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Planning Board 06/10/2025
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Take a front-row seat at the Raynham Planning Board meeting where critical decisions about community development unfold in real-time. This episode captures the fascinating dynamics between developers, town officials, and concerned residents as they navigate the approval process for East Pine Estates, a proposed 15-lot subdivision.
When developer Long Build Homes presents their plans, we witness the meticulous scrutiny applied to even the smallest details—from drainage calculations to sidewalk materials. The town's review engineer has identified 102 comments requiring attention, highlighting the thoroughness behind development approvals that most citizens never see. But technical specifications quickly give way to more profound community concerns when a resident steps forward to question whether the area's infrastructure—particularly a one-lane bridge—can support the influx of nearly 100 new homes from multiple developments.
"If that bridge goes, what's the plan?" the resident asks, cutting to the heart of how growth impacts existing neighborhoods. The ensuing discussion reveals the delicate balance planning boards must strike between enabling development and protecting community interests. Meanwhile, small but consequential decisions about right-of-way widths and sidewalk specifications demonstrate how technical details shape neighborhood character and fiscal responsibility.
Beyond the main hearing, we observe the board handling Form A plans that reflect the ongoing maintenance of previous developments—land swaps, drainage adjustments, and the creation of a parcel for a sewer pump station. Each decision, though seemingly minor, contributes to the intricate tapestry of community planning.
Whether you're interested in real estate development, local governance, or simply curious about how your own community evolves, this episode offers valuable insights into the forces shaping our built environment. Subscribe now to continue learning about the intersection of planning, politics, and community in future episodes.
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Okay, we're on the air. Rainham Planning Board, june 5th 2025, 6 o'clock. You can see this broadcast live on Rainham Comcast, channel 98, or Verizon Channel 34. I'm Chris Gallagher. I'm the chairman. To my left is Brian Oldfield. A planning board member To my left would have been Bert Fountain. He's not feeling well but he's not going to be in tonight. He's vice chairman. To my right, immediate right is Anthony Nicoli. He's a clerk. To his right is Pam Antone. She's our servant rep.
Speaker 1:Typically, what I do at every meeting is like Robert's Rules of Water kind of Robert Newton On everything, every agenda item, public hearings, form A, and he missed other business. I start and talk about it. Any correspondence I read in and then I'm done, putting my two cents in. I go to each board member individually and I call them by name and they get to speak, and then I would go in case of a public hearing. I go to the applicant or his representative to present their project. During that time no one can speak, unless you know I have comments. Then, once they're done with their presentation, I go to each board member individually, back to the applicant and then, when that's done and during that time no one can get up and interrupt or anything like that. Anyone wants to speak? They can raise their hand. Then at that time I turn it over to public input to the public. Wants to speak? They can raise their hand. Then at that time I turn it over to public input. Anyone from the public who wants to speak, they can raise their hand. I will recognize everybody. Everyone will get a chance to speak if they want to, but sometimes you'll have to be patient.
Speaker 1:So first on the agenda we have the minutes of May 1st 2025. Generally. Burke reviews them. He's out. We continue these from last time. I've read them, I don't know if anyone else's. You guys have all had a chance to read them if anyone wants to make a motion to approve them for discussion, or if they don't wait for her that's very right, okay, so I'll make the motion that we read enough the minutes on May 1st approval and approval.
Speaker 1:Second okay, does anyone have any discussion here? None hearing, none. All in favor. Aye, we have to wait till 6 o 5 east by the states. We have invoices and bills going around. Do you have a quick update on anything, bob?
Speaker 4:Or is it you want to wait? I can stop and then I can switch later, if you would. Basically, I just wanted to bring you up to speed on a couple of meetings I've had with some developers. There is some activity still around town with people interested in developing a few commercial sites. One of the sites is a site owned by Doug King. He's looking to do a profit-helps to 55 and over which would require zoning change. He wants to be presented to the selectmen of the planning board. I have a package. I just got it about a week ago before I was on vacation. I'm gonna distribute it to you. It involves a substantial zoning change, but apparently it was a deal that was put together back in the Randy Blocker days and he would like us to revisit it. So, just bringing that to your attention when is that located? It's off South Street East. Where is he in the house? Yeah, located it's off the south street east. And where is the house voting project? It involves him donating about 80 acres of uh, floodplain river front land. But uh, I'm still putting the particulars together. I will share it with you and the selector when I get it off.
Speaker 4:Other than that, we had some vacancies in town. Two of the vacancies looks like they've been filled. The potty stall looks like it's going to be O'Reilly's Auto Pots. We'll be in front of the planning board in the next few months. Big lots it looks like it's going to be a tractor supply, so that will probably be in front of us also. And then I had a meeting with a developing team who wants to build a 125 room hotel in Paramount Drive Park. So those are a few things that are going on that will affect the future, okay okay, well, with with Sam, do you have anything from uh serpent update um not really.
Speaker 2:We have a meeting um monday, the 16th, um just before the visitation in july for that's the plan, okay, okay, um, we're at 605 now, so we have a public hearing the east pine estates.
Speaker 1:This is the first hearing on east pine estates, so I'll have anthony read in a public hearing. The East Pine Estates.
Speaker 6:This is the first hearing on East Pine Estates, so I'll have Anthony read in the public hearing notice in accordance with provisions of Massachusetts general law, chapter 40 a, 41 section 81-t and 81-e, the Rainham Planning Board will hold a public hearing on Thursday, may 15th 2025 at 6 o'clock at Rainham Veterans Memorial Terminal by the 8th and South Main Street, on application for approval of a definitive plan submitted by East Pine Estates LLC, robert F Long, for property owned by Dennis J Carney, trustee of the Carney Pine Estate County, pine Street Trust, rainham, that's for East Pine Estates, 15 proposed lots on 21.92 acres of land on a portion of lot 63 and lot 67, assessment 15 of Pine Street. Rainham Plan is prepared by W Engineering LLC. Thought to be nice. Any person wishing to be heard or interested in the proposed plan should appear at the time and place designated. A copy of the plan and application may be viewed in full at Rainham Planning Board or Town Clerk's office at Rainham Town Hall.
Speaker 6:Before we begin I am Ed Butter so I'll need you to keep this open.
Speaker 1:I'll stay at the same thing. Okay, we have a few correspondence. We have Longbelt Homes. We have a few correspondence. Um, we have long built homes, uh, correspondence, uh, for requested waivers. We're probably not going to really get into them tonight. That's something that will come towards the end, I think. I think, if there's any. I think, if there's any, I mean, these are all cited in the review letter that's coming up, but a lot of them are really not too substantial. A lot of it's some of the stuff that we have that certain scales and legends and this type of thing that generally have waived in the past. But there's some there we want to talk about, but I don't think we're going to talk about them now or probably tonight. We also have a letter from john chase, bringing him center water superintendent. He had a few comments that I'm sure that you guys haven't done. We can manage your copies, but he doesn't have anything too overwhelming. In other words, we usually keep water and sewer. In other words, we usually keep water and sewer to themselves. We don't really comment, even though I, review engineer, did have some comments, but I think they were related to comments you received from both Rob Carey from the sewer department and John Chase from the water department, and that's their utility. We don't step on any toes for that.
Speaker 1:It seems like a relatively straightforward design. But the plans you must have been tired of it because there's a hundred and two comments. So I don't see us taking any kind of action for a bid on this. A lot of them are. I think you're drafting it maybe. I think there's a lot of kind of drafting errors. One thing I did notice is the lot closure. There's something that wanted to get waived. Looking at the drafting errors, I think it might behoove us to do like closures. It's not a big deal but I think some of your errors and drafting instead of mathematics, as you get a few lots that don't have the correct frontage and that's generally a draftsman doing the AutoCAD looking. So the lines may or may not touch, but there's a lot of cleanup work to do on the plan itself and, like I said, there's 102 comments.
Speaker 1:So we generally allow the engineer to deal direct with our review engineer. I know there was a bit of a lag on that because Sid Cashy from GPI wasn't sure. He's relatively new, wasn't sure of the procedure and I told me to you know, deal directly with you to hammer all this out and this 100 comments. We wanted to come back with maybe 10. So I think tonight's probably going to be a presentation and if there's anything you think that's really crucial to ask for, that can't wait, then that's okay. But I think it'll just be basically a presentation of what you have in front of us. I know there's also some email correspondence which I think we should have printed out in the package. Norman Sterban, I was superintendent. Rob Carey, some of this was through email and should come out. You know the package, so it stays in public record. You'll have to address their comments as well, so you got a little bit of work to do it from you, but that's all I got to say. Right now, brian, any comments? Looking over some of the files from with the sidewalk being gravel I do I'd like to see it be
Speaker 1:paved, I don't think the taxpayers should pay to have it done later. You know, on the gravel sidewalk it isn't paved, it's gravel.
Speaker 1:That's what I was told. I think there's a plan. From what I understand through the email correspondence, which I don't have, I know there's been some talk out there with the highway department and I think there's some sort of plan for Pine Street which we don't have as part of the package rush. We should have so, when you come back in, whatever gets hammered out with the highway sewer water for pine street itself. We should have that, a copy of whatever plan you're doing, for the record. Um, okay, I think that's what brian's talking about. Yes, I think pine street. Yeah, and so we don't know.
Speaker 1:Yes, we don't know so get us something.
Speaker 7:I'll address that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, please thank you, but anything else, right? No, actually about 300 feet. Call the ethics board. Call the ethics board, you're gonna get away uh pan, you have anything okay?
Speaker 7:uh, this is evan watson. State your name and give us your presentation. Seven watts fw engineering, representing the africans long build homes. With me is the casting nitty. Vice president of development and in host council.
Speaker 7:Just just to address a couple of the things that came up during the introduction, if we could get a copy of the correspondence that came through from John and the other emails. I don't think we received those. I did get Norm's letter but maybe I won't send this one. As far as the improvements the pine street goes, all those the the Pine Street improvements were all being part of the project across the street. So the cross section that was presented on that design was presented that way and I believe it was re-appointed as part of the plan set.
Speaker 7:So by this board of boardsmen, we'll dig it up and take a look at it but these plants that we're presenting here, um, don't include those improvements, so, um, but if I think I'll go through uh, kind of what we're looking to do here and then we'll have some, um, like chris said, have going through, like Chris said, have gone through not all 102 comments, but we do have a couple of questions on just a few comments that I'd like clarification on the board before I update the plans. And obviously, if there's any other updates to the plan that the board would like to see, I'll make sure to incorporate that at the same time.
Speaker 1:Just to reiterate any improvements on Pine Street. I'd like to be part of the definitive plan set. When you have your plan for Pine Street, whatever it is, just make it a plan, a sheet in this plan set. So when we approve it, we're proving it with that plan.
Speaker 7:So this is a graphic. It's a relatively recent aerial photograph. I'm sorry, it's tough. No, that's okay, all right. North is actually this way, and on the bottom of the page here you see West Pine State. So this was permitted. It was one of our leila estates that long built, actually purchased it and renamed it west pine states and if you go up there today you can actually see that it's all paved all through here.
Speaker 7:There's a little bypass while they're working on the improvements in pine street. That was permitted as part of this and it shouldn't be too much longer maybe two weeks maybe before they're all squared away here and have everything all paved and ready to go. The next thing that we did when we were in this area is we came in for Form A and we created 10 Form A lots across here and a few of them actually had sewer and water, so they were able to construct a model home and another home here on Pine Street and now the remaining of the lot here. This is East Pine Estates and this is in what was used. It was some earth removal done. It might have gone a little deeper than expected, but we're able to make this all work and have a nice plan for you.
Speaker 7:And just to again to refresh our memory, we were here before the board I think it was in February of 2024 to discuss different possibilities for the development of this project, and it was the consensus of this board that it would be best to do a conventional subdivision. So we came in with two roads and totally 25 months, and if you take a look at the proposed plan. It's very similar to what we talked about before. The locations of the entrances are the same, but we were able to make a nice bend in this road and then the southernmost road with a little swing in it. So it's not just a straight road with houses on either side to give it a little bit of character. The first few plans are the definitive subdivision plans which create the lots. There's a few mistakes, nothing, nothing too substantial. It's, as he correctly said, mostly just labeling atlas, when I could speak to this plan.
Speaker 7:This is the overall grading drainage plan. So we can start on the north road, which is that part, and it's directly across the street from Spruce Street. This is GD1. Okay, okay, so we lined up the intersection perfectly, across from the newly paved road here and we come into a short subdivision road. It's about 750 feet long with a cul-de-sac at the end. We have one, two, three, four, five, six lots and then so most road.
Speaker 7:It meets the distance requirement for the intersection of Sydney. Don't run here and that comes in. It's about 1200 feet. It doesn't have that stationing on this plant. I can get to the remainder of the lots of air and what we're doing for drainage is all the drainage is basically going to be collected through a piping network and brought to this infiltration basin in the back. I just recently did some test bits out there last week and it confirms that the soils are the same, consistent with the rest of the gravel pit, which is extremely well draining nice, you know different variations of sand, so we should not see any trouble in that detention basin. We'll add the details for the underdra drains and the widths and things as part of the required. Some visuals Now, we were talking about Pine Street a little bit Just to back up a second.
Speaker 1:This is a grading plan, but it doesn't have any number on any of the contours yeah this is the overall grading plan we have. I think that was maybe since comments in mind that the labeling is. You know, a lot of stuff is labeled.
Speaker 7:Yes, I have to add some more existing contours on the resuming to these sheets, and on this one I mean you could do five footers okay, sorry, no problem.
Speaker 7:So on the next sheet it's a little bit zoomed in a at the end of the company. No, okay, sorry, no problem. So on the next sheet it's a little bit zoomed in, a little bit better, and so you can see, as part of the improvements to get West Pine States to work. We actually had to lower Pine Street by about eight or nine feet at the high point, because Pine Street I think back when I first got my license was probably still a dirt road. You know it's paved on that long ago and it was just a path that followed the up and down topography through the right of way, and so we got to this point.
Speaker 7:The vertical geometry of Pine Street wasn't great. It was steep, it didn't have very good vertical curves and the sewer would have ended up being about 30 feet down. So we started lowering Pine Street from about here all the way over to about here. So this portion of pine street is in the process of being lowered right now and they're actually reconstructing pine street all the way through full depth construction to the end, and with that we've lowered this intersection. We come in at the same grade. We come down to a little bit. This. This drainage section right here will probably be reduced in size after I ran the numbers and sketched out a little blotter just in case. And then everything flows back here. We were able to keep a decent buffer in the back to protect from 495, like we talked about Over here where it gets. There's not really that many trees in here. We'll be able to add some gridding in here and do some plantings for that lot there.
Speaker 1:Just a question on Pine Street improvements the sewer that's extended water and whatnot. Does that get to the Bullocks property? It?
Speaker 7:actually comes out of the ground before it gets the Bullocks property. So what we've done? The water loops all the way around from the end this graphic. They have water and they have sewer. They have the pump system, unfortunately, yeah, so the lines are already tied into the pavement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all tied in To both of the yeah.
Speaker 7:There's a service Both of the services.
Speaker 5:Both of them are.
Speaker 7:Yeah, two of their locks, they put the pump systems. There's a service here for the sewer and water. Thank you, sir, and see your comments too. Is the water is actually looped all the way around? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just think it would be a shame to pay if that wasn't. No, no, right yeah.
Speaker 7:They had no problem. So here's the next entrance, which is lovely flame. It wasn't that big McRae issue here at the pine street at the intersection. So we're coming in off the intersection. But what we were able to do under request from norm, we added some drainage in here and we put a catch basin right here at the intersection and one across the street on Pine Street, where there is no drainage in Pine Street right now. So this is the high point of Pine Street. So it's only this small section that needs to get in there and that would actually be brought into our detention basin. There is a wetland on the property. It's on the far south side, but none of the work to accommodate the actual subdivision is within any regulated areas. So we won't have to go to conservation for the subdivision, just the individual lots have work within the 100 square miles.
Speaker 1:And we've got no rent for that. We do, yes.
Speaker 7:And then we get to the end of the road. We do end up having to fill the end of the cul-de-sac that that's a part of here is relatively interesting, mounted up and down, it drops off quick and it's very, very flat here, part of probably a historic flood zone of the taunton river where it would come up and launch we're not in the flood zone now, but that's why it's so flat and that's also why we have the detention basin here, because the soils in here weren't that great.
Speaker 7:So we have a detention basin. I have the water right now coming to the end of the east cul-de-sac with a hydrant. I think there was a comment I know from sid to consider looping. We'll obviously talk to john chase about that. And for the sewer we were able to bring the sewer to serve gravity sewer to the majority of the lots not all of them, unfortunately, that's just six that are'll get low pressure Right yeah so it's the end through here.
Speaker 7:so one, two, three, four, five, six, maybe seven. Yeah, and we did meet with Rob early on about their appetite for having all sewer, you know grinder pumps, and they definitely want to have as many on gravity as possible. And you can see we have a lot of grading here on the site but it works out pretty good.
Speaker 7:It's definitely a lot of earthwork, but as we move things across the site we'll fill this big hole in. As we lower Pine Street, they're bringing the material in to the low-lying areas and rolling and compacting it as they go. So that work is going on. Now it's actually coming in pretty fast.
Speaker 1:I think we're definitely going to have to have somebody out there, because you're going to have days and days and days of bulldozer time and in some of these roads you have 10 to 12 feet of fill, which is pretty outrageous generally, and we're going to have to have somebody out there to see you compact and everything.
Speaker 7:It's definitely being compacted. They have a roller on site that's going through after every push of the basically following the bull. Those are right behind.
Speaker 1:But I think part of it too is we're gonna, because I've had this experience before. I'm sure, bob, you remember some of the Like Nelson property over there, bridgewater and stuff where they fill to the edge of the road and Not laterally out. So we're probably going of the road and not laterally out. So we're probably going to pick a certain distance laterally out that you're going to have to carry a grade, because my years of experience of watching roads getting built and designed, we've had some where they stop their slope and back of your Cape Cod Gurm a sidewalk and you end up losing part of the road. So you're going to have to compact it out, probably at least to the width of the 50-foot right-of-way and not even walk. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 7:Yeah anywhere that they're filling, they're following the dosing of the rolling.
Speaker 1:Because we also have home-sized one in there as well.
Speaker 7:Oh, I know, know that, but you're going to have to probably go substantial distance just so you don't have, you know, have to bring a stencil to your bank. Yeah, agreed. Um, we have the cross section. I mean, I'm sorry, the roadway pro plan profiles here and this is where you can see. You know, at pine street, we're cutting. You know this amount here. You know, at Pine Street, we're cutting. You know this amount here. And then, as we get into the pit, we're going to fill this amount here. So and then, but then by the time we get to the end of the road it more or less matches this tall line here on this profile.
Speaker 7:There's a large pile there. That's why this shows up. That's the topsoil, what they call the harboring layer that's stored on site.
Speaker 7:And you can see that the roadway is designed so that only a very small amount pitches towards Pine Street in both cases. So all of the drainage for both of these roads will be taken care of internally, but not shedding anything into pine street and causing the need for more drainage. Yeah, exactly, pulling some off too. These are the roadway details. These are the roadway details, which are basically the same details that we used across the street. They come straight out of the Rainham details section. And there is one thing that I do want to talk to you guys about. On these plans I show a 50 foot right of way because the requirement these roads in rain hands they have 50 foot right of way.
Speaker 7:So in here this is 50 feet wide and I want to do that to demonstrate that we can get the number of lots with the 50-foot right-of-way minus the one foot of frontage on the lot.
Speaker 7:There's plenty of frontage to get all those lots in the area. So what we did across the street, as we asked for a waiver to reduce to 40 foot right of way, and the reason for that is we're doing a sidewalk on one side and we have a granite curb, a grass strip. On the other side we have a Cape Cod berm. So if this was a 50-foot right-of-way, when the utility company comes in to install the, you know TMLP comes in and puts the transformers we have underground electric and we put in the, you know TMLP comes in and puts the transformers underground electric and we put in the street trees. They end up, you know, 13, 15, 18 feet away from the edge of the road and they're in everybody's front yard.
Speaker 7:So what we did Goldfinch, bayberry and now those were conservation subdivisions, but we did the same thing for West Pine States is we used this cross section here a 40-foot runaway, and that way the homeowners more or less understand. Okay, from the back of the sidewalk I'm three feet away from the sidewalk and on the non-sidewalk side I'm two feet off the back of the gate climb bar.
Speaker 1:So it just makes it a little more comfortable forP, when they come in to do their transformer pads and do their design that they hand you, they take your locked corner and they put your pads behind your locked corner. Yep, so with a 40-foot right-of-way they're going to be five feet closer to the road, whereas in a 50-foot right-of-way they're going to be five feet closer to the road, whereas in a 50 foot right away they're going to be five feet away. So when you're right away, has the transformer like eight foot off your sidewalk. Instead it's going to be 13 feet more into their front yard.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it doesn't look like it's part of the road, it looks like it's part of everybody's road. And the same thing goes with the street trees as well, because, um, I know the dpw doesn't like to have the street trees in the right of way. So when you now you put the street trees and they're no longer street trees and they won't like the front yard trees, and homeowners tend to say, well, I don't like the tree in my front yard, they cut it down.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that's a logical reason. Other than that, I would normally wave right away with you know what's going to win it, but I could see that that almost in the future that was transforming 15 feet off the road into the yard, and look ridiculous and then the other thing that we did is, I believe that they couldn't just put it the right way? Ah right, they won't. They know that three projects that have a time, they put it behind the bottom.
Speaker 7:The other thing with this cross section is, I believe in the regs that asks for or allows for two 11 foot lanes one for Cape Cod berm and the six inch grant curve. When we were permanent Lila States, there was some concern from the board after they saw a few of the other projects with a 22 foot wide travel width that 24 foot would be better. So even though we reduced the right-of-way width, we've increased the width of the roads 24 feet, which is a full width road. That's gonna be done, got it's got a plus one for the key fiber and that's the same cross-section that they're doing for a pine street is 24 people. They just don't keep Clive Burma on both sides but 24 feet down the road.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's about it. I was going to see if anyone on the board had comments. Then if you had anything else like yeah.
Speaker 7:I just had a couple of questions on SIDS letter, but I would be happy to take input from the board first, what were your questions on sith's letter?
Speaker 1:give me numbers. Item number 46.
Speaker 7:and I actually had the opportunity to meet with norman sid to talk about this a little bit, had the opportunity to meet with more and said to talk about this a little bit. We talked about pine street is getting improved, basically from sitting all the way down to the end. As part of West Pine states, these kind of states will come off of that section of the roadway and we'll have a new intersection here on a section of pine tree that was not approved, so that would be on a separate sheet that we asked.
Speaker 7:Yes, so they asked us they asked us to improve just to basically build the pavement and make it the 24 foot wide road with key programs and add drainage like we had shown on the plan. So I just wanted to put that out there that we work together with Norm on that. He was happy about basically doing some pavement improvements in this section. It doesn't require any elevation change or full depth replacement or anything like that. Like I said, before.
Speaker 1:We'd like to see a sheet that accompanies the plan and show us the improvements. We'd like to see a letter from Norman that says I looked at this sheet this date and I'm okay with it and really it's going to be his road. So, uh, you see what he's satisfied with as far as the improvements go, and then the rest is stuff. There's a lot of little fitting stuff that I really want to go through.
Speaker 7:No, there's something about the water line. Um, I did look at their reds. We'll meet with them, is fine. You made a comment. 74 is about the right-of-way which I just talked about, and that was it. There was only three.
Speaker 1:I told you there wasn't 13. You know you've got a lot of work to do here. What you've got to do, and feel free to contact direct set of beings with them if you have to.
Speaker 7:Yeah, the good news is there's no comment in here that's spinning off like a major design change or anything of that nature. It's just a little bit of cleanup on the plans and showing some more site detail on the range.
Speaker 1:I mean your design's straightforward the lots meet the rules, the roads and the parades meet the rules. It's just you know the nitpicking of design from peer review you're gonna get, and I look through the plans and you know there's a lot of stuff that needs to be addressed. It's not the major, but I mean. So you gotta bring your plans up, but I don't see any big thing on your plan, the last hour being the most important thing is the mind stream improvements. That's what you're going to do there. I'm going to ask the board members individually if they've got any other issues. Brian, at this moment, can got any other issues. Brian, at this moment, can't talk to you. No, pam, no, okay, so I guess you know what you got to do.
Speaker 7:Jimmy, do you live over there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm all nice.
Speaker 1:You don't have anything to add. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3:Okay, just state your name all right, my persona and one place. We're on the corner recording. My main concern is so you get the bridge deal with one lane. Right now You've got a weight capacity of 36 tons on one lane. You've got a brand new bridge over on White Street that only takes 30 tons for two vehicles at a time. You're talking about putting a 24-foot street down there. What are they going to do with the bridge? There's only one access in there.
Speaker 1:I don't know the status of it, but there's a I believe. I don't know you could probably enlighten me. I know they were going to plan on rebuilding that bridge how many houses are you talking on kaiji side? This site here would be a total of uh so 25, okay, well, oh 25 plus the 10 watch 35, oh no, 25 minutes, when that's hand loose 10 to 15 the letter original. Okay, it is. Yeah, it's 15 plus the town center on those that those are already done. Okay, so on this, project?
Speaker 3:okay. So then you guys, are you doing the new development across the street to this? Yes, okay. So you got 57 houses there, 20 this 20, 27, 27 and 25, 52, and then plus the other development, it's already built this door right over there, right?
Speaker 3:so you know you're talking between Doe Run and them two. You're talking almost 100 houses. An average house has two cars. You've got 200 cars going back and forth on a road that's only capable of one car at a time. On a bridge that's who knows how old. Now if that bridge goes, what's the plan? How would you do to repair the bridge?
Speaker 3:We had that weekend when they put the pipe across. It was just a two night over the weekend when the miller went in and put that pipe across. Yeah, and then you were talking about also called compact the dirt. I got a drainage in front of my house. There's never been a burp around it. The drainage wherever they dug, even down toward the way when they put in the sewer, goes like this you can see right where they put it. It's not back down. And, plus, even when diet construction did it back in the mid 90s, you can still see that roads been disprepared. We're always told it was going to be replaced. Now we're adding more houses, more cars on a dead-end street. Is there any code that says how many houses are allowed on a dead-end street?
Speaker 1:Well, it's an existing town way, like when they're doing a development off it, we can regulate the dead end Street. How much can go on it? If it's an existing town way, that's unfortunate, but it's case law that we can't regulate the town way and if a person comes in to develop their land they have to go by our rules and regs. We're getting as much as we can out of them to improve that road, but we own that road and so we really can't. I mean, when the highway committed, cut that road in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a through road and they created mass highway, created a situation. We're trying to do the best we can on getting you know monies with you know having them donate. Was it going to be about 5 000? A lot probably to come in every time they get a building permit to go to highway for improvements? I think I know I don't know if funding is in place, but I know a design has taken place to replace that entire bridge with two lanes and I believe maybe even a sidewalk the color is being designed right now by engineers for the bridge.
Speaker 4:for the bridge, you'll get a new bridge in the future, next couple of years. For the bridge For the bridge You'll get a new bridge in the future, next couple of years. It's in the design phase right now and the town administrator, town manager or town administrator, is working on funding the project, so it's there's work being made, progress being made to replace that column.
Speaker 3:How are they gonna replace the bridge with all the houses on one side temporary road when?
Speaker 4:we. When we get that answer, we'll share with you they won't, they won't close it.
Speaker 1:I've done bridge replacements.
Speaker 4:Be a temporary bridge out of that for access while they're building a new bridge, and then we'll close on a temporary bridge with a radio that was no way to die at it. The one off of Logan Street, no, no I know there's a lot of wetlands, there's streams as well, and it's it's it's financially and physically infeasible and there's a massive wetland area there.
Speaker 1:It's the acid group which has native breeding drought. I designed for me way back the group, yeah and uh, I don't know how long.
Speaker 4:You've been there, probably since 1993. The closest loop is the office at the bottom of the point, but you can't get it.
Speaker 1:No Way through. You can't get it. There's actually a road that went all the way through it. You can see the remains of the culvert out there, right at the end of Bookville.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that went through. Now they're talking about making the new road down on pine street, from there down to bullocks, wider. That's it. It's going to start there and go back to narrow. They're not touching the existing pine street, the forest, they don't have nothing to do with this. They're going to go a narrow street down and they're going to widen it out to a margin street.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I don't know I think the highway department is planning on why to match up with the improvements that they're doing. Now you say you're a fun yeah, a little bit and over. Okay, yeah, when you do this. When you say you go yeah, we met, we went up there last year. Well, I think long was out there. The previous last time I one was out there, the previous uh highway super was out there, I think once all the construction was done, which who knows how long they'll be in my neighborhood, uh. But they do plan on improving the whole road down to the culver, I thought, with dough run too they had because they brought the water and sewer up there.
Speaker 1:So they have to do repairs to the road.
Speaker 4:I thought that was part of it. I would imagine the funds that they set aside for Pine Street from Dole Run will be added to the funds that are accumulated with these other two projects and then Normal put the project together. Right, right, you'll make improvements from Dole Run back to the culvert. I don't think there's going to be any improvements made outside the culvert to its far street.
Speaker 3:All right, but I was just concerned about the bridge. I mean, nobody said what the people working on it. Right now it's one lane. Is there a reason why it's only one lane?
Speaker 4:That's really all this. It's always been one lane. It's not been widened up to two vehicles. Vehicles, right.
Speaker 3:But how do they get the weight capacity on that long hill street?
Speaker 4:long built and their contractor supported the bridge with a piece of steel to make it strong enough to pass. So there's no issues with the strength of the bridge right now. Yeah, the only issue is the width of the bridge.
Speaker 3:Okay now, they wouldn't have done that on Wake Street with that bridge. They didn't.
Speaker 4:You need to talk to the highway superintendent, Wake Street. They only did a sidewalk it cost more than a bridge.
Speaker 3:I can imagine with that bridge. That was just a sidewalk. Yeah, I know, to go up and over.
Speaker 1:That was crazy. I mean you could have done it, for it was over a million dollars for a sidewalk.
Speaker 3:But I know you went over two, when you could have done it for 200 grand I know, when diet construction came in, he, he put the water to the end of the block and then nobody had water after that and then I would continue in water for the rest of my life, and even that you can see whether everything sank not being packed out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. If we had the money from the white street sidewalk, we could have built a bridge, but you know that all they had to do with that is the culvert. There's a culvert underneath. They could have just extended the sidewalk over the culvert. They could have got precast sections. Just dropped them on it.
Speaker 3:Right now they came in sections instead of spending two million bucks, but now my main concern is the street itself, and even right now it's time to turn it to a little speedway, never mind another 200 cars going down. That's all I have to say though.
Speaker 1:Thank you okay, thanks for being concerned. Um, so nobody else in the board had anything to say. Brian anthony, um, so we're going to continue this. So here's what we have no meeting June 19th on summer session. July 3rd, I would say that's not going to happen. So July 17th well, we can't hold these guys up long in. That's quick. So July 17th would be your target date to get everything taken care of with CID. If you have any questions along the way, you have my number. The clock's not up.
Speaker 6:Should we put that before the master plan? Obviously, that's a one, yeah, yeah, with a critical list. Yeah, the master plan.
Speaker 1:Obviously that's in 601. Yeah, yeah For the creative list, yeah, the master plan. There's no date or no time for that, is it just not advertised yet? It's not advertised yet. Okay, so we'll just put that in the 601 and advertise that later. So you have your shopping list. There's Norman, something in writing, there's your roadway improvement plan, and we should be able to wrap this thing up on the 17th. If all the ducks are in a row, I try to get them in a row.
Speaker 7:look at that you know, that makes sense, especially with the fourth of july and summertime etc. So, nope, that makes sense, especially with the fourth of July and summertime and several. So I said a lot of the changes of drafting is a little bit of back and forth with the state of the GDI.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and send updated plans that would inherit to the board so they can get distributed.
Speaker 7:This they go short and we'll meet with Norman said usually it's known, usually likes to have said there we can order these types of things and we'll try to get on the water partners board we just heard water and sewer to them.
Speaker 1:That's like so it's not necessarily part of our approval. It's just that you have water and so it's up to the foot. Rock wants the sewer. What John wants for water, I know they're both available.
Speaker 7:We did meet with them early on in the design process. The water is available and the sewer is available. No, they're both excellent.
Speaker 1:There's no more discussion. And on road improvements, dave's sidewalks, you can put the paved. Is there a cul-de-sac at the end of that? Just like the turnaround.
Speaker 7:Yeah, there is, there is Is it an off Like that's gonna be paved as well. We talked to Norm about it and he asked for a new lane overlay of the existing cul-de-sac. The way it is okay, and what we've also done is the drainage that used to just scream down pine street and kick off the cul-de-sac. We have drain structures there now so it all gets picked up before, but also the cul-de-sac, so there's no need for berms or drainage in his mind. So okay.
Speaker 1:So there's no need for the drainage in his line. No, you did a good job on the drainage in the other project. I've been out there when you guys have been cutting the road and the sewer.
Speaker 3:We met out there, but to me the gravel sidewalks.
Speaker 1:I'm totally against them. I think you should pay them, the taxpayers shouldn't have to do that.
Speaker 4:They bought anything else. I know. It's just to reiterate. I need to have a discussion with John chase. He'd rather see the board approve it and then have to go to them because there'll be changes in the plan and he wants to final plan before he moves forward. So same thing with sewer out and that, so we don't have to worry about their approvals. They understand that there's a project coming before them, but as far as us waiting for their approvals, that's not the situation yeah, no, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying they did any utilities. They're up to them and I understand that completely, and your plan should reflect any input they give. So when it gets handed to them, there's no further discussion Raise their hands. I I'd entertain a motion to continue this public hearing to July 17th at 6.01. So moved. Second. Any discussion. All in favor, aye, okay.
Speaker 6:Thank you very much. Okay, thanks, we'll be in touch. Thanks for p for the water connection that's so bad the next day you guys can go to the Okay.
Speaker 1:Next thing on the agenda is a couple of reform A plans. Rainham Preserve, bassett Hall. Applications are here is here. Checks were submitted. I know I have some issues with a couple of these. Are these three separate right here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this first one is the one I think I have some issues with. Yep, yeah, there are three separate things I'd like to. Yeah, this first one is the one I think I have some issues with. Anyone else up? Um, we can stop with that first one and then we'll go to you, brian. But, um, let's get across these guys. Four, all right, good properties are for these A&R plans are for Rain man Preserve, which is a subdivision off Locust Street, the old Jerry Callagher property. The first one before I open it up to the applicant. The purpose of this plan is to divide the existing drainage parcel shown as parcel E1 on a plan on file which we don't have in front of us, into parcel E3 and parcel e2. So I assume that parcel e1 was the sum of parcel e2 and e3. Uh, no, actually it's like confusing.
Speaker 1:it's telling us go look at this plan that's not in front of us and how the hell do we know where we can sign it? And it just doesn't explain it well or show Like if you're going to change something, you're saying we're changing this to G1.
Speaker 5:Well, what was it before? It was.
Speaker 1:Parcel G the whole.
Speaker 5:thing was G.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 5:I mean, we don't know any of that. So those part parcel. Parcel g g was a slightly larger parcel. It went in the easely direction, further than it does right now, and I did not pick up on it and I presented it to you for approval um this, that plan was approved and then I realized afterwards that the surveyors had gone too far and it's an act. This was done to create an access roadway to this parcel for the uh highway department.
Speaker 6:This is what would change? This is cul-de-sac right. This is down in the cul-de-sac, with the drainage going to the pond right on correct and that was advice.
Speaker 5:Sid and norm had recommended that, rather than go behind people, right, right.
Speaker 1:So where's the old waterline? In other words, you're not showing us what was there like. If you're partial g1, yeah, you should have a dart dot. If you're saying it goes more easterly, it should be all offline to be removed. Same with this it's not explaining that. I'm not showing the lot lines. And then the other thing is there any wetland back here that's not shown on it? Is there any weapon on e3? Like you got to show the weapon line on a walk. No, what he's showing is this isolated wetland.
Speaker 5:So in other words.
Speaker 1:You put a note saying no wetlands on this line. This is right in our ranks Because generally we do NEA in our plan. We either show the wetlands or state that there aren't any wetlands On the 90-acre parcel On the open space parcel.
Speaker 1:Well, you're not changing the open space parcel You're changing. You're representing parcel E3 and E2, this little dinky thing, Correct, but it doesn't explain what you're doing. Like I would label that dotted line don't know is that line removing is intended to be combined, so parcel e2 to be combined with open space parcel e3?
Speaker 5:there is no wetlands on this lot deal with me one second too, would please, chris, but in other words, you're saying, okay, we change parcel g to g1, but what you change?
Speaker 1:you're saying, okay, we changed parcel G to G1, but what'd you change? Like you're saying, I'm not going to get in my car and drive down to the registry of deeds to see what parcel G was you know, because we don't really know what we're approving. Your other plans weren't as bad, but this one here was confusing the way it was explained. And okay, it just says, like parcel g1 is shown here on as a revision of parcel g is shown on a plan filed with the registry. That doesn't tell me anything. What was the change? Um, it's a revision. What was the revision? In other words, if you're saying castle g was a lot bigger, you show the old water.
Speaker 5:It was slightly bigger, but we will show you, just that's you know, and just just so, just to get back to learn to explain what happened. Um, so the survey has gone beyond that. There's a. There's supposed to be the westerly section of what was improved with the trail, to be the westerly section of what was improved with the trail and the access road for the highway property, the pond they're directly budding and they took the whole thing where they created parcel G. They were supposed to have left that easterly portion, that five-way easterly portion, as the walking trail off the town's property, as the walking trail for the community trail off the town's property, as the walking trail for the community. And what happened was on E2 when you get down to the end of that. E2 is part of that trail that's not shown Correct.
Speaker 1:It would have helped if you'd shown that so we could understand it. But just show that, like this, parcel E2 must somehow come off here with a strip in the back of the parcel G1 that contains the water drill, and that's what you're saying. Yeah, so to make it, I'd rather you come back, might need an extension. So we don't say no, but come back with a thing to plan that we can understand because we don't know what the hell we're looking at. The thing that plan we can understand because we don't know what the hell we're looking at, and that's all I mean your surveyor should have. He understands it, but you got to stick in front of plan aboard space and we need to understand it. But I mean we don't have access. He's saying I revised this lock except the registry, so this one I don't know if you might need an extension. Warning for this You'll have to.
Speaker 5:I'll check the date. I think you want them on the application.
Speaker 1:It's an honor. Okay, so this one. I mean, if everyone's in agreement, I don't think we should act on this site until it's got revisions. Niagara-ellsborough, I'm confused. You've been to the furnace and I'm confused. I know what he's asking for. I understand now, but I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Like you said, there's no lines, I understand now, but I have no clue. If they explained that there's a walking trail and drainage, so they didn't know. If they explained there's a walking trail and then drainage so they don't have to cut through in the walking trail, yeah, no, I so tell them it wouldn't hurt to show the walking trail so we understand the reason, yeah, and show the old walk line. And so parcel e2 and then the way he explains it possibly to is intended to be combined with a budding land I guess that's the open space. So it should say combined with pasta one day one, because when you read it as a layman, I figured it out as I do this, but I just wouldn't hand it to someone. So we'll come back on that one then and see if you might need to come in and sign something for me. This is the second one. This one is on Mulberry Road. This one's more explainable. This one states the purpose, basically that you're doing a land swap.
Speaker 5:Correct. The homeowner put the fence that's split fence probably on on their property and partly on the pond lot and we're just trying to accommodate that. So if you want to look, say like sam for your reference being relatively new.
Speaker 1:the piece on the big plot shown shows everything for the drainage possible. The small lot to the left really shows what's happening. Parcel A is to be combined with the homeowner, parcel B is to be traded to the drainage pass what's kind of an even swap. And so the homeowner. You can see his fence line, which is the nexus, his fence line. He went right off his property we don't need to survey when we put up a fence and he went right off his property and wasn't sure where he was. So there was some sort of error that someone must have discovered after and this just corrects an encroachment that was picked up in the hospital.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was. This was pretty straightforward, from what I see, so good. Anyone want um brian? Have any answers for? That anyone want to make a motion to approve as an approval law required. Plan of land at Rainham preserve, east Portland, rainham, mass. February 28th scale 1 inch equals 40 by rip apart. Land survey for the end of Mulberry Road, the drainage console 1 and lot 18-1. Dated I already said that, february 28, 2025. So moved Second Okay, any more discussion on the board? Okay, all in favor?
Speaker 3:aye, okay I don't know how many of these we keep but my laws on the bottom, the first one, thank you, okay, so this one, this one, this one.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, this plant was busy. We'll get that sign here before you leave. Okay, now this one's for the sewer pump station. The sewer pump station at the end of Paddock Road was actually in the open space. I'm sure Rock Gary and the sewer department doesn't want a sewer pump station in the open space For them to do a taking. They want to own the land. So this takes the pump station. You can really see a detail better up in the top near the locus map where it shows parsley that would contain the pump station, the cul-de-sac, the transformer pad for the generator and a little bit of drainage, and you can see how it connects to this easement that wiggles all the way through. That goes from the locust street subdivision all the way to the end of bayberry road that. I'd imagine some horseman in there no, that's right.
Speaker 1:I'm happening all the way to the station. Well, you made it all the way to really. Oh yeah, actually I had designed plans with gravity all the way here to go to Jerry Keller, the brain the other extension was for bringing east.
Speaker 5:That meets they at that point actually with that connection point is through the main down so directly connected and he's been yeah and I think there's two houses, so grabbing from both directions yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5:Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:On the second one yeah, yeah yeah, so all this does is create a possible land at the end of paddock road. Um, so when the sewer department I don't know where they're at on this, but come time for the sewer department to take over the station, uh, this creates a possible lance. They will own the land and buildings their own. So I guess any discussion. If that's the case, there's no more discussion and nothing else to add. I would entertain a motion to approve a plan titled. Approval not required. Plan of land at Rainham Reserve, faa. Basset Oval Estates. The land Rainham Mass in its title blocks. You should improve by saying what the lot is, instead of they all have the same title for land in rainham, massachusetts. Plan dated march 5th scale 1 equals 150. Inset plan scale 1 equals 30. Riverhawk land survey for a plan at the end which creates oscillate at the end of paddock road gets removed from open space.
Speaker 1:Possible one dash, one second and especially mauling favor. Hi, hi, hi. Okay, uh, my last underneath, underneath, I'll show you. So Anthony is signing those. We already have the update old business new business signed down report. We've added the update old business new business signed down report. We do that in the voices and bills. There's something on here that don't run subdivision requests for lottery lease. That's an old one.
Speaker 4:We're deficient in some review money and we need to set up a snowplow account. So if the board can take the vote and let me handle that myself on monday, I'll have a check on monday. You've already released lot 24, which is the only one. That was the least that they required, that they asked for, which is um ariana way, so I can collect the money for both the snow pile account and the efficiency of the bill account and the review account, which I believe is another $7,000.
Speaker 1:And then I can let you know my email. We didn't previously take a vote to him. To beef that up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we didn't. We already did right. Yeah, yeah, I'm sending him an email.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he's going to bring me the money on Monday. I just didn't want to let him an email.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's going to bring me the money on Monday. I'll take the portion when we handle it, so he doesn't worry about it. We'd let you handle it. We already put the ball around the money. The issue we have tonight Good night. All Thank you Good night, anthony. Can't vote on it. My brother's the engineer. There's no need to vote on it.
Speaker 4:Just start voting on it. I'll deal with it on Monday. They've only been released one lot and they're working on drainage on the other Remaining lots that they requested. They'll be back in front of the board once Sid's happy with the work that's underway.
Speaker 1:The other thing I think should be pointed out and I can't vote on any of this tonight, but they owe a substantial amount to the tax collector. The tax collector requested that we do not grant them anything until they pay the taxes.
Speaker 4:So, as you know, in Rainham it's a double jeopardy. Where they apply for a building permit they get signed off by the tax collector.
Speaker 1:I know, but I've had experience in the past where developers a neat little trick they owe taxes on their 30 lots in their subdivision. They'll go to get building permit on lot 22,. They'll pay just the taxes on lot 22. Now they're clear. They still owe a bunch of taxes and you never catch up with them. So I don't know if things should be released. It's just something to think about that there's a big outstanding not out there. So I think you know we don't have the people to vote, but that should be collected tax, collected tax, collected Before the building permits. An issue for that law. Are you already issued it?
Speaker 4:Nope. But you know the tax collector has their job to do. They have to handle their taxes, not the thing that's, you know, worth the collect taxes.
Speaker 1:No, I know that and that's how it used to be. But no, I know that and that's how it used to be. But we can only withhold permits. If someone came in with a subdivision to get approved and they owed a bunch of taxes, you still have to approve the subdivision. If they came in for a special permit, then we don't have to approve the subdivision. If they came in for a special permit, then we don't have to approve the special permit. But that's the way the law is. If there's a permit, you can hold the permit. So if they're paid taxes on that law, then you get nothing over.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like I said, not not to belabor this, but you're gonna have plenty of shots at this. He's gonna come back for three more lots, and then five more lots, and then six more. Let's get 30 lots of them. He's already halfway through, so you're gonna revisit this Several more times before he's done.
Speaker 1:So I think the time to say Pay the taxes when it comes time for our releases. Just don't be Lisa. Well, that's what.
Speaker 4:I'm saying you got five more lots. He's looking to get released. You can stop right there. Yeah, this get the lease you can stop.
Speaker 1:You can stop right there, yeah this is the applications.
Speaker 4:Okay, that's it then we are. We just to the records of public notice. Let everyone know what the schedules gonna be moving forward. The next meeting is on June 19th, which is a holiday, so we schedule is going to be moving forward. The next meeting is on june 19th, which is a holiday, so we're not going to meet. Next meeting. What is the board's pleasure for january, july 3rd, which is the day before the holiday? Do you want to? Do you want to cancel that meeting, tonight's meeting? If you want to wait till the last minute and see what's going on, I'll make a motion to cancel it.
Speaker 6:I thought second any, any discussion so don't start.
Speaker 7:Okay, all in favor, all right, okay, there's your answer the next.
Speaker 4:The next schedule meeting will be the 17th of july yes I mean the town hall now is on some on summer schedule and at the july 17th meeting you can vote on how many meetings you want to have in August, because that's still probably some schedule right?
Speaker 1:just one, probably just one. I'll tell you, the city of Taunton has one meeting a month. They get a lot done in that one meeting, but they have one meeting a month.
Speaker 4:Well, if we have to have a meeting, we have enough on the agenda to have a meeting. We can also all come.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we just need 48 hours. So anything else from anybody, okay, hearing none, I entertain a motion Okay, so moved Seconded Okay, aye, thank you.