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A full room, a tight riverbank, and a developer citing a prior waiver set the tone for a detailed, grounded conversation about how growth meets wetlands. We walk through the Lockwood River Walk modification, compare plans to what’s actually in the field, and push for clear erosion controls, intact wetland flags, and verified dewatering practices before any new work proceeds. The design team explains the choice to use retaining walls near sensitive edges, while we press on distances, signage to prevent backyard creep, and who holds the bag on long-term compliance once units turn over to an HOA.

Not everything is a battle. Two single-family homes at 40 Spruce Street and 20 Cypress Way move forward with orders of conditions after DEP numbers arrive and erosion controls are staked. A separate RDA for 59 New State Highway stays on existing pavement to replace concrete pads and re-stripe, earning a fast negative determination thanks to tight scope and clear silt protection. These quick, clean filings highlight how right-sized work with predictable impacts can move efficiently through conservation review.

Community concerns keep us honest. A neighbor hauling trash from the riverbank asks how to remove a car engine lodged near the water; we discuss practical limits and commit to consult the DPW. Trail stewards report a year of clearing, wildlife observations, and a suggestion for a simple kiosk to orient visitors and share conservation tips. We also clarify jurisdiction on beaver flooding—MassWildlife handles nuisance wildlife—and share a spotted lantern fly alert that matters to anyone with grapes, hops, or maples. If you care about wetlands protection, stormwater, and keeping town processes fair and workable for both residents and builders, this meeting is a case study in drawing lines you can defend. Subscribe, share with a neighbor who cares about local rivers, and tell us: how would you balance housing and habitat where you live?

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SPEAKER_07:

Evening everyone. I'd like to call the December third meeting of the Conservation Commission to order. Uh please be advised all these meetings are recorded. Um Riley, please register.

SPEAKER_00:

All public hearings and meetings are by the Rainham Conservation Commission on Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025, 5 30 p.m. Excuse me, the reign and veterans and moral town hall. Don L. McKinnon meeting room 558 South Main Street Reign Mass are related to filings and joint meetings. Joint hearings and or meetings on the Mass General Law. Chapter 131 and 40 as amended in the town of Rainham Lot and Protection by Law.

SPEAKER_07:

Alright. First off is a continued notice of a minor modification for Lockwood LLC, Random River Walk, DEP number 2690965.

SPEAKER_05:

With me tonight is Brandon Carr from Depreet Engineering. Where we left off last uh last meeting, um the uh commission wanted to uh view a stakeout of certain buildings in the field uh relative to the wetlands and uh kind of get a better understanding, put their eyes on it as to uh what we are proposing uh relative to uh to what's out there. And uh so I hope believe that occurred uh this morning, and so at this point we're looking to kind of hear feedback from the commission.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay, um so I went out there last Saturday to do the uh site walk. I wasn't able to find the stakes. Unfortunately, I stopped probably 50 feet short of where they started. Um I went out there this morning met with the uh on-site supervisor. Um I did find the stakes that they put out. But also I went out the CIA and our first meeting we had, we talked about Have they were destroyed in certain areas I gave and the Have destroyed, and they were rewatering the foundations over into the resource area. We had a conversation about this over the device this morning would say the guys are there working on it or coming tomorrow. And nothing was mentioned.

SPEAKER_05:

Um I did speak with uh with Kevin who you met this morning, and uh I know that they were out there um yesterday inspecting the perimeter and working areas that they viewed as a concern. I don't know that we had kind of uh specific areas flagged, it was more of a let's say uh general comment. So it sounds like we did not find the areas perhaps that you were uh that you had identified or um but uh I wasn't I didn't instruct him to kind of report on on what exactly was done over the you know since we spoke on Monday. Um but uh I did speak with them. They were out there on Tuesday in the in the weather. Um, you know, I know some of the specifics where they were restapling some of the silt fence to the bean poles. They were uh there were a couple pipes that were across the silt fence um in the staging area and the area of the stakes that they removed. So they did take take some actions. I don't know exactly what uh uh what areas of concern there are, but we can certainly address them. And uh, you know, we'll we're totally fine not starting, you know, any work in this revised area until the line is fully approved by the commission. Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

My second question, which is gonna be even more controversial, is when you went before the ZBA, did you specifically ask them to waive the 25-foot no touch?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh that was waived as part of our permit, uh, and it remains a condition. Uh so we did not seek to modify that. So it's it was existed from the beginning and it still exists.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay, because I mean then then in that case, why do we have a 25-foot no touch already established?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh from the original from the original line of work. There is no 25-foot no touch established. I don't believe it's been shown on the plans, and it's certainly not on that exhibit that I showed.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, you look at the original line of work, and here's the wetland line. Um, the wetlands in the um the wetland line is the green and the red was the original kind of brownish line.

SPEAKER_05:

So that was the previously approved line. It wasn't relative to um the 25-foot no touch. So I'm I'm no, I'm crystal clear that that was waived. There's many places on the site where we weave in and out of that 25-foot uh no-touch throughout all of our phases, frankly. So it was um definitely something that was waived as part of our original permit. The modification that we got um covers just specific aspects. It doesn't restate kind of the seven pages of conditions that we have um within our permit. It basically says that the unit count has been modified and that this is the uh the new plan. Um it actually uh the vote was that the the change was let's say so uh insubstantial that um kind of a full plan set for the zoning board of appeals wasn't even required. We submitted a plan, we submitted this plan. And uh that's what it was approved about, and they found they found that the the uh revision was an insubstantial change. Um so that's uh so these plans were developed specifically for the commission because uh we know that you're interested in the proximity of the wetlands and the drainage system and the like. Between our first meeting and our second meeting, um in terms of revising the line. You know, there's apologize, there's a lot of lines in here, but this is you know, this project has a long story to it. But the plans that we submitted to you originally as part of this modification showed the limit of work at the red line, and we're able to um condense the the uh the work to this blue line. So, you know, in this area, for example, we brought it in probably 40 feet, um, you know, 10 feet, 15 feet in that area. So we're trying to tighten it up. It cost us additional funds to build more walls so we could bring things in tighter. In a lot of areas, we were showing really more area than we needed to touch. You know, it was 15 feet from the toe of slope out there, and uh, you really didn't need to disturb that area. So we're making it, you know, we're making an effort to try to condense it as as uh tightly as we can.

SPEAKER_07:

All right. Anybody else on the board have questions?

SPEAKER_08:

Well, I was just noticing there's like no feet or anything, so it's like hard to say. Normally there's like a code for like 25, 50, or 100 feet on there, and I know you talked about that you didn't do the 25-footer. But some areas are very slim, some are on top of each other. It's really kind of hard to know the distance between the actual uh wetlands line and the actual lines that you have.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I always use the proxy. Um there's a scale on the plan, but uh I didn't understand there's no graphical scale on the plan. But if you look at if you look at any of the parking spaces, they're 18 feet deep. So you can kind of get um uh a reference, if you will, of as to um this order of magnitude. And uh again, we're able to answer the questions on any kind of specific businesses.

SPEAKER_08:

So if they're 18 feet deep, it would look like your uh wetlands line is pretty it's with it's less than the 25, right?

SPEAKER_05:

Because you don't have so is so the 25 foot is is has been weighted for this, so I understand that that is you know typically the main focus of this commission. But you know, with the comprehensive permit uh process, all the local bylaws and specifically this, the um So how do you protect the wetlands from by putting up these um walls? So the the um it's kind of a choice between a wall or a slope. So if the wetlands are here, so this is kind of sectional view, right, and you're trying to build a building here, your house. So you can build a little yard and you can slope it down, or you can build that same yard and build a wall. So instead of having your grating and your total slope, you're increasing the distance away from the wetlands by building a wall.

SPEAKER_08:

Oh, that's pretty good. That also contaminates the wetlands because it all the flow goes down.

SPEAKER_05:

No, actually, so instead of instead of um actually what happens is the flow gets captured by this wall, and on all these walls there's kind of stone that gets put down in here with a little uh, let's say these are popular white walls anyway, so they kind of all filter out. So instead of having a slope that comes down here where you can actually get the erosion and some velocity on the surface wall, it gets captured by the wall that's it just sort of put above the um above the grid, so it kind of hits the back of this, runs down as part of the stone back of the wall, and then speeds up at the bottom, so it comes out of it.

SPEAKER_08:

So is that all around the place?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh it's yeah, so so here um wherever you see this, yeah, that's those are all retaining walls. So these were either created, lengthened, or moved closer. So basically in this case, this backyard was was shrunk, this wall was made longer, um, so that the wall was able to be shifted in and made longer so that instead of sloping in this area coming out, you were getting down by using a wall. So those were the modifications.

SPEAKER_08:

Didn't know if there was any like greenery or trees or shrubs that you used for walls as well.

SPEAKER_05:

Um it's really you need to uh game grade. Yeah, yeah. So you really need a uh a physical wall in order in order to do that. The vegetation is you know uh for screening, you know, buffering, uh uh visual buffers, you know, that sort of thing as our landscaping screening.

SPEAKER_08:

So it's just pretty close for all that, and it's all it's all built now, if now.

SPEAKER_05:

No, so um so in terms of status and construction, we started over here and then worked our way uh and we're we're about here now. So this is what we are calling phase four, and all the modifications to the site plan are kind of in this area. So this yeah, so this plan is basically focused on that line.

SPEAKER_07:

So if you drove if you drew a idea, yeah, what you see the metal gate by the construction trailers, it's all between the construction trailers basically. Yeah. Yeah, the construction trailers are kind of right located right over here.

SPEAKER_05:

And this is kind of the weapons crossing that exists. Um so this is where it kind of knacks down. So this is this is our gate 44s here.

SPEAKER_07:

In follow-up of her last question, the walls will be able to check the area. What do you have to propose for the upper buildings here?

SPEAKER_05:

These ones here buildings here? Yeah, these are really on graded. So there's no dramatic grade change.

SPEAKER_07:

What do you what is there to keep people from expanding the yard to put its wing sets up for a vertical button?

SPEAKER_05:

Or it's pulse. Yeah. Um, well, we can certainly uh you know put up your typical bollards and sides of what I've discussed in the previous hearings. Um I forget what the I I recall is kind of 40 feet or so when you have PVC posts with it on them, or you can do you know your uh, let's say, you know, wooden stakes were certainly available.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. And with that said, just out of curiosity, when this is all built up, is there like a management company that will be maintaining the property for trash and yes, there's actually already a management company in place under the Dartmouth group.

SPEAKER_05:

So they uh uh they took over. We started with one management company, they actually sold their business. Uh Dartmouth Group literally started about a month ago. So we use them at um all of our projects now.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay, so they'll be handling cleanup trash in the wetlands, resource areas.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. And this this order of conditions is referenced um in our condominium docs as an obligation of the trust. So it's a fiduciary responsibility of the trustees, which is me right now, as the developer. Once we convey 75% of the homes, the unit owners take over as um as trustees. But the management company is there uh throughout. So they handle the day-to-day billing, contracting for uh you know your trash removal, your snow plowing, your landscaping, uh that sort of thing. So we we've uh yeah, nowadays we bring them in really right at the beginning.

SPEAKER_10:

Are they going to report on yearly basis, monthly basis?

SPEAKER_05:

I don't hmm for like in per in perpetuity, you mean? Yeah. Um I don't I don't recall anything uh on the main site. Uh we will likely be back before you at a future date. There's um this is a little set of but related to your question. Uh this parcel here uh is destined for a um uh open space restriction, and um similar to what uh Dan Andre put on the parcel that's down here. So uh we'll be doing that. I believe the commission is the administrator of that uh open space restriction. So in this parcel, which is adjacent to the top of the river, it'll actually be a whole separate overlay of um do's and don'ts and requirements and that sort of thing. So we expect um we're gonna do that before we convey our 75th percentile. So we are in charge, we're still the trustee while that occurs. We don't need to get individual unit order votes on Google and that sort of thing. Okay, so that should be probably um June, July next year. But that's an opportunity. And again, that's that's you know likely your area of primary concern given its proximity to um to the river and the vast majority of it as well.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

Anyone else? Anyone in the audience have any questions?

SPEAKER_10:

I I think we should continue this until they prove that they've cleaned up what they've got to do as opposed to.

SPEAKER_06:

Um yeah, I'm gonna agree with you on that one.

SPEAKER_03:

Um anyway we conditionally approval on that?

SPEAKER_07:

No, we will not do any work that we say is for. No, we don't condition. I mean, we have this conversation I could shut you down now, but I'm not gonna, because how do you condition originally is the APL line in the wetland flag line needs to stay in workable service or condition until the length of the project. Do you have an order of conditions? Uh I mean um to get a compliance on the project, these all those all need to stay in intact. So that's um, you know, what would what we did the walking the other day is didn't do a good job because that foundation you have in right now, um, all the machinery is packed. That's the one I have pitches down here or yeah, that first that first spurs come off. Yeah, you get the little uh shed they built, the bus stop shed. Oh, right here. Yeah, yeah, that's uh for uh bigger cards. Yeah, so that next little cropping is a house that's framed and weather tight, and there's a foundation next to the road. My first picture I have is empty watering that right over the top of the wet ones, and that heavy along. I'm all through the air, it's all destroyed. Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

There's any other areas of particular concerns so I can probably get this to the kill.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, I walked, put it this way, that whole area from the end to the crossing where phase four step. That's where I was. That means all the four. Yeah. Okay. But I mean, even I even saw a few when I was walking today on the phase four area that were broken, deteriorated. They need to go through the whole place and and make sure everything is the way it's supposed to be. Okay. And as soon as you get it done, let me know. I'll come out, take a walk with them. We can go through it, make sure it's good, and get that done for our next meeting, and we can have a decision. Alrighty? Thank you. So I need a motion.

SPEAKER_10:

Uh when it's the next meeting? We don't know.

unknown:

Right now we have to schedule the second, but everything is necessary for that meeting.

SPEAKER_10:

Yeah. Depending on what we've got in the queue.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, then um January. I think it'll be January 7th will be the next time we meet that January 7th.

SPEAKER_07:

All right. Why don't we do the 7th unless we end up having a meeting on the 17th, and we'll notify you. Okay? Thank you. Motion?

SPEAKER_10:

Motion to continue notice request for a minor modification for Rockwood LLC. DEP 269-0963 to January 7th. Unless we notify you that we'll be meeting on the 17th.

SPEAKER_00:

I will second that motion.

SPEAKER_07:

Motion made second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Unanimous. Thank you. Um next up is continued notice of intent for Forty Spruce Street, lot four, DEP number two six nine, ten eighty one. And I'm just going to bring these together. Okay. And continued notice of intent for 20 Cypress Way, lot five, DEP number two six nine ten eighty-two. Both are proposed single-family homes.

SPEAKER_04:

Want to come up or I just want to make sure that we can forget that's on the orchid, but yeah, Evan Waters hearing for example the applicant. Last time we met, we went over the plan. I think everything was basically in order except for the issuance of the file number, which we now have. So I'd like to ask the commission to close the hearing and vote on issuing a uh order conditions. Good. I have no problem with that.

SPEAKER_10:

All right. Motion then. Do you want to condition or do you want to approve as well? Or do you just want to um close it?

SPEAKER_04:

I think the last couple we had conditions of the the sign. Yeah, that was the only condition really. Right.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

So we can close an issue. Yeah, we can. Okay. But just one second. Anyone in the audience questions? Nope. Okay.

SPEAKER_10:

I'll do them again. I'll do them together. Uh motion to close notice of intent 40 Cypress Spruce Street lot five. Lot four DEP 269-1081. And close continued notice of intent for 20 Cypress Way, Lot 5, DEP 269 1082.

SPEAKER_00:

I will second that motion.

SPEAKER_07:

All right. Motion is made and second it to close the hearing on both lot four and five. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Unanimous.

SPEAKER_04:

Just one noteworthy thing, Mr. Chairman, is uh for lot four. They did um stake out all the erosion control and they didn't install it. Okay. So I was gonna swing by on my way into work tomorrow and get you the letter uh for certifying that it's been installed.

SPEAKER_07:

Give me the letter and uh I'll try to get out um yeah, either I'll try to get out by Monday. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, if you're in the area, you can go by. I've been told it's there, but I'm not gonna certify it until I actually see it. So and then just in regards to your next meeting, I was planning if I can get everything in order on my side to file two uh requests for determination filings um on Spruce Street. Okay. Um so just if you're planning, you know. Yeah, yeah, depending on how things go. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07:

All right, do you want to hang around for one more minute? Do you want to issue that? Yeah, I don't see why.

SPEAKER_10:

Um motion issue um order of conditions for 40 Spruce Street lot four, DEP 269-1081. And uh issue uh order of conditions for notice of intent for 20 Cypress Way, lot five, do we DEP 269 1082?

SPEAKER_07:

I will second that. Sorry, we've previously discussed um signage.

SPEAKER_10:

We've previously discussed signage.

SPEAKER_00:

I will second that motion.

SPEAKER_07:

Motion made second. All in favor? Aye, opposed, unanimous. All right, thank you. All right, uh next up is request for determination of 59 New State Highway.

unknown:

Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, there is. I'm uh I'm Matt Tavares with JK Holmgrid Engineering. What was that? Cards. Oh, do you okay. Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I have them.

SPEAKER_07:

Um, wait a minute. Um, that's not what I need. Okay. I didn't see the idea.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. Um, fifty-nine New State Highway. Rainham Mass Legal Notice. Notice the public hearing conservation commission, Rainham, Massachusetts, in coordinates with the Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 131, Section 40 in the county Rainham. Local bylaw of the Rainham Conservation Commission. Hold a public hearing meeting on Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025, at 530 p.m. in the non-on the meeting room in the Ranium Bedroom Memorial Town Hall, located at 550 itself, Main Street Randy Maps on the RD5 by Randian Crossing L T D. The applicant proposes reconstruction of the concrete location 59 U State Highways. The properties owned by Iranium Crossing L T D copies of the application may be viewed at the RTC office during normal physical hours. 508-824-2706. All interest person public here.

SPEAKER_01:

All right, Matt Debuggets with JK Homebridge Engineering, um, representing Jerry Cohen and also Matt Demeling is here from the project as you guys know is 59 new state highway. Uh was big lots, but now kind of just one stakeholders, so they just want to make a few changes to the process of that. So as you can see in the south of the property, you have this on the um line, which is the delineated line, you have the following blue line, which is the 100-foot and the right is the 200 footprint. Basically, what we're trying to do is there's pre-existing concrete path back, and you can see in their three on this point, the three pads they just want to replace, and they do just want to add one trash and quote it back in. And they also in the process of that one restrict that path here, which is striped right now.

SPEAKER_10:

So if you guys have any questions, I'd be happy to have to answer. So all you're doing is replacing the pads? Exactly.

SPEAKER_07:

I went to the pre-construction meeting and um it was discussed there. Everything they're doing is already on built pavement. So because they're within the uh the 100-foot they um and the 200 foot, they needed to just do the ITA, but it's uh it's pretty straightforward. Um I don't have any.

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_07:

Anyone in the audience? No? All right. Um I I just the only thing, oh women of work, silk detection. Okay. Yeah, we're gonna pull that's I don't know what color is on there. I see it now. I'm sorry, I didn't see it right originally. The orange line. Yep. Okay.

SPEAKER_10:

Um close and then issue. Yep. All right. Uh motion to close request for determination of 59 new state highway. I will second that motion.

SPEAKER_07:

Motion may second it. All in favor? Aye, aye, opposed, unanimous.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_07:

Um motion to issue that.

SPEAKER_10:

Yeah, we do know, yeah, it'll be a negative motion to issue a negative seven determination for 59 new state highway.

SPEAKER_00:

I will second that. Second it, all in favor, aye, opposed, no.

unknown:

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07:

All right, sir. Um you're here for okay. Just hold on one second there, okay? Um all right, we'll just do this under informal. Yeah. Okay. Uh just state your name for the record and address. My name's Walter Lowe. I'm at 480 South Main Street. 480? Yep.

SPEAKER_02:

Four houses down from here. Okay, go ahead. Um I went for a walk along the river about a month ago, and I discovered, If you want to see pictures of it or not, but there's a car engine or a block buried right in my past month. Let me show you other stuff I found too back there. I filled up two 42-gallon bags of trash since I lived there, and it keeps coming down the river. I was down there today picking up bottles, you know, cans. Um, I can imagine what it's like down here. Take a walk to the river down here, but you find the same thing. But anyway, regardless, I just need advice on how to get rid of that engine. It's uh it's conservation land behind my house. And I don't know how long it's been there. My house has only been there for 12, 13 years. That's been sitting there for a while. You can see how close it is to the water. How? Oh, it's not in the water? Not in the water, no, it's pretty close. Especially after the rain you had yesterday. Um, and there's the other picture's just an example of other stuff that's buried back back there. So I'm not sure what is the most environmentally friendly way to do it, I guess. I mean that that's about 15, 20 feet below my yard. And it's about a hundred feet behind the fence from where the conservation land starts in my backyard. So I'm not sure how to get out of there. I cannot carry it. I've I've taken some bolts out, try to take it apart, you know, like pieces. Well, I'm sure it's so rusted.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, I can I can speak to them. As far as conservation, and this is I'll just go through my speech. And I apologize, but um this has come to light a few things lately that we in the conservation office, we don't have the resources for you know, we don't have trucks, we don't have manpower, yeah. We're all volunteers. Yeah, no, I got it. Um we don't have the resources to do stuff like that. Right. Um I can speak and put you in ball. I'll speak to the highway superintendent. Um the problem is, you know, how does he get out there?

SPEAKER_02:

That's the problem. It's obviously it's dense woods, you know, and like I say, it's a hundred feet from my backyard. Uh you could you could go to my neighbor, I've never talked to my neighbor actually, the three houses down, but they're they have a clearing that goes almost back to there uh in their backyard. So you'd have to go, you know, use their yard. Because you winch it, I don't you know, winch it like a hundred feet through the conservation area. I don't think you'd like that idea.

SPEAKER_07:

So um yeah, I don't I will bring it up to him and um you know and I'll I'll get back to you. Okay. See what we can, you know.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You can see we can come up with a solution. Yeah, okay. No guarantees.

SPEAKER_02:

No, I understand it's on my property. I I'm pretty sure it's on my property. Um, because there's no there's no marker saying where it begins and ends. So I was looking at my um blueprints and I was thinking, I think this is on my land. And that's how I found it. I was like, I think my land goes a little farther south than I thought, so I thought I'd take a walk over there to see what that was. And I took my trash bag with me because I knew it was gonna be trash down there. And um yeah, that's when I saw the engine. Never knew it was there until about a month ago.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. And and then what I was gonna say is we've got complaints about beavers lately in town places, but as conservation, we have no control over that. Right. That's fish and game. Yeah. You know, yeah, we saw it from our house. I can't I can't ask them to leave and move somewhere else. Right. Um, our charge here is you know, enforcing the Wetlands Protection Act and you know the meetings we just heard, you know. Yeah, I think it's this is kind of yeah, it's environmentally not good, but yeah, it's something that we don't necessarily deal with.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I didn't know if it was if if I called someone who would salvage it, you know, and I don't think it's worth the iron, you know, worth the money for them to do it. Um, I ends up there pretty good right now.

SPEAKER_08:

You can do all those signs that are all around town that says uh junk in cars, they'll come pick up.

SPEAKER_02:

Well well, I again I didn't know if that was the right way to do it or not. Because they might come take a look at it and say, I'm not gonna do it. You know, it's too much work. Yeah, do this all the time.

SPEAKER_08:

Get a wheelbarrow, get out there somehow?

SPEAKER_02:

I found a wheelbarrow back there too. That's all busted. Somebody already tried it. A tire rim back there. I I've got um some stuff I actually was able to pull out of the ground, and it was like an old tire axle or something. It was like literally sticking three feet out of the ground. Oh this stuff got there.

SPEAKER_07:

Have you ever gone on? I'm sorry, you ever gone on the town website and seen the property markers?

SPEAKER_02:

Property markers? Well well, I I I had blueprints.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. So this is the GIS mapping of the town.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

And here is your property. Yeah. So this is what your property looks like. Yeah. We're in relation to here.

SPEAKER_02:

Right right on that point. Right around that bend. Yeah, the water's over here. It's right around that bend. And I think, again, that's right around where the uh the border is from our property line.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm not sure. I think it's on my end, but I just don't know how anybody's gonna get out there.

SPEAKER_07:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Okay, our house is over here.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And this is where the fence line is back here. Well, maybe this is the fence line, I'm not sure. But regardless, um, you know, it's it's it's a bit of a hall.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. So I you know, I'll have word, I'll have a conversation with the uh DPW director, and uh we'll go from there and I'll get back to you. That sound good? Yeah. Alright, thank you, sir. You have it, don't you? Oh, if you could just give it to her?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay, perfect. Yeah, here's your pictures. Oh actually, can I keep that?

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_07:

Alright, thank you. The other one was just Yes, I see some stuff there.

SPEAKER_02:

It was buried with it, two bottles in the water today.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. I don't I don't know how they're getting there. Possible, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And then they go fishing, people go pushing and do they go downstream.

SPEAKER_07:

Everything goes downstream. So we know it. Okay. Alright. Um thank you. Thank you, sir. Uh, we've had our save um people come in this year, and um they couldn't make it tonight, so I'll just give a little review of what they've done. Um the gentleman has once again done trash, uh, cut back spriars on trails, um picked up fishing line around Hewitt's Pond. Um kind of he goes out there and walks and talks to the people that walk out there and does some uh nature uh teaching. Uh on the Forge River, same thing, trash. Um cut back some of the trails from some damage, storm damage. Um the channel forest, same thing, trash, cut back some uh the trails. Um he also noted that uh he's found a couple barred owls out there uh this past year. Um and he has a couple recommendations um that we put some Like a little kiosk out there with some uh information, something we can talk about next year. Um he said the Boy Scouts did a good job of um helping out with the trailblazing uh they did out there. And Kathy, she's been in, and she's been a huge help to Amy organizing the office and kind of helping with our file system, which I made a mess of. Um so that's been a big help to Amy and uh she wants to come back again in uh in uh next year and do the same thing. And Amy's grateful for her help. So with that, uh we'll just sign their things.

SPEAKER_06:

Anybody's got any questions or comments?

SPEAKER_10:

Would it make sense to send both of them a thank you letter from the commission? Yeah, that would be very nice. Yeah. Keep up the good work, sort of thing.

SPEAKER_07:

All right. Um did everyone get a chance to read the minutes from November nineteenth?

SPEAKER_10:

Motion to accept. I will second that motion.

SPEAKER_07:

Motion made and second. All in favor? Aye, opposed, unanimous. Um got a couple of bills. Um I have some correspondence and one of them I just discussed uh a few minutes ago. We've had an ongoing problem down on um Park Place. I went down there this past spring with reported beavers flooding out the area. At the time I went down, I could not find any sign of little critters doing damage, um, but I guess it's gotten bad again. And this gentleman has gone to Taunton Conservation because it's right on the border of the uh what's that mass slave park over there? Rico River, Rico, Rico Pond. And the agent from there called me. I returned to call and she's never returned my call back. Um but once again, this is nothing the Conservation Commission can handle. This is we don't own the wildlife, it's fishing game. If they're a nuisance animal, um from what I've always understood, they have the right to relocate them. So there's nothing we could do on that one.

SPEAKER_08:

Um is this new for our area? Is this new?

SPEAKER_07:

The past three or four years, yeah. In fact, uh sad day after I left Lockwood, I was coming up 44, and right at the truck entrance for just before the lights for uh Lowe's, there was a dead one on the road.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh.

SPEAKER_07:

So, and I've heard of them out back here. I haven't seen them, but I've heard different people say they're out back behind here.

SPEAKER_10:

So was it physically a dam there? A baver dam?

SPEAKER_07:

Supposedly, yeah. I haven't seen it.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

I couldn't find it the day I went out there.

SPEAKER_10:

Could we send this to mass wildlife? Did they do anything? Although it looks like this guy's contacted everybody in.

SPEAKER_07:

It's up against it's it's now flooding up against the uh railroad bed, so he's contacted Keos and Army Corps of Engineers. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_10:

I mean, does nobody else left to contact?

SPEAKER_07:

No.

SPEAKER_10:

So and nobody's done anything, and nobody's proposed any?

SPEAKER_07:

I don't know. Like I said, I told him when I originally talked to him six months ago or whatever, it was a fish and game issue. He's gone I know he's contacted the water department, the highway department. Um it's it's not our issue.

SPEAKER_06:

Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_09:

But she doesn't know. Um I thought uh you were if you got a total of RDA two, but she hadn't initiated the check on the other one.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, I don't remember this.

SPEAKER_09:

So she I think they were running off the high leaders on that, but in the office measurement.

SPEAKER_10:

Is this the new hotel they're proposing on the last property there? Well, there was a meeting for that several months ago.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_10:

Uh where they talked about a proposal. It wasn't it was just a pre-construction type meeting. And they were supposed to come forward with an RDA. We haven't seen anything.

SPEAKER_07:

Well the balls in her court then.

SPEAKER_09:

Okay, so she put whatever we I don't know if she had that name at all in relation to the developer, yeah. Um I don't have a she's uh things or nothing.

SPEAKER_10:

She I would suggest you do an RDA that way we can formally review everything in guide her.

SPEAKER_07:

I'll I'll right and the last thing is we talked about this earlier, was the um notice from the um Department of Agricultural Resources that the evasive Lantern fly has been identified in Rainham, and um they attack trees, grape vines, maple trees, uh hop vop vine, and uh many other plants. Uh this pest is known to pack grape and wine produces and other agricultural commodities. Um due to their swallowing behavior, the adults uh late summer and fall. Uh they're not uh that said they're insects that do not bite or sting, they're just a nuisance because they gather on large numbers. Um and they cover stuff with a sticky, sugary waste product known as honeydew. Okay, a little too much information. Um but they want to be contacted evidently if anyone spots these and so there's there's a bounty on it. There's a bounty on it. So if you hear of anybody that has come across them, they can contact the Massachusetts Department of Agricultural Resource and South Borough Mass. Alrighty. Um no site visits at the moment until they comply with oh if he gets his if he gets the hay bills then I'll just do it. I'll be down that area this weekend, so I'll take care of that. Okay. Alrighty. Uh anybody else got anything? I do not have anything. One other motion then motion due during the meeting. Second, second, all in favor, aye, opposed, unanimous.