Board of Appeals 11/19/2025

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A barn, a narrow road, and the line between personal use and public impact. We open with a detailed proposal for a 60-by-40 barn on a 7.6-acre residential lot, built to house an RV and boats. Setbacks and coverage are in order, but neighbors worry about traffic and safety on a tight, evolving street. We walk through the concerns and vote to approve with a clean, enforceable safeguard: recreational storage only, no business activity. It’s a clear example of zoning tied to use, not speculation.

Then the room shifts. An appeal challenges a neighbor’s 20-foot camera poles pointed toward a home and driveway, a fence with angled barbed-wire brackets reaching roughly seven feet to the highest point, and cargo containers placed alongside the property line. We hear video evidence, bylaw citations, and a rebuttal grounded in right-to-farm protections. It’s a tangle of privacy, nuisance, and agricultural needs—plus the realities of modern surveillance hardware. Where does our jurisdiction start and stop?

We chart a middle course and focus on what we can regulate. Poles on both properties must come down to 12 feet in accordance with height rules. Any lights on those poles must be shielded so they don’t spill onto abutting property. Cameras may not face neighboring dwellings. The barbed-wire extension brackets must be removed to comply with a six-foot fence limit. And since the cargo containers function as semi-permanent structures, they must be painted a dark green and screened from street view to reduce visual impact while preserving farm operations. We also remind neighbors of the role police and the building inspector play in speed enforcement and potential violations.

If you care about property rights, neighborhood character, and how local boards balance competing truths in real time, this hearing is a masterclass in practical governance. Listen for the conditions, the limits of jurisdiction, and the compromises that make life together possible. If you find value here, follow the show, share this episode with a neighbor, and leave a quick review to help others discover it.

Transcript

Opening Gavel And Agenda

SPEAKER_05 0:02

All right, I'd like to uh call the meeting of the Rainham Board Board of Appeals public hearing. Um the proceedings are being transcribed and recorded to provide four and accurate minutes and allow for full participation of the cloud. Um this is a zoning board of appeals for Rainham. Um what do we call this town hall? Town hall uh Veterans Memorial Building, that's what it was. Um for uh Wednesday, November 19, 2025 at 7 o'clock. Uh to my right is Ron Cross, and to my left John Dick Sarah, Peter Schonder, the chair. Um would you read the first uh petition?

Special Permit: 60x40 Barn Proposal

SPEAKER_04 0:56

The Iranian Board of Appeals will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, November 19, 2025 at 7 p.m. at Iranian Veterans Memorial Town Hall, 558 South Main Street. Keith Family Nominee Railway Trust, Iranian Mass, application for a special permit in accordance with Iranian zoning bylaws section 350-7.4a 30 to allow the construction of a 2400 square foot barn on a residential property at map 17, lot 61 Oakland Street, aka Sandy Hill, Rainham Mass. A copy of the application and the planner available for viewing at the town clerk's office, and Board of Appeals, Office 558, South Main Street, Rainham during usual business hours. Any person listening wishing to be heard or interested in submittals should appear at the time at the place at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_05 1:54

Okay. Uh all who intend to uh give testimony on this uh project, could you please stand for it and be smaller? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give this board shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth shall help you guys? Thank you. Uh could the petitioner approach and give your name and morning board.

SPEAKER_09 2:22

My name is Michael Edwards. I'm from Silva Engineering Associates. I'm here representing uh Mr. Michael Keith for his project for the proposed barn. Um we recently um did have a slight change of the building. We just rotated it 90 degrees.

SPEAKER_08 2:38

Um I have an update presentation I was going to show for you guys, and also an update to the place like it just for rotation change. Yeah, we'll take it.

unknown 2:48

All right.

SPEAKER_05 2:53

Three copies or just one?

Project Details And Orientation Change

SPEAKER_09 2:54

Um, there's six copies. Uh, two full sets, and I have easier ones for you guys can look at that are just eleven by seventeen. Proposing is still the sixty by forty barn uh based on what we proposed previously. The only thing that changes is the barn just oriented 90 degrees. Um everything else is still where it is. Uh the proposed barn is 60 by 40. Um, it's located on 7.6 acres of land. Um within residential zoning. The building meets all zoning setback requirements and um all lot coverage requirements. Um all the building total square footage is 7,414 square feet, and the total lot of square footage is 313,000 square feet. And as you can see, it's a pretty remote area. Um it's gonna be used for us to store recreational vehicles. Um, it's surrounded by woods. Um just need a little increase in size. He has some boats and RVs, he wants to stay store in there. So seeking a special permit for the size.

SPEAKER_05 4:45

Um this one.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

So this is just so the use is primarily just for uh recreational storage of this.

SPEAKER_09 5:08

Yeah, the RV, I think I think an RV, some boats, and some uh A T V stuff. No construction curve at all.

SPEAKER_12 5:22

That's actually the only thing I just want to be sure is it's not gonna be business.

SPEAKER_05 5:26

Yeah, it is it is residential zone, so if it's for storage, um as far as stipulation, it'll probably be it'll be in there. Stipulation is for recreational vehicles or storage and recreational vehicles only. No business activity there. Any questions from anyone in the audience? Could you come up in the state name, please? Good evening, my name is Kevin Murro. I reside at 19 Sandy Hill, aka uh Oakland Street.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

Um I just spoke to my neighbors uh a couple days ago and was informed of the meeting.

SPEAKER_05 6:16

Um I resided on Sandy Hill for uh 55 years. Um I'm just curious as to uh currently, right now, I believe he has a business on South Street East.

Use Limits: Recreational Storage Only

SPEAKER_03 6:29

Where is that construction equipment being housed at this time for his business at the American roof? And is that on that facility as well on South Street East? Um state your name, please.

SPEAKER_04 6:44

Did you get sworn in?

SPEAKER_05 6:45

No, I can you saw me swear to tell the truth, whole truth and nothing, but truth for help you got.

SPEAKER_14 6:51

I do. State your name. My name is Michael Keith from W3 Raymond. Okay. Uh I do have a business on the uh Salt Street and I use to all my program. My work is the bottom out of the prescription. I think I have an RB too low.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

As we as we're explaining speculation, it'll be right in uh uh uh wording strictly pressed down. And so I won't test uh you asking it's you try to just keep this equipment up there. That's one of my questions. I have a few others at the stake as well. Okay, I think so. Be that as it may, um like I said, Sandy Hill over the last several years has changed dramatically. Um we increase in homes being built. Five homes within at least 500 feet of the 500 feet. Five homes.

unknown 7:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Um Sandy Hill or something. Going up the road to try to get to the right and go down to the property that he's currently building on, you have to stop and literally open the one side to get to where you need to be, especially at my house.

SPEAKER_05 8:11

Over the last several years, especially over the last couple of months, we've had constructed vehicles, fine axles, uh, track trailer trucks, and that you mentioned probably the residential people where trash trucks that come down, rail trucks. We have I guess in a small area, we can really put one cat down.

Neighbor Concerns: Traffic And Safety

SPEAKER_03 8:51

So I just somebody's gonna have the sample.

SPEAKER_05 8:56

Maybe it's not as well as the boys like special profits, or maybe uh this of that just can be approached the police.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, basically it's still a question within this tab whether that's CD hill is a private way. Certain sectors are sending hill? Is it private way? Circle sectors are sitting hill as that. So there's a green area which is contributing to all the problems here as far as other development, which people want to have the building second hill. So we get one five traffic, people don't know the neighborhood is something very fast. So over the years.

SPEAKER_05 9:55

So I hope my theory is like uh yes, if he wants to build a yeah, whatever he's gonna build for recreational vehicles, it's still too much. That's a camera or that's I mean I can barely get down by robot and pull up to somebody's life.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

And now we want to bring recreational vehicles, and let us say he's got a building. He's got a construction business, he's got a roof for business. I mean he's gonna have to come to his property here and there, so he's gonna bring more vehicles. It's it's very dangerous. The situation become dangerous, and I fear that something's gonna happen. And I'm just staying on this board, I just position, and just kind of have to take a look at this area because it's getting better. Thank you very much.

Public Comment On Speed And Conduct

SPEAKER_06 10:56

My name is Tina Butler, I live at 59 CD However, I live by angle from away they've building. Um my thing is with the speed again. I've come home multiple times and almost got rearrunning because they're speeding up or when I'm happy out here, they're coming up. I talked to Mr. I think Mike was asking he's whatever. I cut the cuffs on him. Because three times I've asked them to slow down. Mike came up to me for his and told me that's something swarmed at me, and then Mike told me that people get out of 30 and square. Which is about 25 seconds as my husband's 20 seconds. We have kids on that road, we have the walker animals on that road. These eyes is multiple times where they almost hit a couple of us. I have spacing up the most couple of beer workers. If something happens to my dog, I'm gonna be one of the motherfuckers. We can't keep having this. And we can't have people specially come in at us when we're asking us, hey, please, we've talked multiple times. It's not just me, it's the multiple neighbours who asked them. He has one kid, he had another sign who came out and started yelling and swearing at another neighbor. We can't have this on our neighborhood. We have our neighbourhoods off neighborhood. Um again, um, the same as Kevin. That road's not big enough if they're trying to build more and trying to get more construction down there. I'm sorry. But you see that your two cars can't go down that road. That's all I have to say.

SPEAKER_14 12:39

Um I'd like to say something in defense of that. I've never spoken to it. I've never seen it. I'm sorry. I've never spoken to it. And all these people that were talking about are subcontractors. I tell everybody subcontractor, please respect the road. It's not only my project, but there's two other projects at the end of the road, so it's not just me. There's uh landscaping tracks, rubbish trucks. Uh so it's not just me. I I do tell everybody to respect the screen. I can just say this is kind of a problem. I don't want the one screen down the road here. I respect what you're saying, but it's not me. I never swore whatever I never had it work for.

SPEAKER_06 13:28

Sorry, that was it must have been as all of a sudden it looks exactly my company. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

I'll I'll I'll click on my should probably have some confusion as sound that we also guys are here with pickup truck. Um but also my neighbors had uh words with um forward band with pickup trouble, I believe, is the side. I mean just because the other people slowed out or the incident in the front. The date? I mean other people we get a complication. Is this what we get we're we're gonna get special permits of people that committed and don't disrespect the neighborhood? Is this not right? Thank you. Um testimony. Do you guys have any questions? No.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

Um okay. Want to declare the uh public meet hearing closed so that the board can go into executive session. All may remain while the board uh deliberates, but none may speak.

SPEAKER_12 14:52

So it's recreational.

SPEAKER_05 15:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

In terms of all the costs and so forth, I'm going in now construction, so I understand that construction.

SPEAKER_12 15:10

However, you know, causing a problem going too fast, the complications with the news and so forth, isn't it? I don't know if it's really required. I get a policy to go down there. Is that much work going on?

SPEAKER_05 15:26

Well, it's not just this one. It's not just this I don't know how it's being built.

Board Deliberation On Barn And Traffic

SPEAKER_12 15:32

I understand that, but I'm not saying it necessarily has to be paid for completely by this particular building, but in general, I mean it's difficult, you know, unless you hire a detailer, please because I can stay down there all day long and watch what's going on. I don't know how you can go guards down there, right? It's so complicated all the time.

SPEAKER_05 15:53

I mean it's not in our it would have to be the uh police.

SPEAKER_04 15:59

At the end of the day, they're just asking for a garage. The house is already approved. The house is approved. They still have this other proposed A D here. So additional traffic is gonna be him with whatever he's using for recreation. Depending on how big the code is, the motorhome.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

But at the end of the day, it's a it's a garage in the garage property to house in as long as there's no construction. And as soon as that happens, we've got a problem.

SPEAKER_05 16:34

Yeah. And even even if if he doesn't build it, he's still got them, he's gonna store them on the property.

SPEAKER_04 16:40

If he doesn't do the ADU, which has nothing, we have no jurisdiction over them anymore. That's just the building permit that gets issued regardless of traffic, if there's traffic in the air or not. I mean, that's the state. So it is bringing more traffic than the garage. If the garage is strictly for his personal use, it's not you know more than noon at night coming in and out.

SPEAKER_12 17:09

All the different subcontractors sit down with the representative of the neighborhood. And the representative of the police department to make sure that we understand that that is a residential area. So you have to bring back those. You gotta bring trucks in some people have to live. And that's that's and I I do I sympathize with their concern. I live on a dead-end type street. And they come running down the supposed at the beginning of the street, 20 miles an hour. It says 20 miles an hour, they come down that street at 40, 45 miles an hour. The neighbors are always looking at me funny because I'm always yelling to slow down.

SPEAKER_04 17:52

The size of the garage isn't gonna matter. So anything over three cars, you need to come in front of us. The size of this, it's not changing the car count, the traffic for for what it is. At the end of the day, if he's trying to put a motor on them, you need to put the length, which you're not gonna get under the standard. And unfortunately, with the with the traffic subcontractors, there's nothing we can do.

SPEAKER_05 18:27

I mean, they can they can ask that they used to go down there a couple days, and after they give a few tickets, some of the guys might slow down, but but it's not something that's in appropriate.

SPEAKER_12 18:37

Yeah, yeah. I I I would I would suggest that you that we talk to the chief and see what he can do about sending guys down there on a regular basis, you know, uh randomly and they're at work there to see what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

There is time, you know, you can't stop before 7 a.m. too. So you know the time we're gonna be.

SPEAKER_12 18:56

I didn't ask that question anyway. I I I hope you're able to 7 a.m. 10 p.m. Because if they're not, well then that's another issue and we can go after them.

SPEAKER_05 19:06

Yeah. But as far as uh the the garage, I mean it's a big garage. It's a big garage, but it's it's used for recreational vehicles, it's not gonna be the business. And and it's uh well uh set back from any boundary, so uh that's not infringing on any other property. So okay. All right. Um should we vote now or we come back into session or we'll um I'd like to reopen the uh oh yeah, you don't want to make a motion?

SPEAKER_04 19:48

Yeah, make a motion to exit executive session.

Vote: Barn Approved With Conditions

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Second second.

SPEAKER_05 19:55

All in favor? Aye, aye. Um so uh reopening the meeting at 719. Um we'll take a vote on whether to approve or not. Um anybody want to make a motion?

SPEAKER_03 20:12

Uh make a motion to approve it.

SPEAKER_12 20:14

Uh stipulation of only recreational vehicles that go into Blackarag and not construction equipment.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

We advise the neighbors to receive construction appointment immediately come to the point to the uh approval inspector's office.

SPEAKER_05 20:31

You want a second?

SPEAKER_04 20:32

Yeah, a second. All in favor?

SPEAKER_05 20:35

Aye. Aye. It passes. Um so the decision is passed. Uh anyone having objections to the decision may file an appeal with the Superior Court, and that appeal shall be filed with the town clerk within 20 days of the filing of the board's decision with the town clerk. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_05 21:12

And the neighbor, something else you might want to look into is um is uh they have those speed bumps.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Excuse me, sir, are you talking?

SPEAKER_05 21:22

I I'm just saying in general for the for the neighborhood. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

Yes.

unknown 21:31

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_05 21:32

Thank you.

unknown 21:32

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

So I don't know you, I've done that too. Uh we'll do the best, and then all we do is that we slow down. Slow down. Real make the party network my neighbor, slow down.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

Excuse me. Yes, sorry. We can't have that in here. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

No, I'm just saying slow down.

SPEAKER_04 21:52

Please.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Okay. No, no, thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 22:01

All right. Okay, we got the next one.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

The Rainham Board of Appeals will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, November 19th, 2025 at 7 p.m. Brainham to the Veterans Memorial Town Hall, 558 South Main Street. Consider petition number 1061. Karen Daly, Rainham Nask, and appeal pursuant to GL Chapter 40A, Section 8, premium zoning bylaws of the Building Commissioner decision to grant the falling relief. Nuisance fence along property lines to be removed. Holes with cameras to be removed. Order of Mr. Aruto no longer direct cameras towards Miss Daly's property. In storage containers be placed at the rear property and properly screened. Locust property is 451 Church Street, assessment at 18, lot 20A, Rainham Mass. Anyone wish to be heard on this matter should attend the hearing. Copy of the plan and application can be viewed in full at the Rainham Town Clerk's Office or Board of Appeals office during scheduled business hours. Rainham Board of Appeals, Calvarano Chamber.

SPEAKER_05 23:16

Okay. All who intend to give testimony, could you please rise? Anyone that's gonna speak or give testimony. Um do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give this board shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So help you go ahead.

unknown 23:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 23:36

Thank you. So the petitioner.

Petitioner Evidence: Videos And Bylaws

SPEAKER_03 23:41

Um thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Attorney John Norris. I represent Miss Karen Daly. Uh I'm probably gonna ask in a second that we turn the lights off just so you could see the video images that we're about to propose, but for the time being, I'll be allowed. I'm just gonna move this a little bit more and pull this out so people can see the details. As you'd stated, the issue that we have was brought out on September 23rd. It was brought out to the select board at one of their regularly held meetings. Uh, they heard our issue and in response had sent it over to the building commissioner. The building commissioner heard multiple issues. I'm going to address three of them, the three that we're appealing today. The first one involves cameras on top of 20-foot poles that are directly looking at Ms. Garand's property. The second that I'm going to address is a fence that is over six feet tall, has is created to put up hard wire, and is currently overhanging the property line. The last one I'm going to talk about are cargo boxes, very large storage boxes that are also put directly against the line. You probably have a commissioner's report in front of you. And I know hand handouts in the middle of the dark is kind of silly, but thank you. The very first image that I want to show you is a short video, and we'll walk you through it as we go. It gives you a general overview of what's going on and how the house looks in general. The property you see in front of you in the center is 451 Church. This is where Miss Karen Bailey lives. You'll notice that everywhere else in the picture, all you see is greenery, and along property lines, you don't see anything out of place except for one place. You'll notice it actually happens on the border between the back of our property and then on the side. Please keep in mind the image is flipped, you're not projected from the back. You'll notice that there are several very large storage boxes. These are the storage boxes that we're going to be discussing in a minute. This is drone footage that was taken a little over five weeks ago. This is relatively representative of what's there today, with one exception. A new box that an electrical service has been run to has been added in on the right-hand side. You'll also notice, it's hard to see here, but you'll get a close-up in a second, that Miss Garen Daly does have her own fence on the inside of her pocket. It's kind of hard to see, but it's a black fence that goes right here. Just a foot or two away from it is the fence that goes along the property line. This is the one that Mr. Aruda has put in place. And on the 23rd of September, during the meeting, he even said that he was possibly going to go for the barbed wire to be installed with a special permit removing.

unknown 26:59

Mr.

Claims Of Privacy Invasion And Nuisance Fence

SPEAKER_03 27:00

Aruda, more than just putting giant boxes around in this barbed wire fence, the first issue I want to bring up is the 20-foot poles and the camera. The building commission has decided that this is not the purview of zoning. I would like to disagree. And you'll see in section 350-10.1 of the zoning board bylaws, you'll notice that it actually has a definition of what a structure is: a material fixed in a place that offers support. That has a perfect definition of poles that holds something on top of it and gives support to that item. In this particular instance, what we have is 20-foot-tall poles with cameras on top. There are currently four poles that support cameras. Two of those poles with cameras are facing into Miss Daly's property. There are three cameras atop those particular poles. Video cameras? They are video cameras. There are two additional cameras that are on the next property over that is owned by her son, Blake Stereo. Those facing to his property. But today we're just dealing with Miss Karen Daly and her polls and those issues. To give you an idea of what it's like to live under one of these cameras, Miss Daly was driving home. She got to her driveway. She went in, and you can see the camera's not only on, it has a motion sensor and a light. That motion sensor and the light are not facing away. They're facing towards her driveway. Which means that this is currently recording not the street. It's not a security camera that's protecting the property of Mr. Aruda. This is a camera that is facing her driveway, the front of her home, and the side of her home where there are windows for her bathroom. Just to demonstrate, you'll notice that as she turns her camera around, it goes right to her home. It's not looking in a different direction. It's not trying to provide safety. It's an intimidation tack. We had a drone operator go out to the back where there's this double camera at the back of her property. You saw the single camera that looked at the front. These are two cameras on one pole that faces the exterior of hers. And this is what it's looking at. You can see the front of her property is this way. This is one that faces the street. That's where this camera is currently looking into her property and into her home. These two cameras that the drone is showing you is actually going the other way and looking in the back side, where her living room is, where her kitchen is, where she has family gatherings, where her young son stays and plays out in the backyard. Again, these are not security cameras, they're only looking at her property. You'll notice it's at the corner. And with the corner, it actually looks in both directions. But over here is another camera. This one is actually abutting onto Mr. Blake's Terrace property. Again, cameras facing into their homes, not security cameras. The building commissioner determined that this is not a structure, which is a very interesting concept because almost all municipalities use the word structure incredibly broad. And the idea is that you want to capture as many things as humanly possible so that there's no things that kind of get away. The definition of your 10.1 specifically says anything that's in a fixed space, fixed material. I would present to you that all of these poles are those things. It offers support to the cameras on top. Those cameras that are solar paneled are constantly watching this daily. And as you've seen, when she approaches her house, it reminds her that she's being watched. The entire purpose of having bylaws is so that the town can determine what is acceptable and what's not. Your charge as a CBA is to keep the health, morality, welfare of the town in mind. It's actually right in the very beginning of this section. I would posit that these cameras have nothing to do with health. They have nothing to do with safety. Again, they're facing into his sister's property. Into his nephew's property. It's not looking for thieves. It's not looking for anyone to break on the property. There's no history of them breaking into the property. Instead, it's an intimidation scare tactic which breaks the morality of this tactic. I hope you find that at least these are in violation. According to the building commissioner, anybody in this room or their neighbor could wreck one of these poles directly on the side of their property and then have camera space in the house 24-7. In your packets, I've also included some state law that talks about cameras and people's private security and privacy. We have a right to privacy in Massachusetts, and we also have a constitutional right to privacy. This violates every section of it. And there's actually a case for V. McMahon that is cited in there that gives you some of the details of that case. They're identical to this one. And that one they were found to be live. One last thing about the cameras. Are we all set? Can I put the lights back on? No, give me one more second. Redfree Daly, Ms. Karen Daly's ex-husband, has informed us that these videos and these pictures aren't just staying at the house. We've been informed that Mr. Ruda has actually been sending pictures indoor videos to other people. So he's not just recording Karen's property, bathroom windows, uh, bedroom windows, kitchen windows. He's also possibly sending it out to other people. The next thing I want to talk about is the fence. Last one, then lights off. You'll notice the fence goes along the side. That was the first camera, falls it all the way down to the second camera. This fence was measured at 84 inches, seven feet tall. We have the measurement inside there the last end of the packet. It goes all along the popping line between this or root and there. It goes on the back line at this room here. I do want to point out that on the back end, you can actually see right here, he put concrete jersey barriers. It follows along the concrete line. This fence, when it was installed, Mr. Aruda informed the fence people to put it in a certain location because he knew where the irrigation system was. He held it installed. And when he installed it, he remembered the location. When he had this fence installed, it punctured the irrigation system and the water went spraying everywhere. The reason I bring this terrible memory up is because this fence is in violation of the bylaws. It's also in violation of statutory law. And this is a nuisance fence. This is not the stereotypal type of fence you put out normally. It exceeds the six-foot limit. And on top of that, it has hooks that come over into Karen's property that are meant to hold barbed wire. Which means if you allowed the special permit to go forward when he goes to apply for it, the barbed wire would be hanging over her property with her 14-year-old son.

SPEAKER_05 35:17

Yeah, hold on.

unknown 35:27

Can you can you guys tell me what that pile is?

SPEAKER_13 35:31

Like this is her property, correct? This is her barn.

SPEAKER_04 35:35

Can you just take your name?

SPEAKER_13 35:37

Joe Aruda.

SPEAKER_05 35:39

This address. Thank you.

SPEAKER_13 35:42

This pile, that's on her property, right? That pile of trash in that truck? You just asked me. It's already been removed. No, I'm asking a question. Is that what is that?

SPEAKER_03 35:53

Okay, I would also like to ask the relevance. This has nothing to do with the violation.

SPEAKER_13 35:56

If you want to talk about a nuisance, you had a fire hazard against the barn. That's what you did. You guys threatened to burn my barn now. So I'm just pointing out.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

But sorry. Again, not relevant. Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_04 36:10

Excuse me, but one person talks at a time. Yes, please. And whoever's speaking has to be at the podium. Thank you.

SPEAKER_12 36:18

You want to start with the video?

SPEAKER_03 36:19

I'll set it. The building commissioner determined that the fence was not in violation. Even though we talked about the height, we talked about the nature of it. The only thing he stated was it was not a violation because barbed wires were actually on it at that time. Which I find to be rather interesting because the fence, the big huge containers that are put up, the just barriers, the cameras were all happening roughly the same time. On top of the fact that he put into place he knew it would destroy the irrigation system demonstrates that this is a nuisance fence, both by the local town bylaws and statutory articles.

SPEAKER_04 37:03

Interesting, one question for you. You keep going back to the irrigation line. Whose property is the irrigation line on?

SPEAKER_03 37:08

It was on the line. So he put the fence on the line, but again, he installed it. So he knew where it was.

SPEAKER_04 37:15

I'm just curious who's like, is it what property line is it on what property is it on?

SPEAKER_03 37:20

It's between both of them. As far as I know, it's actually directly on the line. We have to go and do a survey to figure out exactly where it is. But as far as I know, it's directly on the line between the two properties.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Shouldn't that be put right up?

Respondent’s Rebuttal And Farm Defense

SPEAKER_03 37:34

No, actually, I completely agree. I completely that shouldn't have been. But that was open. It is. But that's the thing. If the two of them both put it in. So if Karen had to put it in, Joe would have helped out. The last thing I want to talk about is these connexes that you saw in the video. I'm sorry, a military mold school, so I say conneces, the giant cargo boxes in the back. The first one is that they're temporary. I don't understand how he considers them to be temporary because they've been there for over a year. I also don't understand the second one where he says it's a farm exemption. Under 48, section 3, it talks about farm exemptions, and that's a very good law. It provides very valuable, necessary protections for farms. But it explicitly says four times in the first line of the statute that it's only for things, property and land, that is used primarily for farming. These cargo boxes don't count. Not being used for farming, not being used for anything. They're being used again as a part of this border skirmish between the two siblings. And some of them Mr. Aruda has to use as a punishment towards his sister. They are supposed to be removed to the back of the property and then properly protected from public view. But as you saw in the video, from the front of her property, you can see them very clearly. On top of that, every time she goes to use her backyard, or her 14-year-old son goes back to use the yard, or her son Blake comes to visit, or people come to visit, she now has to explain why there are these gigantic boxes out the past. The building inspector also said they were temporary, which is interesting because Mr. Aruda has recently added another one and then ran electrical wires to it. He's put service on the side of one of them, which would make them permanent. And therefore, under the other person's own assessment, subject to the law. The second thing is they're not farmers. Because they're not farmers, 48 doesn't apply. If his first concept that temporary ones are automatically going to be discounted from this, then why is there a temporary carve out in the law for temporary boxes for construction? We've all seen it where buildings get built, where they get taken down, they'll bring in these giant uh storage bins, they'll store things in the intermediate time. You've built a carve out for that. Which means that everything else is subjected to the rule. If you had a carve out for permanent and temporary, why isn't it in the actual bylaw? It's not. Because of that, it does apply to this, and it should be sent to the back of the property, properly screened. We're not even asking for rid of them altogether. Just to follow the bylaw. Those conventions have had no purpose. After we did the meeting on the 23rd with the select board, Mr. Ruda started making some changes, and that's when he brought in the new box and ran electrical wire to it. He's also in the process of having TMLP run electricity out there. Which means even if he didn't want them to be permanent, he's now declaring they're going to be permanent. Again, under the building commissioner's concept, his interpretation, anybody here or anybody's neighbor, could buy one of those, put it on the property line, and just leave it there because it's temporary. Even if they're not a farm. I'm asking you to reject his logic and instead just impose the simple bylaws. For the fence, we're asking that the fence be taken down because it is a nuisance fence. If he wants to re put out another fence, one that complies with the law, six feet tall, the good side facing the neighbor, and all that good stuff, fine. And as far as the cameras go, the ones that violate basic moral principles, we're asking that those be taken down and not allowed to be a record again. Any questions, Jim?

SPEAKER_12 41:38

Are you sure in the bylaws are six feet high?

SPEAKER_03 41:44

I put the statute in there. What? No, we don't have under NL 49-that's section 21. It goes in there and talks about anything over six feet tall. For this tab, for the bylaws, it was section 2248-5. That's an unnecessary noise, it actually covers a specific thing in uh in its entirety. It was directed to meet for the purpose of annoying occupants. The state statue talks about actual six feet at the top. Thank you. Yeah. You have seven feet at the top of the five wire? Yep, top of the highest point. So the top of the extension? Top of the height of the top wire. That's the seven feet. Which are hanging over the property line, I guess. So you assume the fence itself is only six feet. I don't have that information. I would assume it's either close or close to. But again, the purpose of the fence was to create a hard wire fence around the stable. And that was the problem. Because all of this. I probably if you just put up a fence. That's about six feet, that's insufficient to actually demonstrate the distance fence. But the fact that the context is given at the same time, the cameras went up at the same time, this battle between the two of the litigation point. This all is happening within the same timeline, which is sufficient to show the intention behind this fence. There was no fence prior. And then they put this barbwire fence up.

SPEAKER_07 43:25

So you're going to have December 23rd.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

December 3rd, 23rd, 2023. Would anyone else like to speak? I would like to. I'd like to. I guess some package I'd like to show executive. Joseph Roberta 369 should be. So I'll begin in my With uh kind of um a reason why this uh we're here tonight.

SPEAKER_13 44:08

So number one, she's as an attorney that thinks he knows the law about what was going on there, but we are a farmer, we are farmers, which we've held in this farm in this community since 1969. Uh the feds, well, let me try to go to everything. The timeline, you'll see that Karen daily decided that the back property was hers, not the property that I bought from my dad, because my dad wanted me to continue the farm. So you'll see that when she tried to deceive the court, and the judge put a statement right in there denied because she tried to deceive the court. That was the first page that I got. So that's why it's been a year and a half, because every time I try to go over there to do something for the farm, to keep it in my head, my brother's memory, uh, I get blocked.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

So we went to court, the judge ruled with us, and then we came back and we decided the connect boxes the um the cameras. If you'd like to see my phone, I can show you the, and I'm looking, I have no interest in looking at her at all.

Community Testimony On Barbed Wire And Cameras

SPEAKER_13 45:24

I I secure my property and I can show you that if you'd like to see it. I got it right here live, I can show you. None of the cameras are pointing out that camera in the front, it's just a wide lens and it kicks on, but it grows right down the driveway just in case somebody gets. The fence is there. I talked to the building inspector before I even put the fence up. She has an aluminum fence.

SPEAKER_03 45:50

I'm having cows and pigs. My, if that bull or cow went through that fence, it would, I would be sued.

SPEAKER_13 45:58

The fence is two feet off the property. Those things do not encompass, even as pitchers showed that those things do not encompass. We stopped because we were gonna come here to get permission to put the bob wire up. We're just, it has been a health battle for me and a time battle for me to try to keep the farm alive. And I'm gonna keep that farm alive. And I think that it with all the interruptions, you know, you get here and you listen to someone lie about you. You said I gotta hide it behind trees. I'd say, there's no trees. There's no trees. That driveway, there's no trees. And she has this massive light over a ridiculous Dallas Cowboy basketball group that is towering more than my poles.

unknown 46:48

My poles are there for the animals.

SPEAKER_13 46:50

If God forbid they got out. I don't know about it. There's census. I don't know how else to control that. This he talks about a revenge offense. I don't even know why he's saying a revenge fence. I don't even know a revenge fence on this fucking nuisance. But the nuisance is the fact that she has a stuff. She has kids in AI. An aluminum fence is not going to start our out. We're putting fence all the way around the whole property when the animal's out. But right now, I got a season assistor that you'll see that he called on October 18th, knowing that my animals are coming back from my sandwich palm to be put there for the wind. That way I have better control of them.

unknown 47:30

And I need ice management, so I had power plant.

SPEAKER_13 47:34

And yes, those those jersey barriers, those are so animals can't borrow underneath that fence and get between. I mean, I did everything I could to stop the animals from going that way. Those containers are housing each uh housing each animal. But now I have to get approval from the attorneys to be able to put the power. The trucks were there the other day to put the power up so I can get the animals back by November 1st.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

And he sent the letter.

SPEAKER_13 48:02

He doesn't know what he's doing. He's not a farmer, he's not a farm lawyer. I mean, he's trying for her, but she's feeding them lies, and that's what's happening. The lies are getting out of control. There's nothing illegal about what I've done there at all.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

And I plan on putting my animals there.

SPEAKER_13 48:20

I'm gonna have to rent generators and they're gonna have to pay for them, and he's gonna have to pay for them so we can get the power turned on because he's the one who started the fight. And I've got the Found Bureau coming after them. So, you know, they want to, they're coming here and lying to you people, and I'm embarrassed. I'm not gonna air out dirty laundry. I've been in this town my whole life. I think all of you know my statue in this town. I I worked hard to make a nice statue. I'm sorry I thought they're a little rambous, but I mean, the fire department's been down to that house twice because they they started a fire with hay. I mean, the fire department put the fire out. They were all up there drinking, I think it's funny, throwing stocks in my hay on. You know, that was my brother's pride and joy. My brother died of candy. And that was his thing. And I'm gonna keep that alive as long as I live. My sons and my granddaughters and my grandsons will take it after me. That family farm has been there for a long time, and I think he's pretty damn proud of it. There's something else I missed and you guys want me to clarify.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

I mean, I can tell you, I can show you the camera view, I can show you the those lenses, they cameras always kind of look like they're going somewhere else. Do the cameras face your property at all? Yeah. I can show you. They they face down the driveway. Show me. I'll show you live right now. The ones in the backyard as well. This is I want you to see it. There's four cameras where we can actually see the curve. This is the corner down, and you can go through it. There's no there's nothing that says uh you got it. But uh so say this is the back corner, let's storage trucks on it. You know, it the camera is pointing down.

SPEAKER_13 50:07

It's just again if someone goes in that bottom area, but it's on the property, or you don't have to be. I don't care about her. I get she doesn't even exist to me at all. So the mo so when she pulls in the motion light, it's it's it's just a widespread light. I don't know how that happens to my neighbor across the street.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

I a car drives down the street. But it doesn't video that. The light goes on. You know what I mean? It's just the it's just a it's just a light that's no on that light that goes on. It's not a time, no. It's just it just goes on with the motion, but is there a camera on that? Oh, yes, yes, yes, pointing away.

SPEAKER_13 50:51

Pointing down my driveway to that point. Randy can you get a picture of that?

SPEAKER_03 50:57

So I have I have uh questions now with the containers. Yes, those are the animals. I know.

SPEAKER_05 51:05

Uh you're gonna use them to to hodge your animals and things, but uh should there be a uh uh 10-foot setback from the property line?

SPEAKER_13 51:16

No, no at once. You can go right to the and plus I already have I did set back the fence between the two and got it. And the in the screening, like you can see, she screened my dad's property years ago. Uh we put trees on that side. And and to honestly think in the 35 years I can remember where an irrigation line is, it's kind of ridiculous. I don't even know where they are on my own path. And and the irrigation line extended into our property. It wasn't, you know, it was all a family thing, it didn't matter. I could have capable of that sort of line. But now lines have been drawn because of greed. And I haven't asked for anything. I didn't get anything from my mother. I mean, would it be possible to like just paint them for all green? So they're all green. I could do anything, but just the problem I have every time I go over there. She's taken she's taken my family, my sons, and myself to court 22 times court. Alright, she lied that she owned the property, that the money that I paid my dad. It's just starting to do a lot of things. And I I would be lying to you to say I couldn't. But what she's done to the family, she's broken in the pot.

SPEAKER_03 52:47

I mean, as far as the poles, he is correct. She has a pole just installed on her property. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 52:56

Um but I'll be honest with you, I do consider both the ones on her property and his as structures. Because they are supporting something. Of course, one of the only lights, but they're structures.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

I I got another question for you. Yes, sir. The the the bars extending for for Bob wire extend into her yard. No, they do not. They don't. No.

Cross-Examination Of Camera Angles

SPEAKER_13 53:18

No, 110%. Look at her fence. Her fence is actually I think. I actually paid the fence guy to move her fence.

SPEAKER_12 53:29

You have a you pay for the fence guy then? You have an animal do you think can collect and go over that fence? I have an animal to go through that fence if I didn't put it. Through, I mean I I believe it three, through, but over to the barb one? Well, it's not about the animals.

SPEAKER_03 53:44

It's about the safety of a kid going up over.

SPEAKER_13 53:47

If a kid goes up, go forbid, and gets on the other side, and then one of those animals does a sudden sue it. Should sue work. So I secured my property so that this wouldn't happen because I don't trust them anymore. What's that? I can't decide. Yeah, I mean it like I said, I the kid the animals are coming back November. They're supposed to come back November 1st, but by him stalling it off, he's gonna have to answer to that. So the reason he put your bog wire brackets facing hurry on is so the kids can't jump forward. And I don't know, it doesn't have balls and you just have the brackets. I put the brackets up, but I was gonna do everything right so that no one got hurt. And then there was a big deal. So I just stopped.

SPEAKER_03 54:37

How tall is that fence? This fence is six foot tall. Those are uh those extensions go at an angle and probably go up another four.

SPEAKER_13 54:49

But it's just so something can't go open. And I was completely within my rights to do that.

SPEAKER_04 54:58

So obviously you're in the middle of doing something, so what is a partial picture of what is taking place on your property? Yes. What is your your game plan on the property? Actually, animals.

SPEAKER_13 55:22

We do it in the summer, we have 250 acres that we have in the sandwich up against the airport space. Um, that we have our animals at, and then in the winter it's kind of hard to bring them back and forth in the cold and keeping an eye on them, so we bring them back and put them in. Right now we're in we're in some sort of a uh we're gonna go season assist. I didn't know I found out what the TLP. I kept calling it. I gotta have these animals back.

SPEAKER_03 55:57

Anyone on the other side? Anyone else wants to be allowed to do this? What is the reasoning my dad had a pad there for me? Yeah, that was a pad. It was just keep clean. You know what I mean? It was easier to keep clean than we had than a pad. So that's all that pad. No, it's it's actually like an asphalt pad, and then you put the hay on top, and it keeps it warm in the window.

SPEAKER_13 56:27

You know, instead of the concrete scale. We put those uh hot. We enjoy the highway. I mean, we have the one up here too. Uh right up the street. Oh, the cow over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Board Weighs Jurisdiction And Farm Rights

SPEAKER_11 56:45

Okay, so just gentlemen, hi, my name is uh Manuel Bonette. I'm at 231 Ultra Street. I drive a lot to that direction uh between her and his house. And I see it. Me coming from Boston and the place where I used to live, it kind of feels like it's turning into like a prison. Me personally, I don't know how anybody feels. I know how bar wire feels. I got caught by that before. It's not fun. It's maybe it could be dangerous to. I'm just saying. You said you were dressed your question. So I thought that. So that can become dangerous if he does consider. And I've gone to the resident before, and he goes this direction. So her friend's here. So if that comes up, if kid, nephew, whatever want to play basketball is gonna pop the ball, or if you want to try to do something, I could lean a little bit over. That could be kind of dangerous personally. Another thing with the camera, I'm an IT person, kind of like I'm I've worked in that type of uh department. I gone there, I seen how the camera looks. Yes, the camera is facing directly to her house. He could have an angle towards facing his property, but there is always a percentage that is going to be looking at their at her property. The one in the beginning, honestly, I think that's unnecessary. Just the beginning one. If he wants the other two, it could face towards the barn, personally. Doesn't have to face towards the opposite direction. I understand about the animals. I love animals. And he wants to do what he wants to protect them. But also, we have to respect our cameras are looking at him. And on her side, it's kind of like it looks, it literally looks facing her property. Just no matter what cameras you get, you can adjust it at whatever angle, like a ring camera. Everybody has ring. You what do they tell you when you do it when you put a ring? Draw a diagram where you want it to sense. Same thing with those cameras. You draw a diagram, but there's also those extra that won't be saved, but it will still be seen. That's all I got to say. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_10 59:22

How are you doing? That I just want to begin with that camera that he showed you. Was it the front camera or was it one of the back cameras?

SPEAKER_12 59:29

He had all of them on there.

SPEAKER_10 59:30

He had all of them on there. It didn't face the house.

SPEAKER_12 59:34

Well, that's that's what he said. I mean, it's just a picture this big because.

SPEAKER_10 59:38

Yeah, I mean, it would have been nice if he pulled it up for you because when my mom or my little brother takes out the trash and I take out the trash and I see the camera go on, when we're in the middle of our driveway, not near the property line, it's way over. It's I don't know, 35, 40 feet, and the camera's turning off. That that broad width doesn't go that far. With the conic box is bringing his animals back, the animals have never been there. There hasn't been an animal on that farm in over 30 years. You know, since they had horses in a garage at one point, long ago, with my grandparents. There's been no animals there, so I'm gonna bring it back. There hasn't been any cattle there? No. There's no animals there. All that's strictly been for a long time is just hay. And there's a big hole barn, I'm not sure how big it is. It's it's got enough for probably 10,000 bales in there of square bales. And uh, I grew up on the farm too. I grew up in 465 Church Street. I've been there from 0 to 13 to 18 till now. You know, and we've never had animals as far as I've been alive. And it's just uh just a little absurd that he's saying he's bringing them back because they haven't been there. So uh as for those conic boxes and the barbed wire going or the future, what he wants, barbed wire going over the property line. Like I said, like they said before, my little brother plays basketball out there. It it's not to protect him, there's no animals running through that fence. But hey, I don't I don't know. Like, I've never had animals, so uh I think that's pretty much it for me, other than the cameras, too. On my side, they're facing my backyard too, but that's just neither here nor there. You know, it's pretty much all the same. Thank you. Okay.

SPEAKER_12 1:01:47

Oh no. Come on.

unknown 1:01:49

Could you move your screen there? I need to just one.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:54

Yes. Oh. Uh you saw me swear at the testimony you're about to give.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:03

Yes.

unknown 1:02:04

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:04

My name is Karen Yahoo. Um, and I live at the 4213. Um my parents passed away.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:13

Could you speak into the mother of the school?

Drafting Remedies: Poles, Lights, Screening

SPEAKER_07 1:02:14

My parents passed away. Um, my dad passed away in 2022, my mother passed away in 2023. Right after my mother passed away, we were getting along, and then December of um 23, he hires a detail and comes over with a detail with his um son, um, his older son, my godson, and um they destroyed a garage door on one of the um properties that my son owns now that I actually had taken to court and that um the um clerk magistrate ruled in my favor and they had a pay for the door. At the same time, they put that fence up, and I took care of that land because my my parents owned the land, and I took care of all that land up to that driveway on the sideway that he has now it goes out back. I took care of it. He did all my site work. My I put my irrigation over there just because that's where my dad told me to put it, and he helped where I was supposed to put it. So he never gave me warning that he was gonna put a fence on. So I watched and out the window while I have irrigation going everywhere. My my bill now is still a thousand dollars because I had to have someone come in and shut it off, and I didn't know the first time that it was, I knew it blew up. I thought by shutting that zone off that I wouldn't it wouldn't continue to leave, but he broke so much piping that it came in and wrote more piping. So I don't know why it's only around my property. And he told my ex-husband that he was gonna make me, I worked in corrections, I retired from corrections. He said he was gonna make me look like I was back in a prison by putting that fence only around my property line in cameras. I'm not here to spill out everything. I just want you to understand that I feel like I'm a prisoner. Like he said, he wanted to make me feel like those poles that want, I have people tell him at some kid on the bus, why do you have poles on the side of your house that have cameras? I have a picture, I just can't find it right now of my um boyfriend at the time, mow in the grass next to there, and he he flipped the camera off because he knew Joey was looking at it, and he sent it to my ex-husband. And my ex-husband calls me yelling at me, what is going on over there? And he's like, Joe's sending me pictures of um you in the back yard, um, your boyfriend in the back yard mowing the line, like, that's my privacy. Like, he's making it that now I'm getting in a fight with my ex-husband, which why are you sending pictures to people? I don't even know who else he sent it to. So when he showed that camera, that camera is facing directly into my property. You saw it when I called him the eye. I was, I can go right to the side like this, and go like this to my house. And it's right, it comes right on. I just, he says he's bringing cattle there, like my son said. There's never been animals there except for um horses back in the day. But he was gonna bring them in in November. He hasn't even fenced in the hole and stuff. The whole property's wide open except my side and that side. And I didn't even get a warning that he was gonna put a fence in. They just showed up and blew all my irrigation. Like, if you said that you were gonna do that, give me time to move my fence. He wanted to have my fence destroyed, and the fence guy came to me and said, We're gonna move your fence for you. We're not gonna let them smash it down. His son wanted to smash it down. I have it on video that his son said, Let's just smash it down. And the fence guy refused to do that. He wanted the fence guy to install the um the Bob Wy, and he refused because he knew he didn't have a permit for that. I'm just asking you, please, have them take down the power liner. Have them take down the poles and take down the cameras in the front. I'm banished. I have people here that live in this town that are afraid that they're going to have cameras on their pro um on their property lines if they're. I mean, look at, I have all these people come in, and they're all Breenham residents. They're all concerned that if their neighbor hates them, that they're going to get 20-foot holes with camera space in them because it's being allowed. I'm just asking you guys to take in consideration that no other part of the property except for my area is with this bar wire fence going around. If he was bringing bulls back November, why didn't he fence in the entire? Like this these bulls can jump into the river. It's there's only a lamb lion. Please just please have him remove those poles out front in the black wire. My son plays out there. I can't even mow between, so on the side and out back of those um trees out. I can't even mow without me my head hitting one of the barbarias. I can't even have someone come in and do my able vites. Have him put up able vites. I don't have him put up all the abilities around the bat. I don't care. I just want to be able to live in peace. I've lived here my whole life too. I mean, I'm sure you guys know who we are. I mean, it I'm just asking for you guys to please. I'm not asking for much. Just please have him take down the cameras next to my house. In the poles, and remove the bob wire. That's all I'm asking. Thank you.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:40

What can I do? One last comment because you guys have a bit gracious comment. Um, this is the pin cotton that we get every time. This is the law. It's a law, the hidden loop law. These people don't live next to a farm. I have the right to protect my animals, and it's the law that I can protect my animals. And they want to put this big thing in her and get up here and cry and case the animals won't be there. Okay? And for her to say that there's never been animals on that farm. When you moved to Florida, she got out of touch with reality. Her ex-husband of who thought he was the only person I called out would have failed at dunking done. Um not relevant. Not relevant at all. No, and we don't have to agree. It's or it is not don't drop it. I I I'm gonna drop it all, but this pity body that she does in front of you guys is disgusting. And I apologize, but as a failing person, I haven't done that tonight. I told you guys the facts, the facts are that's a farm. Everything I've done is legal, and I hope that you guys consider the law on this out there. Thank you.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:56

I'm not here as a pity party at all. Not at all. I'm here because that was my house. I'm just thinking of my house. Well, I like some bar wires, me coming from the projects in the hood, things like that. I don't like that feeling. Especially I I came to Rainham because it was comfortable. Honestly, this neighborhood, oh my gosh. It's day and night from Boston to here. It's beautiful. I love it. I'm being honest. I if I go have everybody move down here, I'll have it do it. You know, it's we understand about bar wire. Just get rid of the bar wire. That's I mean, the fans highly lead it. You know, for me, you knock that off, just leave the fancy, it'd be beautiful. You know, just leave that and just get rid of that front camera and put the other one facing back. That's pretty much it is, honestly. Me personally, you know, I wouldn't want that in my house because I know how I will got I will I know how well he's become. I will not allow that at all. I would have climbed the ladder and changed that camera the opposite way, me personally. Because I would not my wife to be seen by a camera like that at all. I'm just saying, you know, that it's you know, just the camera on the front, you know, just unnecessary, personally, the way it's looking. You got the tool in the bags, that's perfectly fine. Space that towards the animal, and the bow wire. You can leave the fence, get that out, that's it. Could you just speak? Oh, well, I'm gonna tell you, yeah. My name is Manuel Bonnet. Bonnet? Yeah, B-O-N-E-T. Okay. 231 Orchard Street.

unknown 1:10:43

Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:49

Just a couple quick points. If if the purpose of Artie speaked a bit. Oh, sorry, my name is Attorney John Norris. I'm here from this care and dale, 451 Church Street. If if the fence is really for the animals, why does it only support, why is it only along her property line instead of near the water where they could run away? If the cameras are really meant for the animals, why is one facing, as we've heard testimony today, of an independent party towards the house? And when I showed the video of her pulling into her driveway, it went off as she pulled in the driveway to show you that it's facing her property. If it was facing the other driveway, it would not have gone off because the camera would have been turned almost 180 degrees. If the idea of the convexes was to facilitate animals, why has it been over a year since he's done it? If the fence was to support animals, why has it been two years and no extensions been made? If any of this made any sense, I would actually agree. I think having a fence to keep in the animals makes perfect sense. But none of them, as we just heard, are jumping seven feet in the air into barbed wire. And if you're going to do that, you have the barbed wire facing in. This barbed wire faces into your property to keep things in, and they face out when you're intimidating someone.

SPEAKER_12 1:11:59

That's you know, that's what I have a problem with. You say it faces in, he says it faces out. I mean, do you have to go down? I mean, I went down there and I looked. I think it's facing what I think I saw was it facing her property, not his. Yes. That's what I think I saw.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:13

It does. Well, probably the same thing.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:16

Go look at the crossest farm. And you don't put, you don't have to. If you were an animal guy, you wouldn't have to put you don't put fence near the water. Cows don't jump to the water.

Final Conditions And Vote

SPEAKER_04 1:12:25

I have one question. I'm not sure. Who you would like to answer it? This right away. So that's between 451 and 429. This right away, yeah. Yes. Who so it's not part of her property in the top right?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:40

No, it's mine, it's Mr. Ruby's property. So this is his property on that is a system property, yes. This will I believe 429 was actually your customed? So 429.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:51

429 is my customer.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:52

Sorry, okay.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:53

And that right-of-way is mine. It's yours.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

So it's separate from 429. Yes. And the camera that's a question is right in the same direction here. Yeah. And this is where we're well. So this this is a separate. Yes.

SPEAKER_13 1:13:08

I have a roadway, but I have a roadway. I could actually put a road in there. But I'm trying to keep Ringham country.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:17

I I have one more. Why don't you come over here for a minute? Which yard is hers and which is his? So where this is this is hers. So actually those bob wire poles are one of the urbot.

SPEAKER_12 1:13:35

I'm not a farmer and I'm not in a defense business, but every other bottle wire fence I've ever seen is to keep people keep things in and spacing the property we want to keep people in.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:44

No, no, it's not to keep the way I've always seen it. Go down the process cow bomb. That's how we deal with people. Alright, I'm sorry. Thank you.

SPEAKER_12 1:13:58

Yeah, that's just okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:05

Do you want to be on the RD22 every time?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:11

I wasn't going to be able to do it. Yes, I do. Everybody's here.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:27

Um thank you so much for letting me approach. I just wanted to um make a comment after um this gentleman said that none of these people in Rainhand live near a farm. I actually did. It's um I'm right behind the Smith's farm. They have a little farm. Not a huge farm, but I'm directly behind them. And if they ever did that to me, I would be appalled that I'd be down here myself. I would not want cameras. They never had cameras. Um, they didn't even have that type of dancing. And um I just I would be in shock if that happened to me. Um so again, we live near a farm, and and that's why I'm here to support Karen and and um her son as well. Nobody should be put into that predicament, living like they're in a prison, living like they're being watched constantly. Um that's really upsetting. I I just I I don't think it's appropriate, and I am just asking and pleading that I will be with Karen daily.

SPEAKER_12 1:15:33

Before you go off, yeah. All of my volunteers together at Daiproof Manager, which is across the street from that. Yes. And and I'm I'm confused here because you know, I'm I'm not hearing the same story from both sides, and that's confusing to me and pleasant to me, okay? Cattle. I have seen cattle in that land while I was working at Dai Poo Pan. Now I know I worked there now in about four or five years, but I can remember seeing black cows out there. How else to describe them? Black cows wandering on that property.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:04

It was Andre.

SPEAKER_12 1:16:06

I'm sorry?

SPEAKER_07 1:16:06

Dan Andre had the cows up actually. Not on other properties, right?

SPEAKER_12 1:16:11

Thank you. Because I know I saw it.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:14

You would you would from the church, you would see that's Dan Andre's area. Okay, obviously wouldn't have to be.

SPEAKER_12 1:16:19

I didn't haven't lost my mind.

unknown 1:16:23

Thank you. She just answered the question. Oh yeah. Because I haven't seen the cat.

SPEAKER_13 1:16:29

And the Smith farms now all houses, correct? Right? That's that's house.

Administrative Wrap-Up And Adjournment

SPEAKER_00 1:16:34

Yep, that's why I said it's no longer um trying to. We would therefore 28 years after the property is now called.

SPEAKER_13 1:16:42

Yes, okay. So I I thought that we're a right to we are a right-to-farm community. So I mean I know you guys said that. It's taken enough for your time to make it.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:53

What's the last time it's been cattled at? Sir, I'm not gonna talk to you.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:59

This is our meeting, not yours. Um so anyone else wishes to make comment?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:06

Hi, my name's Patrick Cardi. I live with 22-hour drive. Did you live in Rainham for you?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:13

No, I didn't solve me swear that the testimony about if this board shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so I'll be done.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:21

Yes, I go. Thank you. Okay, I've been living in Rainham for 20 years. And I go by Church Street all the time to River Street. I have family on River Street. Uh my parents used to live in Pineville Estates that just go there all the time, stay on Church Street. My wife works for the food pantry. Uh she says she has cattle there and animals. I haven't seen nothing in 20 years except a couple that you set across the street. So where are these animals coming from? You know. Has anybody else seen them now? Why don't you ask the antrete? I'm not talking about anyone else?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:01

Is everyone else that's here that isn't speaking neighbors or people who live in the area? Neighbors. I know Paula doesn't live in that area, just a little highway.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:18

All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:19

So we're seeing there's no other testimony. Uh I want to declare that the public hearing is closed and I'll go into executive session.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:28

Paul may remain while the board deliberates, but now I may speak in the obviously caught in the crossfire of everything here.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:49

Um there is rights with being a farm. Everybody complains in town, everything here. Houses, houses, houses, houses. So there's farming rights that we need to put the cameras in this.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:15

No, I don't think cameras are on the case. Yeah, I don't know how that I don't think that has anything to do with us as far as cameras on houses of where they're.

SPEAKER_12 1:19:23

Well, I don't I don't know. See, that that's the thing I have the biggest problem with is the cameras. I really do. I don't the only way I see it having to do with us is the right for privacy. Okay, that that is a rule of the balls. If something is being done that's that invades on someone else's property or inconveniences someone else, I I see that as out of to deal with. I have a big problem with that. You know, the biggest problem I see here tonight is I get different stories from different sides, which you would you would expect. So which one do we do we believe? I don't think if those poles facing, you may say that another another uh five hazard that way. But go buy a prison and tell me which way the barbed wire fence. The faces rather. Does it face outside to keep people from getting into the prison, or does it face inside to keep the people from getting out of the prison? And these are just the opposite. And by the way, for whoever said, but I don't like the barb wire there, I wouldn't like it either. But the barbed wire isn't there. All the poles, all that's there is the poles. Okay? And if he wants barbed wire, he's got to come before us to do that. And we have we haven't seen him looking for barbed wire. Okay? I have a real problem with those cameras. I really do. The only way I would be happy with those cameras if they were facing his house and his farm, not her house at all, in any way at all, not because the angle is wide or whatever the case may be. Fix it, put shields on the light so it doesn't. When I worked on the planning board, we talked many times about businesses putting big lights in the parking lot, and we forced them to put shields on it so the light didn't shine into residential uh property and so forth. He can do the same thing. I don't like the cameras and pointing in there. Now, if someone got pictures from him of someone mowing the lawn in the backyard and so forth, then obviously the cameras are basically earth property. And I don't, and that's to me that's not acceptable.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:24

That's an invasion of earth property, and it shouldn't happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:28

I don't think we're going back to this whole camera thing. Yeah, I have cameras on property. And I have the police call me all the time to get the footage of people running for everybody else's job that they just broke into the app. But I don't know if one is a jurisdiction on campus.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:43

But does it do your cameras go into someone's home? Face into someone's basement? I mean, I I just have a big problem with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:53

I mean I don't have a pointed, I just have all my property. I have a camera on my neighbor has his too, but a camera on my house. It goes out to the street and it sees my neighbor's house. So am I going to have to take my camera down?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:07

Every ring doable that faces.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:08

Every ring, yeah, it goes out to the street and goes to a neighborhood.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:11

I have a camera on at every entrance to my house. That's what it only shows right there in front of the house if someone comes to the house.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:18

I don't think it's our jurisdiction as far as invasion of privacy. That would be to me, that would be something they'd go legally through the courts or through the police department.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:30

I had but I had a I had my neighbor in my backpack, but we parked his truck on the property line, and I had no right. I had to call the police. If the police shut up, great. But he's sitting in his truck, staring at me. Same thing as a camp, like they had hugging cameras on the back room.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:43

This is so I go. Well, what I'm saying is I don't think we have jurisdiction over the cameras. Okay. If if if we might have over the polls, I talked with Bob about that. In fact, there's no there's nothing in the zoning that talks to cameras. Unfortunately, we don't have anything in there. But from a moral correct morals point of view, I agree. I see it as an issue.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:07

I don't think it's something that we have jurisdiction over. So that that's as far as the cameras where they're pointing. I don't think we have jurisdiction. That to me that would be something they'd have to do legally as far as the height.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:23

So height, is there height, you know? If you got 20 so poles and they have 20 feet, then it need to be at 20 feet. Higher you go, why are you spreading? So you know that's the same.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:36

What we do, what we do is talk about the the the poles, as far as the height of the poles. Okay. And again, as as it was pointed out in one of the pictures, this pole are that it's probably almost this tall.

SPEAKER_12 1:23:50

I mean so both of them are breaking the law. So we can fix that too. I mean, you can't you can't uh uh decide on that. You can make both of them take it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:01

I think we're uh ES is just moving forward too, because at the end of the day, everybody's getting cameras. Everybody has cameras. Absolutely. Five years ago, there weren't as many cameras as today. Ten years ago, it's a whole other story. Yeah. Ten years ago where you mean. Nobody watched it. When the neighbors came knocking on the door and said, You car was in my yard, can you come get it? That's how we know they were.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:24

Yeah. Um, I agree with you as far as the pip wire isn't an issue because there is no pip wire.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:31

The only issue is the the six-foot requirement, those brackets put it for six feet. So at the end of the day, you've got those brackets which aren't being used, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:42

At this time, they could come off. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if those brackets are extending into her property, just like a tree. The tree isn't the neighborhood extension. You can cut you can cut those trees all the way up to the moon if you like. But she has the right to cut those brackets back to the property line, but if she she wanted to, right? So he's in violation there. If it's if it is actually over the property. Yeah, again, one says it's facing one way, one says it's facing the other way.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:13

I I'm I just looked at the picture, it's facing her yard, and in my mind, that's the opposite way of Bob Wyatt works.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:21

Like you say, it's to keep kids from going onto the farm. Not keeping the animals in the farm yard. I hear you. I hear you.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:31

So you so you think kids will climb up the black fence to get to the chat, trying to chicken the fence to climb over the six feet and through the barbed wire.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:44

You don't know what these kids will go.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:48

Yeah, I know. But what I'm saying is, you don't know where to get the kids. Yeah, I understand. And I think it comes over the lot of stories. And the way he's presenting it is it's the protected property from people. I understand.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:59

So the double fence thing. He has his own fence for his animals.

SPEAKER_12 1:26:07

You should have a fence to keep the animals off your property. As far as should there be one at the river, you know, I don't know how much common sense a cow has, but I don't think. I mean, it's it's not like it's a beach, it's the river that you go down. Could the cow jump down there? I don't know the answer to that. I don't want to.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:30

So, like I say, that way is not an issue because there is no brackets. Just the brackets. We don't know where the property line is. Right. And if they are intact full of the property line, not over the property line, and you take them off, then that's a legal six-foot fence that has a property. Everybody has, yeah. So I think I mean looking here at this picture and we just measure it to the top of the bracket. To the top of the bracket, which is seven feet. Yeah. The fence itself is six, yeah. The bracket is seven.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:10

So I mean, I mean especially if you're not gonna be putting the live wire up. I mean, you really need the bad brackets, you're not gonna do anything. Um and then uh containers.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:25

So if you're an issue with a container issue and uh if you use them for the time it's and it's right to use them for the fine, isn't it?

SPEAKER_12 1:27:41

As far as the containers, if you start bringing power into movement, you're not planning to move it too quick because it's gonna cost you some money to get TMLP to come down. You know, if you'd be willing to compromise and maybe, as you mentioned, paint them all green so they're it looks like a barrier. It doesn't look like a bunch of storage containers that uh The guy from the JJ trucking drop on last night.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:08

So for being used for whatever the supplies.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:15

Supplies or even housing. But but even this I misunderstood. There's nothing in it right now. No, the plan is to put animals in them, pigs in them? Is that what I heard? Shelter for the animals. Yeah. But doesn't that make it permanent? Didn't it become permanent when you s when you're using it as a farm for the animals? Well, again, it's it's it gets into the right to farm. The right to farm. And I know that. And Bob, talking with Bob, there's a lot of concessions he's made because farms are entitled to exemptions from some of the bylaws.

SPEAKER_12 1:28:54

But I mean, how far do you go with that? I mean, do you let everything go? Everything is okay? No, there's got to be some common sense and some common courtesy about this.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:06

And you know, I guess I don't even want to get into the family aspect of it.

SPEAKER_12 1:29:11

But you can't come up with a compromise. I understand that. It's difficult.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:22

Three things we need to address. Yeah, I agree. But again, those are my comments. I don't like the idea of the cameras.

SPEAKER_12 1:29:30

I you know, I personally think something should be done that if it's for his property's protection, and that's the only place it should face.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:37

I know it, you know, wide angle and all that stuff. Put up a battery so that it doesn't go on to her property. And to send whatever, if it's only for his protection, then why are you sending pictures to her ex-husband? What sense is what is that doing to protect your property? That's spike. Look what that is, folks. That's fine. We have to look for what we're saying. I have the right to give you my idea. I know, but it's it's not addressing what we what we need to do. Well, I again those are the things I addressed in.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:18

Um yeah, I mean the containment is it is a false if we screen them somehow. Uh in that core or whatever is right there. So the hand if they reason we set this or is that pad that's there. Um try to screen it somehow. And then two is and then potential issue with whoever takes place.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:04

Yeah, that's what the board help would have to uh go around uh inspector.

SPEAKER_12 1:31:12

Yeah, there are some things that you know go beyond us, the police and board of health, and and as far as the fence itself, the uh I forget the term, they use it, we use it town meeting when we assign fence coordinators or fence surveyors or whatever, it's the police department in this town.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:32

That's who that's who we dedicate. Yeah, town meeting is designated as fence surveyors, the police department. So that's outside of our as well. But again, for me personally, I don't have a problem with six-foot fence on my hip in the property, especially where there's the possibility of animals coming to it. Um yeah, so I I mean my recommendation for the screen. She's got this headsheet to block the visible from the street because probably gonna end it.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:18

Yeah, do we have a magic properly? Well, I'm getting it is the if it is a visibility. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:42

I mean, I mean that preserved something between the wheel. Uh generally put a hedge on the other side. Yeah. You could put a hedge on the other side of the fence so you'd be able to get at it. Um I mean, you can ask them in green just to blend in with the landscape. And maybe that way it wouldn't be as much of a writing side.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:16

Some kind of shielding on them. As an ice or a yeah, no.

SPEAKER_12 1:33:21

But but do we agree that there should be some kind of fencing or something, whether it be pink and green or bushes or something to hide them from view from the street? Yeah, because as I said, I might in my mind I see it as permanent. In there a year and a half, and it's we're in power to they're not a temporary structure.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:40

Um where do we stand on the polls? Because it goes back to it like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:15

So I mean it just says a stretcher stretcher greater than 12 feet behind is constructed or located because the commissioner shows emission, which I don't know if they did.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:38

For the for the holes? Well, we can't.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:45

Well, even though I mean I mean put mainly 12 feet high, so he cuts them down to 12 feet.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:53

What's the scanner on? I mean, is it gonna be that much of a difference? What's the height over which you get a permit? 12 feet, 12 feet.

SPEAKER_12 1:35:02

Yeah, right. I I didn't hear any any talk about I gotta permit to have the and Bob didn't mention anything about that. But it's something he just put in on his own. And and so did she, so we could we can in fact make both of those come down to 12 feet.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:20

Yeah, all of those issues and those two.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:28

To me, it's I I I I get what you're saying about Larry's directly cameras, but we don't have jurisdiction over that. We don't have the means to go and check on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:40

That's something that the law has to do. Never anticipated this.

SPEAKER_12 1:35:52

So we can say that we gotta come down to 12 feet. So so just so the poll's gonna come down to 12 feet on both properties. Yeah, correct?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:03

There has to be some kind of screening on the containers or painting or or something to make them blend the water. Okay. And the uh barbed wire extension brackets have to come down. Yeah, shouldn't come down. Because they're not just being used anyway. So they're not being used and it's beyond the uh the hydrogen. If he does come in front of us, if you had a variance, then they would have to point towards his property. Those are the open those are the only three.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:34

The range and the bio we have will contain as anybody's property, you know, 10 feet off, but the farm is exempt.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:45

Exactly, I guess.

SPEAKER_12 1:36:47

Well, yeah, that's one of the things that Bob gave the exemption on because he isn't from again. He didn't have to move up the top.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:54

But and he can give you exemption not to scream. Yeah. All right. So all right, John, we're gonna all that people ask you to make the motion. I don't know if I can. Wanna write it down while we're still in executive session so that we can get it properly. You want to write it, judge jot it down? What do we do with the cameras? We have jurisdiction over over with maybe you put a camera.

SPEAKER_12 1:38:03

We just do we have do we have jurisdiction? I think we have jurisdiction over the light shining into her driveway, and we have him put a shield.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:13

They do it all the time in parking lots. I know. Well, they have they have them that don't have lights, too. You can just get some that don't have lights. This is true. The uh infrared don't have lights. Or or just aim the light away from the house? Either aim it away or shield it.

SPEAKER_12 1:38:34

Yeah. So put that in there as well. And that applies especially specifically to the lights, and I wouldn't have a problem if it applied to the cameras as well. Because you shouldn't be looking into someone's bathroom with your camera. I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:58

I mean, I don't know why you'd want to look into someone's bathroom with your camera. But the way technology is now people can. There's no privacy, as you will. Everybody videos everything. You're videoing us, right? No. Big brother.

SPEAKER_12 1:39:17

My wife is at home watching this. She's scolding me when I get home.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:36

Um we got a stipulate by the screen painting green. The bylaw uh probably have a the yellow part here.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:47

What? That's what you said. You wouldn't be able to you wouldn't be able to put out the values on the and they'd be up.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:56

So should we specify green bylaw have a color?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:00

Uh bylaw.

SPEAKER_12 1:40:04

I think you see the reflex, solid solid structure.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:07

I want to have a clear-defined line. Well, should we just say paint of some shade of green or natural? A natural, a green or a brown. I don't want a yellow sun. Yeah. Or or high pink.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:21

Um like a uh yellow yellow or brown shade. Uh can we do that? Yes. A specific color or not?

SPEAKER_12 1:40:32

Well, you'd be better off just having it for the fence. If you paint them, you can paint them green, blue, red, orange, whatever, if you still gotta see them for the street, then you move it. Put a fence up.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:48

Well, not that we have to screen the uh the containers from the streets.

SPEAKER_12 1:40:53

That's what the bylaw calls for, right? And like I said, Bob gave him some exceptions to the bylaw. There's nothing that says we have to give him all exceptions to the bylaw.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:06

Dark green from the lens in the lens goes into the background. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:41:12

Still gonna see you. Still gonna see you from the street, whether they're green, blue, or orange. Do you want to jump out again? Huh? No, it won't orange or yellow, as you said, would jump out. Green might might not. You got all the points? Read it.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:37

Read all the points there. Remove the wire brackets on the pattern sideway within the six foot.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:45

Yeah. Telephone poles are going to cut down to 12 feet. And then in both the eyes. In both yards. And then uh the cameras, if there's cameras on these poles, direct to shield any light should be shining. Any light should be shining on the side. Can you repeat that one? Which one's that shine? We've got a couple telephone poles and 12 feet that I have. And then if there are cameras on those poles, then lights, any lights should not shine into andor light, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:24

Shall be directed onto the specific property. Can I suggest that I'm wearing it should be shielded to reflect on her property?

SPEAKER_04 1:42:37

Well, yeah, whatever property the poles on without that light, that it should stay in the room.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:41

That's the only place that the light and the camera should reflect on. Why don't you just say the light shouldn't shine onto someone else's property? As well as the camera. Shine on the adjacent property?

SPEAKER_05 1:42:52

Yeah. Or towards it. I mean if it goes on, you're gonna get the halo or it shouldn't shine directly into someone else's property.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:03

We just don't want to point it out to that hardly. Yeah. We're including including the cameras in that? Or just the lights?

SPEAKER_12 1:43:13

You're gonna put up the shield to block the lights.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:17

I assume it'll block the camera as well, unless you purposely cut around the shield so it doesn't block the camera. And then we're back to the spike fencing again. Yeah. I mean, I would I prefer this as the camera and the lights. Again, that can uh yeah. They they have 20 days to appeal to appeal it, but um if you want to put cameras and lights should not shine into a letters, that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:43:47

You got the demo in awesome.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:51

Shall not shine on or towards an adjacent talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:53

It's the lights and on campus because on the lights and the cameras, you're gonna get a little bit of that.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:58

Yeah, I I I'm not I'm not I'm not keen on the cameras because yes, we don't want it, but then you're gonna you're gonna be done, we're gonna have a lot more meetings like this. Because you know, you want to put a camera on your house, but it catches my eye. And I I come in and I say, hey, but he's gonna turn his camera away.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:23

But isn't that the difference between that? You look at the difference between that and a 20-foot pole. I get that pointing into the yard. I mean, I get that.

SPEAKER_12 1:44:32

Everybody has ring cameras now. I can see my whole front yard and my whole backyard with my cameras, but I can't see my my neighbor's bathroom because my cameras are at least eight feet above, just above the door. Right. 20 feet, anything 12 feet is gonna point, it's gonna see into her house. And that's to me, that's not acceptable.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:56

I I just don't I don't know if we can get into the jurisdiction of town people where they can.

SPEAKER_12 1:45:03

Let me tell you this way. If it does include the cameras, I'm already know. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:09

So you want to cut the poles to 12 feet? Yeah, yeah. And when you want to pull the lights on? No lights or or or cameras. Shield the lights to keep it from reflecting on her property.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:21

Lights and cameras should have the uh shield.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:36

Uh into the abutter's property. So into abutters property facing because you're gonna catch some of their property.

SPEAKER_12 1:45:46

It shouldn't be directly facing them. Yeah. Alright, how about if you get more specific that the cameras can't be shielded from viewing her home as opposed to the property?

SPEAKER_03 1:45:58

It's a toll, it's a toll front lower, whatever that ease means.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:03

You want to because the cameras are 180 degrees. So even if I'm facing here, I'm trying to catch some of the property.

SPEAKER_12 1:46:12

So I have a problem with the property. I have a problem with it going into a bedroom or a bathroom. That's what I have.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:18

So should not be facing the house, the dwellings would say that. Should not be facing neighboring dwellings because lights are both. Oh, we'll see. Okay. You don't want anything on top of the colour. Okay. I don't know how it won't.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:43

That's a whole nother, that's what I say.

SPEAKER_12 1:46:45

We can send Bob down to check it out. He has the equipment, he can do that. He has medias he can measure lights, light intensities, and that kind of stuff. I know he can't use that. Or only when I was on the planning board a number of times.

unknown 1:47:01

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:01

We got it all. And uh screening, screening or uh I think it's in the media dialogue.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:41

Um reopen the meeting at 847. Uh and uh take a vote if you want to make a vote.

SPEAKER_12 1:47:59

Oh my comment before that. I want to remind everyone here who spoke. You spoke under oath that it has consequences. If any of you spoke on truths, I personally will look will investigate into that and make sure that that that thing is corrected. Because we make our decision here based on what you told us. And you told us that information under oath, and it does mean something. It's not just for the cameras, our cameras, it means something. I hope everybody understands that. And if anybody wants to change anything they've said so far today, now is the time to do it. Because once we close this meeting, it's done.

SPEAKER_13 1:48:40

Yeah, that's good. I'd like to say something. I've I've been listening to you say one of these cameras. I chose you to feel I don't want to look at their house. Maybe that you should listen. What I'm saying, I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:54

I've listened to you. No, no, you've accusing me to not listen to it. You accused me of looking at their house.

SPEAKER_13 1:48:59

I don't care about their house. And you've got this thing of telephone calls.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:05

We have to power that's highly. Let me finish your question. Did she lie about her husband? Let me finish the question. Yes, did she lie about her ex-husband getting pictures from you? A hundred percent a hundred percent. Why would I do that? I have nothing to do with it. I don't know why you do that.

SPEAKER_13 1:49:21

No, it doesn't make sense. You're not telling me to meet me in the back problem. The only thing I've ever done for the people is to help us. What is the answer about the spy? When you give a 200 number of working jobs, we can of anything. It's embarrassing, it's a great reputation, Mr. Shark. You know, I I am not accusing you of any. I know you have to do it. But it's just it's it's a constant.

SPEAKER_12 1:49:49

Just leave it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:50

If that's the speed doesn't if that's the case, then the restriction you're putting on there shouldn't have any effect on you whatsoever. I don't want to look at the house. I want to live in my own piece.

SPEAKER_13 1:50:02

For as long as I live, I want to just live down on the farm. And I'm not trying to do this out of spike. It was all necessary stuff that we're doing to protect the family. Right. And I'm sorry. But it's not by the bylaws that we have to. But the 12 feet doesn't apply to the farm. You know what I mean? It doesn't. And then the poles, I have electric poles that are up high that I'm trying to get power so I can keep the animals with water this winter.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:30

Well, we're we're talking about the poles with the cameras. Okay. Not the telephone. You know what?

SPEAKER_13 1:50:36

Those things are owl. They got these crappy brackets. Maybe the wind, I mean I put them up must. I don't go over there. You can see by the grass, I don't go over there. I stay away from there because every time I go this way. I'll get them, I'll turn them. I'll make them decision as far as the turn. We don't want to look at the house. I just care about the. I'm not saying we do. I'm just saying. The front one is necessary to get a plate. We have people, you know, I mean, we get it front and back, and it's hard to keep everything safe today. I mean, you guys know, you you guys, with the Arlos that they're alert and somebody's jumping in somebody's backyard. But we we're just talking as far as the light shining and the other people do that. Don't want to be accused of being a pee-patum. I don't, there's not even a bathroom on that side of the well, there's a bathroom on that side with you. The camera's way up there.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:26

You would have to go down the twin. I'm not saying I'm not saying that you're going to say I'm not accusing you of that. I'm talking about the one who said the camera's face. That's what we mean about the video thing.

SPEAKER_13 1:51:38

The whole video thing, if you really want to bring up the mic, her she was still married. I asked us, you know, that's not true. So I didn't even tell you, it was lied to her. We don't care about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:51:53

Yeah, right. No, and it shouldn't have even been brought up, but all you do is lie to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:58

Okay, make the motion. Sorry, just one quick moment. I'd like to point out that this is a text from Greg, this is the ex-husband. This shows a video that was taken by his camera, sent to Greg, and then sent to Karen after it was done. Uh, you can see the house with the uh the uh windows over there. You can see someone going up and down the side of the lawn. And you can see from his camera to her ex-husband, and this was done in order to aggravate him as a sort of boyfriend at the time. So this is not as far as him sending saying that he was not sending things out, we have absolute evidence of proof that we just showed. So, as Mr. Texera had said, we gotta say things that are true. Um, I'm hoping you follow up with what you had said, Mrs. Dexterra, because he just helped us.

SPEAKER_12 1:52:47

That didn't apply to the Justice General. This applies to everybody who stood behind that podium.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:52

I'm with one of the censorship. Yep, and you too. Okay. Ready for a motion? Hope so.

SPEAKER_12 1:53:01

I hope so.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:08

Make a motion to put in uh guidelines, I guess you call or uh modifications.

SPEAKER_12 1:53:27

Make a motion that we request or we dictate whatever the right term is, the polls that the lights be removed be lowered from 20 feet to 12 feet, be in compliance with the bylaws, that the lights and the cameras be shielded from uh recording or shining into the abutters property, the containers. I guess we agreed we're gonna paint them green so that they can the dark green so that they uh blend into the scenery and uh removal of the and removal of the uh brackets for the uh bar-wire fence. That brings everybody that's my motion.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:19

Can you repeat the second one?

SPEAKER_12 1:54:22

The second one.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:25

The one after the poles being lowered.

SPEAKER_12 1:54:27

The poles being lowered, uh the lights be the lights and cameras being shielded from shining or viewing the abutters property and the uh containers being uh painted uh dark green to blend into the uh surrounding area. Both poles and the I'm sorry? Poles on both properties, yeah, not just yours, both properties, they're both out of uh out of zones. 812 feet, yes. Okay. And you got the brackets, the five by brackets, those got down too.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:08

Yes from the top of those things. So they're protruding into the into the four turnum, sir. I'm sorry? Four turnum. Turnum's acceptable. Okay.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:20

So I was gonna say remove or try to. I just was trying to save the kid. John, the one removes the fancy. Well, no, but he was saying does the farm they can be eighty feet for the city. He could turn them around, you said that would be fine. Okay, yeah. So that's a motion? That's the motion. All favor. Aye. Aye. Thank you, Mr. Lord. Thank you for your time and your testimonies.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:54

Um can I make the motion or do they have to one of them?

SPEAKER_12 1:56:12

I make a motion we adjourn. No, no, not yet. Oh, not yet. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:17

Oh, I'm sorry, it's a minutes. Make a motion to approve.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:21

Uh those aren't the right things. Meeting minutes for the only one that's different is the uh September 9th. Not September 9th. Uh September 9th. Well, we didn't have a meeting minute, did we? Yeah. Yeah, we should be the 24th.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:45

Make a motion to approve meeting minutes for August 20th and 24th, 2025, July 23rd, 2025, and September 24th, 2025. You want to second that motion?

SPEAKER_12 1:57:00

I'll second that motion. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. I make a motion we adjourn with no further visitors to be discussed.