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Sewer Commission 08/14/2025
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A critical conversation unfolds as the Raynham Board of School Commissioners grapples with infrastructure limitations facing their small town. The meeting reveals the delicate balance between maintaining affordable utility rates and accommodating growth.
The Superintendent's report highlights ongoing maintenance challenges, including the repair of a 50-year-old bi-rack at the Route 44 pumping station and the abrupt closure of the South Street East bridge requiring temporary measures to restore limited traffic flow. These infrastructure concerns underscore the ongoing challenges of maintaining aging systems while planning for future needs.
What truly sets Raynham apart from neighboring communities is their remarkably low sewer rates. At just $492 annually, Raynham residents pay nearly half the Massachusetts average of $933 and well below national standards. This affordability creates an attractive environment for new development, yet simultaneously intensifies the challenge of managing limited capacity.
The meeting reaches its climax during discussion of a proposed 122-room Wood Spring Suites extended stay hotel. The developer's presentation reveals expected water usage of approximately 14,000 gallons daily, raising significant questions about capacity management. With approximately 1,300 residences already approved but not yet connected to the system, the board finds itself carefully weighing commercial development opportunities against existing commitments and infrastructure limitations.
"We cannot guarantee something that we can't control," explains the board chairman, capturing the essential challenge facing small-town infrastructure planning. This honest assessment reveals the difficult position of municipal leaders trying to balance growth opportunities with resource constraints.
Have you experienced similar challenges in your community? The Raynham case provides valuable insights into how small towns navigate infrastructure planning amid development pressures. Follow our coverage for continuing updates on this and other municipal utility management topics.
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Good evening. I call a meeting to order for the monthly meeting of the Rainham Board of School Commissioners at 6 pm on this of, excuse me, approval of minutes from the July 10th. I will make a motion to do that. Minutes look good. I'll second the motion. So everybody is in tune. All those in favor? Aye, aye, aye. The vote was 3-0. Moved by Mr Bickel and seconded by mr keller. Correspondence, correspondence. Nobody writes us notes, good, bad or indifferent. Superintendents report. Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 3:Thank you very much. Superintendent's report for August 14, 2025. Under Department of Operations, we have had three connections to our sewer system since our last meeting. As you know, we had none previously to that the previous month. Before that, the guys continue working on easement clearing. After the storm a few weeks back, a couple trees had fallen and the easement located at King Phillip Estates. This particular easement runs behind the houses on Wampanoag Drive and down the railroad bed over to the King Phillip Street. The guys had already been through that area so they had to basically backtrack to remove that tree. The homeowner had come in and notified us that it had fallen. While cleaning the wetwall over at the Route 44 pumping station this past week, the guys encountered a problem with the bi-rack within the influent channel. The bi-rack has now been removed for repair and the channel isolated while repairs are being made. So this barack is.
Speaker 3:You've heard me talk about the muffin master before and how we replace that at the route 44 station is the main channel that comes in. Most of the inflow goes through that, through that muffin master. There's two wet wells here. You can isolate them separately or you can run them together. We run them together for more capacity. But it does have another channel which this bi-rack is at and that bi-rack is used because there isn't a muffin monster in that second wet. Well, there's a bi-rack there which is basically just vertical bars that catch rags. So every day the guys go there when they do the inspection of the station they have to rake the rags off and they'll throw them into the muffin muscle where they get ground up.
Speaker 3:But anyways, after 50 years the existing bar rack is made out of aluminum and has deteriorated away on the bottom. They removed it. We sent it over to LeClair Welding. He's going to cut the bottom the bad half, off and repair it Hopefully be done within a week. Brenda continues to work on the billing for the January through June 2025 billing cycle. That billing prep should be prepped up by the end of next week and turned over to Veda for processing. So hopefully early September they should be ready to be mailed out the guys will be attending a confined space safety course on September 9th.
Speaker 3:This course will be put on by Apollo Safety. It will be back here in the garage. I spoke with the water department today. They might be interested as well as attending that. Operator generator project. The old generators which were removed were auctioned off. As you know, the 8 generators brought in a total amount of $10,566. That will be returned to our retained earnings. Six of them have been picked up. Two of them are still sitting out there. The guy is supposed to pick them up next week. I guess he was setting his trailer up to be able to winch him onto it and he's from out of state. I'm not sure where he's from, but somebody stole the tires off his trailer. So it's kind of a delay to the battle.
Speaker 3:Taunton treatment bill. I actually know it comes up. Operator generated project. I just mentioned that. So taunton treatment bill recently submitted the fourth quarter treatment bill to the Town of Carlin, bill amount being $150,056.01. This amount will be in the coverage as it was for FY25. Route 44 pump control project. The contractor continues to work with Tyne and Bond and submittals and questions on the procedure for this work. So that's moving on slowly, slowly. They have a lot of questions. I guess they're asking for some new design plans, a few things that were missing, so they're gonna make some changes to that review meadows that King builders may possibly be proposing an over 55 development to be on South Street East.
Speaker 3:If approved, this will be located on the vacant land to the right of the existing Riverview Meadows 40 B point development. The preliminary plan shows a one-story building with 55 units. The parcel will be presented to the select board in the future. That might possibly be next week. If we were to move forward, it would then need to go to the town meeting for zoning change, so I think this selectman would have to support that in order for that to go to town meeting a three-story building and it's going to be an over 55 development here and it's going to be an over 55
Speaker 3:development. Who wants the third floor? Yeah, um 44 spare pumps. The pumps have now been lowered down into the bottom floor of the station. Dollars were fabricated to mount those pumps on for two reasons one for ease of stirring and moving into position once the pumps are to be utilized, the other being related to the warranty process. While the pumps iron stirs, the impellers will need to be spun so flat spots don't develop on the mechanical seals. A log sheet is going to be developed so they can record that maintenance as well. So then, as you know, that was a gift through APA. We made up pretty well with them. It's very good to have them on standby.
Speaker 3:So then, as you know, that was a gift through APA. We made up pretty well with them. It's very good to have them on standby. Rainham Highway Department projects. The Mill Street project continues to wait on Verizon. Feel bad for Norm. You've been waiting forever for them, waiting to relocate wires to the new poles. The Highway Superintendent has reached out to Verizon and TMLP multiple times trying to get this work accomplished. Norm spoke to the contractor and stressed that he would like to get the road work completed before winter, and the contractor did respond that he didn't give the available as soon as he's given the green light. The highway department plans on continuing with paving on Elm Street East from Hicke Drive up to Route 104 area. The schedule on that now is late September, early October. The only reason I mention that continually is that we'll be involved with some manual repairs as well. Route 138 construction the gas company has finally wrapped up its work on this project. The North Rainier Water Department has applied for a grant to help with the replacement and relocation of the water main on.
Speaker 3:Broadway.
Speaker 3:As you may remember the existing water main falls into the area where the TMLP was supposed to move their telephone poles over to, which they weren't able to do because of that existing water main. That's in there. Once they do that, this would allow the the again the theme of the new depots and for road widening and sidewalks. I'm not sure if they've gotten that grant. I don't think they get word on that. Yet another north main north district project was the burton street water main replacement. Other than the final trench paving, the contractor has now completed the installation of the new water main running from King Philip through the intersection of Broadway.
Speaker 3:So we were involved in that, as you know, with knockouts and that's a manual opening so the contractor could see in there. But that's wrapped up. South Street East old colony bridge replacement. As you are most likely aware, the bridge bridge has now been closed down to traffic. This occurred abruptly after the final report from the state indicated the failing condition of the bridge.
Speaker 3:The original notice stated that the bridge would remain closed until full replacement took place. After a meeting between the City of Taunton, massdot and Rainham officials, it was decided that a temporary repairs could be made to allow the bridge to be reopened to vehicle traffic, but to exclude trucks and buses. It will only be opened one lane with traffic signals on each side to cycle that traffic over the bridge.
Speaker 3:HM Lopes formerly known as G Lopes, as many would know it as, but HM Lopes has been working there with historic barricades, historic travel over the bridge, along with making preparations for the temporary repair, which I believe is going to be cement supports that are going to be pouring to help support the steel beams that are deteriorating there, and you'll see the road closure. On the left from that picture, a pump station. So the guys have to basically move one of them barricades, to get beyond that spot and then they get down to the pump station.
Speaker 3:The picture on the right is the ladders the stairway that they've built on both sides of that river for the guys to get down in under the bridge to do the work. I know HM Loaves with the work they've been doing over there, I feel as though they're finding more problems as they're getting into this. So whether or not this temporary closure stays temporary well, I think that's up in the air at this point. What's pine states? Uh, only known as leila? I had mentioned last month a couple of sewer main lines.
Speaker 3:They failed pressure testing on the project. The contractor did locate and repair those leaks, which turned out to be a couple of 45-degree pipe fittings within the sewer services. They were defective. Longville Homes is currently working with the planning board to get lot releases on the project. The next phase of development is still working with the planning board for a pool, or could possibly be in front of them, next to reserve Lockwood, the Rainham Riverwalk 40B project.
Speaker 3:This project was in front of the Board of Appeals on two occasions, june 25th and once again July 23rd. The developer has requested a project change to add an additional 18 units to the development. The Board of Appeals did grant 14 additional units, with some stipulations. The applicant explained that even though they were adding units to the project, the impact would be less due to the fact that they were actually reducing bedroom panels throughout the whole project. Ten of these new units will be market rate units and four being affordable. So with our fee schedule with them, you may remember that we uh, we were we were building them based on the pump stations that they were installing, but it was actually based on market rate units and divided between the pump stations. So they're gonna they're gonna get an increase in in their their fees.
Speaker 3:That's already been relayed to them also to note, the town is currently in litigation with the riverfront rainium 40b project which, as you know, is across the street from the lockwood project, double 24. And one other thing I got for you chairman benton court had asked me to reach out to um to update the sewer rates and the average sewer rates throughout our area, and I did do that and they provided us on the schedule. Thank you, yep, so the last one they did, I believe, was in 2014. In 2014, we're we're the lowest. Uh, we've climbed above brock, above brockton, but not, but not by much, so we're the lowest. We climbed above Brockton, but not by much, so we're the second lowest in this general area had 11 of the local towns, cities and towns.
Speaker 3:And another thing of interest, I actually Googled sewer rates, sewer rates. So the average sewer bill in Massachusetts, although it says, varies municipally and individual usage, but a reasonable estimate for a single-family home in the round is $933 annually and, as you know, we're're at $492, so we're pretty close to half. I think we're doing well throughout Massachusetts and, interestingly, through the US we are so through the United States. You're saying the average sewer bill is expected to be around $60 to $70 per month. We're at $41 per month. So I think we're doing well. I would hope our customers would agree. We do get complaints occasionally about about our sewer fees but honestly, the people that move into towns from other cities and towns always wonder how we're doing at such low rates. So it's the locals that because we have to increase our rates every once in a while, they think we're too expensive. But this study certainly shows differently. The study certainly shows differently. Excellent, you had it by county, by state and nationally. So it must have come from another country. Right? It really should be Right.
Speaker 1:It's on our website. Yeah, half of the people that picked it up on the website wouldn't understand what they were looking at. Can't help. We have done it many, many times. Pick it up on the website, we'll understand what you're looking at. Can't help. Thank you for that. We've done it many, many times. Try to explain to people. You know what was the median? The median average is 729, for the group that's he's showing here, 729. Okay, and I said we're in the 729. Okay, and I said we're in the bottom third. Well, brockton, they have a different way of building. Ascending is a different way. That's off the Water meter. We do not need a home. That's the difference. But we have been very careful to be realistic. Okay, thank you, thank you. Thank you for the work you do. You're welcome. I always pick on you, but I want you to know that we appreciate the extra effort you put into doing your job.
Speaker 1:New business Lot 35, commerce Way, wood Spring Suites, extend Stay Hotel. So we have an empty lot that somebody wants to build a hotel on.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, I have some handouts. I thought I'd share them with you and present the project and get it prepared. This will give you some information about what we're proposing. What's your name? My name's Greg Heflin. I'm with a company called Park Silver Development. We're based in Maryland. We develop hotels. I'm with a company called Park Silver Development. We're based in Maryland. We develop hotels across the country. That's the same one as the previous one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're proposing a 122-room extended stay hotel called Woodspring Suites. It's a national brand. There's about 260. There are 70 across the country. It's affiliated with Choice Hotels International, which is the seventh largest hotel company in the world. We are actually a family office of the Bainham family who founded Choice Hotels and founded our company. The Wood Springs Suites is, as I said, an Extended Stay hotel. It's like the Extended Stay America Residence Inn a couple other brands. We target Bainham as a good market. We've done a market study and we know that the market's strong for extended stay and transient hotel guests. We've done some due diligence. We're in the very early stages. We just got under contract to purchase the land less than a month ago, so we're doing our app survey and our environmental and whatnot.
Speaker 2:I had Bowler Engineering out of the Westboro office sketch up the plans that you're looking at, as well as the architectures from VRR Architecture out of Kansas City. They're the architects and we use them for our projects. We own two hotels, two wood springs, one in Orlando, florida, one in Asheville, north Carolina. We have one about to open in Delaware and one under construction, probably six months away from opening, in Algona, washington, which is a suburb of Seattle. We have nine more under development in various locations. We're in for building permit in Tewkesbury, here in Mass, and we just got planned for approval in Worcester.
Speaker 2:For the same time, as I said, we're in the very early stages of our due diligence, so we met with the town department heads on Tuesday with a pre-sub meeting, mostly positive responses. It's a designated development zone, so it propels us by right from a zoning standpoint and other issues that set back for anything you can see on that plan wetlandslands there are none Water. We met with John and he gave us a clean bill for the 12-inch mean in Connors Way. Sewer seems to be the only sticking point where, as I understand it from Rob, we probably are going to have to have a grinder pump with a force mean for the manhole in Connors Way, just because it's three feet deep and we're so far away we sit a little higher but probably don't have to fall to get into it by gravity. And then Rob shared that there's a capacity issue, or at least a question as to what our flows would be versus what you guys are allocating. So I thought I'd present the project tonight, have a discussion I'm looking for feedback from you, if you care enough to share and then I'd like to understand what the process is going forward and how we might secure some kind of idea of what you're willing to do.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry if I missed many rows 122. Yeah, so I shared with rob, um your flow calculation. 155, I think you told me. Yeah, 354.14. So the information I gave rob was um, our Asheville North Carolina property. That's the oldest property. We have water bills back.
Speaker 2:We've owned it for about a year and a half, but it's been running for about 15 years. We bought it from the management company that we use to manage the hotel. So they have water bills and data and I can provide more of that. The water company does not bill us on a, doesn't show a daily peak flow, so I have to figure out how to get that data. But the information I gave Rob was based on water usage there and then we just opened our Orlando hotel about a year or so ago, so there's some ramp up period where our occupancy is a little bit lower, so I don't have exact good flow, but that right now is flowing at about 9-800 gallons per day. How many units? Same building we built the same building. Travelocopy building. Yes, it's like a little bit simpler.
Speaker 3:You guys are using low-flow fixtures, and what not?
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, shower heads too. Yes, Water consumption is one thing for the water department, but for the sewer department we have a capacity limit for part of the regional system that the city of Taunton has and we have X amount of gallons per day allotted for our use and the GAP keeps doing this. We're always concerned and what amount of residents that haven't died in yet that have already died. We have approximately a thousand residents 1,300?
Speaker 3:It's a little over a thousand, Bob 1,300 if you include the developments that are being developed at the 40B projects and what not.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, there's 1,300 residences that are going to hook up. And because they're in the works. They would really have, rightfully, the right to have the sewer first. Yes sir, okay.
Speaker 1:I have been working for a number of years to try to get our capacity increased. They have not been able to come to a workable arrangement. The rain hand we're telling anybody who comes in. We have a capacity. We have to be very careful. You know You've got 122 rooms. That's like, in essence, 122 houses. It's not the same but it is, you know, an opportunity for more sewage. So we're very cautious about that Right now. I'd say we would just about be able to squeak it in with what our other obligations are. All right, but I don't control that, so I can't guarantee. We cannot guarantee something that we can't control. So we just cautiously advise that right now you could be okay, but who knows how long it's going to take those 1,300 people to hook up and any other expansion. As you heard, if you were sitting here, a gentleman wants to put in how many 55 or 55, you know 55 over 55 units and that's not a one, a one-room house.
Speaker 1:It's multi-story the way he's projecting it. But there again, it's there and he'll want to come in and get the sewer. Okay, the same. So if you buy the land and you meet all the necessary requirements and the numbers come together and you say yes, it's a feasible job for us to do, then I'd say we're not going to say no, but just caution. You timing is critical and I've been fighting with them for way too long. But we at the moment we have the capacity to handle what you have proposed to Bob and we defer on his ability to come up with the right fee that you work out with him and then we go from there.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about an I&I fee, and then we'll talk about connection fee.
Speaker 3:Right, so an I&I would be $1,100 for a bedroom or you can which is like $1300 per bedroom, or you can, which is like $134,000. Yeah. And then there's the commercial development. Commercial fee for the property is $29,000, and change you get a 2.96, so it's $10,000 per acre. 2.96, so it's 10,000 per acre. 2.96, yeah, that's right. Yeah, plus 29,000, a change on that.
Speaker 2:Okay, yep, that would be it. That's doable.
Speaker 3:Of course the connection is up there too. We don'twe're not under force. Main orone concern I would have, as you know, that manhole is shallow. I think we looked at it.
Speaker 3:It was two and a half feet, the invert Two and a half three feet, yeah, so if you're going to run a force man, you're probably going to be holding water at that end. Possibly you may need to insulate it or some sort of. I don't know if you could chase that pipe down further down the road further, but I think you looked at that that day and then we would have changed the grade.
Speaker 2:that much so um, when we looked at your plans, I think it was a foot deeper in 44 yep. Um, I'll run it to where you asked me to run it to. Yeah, whatever makes sense, it's probably another 50 feet sitting back here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that manhole 44 is going to be three-way it goes across, goes down this side of 44, and then a promised way. So there's not much room for you to do much in that manhole. You may have to put like a dedicated manhole just before that one to flow into it, but it's something we can look at. Unless you feel as though you can do it by tying into that shallow metal and insulating it. Then it's certainly closer.
Speaker 2:You know I'll have Bowler look at it and we'll come back to you with a plan, yeah, and figure out what works best for everybody involved. Mm-hmm, that's fair, sounds good. I guess I'm encouraged and happy and thank you for the feedback. I am a little concerned that we get all the way to site plan approval and spend a bunch of money and then something happens where we don't have capacity. But there's no guarantees in any jurisdiction anyway. So I take what you said under advisement. We're very interested in the project. We love the site. It checks all the boxes for us and it fits and the market's numbers are phenomenal, so we're really excited about being here. So I guess if we could correspond on a regular basis and check where we are and say, wait, something happened and we don't have any capacity, you've got a real problem, because I'm guessing you're not going to let me buy sewer capacity when you hook up.
Speaker 2:When you hook up, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Again. The other question again to go back on is the peak flow. The reason I keep asking for peak flow is because your peak flow is impacting two of our pump stations. So if you average flow the head station will handle, but your peak flow the station won't, then I'm in trouble. So I don't think we're going to have a problem if the pump station is only running two hours, four hours a day. You know cycles on, but at total four hours per day On the first pump station and the other one's on main station.
Speaker 3:so but that's why I keep asking about that peak fall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will call the water company and book locations and see if they'll read the meter more regularly, or at a certain point.
Speaker 3:So I believe at least I know the local water departments their meter setups now can actually, I think read that for you.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping that ours the other, the water department told me they can actually tell me what I turn my faucet on.
Speaker 3:If they look at my record, they have some sort of a way that they can see a spike in what I'm using.
Speaker 2:I track all this information for meetings such as this, so we'd like to know as well. I think it's easily obtainable.
Speaker 3:At least I know the departments around here. A lot of departments around here told me that's the way it works.
Speaker 2:I'll look into it and get back to you soon. I'm sorry. Did you say Asheville was 98 gallons a day per unit? Is that what you were? 9,800. 9,800, because the whole thing that was one 122. So, I'm sorry, orlando was 98, asheville was 14,000. Okay, so Asheville was the one that has been open longer. It's full.
Speaker 1:Correct With the name recognition and all that. It's full every day. Yes, really, 14,000 by 1-2-2.
Speaker 3:So that's 114 gallons a day in Asheville? Yeah, that's about right. You have three in there 150. That's about right. You have a premium? Yeah, $150. So one thing I know the building inspector asked you was about an extended stay being labeled as an apartment he was questioning are these going to be considered apartments?
Speaker 2:Okay, so I get that question a lot and the simple answer is we're a hotel company, we're a zoned hotel. We have investors that invest in hotels. We are apartment developers. We don't have apartments, we don't lease, we rent. If you don't pay your bill, you get locked out. There's no rights to your residence. There's there's no residency um. The price fluctuates on a weekly basis or daily basis. So I mean, it's a hotel that operates as a hotel, do you?
Speaker 1:have a maximum stay.
Speaker 2:We don't have maximum stay. So residents in Homewood Suites, hilton, marriott they're average length of stay on an extended stay basis is about four nights a month. We're about 11 to 15. So we have some transient people that come through and stay because of the location for a night or two and move on. But we cater towards. You know you're coming in for training at Johnson Johnson and you want to be there for 30 days or you're there for six months but you go home to Jersey on a weekend basis or something along those lines. That's our guest Visiting nurses, tons of visiting nurses, military people coming in for an infrastructure project it's really a mixed bag of guests. But at no time do we let people stay in perpetuity and no one signs the lease. We make reservations or they make reservations and we honor the reservation. They can leave tomorrow, they can leave next week they can leave next month they only want a daily rate.
Speaker 1:They'll own a daily rate.
Speaker 2:We'll. We'll quote them a weekly rate, but we won't put them a monthly rate. Weekly rate, but we won't put in the monthly rate Because the rate's fluctuated If we fill up, just like every other hotel. Boston's a great example of you pay $1,000 at the residence inn per night because it's full. We don't charge that amount but supply and demand.
Speaker 1:the third and fourth floor mirror image to the second floor is not showing.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was just curious on the handicap rooms for the second.
Speaker 3:You know, beyond the first floor, we'll surprise to see it. It's not so a question at all, but I was just surprised to see it. It's not so a question at all, but I was just surprised to see it. Do you consider, you know?
Speaker 2:transcending stairs or whatnot? Or do you use the elevator in the event of a? So they use the elevator in the event of an emergency. Our stairwells are an area refuge, so the fire department has to come get them. But most of the roll-ins showers, so people in the wheelchair stay on the first floor. Those accessible units could be hearing impaired or some other type of quote-unquote. Just an observation, yeah.
Speaker 3:One other question too your SOAR Force main is going to be basically dedicated to the motel. Typically, when a development comes in and they have to do a pump station, whatever, the sewer force main's in the town hall and the town becomes responsible for that pipeline. I would like some sort of agreement that if there's an issue with that force made, it's still the motel's responsibility.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'll take that under your button, but that doesn't sound reasonable. Okay, honestly, I'd be knocking on your door anyways, but I just wanted to have that in writing. Possibly the only fly in the ointment there would be. The town comes in and does some road work and busts the force main.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that would be aside from that. I mean, this would be basically like freezing, or maybe the pipe breaks on its own or it clots Just like on the property. If the pump goes on, I own it Right and I'm saying if somebody hits it. That's certainly out of your realm. But if it's a problem with whatever they're putting down the toilets and getting through the pumps and the clogs of pipe work I wouldn't want that to be the town's responsibility.
Speaker 2:We can work that out, yeah, so I'm sorry to ask a repeat question.
Speaker 3:Sure, but before I ask the repeat question Asheville, using the low flow showerheads, water, all of that? Yeah as well. Okay, and that was 14,000 gallons a day. Yes, because they're the most established. Yes, okay. So 14,000 gallons a day times 365 is 5.1 million gallons a year. So yeah, just making sure I'm doing my math right.
Speaker 2:Sound accurate. Yes, okay, thank you. Is there any other questions or concerns? No, go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, it's just capacity, because Joe was doing, he was checking the capacity. How much do we have? How much room do we have? We can't control the volume If you have a leaky faucet and nobody knows it until the following month and you see a water bill went up $800 and you don't know why, well, that water just went down through the system and ate up some capacity type of thing. The reservation I've given you is just capacity. I cannot guarantee more than what we have and we watched that. I'm not going to tell you I got a hundred thousand gallons a day to play with because I don't. Okay, we check it regularly. We've got three new hookups. That's now. It's not 1327, is 1324, it's something. And if you come in with this again, you know that has to add into it.
Speaker 1:So once this is operational, I didn't think good way to say Joe mathematical origin.
Speaker 2:Mouth is in good conscience. We just want you to know and be upfront. Capacities are number one concern. It is number two in my. Yeah, understood as it, as it should be. Yeah, I think we just continue to talk. It rubs, wouldn't it be a little bit generally?
Speaker 1:speaking, I would say we. I think we could take it to units without too much difficulty, but if you take two years or three years to build it and finally get it open, three years from now, who knows?
Speaker 1:Understood. You know what a 40B program is in Massachusetts. Yes, sir. Well, we're in court with another one. We're not in court, the town's in court with another one. We had two 40Bs come in. What's Broadway? 150?, 240. 240 and 138. Plus another. Okay, as is proposed. Unfortunately they got through because someone had forgot to upgrade the numbers and we had already reached our 10% capacity, so we've got these.
Speaker 1:we're now beyond the 10% capacity so they can't get another 40B come in. But we wouldn't have gotten both of those if everything had been kept up to date. We would have had less capacity concerns.
Speaker 2:If that didn't, happen. Yeah, for sure, but we have it Okay. 114 gallons to me Seems a little high, so Pretty unique.
Speaker 1:Yeah, does it ever swim in cold? No, sir, it does.
Speaker 2:No, it does not Okay. No restaurant, no food and beverage. People don't come to vacation there, they come to work or relocate.
Speaker 1:I was just talking about the one in Florida, not this one. Florida does not actually Okay, because that's a consuming thing too. Evaporation you gotta replace the water.
Speaker 2:You know, and it all comes out of media. Yeah, nashville does not have irrigation, Orlando does, but I don't know if you guys noticed, but they have grey water down there, so it's not. The bottom one right, yeah, cool.
Speaker 3:You mentioned there's six washing machines Six For the Guest laundry, guest laundry and two commercial For the whole place. Six, yeah, good, and then two commercial, yes.
Speaker 2:And they're all close to the same meter so they're not separate, okay. So that makes a little more sense. Yeah, I mean it's kind of exponential in some aspects. I mean the the more, the more we're full when more two bedrooms get used and and so there's a double the amount of showers and and double the amount of laundry, and so that's why I like to present the actual numbers, because I know that it's full, I know who's there. Um, I know what we're using because I don't want to be. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:We appreciate that very much Well look forward to you coming back with a formal situation that we can take action on. Thank you, I appreciate your time. Thanks for listening. Thank you very much your time. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2:thank you very much rob, thanks for all your help today. I'll get back to you on the information you're asking for that. That's good see where it goes. All right, thank you. Thank you for the drive safety. Oh, don't want to litter. Yeah, thanks, guys.
Speaker 1:Oh, don't want to litter. Okay, thanks guys, I'll do that. Thank you, okay. Any old business no, no. No emergency business no permission business. Any public forum no press time. Any observations, any questions before we go? No, no press time. Any observations, any questions before we go? No, thanks, a lot Good.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Some are winding down. Yes, it is. Unfortunately it's winding down. It's getting warm before it gets cool. All right, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn on the purpose of doing administrative work only so moved Second. All right, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn for the purpose of doing administrative work only so moved. Second. All those in favor Aye, aye, aye. Motion to adjourn by Mr Bickel, seconded by Mr Keller. The vote is 3-0. We are adjourned at 6.43.