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Conservation Commission 08/06/2025
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Step into the meeting room of the Raynham Conservation Commission where the delicate balance between development and environmental protection unfolds in real-time. This eye-opening session reveals the complex web of regulations, neighborhood concerns, and ecological considerations that shape our communities.
At the heart of tonight's discussions are several proposed developments near sensitive wetland areas. We witness the careful scrutiny of stormwater management plans, the nuances of wetland replication requirements, and the critical importance of proper documentation. The Paramount Drive project highlights an interesting challenge when institutional memory fails - what happens when everyone agrees previous approvals exist but no one can find the paperwork?
Most compelling are the powerful testimonies from residents whose properties have gradually become wetter over decades. One homeowner describes how his once-dry shed now regularly sits in standing water, while another worries about increasing flows toward her property at the bottom of a hill. These stories underscore how water connects neighbors in ways invisible property lines cannot reflect, and how development decisions ripple through watersheds for generations.
The commission demonstrates remarkable patience and diligence, scheduling site visits when plans alone can't tell the full story and carefully weighing technical requirements against real-world impacts. We also glimpse their stewardship role beyond regulatory review - maintaining conservation lands, addressing illegal dumping, and preserving public access to natural spaces.
Whether you're a property owner planning development near wetlands, a resident concerned about neighborhood drainage, or simply interested in how environmental protection works at the local level, this meeting offers valuable insights into the conservation processes that shape our communities' environmental future. Want to get involved? Attend your local conservation commission meeting or contact your town's conservation office.
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all right, good evening. Everyone like to call the August 6th meeting of the random conservation Commission to order.
Speaker 2:Please be advised all these meetings are recorded well all public hearings and meetings heard by the random conservation Commission on Wednesday August 6, 2025 at 5 30 pm in the random Veterans Memorial Town Hall, donnelly McKinnon meeting room 558 South Main Street, raina, massachusetts, relative to filings and joint hearings and or meetings under Mass General Law, chapter 131, section 40, as amended in the town of Raina, muttlin Protection Lab.
Speaker 1:First up is a request for a certificate of compliance for 13 Broadway, DEP 2691014.
Speaker 3:Hazu Under your special conditions. They didn't meet those Because of the proximity of the work to the work lights, one of the signs that said no working before this area. One of the push-and push the fence and they said they didn't do it. And they're the persons that did it Okay.
Speaker 1:Is there anybody here for 13 Broadway? No, okay, I'm sorry. What?
Speaker 4:I do know that someone is coming down here Okay.
Speaker 6:Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, all right, so we'll table it until the end.
Speaker 3:It's not on the advertisement, okay, it doesn't have to be in the motion, no, just take it All right.
Speaker 1:Next up is continued notice of intent for Zero Paramount Drive.
Speaker 8:Evening. Good evening, all set. Thank you, mr Chairman. Good EVENING, all SET. Thank YOU, mr CHAIRMAN. My NAME IS BOB FORBES, from ZENITH CONSULTING ENGINEERS. The LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, we HAD A REQUEST FROM THE COMMISSION TO EXTEND THE FENCE ESSENTIALLY ACROSS THIS AREA AND I've highlighted it. There's a new set of plans.
Speaker 8:I have printed out a couple by 17 to the cell phone and highlighted that area. So that was really the only thing that we had for plan changes. The other issue is that we're for plan changes. The other issue is that we're still going through the review with a zoo and I believe we're we're all set with that. I don't want to speak for a zoo, but we did.
Speaker 8:There was one question that he was not aware of and in on this project in Paramount Drive in the rain of wood subdivision, my my understanding is that when it was originally approved all the stormwater controls were done for volume, for runoff rate and volume coming off the site, and now people are held to and that was for full build out of the site, including this lot. So what we did and with the understanding the planning board understood this in the reviewer for the planning, the stormwater reviewer for the planning board understood that we were just trying to meet erosion. You have the proper erosion controls and meet stormwater quality measures. So we had infiltration basin and info subsurface, simple infiltration structures to take the the water quality volume and infiltrate that into the ground and the controls for the entire subdivision are taken care of. Now I've worked on this is the third project that worked on of random woods and the other FOR THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION ARE TAKEN CARE OF. Now I'VE WORKED ON. This IS THE THIRD PROJECT I WORKED ON OF RANDOM WOODS AND THE OTHER TWO.
Speaker 8:It WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT. That WAS THE CASE, and ONE OF THEM IS 675 PARAMOUNT DRIVE, which IS A MEDICAL BUILDING ON THE CORNER OF PARAMOUNT DRIVE AND ROOF 44. A new building in 2020, I believe, mr McCrea. No, you was on the Commission then. It was approved by this Commission on 2020 and that was the same thing. There were no stormwater runoff rate controls, but it was just the for water quality controls in that project. Also worked on 10 commerce wage on Nautilus building that's right on 44, but it's part of this subdivision and it's the same thing on that. There's no huge detention basin. There's water quality controls on that as well. So there, if the board doesn't remember, it doesn't understand that that is the case certainly can talk to Chris Gallagher, who was discussed with the Planning. It DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. That IS THE CASE. You CERTAINLY CAN TALK TO CHRIS GALLAGHER, who WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANNING BOARD DURING THAT WHOLE PLANNING BOARD REVIEW PROCESS.
Speaker 1:OKAY, do YOU HAVE THE PAPERWORK FROM THE PLANNING REVIEW FOR THIS?
Speaker 8:YES, not WITH ME, but YEAH.
Speaker 1:WE HAVE THE ENTIRE REVIEW.
Speaker 8:DO not with me, but yeah, it does it entire review. Does it state anywhere in that paperwork? The first paragraph of the stormwater management report clearly states it and it stated several times throughout and then we discussed it within the reviewers. Comments on the stormwater design also say that this is the case and we're not reviewing for stormwater rate, the rate of runoff coming off the site, because that's already been taken care of and that I'd be happy to submit that. I offered to submit that earlier and still they didn't need to. I'd be happy to submit all that stuff.
Speaker 1:All right, I'll start with you, Lorenzo.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. Well, you sent an email. We went back and forth and he answered a lot of the review questions. But to me, I review stuff based on what I see before me. I refuse to have business what I see before me. I don't doubt what he's saying, but at the end of the day, I cannot make a statement that says, from my perspective, that something works or doesn't work when I don't see the information.
Speaker 8:And I totally understand Azou's perspective on that. He's not aware of that, that that's the case. So we did try to get original stuff on several occasions. If anybody in the commission knows where we could find it, it would be great from when this project was actually approved and we could keep that on record.
Speaker 1:I mean the planning board doesn't have that information.
Speaker 8:Well, Chris knew that that was the case.
Speaker 1:Did you talk to Maureen though?
Speaker 8:Yes, no, they have nothing.
Speaker 1:Maureen has no information.
Speaker 8:Not on that. I mean, it's possible that Bob is aware of that as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the part that I'm not understanding is there's paperwork for everything, and yes, but that was such a large project that encompasses 100 acres.
Speaker 8:Out there, there's got to be some type of forms of paperwork that state all the calculations that I was looking for absolutely were at one time, one would assume and I've made that request and I we can't get it, so it's not, it's not available, all right.
Speaker 1:So with that said, I think I'd like to see the paperwork you had from this past planning board. Happy, I'm GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SEE THE PAPERWORK YOU HAD FROM THIS PAST PLANNING. Board HAPPY TO DO THAT. Go AROUND AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND MAUREEN AND I KNOW BOB'S NOT HERE THIS WEEK.
Speaker 8:YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
Speaker 1:I ENCOURAGE THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, like I SA. Like I said, I'm not denying that what you're saying is true, but at the end of the day, we have to kind of.
Speaker 8:No, I understand. So, just from our perspective, we submitted this in April and, like I said, it's in the first paragraph of the report that we submitted. This is all laid out, and it's just a little discouraging that we have just getting to this now in August. So if we could try to move it forward, that would be really helpful. I also want to state that I've been asked by the owner of 675 Paramount Drive to do a redesign of that second building. I don't know if you recall that, but there's a second building proposed in that medical office building site like five years ago, and that's going to be the same thing. So it would be nice if we could get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that would help you in the future, or everybody in the future, if we can clear this up. Yeah, right.
Speaker 8:Well, now it's built out. This is the last open lot, so you may not see much on it in the future, but if you look around there, there's not the huge detention basin or filtration basins in that subdivision, because it was taken care of all at once.
Speaker 1:You know the original built out. I don't see how it could have predicted the size of the building that was going to go up and the size of the parking lots that were going to be there so you just assume max build out on pavement, the building is irrelevant, it just, you just assume it's mostly yeah no understood, understood, and that's so, yeah, my, my suggestion is that we'll get a hold of Bob as soon as possible and sit with planning and try and iron this out real quick.
Speaker 8:That would be great. I'd really appreciate that, yeah.
Speaker 1:We're back on normal schedule right September, September 3rd. So, we'll go for that sounds great, all right, anyone the audience have any questions?
Speaker 2:motion. Motion to continue continued notice of intent for a zero paramount drive now. I will second that map 15, lot 176, 36, dp number two, six nine, one zero seven second motion made and second it on favor, hi.
Speaker 8:Bojan is great, thank you. Thank you very much, and I will submit that information that the other reviewer had. Okay, that would be great. Yep, thank, thank YOU VERY MUCH, and I WILL.
Speaker 1:SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION THAT THE OTHER REVIEWER HAD. Okay, that WOULD.
Speaker 8:BE GREAT. Thank.
Speaker 1:YOU DO. You HAVE JUST ONE COPY OF THE NEW PLAN.
Speaker 8:I'LL GET YOU AS MANY AS YOU WANT. I JUST BROUGHT.
Speaker 1:ONE, YEAH, JUST GET A COUPLE TWO MORE, OKAY, Thank you All right. Next up continued notice of intent for 0 South Street East, Map 17, Lot 59, DEP 269-1071, opposed single-family dwelling.
Speaker 4:Good evening, Just for the record, Josh White from JDE Civil. So the last meeting we were at, we introduced the project to you guys and we had a couple comments from the commission and the agent. We had a couple comments from the Commission and the agent. One was they you guys wanted a soap pens added to the plan. So we've added that We'll start from here on this side of the driveway and go all the way back right here. We've added the detail to the plan as well.
Speaker 1:Another kind of the major.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know those are the old ones. Yeah, another one of the comments was the replication area being too far away from the proposed work, so we've revised it to be on either side of the driveway area. We're filling 2255 square feet and we're still replicating the 2300 split between the two areas adjacent to the driveway, so it's a lot closer to the work and that's basically the same. I believe it's the same number of shrubs and trees in the replication area and just on either side of the driveway, as the question requested. That's. That's basically it for revisions can you point?
Speaker 6:out the property line closest to the replication area.
Speaker 4:This is the property line slash right-of-way line of my street to the understaffed right away.
Speaker 1:Right away.
Speaker 6:It's a uh, it's just a dirt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't. Yes, other than the relocated it. That's what I talked about, so that it's the audience in general work area. And to Will's point, they had it over with the North Arrow and okay, so nothing's up they had it way in the bottom.
Speaker 3:That's not in the corner, that's right. Okay, so if nothing's up, they had it way in the bottom where it actually upon a private property. This way here it's only the right of way of the old constructed roadway. So I would think it makes more sense here than where they had it before. But probably it's basically semantics that in that replication area it says one lens to be replicated. So if you read it in another sense of the text it almost sounds like they're filling that supposed to say one lens of replication the area.
Speaker 6:I suppose the weapons could be replicated so you won't say so, there's just a mention.
Speaker 3:But I understand that that is replication area.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it should probably it should be probably spelt out a little differently as replicated area, okay, as opposed to to be where you have REPLICATED AREA AS OPPOSED TO THE WAY YOU HAVE. It WRITTEN. Okay, that WAY, everybody IS CLEAR ON WHAT THE PURPOSE IS.
Speaker 9:YEAH.
Speaker 4:WE CAN CLARIFY. That I GUESS, YEAH.
Speaker 7:ANYBODY ELSE.
Speaker 6:NO, I THINK YOU.
Speaker 7:MADE YOU KNOW, you know the outdated, my concerns.
Speaker 1:All right. Anyone in the audience for this project? No, all right.
Speaker 4:So do you need an updated plan calling it wetlands to be replicated?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just like you said. It's just semantics, but we'll need, like the gentleman, we'll need updated copies because these are all old ones. Yep, that show the show everything. And on your pages. I know they're on. I believe they're on here. All the wetland species and everything are spelled out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, all the plants and shrubs and seed mixes that are specified are all on there.
Speaker 1:They're all on there, okay, yep.
Speaker 4:And we did submit the actual report from the botanist for the replication plan as well. Okay, and everything matches All right Falls in your court.
Speaker 1:what would you like to do?
Speaker 4:Close the hearing. Yeah, we'd like to close and hopefully conditionally approve. We'll get to the final plans. We get them to you tomorrow all right motion.
Speaker 2:Motion to close. Continue notice for zero cells 3d.
Speaker 3:DP number two six, nine one zero. So I will second that motion. Motion been made. Seconded. All in favor. Aye, opposed, yes, any OTHERS YOU ARE ON? I'm NOT SURE, I'm NOT SURE, yeah, well, we'll DRAFT UP THE ORDER FOR YOU TO ENDOOR ALTHOUGH TECHNICALLY. Suchanda, you DON'T HAVE SUPPORT FOR IT. That WILL BE MORE THAN 21 DAYS, so YOU CAN VOTE TO ISSUE THE ORDER. Subject TO RECEIPT FOR THE FILE to issue the order. Subject to receipt for the file of a plan with the proper notation, because it's only. They're not changing the design, it's only a notation of the URL. So that is so, I would say, approved. Subject to receipt of the. So one of the conditions would be receipt of an updated plan with the proper language. So ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WILL BE RECEIPT OF THE UPDATED PLAN WITH THE PROPER LANGUAGE.
Speaker 2:MOTION TO APPROVE NOTICE OF INTENT FOR 073 EAST MAP 17, law 59, dep NUMBER 2691071,. In THE CONDITION THAT THEY PROVIDE UPDATED PLAN AND 21 DAYS WILL NOT STOP.
Speaker 1:I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION BE MADE AND SECONDED, all IN FAVOR. Aye OPPOSED, anonymous.
Speaker 4:SOUNDS GOOD. Thank YOU.
Speaker 1:THANK YOU. Thank you, amy, just so we're remembered. These are all old, so All right. Next up is request for determination of the applicability for Hall Street Roadway drainage pipe construction. Welcome back, my materials are stuck.
Speaker 9:Prove it. Yeah, thank you for having us this evening, sam Campbell from Greenman Peterson Inc.
Speaker 1:Okay, just hold on one second. We have to read it in because we didn't do it last time. That's right.
Speaker 9:Let's go find the actual newspaper we had. It's the proof of publication there. Yeah, I have the thing, so we didn't get the we requested the tear sheet.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, okay. Okay have the thing. So we didn't get the we requested a tear sheet.
Speaker 13:okay, public notice. Notice this here by given that the random conservation commission will hold a public hearing relative to a request for determination of applicability filed by Greenman Peterson Inc. On behalf of the Town of Rainham, to ensure construction of a drainage pipe along Hall Street. The meeting will be held Wednesday, august 6, 2025 at 5.30 pm at the Rainham Veterans Memorial Town Hall, don L McKinnon meeting room 558 South Main Street.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 9:We're on All right. So Sam Campbell from Greenman Peterson Ag Corp here on behalf of the Highway Department for the Hall Street drainage pipe replacement. This is an RDA that was submitted after the fact. I believe Highway Department was here previously to discuss this with you folks. So essentially just to walk you through what was done. There was a 12-inch RCP that conveyed drainage from west to east under Hall Street. The pipe was partially collapsed, sedimented in and it's under an existing stonemasonry wall that had kind of collapsed down onto it, so no flow beneath the roadway. It was replaced with a 15-inch RCP and a small amount of riprap was applied along the roadway slope outside the wetland boundary just to stabilize the side slope. It conveys drainage from an intermittent stream to a catch basin on the east side of the roadway and it continues east off-site. The town also acquired a 40-foot drainage easement so that they can continue to maintain that structure in the future. That's the limit of the work that was conducted, so I'll turn it over to the commission for any questions or comments.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was called out there by the highway because they had an emergency pipe collapse. So Sid was out there, we went over it. So Sid was out there, we went over it and because of the land taking for the drainage easement, they actually had to move the pipe three feet from where it was existing because of the land taking. So IT DID SHIFT THREE FEET OVER BUT IT WAS STILL WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE EXISTING DISTURBANCE.
Speaker 5:YEAH, YEAH AND JUST.
Speaker 9:THE ORIGINAL PIPE YOU CAN SEE HERE WAS STRAIGHT.
Speaker 1:YEAH, so IT WAS JUST WORK, is ALL DONE IN TWO DAYS. It WAS EMERGENT yeah, so it was just work, is all it was done in two days. It was emerged because, like you said, the pipe was collapsed. No water was getting under the road, it was backing up.
Speaker 2:There's no additional conditions.
Speaker 4:Anything else.
Speaker 1:Anyone in the audience have any comments?
Speaker 2:questions about this. All right, seeing none Motion. Motion to issue a negative determination of a possibility to Hall Street roadway drainage pipeline emergency.
Speaker 7:Repair Emergency repair.
Speaker 1:Street roadway, drainage, pipeline, emergency repair.
Speaker 9:Good motion second okay, I'm sorry to hear you all in favor aye, aye, opposed, unanimous.
Speaker 1:All right, thank you very much. Good night. I HAVE A COUPLE OF SIGNATURE PAPERS HERE. Okay, all RIGHT. Next UP IS A REQUEST FOR DETERMINATION OF All right. Next up is a request for determination of applicability for Buttercup Lane site drain improvement. Thank YOU.
Speaker 13:THANK YOU. Look AT THAT. Humor DELEGATION NEXT. A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD BY THE CONSERVATION COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY, august 6, 2025, at 5.30 PM IN THE RAYNONS VETERAN MEMORIAL TOWN HALL, don LOWE MACKINNON MEETING ROOM 558, south MAIN STREET, raynon MASS, on BEHALF OF BRISTOL SOUTH INC. For THE FILING OF A REQUEST FOR D. For the filing of a request for determination applicability for a property Village at Wildflower Green, buttercup Lane, map 3, plot 376A, for some minor grading within 100 foot buffer zone relative to construction of a common For the existing condos. Interested participants should call the Conservation Commission at 508-824-2704 for details. Individuals with disabilities who require assistance or special arrangements participate in the hearing. Please call Amy Engelhardt.
Speaker 7:We request you provide five business day notice so the proper arrangements can be made. All right, sir, Go ALL RIGHT. Sir GO AHEAD, OKAY.
Speaker 14:THANK YOU, pat CARRAR, from PMP, consulting HERE ON BEHALF OF PRISTOL SALT INC. For THIS PROJECT. So THIS IS LOCATED IN A CONDO COMPLEX CALLED THE VILLAGE OF WILDFLOWER GREEN. It's LOCATED OFF OF SUNFLOWER DRIVE, right OFF OF 138, just SOUTH OF BARRELS AND BOARDS. So THIS IS BUTTERCUP LANE. It's NORTH.
Speaker 1:OF BARRELS AND BOARDS.
Speaker 14:YEAH, sorry, north OF BARRELS AND BOARDS, excuse ME. So THIS IS BUTTERCUP LANE. It's OUT AT THE REAR OF THE SITE AND WHAT WAS OCCURRING AT and what was occurring at the site is all these units, the roof drains, when they built the site were supposed to be connected into an in-ground stormwater system roof drain infiltration. What was happening is that they were all overflowing and causing significant ponding and flooding down in this area and in this bottom unit, which is the lowest portion of the site, on the northerly section, and then, as the water eventually would build up enough, it would try to make its way down to the south pond. In various locations, freeze up in the wintertime and it would just kind of all be pointing up there. Eventually there is a low spot down here where it eventually get to not before, he said, frozen at a time. So what they asked to do is come up with a solution for this problem. So we did a couple of test holes out here. We found good sand and gravels down in this area. We established the groundwater elevation. We did look further up the hill once we get out of this area. We were just in some horrible fill material. It looked like just awful stuff. We did find the roof drain system in the ground. It was basically just a stone trench with some light-duty ADS pipe in it. It wasn't working. It was totally full of water. Once we broke into it it was like letting the tide out. So that's why all these roof drains were just overflowing to the ground. Nothing was infiltrating. So we've come up with a pipe network to collect all these roof drains, tie them into an in-ground infiltration system. We are providing for an emergency overflow here and then we're going to do a little bit of light grading work just to improve the swale behind the existing units down to that existing low point. And then at that low point we're going to add in a modified rock fill a rip rap level spreader area so that as the water gets there it can go into the rock and kind of disperse and not cause any erosion or anything off the site. There is an existing stone wall here along the property line. We have erosion controls proposed around the limit of the work.
Speaker 14:The wetland is this off-site area here. It shows up as a pond. You can see it in the aerial photos. It's well off-site. We have the hundred foot buffer. So you know we have this little bit of work within the hundred foot buffer buffer of that area, and that's the reason why we're here. We felt it was the proper way to handle this is to come to the commission and file an RDA. So we did do drainage calculations on this system. They were included with the plans to show how we calculated the size, with the infiltration rate and the volume of runoff of the roofs.
Speaker 3:So, that being said, I'd be happy to try to answer any questions that you may have, azou. No, the only reason we're here, like Pat says, is this swill if you look at the recharge system, it's outside the air buffer zone anyway, so I don't see an issue. And if they try to maintain that existing wall and not disturb it, then it's a moot point. There's some DEP regulations that allow for a pool of projects at least 50 feet and then, looking at it, it looks like it. You got this future feet from the what much?
Speaker 1:in the property where it's being drained onto. That's just woods yeah, this is. This is all overgrown wooded area, so alongside the highway, correct, yep, all OVERGROWN WOODERED AREA. It's ALONG.
Speaker 6:THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
Speaker 1:CORRECT YEAH, and IT'S JUST THOSE GROUPS OF HOUSES ON BUTTERCUP.
Speaker 14:CORRECT.
Speaker 1:I KNOW I LIVE IN THE AREA AND I KNOW THAT AREA IS PRONE TO FLOODING.
Speaker 14:SO, yeah, I WILL SAY THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THAT AREA, they TOOK SOME LIBERTIES FROM THE APPROVED PLANS.
Speaker 1:I WASN'T AROUND THAT, all RIGHT. Any QUESTIONS? No, no, all RIGHT. Close THE HEARING IN ABSOLUTELY. Oh, I'm SORRY, anybody IN THE AUDIENCE APOLOGIES? No, all RIGHT, close IT. Yeah, please, all RIGHT. Motion TO CLOSE REQUESTS FOR DETERMINATION OF APPLICABILITY FOR BUTTERCUP LANE.
Speaker 2:SITE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. Motion BE MADE, second IT ALL lane. Site drainage improvement.
Speaker 7:I was second that motion, motion made second it all in favor, aye opposed and miss once again.
Speaker 1:Do you want to do the?
Speaker 2:issue motion to issue a negative determination of applicability for second motion made.
Speaker 1:Second is all in favor aye. Aye Aye, opposed Any others Great.
Speaker 14:Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Thank you All right. Next up is a notice of intent for 0 Wilbur Street, Map 1, Lot 97-A, DEP number 269 1073, opposed single-family dwelling.
Speaker 7:Thank you you put me on the spot. Now watch it does all right. Radium conservation Commission. This is me. Notice of public hearing in Quarantine, massachusetts. General laws, chapter 131, section 40 in the town. Iranian local bylaws. Iranian conservation Commission meeting will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, august 5th 2025 at 530 pm in the Donald L McKinnon meeting room here at rain and veterans and roller town hall, located back to the itself main street, rainham man, on a notice of intent file by Amy and you why we eat we read the applicant processes is a single-family drawing at the location of 0 Wilbur Street in the assessors map 1, what 97 a, the property owned by you.
Speaker 7:I Q 3 copies. The application plans may be viewed as the RCC office during normal business hours at town hall. You may also contact the RCC by calling 508. A, 2, 4, 2, 7, 0, 6. All interested persons are encouraged to attend public hearing. Meeting date on July 25th 2025 good evening.
Speaker 11:Shay notes with independence engineering out of Middleborough here tonight on behalf of our client, the buoys. They own the property at Zero Maple Street. It doesn't have an address yet, which is basically a seven acre. Zero what Zero Wilbur Street? I'm on another property, literally just talked about that, so it's Zero Wilbur Street. It's approximately a seven acre undeveloped parcel, mostly forested, a lot of wetlands on it. It's on the southern side of Wilbur Street, west of Hall Street and east of Robinson.
Speaker 11:There's Broadway off the sheet that we can't see. So everyone kind of knows where we are, not too far from Ryan Drive. So I just have this plan to start with, because it gives the commission a little bit of a perspective of what's on the site currently, so here is the access point off Wilbur Street right here.
Speaker 11:So what we have when we come in the wetlands were flagged by Brad Holmes at ECR in Plymouth. So what Brad found was there's a little isolated vegetated wetland right here, a small pocket up at the front, and then we have flags B1 to B15, and you can see it on the site plan. It almost defines like someone built a driveway at some point in time a long time ago, what we're starting to do. So the BBW is basically south of B1 to B15, and then we have the A series of A1 to A68, which basically just creates an upland area.
Speaker 11:And that's basically the remainder of the site isn't all BVW, even though it's labeled that. There's just pockets of upland that you won't really be able to get to without creating additional wetland. So I just wanted to give a brief overview of what we're looking at on the site plan. So then the proposal is for a single family house, 40 by 32 in size, with an attached garage, 12 foot driveway with curving to try to prevent runoff from going into any of the wetland areas. Utilities, water, water, sewer, electric will all be tied in at wilbur street, brought up to the driveway into the house. Basically a little turnaround for the driveway there, uh, raising this area up three or four feet.
Speaker 11:The blue lines, again, are a more detailed view of the wetland areas, so you can see this little triangle. That's the isolated area. This is basically everything north of this B-series blue line is upland, where you can see where we're kind of putting that driveway right in there, because that's where it makes sense to put it in, and then everything interior of this blue line is considered upland. So we have approximately 735 square feet of wetland fill here to access the upland area. They also have proposed wetland fill. The Buies are big farmers so they have a proposed 15,000-square-foot agriculture area where they'd like to do some farming. They grow a lot of their own food. So that's really just a brief overview. There are some proposed replication areas. We don't have a replication plan, so THAT'S REALLY JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW. There ARE SOME PROPOSED REPLICATION AREAS. We DON'T HAVE A REPLICATION PLAN. We WANTED TO GET THROUGH THIS FIRST STEP FIRST WE UNDERSTAND THAT ONE WILL HAVE TO BE DESIGNED AND PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT. So THAT'S IT. If ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, happy TO ANSWER.
Speaker 1:MR Z.
Speaker 3:No, he explained it because my question was if all the work was being done here, what is the need for fillers and what not to over here? But he explained it about the farming and they want to do some farming.
Speaker 11:Yeah, this falls under the limited project guidelines and statutes for DEP, and farming is one of those. Obviously, access to upland is one of them. We've obviously picked the path of least resistance for that driveway and we're just going with one lane at 12 feet. So, again, the driveway will be paved and curbed, so that will help create any not that there's going to be a lot of traffic, but if there was any oils or greases from vehicles that would be able to be contained. Basically so, and then also, I just wanted to mention what we're proposing, and it depends, we're gonna have to go out there and do, um, a test hole for the foundation.
Speaker 11:While we're doing that, I'm going to dig a couple of holes back here. We're proposing, um, a recharge facility for the roof, just to uh, you know, kind of put their best foot forward. So that recharge system right now is just to kind of put their best foot forward. So that recharge system right now is designed to accommodate the 100-year storm. We'll see what the soils up there are pretty much C-type soils, so they're not great. So we'll see what I end up digging up. So is that?
Speaker 2:agricultural area. Is that, for their own use, correct? Then it doesn't meet the requirement.
Speaker 11:What's that?
Speaker 2:It doesn't meet the requirement for farming.
Speaker 11:I don't know if it's for just their use and for sale. I have no idea about that exact stuff. Well, you just said that it's for them. Yeah, I mean, it is ultimately for them, right? I don't know if they'll have extra. It depends what size they get, what size area they end up with.
Speaker 1:And can you just point out when you did your calculation for your replication, what areas did you take into consideration?
Speaker 11:So basically the 735 square feet and this 3500 square feet area. So the replication starts here to the west of the proposed house, and these wetlands extend. You can see that on the survey. They extend to the west quite a ways.
Speaker 1:Okay, so those are our replication areas.
Speaker 11:So we'll basically a lot of this site is wet because of street drainage that the town has installed over years and years.
Speaker 1:So now there will be some continuity continuity once we make those what's your proposal for the driveway where you go from flag b10 OVER TO B2, b3 AREA UP ON THE TOP, there RIGHT HERE?
Speaker 5:RIGHT THERE.
Speaker 1:SO THERE'S NO WETLAND FILL HERE.
Speaker 11:SO THIS, the DRIVEWAY FROM HERE TO HERE, IS WITHIN UPLAND AREA. This IS THE FILL AREA. Now I'M BACK IN UPLAND AREA, okay.
Speaker 1:YEAH, that's GOT TO.
Speaker 11:COME FORWARD. This is the fill area. Now I'm back in up okay, but that's my point.
Speaker 1:So right here, well above it, where you're in the b10 to b2 area, yeah you're? By putting a roadway in there, you're blocking off the natural flow between the two areas. So what you're this is an isolated wetland.
Speaker 11:No, I'm down. You're going further down here like this area.
Speaker 1:You keep missing it. Right there where the triangle is on your left, I mean on your right.
Speaker 8:Right here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now come down on the other side Right here, yeah, okay.
Speaker 11:Draw a line between there and the triangle. Yeah, right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how are you going to keep the flow of the water?
Speaker 11:So what we'll do is, if this can't be achieved by grading I think the grading the water will flow over because there's basically cuts in the curve. I don't know if you can read it on the plane Proposed five foot curve cuts. But if we needed to, we could install a culvert.
Speaker 2:He's talking about flow from one side of the driveway, not flow off the driveway.
Speaker 1:You want flow through the driveway.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 11:So there's curb cuts here which allow this natural connection. So water over here curb cut here comes over to this portion as well, so there's connectivity there through the driveway.
Speaker 3:But if we needed to, we could lift the driveway. Your driveway will be underwater sometimes, then for you to maintain the connectivity shape.
Speaker 11:Yeah, so we could raise it and put a culvert in or it'll just need to be a pipe. There's not a lot of water flowing on that from east to west there, so we could raise the driveway a couple of feet we're trying to minimize. I guess what we could do in the long run is we could lift the driveway, put a little retaining walls, wing walls on either side and put a culvert in almost a prefabricated section yeah, we can do that because, like you said, you're going to flood yeah by just making holes in the curb cuts, you're just gonna flood the driveway
Speaker 11:yeah, sure, yeah, we can lift that up and just put a couple of wing walls in with a culvert and the same thing down at A14 and A16, you're going to have to have two pipes.
Speaker 1:Right here.
Speaker 11:Yeah, so this is all wet here. So if you provide basically a culvert here in the middle, this is the wet area that connects to that wet area. You know what I'm saying. So there's not two separated sections, it's just one. This is all up with no, this is all up with. The driveway coming in is in up with.
Speaker 2:This is the part that they're doing, the replication.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I'm sorry. That's all right. So you're from B5 down to A16 around sorry that.
Speaker 11:So you're from b5 down to a16 around, that's your five to eight, sixteen and and or a15, and then a16 to b8, that's the wetland area. So we can put a culvert right on the spot there, okay? Yeah, I had to stare at it a while too before I figure it out.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The only other thing is. The ONLY OTHER THING IS HOW DO WE DISTINGUISH THE AREA FOR PROPOSED AGRICULTURAL?
Speaker 11:YEAH, so WE HAVE, we DO HAVE A PROPOSED HOSTAGE A RAIL FENCE SORRY, we do have a proposed rail fence to prevent overflow into the A-Series flagging. Well, any agricultural area, there won't be any impervious surface.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is all being filled. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:This is all being filled that's what I was saying earlier, that you did not make any sense because all the work is done here for your house. But then, when you said agricultural, then I said okay, because otherwise I don't see why you'd be filling here for this house. No, you PORTUAL THEN IT'S AN ORCHID BECAUSE I KNOW. Otherwise I DON'T SEE WHY YOU WOULD BE FILLING ME IN FOR THIS HOUSE.
Speaker 11:NO, ABSOLUTELY.
Speaker 3:THEY'RE.
Speaker 11:TWO SEPARATE USES, BUT YEAH, THERE'S A PROPOSED POST AND RAIL FENCE. So THAT KIND OF DEMARKETS THE LIMITS.
Speaker 3:OF WORK.
Speaker 15:AND THE SAME.
Speaker 1:THING.
Speaker 6:IS GOING TO HAVE TO.
Speaker 1:HAPPEN AT THE HAY BAIL LINE AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. Yep, it's GOING TO HAVE TO BE NO WORK BEYOND THIS POINT.
Speaker 3:YEAH.
Speaker 1:AT THE 25-FOOT. At THE 25-FOOT YEAH.
Speaker 11:AT.
Speaker 6:THE 25-FOOT BUPPER HERE.
Speaker 11:Yep, so YEP point yeah 25 foot, 25 foot buffer here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where the double pay bills will be yeah, and it's going to actually have to extend all the signage, will have to extend all the way to the corner of the driveway yep, the posts.
Speaker 11:The post signs correct yeah yep, we'll add those to the plans as well.
Speaker 1:We'll add those to the plans as well.
Speaker 2:Any more comments?
Speaker 11:Yeah, we have a comment from DP so I have to address that pursuant to you know. So I have to respond to them and I'll be copying you guys on that response.
Speaker 3:I'll have to get something from the homeowner as well in writing, and then the replication details.
Speaker 11:Yeah, we'll provide a replication plan to you guys.
Speaker 1:And your plan will have to also show. Your final plan will have to show a culvert. What type of culvert? And all that, yep.
Speaker 3:Right, and just so you know, we prefer open bottom culvert yeah.
Speaker 11:Because then I'm Like an open box channel for critters and stuff. Sure.
Speaker 1:Anyone in the audience have any questions? I can't see it everybody. We got some people, mr mr Barry.
Speaker 3:I Brian.
Speaker 15:Barry, 141, wilbur Street. My, yeah, my is right. My property is right to the right of the entrance Of the proposed driveway.
Speaker 1:Mr, Burr is right here, okay.
Speaker 15:I've got a copy of a plan that he gave me, but it's not this nice color to me. I'm assuming it'll lighten up much later. A couple of things I'd like to go over is uh, there's a spot I gave a point to this course down here. Over here it says wooded area and what I have is the same thing. Right, yeah, but it's actually a I guess you could call it a vernal pond. It's 120 feet by 60 feet wide, based on the flags. I was out there measuring it the other day. This is what the area is. That's been up to four and a half feet high at one time in the past. At least one time we used to clear it out for the kids so they could skate on it. That reaches a level and then it comes down through a brook that used to be there, down through a brook that used to be there, but now it's all spread out all over the place because it's so wet.
Speaker 15:From the drain pipe the gentleman mentioned from, it comes from Robinson Street, possibly too far from Robinson Street. There are two catch basins, all of Robinson Street, from the church, from the other end, part of Wilbur Street. All drains into that area or into 16-inch drain fills up this whole area. It actually comes down to this part of the house. It kind of splits. The low end is this way, towards my property. Most of the water comes down here. The rest of it comes to the back of the property. This way, most of it comes down here where, again, it doesn't show presentation. It says wooded area. That's a. I don't know if you want to, I think it's vernal. I see all these little peat frogs and salamanders. It really fills up.
Speaker 15:The road that he mentioned that was put in there years ago is Urban Chickering. You might recall the name of a couple of the members. He went in there years ago. It was, uh, urban chickering. You might recall the name, a couple of the members. He went in there and just filled it in years ago. No permits or anything.
Speaker 15:I made a call, found out what's going on. He failed a uh per test. They wouldn't look. He passed it on the other side down here, but the town told him to dig a trench foot in that proposed wet area you were just speaking of. Down there you dug a trench with a pick and a shovel. I've been doing it for 30 years twice or three times a year just to keep it clear because it fills up so much and there's a steady stream there. Now it's coming closer to my house. In the past few years I've got a shed up here I put in a dry spot. It's tipping to the left about three inches. It's completely underwater. During the wet season, which is pretty often, it's pretty dry. Now you know what I mean. But hence the rental car. What else I get Up here on Wilbur Street there's two culverts, one on each side of the road that was put in by the town about six years ago.
Speaker 15:On the north side there's a trench coming along the side of the property on there which collects a bunch of water to keep it from going into his property. It goes into the culvert that was created six years ago or so. It goes under Wilbur Street, picks up the other culvert on the other side of Wilbur Street, so all the water coming down Wilber Street, which is quite a hill, flows into both those and also comes into here. It used to just come into this easement, this drainage, down along the side this way, but now it also goes this way and then it comes down and they meet here.
Speaker 15:I've been through this many times up here. So I'm just wondering. I couldn't really see what you were talking about. I understand I heard what you were talking about because I was behind the map here, but the culverts you're talking about putting in. My concern is the new water that's added by the town coming down here and filled by those two culverts. They really can float a small toy boat down here when it's raining. It comes down in here and then they put the culvert coming from this side where the vernal pond is. I think it's a vernal pond, you can know this delineation memo says no, the site does not contain certified vernal ponds.
Speaker 15:That doesn't mean it isn't one, it just says it's not a certified one. I don't know how you certify them, but anyway it all comes down to here. My concern is you need to put the young that's tennis drain line or something underneath that driveway. Well, this side equal this side and the water won't go anywhere because it's standing a lot now, don't time of go anywhere, because it's stagnant a lot now. The only time it dissipates is because it's dry and it goes down. It doesn't always flow. There's that big area I was talking about. On the other side of the driveway there's another good-sized one I bought half the size of that and another small one over here.
Speaker 15:There's really a lot going on here and that's of course, one of the reasons I'm here. Can I just check a couple of things here, write you down some stuff for a couple of days and I didn't want to forget anything. But you know, if one side equals the other, it's not going anywhere. The way I look at it right now, it barely goes down because it's so mushy and whatever up there around. I think it's a good idea. Like to request there's a couple of the board members do a walk through the place. A walk through the place, because I don't think this shows you what you really can see. But you guys know better than I do see it in person.
Speaker 15:I also have another plan here from when this was originally separated between for two lots years ago. For a couple of years ago it showed the plan. This is from a different engineering company, but the plan shows it's not the same wetland area that this one shows. So I'm confused by that. I'm not knocking either one of these companies, but if one shows wetland vegetation and the other one doesn't, then I think there's a question that should be investigated and checked into.
Speaker 15:So if anybody tends to get flooded by this, if anything's wrong, it's going to be me, because it's already coming to the edge of my land as is now. It hasn't always been like that, probably the last 20 years. I put the shed in about 20 years ago. I put it there because it was dry. Now it's soaking wet underneath there every time it rains. I'm not talking about a 100-year storm, I'm talking a couple of decent storms that we have every once in a while. So you know what I Is there another plan you have. I got a couple of small ones. I've seen over the years something happen. I'm not trying to stop anybody from doing what they can with their land, but I'm just worried about getting flooded myself, and I'm sure other people may be too if it's not done right.
Speaker 1:This is his house, here, this is his name.
Speaker 15:Here, this plant has a picture and then again, if the town puts a couple culverts in, it is supposed to approach you guys to get permission to do that, because that was just done. There's a couple, there's a firm up there. You tear the bird down and I put the driveway and that means I get my look, my driveway looks up, you know. It makes it to the public.
Speaker 1:I can't answer the other question about the highway. I don't know how they're Because you got to remember up in North Rainham, a lot of it is what they refer to as country drainage, which means basically it goes where it wants to go cheap well, this is actually been directed by the town over the years.
Speaker 15:That big 16-inch mean. I've seen that. I've been out there in the middle of this rainstorm and seen that stuff flying in there, coming into this area and the cupboards that were at it six years ago. I did ask about it at the time. You know why are you doing it? And the super told me someone down the end of the street was getting iced up and flooded. I said, well, go to the top of the hill and talk to it up there. I'm sure you guys have seen the um across and with it, yeah, the uh. Up front there the guy's got a bunch of cows. It's a nice, great. He's got a yeah with the cows and the trains, dogs, police dogs In a good storm. That place is like a skating rink up there. The whole left side of his yard fills up. It's huge.
Speaker 15:For three days after that, when it drains away, people down Robinson Street and Wilbur Street are draining their cellars because it finally makes it down and a lot of the houses, even on Robinson Street, are still continuing to pump their cellars. That's where that part goes. It comes down to them and again goes into here. So it can be pretty crazy. And, like I said, I don't know when the last time was, because I don't go out there a lot. I do go out there a lot but once in a while the kids you know grandkids walk around. It's like a little hike, you know.
Speaker 15:But I was out there with waiters years ago, long time ago. I was up to here with waiters that that retention I don't recall retention vernal or upon I don't know what, designates the size of either one, but that gets pretty deep before it continues to flow. If there's a lot of water, there's a lot of ferns, all kinds of stuff out there. Again, I think the best way to check it out is to go through it and see it physically realize how I mean that's.
Speaker 1:That's a great suggestion and I will put that as a motion to the board to do a site visit thank you just grab this back.
Speaker 7:I think yep see something too.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm sorry, man, you guys speak a lot I'm at the bottom of it on hall Street.
Speaker 8:Okay, there's two houses there. Um, right here, 440.
Speaker 16:Um, he's 440 and I'm 450. Right?
Speaker 8:here yeah, okay.
Speaker 16:There's 440.
Speaker 8:Right here, okay.
Speaker 16:My concern is. The next to me is that drainage I'm gonna call, call it amusement, I don't know what the drainage and water flow is on this. Constantly in the winter it's overflowing and I just want to know how this is going to impact us, because we're at that bottom. It gets really, really wet, it's drenched in the winter, it's overflowing and it keeps flowing. And they tell me it's my property and I'm responsible for cleaning it, keeping this clean. But if everybody's water just keep draining, I just don't understand. I'd ask the town if they would come and clean it. They told me I was responsible for it. Well, I really can't go out in the ditch and clean it out, but I just don't know how much more is it gonna affect us? Really wet back there in the dead of the winter, when that snow is melting, is overflowing. That's my concern. What they're going to do. They're going to keep getting worse, because that house is up there and I'm down there, he's down there too. I just want to know what the effect would be.
Speaker 1:Okay yeah, I mean, that's all stuff we're gonna. We're gonna look at gratings and um and everything. So that is all stuff. We will take into consideration contours and everything because you still can't get that water.
Speaker 16:It's going to be more realistically. It's going to be more Realistically, it's going to be more water.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, like I said, without diving into the project more than what's in front of us right now. We'll look at it all. We'll look at grainings, we'll look at all that. Go ahead, sir, with all that Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 11:So you can't change the hydrology of a budding property. So again, this doesn't require a drainage report. It's a single-family dwelling but again they're recharging their roof runoff so there shouldn't be. You know, when you guys are probably a few hundred feet away from the actual house, probably more. So I wouldn't expect that a single family house would have a single bit of impact to the existing drainage. The easement does run to the eastern side here and again that's the town's drainage. They decided to put that in and they dumped their water there. So that's really a town issue. But you know, when you develop any property because of state guidelines, rules and regulations, you can't think anything works for the apartment so the town owns that easily, or the buyer the town does yeah, that's something you're gonna have to.
Speaker 1:you know, go to a highway department and try to figure it out. Chip was cooking at a fire, gentlemen. Gentlemen, move it down. Okay, all right, thank you, all right. Anyone else?
Speaker 12:Oh yeah, I'd like to say something. Go ahead. Sir Alex brought the 440 Wall Street.
Speaker 12:Okay now the path that was cut by Irving Chickering was only a proposed path because I got the prints on it, but the thing about that is there's no physical site of an easement there whatsoever. The water comes down from Robinson Street through the catch basins into the woods, going to the east parallel to Hall Street. Okay, and now what the town recently did at my site, because all the water was blocked up with sediment, leaves, bridges, everything for 47 years. It was never maintained. Okay, then I can speak up and that's five, five by highway supervisors.
Speaker 12:Going back to Judith Christian when I started this date to get something permanent done there. But there was nothing there. The only thing that is reminiscent of a stream is from my six inch rake, keeping it clear and getting the leaves out and taking them to the leaf pile up at the transfer station. So I don't know what's coming on or what's been changed since, because it's water runoff from Robinson Street and possibly 138 that's coming down and running through onto the property that is being proposed here. Because I want to be included in this as what you mean? Yeah, as Norman been here already, not tonight. No, okay, because he's going to talk about what they did in front of my house.
Speaker 1:Oh you, I'm sorry you were the for your house where they did the drainage pipe.
Speaker 12:Yeah right, yeah, yeah, that was already done. Oh, okay, boy, that was quick.
Speaker 1:That was at the beginning of the meeting.
Speaker 12:Oh, okay, I get it on your agenda for being halfway through it. Yeah, we're quick, okay, but all right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:That was a brand new pipe they put in. Pardon, that was a brand new pipe they put in.
Speaker 12:Yes, but the other one goes to the catch basin 20 feet away from that that's clogged up, and goes across the street to the same inlet that this new pipe uses.
Speaker 11:Yeah, just so the Commission's, where this is kind of where that drainage pipe comes in.
Speaker 1:Yep anyone else, all right with that said, I think we have some work ahead of us. I think we need to schedule a site visit. I don't know if you'd like to be present during that site visit.
Speaker 6:I'll make sure Brad's there.
Speaker 11:For sure, brad Holmes. Okay, all right, our wetlands consultant. All right, we'll. It'll be more useful than me.
Speaker 1:We will get some dates together and email them to you.
Speaker 12:Sure.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, so would you like to?
Speaker 11:continue. Yes, sir.
Speaker 2:All righty Motion to continue. Notice of intent from Farrell, Wilbur Street, Map 1, Lot 97A, DDP number 2691073. Second.
Speaker 1:Motion to be made. And second second all in favor, aye, opposed. Thank you everyone. All right, whatever, all right. Oh, the last one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, yeah, um, thank you. Next up is the request of determination pickability for two to five for King Philip proposed public safety. They have sent a letter asking to continue until September 3rd.
Speaker 2:Motion to continue motion to continue motion to continue request for a determination of ability, locality to turn or two to five for King Phillips Street second second all in favor.
Speaker 1:Aye, both unanimous. You're here for right.
Speaker 5:Yes, I apologize, I ran into some car trouble. I came to the. We tabled it because we said we're going to be here.
Speaker 1:Thank, you, so we had a request for certificate of compliance yes, good evening.
Speaker 5:Mr chairman, members of the commission, my name is Deshaia Tony of, an engineer with MBL Lane Development in Easton. This is a request for a certificate of compliance for the property at 13 Broadway. This was originally permitted in order conditions for a duplex building with driveway in the front and utilities tying into the roadway mains, and this product was within the 25 foot buffer zone for disturbance in the building itself. However, there was previously a duplex building there that was demolished and this is essentially just an improvement of the existing building there to shift it further from the front setback, and that was essentially what was done as part of the final work, and that's what we're coming here tonight to request certificate of compliance.
Speaker 5:The building here was built exactly where we proposed, though any real variation as far as distance. The closest that the building is to the wetlands is 17.9 feet, which was exactly the same as what was proposed. Similarly, the limit of disturbance, which was just grass vegetation, got as close as 5 feet. That was proposed on the original design plans and that's around where we are now. The erosion control barrier was installed at the beginning of the project. It was maintained throughout the entirety of it. Now that the project construction is complete.
Speaker 5:We didn't know any real significant variances from the approval, so with that being said, I'll turn it over to the Commission with any questions that you may have.
Speaker 1:Mr Zulu, you reviewed it.
Speaker 3:Yes, so the issue isn't so much the location and the footprint as much designation of the area as well as the no district no work for that one beyond this area, because I'm not installed. So I mean, those are the specific special conditions. So this is not a question of, uh, moved over the footprint of foot over here, or this is a living area that says the project never would have been actually approved before, other than the special circumstance that I believe, if I remember correctly, there used to be some foundation there way back, remember, yeah, yeah. So that was the rationale for allowing that, but then it did impose specific limitations and that's not done. So I don't know you can, but I don't think you should be. You shouldn't have certificate of compliance for the specific item that we solved, so why were?
Speaker 5:they, so the history of this project. It's a little checkered. Originally, the project was approved in 2021 and the original applicant started the construction. They ran into some financial issues. It was taken over by another entity a few years later, so throughout that process process.
Speaker 5:That step was missed and did the post rail fence and the signs, as you pointed out, were not installed. So if that is something indeed that is an issue that should be there we'll work with our applicant to make sure that that's constructed and once that is done, I'd ask that, if we can continue tonight, if that is an issue for the commission, we can get this done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's not a matter of continuing, it's just the work needs to get done and then you need to refile, you know, stating that the signage and the fencing is in place.
Speaker 5:Understood Just as for a matter of the reason I'm asking for a continuance is just for a refiling would be a new filing fee, for I think it's 500. If we were able to continue, it could be, or even if we didn't, filing an application would be able to waive the fee potentially, since we already paid it this time.
Speaker 3:I think, because it's not a public hearing, there is no public notification of the products, no advertisement required. There's no need to continue. There's no need to continue. You can table it Right. When they're ready, they can come back and ask you to act on it.
Speaker 1:Maybe misunderstood my words when I say we filed we do the paperwork Understood?
Speaker 5:Yeah, we'd be happy to do that. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:So we'll table it as incomplete at the moment. Say we filed, redo the paperwork, understood? Yep, we'd be happy to do that. So, uh, we'll table it as incomplete at the moment, all right, and uh, you can go back and make the corrections and then, uh, when you're ready, refile the paperwork and, stating that everything's done and complete and Understood, go from there.
Speaker 5:Yep sounds good. Do the commission have any other comments or any other issues besides what Azu pointed out?
Speaker 1:Nope, that was it. Those are the major ones Understood, yeah.
Speaker 5:We'll definitely make sure those are taken care of Okay, all right, thank you.
Speaker 7:So I'll just take a motion to table it. Motion to table request certificates of the clients 13 Broadway D, b269, 1012. Second Motion to name second at the table this until corrections are made.
Speaker 1:All in favor Aye, opposed. Yes, all right, thank you, all right. Thank you, oh, for the pool. Next on the agenda is a motion to close the previous notice of intent hearing. We closed the hearing already. Yeah, we're voting to issue. I'm sorry, okay. New motion to issue for 10 Maple Street, dep 269 1072.
Speaker 2:Motion to issue approval for Norrisville 10, 10 Maple Street, dep number 269 1072.
Speaker 1:And that will be with special conditions, with conditions Second, any motion to be made Seconded, all in favor? Aye.
Speaker 3:Opposed. May I ask the specials that you discussed already, in addition to that, moving the shed, also no backwash of these sheds, so they will use it. They have to use filter cartridges. If they have to do a backwash, then they're gonna need a drain pit for that. I'll give you the language.
Speaker 10:Sorry, can I ask what a drain pit means, if we did a?
Speaker 3:If you have cartridge filters then you don't have any backwash issue. But if you have to drain the pool and do a backwash then you need a recharge pit to dunk down water so it starts going through the water.
Speaker 10:Okay, yeah, so is that something that we could install a drain pit? Pardon me, if we wanted a regular sand filter, we could install a drain pit for it. Correct, can we backwash to the?
Speaker 3:front yard. No, because you got chlorine Okay.
Speaker 10:And are we able to just use a silk sock instead of uh hay bales?
Speaker 3:yeah, no, no, no. Because of the back area, that's the one with the shed we specifically said double hand because of the how steep you do.
Speaker 10:Yeah, okay, so hey, those are the same, okay, good, yeah, anything else, or is that? Nope, that's it. That's it all right. Thank you, all right, let's go on uh, back to general business.
Speaker 1:Did everyone get a chance to review minutes from july 16th? Second bushman made, seconded. All in favor, aye, opposed, nameless.
Speaker 3:Before we go any further, that's the final version right Of the one on edits.
Speaker 1:Before we go any further, I just want to make sure we get these signed site. And while we're signing these, everyone just keep in their heads. We'll throw out some dates and give them to Amy to do a site work for Wilbur Street. Just keep in mind if you're gonna have more than three, you need to post it.
Speaker 3:I think you probably need that's when you post it. I think that's. That is definitely a very tricky one, and people are getting flooded, so you want to definitely look at it very closely, and especially if you already had a comment on it. Yeah, and it's the one that I can, because it has to be commercial.
Speaker 1:I have a couple of correspondence to read the SAVE program, the Romanis. She's been in the office being a big help to Amy getting the files situated and organized, and her husband's been out at Hewitt's pond. The trail is now over a mile in and out. He's stating, though, that there are very, two big, very large trees across the trail, around the back by the Forge River and ford river, and um grass and brush needed to be mowed on the trail but with that and we get the morning notes and I guess the one used to be a picnic table there.
Speaker 1:They got destroyed but he's hoping that we can get another one back there. And last week I received some information that somebody had done some illegal dumping up at Gushy pond. I reached out to the highway department and they notified me today that they went out there and cleaned up, removed all the debris. We also talked about maybe the police could put some type of monitoring system there or a trail camera or something, but they don't have the budget for it, but they promised to increase patrols out in that area to try to help keep it clean.
Speaker 1:Six months somebody's done something like this Seems like it is. It was a huge community project. Yeah, two years ago, yeah, we cleaned it all up. We had a big or on Earth Day, we had a big cleanup out there. We also got a complaint the other day from a gentleman over in Oxbow about something different. That is still investigating. But while I was out at Oxbow I was walking through the site and I'd probably say 90% of the hay bales line is destroyed, disrupted. I reached out to the project manager. I have not heard back from him yet. I would say give him a week or so to respond, if not probably a fourth. You know. So I'll keep you. Where's the obstacle? That's that what's gonna be a 55 off of Church Street.
Speaker 7:Up behind. I don't even think it's a 55, plus. I think it's Lug.
Speaker 1:Street. Yeah, I don't know what it is now.
Speaker 13:That's the one that was supposed to build. A two-axis, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me and you went out there and walked the Habeo line originally. Yeah, the grading is terrible. Yeah, it's got a lot of issues on down. That takes care of bills. This is not important. And the money. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Yes, okay, I'm going to put it in this. Anybody else got anything they want to add? No, no, site visits, oh, site visits. Well, I said that. Oh, okay, we'll email Amy some dates when everybody's available and go from there. All righty.
Speaker 7:Are you done signing? I've distracted you.
Speaker 1:Now, I'm done. Now, I'm done Now. Second Motion to be made Seconded All in favor, aye, aye, opposed, aye, opposed, unanimous, thank you.