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Planning Board 2/06/2025
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Prepare to uncover the tangled web of legalities and logistical hurdles faced by developers in our latest episode. We kick things off at the Planning Board meeting, where temporary chair Matt Andrade navigates through the challenges surrounding the Dough Run development. With updates on the nearing completion of phase one, we untangle an emerging easement dispute that calls attention to the delicate balance of interests between new homeowners and ongoing projects.
Caught in a web of legal entanglements, developers often find themselves at the mercy of unforeseen complications. We spotlight the profound impact of a simple fence in stalling a subdivision project, highlighting the tension between fulfilling legal obligations and battling external roadblocks. Hear firsthand the exasperation of a developer as cemetery access issues threaten financial stability, and see how commitment to collaboration and covering legal fees illustrates the intricate dance of cooperation necessary in project management.
As we move forward, public hearings and site evaluations take center stage with a look at Greco's proposed warehouse facility as one of their engineers guides us through the meticulous planning process for a new distribution building. Explore the fascinating world of zoning boards, where parking lot designs and safety features undergo scrutiny to ensure regulatory compliance. This episode underscores the critical nature of communication and the meticulous coordination required to keep development projects on track and thriving.
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Good, Okay. 601, February 6, 2025, opening the meeting for the Ringhan Planning Board. The meeting's televised on both Channel 98, Comcast, Channel 34, Verizon Verizon.
Speaker 4:first thing on our agenda is the minutes of January 16, january 2nd and December 19th. I make a motion to waive the reading and approve the minutes for those three days.
Speaker 2:I'll second to that. All in favor of any discussion Hearing. None, all in favor. Aye, okay, the next thing on the agenda is dough run discussion on lot releases. My brother, frank, is involved in that, so I'm going to abstain from anything related to lot releases and let Matt Andrade run the meeting related to the lottery leases and let Matt and rate and run the meeting. And you know Matt's vice chairman, anthony Nicole ease. To his right, to my left is Burke fountain and to his left is Brian old field all planning board members.
Speaker 2:The only thing I'm going to mention on this law releases. There was been issues with the cemetery and the access easement. There's been issues with the cemetery and the access easement. There's been some letters that have gone out with, you know, to the applicant through Ted Pettik, you know to actually the landowner, because it wasn't dependent on how you look at it may not have been conveyed properly to read, but my thoughts going forward, for what they're worth is the cleanest thing to do is just do a land taking and be done with it. Take the land from the people because it doesn't make their lots any less conforming according to our bylaws we've created through when we were doing sewer and water. But that would be my move and that's all I have to say. On the matter of the lot releases, I'm not discussing any of that. I'm going to stay in the room, hand it over to Matt Andrade to handle the dough run Before Matt starts.
Speaker 3:I'm also going to recuse myself from this.
Speaker 6:I have a complex I live in there so I anyone regarding don't run. Like to approach you.
Speaker 7:Like to state your name for the record, please yes, michael and Tachi, I'm the developer of dough run. Last time I was here we came about eight months ago, nine months ago, to get the lots released and we discussed finishing the first phase before we jumped into the second phase. To make sure the sidewalks were in, curving was in and finished road was in, because there were people already living in the subdivision in phase one and you guys wanted to make sure safety there were no more trucks coming in while kids are going to school. So as of December 10th, all the roadways were completed in Phase 1, curbing put in, sidewalks put in, everything done. The only thing that wasn't put in were the trees, because they were going to deliver them but they wouldn't warranty them because it was too late in the year. So they're getting delivered in April. That's the only thing missing are the trees. So now I'm back in front, like we discussed, to say come back when the road is complete. Okay, and regarding, can I talk about this?
Speaker 6:Yeah, of course.
Speaker 7:So Frank, we sold the house and on the house it's recorded, like he's saying, taking the property over. It's recorded at the registry of deeds right on their lot as an easement. When Frank went out and they hired him because they bought the house and like six, eight months later they wanted to put a fence up, Frank staked it out. He staked it telling him that there was an easement and where the fence has to go is here, and here is. I got a letter for the record for everybody that Frank told them that and staked it that way. So here's a letter from the engineer who did it. Did you want one? Did you want one? No to Maureen. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2:He'd want them. I'm sure he would. I have to.
Speaker 7:So you did explain it to him. As far as I know, town council sent a letter saying that they had 30 days to move the fence and I think right now there's a foot of frost in the ground. I don't think they're gonna be able to fence within 30 days, but I know town council sent a letter and that's the way that stands okay, so have we heard any response? Back? I have no idea because I don't own the property anymore.
Speaker 6:They we can no, I understand, but I'm trying to help, yeah.
Speaker 7:I'm trying to help out and get anything that we can. All I know is town council sent the letter and was going that route.
Speaker 6:And they said, I would do anything I can to help out.
Speaker 7:But my attorney even told me, because you have no rent going on their property, they own the property. You can be trespassing Correct.
Speaker 6:And the town doesn't own the road yet, so technically the road is the obligation of the developer.
Speaker 7:Yep, that's why I'm willing to do anything I can to help out the situation.
Speaker 3:And if it's?
Speaker 7:a taking or whatever. I'm willing to help out, whatever it is. But I think hopefully they'll move the fence once the weather breaks, because I think you're talking about 10 feet. Okay, because I think you're talking 10 feet.
Speaker 6:Okay, it's still my prerogative and I'm only one member up here that until that we've had him come in, we've had the commissioner come in and he's voiced his concern about the fence being there and not having access, and it's upon his guidance and hope that that can be resolved before we relinquish more lots, and I would tend to agree with him, I mean the remainder of the board, but I can't control something that someone I sold a lot to and they don't do.
Speaker 7:So that's like someone going there and building a garage and they didn't have a permit and I get blamed for building their garage.
Speaker 6:Someone going on a property and doing damage or whatever, and I get blamed for building a garage, someone going on the property and doing damage or whatever, and I get blamed for we had a verbal. As soon as this town takes over that road, it's our responsibility but that's fine, but I can't go.
Speaker 7:If a homeowner does something on their property, I can't make them do this or do that.
Speaker 6:I didn't do it yeah, so you're gonna hold me up building a project where we agreed.
Speaker 7:When I came in and I agreed with you guys 100% at the time I said yes, you're right, there are kids there, I'll go finish the road. So now I've got a bank that went and paid all the bills. We didn't ask for a bond reduction. We left the bond amount the way it is because we said we'd reuse it. On Phase 2, even though it's a quarter of it, I said I'd leave the full amount of bond. I'd never touch the bond, reduced it. All I need to do is start going to build some homes, because now I'm getting in trouble from my bank because they let more money to go finish phase one, which the road is all complete, and I have a right to go stop phase two. I can't get blamed for what a homeowner did. I'm willing to do anything. You want to help out, yeah, and we've said but then I can't just stop because I'm already getting slack that I'm not already in there working putting foundations in.
Speaker 6:No, I understand and again, you came into us a year plus ago talking about when the road was going to be done and laid out a very clear timeline. Correct and not one of the dates was hit on that timeline.
Speaker 7:And I know, did I ever come back asking for that? No, I'm just I know, but I never did come back.
Speaker 6:I understand it's my prerogative and that's my judgment.
Speaker 7:There's two other members and I'm just one person. But I care about what I do. But it's just you and I care about the other members. But I didn't do anything wrong here.
Speaker 2:I stood behind what I said. If I might, as a point of order not that I'm involved. I don't think it's healthy to banter very much Correct.
Speaker 6:yeah, I just want to pass it on to. I think it's up to.
Speaker 2:Matt, to allow you to speak or not speak, and I'm just simply relaying. Bob couldn't be here and I don't think maybe he didn't get a chance to talk to any of you.
Speaker 6:He indicated that this wasn't going to go anywhere, for whatever reasons, and he's not here to speak for himself, so I would just like to pass it to Brian and then, burke, you can weigh in as well. I agree with Matt 100%.
Speaker 1:No lock releases until a cemetery is taken care of.
Speaker 7:On something that I don't own, and I don't either.
Speaker 6:It's up to you you're the developer, but I didn't own, we don't and I don't either. Well, it's up to you.
Speaker 7:You're the developer, but I didn't put the fence up.
Speaker 6:You're the developer, but I didn't put the fence up.
Speaker 7:It was a condition of approval. You're the developer. Okay, You're the developer. So some Until you take care of the problem for the cemetery with an access, but I could't control it. So what am I supposed to do? Go on his property and take the fence down?
Speaker 4:Hey, it's not up to us, but it's not up to me, it's the developer's problem On the approval of the subdivision?
Speaker 6:was it a condition of the approval to have access to the cemetery?
Speaker 7:Yes, and it's on the deed that I recorded.
Speaker 6:It says right on it no, it's a condition of the subdivision and the subdivision's not complete.
Speaker 7:But In addition of the subdivision, the subdivision's not complete, but I did. It's recorded right on it.
Speaker 1:And also it should be no cost to the town.
Speaker 7:All the cost should go to the developer. So, a developer, let me ask you a question. Someone goes on that property and kills someone. I'm responsible for them killing someone.
Speaker 6:That's not right. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 7:It's not right what you guys are doing. So what do I got to do? Now? Guy won't take offense down. So now I got a bank that's saying, okay, you're not performing, we're going to stop foreclosure. So then I got to what Sue everybody to get my launch release when I did everything that you asked me to do.
Speaker 7:I never came back in here and asked to get the launch release until I kept my word. It's just not right what you're doing. That homeowner goes and puts a fence up. I'm not asking for the bond reduction. I got $580,000 sitting there. I didn't ask for it. It's just not right that you're blaming me for something I didn't do. And I never came in here and asked for launch reductions on watch release until I did what I said I would do and I did it. And now I'm here doing what I did.
Speaker 6:Burke. What's your feedback?
Speaker 7:Who's your attorney? I'm Sean.
Speaker 7:D what am I going to do? Stop Burke, I'm not going to start suing the town. I'm not like that. Here's what I'll agree Any money the town spends to work this out, or whatever it do, I'll pay. I'll reimburse the town, I'll pay the legal fees and stuff. But I can't just stop. You know what it is. I've got a bank that paid all the bills for phase one. I had to go tell them we weren't building phase two until phase one was completed. I completed it. I paid all the bills. Now they want me to go start phase two because that's how they get paid down.
Speaker 7:So now it becomes a legal mess that I'm going to start what getting foreclosed on over there because you guys won't release lots that they lend money for the project. It puts me in a tough situation. I'm not trying to say anything about the board members here, but I'm on my. You've got to understand my side. I'm willing to do what it takes for a pay. But you can't hold up my lots that everything's bonded, everything's done and I've done everything. And show me where legally it says that you can't release my lots if a guy goes and puts a fence up on an easement that I don't own.
Speaker 7:I think that Mr Antosha is willing to pay the town's legal fees. I'll pay the legal fees and if I have to take the land of domain, I'll pay that too. But I can't just stop on something I didn't do. If I did it and sold them the house with a fence, like that, you're right 100%. I'm 100% wrong. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and just like that time I came in. You guys made a great point about school buses and safety. I agreed with you, you think.
Speaker 3:I liked it.
Speaker 7:I know. But I'm just saying do you? But I don't think the town should be responsible. I'm not, I'm willing to pay for it. I get you you made a point just now that just stated it. I agree, but you can't get me to start a bank full closure on me, because now I'm not performing and they paid all the bills for phase one and I'm telling you, yes, I'll do and work with Bob Shaw and I'm going to work with town council to work it out.
Speaker 6:I just think I understand where you're coming from, but it's a condition of the approval of the whole subdivision is that the cemetery would have access, and at this current time they don't have access. I mean, we could talk about it all night, but I think our best bet would be to go to a vote of. You know if Berkshire would like to make a motion as to whether or not to approve.
Speaker 7:So they're not supposed to stop legal action against you guys. I mean, that's where you're at. It's crazy. No one wants that way. They're going to start my bank will start, in the next 30 days or less, a process of foreclosure. It's a non-performing loan. It's non-performing.
Speaker 6:Again, it's not. We're here looking at a cemetery we're not here looking at.
Speaker 7:But I didn't do it. You're blaming me for a homeowner who bought a piece of property.
Speaker 4:I know.
Speaker 7:I even gave you a letter that the engineer told him and staked it. That's not from me, that's from the engineer.
Speaker 6:I'm not saying that that's right or wrong. I'm just saying that what we're looking at is a fence. I think we can Okay, and then Could we table this until the next meeting, when Bob is here yeah that's what I'm saying. We're going to have to. You know, at this point We've got another week or two, so then we'll move it to the next one.
Speaker 7:You guys can talk, and then we'll have a Look, I'll do whatever it takes for help to get everybody in the town whatever to make this work. Everybody in the town, whatever to make this work. All I'm saying is I can't stop now not building Phase 2, until someone put a fence up on their own private property, mike, yes and I'll do whatever it takes.
Speaker 2:You know I'd be involved in a cemetery, not your lot. With all due respect, this has been going back and forth. You've been invited in a ton of times. I was forgetting what you looked like. This has been going back and forth. You've been invited in a ton of times. I was forgetting what you looked like. This is the first time you've been in like a huge amount of invites, so I don't think.
Speaker 7:I've never got personally invited. I don't know who you sent it to, but I'm just saying I've never got personally. I think going back and forth arguing and threatening lawsuits. It isn't. I don't want to do that route. I'm saying I'm willing to.
Speaker 2:You're threatening the route.
Speaker 7:What am I going to do? Get foreclosed on?
Speaker 2:I'm telling reality, Brian has a reasonable solution, we'll move it to February.
Speaker 6:We'll move it to. February 20th, and then we'll put it on for February 20th that we have one other item here. So what 605? Yeah, we'll put it on for 605 on February 20th, and can my?
Speaker 7:attorney, talk to town council and see what the letter he sent and try to work this out in the meantime. Yeah, I mean you're welcome to work it out with the homeowner, work it out with the homeowner.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's already been notified.
Speaker 6:So, I mean if you come in with a remedy by February 20th then no, I'll work on it.
Speaker 7:I'll have my attorney work with town council and see work with the people and see what we can do, that they agree to move the fence and get something in writing.
Speaker 2:They've written to them several times. You've been in the loop.
Speaker 6:The homeowner came in I'm not going to go back and went to the homeowner's house. It was a long thing. You'd have to watch the minutes. You can probably read the minutes or watch that. Everything's recorded.
Speaker 2:I think you were invited in as well. But regardless, I think Bob had some input. He's not here. This has been ongoing forever and I think Matt's point is it's a condition of approval. The condition's not on the guy you sold it to. The condition of approval is on the developer who is developing the project, so it's on you.
Speaker 7:Did.
Speaker 2:I put the funds up. It's got nothing to do with that, All right. So do I? Let me ask you a question. I'm not going to go back and forth. No, do I have a right to go take the funds up? It's got nothing to do with that, All right. So do I? Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 6:I'm not going to go back and no do I have a right to go take the funds.
Speaker 7:I'm done. You're saying I've got to meet that criteria, so do.
Speaker 2:I have a right. You're done, we're done, we're done speaking. Yeah we're moving on.
Speaker 4:And we're moving on in town council could set up an escrow account so that we have the money and that Mr Antosha or his company is paying the bill for whatever it takes to get the easement.
Speaker 2:I think you're going to go by route of land taking.
Speaker 6:It could be, let's just let the attorneys talk and see if they can resolve it with the homeowner by the next meeting and we'll have an update by then.
Speaker 2:But I think Burke has a good that's an excellent suggestion or a motion if he wants to make it.
Speaker 1:That way we know for the next meeting if. I understand what you say.
Speaker 7:So you want me to get town council and my attorney to talk and put some type of money in an escrow account where the town has it to go? Do all it's right to make sure they have these. I understand what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's fine, I'm willing to do that. Okay, and I'll have. I'm willing to do that. I'll have Bob talk to him and work it out and, at the same time, to keep after the homeowner.
Speaker 6:Try to work this out. Okay, I'll do that. I'll have Bob talk to him tomorrow and stop this. We'll put it on the next meeting, okay, yeah 605.
Speaker 7:Okay, I'll have it stop doing that, all right.
Speaker 2:Okay, I apologize if I don't look so you know, I think kind of the point is it's not on us to see that you had had an approval. It's on you, Chris. I totally understand, and that's we're in a bad position, no matter what.
Speaker 7:I would stand by me, the town or whatever, or whatever it took. Okay, I'm not here to run away and leave problems, so we'll resolve it. If I have to put money in, the National Coastal Town Council can resolve it, I'll do that. Yes, I think that's a great point, okay. Okay, all right, thank you.
Speaker 6:February 20th 605. Okay, february 20th. Make a motion for that.
Speaker 1:Do you want to put it in as a motion? Make that motion.
Speaker 4:I'll second that motion good luck to Marine to figure out the motion do you have a motion to move the yes girl count yes, and to continue it until the 20th and continue it until the 20th.
Speaker 6:Any other discussion hearing none. All in favor? Aye, I'll abstain.
Speaker 7:Thank you, thank you for your time, thank you for trying to come up with ideas. Thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6:I'm saying yes.
Speaker 7:Thank you.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Speaker 2:Back to the meeting 6.05. We have a public hearing. It's our first public hearing. Paramount drive a Greco automotive site plan. So basically the way we're going to run our hearing, as we always do, I, as the chairman, you know, read that we have a public hearing. Our clerk will read the public notice. After the public notice is read, I will look through any correspondence, have any comments, see if any of my board members have any comments. After that I will recognize the applicant. The applicant will present his project, just as a heads up. In this particular case this hasn't gone out for review to a consultant engineer. So you'll present your project. We're not going to make any decisions tonight. We might give you like a warm fuzzy feeling on some stuff you might want and then it'll go back to my board after you do your presentation. If they have any questions and everything goes through the board, then we'll recognize if there's any abutters that want to speak and then we'll go back and volley again. But it goes to Anthony now to read the public notice first.
Speaker 5:The Rainham Planning Board will hold a public hearing on Thursday, february 6, 2025 at 6.05 pm at Rainham Veterans Memorial Town Hall, 558 South Main Street. On application for site plan approval by special permit for the construction of a parts warehouse slash distribution facility with truck manufacturing within a 45,884 square foot building on 0 Paramount Drive, assessors, map 15, lot 176-3G, rainham, massachusetts. Application is submitted by Michael O'Shaughnessy Esquire on behalf of Greco Automotive Group Rainham Mass. A copy of the application and the plan are available for viewing at the town clerk's office and planning board office, 558 South Main Street, rainham. There are unusual scheduled business hours. Any person wishing to be heard or interested in this submittal should appear at the time and place designated.
Speaker 2:Okay, thank you, anthony. There's been a couple correspondence. There's one from John chase, from rain him sent the water without reading the letter. He's basically saying is adequate water to support this proposal. There's one from, you know, rob Carey, superintendent of Rainham Sewer, and it has a few minor things he'd like to see prior to his approval, but he doesn't have any issues with the project as shown. And we have another one from Russ Matarana, and Russ is part of the Rainham Woods Commerce Center Trust Board which has to approve all buildings and anything that's done in the park. He's given his green light on this project. Those are the three correspondence I have. I don't have any real questions until I see the presentation. If anyone else does. Burke, do you have any issues? Brian? No, matthew, good, anthony, good, okay, what I'd like you to do is state your name for the record as a representative or the applicant, and each person that's going to get up on your behalf do the same and present us your proposal good evening mr chairman, all members of the planning board.
Speaker 3:My name is Michael O'Shaughnessy. I'm an attorney who with an office in Minerva Mass and I'm here tonight on behalf of the site approval application for Greco automotive Group. With me tonight is Bob Forbes from Zenith Consulting Engineers and Chris Fernau. He's part of the Greco team. Before you is an application for site approval on a five acre parcel of land. I believe it's the last lot that's part of the Congress park development. As I said, it's approximately five acres in size, four acres of upland. I'll let Bob go into it. I'll just give you the general overview.
Speaker 3:The premise is in the designated development district. We're proposing a 45,000 plus or minus square foot building that's going to be used for project distribution and truck manufacturing. There also may be some service use as well. It's two floors. The main floor will be the service area. There will be a second floor mezzanine style component that will have office space, warehouse space and a break room for employees. We are providing 163 parking spaces on site. That exceeds the requirements under the bylaw. We tripped the site approval requirement because our building is larger than 1,200 square feet.
Speaker 3:I've submitted a brief in support of this application. I won't bore you with the details, but we comply with zoning the random zoning bylaw At this point in time. I think I'd like Bob to give an overview of the project from a site design. By way of background, we have no issues with the letters. We had a meeting with the department heads a few weeks ago. Those points were raised, so we have no issue with that, and we did, prior to filing with this board, meet with the building inspector and I think he's okay with as well. So with that, I would ask Bob to give a presentation. Before Bob gets speaking, though, I would like to hand to the board, I can email this to you.
Speaker 4:Thank you, I do have a question.
Speaker 1:Who are your neighbors, so I know where this is on the street.
Speaker 3:I can tell you about that. Yes, are your neighbors, so I know where this is on the street. Well, we can address it once we do the presentation. Just for clarity, mr chairman. We submitted some architectural plans. I think they're kind of hard to read. These photos are representative of what the building will look like. These are service buildings that have been constructed throughout the United States. I think it gives a better perspective for the board to see what the building is like and what the trust has approved.
Speaker 2:Just to stop for a minute. I know we got some stuff emailed to us on plans. They weren't like the easiest to read, so okay. So this has the locust Berkeley you were looking for, so you can see where it was. The plans in the email didn't have this set with the grading and the drainage and everything else. Yeah, these are the total detailed plans, with the bottom set of plans underneath shows where on paramount drive it is and again, I mean, looks like a fairly straightforward proposal. Like I said, it's going to go off of a review and so you want to state your name for the record. Proceed with your presentation.
Speaker 1:Sure. Thank you, mr Chairman. My name is Bob. Forbes was eitherith Consulting Engineers I'm the engineer who did the site design and, mr Powell, this is Paramount Drive. The Get your Situated lot is highlighted here. This is the Walmart. To the east of us is a company called Corrin USA and apparently they're a medical equipment manufacturing business, and to the west is a two-story brick office building with multiple tenants in it. To locate this, this is the only lot still remaining. So when I drive in it's literally the wooded area between two lines it's almost impossible to miss.
Speaker 1:As Mike stated, we have a 5.6 acre parcel Putting the plants sideways just because I get the north situated up here. So here's Paramount Drive, 5.6 acre parcel. We have wetlands all in the back of the property. We end up with about 4.5 acres of upland after you subtract the weather, the topography on the site, all slopes, as you would imagine, from paramount drive back into the site and down into the wetland system.
Speaker 1:So for the proposed, for the proposal, we're proposing two entrances. So we're proposing our building. It's the white area shown here. It's a footprint of approximately thirty nine thousand three hundred square feet, but, as Michael had mentioned, it's a footprint of approximately 39,300 square feet but, as Michael had mentioned, there's a mezzanine area, so the total square footage of the building ends up being about 45,000, a little bit over 45,800 square feet.
Speaker 1:We're proposing two entrances off of Paramount Drive for better circulation around the site. We do have circulation around the shaded. The gray shaded area is the paved to propose paved area on the site. We were proposing circulation around the entire building. We submitted truck turning diagram to the board and that showed that the fire apparatus can easily make it around. If you look at the dimensions on the plane, we have wide areas in between the building so it easily can make it around in and out and around the building to wherever it needs to go for safety. Approximately 50.4% of the lot is covered by either building or pavement. As Michael mentioned, we show 160, he said 163 parking spots and I just want to point out I'm calling parking slot spot slash vehicle storage spaces. You may notice that there are some that don't they. There is no. There is not a need at this point in time for this building to have as many parking spaces as shown here.
Speaker 4:I would think you would need oversized parking spaces we do.
Speaker 1:Most of them are. I made these ten foot by. You can see some of these are even 30 foot long, so we have extra parking spots. I just want to be perfectly clear to the board that did not your typical parking spots like at Walmart where you back in and back out. We're stacking them here to be able to show that we meet the requirement, but there's literally not a need on the site for for employee or customer parking to what was shown here. So the most mostly going to be packing slash vehicle storage area. Sure, a second it's going to be parking.
Speaker 2:Slash vehicle storage area. If I could interrupt for a second. It's called like Ford Pro. Yes, what exactly is the use in here cars, you can have all cars inside did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to be. Let me let this story. Sean see explain the people from correct.
Speaker 3:Sure, this, this project will be doing some parts warehousing for the trucks in inside the building we will have. It's called light truck manufacturer Chris. They could explain it. It's basically from the chassis update. It customized the trucks and all that other stuff and, as I mentioned earlier on, there's some garage space inside so there may be some service component as well as an accessory to the main use of the main use of building, similar to what was approved across the street. I think it's ATG. It's similar to what was being operated over there so it's not a car lot.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no sales no it's gonna be any sales on this site, right, just?
Speaker 6:repair and building trucks correct building the rocks? Yes, chassis okay we've interrupted you.
Speaker 4:I'm used to it westerly access drive is close to the neighbors lot line. Where is their driveway? How close? Will you do that you can?
Speaker 1:actually see it here. It's right within this radius, right here, so they're right next to each other. Both of them extend just just shy of the property line of perpendicular extension of the property line perpendicular extension of the property line, so you go over some more of the site. We have a dumpster pad transformer showing here, dumpster pad showing in this location, so we wanted to get it back off the street as fast as we can and still make it usable for utilities, the utilities for water. There's a water main, obviously, in Paramount Drive. Fortunately it's on our side of the road. It's just off the edge of the pavement on our side.
Speaker 1:We had an excellent meeting. The interdepartmental meeting that that mr I free set up was excellent. I get to discuss the everything that was in the letters that the chairman read in earlier. We discussed that thoroughly at that meeting. So we have no problem with anything that they're asking for, either the water or the sewer department. Our problem is right now.
Speaker 1:We discussed the size of this. There's going to be water department. Let me know that there's going to have to be two water department. Let me know that there's going to have to be two. The domestic and the fire fire lines come off the road and into the building. He said they're gonna have to be two separate lines, so in other words, we can't bring one in and branch off of it, we need to bring two right out to the street. The problem we have that I can't give them full information on that yet because we don't know. We don't have the mechanical, mechanical design of the building yet, so we don't know what the needs are going to be for the fire suppression line of domestic line. That's pretty much that's going to be over here. We do have to move a hydrant that we also discussed. So we discussed all those details about how that's going to be done.
Speaker 1:There's no problem that's a little excuse me that's a little beyond, yeah, yeah just want to let you know we have full agreement with what they're asking us to do as far as the it's going to be on sanitary sewer. We had there supposedly left stubs on all the properties. The sewer stuff is on supposedly on this side there are no as builds for the roadway anyway, so you can camera the line. That's what we're gonna do when I need to do that over and have to actually go out there with a back up figure out. So what about cameras? Yeah, probably. So that that's what we'll do here. We're going to tie in somewhere over here.
Speaker 1:We don't know elevation or location of that at this point, but again, everything in the letter. We are in commitment with it's. As far as the drainage goes, like I said, everything, everything pitches from the front, from the roadway back into the webbing system back here. Our understanding is that in other projects I've worked on in Random Woods, the entire Random Woods project was designed for stormwater management, for flood control, for rain and blind control off the site.
Speaker 2:Just if I could quickly. This is going to have to go to gpi for review and I'd encourage you to deal directly with them and because sid tends to get a little overly zealous with details sometimes he's very engineer, but this particular project, like you were saying, this whole entire paramount had a control point for drainage down on Hill Street and that's what it was all based on. There's been issues where the volume was increased even though the peak was controlled and all that. Like you used to do, you have to just manage the peak. So they try to each site, try to encourage some attention. Yeah, you know you're not obliged to it, but explain that to the review engineers you're doing. This is probably the first morning son in paramount, okay, and so that's between the two years. But you know Bob can help. You get in contact with him and if he has any questions you can always call me because I'm pretty well versed on the drainage and how this was a little bit thanks.
Speaker 1:Thank you appreciate that. But just real quick we bring everything back. We put everything goes into catch basins for your breath, piping through the site site through water quality unit. Then we have an infiltration basin back here which we're using to meet the recharge requirement. And what quality volume? We doubt we get more than double quality. So we do. We are reducing some of the rated runoff with that infiltration basin. So it's the key components and just runoff which is considered clean, directly into a spurge of spillway and go away and out into the wetlands, since it doesn't need to be controllable or no water quality concerns. So that's pretty much it. Does it get any questions that we have?
Speaker 2:It's a pretty straightforward project. Before I pass it to the other board members, typically if there's waivers involved, we have them listed on the front sheet of the plan involved. We have them listed on the front sheet of the plan, and so if you have any, you want to just quickly tell us what they are to see. If anyone after you say them, if I have any issues, I'll bring it up and I'll ask any of the board members. I'm not going to vote on anything, but just so you get an idea of whether we're fine with everything Before we proceed with that, those to Sid. It comes back with a clean bill of health. Then you do that. After I do the waivers, I'll see if there's anyone in the audience that has any issues, questions anything on this as well, mr Chairman.
Speaker 3:I apologize, I don't have my waiver list with me, but we did submit a list of waivers. It really related to the implementation of the regulations, the site plan approval regulations. It wasn't anything per se as far as dimensional relief or anything like that. As I mentioned before, we had satisfied the parking Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a copy here. Does everyone have a copy of this requested waiver? You guys have one here, I do. That was my call. I have yours, Okay, so I must have them somewhere. Okay, I'll quickly go through them and if anyone has an issue, pipe up. Otherwise I'll assume that none of you have an issue. Okay, first was locus map scale. They want a different scale than what we spec out Zoning bylaws. They want a waiver to show six foot trunk diameter of graded measured trees where we'd have, I think you mean six inch trunk diameter. So a waiver of showing certain diameter trees, A waiver for the traffic impact is. This thing was all gone through MEPA and traffic and everything was implemented when they first did the development Three-foot-wide landscape building along the foundation walls, not showing one 25-foot undisturbed natural buffer from wetland, that's really Concom's issue.
Speaker 2:Parking spots containing 10 or more spaces to have, like the islands and plantings, that's a snowplower's nightmare. 25-foot buffer screen, which in this development they typically have it buffered between lots because they're not budding like a residential or different type of zone. Side slopes on the detention base and the B3 to 1 horizontal to vertical Pocket lots to include median strips. He doesn't want to include median strips. He doesn't want to have median strips. One curb cut for street frontage, he wants to have the two curb cuts Way of a requirement of that curbing shall not be bituminous concrete, so he must have granite. Curbing at the entrance is gravity concrete around the building, bollards along the sides of the building. There's no packing along the sides of the building. What I see in the site plants. That's the list of waivers. Thanks, Anthony.
Speaker 4:I didn't look at the plan, but the bollards where the entrances, where the sidewalks are yeah, we block in this section here as with proposal, we're not proposing any sidewalks.
Speaker 1:It's not like a retail establishment. We are proposing paving right up to the building. So there's no like sidewalk along the front of the building.
Speaker 6:Yeah, you have glass doors, though, right in the front.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like this proposed plan that you sent.
Speaker 6:Yes, you have these glass doors, though, right in the front.
Speaker 5:These are, yeah, like this proposed plan that you sent.
Speaker 6:Yes, you have these glass doors. Yeah, you know it would be. I understand you're not gonna have like customers typically. Oh, are you asking? Yeah yeah, I just think bollards there just I've seen too many cars crash through the front vestibule areas here. Okay, so I think just, and you're not going to do. I think you said that you were waving this grass strip here. Yes, so it would just go paving straight up to the building. Yes, yeah, it would be my only request to have ballers in front of that glass entry and again.
Speaker 2:That was the first look the bullets had at the waivers, so there's been. There'll be no vote on anything. So no, I understood.
Speaker 5:So you could come up again will there be any break in the median on paramount? No, no, just thinking about inside we're not proposing to do.
Speaker 1:We were hoping to utilize the stubs that were left for us for utilities, but they're not adequate. So for water we're going to have to cut into the pavement.
Speaker 6:That's the only point, the only spot we're going to touch the road, so you can only get into it from the one side of the road exactly yeah, that was my question. I was gonna say if it lines up, because they have those breaks in paramount drive between traffic.
Speaker 2:I didn't know if one of them happened to line up nicely with that, unfortunately nobody on the board has anything further at this time, like to see if there's anybody in the audience wants to talk about the project, as me questions seeing none. If no one on the board has any more to offer, I would suggest we continue this and give it time to get together with the engineer. I don't think it's going to be a big review. Feel free to talk directly to them so it speeds up the process. And also I'd like to know what you think you need for time. Our upcoming meeting is on February 20th and March 6th. Did they get the letters from the water and sewer?
Speaker 3:Yes, we received those today. Mr Chairman, if I may, could we ask for a continuance to your next meeting? I don't expect that we'll have the answer to this review by then, but we'd like to kind of keep this moving along.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whatever you want, yeah, and if we have to request a continuance.
Speaker 3:I think we can do that at that time.
Speaker 2:Okay, right now we have a 6 o'clock. Well, it actually doesn't say kind of 6.05.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's probably 6 o 1 and 6 o 5, so we could be like 6 10 yeah so 6 10 we have a time to act of March 16, so we don't need an extension now, but we should keep that in mind. We don't't have much time. We probably will not have the engineers report back.
Speaker 2:Okay, If we need to grant an extension. Yeah, I mean if you're not ready for the 20th. But yeah, I understand you want to get put on and just for the record, I'm actually going away and going to miss next two meetings. So you're gonna have a shorter board and Matt will chair those meetings. I may attend remotely, but that will be pretty much the four members, and so you know, suggesting a contact board direct to get the ball rolling. He knows that this has to go to review.
Speaker 4:He's ready to send it to it, yeah and I make a motion that we send it to refer review yeah, I'll second that motion.
Speaker 2:Any discussion on that, all in favor? Aye, okay, so I guess I'd entertain a motion to continue it to.
Speaker 3:February 20th at 610. Second it Discussion.
Speaker 1:All in favor.
Speaker 2:Aye, okay, well, you know what you've got to do. Good luck, boys. Thank you very much. Thank you have a good night. This is big. The Paramount's done. This will make it done. Calcathia would be proud. Okay, we had invoices and bills I passed around. We didn't get invoiced bills down here, oh, okay, so I can throw that in the Marines office if it's open. We're not going to get a planning coordinator update. I don't think we have any plans to be signed.
Speaker 5:Is there a circuit update? No, nothing major, just one of some future projects that could be considerations.
Speaker 2:Okay, the old business, new business that Bob had given me and I went over with him earlier was the kind of as-built of what's there now at Massasoit and Greyhound. He was looking for a red line plan too, right yeah, and it was along with some of the modifications we did. But he wanted to get a red line because it would be easier to read. It had the modifications like in black and anything else in red. I don't know if we were supposed to motion for any kind of temporary anything.
Speaker 1:I can say table that until the next meeting, when Bob is here. I think we were planning on doing a site visit too.
Speaker 6:Yeah, because it's not.
Speaker 2:They don't have sewer yet. They're still working on it. Because I didn't the way he explained it to me. It was just an Asbill, almost for review. He didn't really ask for anything and I don't see a letter requesting anything.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 5:When I talked to him he said that someone might be here for that, but they're not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's all. That's all I heard on that. I'm not sure it's different. So I guess it's not even on the agenda. So we really kind of leave it at the table and see if they want to come back with the red line plan on the 20th. Maybe we'll wait until Bob knows to ask him that he probably already has. So I guess that's about it. I don't really see anything else. So I guess I'd entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved Seconded. All in favor? Aye, Okay.