From Primitive Reflexes To Quantum Biology: Dr. Ty Melillo On Brains, Behavior, And Balance

We explore how left-right brain asymmetry explains autism, ADHD types, dyslexia, immune quirks, and gut issues, and how movement, sensory training, and targeted nutrition create real change. Dr. Ty Melillo shares his path from test subject to clinician, with nuanced takes on meds, EQ, and environment.

• mapping autism and dyslexia to hemispheric dominance
• task avoidance as fear-driven EQ strength
• vestibular, ocular, and proprioceptive training for regulation
• chiropractic for parasympathetic tone and movement
• inattentive vs hyperactive ADHD and better school testing
• neuroimmunology links to eczema, IBS, histamine
• nutrition, serotonin, fish oil, and microbiome balance
• when stimulants help and when they backfire
• tech, light, and nature-shaped environments

Please give us a like, share, and subscribe

Transcript

Setting The Stage And Guest Intro

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey Jeff here back with another episode of Down the Rabbit Hole. Today's guest we have Dr. Ty Malilo, son of Dr. Robert Malilo, uh two-time guest of ours. Uh I wanted to get Dr. Ty on for several reasons. One, because of the work he's been doing alongside his father, uh, the research articles he's been putting out uh on brain asymmetry, primitive reflexes, uh, with autism and and uh ADHD, and and uh I just want to get his experience. What what is it was it like growing up with your father being uh a leading pioneer in neurological development and brain asymmetry and primitive reflexes, uh, and why he decided to kind of follow in his path and and the work he's doing. And also um, you know, I I wanted to selfishly talk to him because Ty and I also share a love for all things kind of quantum, quantum health, quantum bio biology. Uh and he is, I mean, he's super bright, guys. This is a really geeky um sciencey uh episode. Uh Dr. Ty is a wealth of knowledge in many, many things. And he gets into some deep science here, guys. So so please uh get your notepads out, uh get your chat GPT or or uh Google ready to look up some of the things he's talking about because it is a uh a dense, rich conversation. Uh it was absolutely awesome talking with Dr. Ty, and this will not be the first time I'll have him on. Um, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode as much as I do. Please give us a like, share, and subscribe. Hey, have a good one.

Ty’s Upbringing And Early Challenges

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Dr. Ty Malilo, it is an honor, sir. I've uh been a big fan. I've had your father, he's a two-time member of my uh podcast, but it's an honor to have you on. I've been following you on Instagram. Man, we we uh we seem to have a lot of things in common. So I want to get on and just kind of pick your brain and talk, man. So thank you for taking the time. Oh, it's a pleasure.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Thank you so much for having me. And it's I found it a huge opportunity. I really would would love to connect with other you know, sports stocks and people that are in fields like this to share what we know because you know, we definitely have a lot of things that we can revamp in the realm of like, you know, what the way the medical industry or diagnoses or psychology can advance. So it's exciting, really exciting stuff.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Yeah, man. So would you mind if you know anyone who doesn't know who you are listening, can you kind of explain your background, kind of how you got to who you are right now, sir?

SPEAKER_01 2:33

For sure. Yeah. Um, so Dr. Robert Malowell, that's my father. And um, you know, I grew up, you know, understanding that he was in the realm of neurology, functional neurology, and I didn't know what the heck he was talking about for a long time as a kid. I was just like, you know, that's what my dad does. And uh, you know, he he's a big athlete, so he's and he's a chiropractor, but you know, he really kind of you know proceeded to to get other degrees. And um, you know, I didn't fully appreciate what he was talking about for a long time. Um, and then he was, you know, the creator of brain balance, and he really started to investigate, you know, disorders and developmental disorders or things like that. And um, you know, he he really, I think, I think he really helped me as a young man into turning who I am. And and um, you know, I look back and I understand, you know, now as a doctor and a chiropractor, I understand exactly what he was talking about. But, you know, basically, you know, I was definitely a little bit, I would say, probably Asperger's hyperactive and obsessive as a child. And I definitely fell into, you know, absolutely what a right hemisphere program person would be. So, you know, he talks about the left and the right hemisphere, how they're out of balance. And these are just, you know, kind of natural growth processes that happen. Um, but yeah, I mean, basically my brother's generation was a big concern because Ritalin was starting to be, you know, prescribed left and right. Kids were having ADHD, and he was early in his career and kind of like, you know, what is ADHD? Um, you know, and trying to investigate what it is. And people didn't really have the right answer. So it really frustrated him, and he pursued it harder and harder. And um, then there was a certain point, I think my mom was like, Hey, Rob, you need to kind of help tie out here. But it was funny because I didn't realize all my friends were actually like on the spectrum of autism as a kid. Like all my friends were all these like sci-fi nerds, like brilliant dudes, but they all had these like kind of issues that I didn't really pick up on. Those were like just my people, you know. I just didn't, but I look back now, I didn't realize they all had these diagnoses, and it makes sense now. But it, you know, basically, I you know, I was probably on the spectrum to a certain degree as a child, uh, and I was struggling. I knew I was struggling, even at like 10 years old. I knew I was really struggling with friends, uh, emotions and anger and you know, perseveration, obsessions that I would just get caught up in and caught up in. And um, you know, once I started doing the program, there were there were other things that started to change, but at that age, you don't really like notice it. And uh I really feel like it gave me a huge dose of like self-awareness, which is hard to explain. But I can tell you it kind of sucked. And there's a lot of kids that I really kind of like relate to because they don't necessarily enjoy the processes that happen with this type of program if you're trying to help people, but you know, really does in the long run help kind of balance out you know the neurological traits that people have, and and it helps a lot.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Um so yeah, I mean, I I mean I could go on, I'd love to go you know deeper into it, but uh you know, that's kind of how I would so what uh I mean when did you start kind of being your dad's little guinea pig there, kind of with uh lapses and all the all the the vibration stuff, and just you know I mean what what

Becoming The Guinea Pig: Vestibular Work

SPEAKER_00 5:46

was it?

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Yeah, I was probably like 10, like 10 years old. So I did it probably for around three years. And um, yeah, there was a lot, I mean it was a lot of like cognitive, like you know, I'd do a lot of like reading comprehension, there were eye exercises, physical core exercise, um, you know, the glasses, like you're saying, spinning. And I listen, I remember spinning like 70, 80 times, and they would look at, you know, you want to see a certain nystagmus level, and this is probably something that you learn from some of the the courses. And we look at the vestibular system, and there's like a norm, you should see about 10 seconds of nystagmus after 10 rotational spins at a certain speed. Um, so if you're going higher or you're seeing a stronger response or a lower response to gravitational input, it you know makes you question what what's going on in the brain? Why is it because there's nothing organically wrong with the ears or those nerves? And it's just funny because I, you know, I remember going back and thinking back, like you know, how many times they'd spin me and they'd look at my eyes and they'd be like, Nope, more, more. And I was like, Is this good? But now I now I look back and I'm like, this is you know, this is definitely something that changed the way I was just feeling and perceiving the world.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Well, as a uh as a father of three, how did your dad convince you to keep doing that stuff? Because man, I mean, yo, no kid, no, no kid's gonna listen to their father, regardless of who the expertise their father has. But like, man, like I gotta bribe and bribe my kids. Like, what did your dad do to get you to guys to do that stuff? Because God blessed.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Honestly, man, to be honest with you, I think I was just really struggling. And I think I knew. And and listen, you got different types of kids, and that's another thing that you have to kind of take into account because you I wasn't uh more like I think if you get people that are more doing like left hemisphere programs, then you get a lot of task avoidance, and you got to know when to kind of like disengage and maybe like use like a reverse psychology thing. But you know, a lot of people that if they hit a wall of task avoidance, it's really hard to wrestle with that. But those are usually really, really right hemispherically dominant people, and they've got deep emotions and they've got other subconscious emotions bubbling under the surface, and even young kids, they have these brilliant levels of kind of empathetic awareness and emotional intellect. And when you get people like that, you know, they could they could be a little bit more conservative and tough to deal with. And you know, I was more somebody that, you know, I think I was just I was, you know, I got a lot of fights when I was a kid, you know, like I said, all my friends were kind of like on the spectrum. So I wasn't as much of a like a task avoidant kid. I mean, I was, I'm not gonna say I wasn't, but I was definitely a little bit, but I think I I got to a point where I was like, you know, like bullying and and all of you know things that I'm getting to in school, like this, this has to stop. And I was I was kind of like, all right, like I'm ready to to do this. But you know, he's also an intense dude, so it was hard to kind of you know argue with him, or it was just kind of like dad's saying, I'm you know, I'm doing this thing. And I was 10 to 13, you know, my brother, my brother was like 17, 18. He was like, nah, fuck you, I'm not doing this. And but he, you know, he did it a little bit, but you know, in that age, it's a lot harder. You know, but my you know, with myself, I was young and I was kind of like, all right, I'll give it a try. And it was tough, you know. There's a lot of kids that do this program that are like, this sucks. And you know, I felt like that. I was like, listen, I'm in middle school, man. My life is hard enough. But um, yeah, you know, you it you do you definitely have to somewhat be also like involved in a certain way, and I think you probably set a good example for your kids with like physical exercise and stuff like that. So you know, sometimes you gotta be uh in in it with them, you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

So you you because you brought it up, and it just makes me think of just kids in general. Uh and some of the sometimes conversations you have I've had with parents about this stuff, how much

Task Avoidance, Fear, And EQ

SPEAKER_00 9:27

going to the topic of task avoidance, just because you brought that up. And I'd love to get more into the specifics uh of the hemispheres, but with task avoidance, how much of that is just it's a kid thing, and how much of it is it's a deficit of, you know, I mean, no, I would say task avoidance is absolutely a right hemisphere strength that you don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

So something that I started to discover in this field is that subconscious and like suppressed memories are real, they're a real thing. I've seen suppressed memories come out of people, and it's nuts. And it really comes from if you touch the body a certain way. And what you don't, and this is a huge realm that I'm like big into right now consciousness, defining consciousness, subconsciousness. And you know, I it's in I I studied psychology in college because I was like, I want to get into neuroscience, and I thought that was a cool field. Uh, struggled with pre-med. I was just like, this is crazy. So I was like, oh, I'll try psychology. Unfortunately, I didn't realize that all those credits don't transition to like science credits. I had to actually take a take a lot of classes over. But um, you know, psychology was cool, but when you hear about subconsciousness or it sounds like more in theory, but when you see it for real, you're like, oh, and and and subconscious thoughts really come out in dream states, like dream state is a huge point part of how you know your subconscious and your right hemisphere is involved with that. But when you have somebody that has a ton of subconscious emotions, like these kids, there's something called IQ, and then there's EQ. And EQ is more like your instinctual, emotional intellect. And they did tests on people who had they had to kind of like judge their own heart rate. And people that had the most kind of like insight to their to their own body and interoception, and then also can you know emotionally connect with other people were very high in the score of EQ, which is like a complement to IQ. So people who are really, really high in EQ, they can be very susceptible to these like subconscious emotional, you know, conflictions that they don't have any idea going on. And then you ask them to do one thing, or you ask them to maybe put themselves in the spotlight where they might fail, and they're like, no. And you could be, and and they don't know, they don't even know why they do that. They just they hit a wall. And I've been like, Oh, I'm a doctor, um, this, you're a child, listen to what I'm saying. And they're like, Nope, they'll twist you in a knot. But what I realize is it it always boils down to fear, and these kids are very aware and they sympathize with people that go through pain and fear and they pick it up all day. It's like their social batteries are drained because they're almost like picking up everybody else's energy. But um, if you kind of figure out, like, hey, what you know, what are you scared of? You know, like I, you know, I just want to like there's times I had to learn to like disengage in moments of task avoidance because you will wrestle with it forever. And it's it's really a strength, it's an emotional strength. But, you know, understandably, a lot of people get defensive when they when they have that awareness, that emotional awareness, but they don't mean to. And there's been times I've been like, you know, I've stopped and I've been like, you know, what are you what are you scared about this? You know, and it and I started to find that a lot of people be like, I don't know, you know, I'm just scared, I guess. And and then once you kind of help bring a subconscious like thought or emotion into conscious light, and they kind of like verbalize it, it's like it just like dissipates. So there's certain routes that it takes, you know, it's something that I think some people don't use correctly all the time, too. I think a lot of people throw around task avoidance, but it only applies to a certain group of people, in my opinion. So um, okay, yeah, that's kind of my take on on the term.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

So, would you say those kids that uh the kids that would say no to everything, but then when they do that thing that you they said no to, and then they love it. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

They feel a lot of pride. Oh, yeah, time because a lot of them are scared of failure, right? So if they're like, no, I'm not good enough, you're gonna totally wreck my reputation, I'm gonna suck. There's no way I'm gonna be good at that. But that's where it comes down to fear. And a lot of kids like that, they might have like a lot of night terrors, they might wake up in the night and they have these deep, and this is actually a subject that's really interesting in the realm of like QEG and like the way that dream states work and the way that the right and the left hemisphere actually transition during sleep. Um, this is something that even like you know, a lot of people with like uh epilepsy, they their most most seizure activity actually happens when people are transitioning into sleep or waking up. And it's really because there's just a massive switch of basically your left and your right hemisphere. And like I'm saying, your right hemisphere is more involved with some subconscious processes. So you actually switch into your right hemisphere so your left hemisphere can rest. And they this is something that was in one of the papers I wrote about uh asymmetry, is that you know, this goes back to other mammals, and it's one of the unique traits of two hemispheres, is that one gets to sleep and one goes awake, and like dolphins that have to thermoregulate and travel have to like they like one hemisphere goes asleep and the other hemisphere stays awake, one eye stays open, one flipper keeps them going, and it's weird, but even like birds that travel long distances get this. So humans have all of these traits, but like in

Choosing A Path: Art, Psych, And Neuro

SPEAKER_01 14:25

a more sophisticated fashion. So we do also do that. We switch this kind of like activity of hemispheres so one can rest at a time. And um, you know, like when so when you when when you have kids that have all these really right hemisphere dominant traits, then you know, you have to be aware of of the concepts of fear, um, and also you know, being aware if night terrors are a thing, because you know, some of those things help you point out, like if those, if these are what's going on. And then, yeah, if you start in certain levels of more digestible or easier steps for kids like that, um, or even adults, then they will totally snap into you know high levels of pride and they they're stoked when they actually accomplish little things. So I use that sometimes with kids that hit walls of task avoidance. We start with like little things and then you build up. And and honestly, you know, a lot of kids like that, they don't like being praised too much either. You got to be careful where you're like, yay, good job. They're like, shut up. You know, it's like so you gotta also kind of be like, Yeah, you're right. You know, it's all right, you know, you did okay, you know, you could do better. So I also like adjust the way that I also kind of like praise people in scenarios like that. Because I I learned the hard way that you know, some people are like, you know, the second you like clap for them, or if you treat them like they're not sophisticated or something, they're like, All right, forget it. You know, so so you also you gotta like almost real talk kids that even very young, even very young, like ages, you see like really high levels of philosophical and emotional awareness, and and you gotta be aware of that.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

So okay, awesome. Um now I want to kind of go back to your your your journey a little bit, your story. So you wanted to study this stuff going into college, like you wanted to follow your father's path, or did you want to kind of go the opposite?

SPEAKER_01 16:06

What was your I I definitely was a big, I mean, I've always been a big like sci-fi science guy. So I mean, I was big into art. I think that's one thing that helped me with my career is like I was gonna go pursue painting and drawing. I loved it, but I was like O C D about it, and it was like destroying me. So I was like, you know what? I gotta go into like science or something. So I definitely wanted to go into, you know, like you know, biology, chemistry. I wanted to take all those routes. Um, but I I definitely I think underneath I always wanted to pursue what my father was doing. I always thought the the brain and evolution, everything he was talking about was fascinating. And it's just funny because like I I got through college and then I talked to him and I was like, hey, I think I want to like go into chiropractic school. I think I want to do what you do. And he was like, Really? You have to wait till after college to tell me that's like you kidding me. It's like it was funny because uh, you know, it it did kind of I think I was wrestling and grappling with the idea of doing the same thing as my dad and you know, filling in his shoes, and I was like, ah no, I don't want to do that. And then there was just a point, and honestly, I worked with kids at camps as a counselor that were on the spectrum of autism, or you know, I just I was I really love working with kids, uh you know, just click with me. And um just I couldn't, I there was just a a point I came to where I was like, this is I have to just do this. This this it's like a calling, and when you when you hear a certain calling or you become aware of it, you just like shit, I can't really turn away from that. And honestly, you know, at this point, or you know, even you, I'm sure you know, like even if you wanted to take a different route, people wouldn't let you. They're like they're probably stoked on who you are, they have certain repertoires and relationships with you, and they're just like, Where is this? You know, where's my guy? And and that was happening with me. So I was just like, uh, you know what, I gotta stick to this field. And I and I love it. I mean, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Yeah, or the universe just keeps calling back, man. You know, yeah, just there's there's just things that just oh shit, okay, man. Like, I I should probably listen to all these signs. Um, no, so what so you studied psychology in in college?

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Yes, and actually the school I went to had like a minor, they had a building that had to do with autism studies. So I minored in autism studies, but it was all like ABA stuff, and actually it was good for me to see that because it, you know, listen, behavioral therapy is is a great thing to pursue for certain kids, but when you're dealing with children on the spectrum of autism, we find it's very frustrating for a lot of people to feel like it's helping. And it doesn't really look at like, you know, neurology or developmental dis imbalances because a lot of these kids on the spectrum are like really, really brilliant. So, you know, psychology

Hemispheric Model 101

SPEAKER_01 18:40

was was really good for me. It actually helps me understand, you know, different sides of how people, you know, analyze or approach or diagnose things, and I loved it, it was great, but I realized also that there's another kind of side to to things like autism or you know, developmental disorders.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

So, how how did having your father be your father affect how you learn psychology? Because you know, he takes a hemispheric approach. And so when they're talking Freud, you're like, oh, that's a very fucking left-brain thing you're talking there, or you know what I mean, or whatever. How how that how that skew you, if did it skew your oh yeah, it skewed me.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Well, I was just I was it was a rude awakening for me to realize that people don't fully speak in that manner of left and right hemisphere, which is ironic because like the more I go down this path, and especially in like neuropathology or you know, radiology or organic chemistry, like when you understand, like if you have an injury to the right hemisphere or the left hemisphere, you get completely different symptoms. And I thought, you know, it would be a common thing to talk about, but it definitely, you know, I almost got in like political debates with like the teachers at times because they would get a little defensive because I'd be like, Oh, what do you think about this left hemisphere thing or right hemisphere? And they were just like, Oh, we don't we don't really look at things like that. So I was just like, Oh. So I actually gotten a little bit, you know, definitely it put me in a like a situation I wasn't aware that there was like a you know, kind of like a political or like you know, a bias, then I was like, Oh, all right, I didn't know, but it, you know, it was also something that, you know, made me question my dad. I mean, I've always been skeptical about a lot of things, and I was just kind of like a lot of them were kind of like, oh, you know, that's just a fad. Or and I was like, oh shit, is it like and I'd like look up like if my dad wrote papers and I'd like, you know, a lot of them made me doubt him, and then and then I was like, oh no, he's definitely legit. And I, you know, I started to see the people he was hanging around, and it helped me understand like how much research and stuff he's really put out there, and yeah. Um, so you know, it was it was something that helped me look at things from a different perspective, like psychology in general makes you step back and look at what is human interaction, what is group thought, what is all of these, you know, and all the there's different like studies, like you know, split brain, you know, dissections for people who are having seizures and they they went into all these different kinds of neurological, like you know, kind of scenarios. So it was cool and I I really picked up a lot. Um, but it definitely, you know, it was something that helped me see, you know, both sides of of a scenario in the in the realm of of psychology. There's definitely neurological concepts and there's definitely psychological concepts. And I think that's one of the roles I'm realizing I have to play is like uniting both of those.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've learned or what I feel like I've learned uh from your father and and the work you guys do is how much hemispheric imbalance affects the psychology. Yes, right. So so like we give personality names to, you know, oh, that's just Debbie, she's just clumsy. Oh, you know, oh she's you know, that's that's little Susie. She's always just forgetful, but like, no, these are some neurological imbalance things, correct? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

I mean, listen, they might say, Oh, you're a type A person or your type B person, and they do questionnaires, and it it's funny because it's almost like the same thing. Like it's like, and that's where I was like, I was like, this is like left and right hemisphere things they're talking about. And it absolutely hate. I mean, especially as a doctor or as a therapist, anybody that's working with patients. Are like depressed, or if there's psychological disorders, or whatever, you absolutely need to be aware of developmental processes, like attachment disorders. Attachment disorders are real too. I mean, that was another thing that I thought was fascinating because that also goes back into neurology. And really, attachment styles are like formed in your right hemisphere. There's actually a really cool uh author, Alan Shore, he wrote a book about attachment, attachment styles, attachment disorders. And he talks about how it really forms in your right hemisphere. There's an area, it's it's like the parietal, temporal, occipital connection. And in babies, they're showing that the right hemisphere is mostly online for the first three years. And for those first three years, you should be developing attachment styles, you know, spacing out proprioception, forming connections to your body. And when kids are on the spectrum, or you know, if they're more left hemispherically dominant, we're finding their left hemisphere switches online first, you know, in those first three years too early. And all of those things are like going to help you understand and how to navigate psychological issues with people because it's it's definitely deeper than than you know the way it seems with psychology, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Now, how has going to chiropractic school affected what you do at brain balance and working with, you know, do you do you usually see that okay, if there's a developmental delay, there's some kind of adjustment or some kind of postural thing, or how how is kind of chiropractic care working? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Well, first of all, I think chiropractic is one of the best, like those, the group of chiropractors are some of the best diagnosticians I've ever met. I mean, they, I mean, I had to do so much gross anatomy, a lot of neuroanatomy, and you know, a lot of it really helped me appreciate what my dad was talking about when he talked because and also I'd get in conversation, like me and my buddies would like go get a beer, and my dad would maybe be visiting, and we'd like pick his brain, and we'd like literally be in like neuroanatomy, like two, like we'd take like a couple years of neuroanatomy, and he'd be like dishing out the nuclei and the pathway, and we're like, damn, this guy's legit. Like he really knew because we were like just learning, and we were like trying, oh, this nerve goes here and you know it goes through this muscle. And it, but in general, I mean, I can tell you, I mean, there's some things they don't teach you in school that I'm seeing here, but chiropractic's a great tool for parasympathetic activation of the body, so it could really help a lot of these kids that are hyperactive to calm down, get better nights of sleep. And ironically, it helps with bowel movements. I mean, it also kind of, if you think about all the lobe back nerves that innervate into the visceral organs of the, you know, the intestines and the stomach, like it can help actually with calming down, you know, and bringing in blood flow and bringing on the rest and digest system. And, you know, a lot of kids, if they're on the spectrum, they're so hyperactive, they're moving around all the time. So they've got to when I palpate them, they've got tons of muscle and and knot fixations in the in their spine and their neck. And you wanna you want to address that because you know, it could really, you don't realize how much like stress you could be holding in these like muscular spasms, or you know, when you release that, you're like, oh, and it's a it's a big tool, and it's great for movement. Um, but you know, I really I can't help like think about all the the gas law principles that really go into you know how like nitrogen gas builds up in your joint. So when you get that that pop and click, it's really a cavitation of a of a nitrogen gas bubble in your in your joint space. And you know, it

Attachment, Development, And Right Brain

SPEAKER_01 25:20

that that's just a natural occurrence in one atmospheric pressure because most of the atmosphere is nitrogen. Um, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Benz, like if a scuba diver goes too low and they have to decompress. So if if you if you go under second atmospheric pressure, and this is a very common thing with scuba divers, um, if they're not careful, uh their lungs will be compressed and it will shunt nitrogen into their bloodstream at an unnatural level. So if they come up to the surface too fast, they'll like expand and like explode. Like if you like went up to like space. Yeah. So so that is a similar process that kind of is is involved with how gas, it's really the term is called tribonucleation. It's like the process of how nitrogen gas pools into joint spaces, and then that's where you get the the crack and the pop. And you know, that that that being said, if you if you got a restriction in a gas bubble in your joint space, it's not fully moving, then more than likely, you know, spasm is going to cause, you know, come around that joint space, and it's gonna restrict your range of motion and it's gonna restrict your level of proprioception and awareness. So it's just it's a big tool for for movement and for the parasympathetic nervous system. So would you say tone, muscle tone is very important for proprioception? Oh, yeah, but absolutely, but also at the same time, there's a little bit of like a sensory aspect to tone too. Because, like, for example, I mean, one of the best ways to really test tone is striking the tendon uh with a hammer and you do deep tendon muscle reflex. And, you know, we might see kids that have normal muscle tone, but I'll whack them with a hammer and they're not feeling it. And there's a lot of people that don't feel their body on the spectrum of autism, or if they are, you know, certain level of right hemisphere deficit. I like even the parents know. They're like, my kid does not feel pain, they do not really feel temperature. Some parents have, you know, from like Florida, have these houses with tiles that are like roasting in the sun, and you know, some kids can walk around barefoot. Yeah, and I can't tell you how many parents they're aware of the fact that their kids aren't fully feeling and processing their body. It's really one of the biggest reasons that Dr. Malot is is kind of like relating that to how nonverbal, you know, or kids that are delayed in speech, like they're probably just not feeling themselves, which we actually have a ton of patients that are telling us that too, like whether it's through spelling or if they're typing, um, and they're agreeing, like, I don't feel my tongue, I don't feel my body, and it sucks. So that will totally affect your proprioception and tone and like how you feel gravity. But yeah, the way that we understand tone usually is you know, the more taught, and there's like the intrafusual and extrafusal fibers, and you know, how tense those are and the relationship to those, and that'll give you feedback to how your nervous system is is understanding your position. Um, but yeah, it's cool when you get into like a deeper subject of like the sensory system and how people feel their bodies or if they're you know hypersensitive. There's a diagnosis called highly sensitive people, and those are equally the same thing as saying, you know, right hemisphere dominant person uh or left hemisphere deficit program. So, you know, all these things are kind of coming full circuit. Well, yeah, that's you know, tone is definitely a big subject that we look at.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Man, um no, I love the deep, deep science stuff. Um, yeah, because tone, you know, for me here when I work with athletes, uh, you know, do some palpation stuff, you know, with athletes and you know, especially athletes who maybe had coming off ACLs or coming off of being in a boot or chronic ankle sprains, right?

Chiropractic, Parasympathetic Tone, And Movement

SPEAKER_00 28:39

They lack pro-perception in in those in those areas, right? They can't they you know consciously they know where their foot is, but they can't really feel it, right? So there's there's a difference there. And I think pro-perception is uh a huge missing piece that uh coaches, at least in in my field, don't really um they think just because an athlete's very, very gifted, you know, that they have great pro-perception, which may be the case, but there's also cases where I've seen it's it's not the case and they have the chronic injuries to a side and stuff like that. Um now can we backtrack a little bit? And I apologize, it's my fault, but I would love to, because you've been talking about the hemispheric approach. And uh maybe anyone who's not listened to the podcast I've done with your father, can you explain what that is and also um the difference between that and just basic occupational therapy, you know, because you you were talking about the sensory system and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Yeah, absolutely. And because it really it it it it it kind of superimposes this lens that helps people kind of you know divide things in a digestible way, like right hemisphere or left hemisphere. So it, you know, it if I could explain it kind of you know briefly, the left, the left hemisphere is much more associated, like there's two specific networks in the left hemisphere that are really unique to human beings. And it's really because of, you know, you know, the fact that we that we created um written language and and like language, spoken language is very unique to human beings. And one of the biggest things that we're discovering is that the reason we developed language is really because bipedalism and the way we move. So actually, movement and coordination is what develops all these really high cognitive evolutionary traits. So when we see people who are really left hemispherically dominant, their level not only of memory of like symbology and algorithmic pattern recognition. So, you know, that's all like you know, has to do with like reading and and you know, numerical operations, um, but even like you know, memory, landmark recognition. And this is where you start to get people that have a certain type of OCD that are more like routine-based, they analyze things over and over. We have some kids that watch these videos or listen to songs over and over and over, and they they don't feel the fatigue of like doing something repetitiously, and they they really get stuck in routines. And this is kind of like where we see people on the spectrum of autism are very left hemisphere dominant. So they have a lot of these traits. A lot of the emotions involved with the left hemisphere are more kind of considered positive emotions, but you could also kind of them kind of call them manic emotions, which are more the you know, happiness, anger, frustration. Because even anger and frustration are considered positive emotions, because like in the face of adversity, it helps you pursue, like, for example, if you're gonna like starve versus you know, you're gonna kill some animal and survive. I mean, it goes back to even like you know, little like evolutionary concepts like that. And, you know, when you're pissed off, you could either get pissed off and succeed, or you can, you know, kind of die and you know, lose. So that's all still considered, you know, approachable. The left hemisphere is more about approach behavior. Um, and there's a lot of kids that are kind of like space invaders, they don't understand personal space, and that's because the right hemisphere plays a big role. And and you know, really the left hemisphere plays a plays a giant role in things like IQ. So, like when you test for IQ, you're really looking at like academic performance, memorization skills, algorithmic pattern recognition. And the right hemisphere is more about like instinctual and emotional and attachment awareness, like, you know, how are, you know, am I coming off weird? You know, also people who are a little bit too right hemispherically dominant, those are people that might be more depressed. And those are the more kind of like negative emotions, which are considered more like, you know, self-awareness, uh, depression, guilt, shame, sadness. And we see that even the neurotransmitters that are involved with the left and the right hemisphere, like the left hemisphere is considered dopaminergic, the right hemisphere is considered more serotonergic, and those play a role with those emotions. But also when you start to get into people who are like out of balance, then you see these huge gifts and these, you know, these delays or these missing pieces. And so for people with autism, they are extremely brilliant. I mean, it's scary how brilliant every single person I meet on the spectrum autism is. They're like algorithmic geniuses, and unfortunately, some of them are not speaking, so that people don't know, and it's easy for them to assume hey, this guy's not, he doesn't know anything, but they are ferociously intelligent, but they have a really huge disconnect from their body, like literally, like sensory-wise. Um, they don't feel things as much. They don't feel like an urge to connect with people, you know, or or relate their their experiences, and that's usually the first symptom. Whereas that's the opposite case with right hemisphere dominant people. They are extremely emotionally aware, emotionally available, really like, you know, caring, kind people, but that's also like kind of a double-edged sword at times because you can also really be harsh on yourself and have these huge levels of self-awareness. And, you know, but those are people that might actually be in the realm of like dyslexia. They might actually struggle with symbolic letter identification, they might struggle with memory or pattern recognition, but they're usually like brilliant. I mean, there's a lot of my sister is actually a singer-songwriter. She moved to Nashville, and the she actually has a podcast with my dad called The Right Brain. And it's great. I love seeing them talk about it, and they're very, you know, well spoken and you know, they compliment each other great. Um, but she got down to Nashville and she's like, Dad, all my friends are like dyslexic. They're all these like crazy, amazing artists, singer-songwriters, but a lot of them can't read music or they can't read. And there's a lot of historical, like, you know, talented artists, you know, like Walt Disney, um, you know, Paul McCartney, like there's all these people that are really high up in in the music or performance industry, and they're they're dyslexic. And that's because their right hemisphere is insanely strong. They might be very good at interpersonal skills,

Proprioception, Sensory Gaps, And Pain

SPEAKER_01 34:28

business connections. You know, a lot of those people can pick up music just by listening to it. They don't necessarily need to read the music, but then there's other people who are maybe like classical artists that they need to read the music and they need all the really specific kinds of calculations and and symphonies. And um, you know, it's so there's also different types of, you know, creativity and art. So there's a there's a ton of subjects, but mostly you see, people who are on the spectrum of autism are extremely left hemispherically dominant. People who are on the spectrum of dyslexia are more right hemispherically dominant. And what people don't understand is there's these huge gifts and there's these huge weaknesses in both of those groups, but they're like completely flipped, completely opposite. And it's it's you have to sometimes see it in like an everyday presentation to be like, whoa, this is totally, I mean, especially we see people from all over the world. And there's like, so this you can't argue, oh, it's a culture thing, or you know, it's a it's a different you know, country or different land. Like there's the same symptoms, the same struggles, and the same gifts amongst all these individuals. And if you put, if you can, if you can kind of bracket people in a way where either they have these right hemisphere strengths or left hemisphere strengths, then it makes it a lot easier to navigate as a psychologist, as a you know, medical practitioner. I mean, even the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system, because even like the immune system, if somebody has a hyperactive immune system or a hypoactive immune system or the digestive system, that all still relates to this left and right hemisphere model. And it really makes more sense.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Can we get into those two things right there? Because that's I I've been fortunate to had own this gym and been here for 13 years. And I'm seeing, I guess I'm that old guy now where the generations are more and more kids have immune issues, more and more kids are having gut issues. Please, please talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Yeah, sure. I mean, I was also one of those kids. That was one of the things that actually, you know, I was, you know, maybe one of the things that was screaming out to my dad. I was like, I had gnarly eczema all over my arm, like throughout middle school. I definitely had signs of these hyperactive immune symptoms. I mean, I still get like crazy fever dreams. I understand why a lot of kids, if they're on the spectrum, they might, they might actually go into levels of like mania when they get sick, where you should you should really get lethargic and you should get tired. But there is a diagnosis called pans or pandas, and it plays a role with how, like, you know, basically inflammatory chemicals can agitate the brain. And that's, you know, one of the subjects that really helped a lot of other doctors that we're working with go into this field called neuroimmunology. And neuroimmunology is a big field that's looking at how is the immune system and the nervous system connected. Same thing with the digestive system, but it's it's like crazy mind-numbing levels of like, you know, biochemistry and cellular biology. There's like the TH1 system, the TH2 system, the TH regulatory system, all these deep concepts in the immune system. But then it, you know, there's a there's a doctor, Dr. Peter Sky, that he's from Atlanta. He works with uh my father a lot. He's he's awesome. And he he's somebody that lectures on neuro in neuroimmunology. Um, and then they connect in how the nervous system in the brain and that hemispheric model can be really like superimposed and makes a lot more sense with the TH1 and the TH2 system. Um, but we have a lot of kids that if they're on the spectrum, they have very, very sensitive hair trigger immune systems. And they can potentially be prone to like having a reaction to vaccines, but we usually see other things going on beforehand. And this is also a nice subject to be able to navigate like a like a subject like vaccines without getting like political, because it really is like a scientific kind of subject when you look at it from the hemispheric model. Because there are some people that get reactions, and we need to make sure we validate that because there's a ton of parents that are like, yo, I saw my kid go like comatose, so they turned blue. And you know, they they were probably right. That probably did happen, but that's because they probably shouldn't have really, you know, put a match to the gasoline. You don't want to create antibodies in a child that's already overproducing and kicking out antibodies. And if you do blood tests with these kids, you'll see their antibody markers are huge. They're tagging foods, they're tagging their own tissues. So you have to make sure you balance that out and you look at blood markers, and then you can almost screen people for whether a vaccine or something like that would make sense. And then there's people that have no reaction, and that you have to take that into account. In science, you can't just say, you know, correlation is causation. You have to look at how there are different like scenarios. There are these variable degrees of, you know, people don't react to these things, or they do. A lot of athletes were reacting to like the COVID vaccine, and that's because a lot of them check off for a high blood marker called TH17. And that was something that Dr. Peter Scar,

Autism vs Dyslexia: Mirrored Strengths

SPEAKER_01 39:02

Peter Peter Skyer discovered. And he was like testing people and screening people because some people were like, hey, man, I'll I'll lose my job if I don't get this shot and like I need help. And so he was working with a ton of people and using vitamins and and checking their blood markers. And um, you know, that's something that that that we're starting to realize is the hemispheric model, right and left hemisphere dominant people, you can see that their immune system reacts very differently. And um you can you can help kind of stimulate the the white blood cell system and the the uh antibody system, or you need to kind of tone that down with some people. And not everybody's gonna fit into the same, you know, kind of bracket when it comes to the immune system. But there are absolutely the same scenarios with left hemisphere dominant and right hemisphere dominant people. We see very similar things.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

So, uh to say you get an athlete, like I have some athletes that have, let's say, IBS type of symptoms, right? Is that would you say that's a particular hemispheric issue?

SPEAKER_01 40:00

I mean, honestly, that makes a lot of sense. A lot of athletes are right hemispherically dominant people. They're usually very just you know, talented and gifted in proprioception and interoception from a young age. And, you know, to be honest, you know, you do have to be kind of talented in the realm of athleticism at times. I mean, you could definitely say, hey, we can, you know, work out, but when you get somebody that's just purely talented, it's you know, that's people we find, especially in in athletics in athletics, they're usually right hemisphere geniuses. And, you know, that's where, you know, a lot of like classic jocks struggle with school, but they're great with sports. Like I said, if their left hemisphere deficit, yeah, they might, they might struggle with reading. Their left hemisphere is not picking up symbology or not really creating cohesive, you know, kind of systems or sentences. So we see that. And IBS is usually that we find the right hemisphere plays a bigger role with, you know, initiating or, you know, kind of, you know, playing a control with the white blood cell system. But the the there's a TH1 and TH2 system. But we find that basically athletes in general are more prone to things like IBS because the the antibodies that are involved with like the visceral organs in the gut or things like that, they're a little bit overactive. And there's different supplements you can use to help tone that down. But at the same time, those are people that might, when they get sick, that it takes a while for them to fight it off, or they might have a delayed onset when they get sick. Um, and those are people that we need to like bring up their white blood cell count and be able to fight things off and also be able to mark things better. And then there's people that are left hemisphere dominant, who might be like really brainiac, smart people, not really as athletic. And those are usually people with high levels of antibody markers, uh histamine reactions, and food sensitivities and eczema and you know things like that. So we and we don't see that as much with athletes, athletes. We don't see as much eczema and things like that. But it also depends on we have to kind of decipher whether you know that really is a left or right hemisphere type of athlete or not. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Um, yeah, just uh I I've either seen the uh athletes historically that have come in with uh on IBS or they're they got constipation issues. And I was just curious to learn more, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

So sorry, constipation is more of like a left hemisphere dominant trait. We find that if your sympathetic nervous system is high, then you know, bowel movements. This is why I was saying chiropractic can actually help with that because you're actually kind of bringing blood flow and parasympathetic activation into those lower segments of the spine and the gut and stuff. Um, so IBS and and constipation, you know, they can kind of interchange, but at the same time, you know, when you really kind of boil down whether it's one or the other, then it it does fall into that that left to right hemisphere diagnosis.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Yeah, because that's something um something they don't talk about in strength nutrition or with sport coaches or things is nothing will fuck up a performance like I have an upset stomach. Oh, yeah. Either either side of that spectrum, you know, and so that that's like kind of like this unwritten, this untalked about uh thing. But like, you know, so the the hemispheric approach to me makes a lot of sense in that regard. Now, as far as nutrition and supplements, you kind of touched upon that. Like, where do you fall on that uh as far as how it affects the brain, or or you know, there's the old saying, well, I say old only because since I've learned from your father and the stuff you guys do, that the gut's the second brain, right? I think if correct me if I'm wrong, your father kind of disagrees. There's the brain brain, and then it affects the gut. But how does nutrition play a role in working with kids with autism or ADHD or you know, kids on that kind of neurodivergence spectrum?

SPEAKER_01 43:39

Yeah, it's a great question because you know, nutrition's a big piece. Any internal approach with supplements or vitamins and uh and and nutrition is great. But um, you know, we have to also do some blood tests with people to see if certain like, you know, nutritional paths make sense. Um, but you know, one of the big things that we're starting to look into, and and Dr. Peter Skyer. Other doctors are looking into like berberin and quercetin and how that can affect like antibody production or your white blood cell count, um, and you know, nutrition in general. I mean, there's a lot of people that they're they're tagging foods or they're tagging their own tissues, and we need to understand if there's autoimmune processes. Um, but I'm sorry, I kind of uh I lost the the the training. Oh, good, dude.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

No, you're gonna talk about nutrition and the role it plays as far as ADHD and autism and and how you guys look at that and kind of kind of go through um, you know, because one of the questions I want to get to is in environment, the role of environment in this thing and parents and how how you guys what do you do to try to change or make aware of changes that need to be in the environment. And at least in my small uh corner of the world, nutrition is just like it's it's an afterthought. It's just like I'm gonna eat what's tasty, right? But my kids got fucking attention issues like a son of a bitch. So, like I'm just curious as far as your thoughts on overall role of nutrition supplements and how it affects

Immune Profiles, PANS, And Neuroimmunology

SPEAKER_00 45:10

brain and brain health, whether at either end of the spectrum.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

Yeah, and you know what? I'm sorry, I lost I lost what I was gonna say, but uh I come back to realizing. So basically, you know, listen, neurotransmitters and things like that aren't really the like primary way to look at the brain, and it's hard to, but we do know that 90% of your serotonin, which is a huge neurotransmitter, is actually made in your gut. And that's why actually, you know, this is why like probiotics and things like that are good. And that's why I try to help people understand is that you know, a lot of people are taking probiotics or whatever, but you got to understand that like especially if you're taking like a you know a an antibiotic, then and you you might be kind of like you know, destroying the biome in your in your gut. And listen, you might have to take an antibiotic now and then. That's that's understandable. But if you do, there's a lot of emotional and psychological things that can come that can arise if you have imbalances in your serotonin, or you know, if you're if you're eating a lot of carbs, and you know, these kids are just kind of like addicted to carbs, or if they get like these systemic yeast infections. Um, and it's fascinating because really, like, you know, something like yeast can actually kind of hijack your nervous system where it makes you crave sugar and it makes you kind of it makes it like reciprocate and feed itself. And you need to understand if kids are kind of like you know, in those systemic states and how serotonin plays a role, and and you know, the biome of the gut plays a role with the brain. But basically, yeah, the the the gut is a much more secondary, complementary unit to the brain where the brain is really controlling like the brain, the brainstem kind of control how the gut functions. So, you know, but but for example, we do a lot of um antibody tests with people before we navigate nutrition, and there's a lot of people doing you know, non-gluten, non-dairy diets, and we do blood tests, and it just doesn't make sense for them. I mean, there might be all these, you know, non-gluten or you know, vegan option grains that are coming up all in like these high risk range markers, and the gluten and dairy is fine, and it's just ironic because you know, everybody has different kinds of metabolic and you know, different types of processes or different foods that might affect them, and it plays a big role. But yeah, I mean, listen, with with when you say ADHD, it really depends on like what the what the type is. This also falls into the hemispheric model because we do see that. Can you please explain that? Yes. So you the the kids that are more left hemisphere dominant, so this whenever I say like dominant, it means that the other side is is deficit, and you could say that in different ways, but basically, if you see overactivity of the left hemisphere, then you get a lot of people that have heavy like motor activity, hyperactivity, they can't stay still. And you know, to be honest with you, everybody on planet earth probably has a certain level of ADHD, and it's just which type do you have? I mean, there is three types there's you know inattentive, which is type one, there's type two, which is hyperactive, and then type three is combined. But really, it's either you're inattentive or you're hyperactive. So we find there's people that are more hyperactive and you're trying to get them to sit still, and it's tough. The teachers are like, hey, he's climbing things, you know, he's moving around, he won't stay in a chair. And listen, if you if you understand this hemispheric model, then it would make you kind of understand the expectation of how realistic it is to ask a certain kid to sit still or something like that. And then you can kind of reapproach how you would discipline or go about something like that. But then you have kids that are more like just these emotional and empathetic geniuses and they love, you know, observing human interaction. Um, and they might be like daydreamers and they get like caught up in their head, and then the teacher's like, hey, you're not paying attention. And those are the people that are more inattentive, but they're really like probably in these deeper, you know, subjects of philosophy. They just they just go down these routes that kind of pull them into these deep states. Um, whereas other people that are hyperactive, there there's moments they can get hyper-fixated. I mean, there's a lot of kids that are really prone to obsessively, like, you know, obsessively getting into certain videos or or you know, toys or you know, subjects, trains, planes, whatever. And you gotta almost like pull them away. Like their attention isn't the issue, it's that they can't stay still. And the left hemisphere generates a lot of motor activity in general, and the right hemisphere is more like in tune and and in intuitive and and in a you know, more about attachments and and things like that, and the reputation, the social reputations, and those people might be inattentive. So, that being said, the way you navigate nutrition, you know, it also kind of depends on the kids you're working with, too, and how the nervous system's wired.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

So there's three types of attention. So when uh school does a IEP and says your kid have a ADHD, do you make them like do you accept that? Do you do you tell the parents they should get more testing done with that?

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Um, I remember your father's honestly.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

Yeah, I remember your father, I think, talking about the Wexler test, have that done, right? I'm not sure if that's still a recommendation. I made I made this I made my my son's school

Athletes, IBS, And Gut Patterns

SPEAKER_00 50:05

do that. I made them do it. It took them a year, it took them a year to agree to do it. And we had that we had to have so many meetings with the counselors and the principals and the teachers as to why. Um, because I didn't, you know, uh they just label it as one ADHD. Now that kind of ties in my question or my thoughts with, okay, now where does whether okay, well, first let's see if we can break down the three types of attention and and specify which hemisphere. And then two, medication, because that's the fucking answer that they all give is all right, now let's medicate them. How does medication affect if you're right or left brain uh attention?

SPEAKER_01 50:43

That's an excellent question. Um, yeah, I mean, there the three types of ADHD, you know, inattentive, hyperactive, and combined. And honestly, combined is more just, you know, if you got a kid that's really on the spectrum of autism or just really globally delayed, you might see they're hyperactive and inattentive. But, you know, it's good that you did the Wexler or the Wyatt exam. Wyatt, it was Wyatt, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's the Wexler, you know, academic achievement uh test. Um, but it's you know it's a state test that, you know, but at the same time, there are subjects that you can divide into right and left hemisphere subjects. And you might get a kid that sucks at academic, or you know, they you know, they're not good in these read, you know, reading comprehension subjects, which is another subject. And you know, in school, it you know, it really frustrates us because then you get you're getting somebody who's not quite educated in diagnoses or things like that, and they're kind of telling you what what your kid's diagnosis is, and it's like, you know, especially this is why it drove my dad nuts when they were talking about my brother, because he was like, What do you mean he's got ADHD? And what is Ritalin doing and how is this medication going to affect him? And you know, he was really searching and nobody had answers, so he was like the one that was like, Fuck it, I'm gonna find the answer. But um, you know, the inattentive kids are much more left hemispheric. Those are the kids that are usually falling into dyslexia, they usually struggle reading, but they're usually empathetic, emotional geniuses, and they are very, you know, those are the people that really succeed with business and things like that. I mean, even Albert Einstein was dyslexic, he didn't speak until he was four, and he was like the coolest. Everybody thought he was a super cool guy, very personable. Uh, whereas like Nikolai Tesla was on the spectrum, everybody hated him, thought he was an asshole. But uh, he was they're both geniuses of the time, and they were like perfect example of right versus left hemisphere type of, you know, uh, you know, scientists that oh let's go cool. Yeah, I love listen, I love Tesla. I could go into that stuff too. Um, but they're great examples that I like to compare because they're different types of, you know, geniuses that took their own routes through academia. Like Einstein was like the last in his class. Ironically, he he married the woman who was first in his physics class. He sucked at physics. Um, he had to help people. I mean, he learned it eventually, but he more like conceptually perceived space and time and rewrote Isaac Newton's Laws of Time. And there's a lot of kids that are dyslexic that they're not doing well in school or they're inattentive, but they're like these conceptual geniuses and they can they can really put together these big picture subjects and navigate these huge philosophical subjects. And if you don't do like a Wyatt with them, you don't know. So they, you know, if you're just doing academic stuff, you're just beating them over and over with like reading or whatever, you can't really see what's going on. But when you divide like reading versus reading comprehension and numerical operations versus problems, like you can see how the right and left hemisphere, you'll you'll see completely different skills. Like, for example, right hemisphere is more about like reading, comprehension, and context. So we see that, you know, kids might not be reading, they might. I mean, we do tests, and we might see a kid in third grade is reading at like a first grade level, so he's dyslexic, but they're comprehending at like a 12th grade level. And teachers are like, How like what? And then we have kids on the spectrum who are reading, maybe they might be like four or five, and they might be reading at like a college grade level, and then they're comprehending at like a one-year-old or something. And if you, you know, if you put that in front of most teachers, they're like, How is this? I don't understand how it's happening. But if you understand those are completely different areas of the brain and the left and the right atmosphere, you're like, oh, that makes a lot of sense. And then you can kind of appreciate or navigate academia with kids like that and understand if they're inattentive or hyperactive

Nutrition, Serotonin, And Biome

SPEAKER_01 54:15

or they have certain skills. And and I I hope that when you did that test with your with your son, that they kind of you know were aware that he might have had skills in certain areas and they well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

But what I was trying to do was show that uh, you know, listen, he's he's right brain dominant, not left brain, and you keep giving him more left brain tasks. Right. You know, yeah, hey, he's not good at math. Uh, let's give him more more fucking math, right? You know, or well, the types of math and things like that. So, and I was also trying to show I wanted to have it to show my wife who's who's worked with kids on the spectrum. Like, I wanted to show, like, hey, there's it's not just black and white. It's there's there's there's gray to it. There's there's areas that that are a little more need to be explained, and then also again pushed on is medications, it's it's all of these things. So, how does that affect if your right brain versus left brain is the medications aimed at just one of those? So let's just say maybe the medication, let's just say it's Ritalin and it's aimed for left brain, but you have a right brain dominant kid. So how would that affect them? Like, because I have I have some families, listen, some kids that come in and it's you know, they they they're on medication, but their sleep's all fucked up, their nutrition's all fucked up, they can't eat because they're not hungry, they're zombies, and it's right. I'm I'm just very interested on on your guys' thoughts and your thoughts on on medication and how it affects it. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 55:36

Yeah, I mean, listen, as a as a chiropractor, I I have to be a little careful about the comments I make on medication, but at the same time, but at the same time, we do help people like yo, heads up, this kid might not react well to that medication because they do kind of bracket everything into the specific type of ADHD. And for example, if you're giving like a methamphetamine, I mean, if you've ever taken a stimulant, I mean, you know, in college, I took like, you know, some some Ritalin or something to study, and I was like jacked up. I was like totally cracked out. And you can totally imagine like these, you know, five-year-old, six-year-old kids, you know, it's so heavy on their bodies. But if you got a kid that's inattentive and more like dyslexic, and you give them something that's like speed, they're you're gonna speed them up. They're gonna become hyperactive. And not only are they inattentive, now they're hyperactive and inattentive. And it's not quite helping them in that realm. It might sometimes help people, but the the ironic thing is you got a person that's hyperactive and they're legitimately like potentially like, you know, Aspergs on the spectrum. They they really can't stop moving. You give them, you know, something like methamphetamine, it actually slows them down and calms them down. So there's times where there are kids that it makes sense with them, but then, you know, of course, there's a ton of side effects, you know, the way it affects your kidney and your spleen and detox and sleep and digestion. Yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna definitely wreck a lot of systems. And you have to be aware of that. And even the the neurotransmitters you're producing, because like anything, if you're kind of substituting, you know, neurotransmitters or you know, people you know, substitute with like testosterone or what, you know, your body's not gonna organically make that as much. So you got to take that into account, and you might crash or your systems need to readjust or whatever. So um, you know, but my kids' grades are better, so right, right, yeah, yeah. But at this, yeah, at the same time, you know, a lot of people are like, you know, coming out as adults saying that, you know, it was really, you know, really messing up their sleep and really messing up digestion. And they just they want to get off at a certain time. And a lot of people, you know, I'm I I mean, I don't mean to bash medical providers, but a lot of them do not really talk about realistic time frames of like, you know, how long you're gonna be on this medication or how long you should realistically be taking this, or if you're using it, you should be also trying to like, you know, learn how to do these subjects that will help you not rely on this. And, you know, listen, when I've got patients that if they're on, you know, especially like, you know, like a stimulant medication and they're overweight, I'm like, all right, we gotta talk, we gotta, we gotta, because you know, those those medications you can't eat, you can't sleep. And if you're starting to be able to become, if you're becoming like desensitized to it, where you can you don't feel that, you know, that that that satiation and you know, that that level of, you know, if you still are are eating at a certain level, you're still you know stressed out, you know, then you have to talk about getting off of those and you have to think about detox in your body. So, you know, there's definitely kids that respond way differently to different types of medication. And I don't want to necessarily say pay parents, you know, people can't pursue that. You know, sometimes, you know, I think it's worth a try, but as long as they're doing therapies to help them, you know, get back on track, then it makes sense. But if you're just kind of do, you know, taking medication and not thinking about time frames, then you're gonna, you're definitely gonna have to deal with the with the aftermath after a while, you know?

SPEAKER_00 58:40

Other than going to a melilo uh, you know, your your practice or going to a brain balance, are there naturopathic things that you recommend or or give guidance to that you know that that can help rather than having to take arritalin or taking what I don't know the the other types of medicines that are subscriptions that are, but like like a fish oil or magnesium or other things like that?

SPEAKER_01 59:03

Well, first of all, I mean I'm gonna be honest. I I think fish oil is awesome. I've been really looking into the subject of fish oil. Um, and you know, one of the most fascinating things I kind of discovered about fish oil is that it's kind of like one of the first things we've been eating since the beginning of time. You know what I mean? It's like you think about it, we've been eating fish since the beginning of

ADHD Types, Testing, And School Labels

SPEAKER_01 59:20

time. And our body knows how to digest it the best out of like any other kind of oil or or you know, meat. And it can really pass through the blood-brain barrier where you know most things shouldn't or can't. And it can almost like flush out inflammatory chemicals, like if you squeeze a sponge and you're like getting the water, like it can literally like flush out inflammatory chemicals that can play a big role in disrupting focus or you know, attention or you know, emotions and dysregulation. So, yeah, I mean, fish oil is awesome. I think it's a great supplement. There's so many benefits to it, but it's just it's cool when you start to break it down and like how our body you know responds to those things and why. Um, also, you know, if if there's different types of uh vitamins that Dr. Malul put together, but you know, anybody can kind of look into certain vitamins and um amino acids that might build like uh dopamine, or there's different um uh um vitamins that might build serotonin. So we might want to give like precursor vitamins and and amino acids to people that, you know, if they're doing the left hemisphere program, we want to stimulate dopamine production. And if there's more right hemisphere, you know, deficit people, we want to stimulate serotin, you know, production. And, you know, even like you know, detox like glutathione and and getting into how certain people might be affected by certain things like like NAD, you know, you got to be careful about certain things like that because they are kind of compiled of nine-cysteine um chemicals or molecules that, you know, when they break apart, they could sometimes stimulate histamine reactions with people. So even you know, there's some things that you got to be careful with, you know, and you got to know your body, you got to know the person you're dealing with and how their their nervous system and their immune system responds to things. So, you know, there's definitely vitamins and you know, detox, you know, kind of routes that you can take. Um, and it's a big thing. And you can totally, you know, kind of substitute medication. But there's times that I think some people might need to try that route and see if it goes well or not, just to like, you know, as a learning experience or you know, if it's if it's good for them or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

Sorry. So, in your opinion, uh with your thoughts uh on on all of this neurodivergent stuff that we're talking about, is it uh is it nature or nurture? It kind of has Oh, it's both.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

It's really both because I I mean I this is a really deep subject because you're almost talking about like where the human evolutionary trajectory is going and what's going on in our species as you know in general, because we're really you're really talking about like genetic expression, and you have to get into and appreciate concepts of epigenetics, which is gonna affect how genetic expression is. And really, you know, naturally you have certain genetic skeletal, you know, profiles, but the way that you express it is gonna definitely be affected by lifestyle and even like you know, your parents' lifestyle, and you have to be aware that you're gonna pass certain genetic traits over to your kids. But you know, there is a natural kind of predisposition to the hemispheric profile that you might go down. And then there is absolutely an epigenetic and you know navigation of lifestyle that you can change genetic expression for better or worse. And so it is definitely a little bit of both, which might be a frustrating answer. But I feel like that is kind of the case the more I work in this in this realm.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:35

Well, I just no, I and I agree with you, but I get the argument all the time that it's genetic. Like no one really, at least in again in my small corner of the world, wants to look at environment, wants to be aware that hey, maybe, maybe it's it's our habits and the shit that we're we're doing, you know. Uh maybe I shouldn't have the kids, kids on the Oculus at eight o'clock at night before they go to bed for a half hour. You know, maybe they shouldn't be eating ultra-processed food, you know, all day and and and you know, uh all that stuff. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

I mean, I think there's a lot of people that are looking at that now. And I think in general, ever since COVID, everybody got a big wake-up call about how you, you know, you can't just rely on doctors, you can't just believe what you're hearing. You got to educate yourself. And if you're not healthy, listen, you know, something like COVID might come through and really, you know, hurt you or really like take, you know, take out some of your loved ones. And, you know, it was something that really, for me, pointed out comorbidities because it was like, you know, a lot of people that were, you know, responding really poorly to to the COVID virus were more people that were not looking at their lifestyle and they had other things going on. And, you know, that's where you I think there's been a big wake-up call for people to look at nutrition and lifestyle and you know, electromagnetic fields and you know, all these things, and how that's you know, something that we might have to detox or protect ourselves against. But, you know, for me, I can't help stand back and just be like, you know, something like autism, because they're like, you know, it's an epidemic, it's on the rise, where's it coming from? And you know, the more I deal with kids that are on the spectrum, they are very predisposed to being addicted to technology just from the start. When I've got kids that are left hemisphere deficit and they're more dyslexic, they don't give a shit about technology. It's so funny. Like, I mean, and then and listen, kids are influenced by their friends, and if they're friends of things, they want that. And so it's just sometimes, you know, the but in general, when I see kids that are more like dyslexic, they do not care about technology, they want more human interaction. The kids that are more left hemispherically dominant, just naturally from young ages, like even when they're like two or whatever, they they gravitate towards iPads. And when I think about it, I'm like, you know, the left hemisphere of the brain, of the human brain, kind of like created technology in these iPads. I mean, you think about the level of civilizations and the way that the human species has kind of arose and turned into apex predators. Now we're just like really just cruising at comfortable and we're not surviving, we're not fighting, we're not traversing. There's no like, you know, you know, you think about like, you know, Genghis Khan and like Spartans and you know, these dudes wearing sandals, like, you know, kicking ass and fighting wars and thinking about battle tactics and like these big picture concepts and trying to survive, where we're more so now, you know, people that are more, you know, passing on their genes and successful or more intellectual and successful in, you know, business and making money and you know, these subjects of tech and you know, you know, mechanical engineering. And so there's just been this constant reciprocation and almost grooming of our species to potentially have these crazy high left

Meds, Stimulants, And Tradeoffs

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

hemisphere skills, which is really where autism is coming from. And lifestyle is playing a big role with that. So a part of me thinks it's great to go back to like nature and you know, maybe make some of these classrooms look like a fucking cave or something. You know, it's like, I mean, literally, I mean, I was working with these, there was a conference I went to called Movement and Cognition, and there was actually this reason, these researchers, these women, these women that were really Smart, they were looking at how Chat GBT and creating these virtual rooms through like the Oculus, how it kind of like activated different networks and cells in the brain, and how different environments could be unhealthy or healthy for you. And they found that, like, you know, almost more like natural, like contours of like caves and you know, versus like a cubicle and like a you know a classic office space, like there was way more toxic environments. And I think that that's something that we could go back towards and like grounding and you know, like you know, those are real subjects that are that are really coming up, and how you know we we need to interact more with nature and and go back to like you know, realistic nutritional values and and look at the shit that's in half of our foods, and especially in America, it's like crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:43

So well, one of the things that uh you and I are uh kind of geeks on that that I've gravitated towards your Instagram is quantum physics, quantum mechanics, this this. Can we can we get into that as far as you know uh one your your thoughts on the overall well uh you know overall what it is and then how and if you apply it uh with the people that you you work with?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

Yes, sure. I mean, to be honest with you, I think quantum physics is thrown around a lot now, and you really have to find people that are really like publishing things and putting out research on these subjects. I mean, I can't help think of this one guy, his name's Nassim Harem. I've been like obsessed with him, and he's really publishing a lot of papers. Um, but at the same time, he'll go to like Burning Man and like, you know, kind of kick it with a bunch of people. And so he's cool and he's realistic, and the things he talks about are digestible. I mean, he's rewriting concepts of gravity, entanglement, uh, quantum field theory, black holes. So, like, you know, legitimate kind of theories in quantum physics. And really, I mean, one of the things that got me into it was that we work with um yeah, QEG techs in this field. So we do a lot of QEGs. And, you know, they talk about like, you know, alpha and gamma and beta, and if they do QEG, you know, it's it's kind of frustrating for a lot of parents because it's like, what the fuck do you mean by alpha wave? Or you know, what does that mean by a gamma wave? Like, what do you mean? Because they might just speak in that terminology. And the hemispheric model helps a lot with like, you know, if you have alpha, then you might, or you've got you got beta, it might be hyperactivity or these, you know, you know, high levels of of amplitude in these areas of your brain. And if you have lower or slower waves, how is that playing a role with maybe if there's developmental delay? Because you do see different frequency bands in different, you know, kind of age groups of people. So there are ways that you can look at it at it from a developmental standpoint or hemispheric standpoint. But it, you know, it's like I was kind of getting into just like simple subjects of like electromagnetic physics, like, for example, like an anode and a cathode, because we use even like devices like a transcranial direct current device. And there's even like a battery or even the poles of the, you know, the earth, there's north and south pole. And I'm like, how do they how do they determine what's north or south? Like, you know, listen, you got like, you know, radiation, you've got that thing that's like clicking and it's you know, picks up rads, and there's different like kind of measurements that you can use to pick up different types of fields. But I was like, how do they figure out like north versus south? And of course, one of my buddies that's like totally on the spectrum of autism, like talking about this with him, and he's like, Oh, dude, it's just like the atomic spin. It's like the direction of the atomic spin. And I was like, oh, like it was like like I was like searching for this question. And that concept of spin and atomic spin is really where, you know, there's been subjects that I got into in like quantum field theory, which like quantum field theory is basically saying, if I'm in a certain field, so if I'm in one atmospheric pressure, like we are right now, or if I'm like under the ocean, like in two atmospheric pressures, or if I'm in the vacuum of space, or if I'm in an electromagnetic field, how are there going to be different reactions between particles and you know, subatomic events? Like, are there, you know, is there less degrees of freedom? And you know, this is something that comes up in QEG a little bit because you know, you're you're you're basically picking up electromagnetic fields through the skull. And you know, that's I mean, that's just a crazy subject. But then also, you know, how many degrees of freedom of those kind of you know, photons or ions or particles are basically, you know, interacting with what the QEG is picking up. And you can see like faster frequency bands or slower frequency bands. But it's funny because I'll I'll talk to, I mean, even Dr. Miller, I saw him kind of you know chisel away at a certain like really, you know, really prestigious uh QEG tech. And you know, there's even limitations to the QEG, where like, do we know if that's a you know an inhibitory or an excitatory beta wave? And and we don't know that. I mean, the guy was like, damn, I've never had anybody ask me that. So there's there's questions I've seen Dr. Miller ask even about really deep subjects of of you know, kind of like, you know, electromagnetic physics and and and and quantum physics, where there's people that are still like, hey, we need to discover that. But there's a lot of people that I've talked to in the in the in the QEG field that I'm like,

Supplements, Fish Oil, And Precursors

SPEAKER_01 1:11:00

you know, what what is an alpha wave? What is a beta wave? And it's just we, you know, we'll have some drinks about it and talk about it. And they just so they just might laugh and be like, I don't really know, but it's just it, you know, you have to kind of tie it back into like an understandable and digestible thing. And and I couldn't help get into, you know, the I couldn't help appreciate subjects of quantum physics because, you know, when you think about the human brain and the or or a nervous system in general, it's like, what is it doing? I mean, why did it even arise? And what does it do? And it's almost really more so interpreting all of these kind of stimuli and subjects in in, you know, when you pick up sound or you pick up light or you pick up touch, you're really trying to interpret, you know, all of these kind of resonant and like, you know, kind of subjects that do fall into quantum physics and just the kind of the universe and reality. And we're kind of these like organic mediums that are interpreting reality. And it's it's just fascinating. It's hard not to really get deep into it because you know, the tools that we use, like infrared light or vibration or music or light, and even those like different tinted glasses, you know, it's just it's just fascinating. They do go into frequency bands, they do go into vibration. You know, there's something Tesla talked about, like resonance and vibration, and you know, it's really cool stuff. So it could you could use that in ways to treat the brain or treat the nervous system. And uh it's just, you know, I I mean, listen, I could I could go on a lot. Um, you know, it's kind of like how much time do you have?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:23

I'm just letting it go, bro. Just letting it go. So what have you, I mean, have you guys looked into the effects of uh artificial blue light on kids with uh attention issues?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:33

Um, kind of. I mean, listen, when you talk about blue light, there is there is like blue um tinted glasses, which can be a little bit different from the actual natural blue light that comes from like the sun and stuff like that. But yeah, absolutely, like circadian rhythms and blue light, yeah, they totally affect like cortisol production and like when you're going to peak in your awakeness and fall asleep. And you know, that's that's one way to look at it for sure. But then there's you know, there's a lot of kids that don't react the same to things like that because I think there are different types of ADHD. And you know, but even like, for example, like even with the left and the right hemisphere, I was like, why? And one of the papers I had to kind of write with with my father and different researchers was um a subject that was looking at, you know, why is there hand dominance? Like what what what is the benefit? What's the evolutionary benefit of having a hand dominance? Like, why do we do that? Why do we and if you look, there's more like there's even like an eye dominance, there's an ear dominance, there's a foot dominance. And why does that even arise? And and we went back like 500 million years to the Cambrian explosion, and there was something called trilobites, which is a certain organism that was kind of like this crustaceous like bug thing. And then there was uh an apex predator at the time known as amylocaris, and they showed that the amylocaris, which was you know the most sophisticated nervous system at the time, even 500 million years ago, was showing that it was basically, you know, the trilobites was its main prey, and the way that it would attack it and kind of like grab it was more from its right like claw or its right hand. And it showed that, you know, even the the apex predator 500 million years ago showed a hand dominance. And it's it's something that helps us understand that the more sophisticated you get in a nervous system, the more lateralized the brain is, the more different each side of the brain should be. Because you almost get like an advantage of having two brains. And like babies, for example, they do things with both hands. And if you do something, like there's a saying that in evolution, if if you're too redundant, you're gonna die. You're you know, redundancy is not a is not a desirable trait. So if you're doing things with two hands or you're taking too long to process something, you're screwed. I mean, it comes down to like, are you gonna survive or are you gonna die? And doing something with one hand made us more efficient and made us more

Nature, Nurture, And Epigenetics

SPEAKER_01 1:14:50

sophisticated with that one hand, and we'd have to divide our metabolic energy into both hands. And that even makes me think of like certain like kind of um sacred geometry subjects, like like Fibonacci sequences, and like it is kind of asymmetrical the way you look at it, but there is definitely this kind of asymmetrical pattern and spiral that we see with like you know, really macroscopic things like universes and solar systems, and then microscopic subjects like atoms and you know, protons and things like that. And there is this like you know, this spin and asymmetry to things, and even like you know, maybe like even genetics and and DNA, the way that you know, like genes might be activated, might be the direction of spin of DNA and how different, you know, kind of enzymes are reading that. And so, you know, these are things that you know, I really do try to tie into like what I'm doing and with with the tools that we use and and what we're using. But really, it's it's it's fascinating to go down the route of quantum physics. But it's funny because when you when you really meet a legit quantum physicist, they're like, we know nothing. And you're like, okay, you're you're legit. But if you can, if if you try to act like we know things about quantum physics, like they're fascinating subjects, but they really do they kind of explore, like, you know, even like when you know the universe was in different states, like you know, physics, physics wasn't really acting the same in different scenarios in in in space and time. So um, you know, it's hard to say that we can fully understand these subjects, but they definitely make sense when you're trying to understand things like QEG, or if you're trying to understand what is photobiomodulation, what is light doing, or you know, how does cellular activation interact? What is the QEG picking up? What the hell is these electromagnetic fields? I mean, honestly, that that's even another subject. It's like, how is there an electromagnetic field through the skull? I mean, there's some people that argue that that's not what it is, and if you try to question what the QEG is picking up, it's a little kind of like whoa, like it could even be like a like a soul or a human spirit, which you got to be careful saying in science. But like seriously, it's like, whoa, like it's it's how are you picking up electromagnetic fields through the skull like that? So it all of it ties together, and it just helps me further appreciate you know the role and and the field that I'm in, and it ties all these things together.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:01

Yeah, I know, I know with the biomodulation and the lasers, you guys use uh the lights and the glasses. That was always the questions I get. Why do we use the color glasses? Why do we have this why why this color versus that color? Things like that. Um, you know, those are those are always fun as far as trying to explain, you know, frequency and and uh how how it affects everything as a frequency. I know you're big into uh um the spooky phenomenon there. Um what I got I got uh I got a spooky, uh I have my own rice machine that we use here. What is that? Uh it's called the spooky tool. Um it's a it's a rice machine that uh um it can use quantum entanglement. So it has it comes with uh PEMF, it's got uh cold laser, um, it's got contact pads, like tens pads, there's other things, it's got a plasma, a tube, and all types of stuff, but nonetheless it does have um a thing for your DNA. So we could put in technically ties uh hair or a nail in this device, and then we set the frequency because it comes with a database that has um uh frequencies for what we're trying to do. Let's just say it's for your immune system, and I can set it and from quantum entanglement, we can we can get you feeling better um from here.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:25

Well, that's fascinating. I would love to look into that tool. I mean, yeah, it's called spooky too. Yeah, and they they do call it this like a spooky interaction, and it was something that really pissed Einstein off because he was really even talking about entanglement, but he was saying that things can't things really shouldn't travel faster than the speed of light, you'll start to break the universe, and basically, you know, he he it pissed him off because he he was you know, the whole E equals M C squared thing, it just completely went against that. So, you know, entanglement is basically if you mess with a certain like you know particle or atom, you know, or subatomic particle, then you know, instantaneously, no matter where you're at in the universe, you can have a particle that's quantumly entangled to that um that real will react in the same exact way. And it's like something that they studied and showed. And you know, this guy Nassim Haram is talking about how basically entanglement in the universe is very similar to how like microtubules and how the brain interacts, and how consciousness is very similar, and you can almost superimpose the way and the laws that entanglement utilize in like universal events as to how the brain and consciousness arises. And it's just like it's fascinating. So I love these subjects too, because they really are like they're not only just going into quantum physics or whatever, it's like going into how does this also like influence biology and consciousness. And it's it's really cool stuff. But but that sounds really cool. I mean, like, like I said, like quantum entanglement could absolutely be applied to to biological processes, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:55

I I'd love talking that stuff. I've been fortunate to have had uh do a couple podcasts with with people in in this field. Uh the quantum biology uh podcast lady um was awesome. I uh we do structured water is something that we're we're into

Tech, Environment, And Rising Autism

SPEAKER_00 1:20:10

the house. So, but why we have to spin it counterclockwise and what that does. Uh I got my structured water right here. But uh, but uh dude, listen, how about how about we do this if it's okay with you? Uh one, I don't want to take too much more of your time because I feel like we could go probably another hour at least on this alone. So can we get you back on another episode, sir, and we can kind of like just this geek out as far as the quantum stuff and how you apply it and its role in the work that you do?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:40

Oh my god, I would love to. I mean, I can't tell you, I mean, I really can't help give credit to this guy, Nasimah, but also Dr. Malolo, Dr. Rob Malolo. I mean, I I've been really just spending all my time uniting the way that they're going about explaining these huge subjects, and I I love it. And I think that, you know, people, if they can start to like understand and and superimpose a lot of these subjects, it'll help people understand that you know, there is so much science and there is so many cool subjects that they can use to back up this stuff. And it doesn't have to be like rigid, like you know, scientific, you know, this is not it's actually it's great to speculate, but then also grounding ourselves in and understanding a little bit of what we do is is great. But I would be more than happy to be back here again. I think that, you know, I had a great time going through these subjects, and I would love to go deeper into like specific subjects because there's so much information I've been gathering, and there's so much stuff I'd love to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

So absolutely, yeah. Let's let's let's jump on another call, figure that out. But uh in the meantime, hey man, thank you so much for that uh deep and rich conversation with uh dude the crazy neuroscience and everything. Uh you know yes, thank you, man. I I really appreciate your time.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

Well, thank you for having me. I'm I'm more than happy to go through the subjects. It's such an honor for me to be on a platform like this. So thank you. Thank you so much.