one more of those little things that make that combination of four guys so magical.
Speaker 3:But his, his drumming on that is just spectacular, just spectacular and then you know one other thing I noticed at the end of the song. Um, it is this I don't know if this is true or not, but it sounded like they did something with lennon's voice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a backwards tape.
Speaker 3:yeah, okay, yeah, um, I don't know was that?
Speaker 2:I assume that was on purpose, oh yeah yeah, I mean that was part of the story. I know they like to try different things.
Speaker 3:Yeah right.
Speaker 2:And because I think I Feel Fine was when they had the first feedback. They like to do all these firsts on it. The other thing that you'll find out about Lennon is after about the first two records. He hated the sound of his own voice so he always had George usuallytracking or slowing him down. There's the famous Strawberry Fields, where it's two vocal takes mixed together and all this other stuff. I'm sure and I'm making this anecdote up, but hopefully it'll get into Beatles lore I'm sure they were listening to the playback and Lennon says that's such an awful take I bet you could play it backwards. And they said, well, let's give that a try. That seems like a great idea. Right, right, there's lots of Beatles stuff because the guitar I think the guitar on Rain is also backwards. I think it's both the vocals and the guitars back, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not even sure I can wrap my arms around what that sounds like, but I'm going to go back and listen to it. Yeah, go back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. Well, I tell you what after we get done with this little thing, we'll play you a section of it. I'll make sure that we play that part so you can hear it Also to that note.
Speaker 3:All the songs from this show and every show we do from now on will be on a Quadcast Spotify playlist, which you can find a link to on the Quadcast Facebook page.
Speaker 2:It's blowing up.
Speaker 3:from what I hear, I think we got a call from Spotify telling us to please stop, they said, slow it down, slow the roll. We love all the new members that are signing up for the premium package. Right, right, I think one of the servers crashed last.
Speaker 2:Next, show is right I think one of the servers crashed last time when everybody was rushing to hear all the prince covers. There you go, yeah, no, I that this period, the revolver, rubber soul period, is my favorite beatles period. Yeah, that that's. That's when the psychedelics were kicking in and when they decided they were you or them. Where are you? Who are we? What do we? Yeah, where, where?
Speaker 2:Well, I I'm gonna say them because I was six at the time, okay, and even though I was from wisconsin and all things are, you know, fair game here, I was not into psychedelics, at least until fifth grade, into Mrs Buddy's class. But it's my favorite period because it was before they went off completely into left field, and I love there's. I can name about three Beatles songs that I don't like. So when I say for them going off in left field, it's still a great thing, but it was after the simple she loves you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but before Strawberry Fields, right, and so I feel like they were messing around more sonically, which I find much more interesting than it, and I very much to like the Mount Rushmore one.
Speaker 2:I vacillate between Revolver and Rubber Soul as my favorite record, and it just depends on what kind of day. I love that time period and when you can have a song as great as Rain and just have it be a toss away B-side. I'm not going to do a Liverpool accent, but there's not room for it on the album. Well then, put it on the back of the next hit single.
Speaker 3:Do you think to that point that you just made earlier? Do you think there's another comparable group of musicians, aka a band, out there that literally, if you broke down their eras, they're almost like six different bands?
Speaker 2:right in an eight year period too, right. Well, that's the amazing 62 to 70.
Speaker 3:Right, that's the amazing thing. But I mean, man, I mean like there's nothing like the the early beatles stuff versus the strawberry fields.
Speaker 2:Right is like and and that's only, that's only six years apart, I know you know, there's not a straight squiggly circly.
Speaker 3:There's no line between the two. It's like it's just they could be from different countries, different worlds right no, there's, there's, there's no band.
Speaker 2:And again, uh, beatles bias gonna throw it right out there. I, you know, I guess I'm gonna fight a lot of people, because I'm gonna fight anybody that tells me they're not the greatest band ever. Well, I'm, but I was picturing myself I thought you were a lover, not a fighter.
Speaker 2:I'm a lover, not a fighter, as as Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney said. Um, no, there's no band that's even close to and the, because the Beatles had the advantage of being first in line. That doesn't mean some folks that have come, but when, when you lay down the blueprint, like, nobody can take the, the blues country title from elvis because he was the first to do that, right, so I don't know whether he was the best, but he was the first. And because nobody had done it before. That's groundbreaking stuff. Um, and the beatles? The beatles were the same way, and all you need to do is look around to look at how every other band in that era was copying them and trying to do that. Right, pull out the stones, their satanic majesty's request, and it's obviously them trying to be Sergeant Pepper, right, and you do. Mothers of Invention had one. So now there are.
Speaker 2:There are artists that I would put in as being ballsy enough to do anything that. Neil Young comes to mind. Right, he did his, his big band, he did his trans electric phase, he did his country phase, he did his noise. So, but, uh, neil needs to work a little bit on the quality control issue that comes with that, but, but but certainly the um, the guts to do that. He's one of those that are, but nothing like the Beatles, because they were first anybody to them in that regard of showing such progression from three chords and a yeah, yeah, yeah To backwards vocals and you know all the stuff on those. You know, like the white album.
Speaker 3:Right, and I don't really care for the, the comparison conversations either, because there's so much subjectiveness to you know, it's kind of like what you like and whatever, but well and what and what you heard first.
Speaker 2:Too right for somebody that's a generation after us who the beatles were done by the time they heard it right, and so their first forays into music was 70s pop, you know.
Speaker 3:So yeah you can't do that comparative stuff I think I used to fall on the side of the stones yep, oh, and the stones beetle thing. But that's because I'm like I missed the beatles touring.
Speaker 3:I mean, I was alive when they came to america, but just barely and right. You know they were done by the time I got to where I was super impressionable and you know, one of my first concerts I ever saw was the stone. So, of course, but when you look, when you, when you break down the body of work for them, I mean both of those two bands have an incredible thing the, the short period of time in which the Beatles accomplished stuff that never is going to go away. I mean this is, this is here to stay, and the fact that they have, like all my kids in high school took a class called the Beatles. Which. Where was that when?
Speaker 2:I was in school, yeah, yeah, well, we cause, we were living it, william, we weren't studying it, that's what it was.
Speaker 3:Yes, we were in the fields, we couldn't study it, but that's never going away. And then you look at the Stones and the fact that they're still touring 50 years later. I mean that's incredible too.
Speaker 2:So it's just kind of like yeah, it's it is turned into absolutely apples and oranges between the two. Right, especially once and I know we're not supposed to be talking about the Stones, but you know, when the Stones went into the beggars banquet and sticky fingers after they came out of their satanic majesties and Keith was like sorry, I'm too much of a music dork, I apologize. Right, keith had his six months with Graham Parsons, you know, and Graham was just about to take the birds in a cool new direction, and all that, and Keith got back to the no, no, no, we're not a blues band, but we're not a pop band, we are a bluesy rock, something or other. And then they found, they found their voice as the Beatles were ending Right, so they went on and did their own thing, and that stands by itself.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I'm, I'm not a. I realized that's how we like to do things right. Blur, oasis, or, you know, you go right down the list and at the time it was a, it was a valid kind of thing, but it's, it's apples and oranges now. Apples and oranges.
Speaker 3:It's like the kids trying to compare who's the better basketball player, Michael Jordan or LeBron.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we all know it's Michael and there's no. Oh sorry, no, we're not supposed to do that.
Speaker 3:I don't disagree, but I would say you could make the argument.
Speaker 2:It's pretty tough to compare because of Well and the other thing, my son Sam and I do a lot of basketball arguing because he's LeBron and I'm Mike. Although he appreciates Mike for what he is, it's like oh no, I'm the second greatest basketball player of all time. What a burden you know, yeah, how awful is that. Although we all know the greatest player ever was George Mikan. Just kidding. I know you're going to go Bill Kareem or Bill Russell there, so I didn't know where you were going. Oscar Robertson.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, mr.
Speaker 2:Double-double, mr, triple-double. Well, now that we ended the basketball podcast, the one thing you mentioned you mentioned the Beatles as a platform, and it's never going away, and the fact that all of the musical machinations always come back. They are a thing. Right that you know. They were done in the 70s and then Oasis came along, which a lot of people would say is the similar kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:I happen to like Oasis. I don't. I think, yeah, I think imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and Nolan is very good at what he does, even if it is prototyping Beatles songs. But you know, you could argue that even though they didn't write the songs, a lot of that One Direction stuff another generation later had a very Beatle-y edge. I mean, nobody's going back and oh, I'm going to foreshadow here recreating the Milli Vanilli sound, but they are going back and recreating the Beatles sound and they will continue to do that ad infinitum. You and I will be rocking on our front porch telling the kids to get off our lawn and there's going to be some new trend of Brit poppy kind of stuff like the Beatles. There just will.
Speaker 3:Okay, so maybe this might be a topic for another, another show, but I want to plant it in your brain. Why is it that nobody can seems to have the stickiness, like the beatles or whatever you know, over the course of time and again, we don't even well, and, and my opinion is, because they were the first right, I mean, there's still people still flock to Graceland like crazy right.
Speaker 2:And you know, I there is something about and I am not a hip hop guy, but I'm sure that there are some folks that will tell you that you know, dr Dre, or whoever's considered the godfather of the genre, nobody will ever be better or he will always be the historical touchstone because of kind of stuff, and I, I, I think that I think that's a, I think that's a part of it and the level they took it to and yeah, and just a mania part of it well, and because music is always an amalgam, right, it's always uh, you know it's a, it's a rock and roll was a combination of country and the blues that came together and created this.
Speaker 2:And you know, jazz and blues create all these different things come together. So there's there's always mixing together. And then there was that period Not so great in my opinion when rap and rock were together and you had all these bands doing both and all that. I wouldn't call that particularly successful, but it's always going to be that right. And then technology throws new things in. Now, with, you know, auto-tune and all the other stuff, and with I mean I literally had to kick my son out of the basement just now. He's working on his new songs and he does it all by, you know, guitars and drums and the whole bit. So it's all changed. But the reason those are the touch points and the stickiness, as you called it, I think is because they were the firsts in all of those kind of stuff. And I don't know, you know, when the next disco revival comes around, you know the Bee Gees will be the touch point on that, because they were that sound right. Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's my take.
Speaker 2:All yeah, yeah, that's my take. All right, that's my take, but yeah we can uh, I love rain. I love that era of the beatles, I love they are. They were the first headphone band. Yeah, I know pink floyd and everybody came along after them, but you can still, to this day, sit down and and listen to that and hear stuff that you didn't hear before.
Speaker 3:I'm a Sony Walkman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Discman. Yeah, but you had to hold exactly this way because if you tilted it too far it would skip. You didn't want that. You didn't want that. There's a million Beatles songs and, as we've talked about in other, I'm guessing, we'll probably do the Beatles again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there'll be other ways, and probably the temps again too, more than nice, all right, um, so why don't we listen to rain by the beetles? I will make sure that we play right now that part where the backwards guitar. Uh, maybe we'll we'll um tempt fate with the uh, the sensors or whoever looks over the stuff, and do two 20 second segments and see if they throw us see if they throw us in podcast jail.
Speaker 2:But here it comes, greatest band of all time. I'll fight you if you say otherwise. The beatles with rain. I can show you. I can show you, I don't mind. So don't tell anybody, because we're going over our 29.9 second allotment for music in the podcast. But here is the part that we talked about with the backwards vocals in Rain. So take a listen. God, I love that song and right now I just dropped my roach in my lap and it's burning a hole in my fry boots.
Speaker 2:Oh well, I'll get'll get. I will get over it so your fry boots oh I can. I can sub reference with the best of them, I guess.
Speaker 3:So I learned. I learned stuff about you on every show, mister yeah, most of it you don't want to know.
Speaker 2:So now, now is when it gets really fun. We leave the realm of darkiness and worship, as we've been with the first two right, you do the temps, you do the Beatles with a little Stones talk.
Speaker 3:What do they call this in the DJ world? Maybe not the best transition, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know what we need is one of those sound effects of a record scraping, you know, across the needle. Um, I don't know any other way to lead into this other than leading right into it, probably without anybody getting hurt, one of the greatest music scandals of all time, of all time, especially since we lived through it. It didn't involve jerry lee lewis marrying his cousin. It didn't involve an overdose in a bathtub or choking on a ham sandwich, or driving your bentley into the pool. None of that stuff. None of that. Still a great story. Millie freaking vanilli and blame it on the rain.
Speaker 3:William go 1989 was the year. So imagine this. Imagine you're thinking about the songs you're gonna cover for this week's quadcast many times as humanly possible in the show. You're sitting there and you're like, what am I gonna say about this? And then you're like you know what? I'm gonna watch a little tv first, maybe that'll inspire me. I turn on the tv something brand new on the net, currently on the netflix. It's either number one or number two on the netflix and for some reason, by the way, I completely missed this story in the early 90s about the menendez brothers.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, like, maybe I was that at the same time as the oj trial close yeah oj, oj would have been 94, 95 yeah, I think I either got so swept up in that and I was just like I can't do this again or whatever. But yeah, watching this. I don't know if you've heard about this series on Netflix.
Speaker 2:I know it exists.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm watching it. I want to say it's eight or nine part series. I did finish it. It's excellent, but I did not know how it ended, or whatever. But I did not know how it ended, or whatever. And you really, which is amazing to me, because I usually at least know how the story.
Speaker 3:But I didn't want to ask anyone, I wasn't Googling it, I just wanted to watch it out. But anyway, the first episode. I go to watch it and here comes a song on the radio and it's the two brothers driving along and it's Milli Vanilli Blame it on the Rain. And they actually played the other three songs off. Pretty good too. And I was just girl, you know it's true. That was actually the name of the album. I believe it was girl, you know it's true.
Speaker 3:Written in 1989 which is a little foreshadowing, considering the fact that there was nothing true about no, no, I believe the uh hit maker, diane warren, who was the writer of the the track, blame it on the rain? Um, probably was, you know when. When she wrote it probably was thinking it was all true and whatnot, and you know who knows her involvement in this whole thing, but um, it was one of their most successful singles that reached at number one actually on the board hot 100 in late 1989. It's a great song, it's a great record.
Speaker 3:It's a great record. It was, it was almost. Is it a stretch to say it's one of the perfect songs of that year?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Pop music confection perfection.
Speaker 3:Yep, just absolute storm the words to it. It's a classic tale about a failed relationship. To it it's a classic tale about a failed relationship. Uh, the person narrating it kind of deflected the blame on outside forces like the rain, the stars, moon, everything but the actual what was going on in the relationship. Um, it conveys the idea that sometimes we try to justify our mistakes by pointing to things that are uncontrollable and so forth. Musically, like I was saying, it's emblematic of the late 1980s pop sound. It features very, very polished production song and it's got a strong mid-tempo groove with a very catchy chorus, absolutely Glossy synthetic instrumentation that was, which was the sound at the time.
Speaker 2:That's that it was the synth mtv-ish.
Speaker 3:I mean, it was yeah and then I have, and then I have in my notes again. I know this is a podcast, no one can see this, I'd hold it up, but I got, however underlined. However, Milli Vanilli's success came crashing down when it was revealed in 1990 that the duo members Fab Morvan and Rob Paulaitis had not actually sung on any of the records, including Big Bit on the Rain. Nope, they were simply lip syncing their performances over vocals provided by studio singers Yep. The scandal caused a massive backlash, resulting in the group being stripped of their Grammy award Grammy Best New Artist, Grammy Yep, and they faced obviously public disgrace because of that. They faced obviously public disgrace because of that. However, as all the years have passed, despite the controversy, I would say Blame it on the Rain remains a very catchy pop tune from the late 80s. There's still a little bit of jokes and whatnot around Vanilli and so forth.
Speaker 2:I mean, milli Vanilli is now a shorthand for faking it, right? Oh, milli Vanilli, did you know kind of stuff? Oh yeah, absolutely. And that will until the last person that was alive in 1989 is no longer with us. It will continue to be a cultural touchstone, I think. Right, yeah, yeah, agreed.
Speaker 3:How would you compare Vanilla Vanilla to another artist from the almost exact same time, Vanilla Ice? Oh God, I mean, he did a little bit on his own, yeah Well have you ever heard of Vanilla?
Speaker 2:Ice interview where he tries to explain how they didn't lift the entire baseline from Queen. No, no, no, no, it's two different things. Queen goes dun dun, dun, dun, dun dun, and ours goes dun dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun dun dun. There's an extra straight face, straight face that. That? No, no, no, it's not the exact same baseline.
Speaker 2:Two birds of a feather from different birds, or I don't know what it is, because you know the, the, there's a couple of great podcasts on Milli Vanilli and the story, like four parters where they really talk about it and there was some sad I think fab committed suicide and there's. But you know it, and there was some sad, I think fab committed suicide, but you know it wrecked them pretty good. But you know, for the first two records, well, first of all, the record was made before they even found those two guys. You know this is.
Speaker 3:Oh, glad I did not. Okay, so I have not seen.
Speaker 2:The story, yeah, so the story is.
Speaker 2:I believe it was a German producer that had had some other success producing other artists and, you know, literally did the like. Well, not to really drag this in, but you know the first Boston record is all Tom Scholz with just Brad Delp singing. All the other guys came in afterward because Scholz put it together in his basement Very similar. All the other guys came in afterwards because Scholz put it together in his basement Very similar. This guy, this German producer, put this record together, brought in session people that he had worked with on his other records and they sang it all.
Speaker 2:It was like this is really good, but you know they're dumpy white people, you know, in the in the 80s. And so you get these two good looking guys, you know that can dance live performances, and they went up and accepted the Grammy, like they, you know they had. They had literally gotten themselves into a place where no, no, no, we, that is us, even though it wasn't, you know, and and at that point it had gotten, and I don't remember how it all broke. It didn't just, it wasn't just because somebody figured out either. You know the Milliillie guys that rob and fab started making a noise, like you know, but somehow it came out and obviously the producer didn't care. It's like it doesn't matter to me. They didn't give me the grammy and I got all the royalties from this record, so, um, but that's what it was. It was a studio guy who had made lots of those, those kinds of synthy poppy kind of stuff with studio musicians and found a couple people to lip sync.
Speaker 3:I wonder, in that story that you saw, did it come out, whether or not? I'm just kind of wondering, don't you think, as you're coming up with this, like you're sitting in the room around the table, like let's get these two guys to sing it, like does nobody say at some point in time what happens when this comes out?
Speaker 2:Yeah Well maybe they didn't expect it to be what it turned out to be. Yeah, but I mean, you know, not to keep a James Bond villain kind of stuff is, you'll just assume you'll get away with it, or that, or maybe they didn't care because they were going to make money and they don't care that those two guys wouldn't be so stupid, right?
Speaker 2:you know, here's, here's a gravy train. All you need to do is do promo every three years for the record. I don't know, but yeah, I don't know what they had planned. As we all know, being the music business, contracts can mean little to nothing if somebody decides they want to blow something up too. So I don't know, but it's such a great story. I'm sorry that people's lives were ruined and all that. Don't get me wrong, but it's the kind of thing that, literally, you would expect to be, like in a Hallmark movie, right.
Speaker 3:You know, like, like, and if you'd written it, somebody would have said no no, so I just that just reminded me of this had happened something similar to this in the 60s, and yet I don't know if it was the people behind the band or what, but it obviously didn't take a turn like this because eventually they did start doing.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Monkees, the.
Speaker 1:Monkees.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but at least all four of them were musicians they were, and they were hired because of their musical background. Yeah, right yes, yeah, because of the tv show, right and?
Speaker 3:and they always at least sang for the first three records specifically and I think I was reminded of that when you said Milli Vanilli got to a point where they thought they could sing it or whatever. Well, the Monkees actually worked their way into being able to sing all their songs and there are people that think those last couple records, aries, capricorn and Jones or whatever that was in the head are you know and are good of.
Speaker 2:Of all of them I liked a lot of Nesmith's post monkey stuff I did too, yeah Cause it had that kind of that country rock thing to it. And yeah, but yes, again similar but different in the sense that what they were doing was miming on the show. Right Cause Dolan's wasn't really a drummer. He became one, good enough to do the stage show and all that. Right, but Davy Jones was a hell of a tambourine player.
Speaker 2:Yes, he was yeah sure was yeah, so but yeah, there's a well. And then the other one was oh gosh, again, it would be great if we prepared who was the singer Not Jessica Simpson, but her sister. Oh, ashley Simpson, yeah on.
Speaker 3:Saturday. Night Live yes yeah, yep, yep, I forgot about that, yeah.
Speaker 2:So all different.
Speaker 3:That was terrible, though, because that was a sound issue, right Like she was singing and the sound stopped, or vice versa or whatever, and like a technical F up, you know where. And yeah, no, there's no, no doubt in that one, but at that point though, I think, prior to that, I think there were a lot of musicians that would mouth it in concert.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah oh, lip syncing on TV was not a big deal, except on Saturday Night Live. The whole point was it was live.
Speaker 3:It was live Right.
Speaker 3:But I heard that at concerts, sometimes in the 80s. Like the first time I ever, I went to the. I don't know if I'm proud, embarrassed or really feeling old now. I went to the Like a Virgin tour, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, madge, she didn't sound anything like her album. Her voice was so doctored on her stuff. Now I think it's, I think I've. I'm not a monster fan or anything, but I think she leveled it out a little bit more now where I think she sounds a little bit more like she's caught up with voice, if you will, yeah, but um, I think yeah, a lot of people did that oh and, and I and I think they still do now with but now with what you can do with keyboards and have all the sounds in there, you can have a trumpet.
Speaker 2:I mean you could. You've had for many years. It's not like it's a new thing now, but you know there was lots of that um, where you'd have it wasn't as live as you thought.
Speaker 3:It was kind of stuff um you know where it is, live every time 100 of the time I said again I said do you know where it is? Live every time, a hundred percent of the time. I shouldn't make this claim without knowing for sure, but I'm gonna anyway. Go, go, go, it's going to be all live. There'll be nothing recorded there That'll be live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, that's for sure, because in order to have any recordings, backing tracks, we would have to plan and prepare. Nobody wants to do that. We don't. We don't even have a click track for the drummer. That's how unprepared we are so they're they're back there like where are we going with this? Where are we going with this? Yeah, it's a nice one. That was man. You are a professional disc jockey. That was very nice that was great.
Speaker 3:I was thinking, uh, side note, and everybody else doesn't need to hear this, but since we're, since we're rolling the tape, a job that I could have for the upcoming show, if you want I could hold up the cue card that has the next song.
Speaker 2:Yeah. How do you look in a bikini?
Speaker 3:and high heels. Oh my, I don't know about a bikini, but I did recently buy one of those Will Ferrell swimsuit things. It's a flag swimsuit.
Speaker 2:We'll talk, I'll have my people call your people. All right, boy, that took an ugly turn. I'm not sure where to go with it. That's perfect leads right back into millie vanillie millie vanillie, so I don't but I gotta tell you, I gotta it was.
Speaker 3:It was fun though I was this is not a song. Any of their songs, uh, are not songs that I. I probably have them on a 80s playlist of some sort or whatever, but don't frequently listen to them, and it was very fun knowing that it was coming up on the show to hear.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:And I believe they played three or four Mil Huvanoli songs throughout the series.
Speaker 2:Oh did they? Yeah, probably to bring you back to that time, yeah right, well, and, and it's uh, it was part of the scandalous pop culture at that time too. Right that right, so it's I'm sure I'm sure the producers cackled a little bit when they said what can we play?
Speaker 3:millie vanillian, yeah, oh yeah, absolutely I'll make sure to send the producers a link to the show.
Speaker 2:So they can care about it. That Menendez thing wasn't going anywhere until it appeared on the Quadcast. Right Now it's going to be the number one, right through the ceiling. The folks at Netflix, you can send the check to William Garrett, all right? So we've talked a lot about it. Let's listen to, because, girl, you Do Know it's True, this is Milli Vanilli, and Blame it On the Rain. Yeah, yeah, mike.
Speaker 3:You are up next and the next song is anything but what the Band Name Is.
Speaker 2:Nice, very nice. That's off the top of the head. No, that's improv, babe.
Speaker 3:Improv, yes, but Next song is by the band. Garbage. I believe you may or may not know a member of the band.
Speaker 2:I have bumped into a person changing a flat tire one time believe you introduced me to him last year that so this is our dear friends.
Speaker 2:Garbage the song is. I'm only happy when it rains and we'll take a little bit before we get into the song, talk about garbage lineage and why it is important to Joey's song and the quad cast. So Three or four time Grammy winner I lose track and they're not my Grammys. Butch Vig, who, if you don't know his name, you know the music he's been involved with Nirvana's, nevermind and Smashing Pumpkins, mind and smashing pumpkin, siamese dream and foo fighters, greatest hits, record tracks and green day and sonic youth and lots of other bands besides his own band, garbage. Uh, bv has been uh, behind, either writing the songs, playing the drums or behind the mix. Oh, silver sun pickups. Oh, my forgetting silver sun pickups. Of course he did. Portugal, the man first was on SoundtrackWork. Just go to BV's Wikipedia page and let your jaw drop of everybody amazing that he's produced. He's got a Grammy for producing a Paul McCartney record. He's produced our pal Wayne Newton, so you name it. Bv's been a part of it.
Speaker 2:Butch and I were both kicking around the Madison Wisconsin music scene in the early to mid 80's. He was having success in his band Spooner, and I was just trying to get through college and you were a fill back for the Badgers, yeah, and I wasn't successful at any of that stuff. But Butch and I were friends, along with Duke Erickson who was the lead singer. So Butch was in a band called Spooner, which was the big Madison college band and everybody was even money that that was the band that was going to break big. And Duke was the singer in the band believe it or not, even though he doesn't sing with Garbage. So we kicked around the same circles back in the 80s and then I went off to go to DePaul for grad school and Butch went on to win Grammy Awards and MTV Moon Men and I did not go on to do either one of those two things.
Speaker 2:And so when we were putting together Joey's song, one of the records that Butch produced was Freedy Johnston's this Cruel Something, cruel World. Sorry I'm having a stage fright here, but it had Bad Reputation which won him the Rolling Stone Songwriter of the Year in 92. And Freedy was living in Madison at the time and he had helped me with the first couple of Joey's song records. Garbage came through town doing a double bill at the local minor league baseball thing, warner Park here with Flaming Lips. So Freedy and I went, butch and I got reconnected and he made the incredibly stupid mistake of saying well, what can I do to help with your charity? And from then on his life has been mine, and so we've literally ever since that night Butch has been my right-hand man with Joey Song and helps with a bazillion things that we can get into at some future Joey Song focused quadcast. But Butch has his own band and they have been around 20 plus years and their fan base is astonishingly loyal.
Speaker 2:The people that are Garbage fans and Shirley Manson fans are insane and I mean that in a good way, right, having just gotten done going off on a Beatles jag with you. I have no problem with people that are insane about music, but Garbage came out in the 90s and it was really groundbreaking stuff because it was kind of techno, kind of punk, kind of industrial, with some of that kind of almost emo pathos on top of it, and there's no song. There's no song that represents that more than the song that we're talking about here today. I'm only happy when it rains.
Speaker 2:If you don't know Garbage, it's probably the one Garbage song that you know, because there's still a good chance as you're picking out your bananas and rutabagas at the grocery store, that it might play over the sound system up there and it's kind of a grungy, emo-y kind of thing. You know the feelings. It's got real emotional intensity. So the idea is, and maybe in January, william, when BB comes through town, we can ask him. William, when BB comes through town, we can ask him. I'm not sure if it's parody or not, because you could argue that it might be kind of making fun of the angst that dominated the 90s, right, that kind of stuff with the. You know, I'm only happy when it rains, I'm only happy when it's complicated. And you know, pour your misery down on me and all of these things.
Speaker 3:Make a note of that, William, in our book.
Speaker 2:Ask Butch whether it's parody or meant, because I can argue it both ways and either way the song works. You know it. Just everything about it works. It's got that the edge. I mean Duke and Steve's guitar on it is great and BV's drumming is always great. But, as with most garbage things, shirley's ability to emote, shirley's ability to be both snarky and vulnerable at the same time, both hard and soft at the same time, be on edge but also be lovable at the same time and if you've ever met Shirley, you know she's all of those things when you meet her as well. She's, she's a marvelous, a marvelous, complicated artist and again, I mean that in in all the best way, um and so. And they went on to produce other you know songs queer and stupid girl and they did a bond theme, um, which has to be right up there on the uh, the checklist of things you want to do in your career is to do a Bond theme. But they did a Bond theme as well and it's just obviously they're near and dear to my heart because of what they do for Joey Song. They were from Madison, right?
Speaker 2:Butch and Steve Marker are the two that started Smart Studios to do a quick side lesson and I recommend highly that you go find the Smart Studio story on Netflix or any place. It's about a 90-minute documentary that was done by our friend here in Madison and Wendy Schneider and it interviews a lot of the folks that were involved in those days. I believe Grohl is in it, I know corgan's in it, lots of those bands. Oh, he produced soul asylum too. I can't even believe, as I'm naming all the bands that bv's produced, that we didn't mention soul asylum and uh, misery, um, and it talks a lot about that and you can really understand it. But you know that was all here in good old Madison, wisconsin. The building is still there today and it all came out of.
Speaker 2:He's called the godfather of grunge and it's hard to argue with that, and those guys were all Marker wasn't in. Spooner with ended up even in a dumpier place than where they ended up and all this amazing, amazing music came out of it. So I don't know. I know you're not, that's not your genre. How would you categorize a band like Garbage William If somebody said put him in a category. I've never heard him before. What do they sound like?
Speaker 3:never heard them before. What do they sound like? Uh, I would say a 90s band, which would make it in the grunge family. Yeah, yeah, the category.
Speaker 3:If I had to pick one yeah um, yeah, I probably would say that I don't know. Yeah, I will say this and you can shoot this down or not. I did have the opportunity to meet Butch last year for a good two, three minutes. I spoke to him. I have the gift so I can tell within that period of time whether I like someone or not. I found him to be incredibly humble. Oh yeah, I found him to be incredibly humble. Oh yeah, and just like, just like, a real like could have been a guy just standing out on the street that you run in and talk to. Yeah, and then I'm not even really sure the exact moment I met him. If I knew who he was, yeah, you interviewed, he wouldn't tell you if you came up and I sure wouldn't.
Speaker 3:I had. No, I had no idea. I'm like, oh my God, you're the godfather is a great TV. Yeah, yeah, I'm saying the godfather.
Speaker 2:I always, when people ask me, I just say he's a kid from Verocco, wisconsin. Yeah, with a gift that all of us would kill for, yeah.
Speaker 3:And he doesn't act like for one second, like there's any, he doesn't big time you at all?
Speaker 2:yeah, none of that. No, and I gotta be honest with you and if you're listening to this bv, I wish you would big time me a little bit, because I'd like him to use it to bring some more artists to joey song.
Speaker 2:He's like oh they're not gonna care what I have to say oh yeah, they might, yeah, they might you kind of want a grammy with paul mccney, so I think you might have a little sway in the business, bebe A little bit more. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting because, like I said in my little preamble, there there's a little bit of techno. In there there's a little bit of industrial. You can hear a little ministry in some of those guitars. But Shirley doesn't sound like any of those other 90s singers. She doesn't sound like courtney love. She doesn't sound like um nina and louise from veruca salt. She's got her own. Uh, that's. That's the very distinctive part for me of garbage yeah, I would agree with that and I do.
Speaker 3:I actually struggle a little bit with certain bands as far as putting them in just a specific category per se, as like they're unique kind of yeah, I don't know something about them that they're not. They don't remind me at all of like pearl jam or no nirvana or anything like that grungy but's the one. I guess it's probably because of when they started, right.
Speaker 2:Why go back? Well, and it's another example, I think too we were talking about it in the first segment of the show you know Smokey being able to take dark things and making them Right show. You know Smokey being able to take dark things and making them Garbage. Garbage can be emo without the emo, right, if you think about it. But there's no shoegazing involved in it, there's no gothy. You know, standing in the corner banging your head against the wall kind of side to it. You know, standing in the corner banging your head against the wall kind of side to it, and that's I think I started this by saying they have one of the most ravenous fan bases I have ever seen in rock, and I think that's why, because to that certain audience that likes some of that angst, but without the, the drudgery, the yougery, the kind of Dickensian death march side of it that can come with emo and some of that, and I think that's the real magic.
Speaker 2:I think it's the magic lyrically. I think it's the magic that they have. And again, just the title of the darn song I'm only happy when it rains, right, I mean that in those words mixes both of that together. I'm only happy when it's really, you know, it's perfect, it's just everything about it, everything about it, is perfect.
Speaker 3:I guess it'll be interesting to hear and this is an invitation to we're expecting probably about four million listeners to this podcast this week, probably about 4 million listeners to this podcast this week. I'd like to personally invite all of you to the upcoming Joey's Song concerts in January, which we'll be talking a little bit more about.
Speaker 2:And you can let us know how you feel about what kind of genre they remind you of. Yeah, I think that's a great idea and again, we'll put it down on our. When we go have a cocktail with Butch, ask him how he would classify their music. And I think and now I'm going to do a little bit of Joey's song in this, because what you hinted at there, william, I think is part of the magic of the benefit, and why we've been so fortunate with people coming back is because people then get out of their comfort zone and play songs that they don't normally play. For those of you that this is your first time listening to the Quadcast, or your first introduction to Joey's song, it's a charity event that we put on every year to raise money for epilepsy research, and Butch is kind of my musical director in part of that, and we have all these guests.
Speaker 2:This year it's 2024 as we're recording this, because, who knows, william, people might be listening to this 10 years from now. I'm sure, right, I'm sure very much like the beatles being a touchstone, ours will be a podcasting touchstone, um, and so this year we've got members from the bangles and the gogos and the goo goo dolls and toto and fountains of wayne and lots of other port the man and Silver Sun, pickups and Laura Jane Grace, and they all play concerts during the week but then on Saturday we get together and it's just a big all-star jam of covers and Beatles songs and ACDC and T-Rex and all of these amazing stuff and I think in the end, no matter where everybody's classified with the music they make for a profession, it all comes back to. You know, gaddad and three chords and a chorus about making out in the backseat with Ellie Mae. You know, I mean, that's what they all like to do. And I want to say grunge, but not in the 90s style of grunge, but grunge kind of in the gritty or maybe gritty is a better way to say it the grittier it is.
Speaker 2:As we're taping this, I'm in the middle of email threads between all the artists figuring out songs and the one way for anybody to get a hell yeah, say hey, we should do Slade, you know, you're, you know, or that kind of the. The the grittier, the better. And I think that's because so much of what they do on a daily basis is slick and prepared and all this.
Speaker 2:And here's here's their chance to play xylophone on a Slade song or something Right so so joeysongorg.
Speaker 2:Depending on when you listen to this, if you're listening to it after January 11th of 2025, we probably already have the dates up for the next one, so even go there anyway. I appreciate my pal William pointing it out and that's why we finished up with Butch and Garbage because Butch and Duke are a big part of what we do and are a big's why we finished up with butch and garbage because butch and duke are a big part of what we do and our big reason why we're successful and this is something you do not want to miss.
Speaker 3:it is the I'm not saying this just because I'm have the uh privilege of being riding shotgun on, but it is the musical events of your lifetime, for sure the year, but probably of your lifetime.
Speaker 2:It is pretty fun.
Speaker 3:I've been to a lot of musical events that would be of the lifetime variety, and I'm not sure I can come up with anything that tops my experience from the 2024 Joey song.
Speaker 2:It is a lot of fun. I will not do any false modesty on this one. We have stumbled into quite a fun format fun format.
Speaker 3:That's the thing about it. It's just fun with a capital ph. That's a t-shirt, by the way.
Speaker 2:Joy song is p-h-u-n fun I thought we're gonna go into now. If you're gonna going to go through a hole, we'll now use the number four instead of quad cast, like Prince would do, and all that other stuff. Right, right.
Speaker 3:Or like we used to give high fours when we went to Lambeau Field to watch our quarterback, brett Favre high fours.
Speaker 2:I thought the fours were for the Super Bowls. Oh, anyway, anywho. Anyway, with that William, it's been another great quadcast. I can't wait for our weekend retreat production meeting, where we figure out the next topic.
Speaker 3:I am looking forward to it as well. Reminder, check out the Spotify which will be on the Quadcast Facebook page, and we'll also be putting up any updates to the upcoming Joey's Song event. You can see about there. You can go to. Joysongorg is another place you can go to see that.
Speaker 2:And we are at Joey's Song on all the various, everything but X, because we don't support fascism. So there's my one political comment for the day, but otherwise at Joey's Song everywhere else.
Speaker 3:And as far as the tickets, we're not quite yet in the zone of. We're worried about selling out.
Speaker 2:But maybe by the time this hits the airwaves we could be so you should really start thinking about it now. Yeah, that's a good point. We have sold out the last four years and last year tickets were gone by mid-december so your things got dicey if you waited to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I wanted to bring that.
Speaker 2:Good point.
Speaker 3:But we will be hammering that before we get super, super close. But if you're a longtime listener, first-time caller to the call, and you've heard us talk about this a couple times and you're like you know what I'm interested in, that you should go take a look now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, take a flyer. Your heart will feel good from helping out and your feet will feel good from dancing. I can't attest to how your liver will feel or your brain will feel the next day, because it is Wisconsin after all.
Speaker 3:There is that, but I'm a survivor. I have a sticker to prove it that I survived my first Joey song.
Speaker 2:You do, you do, and you were sort of upright at the end of it. You were tilting a little bit.
Speaker 3:Pretty good yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was good. All right, everybody. Thank you for listening to the Quadcast. Stick around. Another one will be coming up soon and God only knows what the topic will be. There you go Right. And if you are following us on Facebook, the Instagram or any of those other stuff, if you've got suggestions for topics of a topic where there'll be four interesting songs, shoot us an email or do comment on the socials and we'll do our best to put it in there. Sounds good? All right, william, take care of yourself. I will see you soon, all right? All right, bye everybody. Bye everybody.
Speaker 1:I'm only happy when it rains. I'm only happy when it's complicated. I know I know you can't appreciate it. I'm only happy when it rains. You know I love it when the music's bad. Why it feels so good to feel so sad. I'm only happy when it rains.
Speaker 2:Well, there you have it, another episode of the Joey Song Podcast. Thanks so much for listening. Remember you can find out about all of our upcoming events and all the work that we do at joeysongorg. You can also follow us on all social media. Our handles on all of them are at joeysong. If you'd like to help us out, you can help spread the word about the Joey Song Podcast. Go to the platform where you get your podcasts. They all have some sort of ranking system stars, hearts, whatever it might be and give us a five-heart star rating and also leave some comments that would be great and let your friends know about the Joey Song Podcast. All of that stuff helps our podcast bubble up the charts and get some more views and spread the word about Joey's son. Thanks again for listening. We'll see you at the show.
Speaker 1:© transcript Emily Beynon.
