Beating Mold Toxicity: Jeremy’s Detox Journey to Better Health

In this episode of the Rebel Health Collective podcast, we sit down with Jeremy Arteago to discuss his powerful journey of overcoming mold toxicity. After battling unexplained symptoms such as chronic fatigue, brain fog, and gut health issues, Jeremy discovered that mold in his home was the root cause. He shares how functional health approaches helped him recover and reclaim his well-being.

Jeremy’s story offers hope and practical insights for anyone facing similar health challenges. Tune in to learn how mold can silently wreak havoc on your health, how to identify its presence in your life, and actionable steps to take control of your well-being through functional health strategies.

Key Topics Discussed:

• Understanding mold toxicity and its impact on the body
• Common symptoms of mold exposure: chronic fatigue, brain fog, gut issues
• Jeremy’s journey of discovering mold as the root cause of his health issues
• How functional health approaches helped him heal
• The role of environmental toxins like mold in long-term health issues
• How to detect mold in your home and body
• Practical steps to detox from mold and reclaim your health

What You’ll Learn:

• The connection between mold toxicity and symptoms like fatigue, brain fog, and digestive issues
• Why mold is often overlooked in traditional healthcare
• How functional health approaches can treat mold toxicity and improve brain and gut health
• How to test for mold in your environment and body
• Natural methods to support detoxification and improve your overall health

Resources Mentioned:

• ERMI Test for mold detection
• Functional health supplements for mold detox: binders, NAC, glutathione, and more
• Jeremy’s online community for mold toxicity support

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Transcript

Josh Bostick 
Hey, well.

Thanks for joining into another episode of Rebel Health Collective podcast. I've got a very interesting guest who honestly is outside my comfort zone.  I hope he's comfortable with talking and not having me give any inputs because his topic is super interesting, but something that I have never really even thought about as far as medical impacts and health. So I'm going to go ahead and just turn it right over to Jeremy and he's going to tell us about

his exposure with mold and just the path of overcoming mold toxicity and all the health impacts that he's gone through. So I'll turn it over to you Jeremy.

Jeremy Arteago (00:50.446)
Okay, sure.  I'm Jeremy. So I guess I'll start with, I've been battling mold for over three years now, and, I finally figured out how to get myself better. I would say I'm about 90 % healed at this point. but it's been a long up and down, up and down battle of doing a lot of wrong things, doing a lot of right things, getting a lot of good advice, getting a lot of bad advice.

unfortunately from you know doctors and practitioners that I thought that would be giving me good advice but anyway yeah I've been I've been struggling with mold exposure in our HVAC system since March of 2021 and it took about almost a year before we even realized that mold was the the culprit like it was the one that was causing all the problems

And so we moved from California to Missouri in March. I started developing symptoms the next month. So like in April, I started getting really bad bloating, which I had never really experienced before. I started getting tired and fatigued and I'm usually a pretty motivated person, but I find it hard to like have the desire to work and, and, you know, do any kind of extracurricular activities.

And it started within a month of being exposed to the mold that we I didn't know that I was exposed to at that time

Josh Bostick (02:21.865)
Wow, so they came on, it came on quick. Wow.

Jeremy Arteago (02:24.598)
It came on quick. Yeah. And I thought it was just, one, I'm getting older or two. I moved across the States, you know, from California to Missouri. Maybe there's, you know, something, maybe it's allergies or something that I've never been exposed to before. So I didn't think too much of it, in the beginning at least, but it progressively got worse and worse to the point where we had to look into, you know, what was causing this.

Josh Bostick (02:51.485)
And was the symptoms just, you know, the fatigue and it was that the main one or were there other and I guess you said bloating as well.

Jeremy Arteago (03:01.838)
Yeah, the main, everyone experiences mold toxicity differently. My biggest symptom would be like fatigue and tiredness and the bloating, the gastrointestinal issues. Those are the main ones, the ones that you could actually see. Like I'm sleeping 12 hours every day, plus I'm taking naps for two to three hours at a time every day. Like that's pretty noticeable. The ones that you can't really

Josh Bostick (03:18.046)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (03:31.882)
seeing somebody per se is like the brain fog.

and the mental clarity not quite being there or the ability to recall names or recall dates or just your mental acuity just slowly goes down the more you're exposed. And so, yeah, it took a while for that to happen and you pair that mental stuff with the physical stuff and it's like, okay, it's time to figure out what's going on. This can't just be old age or a new environment or a new state. Yeah, right, like, yeah.

Josh Bostick (03:48.212)
Wow.

Josh Bostick (04:01.301)
or allergies or something like that. Wow, and so you ended up going to see a doctor once you were like, something's up, like I'm sleeping a ton, I'm not going out and I'm not hiking 12 miles a day or anything like that. I should be better rested and then guess you noticed some of the mental side of it as well.

Jeremy Arteago (04:22.42)
Yeah, so we actually decided to, I think it was my wife actually that was thinking it could have been possibly mold. So before I even went to a doctor, I usually try to not go to doctors unless I absolutely have to. But so she figured it could be mold. So we hired an inspector or a mold remediation company to come do a quick test in the house. And what they found was that there was definitely mold in some of the areas.

Josh Bostick (04:30.7)
wow, okay.

Jeremy Arteago (04:52.374)
So it was in the HVAC, it was underneath the stairs, and one of the biggest spots was on the roof. So like if you're in the garage, our master bedroom is above it.

Josh Bostick (05:07.112)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (05:07.212)
The people that we bought the home from didn't live there. They bought the home just to flip it. So they did all of their own repairs themselves and they messed up on sealing the toilet correctly. So every time we flushed the toilet, it would leak water. And so over time, all of that water got into basically a big old ball of mold that I was being exposed to every time we came in and out of the garage.

Josh Bostick (05:13.727)
Gotcha.

Josh Bostick (05:34.559)
Wow, and you were sleeping above it too, right? Wow.

Jeremy Arteago (05:37.762)
Sleeping above it too, and if it was in the bathroom, which some of it was, we were breathing it in, you know, in our master bedroom, plus it was in the HVAC and the air handler unit. So every time we turn on the heat, every time we turn on the air conditioner, it's just going through all the ducts throughout the entire house. So yeah, we had to get it fixed and then we had to get out of there.

Josh Bostick (05:49.269)
just

Josh Bostick (05:57.139)
Wow.

And if it's circulating like that in the HVAC system, does that mean it could go onto your bedding, for instance? mean, does it float like that where it's in this centralized spot, it starts spreading through the air, and then could it cultivate in a different area? Does that make sense? OK.

Jeremy Arteago (06:16.216)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (06:22.7)
Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely it can. That's a really good question. So the mold spores are flying everywhere. So they're landing on the couch, on the bed. You can't see them.

but we know that they fly around and land on other stuff and they can grow their own. They can grow from there. They can get into your body if you're breathing it in, which is what happened to me, gets inside of you. It can colonize in your gut, colonize in your sinuses.

And on top of that, it's not the actual mold per se that's causing the problems. It's mycotoxins, which are the toxins that mold produce. yeah, so if you're around mold, if you're allergic to mold, that may be one thing. If you had what I had, which is like mycotoxin toxicity, it's getting...

Josh Bostick (07:05.567)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (07:18.626)
I don't know if I could say infested, but like pretty much overloaded with mycotoxins that are causing havoc in my body, which was causing all of the symptoms. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (07:27.76)
Interesting, okay. was it a, I mean, so I think like black mold whenever I hear mold, was it a certain type of mold that was in the house?

Jeremy Arteago (07:40.742)
So yeah, there was at least three different species of mold in that house. We ended up moving into another house. We didn't know that it had mold, but it had even more than that. yeah, the second house, unfortunately. But yeah, back in this house, the very first house, it had, I can't remember the exact species, but it had the ones, the bad ones, which are like the black molds.

Josh Bostick (07:53.215)
The second house did? my gosh.

Josh Bostick (08:06.174)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (08:09.654)
It's interesting because not all black molds are bad and not all all molds produce mycotoxins Some of them are just fine by themselves but there's definitely a lot of them that pose threats and Also when they feel threatened that's when they shoot out their mycotoxins everywhere and get you sick

Josh Bostick (08:13.278)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (08:17.279)
Gotcha, okay.

Josh Bostick (08:30.719)
Wow, okay, so you had the perfect storm of probably the worst possible dispenser of mold just shooting around the house everywhere and three different types and then round two of a new house fresh start that was worse than the last one. Wow.

Jeremy Arteago (08:50.548)
Yeah, it was. Yeah, I had already done. This was last October of last year when we moved again into the house that we did a different type of testing that was more accurate. It's an environmental dust test. A lot of people that think that they have mold do it from EnviroBiomics. It's called the ERMI test. this one. It's a do it yourself.

Josh Bostick (09:07.135)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (09:14.313)
OK, and is that like a specialist or an Amazon order type test? OK, nice. I'll put that in the show notes. So it's there if anybody has any concerns. Cool.

Jeremy Arteago (09:20.224)
So you order it.

Jeremy Arteago (09:25.422)
Yeah, I wish we would have done. Okay. Well, I wish we would have done that first I'll say that because when we bought this house last October we had the inspector do a mold test but all they did was an air test and so basically they test the outside air for molds then they test the inside and they compare the differences and I guess it wasn't that much different. So they're like everything's fine

Josh Bostick (09:36.725)
Mm

Jeremy Arteago (09:52.75)
There's no mold in this house, nothing to be worried about. But then we ordered the ERMI test online. They send you a kit and you just kind of go around with a kind of like a little Swiffer thing, something similar to this. And you get dust from up above door frames or windows and down on the floorboards. You send it in their lab and then they do the tests there. And once it's complete, they send you the results. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (09:56.063)
thing.

Josh Bostick (10:07.263)
Good -bye.

Josh Bostick (10:16.863)
Wow, that's really cool.

Jeremy Arteago (10:19.704)
But yeah, it's, I guess it's one of the most accurate ones. It's, from what I understand, it's way better than doing the air testing. That's not all that accurate.

Josh Bostick (10:29.919)
Dang, and price point pretty reasonable to do.

Jeremy Arteago (10:32.814)
I mean, I'd say this is pretty reasonable. It's like $240 to 25

Josh Bostick (10:38.439)
Okay, so moving into a new house, new apartment, potential good thing to do, and if you're, you know, just got some symptoms that you can't figure out, money worthwhile, I'd say.

Jeremy Arteago (10:49.838)
In the grand scheme of things, yeah, like if you add up all the stuff is super freaking expensive. Especially since you can't really go to a doctor to get a diagnosis. Most of the doctors won't address mold or they won't...

say that it's an illness or they won't say it's the cause of your illness. So you want to get help in most cases you have to go to like an integrative health care center or a functional medicine place which I think you mentioned doing but it's all out of pocket for the most part. So I'll add

Josh Bostick (11:10.261)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (11:17.727)
Mm -hmm. Yep.

All out of pocket, yep.

Jeremy Arteago (11:24.398)
Yeah, so if you could prove I would say this if you can prevent yourself from getting sick from mold by spending 225 240 bucks from an army Definitely do it because once you get sick and you try to heal it from there. It's thousands of dollars this Yeah

Josh Bostick (11:39.703)
Yep, can vouch for that.

Josh Bostick (11:43.961)
Well, I definitely just took us down a tangent and I apologize for that. You were going through and saying that your wife did the test, you guys identified the mold, and then where did you go from there?

Jeremy Arteago (11:57.026)
Got it. Okay, so we had the mold stuff cleaned up, remediated in our home. I knew that we probably didn't want to stay there just in case they didn't do that great of a job. I mean, they said it was all done. So that's all fine and well. So we ended up, we sold that house and we actually ended up, I was super sick at that point. So like to the point where we couldn't really, I,

I just wasn't, I was sleeping all the time for days at a time. So instead of trying to find like a new place to move to and make sure that it was clean and everything, we ended up staying with my mom for a year. She had just moved to Missouri at that point and she had just bought a brand new home. And so we were like, we didn't think it was going to be a year. It was just supposed to be a little bit temporary so that I had a chance to be in a clean environment and like heal myself and then we could move on from there.

Josh Bostick (12:37.715)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (12:55.02)
It took a while to get better. It took about a year at that point before I was actually physically and mentally capable of going out and finding a new place to live.

Josh Bostick (12:56.98)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (13:08.509)
And that's so that's getting back to being able to go out and look at places and get out of the house. That's not back to normal. That's just like.

Jeremy Arteago (13:17.186)
That's not even back to normal at that point. I still at that point didn't, I would say I didn't go like all in on researching mold and the illness and really trying to find out what was going on with me. I listened to the practitioners and I had done my own research online.

Josh Bostick (13:33.993)
Gotcha.

Jeremy Arteago (13:41.678)
I was all the way better, but I wasn't. So at that point, I was good enough to, we could move out and, you know, live on our own and we'd be fine. But when we first moved into my mom's house, that's right when my wife was about to give birth. So this is back in December of 2021.

Josh Bostick (14:02.248)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (14:05.262)
I'm not sure where I was gonna go with this, she had, like, it was the worst time, I guess, for her and us to have a little one. And I wanted to be there, you know, to be able to help her and support her and raise the kid. But a lot of that time, especially in the beginning, was me just getting up, maybe walking the dog if I could, saying hi to the baby. My mom would cook dinner, I'd eat dinner, and then I'd go pass out. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (14:13.545)
Right.

Josh Bostick (14:19.167)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (14:33.333)
Wow, dang. It's crazy how it seems like these things always come on at the worst times. I was diagnosed with the type 1 when my wife was like six months pregnant. So we had like two months to figure all this out, get it in line, and then learn how to be parents. So I can resonate on that struggle. That's not a fun time.

Jeremy Arteago (14:35.554)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (14:57.332)
It's not a fun time.

Josh Bostick (14:57.877)
Especially when you can't get off the couch. mean, you know, I was fine for the most part, but learning to do new things in management is hard. But when you're just feel like crap the whole time, that's 10 times harder.

Jeremy Arteago (15:09.684)
Right, yeah. Yeah, and it's weird because like, I don't know if you experienced this, but for me, it's like I didn't realize how bad I was until I actually started getting like close to being all the way better. Like it was such a slow decline, like bad.

Josh Bostick (15:24.426)
Definitely.

Jeremy Arteago (15:30.69)
But still, it's like you just kind of get used to not feeling very good. And then once you actually start feeling better, you realize like, my gosh, my brain works again, my body works again. I can play with the kid. This is great.

Jeremy Arteago (15:48.066)
You froze. I don't know if that's me or if that's... Are you still there?

Jeremy Arteago (16:11.544)
Are you still with me?

Josh Bostick (16:42.476)
Power outage.

Josh Bostick (16:49.265)
And did I come back?

Josh Bostick (17:05.75)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (17:12.214)
I can't hear you. can see that you came back. It says we're not able to display this camera and mic. I sent you message in the chat. I don't know if you can see that.

.

Josh Bostick (17:40.533)
How about now? All right. Power outage. So the struggle of working off a desktop. maybe, yeah, or we have a phase two going on in the neighborhood and it's been rocky. We'll lose internet all the time and the lights just went out and came back on. So, like just a second phase of the neighborhood. So they've got like our first phase built out and they're doing like, they're building more houses back there.

Jeremy Arteago (17:42.508)
can see you now. There you are.

Jeremy Arteago (17:49.897)
power outage.

Jeremy Arteago (18:00.436)
wait, what's a phase two?

Jeremy Arteago (18:08.391)
I see. Gotcha. Okay.

Josh Bostick (18:10.293)
Yeah so luckily everything that we've done so far should have been saved and recorded. So I'll just splice the two together and should be all good.

Jeremy Arteago (18:20.705)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (18:26.67)
Okay. This says 99 % uploading. Is that...meaningful?

Josh Bostick (18:30.687)
Okay, yeah, that's uploading before I cut out basically. Yeah, so did it restart down on the bottom for you, like the recording? Does it tell you how long we've been going for? It'd be like right by your mic and cameras and all that stuff.

Jeremy Arteago (18:37.257)
Okay

Jeremy Arteago (18:45.006)
I don't think so.

Jeremy Arteago (18:51.126)
I don't know, I don't see anything.

Josh Bostick (18:52.574)
Okay, gotcha. It restarted for me. So it's just sending that other what we've done so far up to the cloud basically. We were talking about.

Jeremy Arteago (19:01.152)
got it. Okay.

Josh Bostick (19:08.735)
like a gradual decline where you didn't know how bad things had gotten. So you want to just pick back up from like, know, saying I had no idea that I was feeling so bad until getting back up or something, we'll roll from there.

Jeremy Arteago (19:09.272)
is

Yes, yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (19:25.56)
Got it, yeah, so I was kinda saying, like, I didn't realize how bad I was.

And like my wife didn't really either because she's seeing me every day and like I'm living with myself every day. So you don't, it's weird that you don't realize like you're going downhill until it's too late. And then on the other end of that, was like towards the end of my getting all the way better, like say April of this year when I really started feeling good again, it was like, holy crap.

Josh Bostick (19:41.44)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (19:57.634)
Like, my god, like I was bad, bad. Like, I can function now, I can move, I have energy, I can think, my brain works, I have energy to play with the kid. Like, just all the stuff that I used to do, like, or I could have done, like before I got sick, I didn't...

Josh Bostick (19:58.292)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (20:12.48)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (20:14.968)
For some reason, not being able to do all of that stuff didn't resonate with me like, this is pretty bad. I don't know how else to explain it, but it's like, I just didn't think it was as bad as it was.

Josh Bostick (20:26.06)
Yeah, I mean definitely, know, mean it's kind of like adding on extra pounds. You know, you do it over the course of eight months until you like look at a picture eight months ago, like, holy crap, like I'm a different person. So yeah, and I was, my diabetes were the same way. I mean, my, my A1C and my blood sugar were just slowly creeping up over time and just the same kind of lethargic, didn't want to do anything. Brain fog too. didn't notice it until I started doing insulin.

Jeremy Arteago (20:38.936)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (20:55.956)
and getting my numbers back down and being able to go for walks and wanting to go for walks and do that kind of stuff. It's crazy. You're totally right. It's like two different spectrums and you don't realize it until you're on the opposite end.

Jeremy Arteago (20:58.54)
Mmm.

Jeremy Arteago (21:09.366)
Yeah, did you notice that you're like making active adjustments to how you were living your life when you weren't feeling all that well? Or was it something that you kind of just did and was like, you know, this, guess this is my new normal now.

Josh Bostick (21:23.286)
I don't know that it like, you, it wasn't active in the sense of like I would, I don't know. That's a good question. I'm trying to think of, I just think it slowly progressed like.

We used to mountain bike all the time. My wife and I were really big into mountain biking. And then it's like, I slowly just lost interest in it, or I just didn't want to. And it wasn't necessarily like diabetes related, but it was the fatigue. And as the diabetes got worse and the fatigue got worse, those kind of interests dwindled away, if that makes sense.

Jeremy Arteago (22:00.054)
That yeah, that totally makes sense. And my wife had mentioned that to me because after we had moved, we're in a new place. There's new things to see. There's new restaurants to go to, new attractions. Branson's got a lot of cool stuff to go check out. And like if I had been well, I definitely would have been interested. I would have wanted to go do those things. But I really just I had no desire to. And so.

Josh Bostick (22:13.153)
exciting times, like, you know.

Josh Bostick (22:23.106)
Right.

Jeremy Arteago (22:29.046)
I didn't understand why, my wife didn't understand why. Now where I'm like, hey babe, let's go do something or let's have date night or you know, let's just get out of the house. She's like, whoa, what's going on? Who are you? I'm back, you know? It's nice.

Josh Bostick (22:40.525)
Who are you? Yeah. Definitely experienced that as well. Did your wife, did the mold affect her at all? Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (22:51.526)
yeah, so that's a good question too. Really good question because it affected her a little bit. And not nearly to the extent that it affected me, thank God. We need one of us to be able to hold it together.

Josh Bostick (22:57.708)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (23:06.795)
Somebody's gotta take care of the kid.

Jeremy Arteago (23:09.358)
Yes, yeah. So what I found out was there's a specific gene called the HLA -DR gene and about 25 % of the population has this specific gene mutation. And apparently I had this gene mutation and she did not.

Josh Bostick (23:16.376)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (23:28.136)
And basically what it is is it makes me more susceptible to becoming ill from toxins and mold. And my body just can't detox it. It can't get the stuff out by itself. My immune system sees that it's a toxin there, but it doesn't recognize it and doesn't know how to neutralize it. It doesn't know how to get it out of my body.

Josh Bostick (23:39.531)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (23:49.29)
Interesting, okay.

Jeremy Arteago (23:50.114)
hers does. So, I mean, she had a little bit more fatigue, but nothing too very severe. It was definitely still affecting her, but her body was just so much better at doing what the body's natural immunity is supposed to do and getting it out of her system. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (24:04.739)
Gotcha. Okay. Interesting.

And so, go ahead.

Jeremy Arteago (24:11.244)
 so I think I was going to say, that's, mean, that's why I think there's a lot of disbelief or maybe confusion or.

Let's say like somebody that has this specific gene mutation is living in a home and they're getting sick and they're, you know, they're going downhill and it's not going good for them, but they're the only one in the household that has this problem. Let's say that they're living with like a significant other or kids or, you know, roommates, whoever, and the other people in the house don't have this specific gene mutation. They're totally fine. So now this one person that's like struggling is trying to explain to them,

Josh Bostick (24:49.26)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (24:51.792)
like something's going on and even if they're like I think it might be mold nobody else has any of these symptoms it's like either we don't believe you or you're making this up or the worst thing you could say is it's all in your head

Josh Bostick (25:04.664)
Yep.

And I honestly, I would have thought mold in the AC, my wife and I are being contaminated the same, which I guess could hold true. But I thought we'd both be affected, you know, and maybe a little more than the other or whatever, just because my wife's stronger and better than me at everything anyway. So she'd probably be better at that. But interesting. OK, so it can vary by person. could be four people living in a house and one person could become severely affected.

it by it. Okay. Gotcha.

Jeremy Arteago (25:37.23)
Yep, exactly. Yeah, and since, you know, the majority, well, yeah, 75 % of the population about has no issues with mold whatsoever. There's not that much recognition, I don't think as much as there needs to be on how bad and how toxic mold can be.

Josh Bostick (25:55.031)
Yeah, it's definitely not like the top of the list of you've got these symptoms. Let's check this out. I mean, like I said earlier, I don't think it'd be on my list at all, honestly.

Jeremy Arteago (26:05.75)
Right, yeah, I mean, because

It's true, mold is everywhere, it's always going to be everywhere, but I think the majority of people just don't think it's that big of a deal. Just because it is everywhere. And they don't talk about it, you know, in the mainstream too much. You can't find a lot of scientific articles, you know, researching mold and its problems. So I think a lot of people just get gaslit and tell them that it's all in their head or, you know, it's something else. don't think misdiagnoses are misdiagnosed.

Josh Bostick (26:14.371)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (26:34.103)
Mm

Jeremy Arteago (26:37.977)
are pretty common. A lot of people end up with like chronic fatigue syndrome or something similar.

Josh Bostick (26:44.37)
They'll get a diagnosis but it won't be treating the root cause which would be the mold. So you could align and say, okay sure you have these symptoms and give it this title and treat this but it's not going do anything. I mean it may help a little but it's not going to be a treatment for a mold and take out the root cause.

Jeremy Arteago (26:56.022)
Mm -hmm.

Jeremy Arteago (27:01.334)
Right.

Jeremy Arteago (27:06.998)
Right, and I don't even think there is a treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome, from what I understand anyway. I think it's just something people are expected to live with. So if you're told, these are your symptoms, there's nothing you can do about it. They don't really go searching for a different potential root cause, essentially.

Josh Bostick (27:14.521)
Yeah, just a...

Josh Bostick (27:24.792)
Right, gotcha, okay. Yeah, that definitely makes sense. And so you found out like, hey, we have mold, it's probably mold. Where did you go see a doctor, a specialist, you mentioned doing some functional medicine, walk us through that.

Jeremy Arteago (27:44.608)
Right, okay, yep, so I didn't start there. We started with the mold company that came out, showed us that there was mold in the house. Once we knew that, then it was time to start looking for like doctors or mold professionals somewhere local that I could go to.

Josh Bostick (27:49.881)
Okay?

Josh Bostick (27:59.35)
Mm

Jeremy Arteago (28:01.114)
So I went to an integrative health place the very first one did not do much in the way of Testing or diagnostics they they tested for candida which came back negative but Type of fungus I Guess that that's the easiest way to say it's fungal issue. It can be on your skin or it can grow in your guts

Josh Bostick (28:15.051)
And what's Candida? I'm not familiar with that. Okay.

Josh Bostick (28:24.293)
You're

Okay, gotcha.

Jeremy Arteago (28:28.468)
but they don't necessarily test for mold colonization. There's no tests out there that do that. So the best next thing that they did was tested for Candida. And so Candida came back negative. So they were like, you know what, it's probably not mold. But then they also tested my liver enzymes, which were elevated. So they knew that there was some kind of toxin in my body. My liver was working overtime.

Josh Bostick (28:34.49)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (28:38.139)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (28:54.658)
So long story short, I only saw them once. They gave me a binder and a foot bath, like a detox foot bath to get toxins out of my feet, which didn't really help at all. And I never went back, but they also didn't follow up with me either, which I thought was strange. It was just, here's your binder, here's your detox foot bath, off you go.

Josh Bostick (28:58.234)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (29:04.59)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (29:14.457)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (29:18.786)
Tell your friends. Thanks.

Jeremy Arteago (29:21.295)
Yeah, yeah. So I was like, all right, that didn't work. That's when I really started researching a lot on my own and going on like Reddit and Facebook and just, you know, trying to find out what was going on and get some maybe some testimonials or some advice from people that had like struggled with mold and see what they did.

Josh Bostick (29:41.157)
Mm

Jeremy Arteago (29:42.818)
That's when I first started playing around with doing my own binders and my own vitamins and minerals and kind playing around with my own protocol, just because this first place didn't really do much in the way of helping me. So I got a little bit better from there. It wasn't good enough, so I went to a second integrative place.

Josh Bostick (30:01.616)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (30:03.002)
And I will say that they were much better. They had a lot more of mold knowledge. And they did put me on some things that I still take today. And they put me on some things that did help. But one of the biggest mistakes that they made that I didn't know at the time, but I know now, is that they put me on an eitriconazole, which is an antifungal medication.

Josh Bostick (30:26.693)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (30:27.776)
It's prescription, so you gotta get a prescription for it, you gotta pick it up from the pharmacy. But it's not generally something that you wanna do with somebody that's already overburdened and has a ton of different toxins in their system. And so they gave me the eitriconazole. What that does, it goes into your gut and it kills and eradicates the mold colonization. But during that process, that mold is shooting out all kinds of other toxins into my body as well. So now my...

Josh Bostick (30:40.665)
Okay?

Jeremy Arteago (30:57.262)
My body that's already toxic is even more toxic.

Josh Bostick (30:59.065)
Okay, and does the mold do that because it's pissed off that it's being extracted basically like it's its last ditched effort to really cause havoc Okay

Jeremy Arteago (31:07.383)
Exactly.

Yep, it's very, yeah, it's like a, yeah, this is defense mechanism.

Josh Bostick (31:14.203)
Gotcha.

Jeremy Arteago (31:15.944)
And so yeah, I was in California at the time when I started taking that eitrichonazole and I was there for work. And one of the worst experiences was taking that stuff, going to bed on Friday night and basically sleeping, no, Thursday night. I was out all day Friday, all day Saturday. My wife had to call me Sunday to make sure that I was up so that could catch the flight home.

Josh Bostick (31:43.397)
Wow, dang, so it knocked you. I mean, your body was, yeah, wow.

Jeremy Arteago (31:44.982)
Yeah, it knocked me out. Yeah, but what's weird now is I can say that if they had given me the eitrichonazole at the right time, it would have been a game changer. That is one of the main things that I've done. Yeah, I did it again earlier this year. Completely different story. Like it's...

Josh Bostick (31:58.393)
Right, if it was very beginning...

Jeremy Arteago (32:08.768)
It did its job. It killed the mold. I didn't have any kind of Herxheimer reactions. I didn't have any kind of detox symptoms, but I feel so much better after taking it at the appropriate time. If that makes sense.

Josh Bostick (32:19.547)
Wow. And is that a precautionary measure or is that something you'll do yearly or did you feel like an uptick coming on?

Jeremy Arteago (32:29.026)
so this was because, we moved into our house in October last year. We found out that it had mold. So I was so much better, but then, moved in in October, like November, December, I start getting pretty bad again. And that's when we, we had it checked earlier this year. We found out, man, there's mold in this house too. We got to get that cleaned up. We replaced all of the carpets.

Josh Bostick (32:35.703)
Right, okay.

Josh Bostick (32:44.367)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (32:56.967)
We got hardwood now, which again was another game changer. I felt so much better after that But what was your question is it something that you got to do all the time or periodically

Josh Bostick (33:00.207)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (33:08.688)
Yeah, I thought maybe it was something that you do once a year as a protocol just to make sure it's not going back. But I forgot you moved into a second house that was molded. So that makes sense then. And that was the right time, like you mentioned. Took it at the right time and knocked it out. OK.

Jeremy Arteago (33:18.124)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (33:26.402)
Yeah, right time because I had already had a good year, year and a half of actively detoxing with liver support supplements and binders and vitamins and minerals and just getting my gut healthy, getting my body healthy, getting to a place where I could handle the Itraconazole to kill the mold without having any kind of bad effects from it. So hopefully I don't ever have to take it again.

Josh Bostick (33:46.445)
Right.

Gotcha, okay, that makes sense.

Jeremy Arteago (33:54.22)
Like now that I'm clear of mold, we're in a clean environment. I would say the only time I would probably have to take it again is if we got re -exposed like daily, like if we moved to another house and yeah. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (34:06.488)
If you move again, basically don't ever move is what I'm what I'm taking from this. This is.

Jeremy Arteago (34:11.538)
Yeah, well some people take it so far as to like do complete mold avoidance and they'll you know move and go live in a camper that's completely closed off and pretty much live like a hermit you know to avoid mold and the symptoms that it causes but no I'm not gonna go that far. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (34:29.948)
Wow, yeah, that's extreme, but there's people out there that if they can have the peace of mind, they've been in a bad enough place. Sometimes that's where you go.

Jeremy Arteago (34:42.932)
Especially if you've been living with it something like this for like a long long period of time like

Josh Bostick (34:47.098)
right, and you've been trying to figure it out and like you said, get professionals of all sorts saying it's in your head, that your blood works come back fine, because you're dealing with something that's untraceable for the most part. So yeah, that's scary. mean, that's, you know, all my stuff for the most part is just...

Jeremy Arteago (35:00.706)
Yeah, yeah.

Josh Bostick (35:05.552)
you know, finding the right lab to take and seeing what comes back and throwing some stuff at it that way. But when you're dealing with things like mold, you know, unless you get some kind of a really long swab and can go all the way down your gut or something like that, it's hard to find.

Jeremy Arteago (35:21.502)
It's tough, yeah, and it can colonize, I guess, your sinuses. There's debates on, you know, how bad that is. And I guess one of the hardest things is knowing who to trust, because you've got your doctors, you've got your functional medicine practitioners, you've got testimonies and stories online. And then you have like the top mold professionals, like

Dr. Richie Shoemaker is like the head honcho when it comes to mold and SERS, chronic inflammatory response syndrome. But then you have other people like Dr. Neil Nathan and Jill Christa and Andrew Campbell, and they all have their own take, even though they're like up at the top of this.

Josh Bostick (35:55.462)
Bye bye.

Jeremy Arteago (36:08.48)
mold professional pyramid, I guess, or just at the top. They're very highly trusted, you know, people trust them, they take their advice, but their advice is sometimes so contradictory. So it's hard to know, like, who's right.

Josh Bostick (36:10.064)
Yeah, right, yeah, they're the experts. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (36:23.249)
Yeah, and I mean.

The thing that I struggle with is I love my functional health team right now. And pretty much at this point, they've helped me so much that, you know, if they said, you know, jump off this, I'm going to jump off of it just because what they've said has worked so well. But like you said, it's expensive. And at the end of the day, like everybody's doing what they're doing to make a buck. And a lot of times that gets in my way where I'm where I'm like, is this person genuinely trying to help me?

Jeremy Arteago (36:43.736)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (36:55.135)
Or are they just kind of sugarcoating and pulling at straws to see how much longer I'll keep going along and paying? So that's something that I've struggled with as well. It's like you find someone and then another person, another expert, someone highly admired says the total opposite. And you're like, which one of you is right? Because this isn't the same ballpark at all.

Jeremy Arteago (37:19.904)
Yeah, no, and I was just having kind of like an online argument today about like binders. Are you familiar with like their purpose and their use and why someone would use them?

Josh Bostick (37:31.567)
I'm not gonna lie the first time you said that you left the functional health with binders and a foot bath I pictured like an actual like three ring binder. So Yeah, so the next next time around was like that's weird. got yeah That's him. So no if you could explain what a binder is for me that would that would help a ton

Jeremy Arteago (37:38.87)
Yeah. no.

Jeremy Arteago (37:51.084)
Okay, sure, yeah, no problem. I didn't know what they were either. Like, yeah, I probably thought the same thing as you, but no, it's essentially, it's a supplement or a medication that you can take.

And so it gets into your gut, your intestines, and its job is to bind, or like a magnet, like attract all of the toxins so that they don't get recirculated into your bloodstream and your liver and so on and so forth. So their job as a binder is to attach to the toxins and essentially you poop them out. You get them out of your system.

Josh Bostick (38:14.074)
Okay, gotcha.

Josh Bostick (38:19.737)
Okay, that makes sense.

Josh Bostick (38:26.18)
Okay. Yeah. And is that like over the counter stuff or prescription?

Jeremy Arteago (38:34.55)
Yeah, so here's the dilemma. So you've got Richie Shoemaker on one side that is saying only prescription colesteramine, or they call it CSM. This is the only binder that works. So if you've got mold or if you've got a biotoxin illness, you have to take this CSM.

Josh Bostick (38:47.44)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (38:53.548)
And then you've got other people, Neil Nathan and Jill Christa and others that are saying, now you can still, you know, bind with activated charcoal or bentonite clays or chlorellas or pectins. These are all effective too. And so that's, I went that more of over the counter or you buy from like a full script or even Amazon versus the prescription way. And I was able to heal just fine doing it like that.

Josh Bostick (39:08.038)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (39:21.434)
Okay, good to know and...

Jeremy Arteago (39:23.096)
But it's just like a big debate, like, no, you have to take this or these things don't work. like, who do you trust unless you just play around with it and do it yourself?

Josh Bostick (39:30.202)
It's hard because you know does that one guy, did say his name was Neil Richie?

Jeremy Arteago (39:37.62)
close. So, Richie Shoemaker.

Josh Bostick (39:39.611)
Okay, which issue maker? like, you know, if you have him, does he know something secret that the rest of these guys don't? Or, you know, is he financially driven somehow to promote this one? So, and it's just like, you know, it's a gut check to see which one you went with. So I'm glad that the one you went with worked out for you. And that's good to know that, you know, if people are listening to this, that there's other options out there too.

Jeremy Arteago (40:06.062)
True, yeah. And I kind of just was a guinea pig on myself for quite a while just because I had to be, you know, if someone was... My functional health doctor wasn't doing it. It wasn't cutting it. I wasn't getting better, better to, you know, like I would say I'm about 90 % better at this point, but they weren't getting me there and they didn't know how to get me there. So I had to go and I had to go and try, you know, learning from others and experience, experimenting on myself.

Josh Bostick (40:29.479)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (40:35.793)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (40:36.356)
to see what worked and what didn't. But some people don't like doing that. They just want to go the, I guess, unquote, scientific route. Like, this is the only thing that works. Science proves it, so you have to do it. But I would say that's not necessarily true. There's other options. There's plenty of testimonies and people that have healed. You know, doing it other ways.

Josh Bostick (40:44.776)
Mm

Josh Bostick (40:49.16)
Right.

Josh Bostick (40:57.171)
Yeah, definitely. I've, what...

One of the things that I've worked on with my functional health team is rebuilding my gut biome. We did some stool tests and it was just so bad. So, you I've been actively trying to rebuild that and I had an infection, like a sinus infection, and I didn't want to go on antibiotics to just, you know, wreck everything that we've been doing. And so they gave me like, it probably cost 35 bucks to go to Whole Foods and get a couple different supplements.

Jeremy Arteago (41:11.362)
baby man.

Jeremy Arteago (41:19.533)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (41:30.789)
and it knocked it out in the same amount of time that antibiotics would have. So, you you're totally right. There's the peace of mind of like, this 100 % works or I'm gonna take a chance and see if this works and you know, maybe it doesn't.

Jeremy Arteago (41:44.994)
Or like you said with antibiotics, yeah they probably work, but I didn't realize it back then how bad they were for your gut. I didn't realize that they're pretty much just nuking everything. So they're killing all of the bad bacteria, but they're just destroying all of that good bacteria that you need as well.

Josh Bostick (41:56.328)
they are. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (42:03.411)
Yeah.

Before I got into you know, the functional health side of things and you know doing my own research our son had ear infections and I feel so bad now for the rounds of antibiotics that we put them on so Yeah, you know and I was at a doc I told you I went to the neurologist today and they had this big, you know TV playing all the stuff and it was talking about Antibiotics and when you get prescribed them take the full thing even if you're feeling better and I'm just like

Jeremy Arteago (42:19.296)
I'm off.

Jeremy Arteago (42:24.717)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (42:34.78)
but yeah so yeah

Jeremy Arteago (42:37.868)
Yeah, it's tough though, right? Because you're given advice by a professional and you would assume that they know what's best and they've, you know, they were trained on this type of thing.

Josh Bostick (42:43.197)
Yep.

Josh Bostick (42:48.999)
And sometimes maybe, you know,

our son only had one ear infection, maybe one round of antibiotics, clear it up, never have it again. Maybe that there's no real harm in that. But, you know, I don't know that they really ever ask how many he had or when his last one was. So, you if he was three weeks apart, and thankfully they were longer apart, but if it was three weeks apart, you know, we could have just given him a round of antibiotics and gone back and done another one. And like you said, it's just double nuking it. So.

Jeremy Arteago (43:01.678)
Bye.

Jeremy Arteago (43:21.772)
Right. So what would you do now if you didn't do antibiotics? Is there better ways to fix the infection?

Josh Bostick (43:27.314)
I have no idea. We we ended up doing tubes. It got to the point to where he was having them so frequently that we had tubes put in and thankfully that that's resolved the issue. But I have no idea. I have a friend who his wife swears that the chiropractor fixed their little girl's ear infections. So I mean, it's just something there's got to be stuff out there. But since we've done the tubes, I haven't looked into it at all.

you

Jeremy Arteago (43:58.216)
Gotcha. Okay. Because that's worked. I guess that's fixed the problem. don't need to find another.

Josh Bostick (43:59.888)
Mm -hmm, yeah. Yep, he hasn't had any since doing the tube, thankfully.

Jeremy Arteago (44:07.04)
Yeah, yeah. And he's almost three now, two, three, it's eight months.

Josh Bostick (44:10.82)
He turned two in June so to it two in a month, so just just over two

Jeremy Arteago (44:18.176)
Okay, yeah. Any other issues with him? Like I've been pretty fortunate, like our daughter's gonna be two in a few months and she hasn't, we didn't get her any, I don't know if we should talk about this, but I'm going to. We didn't get her vaccinated, we didn't give her any kind of vaccines. My wife didn't wanna do the, whatever baby drops they give them when they're first born. So like my kid's all natural.

Josh Bostick (44:43.369)
Mm -hmm.

Jeremy Arteago (44:48.703)
I didn't know a lot of this stuff, but my wife has researched a lot of this stuff and has realized how bad a lot of this stuff is for babies.

But I guess I would say we're pretty fortunate in that, you know, the almost two years that we've had her never had to take her back to the doctor. I think we did one, one, one visit since she was born. I think it was like a, a mandatory checkup, but she hasn't been back since. And it's only been. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I think we did one of those, but we haven't taken her back. We haven't needed to. And,

Josh Bostick (45:05.897)
Wow.

Josh Bostick (45:12.916)
Yeah, yeah, I think there's like a wellness check two weeks in or something like that. Make sure they're gaining weight and all that.

Jeremy Arteago (45:28.526)
people around here say that, once you take them back, they're gonna make them get vaccinated or they're gonna give them shots. And we're like, well, you know what? She's fine. She doesn't need any of that stuff.

Josh Bostick (45:37.866)
Yeah, yep, that's something that I've into as well. you know, just there was an example I saw the other day. Gosh, I wish I remember, but, you know, it was like something about taking your kids into the doctor and you can't.

do this one thing, you can't have two of these one things, but you can have five shots at one time, something like that where it's like, when you start thinking about it, it's a lot that you're putting into their body that's unknown and, know, what is it, the, gosh, I'm totally blanking, the one for like sexually transmitted diseases.

Jeremy Arteago (46:19.043)
yeah, is it the HPV? The human coronavirus? Yeah.

Josh Bostick (46:20.158)
Yes, yeah, that whatever that one is. Yeah. Yeah. One of the podcasts I was listening to, they were saying, you know, unless

your, you their mom has a sexually transmitted disease that can be passed during birth. That's really the only potential time that they could be exposed to that. And the mothers do testing during the course of their pregnancy to make sure that they don't have that. And so, yeah, I mean, there's, things where it's like, why, why is this a regulation and where did this come from? And what's the actual practicality of this happening? You know,

Jeremy Arteago (46:59.084)
Right, yeah, if the mom tested negative, there's no chance that the baby's gonna have it. Baby's obviously not gonna be sexually active at that young of an age, so what's the purpose? Is there a purpose?

Josh Bostick (47:08.896)
And yeah, you know, and I mean, there's always the devil's advocate of it happening, you know, one way or another or something happening. But I would ask what's what's the weight of doing this to the 99 .999 kids that don't need it? Where, you know, they're sure there's might be that point 0001 that it does, you know, do something for. But why and what's the benefit for everybody else, I guess?

Jeremy Arteago (47:38.414)
Exactly. And I haven't done a ton of research on this particular thing with the vaccines, but I've seen, I guess, images where they there's like, this is what your grandparents like, these are the number of vaccines they had and it's like five or something. Yeah. And then, you know, probably I'm going to be 40 next week. I don't know how old you are, but we didn't, you we had more than our parents had. And now our kids are expected to have God knows how many vaccines.

Josh Bostick (47:52.608)
This is five. I've seen that too.

Jeremy Arteago (48:08.589)
certain age and yeah I'll just leave it there unless you want to talk about that but okay sounds good

Josh Bostick (48:15.597)
We'll save it for another podcast. We'll do another one. So aside, there any other supplements, kits, sauna, detox? mean, is there anything else out there that's readily available that people could look into if they are experiencing some of the same symptoms, maybe have done a mold test and know that there is active cultures in their house?

Jeremy Arteago (48:42.7)
Great question. Yes. And there's a lot of budget friendly options too. Just because a lot of these supplements get so dang expensive. They're not covered by insurance. And then going back to like, do the supplements even really work? Like, you know, the people that are pitching them, are they only pitching them because they want to make money off of them or are they actually truly helping? So supplements aside, there's definitely things you can do. Like I have a little rebounder, a little mini trampoline. I don't know if you can see it right there.

Josh Bostick (48:46.549)
Nice, love that.

Josh Bostick (49:10.444)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (49:13.863)
It's awesome for getting lymph drainage. So basically when you got toxins and they need a place to hide, they go into your lymphatic system and so they can get stuck there. And just doing like five, 10 minutes of just jumping on a little trampoline helps get those toxins flowing out of your lymph, into your blood, into your liver so they can be processed so you can finally get them out of your body.

Josh Bostick (49:31.084)
Dang.

Interesting.

Josh Bostick (49:40.652)
Wow.

Jeremy Arteago (49:41.452)
So little stuff like that, Epson salt baths.

Josh Bostick (49:43.722)
And where'd you learn that? I'm so interested in where you found these tips and tricks. Just, mean, like the deep dark holds of Reddit where you and I met or, just.

Jeremy Arteago (49:49.873)
man.

Jeremy Arteago (49:56.61)
Learned a lot on Reddit. Honestly, I probably learned the most on Reddit just because it was actual people that were experiencing the same kind of mold sickness, going through the same types of symptoms and hearing what they had to say and what worked for them. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (49:59.872)
Bye.

Josh Bostick (50:09.846)
Yeah, and it's unfiltered. it's, it's, there's good and bad for sure on there, but I mean, it's, it's true. People just either trying to find an answer or, you know, passionate, usually not money driven, you know, a lot of people, I don't know. I guess you can, I was gonna say you can't post a link, but you know, it's just this supplement worked for me and that there's no incentive behind it. It just truly trying to help people.

Jeremy Arteago (50:16.706)
There it is, first driver.

Jeremy Arteago (50:36.27)
True, yeah, exactly. I found a lot of value from that. A lot of value in, I bought courses from like functional, well, doctors turned functional health doctors because they realized that being a doctor wasn't right for them. So they went the functional health route. So I learned a lot about lymphatic drainage and opening your pathways, making sure that your liver is not backed up and clear so that it can do its job and process all of these toxins. And you can't do that by going on

Josh Bostick (50:45.953)
Mm

Jeremy Arteago (51:06.264)
Google. Go type in, how to detox from mold. Healthline will pop up saying you don't need to detox from mold or mold doesn't cause sickness. It might cause allergies but you have nothing to worry about. It's like, all right, let me find some better resources than just, you know, Google and whatever.

Josh Bostick (51:15.734)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (51:25.844)
And I think that's one of the hardest parts is finding the truth and the resources. So like you said, I mean, you turn to Google, you don't find much and or you turn to Google and like your fatigues, bloating, fatigue, you know, just there that falls under so many. mean, I had those with diabetes. So like you and I could have been diagnosed with the same thing when two vastly different.

Jeremy Arteago (51:30.253)
you

Jeremy Arteago (51:49.539)
yeah.

Josh Bostick (51:55.294)
internal mechanisms at play. you know, it can be overwhelming because you can't zero in on something because there's such a wide, broad range.

Jeremy Arteago (51:55.53)
Exactly.

Jeremy Arteago (52:03.054)
True. Yeah, and even stiffness of joints too. Like I didn't mention it, but my back, my lower back particularly got really stuff and it's, you know, bending over. I could still do it, but it was slow. It's often almost painful. Now it's like I can bend over. There's no pain. There's no stiffness. I'm like, well, this is nice. exactly.

Josh Bostick (52:10.572)
Wow. Dang.

Josh Bostick (52:16.256)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (52:23.478)
There you go. Yeah. Stay this way.

Okay, soon.

Jeremy Arteago (52:29.106)
yeah, going back to what you said, there are, yeah, a lot of ways you can get the detox going without spending a ton of money on supplements. The rebounder Epson salt baths. saw, I think you said sauna sauna is excellent. Yeah. Yeah. I finally, yeah. I bit the bullet and bought a sauna blanket, for our house. Yeah. And infrared sauna blanket.

Josh Bostick (52:34.443)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (52:40.566)
Yeah, I use the sauna at time. love the sauna.

Josh Bostick (52:48.118)
Nice.

Jeremy Arteago (52:54.222)
in there for 30 minutes. It takes about 10 minutes before I start pouring sweat. By the time I'm out of there, the whole blanket is drenched. I got sweat everywhere. My wife will walk in and be like, what hell am I doing in here? It's her office slash guest room. We just put a blow up mattress in there and put the sauna blanket on it. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (53:08.446)
Can you do this in the garage or something? Like go outside.

Josh Bostick (53:14.146)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (53:19.115)
Nice. Cool. All right. And then any like supplements, you know, I mean, if people are kind of looking more towards the like, I want to take something that, you know, could start work out. I don't want to bounce on a trampoline. I don't want to go to the gym, do the sauna. Like I just want to wake up in the morning and take something that's going to help.

Jeremy Arteago (53:41.76)
Yeah, so I would say binders, the supplement binders, not the three ring notebooks. No. Here's the other part too. If you don't get tested for mycotoxins, you're not going to know which ones are in your body and you won't know which binders are supposed to work best for those toxins. There is tests. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (53:44.784)
Not a three ring binder.

Josh Bostick (53:57.954)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (54:02.902)
Okay, so there is testing you can do for that. Okay, and that's specific. Like you want to do that and no. Okay, gotcha. Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (54:10.638)
That's specific for my toxins. Yep. Yeah. And it's a urine test. And again, it's not cheap. It's like 325 to 400 bucks. But you do that, it tells you what mycotoxins you have, what levels you have. And from that data, you can decide which binders are going to be best suited for you to bind to those particular mycotoxins.

Josh Bostick (54:15.789)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (54:20.331)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (54:31.084)
Okay.

in that urine test, is that like a Quest lab court or like a home and send it in?

Jeremy Arteago (54:38.722)
Nope. Well, you can go to a functional health place and you can do it there and they'll send it to the lab. But Quests, the traditional ones, LabCorp, they don't do that. They'll do a mold allergen test, but that's not good enough.

Josh Bostick (54:43.949)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (54:51.543)
Yeah. OK, so it's OK. So it's something that you have to have ordered. I'm guessing it's not something that just anybody can go do tomorrow on their own. OK. Gotcha. OK.

Jeremy Arteago (55:01.73)
There's a you can do it yourself. You can order the kit online. Like if yeah, if you were thinking like, you know what? I've got mold in my house. I have all of these, you know, symptoms that we talked about. I want to test my body and see if it's actually inside me. Then you go get a mycotoxin test and they'll ship you the kit. Yeah. Pee in a cup, send it back and then they'll email you your results. But

Josh Bostick (55:21.677)
Okay, nice.

Josh Bostick (55:26.891)
Sweet. does that email just tell you the microtoxins or does it tell you the binders that they'd recommend?

Jeremy Arteago (55:36.134)
Nah, I don't think they give any recommendations on those. It's just, you gotta do your own. Yeah, on some of their websites though, specifically the one from Mosaic, they do have a chart though that shows you, like these are eight or nine different categories of mycotoxins and these are the best binders suited for them. So there's ways to find that pretty easily.

Josh Bostick (55:37.9)
Okay, so you got your own homework to do from there, but you know at least what you're working with.

Josh Bostick (55:49.345)
Nice.

Josh Bostick (55:56.227)
Sweet, okay.

Josh Bostick (56:00.119)
You said that was mosaic. Okay. Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (56:02.752)
Yeah, there's Mosaic and there's real time labs, which are the two main microtoxin tests that you could do on your own.

Josh Bostick (56:08.717)
Cool, I'll put those links in the show notes. So if you want to go and click on them and check them out, they'll be in there.

Jeremy Arteago (56:12.44)
Sweet, yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (56:16.142)
Cool, yeah. But other than that, would say like vitamin D3, K2, mold is known to deplete those levels. Liver support supplements like your NAC, sometimes glutathione, milk thistle are all good for helping the liver do its job. And then a really good multivitamin that has all the B complexes in it.

Josh Bostick (56:26.477)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (56:45.816)
There's a lot. There's phosphatidylcholine, which I had never heard of. There's your fish oils. And there's probably a couple more that I'm missing. But those are like the key ones that you want to focus on if you're trying to detox from the mycotoxins. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (56:52.323)
Mm -hmm.

Josh Bostick (56:56.757)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (57:02.608)
Yeah. Dang. OK. Nice. Let's see. And then I think I'm trying to get through my questions and see if there's anything that we haven't touched on just because I was trying to think like I know nothing about mold. What do I want to be and know the high points to be on the lookout for? So.

Jeremy Arteago (57:26.478)
Are you familiar with coffee enemas? Have you ever done one?

Josh Bostick (57:28.003)
Yes, I have not, but I've seen them on Instagram now.

Jeremy Arteago (57:33.122)
Yeah. It was very controversial, I guess. Yeah. They're the best thing that I've done to actually get toxins out of my body. Yeah. Yeah. probably never again, my wife started doing these like, I don't know how many years ago. So I was introduced to them from her.

Josh Bostick (57:37.647)
they are.

Josh Bostick (57:44.473)
Really? Interesting, okay.

Josh Bostick (57:57.124)
Okay.

Jeremy Arteago (57:58.668)
But what I've noticed in talking to people that are trying to detox from mold is either they've never heard of coffee enemas or it's like, whoa, that's way out there. I'm never going to do that. I'm not that desperate yet. If it comes to it, I'll do it.

Josh Bostick (58:10.223)
I'm not that desperate yet.

Josh Bostick (58:15.044)
Right.

Jeremy Arteago (58:16.364)
But yeah, so pretty controversial. Not many people want to do them. But then you have people like me that like swear by them and will say like, you know what, for one of the cheapest options out there to get this crap out of your body, coffee and them all the way.

Josh Bostick (58:30.907)
Yeah, I mean, I think honestly that comes from like a not a, I guess, yeah, a point of like desperation almost where it's like, I will pretty much try anything at this point to get some relief and things like that come into play and you're like, holy crap, I see what the hype's about. That worked.

Jeremy Arteago (58:50.647)
Yeah, especially when you like had to quit your job and or you're bedridden and you can't work and if you're like me and you got a little one that was just born it's pretty much like I gotta figure this out I'm willing to do whatever it takes so if I gotta put a little coffee up there to get myself better I'm doing it.

Josh Bostick (59:00.116)
Mm

Josh Bostick (59:03.342)
Right.

Josh Bostick (59:10.554)
Yeah, and I mean, so for those that don't know, haven't seen it, haven't heard of it, I mean, it's, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm going straight off your Instagram videos at this point, but it's like an IV bag. You know, if you're going to do like a saline drip or something like that, it's a suspended bag that you, you know, it's got a drain that comes out and I don't know what the means is, but you put it up your butt and...

Jeremy Arteago (59:38.295)
Yep.

Josh Bostick (59:38.478)
Gravity does its thing and the enemas enter and I don't honestly don't know what they do other than Clearing out. Is it just toxins? Okay

Jeremy Arteago (59:49.506)
for the most part toxins and what I've found towards the end of my kind of whole healing journey here is a lot of parasites actually and biofilms which are like this sticky mucus stuff that surrounds the toxins and the parasites. They like to build their own biofilm kind of like a shield, protective, yeah.

Josh Bostick (59:59.525)
Okay.

Josh Bostick (01:00:08.838)
Okay.

Yeah, protective measure type thing. Yeah, okay.

Jeremy Arteago (01:00:17.058)
But no you pretty much nailed it. It's yeah, you can do it in a little saline bag or I use a stainless steel Container and then do like two cups of coffee with so like either one or two tablespoons of coffee You can make it just like you would if you were drinking it, although I wouldn't recommend doing it with that kind of coffee There's specific enema coffee

Josh Bostick (01:00:24.794)
Gotcha.

Josh Bostick (01:00:40.107)
So don't use my Folger's is what you're saying. Good to know.

Jeremy Arteago (01:00:42.572)
don't use, I'll probably use the falchers. No, but yeah. But yeah, it just, goes up there. It stimulates the liver. It releases the toxic bile. So sometimes when you're doing one, you'll kind of, you actually hear the squirt. And so that's all of the toxins that have been stuck in that bile just get released. And then once you release from the enema, you're getting rid of all of those toxins as well.

Josh Bostick (01:00:58.624)
wow.

Josh Bostick (01:01:05.264)
thing.

Josh Bostick (01:01:10.502)
Wow.

Jeremy Arteago (01:01:12.032)
So yeah, I love them. I still do them now. Just because after getting all like healing from the mold and then now realizing I have freaking parasites. Like you can see them in the toilet after doing an enema. It's like, okay, well, I guess I'm keep doing them until the parasites stop showing up. But.

Josh Bostick (01:01:15.428)
Yeah.

Josh Bostick (01:01:35.653)
Wow, yeah, seems like once you get into this realm, it's really just one thing after another. You just keep unmeasuring things and makes you wonder, you know, just the population that's walked around every day, like how much is wrong with all of us when you just keep peeling back the onion and finding more and more and more.

Jeremy Arteago (01:01:45.474)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (01:01:55.554)
Right, well hopefully we don't have to find too much more, right? Same here.

Josh Bostick (01:01:57.67)
I would be okay never finding another thing  I've had my trauma.

Josh Bostick (01:02:07.78)
All right, well, we are we're getting close to time. Is there anything that you want to leave the listeners with? mean, words of encouragement from a mental health side of it. I mean, you touched on a little bit where, you know, you can get dismissed where that's not a real thing. You know, just not being taken seriously or, you know, just things that to look out for from a symptom side, just some closing thoughts.

Jeremy Arteago (01:02:34.398)
Yeah, so I guess I would say that, yeah, for somebody that is having some of these symptoms, whether it's inflammation, bloating, fatigue, brain fog,

If you suspect that mold could be at the root cause, and if you can afford it, definitely just get the test so you know if you're being exposed to it or not. And if you're one of the unfortunate people that happen to have this HLADR gene, Your symptoms are real. Don't let anybody gaslight you into thinking that it's all in your head or it's not as bad as you're saying it is.

You know your body, you know what you're going through better than everybody else, including your doctor. And so you gotta be an advocate for yourself. So if you think that there's something wrong and you can do the testing, I would say it's worth it to do it. Outside of that...

It's tough when nobody believes you. So I know that's why these kind of, you know, these social platforms can be really nice just knowing that you're not alone and that there are other people out there that are going through the same stuff as you and they can relate. So in closing, I would say that, and that's why I did, I actually built a school community for Mold for people that...

Josh Bostick (01:04:01.713)
us.

Jeremy Arteago (01:04:03.614)
Or I don't know if you saw that or not, but I've been talking about it quite a bit on Reddit. Yeah.

Josh Bostick (01:04:05.395)
• I did. I think your comment, I don't know, I mean, it's, you we've been back and forth for a little bit now and I don't remember if it was like saying, like check, you know, the link on my profile page, it's got some resources or what, but yeah, that's what led me to reach out to you. you you truly care and want to help others out, so.

Jeremy Arteago (01:04:21.378)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (01:04:28.022)
yeah, this whole thing has been an absolute nightmare. Like it's been a huge pain in the ass. I'm so glad that I finally figured it out. So I was like, okay, they're like, if I had, go back three years and I had access to like knowing what I know now, it would make the whole healing process and getting better so much easier. so that's what I've kind of tried to do with this school group is kind of just share like all the things that have worked for me. So if somebody thinks that that might work for them, like,

you know what I've been through there I've done it so it might be able to work for you too and then also just to kind of be that person that's like hey this is it's real I went through the nightmare scenario with mold so if you need someone to reach out to like I get it yeah

Josh Bostick (01:05:01.318)
Right.

Josh Bostick (01:05:14.917)
Yeah, definitely is that I think that's something that your school group that link I could put in the show notes, right? I mean, it's just a regular link to go into. So I'll definitely throw that in there as well.

Jeremy Arteago (01:05:24.846)
I think so. Yeah. Cool.

Josh Bostick (01:05:29.605)
Sweet, well Jeremy, I can't thank you enough. mean, I've learned a ton. sure, like I said, I came into today thinking I have no idea how this is gonna go, because I know nothing about mold, except that I don't want it in my house, and that was pretty much the extent of it. So I really appreciate your time, and you jump it on, and hopefully this reaches some that are at the beginning of their mold journey, and they don't go through the

Jeremy Arteago (01:05:31.246)
Sweet.

Jeremy Arteago (01:05:35.884)
Me too.

Josh Bostick (01:05:59.619)
year trauma that you did.

Jeremy Arteago (01:06:02.796)
Yeah, I hope so. Yeah, if anyone, you know, just one person can benefit from it, I'm happy to.

provide that kind of help and support. And also too, I had never done a podcast before. And so I almost just dismissed you when you reached out to me, just because I don't usually, I don't do these types of things. I guess I've never really been asked to either, but there was just something about like, I don't know what you said or how you went about it. It was just so natural. It was not like,

I don't know, you get a lot of spam these days and I could tell that you were like a genuine, caring person and so you sent me the link to go listen to some of your other stuff and I did. I was like, okay, I like this guy. So I appreciate what you're doing too.

Josh Bostick (01:06:36.509)
You do.

Josh Bostick (01:06:47.281)
Well, I'm very...

Thank you. I'm very grateful that you went forward. I've messaged a couple of people and I mean, like you said, it's spam. It just gets dismissed. but I'm really trying to do it from the grassroots and, you know, people that have gone through the thick of it. And, you know, whether it's someone who's dealing with mold like you are, or just someone that is getting dismissed from the doctors or, you know, the doctors are trying, but they can't find the root cause. I mean, it's there's, there's, you know.

Jeremy Arteago (01:06:58.968)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (01:07:14.328)
Yep.

Josh Bostick (01:07:18.816)
some goodness that can come out of suffering as a whole and feeling a part of a community.

Jeremy Arteago (01:07:24.61)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Nice octanoid.

Josh Bostick (01:07:26.055)
Cool. Well, thanks for, yeah, you as well. Thanks for all the resources. And again, just for taking an hour and a half, two hours out of your time for us to meet. And I'm glad to have you in my corner now. I've got a mold guy.

Jeremy Arteago (01:07:37.144)
Yeah.

Jeremy Arteago (01:07:40.978)
Yeah, you do. And now I learned something too about diabetes and what you're dealing with with the stiffness.

Josh Bostick (01:07:46.085)
Yeah, so I'm here for any way I can support you. Cool, thanks Jeremy.

Jeremy Arteago (01:07:50.86)
Okay, likewise. All right, man. Thank you.

Josh Bostick (01:07:57.69)
All right.