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Planning Board 10/02/2025
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A stalled site plan meets a firm clock. After eighteen months of drift, we confront a project that can’t infiltrate stormwater on-site and now proposes piping runoff off-site through a neighbor’s land. The idea could work—if the easement is real, the basin is designed, and the highway department signs off. Without those pieces, it’s a promise on paper. We push for specifics, listen to frustrated abutters, and set a non-negotiable path: re-notice, deliver a complete design by February 19, 2026, and expect a vote by the statutory time to act. No more last‑minute continuances. No more sketches in place of engineering.
Then we pivot to what right-sized planning looks like. A long-vacant, 65,000-square-foot grocery store on Route 44 will become a Greco Ford service and wholesale parts facility. Same curb cut. Slightly smaller footprint. Marginally less impervious surface. Clear hours, safety upgrades like bollards at the new glass frontage, proper floor drains with an oil‑water separator, and realistic expectations around light commercial vehicles and parts deliveries. It’s adaptive reuse that adds jobs without adding sprawl, and it moves from hearing to approval with straightforward waivers and a clean certificate of action.
This conversation lays bare the tradeoffs that shape local growth: drainage that actually drains, documents that actually bind, and hearings that respect the time of neighbors who live with the results. It also shows how a community can welcome investment when details are nailed down and impacts are managed. If you care about stormwater, easements, timelines, and the quiet power of reactivating dead retail, you’ll find a lot to think about here.
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Okay, we're on the air at six o'clock. Uh October 2nd, 2025, uh Brainhand planning will be here. Um you can uh come here in person or you can watch it live broadcast on Comcast Channel 98 or Verizon Channel 34 for uh audio and video and also minutes are being taken. Um I'm Chris Gallagher, I'm the chairman to my right is Anthony Nicole. To his right is Pam Ben Tony, uh member uh to her right is uh Matt Andre, uh associate member. To my left is Bert Fountain, our vice chairman, and to his left is Brian Oldfield, our planning board member. Um like I say on every meeting. Um if any uh topic of conversation comes up, like a public hearing or anything like that. Um I read if someone reads the meeting notice if it's new, or if it's not new and it's continued, we open the hearing. I speak, I might read some correspondence in, you know, say my piece or planning board meeting individually if they have any input prior to handing it over to the applicant or his representative. Um they will identify themselves and they will present their project and come back to the planning board, through the chair, and then through the other members. Um only when I open it up to the public and the public speaker in all cases, whether it's public or applicant uh unless I specifically invite the applicant, I want to see a raise of hands and I'll get to everybody if anyone's gonna say they have to come up to the mic or uh state their name and say their comments and keep them brief and we'll try to address everything that's in front of us. Uh the first thing we have on the agenda is the minutes of September 18th for 2025. Make a motion to waive the reading and approve the minute. Any discussion for hearing none, all in favor? Okay, the next thing we have is 6014, it's 539 Southwest Street East of the site plan. Um we have a letter from the store department from Robert Harry for um, and he has a lot of concerns, mainly this waterings or oil water separated. So there's a six departments that need to be addressed for the steel commission before anything gets final with us. Um I spoke earlier at the highway, um, but he's on vacation, he didn't put anything in writing if he had some concerns as well. This meeting this particular project that was first submitted in March of 2024, over a year and a half anyway. The initial design has a design. I don't know if anyone has already done a roll. Does anyone on the board have any comments on this or before they're right? So our associate members allowed to have any point. I'd like to have the applicant come up with a white book as representative and representative knowing that initially all the drainage was kept on site, which didn't work. We have a sketch plan that came in. Um is nice, but I mean is there easements? Is there things of record? Is there anything that would make this move forward? Or is there just we're trying to get the easements? And it reminds me of a particular project once in Bridgewater where a subdivision got approved. And it was all promises of off-site drainage. And they never got permission, so they built the thing and wanted everybody. But um, I don't want that situation here, so all the docks need to be in a row and kind of getting impatient with this. So the applicant's representative wants to come up to the mic and explain to us what's different and if any of these things have actually been addressed.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, thank you, Chairman, members of the board. My name is Ed Brandon. I'm an attorney with the Office of 174 Dean Street Time, representing the applicant. Um, and I do acknowledge that it's been some time since the initial proposal was submitted, uh, and the realization after the soil tests were taken that the water could not be handled and contained on site. So uh you may recall, as Mr. Gallagher said, uh we had to then explore possibilities of solutions as to whether we're going to take the surface water, take it off-site, and handle it correctly. Uh that was a process uh very successful. We have a signed letter of intent with Mr. King, who's down the streetaways to do the uh L2 itself. Uh and there's an easement going down the side of this property, the middle of this property, uh, a 50-foot easement who's uh given us permission to design the system to go down through that easement and into the debt detention based on his property, which will likely be coupled up with some future development of his property, uh designed initially. So that did take some time. Uh I made requests myself for the continuance on this uh several times, and they were granted. And while we had the continuances, we were working to come up with a solution of this. So as you can see from the progress plans that I study, uh we now have a solution to surface water on the site and disclosing it down the road by typing it over to just a key spot. Um we call the site uh 3.24 acres proposals of uh storage units or contracting type storage units. Um Keith is the principal of uh American investments. Umber and Keyser are the engineers, the civil engineers on the project. They are both here tonight to explain in greater detail than I can uh how the engineering on this project differs from what it previously was, but it's pretty clear that it's uh a major difference in uh taking the surface for off-site instead of trying to do it again with it completely on site. That was uh one of the major concerns that the board had at the time. I think we've come up with an engineering solution to that. Uh we have uh Mr. King, as I said, uh before that easement can be recorded, the plans have to be approved by the town. Uh that does not mean you need to be built before the user is in place. And that is work to be done on Mr. King's property as well. But this project can be designed and approved by this board and then built in conjunction with Mr. King's project. So I think it really is an issue of engineering. Uh so I'd like to turn it over first to uh uh Mr. Solar to give you an overview of how he and his office has designed this project to handle the water once.
SPEAKER_11:As far as the issue goes, you're saying you can't do anything until we approve it and disagree. Everything in place. So approved. But it can never be anything built the whole thing. And even so, I mean, I'd like to see a little more than a letter of the hand. So we don't have that on the record that we put the letter of the hands anything. It's been a year and over a year ago. So a year and a half to get a letter of the hand or something. We'll hear about see what they have to say. This looks like a sketch. Um I know the highway hasn't seen anything right, but he didn't like the idea of putting the drainage by the driveway on something on the end of the road. So I think as well. So from him that's gonna come to act as over 16. So the letter of intended soldier is going to put up something.
SPEAKER_07:We're gonna progress engineering plans in the state that they're in. Uh nothing was done until we got the end of the soils, and uh, if I recall correctly, you were present during that.
SPEAKER_11:That was like, I think it was two Jun ago. So that was well over a year ago. Maybe we have a letter of intent. And this is a progress sketch plan where typically you'd come in with a design plan when you submit a site plan instead of you know this is something. I mean, usually you have reduction roads for it when you submit the plan and you don't spend a year and a half trying to figure it out. So I mean, it's it's been a year and a half.
SPEAKER_07:Well, each time we were never each extension was granted. It was I didn't know that the board was going to cost you to deny it because of the time frame.
SPEAKER_11:Well, I mean, it's usually typically we have someone come in with a site plan and it goes through a brief iteration of a couple meetings and it's done. A year and a half is a long time. It's a long time, you know, and it's a long time to have nothing done to continue it say we've made no progress. Well, we have well you have and it put over a year and a half. You got a letter of attempt, that's not much progress.
SPEAKER_07:Well, I'll let Mr. Silver explain what he's put on the plan because he's more uh qualified to do that certainly than I am. Um it took some time to get to the table with Mr. King. It did. Um, but we did, and we've come to an agreement.
SPEAKER_11:So do we have anything in writing? Do we have any evidence? No. We have nothing in writing. So this is the same thing that happened on the bridge order, John. There was nothing, it was promised, and the thing just you know got built, and there was no I I don't know how this how it got I don't know how that project got built that the range was in final form.
SPEAKER_07:We will present that to you in final form. Does the concept the concept of us running this surface water down on the King's property, which originally I understand the major concern of the board was how to handle this surface water and keeping it off of Substreet East, what we're proposing to do resolves that issue. It resolves that problem. Does the board agree or disagree that this addresses that issue? I understand it's not final engineering plans, but if we build this as shown on the progress plan, that will address the problem that was raised by the board, the major problem.
SPEAKER_11:Well, there's no doubt that if you build something that just charged all the way quite to the river, it's going to work if it's designed properly. There's no question there. And that's not the issue. It's just, is this a sketch to buy yourself some time because it's been a year and a half? Is it going to smoke up my spirit or is it real? You know? So, I mean, I'll let Larry present this, but I mean, you don't really need much of a presentation to know if you pipe the thing 2,000 feet down the river, it's going to work if you have a properly designed basin. So this has to still want the full review from our guy if you have something, and he's not going to review a draft progress, and friend, you'd have to have files designed to go to review for our guy. You'd also have to have highway be on board with it, which I don't think they may not be now.
SPEAKER_07:But uh well, my first goal was to make sure the board was comfortable with us taking the water from the site and putting it down on King's property to detention case.
SPEAKER_11:That was the first step. We looked at this uh uh over a year ago and said we were okay with it, just so we had to get it done, nothing's happening. We have not been seen this before, doesn't even show picking up anything off uh South Street. Yeah, so there's there's a lot of hurdles that typically get done during a design review that's internal to the town hall before it comes in front of us on a planning board meeting. In other words, typically you'd have something that is more like a final design and then present it and submit it as site plan instead of playing around for a year and a half.
SPEAKER_07:I mean well, we haven't been playing around.
SPEAKER_11:This was proposed like this was you know, you were trying to do this over a year ago. That's not true. Yeah, it is. If you would think this was talked about well over a year ago.
SPEAKER_08:It was discussed over a year ago. It was discussed that there was the possibility of securing adhesement from Mr. King in order to be able to handle flow from the site. Isn't that what I just take it off site? Yeah, that's what I just said. Okay, so but it was discussed. That is outline is that it that it took a while to get the excuse me, stop right now.
SPEAKER_11:Um Ed has the floor down. Yeah, if you want to get up, you can cede it to Ed State your name for the record. And I'll turn it over to Mr. Silver. And if you get you know overly worried, I might ask you to stop if it's not going to be.
SPEAKER_07:Quickly to address uh field point the right now, this would address any runoff from a client's property on the South Street. That would be resolved. And then where the water, where the catch basin is going to be set up, where they turn and go onto King's property, it would pick up some road water, road surface water at that point, too. So there are there are two points where the town would benefit from this design.
SPEAKER_11:Well, I mean, it's yet to be gone through the highway, it's yet to be gone through the review. So we're this is simply a sketch. Uh Larry, you can state your name for the record and explain what this is happening because you do have people that in the audience that want to see it. So if you have anything you could put up and show them, do you have any full-size plan to show or anything for people in the audience to see where the where this is going? So that is that Riverview Meadows. Is that what that property is that's King's? No, no, next door, or next door, the old Levy farm.
SPEAKER_07:You had a comment on the two points where we can pick up and improve Self Street Eastern.
SPEAKER_11:Well, I don't see any uh drain. I see the drain going down through people's driveways. Why not out in the road? You know, you're gonna have to take an easement from everybody going down the road.
SPEAKER_07:You know, it's all in the roadway layout, but I think you might better quickly address the case.
SPEAKER_11:That's questions I have. Yeah, it's in the layout. I know this didn't bike through the highway because I don't think they want it in the driveways. But we'll you know, let them give us a brief presentation, you know, keep it brief because we know you're just gonna pipe it down the road, pipe it down towards Tonka River, put some sort of base, and explain to us what the goal is. And again, this is a draft progress. So it's a conceptual design, is what you're explaining. So, name for the record.
SPEAKER_08:James Lawrence, Larry, uh civil engineer, professional engineer with Silver Engineering Associates offices at 1615 Beckett Street in Bridgewater. And the reason uh why we wanted to bring this before you is that after we secured um the intent to be able to uh get an easement through uh King's property. If you recall, in the when we were having the problems with being able to contain everything on site, the mood of the board was that even if we could contain it all on site, that you still wanted to have an outfall for it because you didn't want to have any possibility of just a straight overflow on another tree. So that's why we went in the direction of trying to get the easement from Mr. King. So that process, not an easy one, takes a while. Once we got an intent from him, then the idea is here is to translate what it was that we understood that the board wanted to have us do and to show it in this format in order to be able to get the feedback so that we can take the detailed design step and make the you know changes to it and provide more detail in order to take us to that step so that you can review it as you know for the site plan. So we understand that there's more work to be done here, but we want to make sure that we're both on the same page in terms of where where we're going with this. So, what we've shown here is that we've we've taken the two areas that we were doing infiltration on the site, we provided for outlets from those two areas, but we're we're bringing them together, we're bringing them down South Street East, uh in the right way. Just to clarify your question there, right? In the right way. Okay, and then across the roadway to the entrance to the King property. Now, this is not the one that's already developed, this is one that is a future development for Mr. King. So we'd be providing four catch basins up at the top of the street, which as the hill goes down, this this provides somewhat of a benefit to him because now that drainage can be handled. He doesn't have to chase that drainage way up the hill in order to bring that down. Um and so we'd be bringing that water from the entrance, which will be picking up water from substreet east, and then bringing it down. And then what we've got to do is, and we're coordinating with him right now, is to have a drainage basin that will fulfill his requirements and our requirements, and they would cost share in terms of uh the development of that basin. But we didn't want to take that next step, Chris, until we knew that we're all on the same page in terms of where we're going with it. So um, does it lack all the details for our final plan? Absolutely. We don't expect that the board's reviewing this as a final plan, but we're asking that we get feedback so that in doing that final plan, that we take into account all the issues that we've talked about in the past to make sure that we're all on the same page style.
SPEAKER_11:So to do this, you need a full design on King's property to design this basin and all the drainage. So, what's King proposing? So there's another site plan that we have to come before us.
SPEAKER_08:So there's two ways to do that. One would is for us to design our basin on his property with the understanding that it will be enlarged later in order to you know to uh accommodate what he's going to do with a separate approval from you folks at a later date. But we understand that that's one area that we've got to make sure that, and that's gonna require conservation approval for that drainage outfall as well. But as you know, we've got different parties involved here, so we want to make sure that we are going in the direction that we're all in agreement that that's where we wanted to go, and to make sure that we don't have any more missing steps in trying to go get to the finish line.
SPEAKER_11:I think we were in agreement of going in that direction. It's just nothing's gone there in a year or so, so nothing's happened. So, to me, you have so many factors here for a final design. You have King's land, you have your land, you have whether the drainage is in the pavement or in people's driveways, which I don't believe the highway wants on that way. Um we need to it's almost to me that you should withdraw this thing without prejudice, get your deducts all in a row and get your design. But I don't necessarily come back so you can renotify everybody. Well, because you're giving us all these factors to your design. You're a proposed roadway without a design. You don't know what King's is happening with Kings. Um, does he have? I mean, nothing's been in front of us. Is that a 40B or is that a site plan? I mean, we don't know what's going on there. King's is a site plan? Uh my saying it'll be a site plan. Okay, that's not an extension of Riverview Meadows or the 40B. No. No. So what is it, a multifamily? No, I think it's uh speech it's a future development.
SPEAKER_08:Future development.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, so we designed, we designed the basin.
SPEAKER_08:So so we designed the basin so it accommodates what we've got to do. So if in doing it we make it a lot larger, and then when he comes in to do his work and he and it doesn't meet what he's gonna need, he's gonna have to enlarge it further. But we're gonna try to make sure that that doesn't have to happen. That we're gonna size it with the worst case scenario for what he's gonna do and make sure that we've accommodated that we don't know what he's gonna do. Well, that's what we're in the process of working with him right now. To make sure that we can make it a size that's sufficient to handle both what we need and what he thinks he's gonna need when he comes in. But if when he goes through the same process when he comes in later, then you say, well, it's not, it needs to be a little bit bigger because you've got both projects, but he's gonna have to demonstrate both of those, but we're gonna try to minimize that now so we won't have surprises at that point. Because he wants to grant an easement, but he wants to make sure that it's not going to be a pertinent hit later on. And we understand that you have to we're not asking for you when we get to this final uh chapter, but we're not looking for you to issue an approval without a condition that says that that easement is in place.
SPEAKER_11:I mean, it's a condition that says maybe you should design it after we approve it. I'm sorry. I just think you have too many variables, and it would be better to withdraw the thing, because it's been a year and a half, withdraw it without prejudice, get all your act together, come back, redo the process, request waivers and fees, and do it that way instead of like because you don't you have a letter of intent, supposedly, that we haven't seen. Um, so we have this alleged letter. Um we have we don't know the size of the base because we don't know what he's doing. But we could design it for us, but he can deal with it later, which he probably won't want to do. You don't know how the drainage is going to go in the roadway, so it may not be practical. But you have a lot of variables. So before you don't interrupt the real ladder. So I think that I would feel more comfortable that you came back with something so we're not jerking around for another year, because it seems like you have a lot of things going on. Um and if you withdraw it without prejudice, I don't see the big deal that you resubmit, re-notify. We probably waive the fees, but we're gonna have to have engineer review because it's looking you've got a whole new design, kind of at least drainage-wise. Um but I think you're far out there, and I don't feel comfortable leaving a site plan wide open forever that's far out there and has too many design parameters that around around certainties. I mean, I'm just speaking for myself with the rest of the world.
SPEAKER_08:But I think my response to that would be Chris I haven't got a problem with uh when granting a continuance and when we come back with that set of plans, that we do notify butters again so that we don't lose anybody along the process. So that they all everybody is aware of where it is at that point and re-notify at that point.
SPEAKER_11:Uh I don't understand what we're gonna continue this for six months, eight months, and wait till you get all this stuff going. What's the difference between just withdrawing it and resubmitting it fresh when everybody can look at it anew? Because your drainage on site is different because now it's not I mean your drainage didn't work from the get-go. The first day I looked at it, I said, this isn't happening because I know the seed soils out there are hard as anything. Um, and it proved that you know I was I was correct on the set of assumption, and so it has to go elsewhere. Okay, so you're going down the road, down a property, and it's been over a year to get a letter of intent. I mean, you'd think it would be a little farther along instead of saying this guy's difficult to deal with. Well, if he's difficult to deal with, it took this long to get a letter of intent. I would say my grandchildren would be going to college by the time they're not even born yet by the time you get the easements. You know, I just it it doesn't make sense. It just doesn't, to me, it just doesn't, you know. And I don't see where you'd be farther behind by withdrawing and coming back when you got everything going. I mean, right now it did the only people that would get it, you know, you guys would be fine because you just keep it open. You know, it'd be the people that come in, it would be us, it would be Maureen every every time we go to have a meeting saying it's okay again. I mean, it's getting old. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the rest of the board thinks. Uh I'll ask. Eric, do you have any thoughts on this?
SPEAKER_09:I think a withdrawal without prejudice start with sentence. If you add another that way, you would continue out since we have Brian, what do you think?
SPEAKER_08:I'd like to see more and uh you know the drainage and meet with highway to make sure that it can go there if you put in the road or if it works, and uh I'd like to see a letter in our hands, right? And like Chris, get the ducks in a row.
SPEAKER_11:And I mean, uh that's you know, because you're gonna have to go over the South Street East to get to Doug King's property, that's right, you know, yeah, and maybe down the road, put a drain here or there on the side to catch some of the water, not only in front of his driveway going in to his property with the east went. You know, stuff I'd like to. What do you think about you know getting out of here and coming back when you got things get done? Yeah, that's what I say withdraw and come back with a brush. That's another question I was putting out of the and the reason being, I mean, typically we have a site plan comes in one or two meetings and it's done. You know, this is unusual to stretch something out this long. Uh but typically we have one or two meetings and it's done. Um it's unfortunate the initial design didn't work, but it didn't work, and we probably should have said pull it out now and come back when you've got you've got something that works. Um it's just not fair to everybody, you know, except you guys, but it's not fair to all. How is it on this agenda?
SPEAKER_08:Give them three months or two months? That should be plenty.
SPEAKER_11:It's already been a year and a half.
SPEAKER_07:I mean, I am in agreement with the rest of the board that the withdrawal might be in the best interest, but I do want to point out this does alleviate the issues we had in that first meeting many, many, many months ago. So I do like where this is going, but it is making very important time. Um I've never submitted something. I don't know what the withdrawal process and resubmission would be. I kind of like the idea of getting a hard timeline to act. Kind of might make everybody happy. Instead of just like draw and then uh kind of where I stand, maybe some hard timeline? A couple months, two months, two months. Should we add everything docks in a roll, right?
SPEAKER_11:If it does go that way, I'm gonna suggest a few conditions with and I think the hard timeline uh is reasonable.
SPEAKER_06:Um I don't like the idea of going on a verbal or a lot of intent. Um you'll you'll never see me on verbal anything. Um, I'd like more feedback on the timer department, but in terms of your timeline, um I can understand the frustration for the arguments to have some lingering, um, but maybe a hard timeline would be somewhat of a compromise and take it from there. If there was a situation where there was a withdrawal and back, you talked about weight in the fees. Who did Charles if the fees are waiting? We'll talk about that.
SPEAKER_11:That was the reason I suggested that that was a good faith of withdrawal.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I agree with that. So I I would stand under I need a lot more information. I stopped the writing, never wrote the night. I'd like input from norm, and like you said, the timeline. Hard deadline is probably a good idea. Um, and if it is the situation where you can talk about these, you know, I think that's not a properties.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, we have to put the answer to it. I think from the beginning that it was the major concern of the abutters and making sure the runoff doesn't I you know I would say, Fred, does the runoff now still runoff onto your property? Could dry. Couldn't dry. But I mean we have the running. Yeah, so I mean, I'd say the largest concern, whether it sits vacant or it sits with buildings, if the runoff is still affecting the adjacent abutters, I think that the problem needs to be solved regardless. So I think the feet need to be held to the fire so that whether it sits vacant or it sits with buildings on it, the water doesn't affect the abutters, because that's the whole reason why we're here.
SPEAKER_07:So you took a fire with that thing.
SPEAKER_11:No, and I remember you know, Matt, you know, been involved with this since the beginning, and you pointed out uh some of the issues with the neighbors. This whole side of the streets had a lot of drainage problems. If that's the case, and I'm gonna still open it up to Annie about it as if you don't have anything left to say. Um I would suggest perhaps three months, four months, maybe you tell me. Well, you're gonna because you're gonna have to get this through Norman, you're gonna have to get it through the review engineer, you're gonna have to see if there's funds available in the account for the review engineer. Um I would like as part of continuing it this long, I would like to renotify the abutters because it's been so long, and I'd like to renotify them of a hard date that we're gonna do it. And if you're not gonna come in, then you're gonna have to give us a couple weeks notice that you're gonna continue instead of this you know day or two before the meeting. Um because that's been repeated, and like I said, typically a site plan, we go to you know a first meeting where we get it to the review engineer, uh they talk to the other engineer, and usually a second and at most like a third meeting, and we're done.
SPEAKER_08:Not too many sites don't have uh either some resource area or something that we this is totally operating if everything is.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, I know that, but if it's kind of in other words, this worked, so should you should have submitted something with a design that worked. I mean, the first day I looked at this, I said this isn't gonna work. And I saw it as being problematic, and and that you would have to do this piping it down the street.
SPEAKER_08:But there were pockets where soils were good, but in general they worked. Um what I'm hearing is uh possibly four months with notification letters, and uh what I'd like to be able to allow for is to have meetings with the town officials so that we can hash out those other things in the road of meetings.
SPEAKER_11:We always have uh pre-meeting, you know, meetings through our planning coordinator, the highway, the water, the sewer. We they have them down below before site plans come in. So we have all these things addressed, that's the whole point of it. But we do have pre-designed pre-designed meetings. So this is three months? Can you get it on your design? No, I'm asking.
SPEAKER_08:I'm just thinking with the coordination with the the coordination. Can we get it done in three months? Yes, no, no. Four months will give us enough time to have your engineer involved and the town, the town folks involved. That's what I'm just thinking that that extra month, the fourth month will make Remember, December, January, so sometime in February.
SPEAKER_07:So what happens hypothetically if the four months is up? We're nowhere further.
SPEAKER_11:Um when well first if the four months is up and there's nowhere further, then I think we're gonna have to tell me to withdraw or without prejudice, but we deny it. Because we're now special permits, so site plants have T. Right. They don't, you know, but you we can deny it, and we have plenty of reasons to deny it, we can bring it to the support. But uh four months. I'd say four months, and if not, I think the denial would probably be bad because they don't want to withdraw, so we have to do it, do it the hard way. Four months. That's it. And and notify mothers also. Notify abutters a month before. Typically, whatever your normal typically you notify the abutters, then a couple weeks later you have the meeting, right? Two or four. So minimum of 14 days.
SPEAKER_02:So probably two weeks.
SPEAKER_11:So between three and four weeks prior, uh they have to be notified February and and if it were towards the I know that I uh I uh commitments up to the 14th of February.
SPEAKER_10:Anytime after that, would you find it? Absolutely.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, how about a screw at that point? That's not what I heard. About the 19th of February. So we'd like the notifications to go out the last week in January.
SPEAKER_07:Notification that was renotified as per the statute, so there's no confusion about the 14 days. The statute lays all that out, so if we be notified as per the statute, that everyone's following the same course.
SPEAKER_11:And if you are going to continue the meeting, we need to know there is no continue.
SPEAKER_08:We won't we won't there'll be no continuing if we're not ready to do it then, then we'll be submitting a withdrawal. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough.
SPEAKER_09:So and this meeting we're scheduling this for February 19th.
SPEAKER_11:That's the third Thursday. Time to act should be after that. That's good picked up for it. Yeah, but why don't we do a time to act till March 28th?
SPEAKER_08:And if we need a letter for that to that effect, then you have a lot of yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Rebecca raised a good point. So when we when we come back for the next hearing, we'd be notified the abutters as per the statutes required. Um even if we come in earlier, we're ready earlier than that, we still have the notice provision. Um what if we're ready early?
SPEAKER_08:Yes. They're ready early. That's I just don't want to mess the abutters up knowing what's coming. I don't think you're gonna be ready early, but why don't we just stick to that?
SPEAKER_11:Okay, that's what I just yeah. So we're ready to do that. We need a letter requesting a continuance of February 19th and 601 with time to act, and that's 2026. Time to act March 28, 2026. So that's what we need tonight before you leave. Yeah. The engineer to have our engineer. Yeah, Maureen will get a hold of you if there's outstanding fees that need to be paid prior to that, but if we're engineering review, or if the county needs to be beefed up a little. So while you guys are writing that letter, I'm gonna ask if anyone from the audience wants has any questions or concerns.
SPEAKER_07:One more point of clarification before you turn it over to the public. What if we're ready early?
SPEAKER_11:If you're ready early, then you still got to submit it to the engineers and everything else. So this is the date we're sticking with, and that's it. If you're ready early, that's great. But uh early. If you're ready early, you can withdraw and resubmit and get another earlier date.
SPEAKER_07:Would we why don't we just notify the fotos if we're ready early?
SPEAKER_11:Let's just stick to this date. Let's just stick to this game. You got your work cut up. You're not gonna get the thing, you're not gonna be finally ready for that one. You have four months.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_11:But we'll wait until any of others may have concerns before we continue this and we'll get your letter in front of us. And Maureen will be checking the funds because if they're not in place to there, we'll be talking about it. Um you don't have to stand up at the phone. No, I do.
unknown:Can you lift me up? Okay. Uh quick flaw, C5.5.
SPEAKER_02:He we're gonna real with Doug King. Doug King wants to build some more cars. No, I was talking about I'm afraid. I think they have the rezone now. Is that gonna put a range of the car? That's what I thought. That's gonna be resolved. So that's you'll come out with a four month or whatever. You don't know what Doug King's gonna do. That time.
SPEAKER_11:No, that's why I'm saying it's such you have so many wildcards. You know, I want to design a house, but I don't have the foundation dimensions. I don't know how many bedrooms are going in there, you know. I don't know, I can't design a septic system, you know. I haven't got a street bill yet, you know. You know, I mean exactly.
SPEAKER_02:If he doesn't get what Stump King doesn't get his own change.
SPEAKER_11:What does that mean? Well, that's why I was asking. What's he planning on putting there? Because uh I think that's business zone. Yeah. So if that's business zone, you can't have a residential subdivision. You can build a house, but you can't have a residential subdivision. Except for a 40B. Except for a 40B, and that's why I added that's about the 40B. And so there's, and that's you know, although everyone thinks a 40B goes through planning board, that's our for all this development. The 40B is zoning, and that's out of our hands. That goes through zoning and selectment, so we don't even have any set. Right, but I think the uh 40B is they're at 15% of this. Yeah, maybe. So if you're one house shy of your 10%, you can come in with a thousand units. And and that's a building permit clause, so I've had a few people that deterred it different than I I've I've been involved in cases before. It's a building permit clause. So the building permit has to be pulled on all the ones that apply to your temperature. You know, you want you insurance.
SPEAKER_02:That's how we kind of approve that's how we do it.
SPEAKER_11:And he still has some actual 40 approvals there, but the stuff that he has is all 40. That's right. I think all the stars that were created on that control or something. But yeah, there's some hurdles.
SPEAKER_02:And you know the water, the basins, the basin's at the end of the card. The water soldier would be one in the front of my house.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah. Well, that's where highway comes in, because they want to put they had talked about it. Ironically, I worked with the old highway superintendent last week at Buckley. Buckley's the one at first uh he wanted it. Right. And I talked about it, but I went to relieve the person on it, the job in highness, and it was it. And we talked about this job with him that he originally wanted the drainage of the road, the pickup road, drainage where you are on the house. So that's why it's gonna go to review the highway to our engineer. Go ahead and mention the same thing. So we'll see what happens on February 19th. That's a vote and that's uh Lorraine.
SPEAKER_03:I just have a question. Um, I heard Mr. Brennan say who he was and Lorraine Nicholson. Okay. I heard uh Mr. Brennan say who he was and his walk from the right, and he said he was representing the applicant, but I didn't catch the name of the applicant. I'm not gonna say I I didn't hear him say.
SPEAKER_11:Anyone else? Um if that's the case, I'd uh wait until we get a letter requesting anyone some time to act before we make a motion.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I'm making a motion over here until February twenty nineteenth, two thousand and twenty-seven. So that you can receive in the uh two months twenty-eighth, two thousand twenty-seven.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, so we're just awaiting the letter. I don't know, Maureen, you have a form for that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:We won't let our build so we could side.
SPEAKER_08:Well then Maureen has actually form so you can put it in actually simple for thank you for your patience and we'll we'll do everything we can be done.
SPEAKER_11:I'm not gonna close this till we get that later until I go on to the next year.
SPEAKER_06:Did we set the time on that last one?
SPEAKER_11:Time to act much more. Yes, Matt, you're coming in with a building that's already built.
SPEAKER_08:Are you suggesting I should just do as builds from that one? Yeah, you should just do as builds.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, so we just need that letter, but um, the next one is a public hearing. It's the first public hearing, 36 New State Highway, Greco Ford, site plan. Um Clerk Anthony Foley's gonna need a public hearing notice.
SPEAKER_07:That mainly better than Mortal Time Hall, but the elementary application approval by special code to convert grocery store into an automotive bike manufacturing service, wholesale parts distribution. Access of the site, lighting utility is landscaping, and the majority of remains unchanged local property 30 hours, like application is limited by four remote. A copy of the application and the plan are available for you, but office and usual.
SPEAKER_08:Any person wishing to be heard or interested in the original time?
SPEAKER_11:Okay, do the um so that when I leave there, it's still horseful that's been quiet down back there. Um just to the house and that's gonna have to be. This is my bag. This is the old stock and shop building. It's gonna be a you have never done anything. Truck parts and whatever else we'll do us in a minute. Um I don't have any uh correspondence from any departments, so apparently no departments have any concern with it. Um it's an existing building, existing parking lot. I reviewed it, drainage isn't gonna really change. It's uh the building itself is gonna shrink a little in the back uh South Street West. So that's really the only big change I saw, except like the front is gonna look a little different. Um, we're gonna redo the front of the building, the rear is gonna a few parts are coming off it, and walls are gonna get moved, so it's gonna become a smaller building what's there. Outside of that, I didn't see any significant change. Um anyone on the board uh look at it and have any comments or if I have some questions after the presentation.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, Brian. I just have uh you're gonna put floor drains in. So you're gonna need an oil water separator.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, Matthew. Matthew, Matthew, you can sit in on this at site plan and special permit. Okay, hearing no comments. This one's relatively important to get left. Could the applicant or representative get up and let us know what's happening?
SPEAKER_10:Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Bob Forbes, Zena Consulting Engineers. Um I just said this is the old stopping shop building located at uh 36 uh New State Highway. Uh it's on a parcel that's about 6.22 acres. Uh Disney Building Fort Prince is about 65,000 uh approximately 500 square feet. Um access to the building, as you probably all know, is from Route 44 New State Highway, and there's a uh signalized uh there's traffic signals out here right at the end of the site that uh that are still there. The building is currently vacant. Um most of the site, as you can see from the existing conditions plan, is paved or building. Um and just let you know there's a water main, one of the town's water man is running through the property down here in the east. That's the west side of the property. The orientation of this north is in that direction on this plan. So um as far as the proposed use of the facility goes. Uh this is for Greco Ford, who has an existing um car dealership in town, and um they are proposing uh lightning interaction service and wholesale passengers distribution facility here. Um the the footprint of as uh Mr. Gallagher stated, that uh it's a little bit hard to see here, but this portion of the building that stuck out is being removed, so the building is getting smaller by uh over a thousand square feet. Um access to the new building is going to remain exactly the same. The main access is going to be uh here from Route 44 with no change. We want to note that there are a couple of uh access drives out to South Street West that are knocked off the change. Uh utilities to the building, all of the utilities are gonna remain unchanged. And we're proposing to uh light the parking water with all the existing lighting that's out there. So you'll see what are the waves we asked for the lighting planes. We're not we're not proposing a change of anything. Um as far as the drainage goes, all of the drainage structures uh remain in place. Um and we actually are adding, we're we're removing a couple of islands here, these three shaded islands. Well, this one's just gonna be truncated a little bit to get access to the front of the building, and I'll show you why later. There are going to be some overhead doors in the front here. And uh, but we're adding an island here, and the net difference is that we are decreasing the amount of impervious area on site. So we're not changing any of the drainage controls, but there'll be neglected uh there'll be a slight decrease, a negative, negligible decrease to drainage on the site, the runoff on the site. Uh as far as site design changes, again, those three islands are being removed, is going to be uh this dashed line projecting from the building is this proposed canopy uh drop-off area on the side of the building. And again, when I show you the picture of the building, I'll go over that quickly with you. Um in order to do that, we're reconfiguring some of the parking spaces. We're not extending, we're not changing the limits of the existing paved areas. We're just restriping to you can see that down here there was an access aisle on the outside, and now we're putting parking spaces on the outside of the aisles here. So we we we have all of the required uh parking spaces required by zoning, and that's um you may recall this this board saw uh an AR plan for to cut out this parcel over here, which is known as lot two on this plan, and all of the parking spaces required for this property are contained on lot one. So as of right now, this these two parcels are in. Similar ownership, there's way more parking than what we need, uh what we need there. Um that's pretty much it. I can quickly go over some of the uh what the building's gonna look like, but I'm gonna pass it off to um Jeff Benavides from Paynes Group here, and he's gonna go over this in more detail. But this is that this is what the front of the building is gonna do. So Route 44 is over here, and you're looking at it, this is what you're gonna see. Uh, this may look similar because it's basically the same entrance that's there now for the stock and shop building. Um, and then there's gonna be overhead doors in front. This is that canopy of the drop-off area that I had mentioned to you. Um is basically really the only sight change that we're proposed. Um and Jeff, if you want to let you guess see what the place is gonna look like.
SPEAKER_01:Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the board. My name is Jeff Andrew's pain's group, 385 West Street, West Bridgewater, Massachusetts. Uh, for those that aren't familiar with the building, this is what it currently looks like, current state. Um really all we're doing structurally, the building stays structurally as is. We're basically ripping off the facade. Um, these cables come off, uh this roof area here gets framed in. Um proposed elevation is 50 new dock doors here along the front. As Bob mentioned, the existing stopping shop entrance stays maintained here. Uh, really, the only big construction that we're doing outside the existing footprint is this canopy for uh drop-off and pickup of vehicles on the other sides of the building. Well, let me take back as far as finishes. This is all the metal siding, uh, corrugated metal in the dark, and then the flat metal siding, and then the uh obviously the blue here for Ford Pro for the branding. And the side that faces uh east uh towards the Hopper Freight building. This is the side view of the canopy, and we basically cut in another overhead door on this side. The balance of the building will stay as is, uh, with the exception of removing those appendices in the back. Uh but the CMV will be scrape painted uh with a new paint.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_11:I'll set the only comments I ask, and this might be more for the engineer, with the form A plan out of the parcel. I'd imagine this is probably still more than means parking then. Yes, that's that's that parcel. If that parcel was gone, you still have more than meat parking per PETS.
SPEAKER_10:That was exactly where we meet it as far as the zoning goes, and zoning is more than what we needed. So yeah, we meet zoning as far as with that lot too taken out of the way.
SPEAKER_11:So I understood. You're not doing anything with the entrance that's going to bring up any mass highway, anything. Nothing, nothing's happening there. Okay, that's all I had. The only thing I see you have a bunch of waivers here. Are they listed on your plan or anything? Yes, they are. They're on the cover sheet on the code sheet. Okay, I'll get to that after.
SPEAKER_09:Uh Bert, anything? Well, I'm curious. Um, we have a Ford dealership down the street. How is this different from that one?
SPEAKER_05:Uh members of the board down at Breco, Breco Ford. Um, this is going to be a repair-only facility, so this will not be a sales facility. We've expanded our service capacity tremendously. We're servicing many municipalities, Brockton, Fall River, New Bedford, and we just don't have the capacity at the existing location. So this will be a service only with pots distribution. So we do all of our wholesale parts out of there, we'll do some retail parts out of here, and um it'll be basically just service automobiles.
SPEAKER_09:How many parking spaces do you actually need?
SPEAKER_05:Depends how busy I am. Hopefully, all of them. I mean the idea is obviously when a vehicle comes in, but the size of this facility will have 45 service base. We'll have 25 new mechanics we're gonna add for this location because we already have mechanics at our current facility. So we're gonna bring new jobs to the community. And with repairs, it's unlike sales, these cars come in, we repair them, and they go back out. They don't sit there. Cars that are sitting there, that means we're not doing our job repairing them. So the turnover and the spots, unlike you know, typical maybe car dealerships that need storage space for new car and new car inventory. This is a different type of use. Car comes in, we repair it, goes back out, another car comes in, repair, it goes back out. We just keep turning those popular spots.
SPEAKER_09:This is for regular passenger cars mostly.
SPEAKER_05:It's mostly commercial. Passenger will be um housed out of our main location on 1651 New State Highway.
SPEAKER_09:How big are commercial truck?
SPEAKER_05:How big are they? The biggest truck I think is 13.6 all out on the road and 20 feet all this is more of um transit vans, dump trucks, you know, that fit on normal lifts, not gonna be anything, not nothing like the I think it's ATG, the freight line isn't peeable, so that's not what work, that's not what our business is. Our business is for product, you know, the Amazon vans and you know, police cars, um you know, uh stuff like that. Okay.
SPEAKER_07:Can't things like that. One of my biggest questions was cars only or trucks, but just for commercial sized vehicles. Um doesn't answer the question. The overhead doors that are going in, the islands are being removed so that the trucks can swing in because that whole parcel could be something. There's still enough room for them to swing in. Then the canopy, uh, cars are gonna be dropped off there. I see on the plan there's a new sidewalk being proposed as there's ballards on the on the plan in case people be walking along the sidewalk. I just want to make sure this is cost company. Yes.
SPEAKER_10:So are you talking about right there? Yeah, we don't we have we don't show any wallets, but we can we put blowerlets in there?
SPEAKER_05:I put yeah, enough that's now in my current facility. We're gonna put something in there, low lighting, you know, that's just the glass. Right.
SPEAKER_10:No problem. I would be happy to do that. There are some wallets around the back. You know, like correct space correctly.
SPEAKER_06:Okay, then um, yeah, what's on the back of the building? I think if memory serves the back of that building, uh faces residential homes. What's your plan for the back property?
SPEAKER_05:So the rear of the property will be mostly employee pocket in the rear. So the back of the building's gonna remain the way that it looks actually a lot cleaner because we're actually taking off where they have that because it dumps the chute and multiple overhead doors. We're kind of cleaning that whole back kind of a mess. We're gonna keep um three three overhead door existing um drop off, so that's when we are opposed to the parks come in at night, and then we'll do a mobile on the other side of it. So currently there's like a couple of like old little mobile hangs there, and then there was meat, meat freezes and stuff, and that's what we're taking off there, some old freezes that are attached to the rear of the building. So we have no use for those and then they kind of crack it. So we're taking those off, we're cleaning the back up, we're gonna block the rest of the building, and obviously paint paint the whole building. So this rear parking will be employee parking. So at night there'll be no cars.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_06:And did you just say wholesale um late night?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, when they drop off the parks. Usually they come, it depends. Sometimes they come at night, sometimes they come in the morning.
SPEAKER_06:What does night mean?
SPEAKER_05:Does it mean 11 o'clock?
SPEAKER_06:Um what if it's after 11?
SPEAKER_05:There's a commercial zone, yeah. They usually come at either 10, 11 o'clock at night, or sometimes early in the morning, five o'clock, depends on different pots distributions. Sometimes they come during the day. We have multiple FedX and UPS, usually come during the day, but sometimes the the four pots they get they drop them off either at night or in the morning, depends on what their route is. So we live right here. We live comfortably, we have the parts drop off right now, and I'm right next to residentials. Closer than this, there's actually no street abutting where I'm at now, and I have residentials all around me, including a new condo project that's right behind me. And trucks come in. They don't typically back it, but they come in, they'll do their thing, and they'll leave.
SPEAKER_11:That's what they think of all the big trucks all the way right now, right?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and I've never had one game call and complain saying that if there was an issue, I would address it with the neighbor and maybe do a drop-off in the middle or the front or something. So I don't think it will be drop-offs all time to stop the truck.
SPEAKER_00:I only had a qu I only had a similar question about hours of operation. If it was going to be extended hours, meaning that it'd be service or commercial.
SPEAKER_05:No, it's actually um where we're participating hours are Monday through Friday, 7 to 7, and then uh Saturday 7 to 5, and then right now we're participating being closed on Sundays. But everything's you know in-house, so there'd be no you won't hear anything that we're doing because obviously everything's in terms of.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I just didn't know if being in it was commercial, if you were gonna run extended hours to service.
SPEAKER_05:No, no, not at this point. We don't have any anticipation. 7 to 7, Mondays for Friday, I think is enough time based on the size of the facility to get what we need to get at the end. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_11:There's nothing else. We've prepared a certificate of action. Um there's some waivers, I'll read them. Um if any of the board members uh have an issue, starting at the end of the visit. But uh, and these are all on your plan. Um, let me know.
SPEAKER_10:What I provided for my afraid it was exactly these are the sheet. Um, instead of you read, I'm just gonna read it off. You get good glasses. I actually blew it up right here. Okay. I don't want to read it off the plan. I'd rather read the floor. These are from the dollar store if you need them. So the first one's a waiver to allow locus map to be at a scale of one inch uh one inch equals 500 feet. That's just the uh locus wind that we show on the coverage. That's section 4.1AA. Correct. Uh second one is a waiver from the requirement to show all curve cuts within 300 feet of the property, and that's section 4.1 B. Waiver from the requirement for a traffic impact study. That's uh 4.1 V. V is predicted. Uh waiver from the requirement to provide a three-foot-wide landscaping strip along foundation wise. That's article. Of course, I chopped it off, so I now have to. Section 5.2. Okay, thank you. Okay, just jump on the issue. Uh and then the next one's a waiver from the requirement for a development impact statement. That's four section 4.15 and 4.10. 4.15, I have. Yeah.
SPEAKER_09:We have section 4.1.
SPEAKER_11:I think zero is called zero. Okay.
SPEAKER_10:I trust a lot more. A waiver from the requirement for a photogrametric plan. And I have 4.21. Is that not correct?
SPEAKER_11:4.1U. Um, we'll have that looked at prior to signature.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Chris, the numbers change to letters only for the point. Oh. So you guys have the rights. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_06:The match.
SPEAKER_11:You just you have your rights that have been updated. Okay. Um, so entertain a motion on approval of the waivers as read. So move. Second. Second. Discussion. There are none in favor. Aye. Uh I make a motion we accept the certificate of action with, you know, I'd entertain a motion that we approve the certificate of action that's in front of us with the addition of adding a number 12 that ball is uh put along the sidewalk on the west side of the building. So discussion? All in favor? I think it should all be like that. No continuous. No nothing. Thank you very much. This is gonna be corrected, and then at the time signed, we can get all the more. Oh, yeah, yeah. Before you go, um, we might want to make a motion to approve the plan, and I don't have one in front of me with a title box. Um maybe get one to Burke.
SPEAKER_09:Motion that we approve the plan and site plan 36 State Highway Rainham, Massachusetts. Owner applicant, RECO on loading group. Plan date is August 28, 2025. Okay. Sorry.
SPEAKER_11:Discussion? All in favor? Uh aye. Okay, the vote will be brought up. Thank you. Okay. Did we have any other invoices builds out there or that we have to do the accounts there was other bills that were blown around? Yeah, one schedule and two builds on two readings. Oh, that was in the checkpoints. Uh they were all together in the middle. Oh, okay. I saw that. You saw that. Um shortages. Do I have anything for that? I know no, there's nothing there. I know we have a substantial shortage. Uh uh, I'm not gonna vote on this one, but I know there was a substantial shortage between taxes, review fees, all this other stuff. Um, so I defer to uh Maureen for what accounts you're talking about, and then I guess probably hand over to Bertha what Monita suggested that you put in.
SPEAKER_06:I mean, basically it's just over at this point. The snowflow account logic review account and outstanding taxes.
SPEAKER_11:Bob, I agree with one of the other stuff, but you had sent out an email that suggested how much should we put in those accounts, I believe.
SPEAKER_06:Well, I would think that's up to$90,000 right now.
SPEAKER_11:That's just sure. Sure. So you need to put in more than that, right? Right. Because you know we have some outstanding bills to GPI, that and there's no money in the account to pay them, and there's a ton of more work to be done out there.
SPEAKER_06:I am looking at old accounts that he has to see if we can move some of those close as old ones. I think he has a lot of accounts.
SPEAKER_11:I'd like to keep them separate.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'd like to keep them separate. Well, but that one might be finished, and you also permission to transfer it over.
SPEAKER_11:Yes. Um, do you involve want to take care of that? I'll just go. Yeah, I'm working on that now.
SPEAKER_06:We'll have a review involved in that.
SPEAKER_11:Okay. So we won't deal with the account shortages right now. Project review account closings, that was with the uh invoices and bills payable, that was all and all that. We voted on all that. Okay. So we'll get another closing. Broadway seven twenty twenty-one die twenty twenty-two. Okay, um corresponding the only thing I had is a rod that I five thirty-nine planning forward and roughly. No. Um we have plans to be signed right. Okay, so public comment input. We had Lorraine Nickerson um sent the email. Um I wasn't being difficult. I just wanted we have correspondence, so you know people typically send us like a letter and we discuss it with an email time. Um there was an email that said um wanted to know uh the procedure and process of continued public hearing. Um the debacle that happened earlier uh witness here. We don't usually have these continued things like this. Or uh we usually have things uh people that have their act together more than a witness. But typically what happens is we schedule a public hearing for this is how the process works. We open up the first hearing, Anthony reads the public notice. If it goes beyond that first hearing, uh then we uh tell everyone there will be notification, no more notification for the next hearing or any subsequent hearing. Um call the office is the best way to do it. So there's no notification for any future hearing. That's just how the lawyers and that's how the notification process works. When we schedule a future hearing, uh little plan before we meet two times a month. So people don't send to all of us when there's a continuance that goes into the office. They generally sometimes you know notified Maureen board and a long time before the hearing, sometimes they don't give us much time. Sometimes somebody gets sick, sometimes they're waiting for our engineering. Sometimes we're waiting for their engineering. The board itself isn't pretty for what's going on in the world. Forty-eight hours before someone else. When you bring it in, goes to our review engineer, you use it, go back to your engineer, they read and it's honors and changes and we're done. But typically that's what our process is. Someone asks for a continuous agenda for 48 hours, it's required by law. And we get a continuous generally honor. And nobody can get notified. At this day and age, everybody's got a phone no matter what they're doing on them at all times. So that's kind of how the process is. And if anyone has any suggestions that thinks we should do something different, uh you know, put it in writing and get it to us, and we'll consider it. We'll all look at it and view it. But right now that's what we do, and that's how it goes, and that's how it's been going. Uh, we this is unusual what are you gonna stuck, you know, read in a project like this that's continued, but we're looking out for your best interest, and that's what we're doing. And the work they put in is unacceptable, and that's why you know it's not like I don't know if they're trying to award attrition, but it's unacceptable until it's acceptable, we're not gonna act on it. Um but that's how our process works, and uh you know that's why I added the caveat with them tonight. If they're gonna continue it, they're gonna notify us like a week or so before. But I encourage you in this case or any other case or any other person that's going here, don't be afraid to call the office and find out. You know, call in the morning.
SPEAKER_02:I say so. No. One of the meetings I can't see Maureen downstairs, and he had just canceled just before the meeting started.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, well, you know that beasts to a deal with it, unfortunately. That's it. No, I'm just reading that y'all. But you just didn't. Maureen, a lot of times, puts it on the website and she told me she she forgot to put this on because I think she had a lot going on today or so before the reading. And our only other thing, but we don't really have another option. I mean, they continue it. We can deny it, or it's not over, which you know, I'm not really against that. And that's really what I wanted to do tonight. Um, but we're giving them one more shot and a few extra things as notification goes. If they don't have it on that shot, they're not just toaster. But that's unusual. I'll open it to public input. And you can still call me whenever you want. Okay forever.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. I just want to say I was already set at the August 21st meeting because he said that Mr. Brennan canceled that. You read the letter the night of the August 21st meeting. So, I mean, what about I mean, he was very inconvenienced. What about people have to get babysitters and stuff to come? And like you just said, they've been continuing this all along. I think it was sometimes for some tough love there on August 21st, instead of right away being very accommodating to continue it. And he didn't even say he wanted the later October meeting, he wanted the earlier October meeting, and then I noticed he's put on first, they're not here at 7.30, me and uh Mr. Blaski are there no convenience ever on their part, the applicant's part. They weren't inconvenienced to August 21st, they weren't in, they were not inconvenienced at all tonight. I just don't think it's right that people that allowed to. That's not asking for that's canceling in the last second. That's not asking for a continuous totally different.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, no, I think that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_03:It's something, I don't know what the answer is, but something should be done. I think that they're I don't know, I think that they just and then you know they're like huffing them, puffing them over there, and and also on another note, Mr. Brennan's up here. Mr. Silver comes up, that Larry Silver, the engineer, he did start talking and talked for a little bit before you came down with him. If I come up here and I don't say Lorraine Nickison right away, he'd be telling me to sit right down. So yeah, they are treated a little differently.
SPEAKER_11:No, they typically do. I mean, that's Larry. Well, whatever case in Bridgewater, because he got up there and he proposed the exact same situation. Where I got the food from all this, I got this, I got that, and you know, Frank Ludien wasn't a developer, he was windowing and he built the thing because he's told to do it. And then, oh, geez, you didn't have this, you didn't have that, so where's the water gonna go? And now everything's built.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they don't even have to have anything in writing from Mr. King yet.
SPEAKER_11:He knows I was talking to him when I was talking about that. But yeah, no, I I agree. That's not everybody's like that.
SPEAKER_03:But but I mean, but but I'm just saying, he got to get up and start to, if I ever did that, forget it. I know I would be called in the carpet in two seconds.
SPEAKER_11:No, looking back on it and knowing.
SPEAKER_03:And they don't even have any handwriting from Mr. King.
SPEAKER_11:If I asked that question before that last meeting, and they did it that day, I think I would have asked it tonight.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I just want to say, August 21st, I was here for something else. And he had he had left as soon as you know Bob yelled across the room, are you here for that? So he left. So I ran out in the hallway to apologize to him. I don't even know this man until that night as a Rainham resident for his inconvenience because I thought it was so rude and just you know, ill regard to him. And he told me this is not even the first time, it's the second time. That's why I'm here tonight, because it was the second time. So they have no regard for the abundance, they don't care. And I do think they need to be sent a loud message. A very loud message, you know. They're not special.
SPEAKER_11:No, they I agree with that.
SPEAKER_03:But they think they're special, they think they're special.
SPEAKER_11:You're right. And it's not the first time, it's not even the hundredth time.
SPEAKER_03:It's not right. It's definitely not right. Well, anyway, that's what I want to say. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:I don't want to lay it on you from the playing board. No, this is going back. You've only been involved with this in what year and a half. We've been playing with him for the last four years.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, I don't know the other issues. Bob may know him more than us, and that's why I wish it would have been better if he was here tonight. But you know, I want it to just be done tonight. And they even wanted to, like, well, what if we're ready early? Can we change the thing? And then you're gonna come February 19 thinking you don't have to worry about it and playing that game.
SPEAKER_03:So um the neighbors won't even come now. Yeah, they won't remove it. Yeah, that's what they do.
SPEAKER_11:That is what we're dealing with, and um not everybody's like that. Um like the last engineer, he's been he's been great in front of us. He's gonna, you know, his ad together we ask him for anything and say, hey, you know, can you come back in a month? He'd say, Yeah, whatever, whatever. You know, that's you know how a professional would act, you know. Oh yeah, professional. The thing about going in front of, I used to I had my own company for years and I had to go in front of boards three or four nights a week. And you don't want to get these people mad or something because they're coming out after working here on the board like us here.
unknown:That's what I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_11:And you want to get treated with respect at least, even though you know we're not all experts on the stuff, but we're we're trying, you know. But you know, I think in some towns, like you wouldn't get away with that until hunting. They don't like it's a small man's business, so if you don't have your reputation, if you lose it, it's really hard to get it back. But apologize for any inconvenience and this, you know, I understand.
SPEAKER_03:Stop treating them special.
SPEAKER_11:Uh I don't. They just somebody here does by the time I sit him down, because I'm I'm so sick of him getting up and interrupting like he does every single time. And there's others that do that, that it gets old.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna get better now. You don't see the home now.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, well, we won't see it till we won't see him for that.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, thank you.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_11:Well, that might be it. But I hate to agree with Lorraine, but I agree with Lorraine. So I guess that's about it. No plans to be signed? No. Okay, I didn't take a motion to adjourn. So I get it. All in favor?