Challenging Assumptions and Breaking Barriers: Barb Jacques’ Mission to Transform Lives

In the most recent episode of the Inspiring Journeys Podcast, Barb Jacques shares her remarkable story of resilience and transformation following a rare bone marrow diagnosis of PNH and aplastic anemia. Barb’s life changed overnight after she fainted, leading to a 20% survival prognosis. Her journey of self-advocacy, personal growth, and redefined purpose highlights the importance of trusting intuition in healthcare and breaking free from societal labels. Beyond her health battle, Barb’s passion for storytelling, mentorship, and advocacy shines through her TEDx talk, Bridging the Gap from Labels to Lives, which emphasizes seeing beyond stereotypes to embrace humanity’s interconnectedness. Barb inspires others to embrace transformation, challenge the status quo, and find strength in adversity. Her story stands as a powerful example of resilience and positivity.

Join us as we engage in a conversation about resilience, hope, and using life’s toughest moments to become a force for positive change.

Key Topics Discussed:

• Barb’s life before her health crisis and how a sudden fainting episode led to her diagnosis of bone marrow failure.
• The concept of “hollow bones” and dismantling societal labels to cultivate self-awareness and transformation.
• The story behind Barb’s TEDx talk and its message on human interconnectedness and empathy.
•  Her volunteer work with the prison system and the lessons learned about compassion and life trajectories.

Key Takeaways:

• Barb’s experience demonstrates the courage needed to face life-altering health decisions and the resilience to rebuild amidst emotional challenges.
• Her volunteer work and TEDx talk illustrate the profound impact of empathy and support systems in shaping life outcomes and fostering deeper connections.
• By embracing personal growth and releasing limiting beliefs, Barb shows how to transform adversity into authenticity and self-empowerment.
• Through her coaching programs, Barb encourages women to step beyond societal norms, embrace their identities, and unlock their true potential.

Barb's Bio:  Barbara Ann Jacques, PhD, founder of Disrupting Gracefully, combines her criminal justice background with consciousness-based leadership. Her experience overcoming bone marrow failure inspired her mission to help individuals and organizations break free from limiting patterns, embrace authentic growth, and navigate change with resilience, grace, and purpose-driven leadership. 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Surviving a Health Crisis
• 16:03 Prison Visitation and Self-Love Products
• 20:22 Empowering Women Through Coaching and Awareness

Transcript

Lauri Wakefield
00:00
Hi, welcome to the Inspiring Journeys podcast. Thanks for joining me today. I'm your host, Lauri Wakefield, and my guest today is Barb Jacques. That's correct, the way I pronounced it, right? Yeah, perfect, thank you. I keep like, when I see it spelled, it's like I want to say Jacques you know, because it's like the. French pronunciation of it. So Barb has a PhD in criminal justice and she is a mentor, a speaker and an educator. So welcome Barb.
 
Barb Jacques
00:25
Thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here. 

Lauri Wakefield
00:28
So Barb and I actually met a couple years ago, and so there are a couple things that we're familiar with with each other. But let's start by talking about unless you want to go back further than that but the health crisis that you had. Was there anything that you wanted to talk about before that Health? 

Barb Jacques
00:45
crisis. Yeah, so that was in 2014. And I thought I had it all figured out. I was living in my dream home, my forever dream home, and had my horses and my chickens, and I had it all, the American dream. And one day I just fainted and next thing I know I was on a total spinout. I was in bone marrow failure. I was day, I just fainted. And next thing I know I was on a total spin out. I was in bone marrow failure. I was told I needed a bone marrow transplant. 

Lauri Wakefield
01:10
And yeah, yeah, that's crazy, yeah, so at that time were you teaching as a college professor? 

Barb Jacques
01:18
Yeah, I've been teaching as a college professor since 2008. Okay, 2008. Yeah, and criminal justice. Before that, I worked in law enforcement, I worked for a sheriff's department and I worked in private investigation for several years. 

Lauri Wakefield
01:32
Wow, I thought that was interesting. What did you do there? 

Barb Jacques
01:34
It was a lot more violent investigation than anything I ever experienced on the sheriff's department. Yeah, it was a lot, it was dangerous, but it was, it was interesting, it was boring, it was a lot of yeah yeah. So criminal justice has always been my field and I and I think what brought me to criminal justice was I was sitting in a legal class one day. I was actually a nursing student and I was taking an elective and we had to dissect a cat in one of the anatomy classes or something like that. I was like no, this is not happening, exactly you know. And so I ended up taking a criminal law class and it kind of hooked me, because I was always somebody that lived by my own rules and it just fascinated me that we would be making all of these rules and just expecting people to follow rules based on punishment and not going deeper into human behavior. Right, our government was backwards in many, many things, so that's what fascinated me about it. 

Lauri Wakefield
02:36
So let's talk more in depth about the bone marrow failure. So you were brought to the hospital after you fainted. They did a bunch of tests and they found the bone marrow failure. And then what happened after that? 

Barb Jacques
03:05
one, one drink. It was Halloween but I fainted at like three o'clock in the morning. Two o'clock in the morning. I was dizzy when I get up to go to the bathroom and they sent me to a cardiologist because my grandmother had died in her early 50s and the cardiologist is the one who read my blood work, who sent me to the hematologist and so on. But yeah, I was diagnosed with something called PNH, which I won't even pronounce the full word for that. It's just where your red blood cells lose a protective protein, so your immune system is able to kill off your red blood cells, and then something called aplastic anemia. So, no matter what I did, my bone marrow was just in complete failure. I could not make enough platelets, white or red cells, to support myself. So yeah, Right. 

Lauri Wakefield
03:48
So do they have any idea like what could have caused that? 

Barb Jacques
03:52
No, the doctor feels that I probably just got exposed to some kind of toxin growing up. When I was growing up, my best friend actually needed blood transfusions around the time we turned 18 years old. So she had aplastic anemia and it's not a common disease. So the best we can figure is there was something in our community that we either drank the water, we were just not sure. Nobody really knows. 

Lauri Wakefield
04:20
Right, right, and in a way it doesn't necessarily matter, but okay. So after you were sent to the hematologist, what did they do? 

Barb Jacques
04:46
thousand dollars a month and it didn't work. And it didn't work. So, over time, eventually they said you need to have a bone marrow transplant or you and it really hit me when they said you have, you know, a 20 percent chance of surviving another year if you don't have this bone marrow transplant I was 40, 45, 46 years old at the time and I'm like, no, I just bought my dream home, I have it all. 

05:07
You can't do this to me. And the crazy part is is when I finally did it, what made me really sick inside was leaving my animals because, you know, and I wasn't worried for me as much as I was worried for my animals because they had me every day my dog, my horses. 

Lauri Wakefield
05:26
Yeah that's sad. 
05:29
Yeah, well, you and I were talking before we got on the podcast and I have a brother who went through something. It wasn't exactly the same, it's something similar. Recently he had a stem cell transplant November 20th and they have like the 100 day following the transplant where you need to have somebody with you during that time. But anyway, yeah, I know what he went through my gosh it was, and the medication that he was taking. It was for myelofibrosis and PNH and it I don't think it was as expensive as what you were taking. I don't know for sure, but it wasn't effective. So they ended up recommending a stem cell transplant too. So why don't you talk a little bit? Okay, first, so you were on the medication. When did they decide that you needed the stem cell transplant? How far? 

Barb Jacques
06:21
how much longer. The official diagnosis came in January, just after Christmas of 2015. I was on the medication for three months. I was in the hospital having the bone marrow transplant in July. 

Lauri Wakefield
06:36
Okay.

Barb Jacques
06:37
Yeah, I plummeted and they did not want to give me too many bone marrow, too many blood transfusions, because then you get a bunch of antibodies in your body and it can make the transplant more dangerous, or risky. 

Lauri Wakefield
06:51
Right. So how long were you in the hospital after the transplant? Three months, wow, okay. 

Barb Jacques
06:56
Yeah, the aftercare and everything else. And I was really kind of lucky because the hospital I was in was only three hours away from my home, so my daughter and my friends were able to take turns coming up and staying with me and all of those things. 

Lauri Wakefield
07:11
So yeah, yeah, my brother was in the hospital for three weeks and then he has it's like a hotel that's on the hospital campus that he was supposed to stay at through the end of February, but okay, so after you had actually before you had the stem cell transplant, was that something that scared you? I mean that might be kind of a dumb question, but I'd never thought about my mortality before that. 

Barb Jacques
07:35
Okay, who thinks about that? 

Lauri Wakefield
07:37
Yeah. 

Barb Jacques
07:37
You know, and I'd always been in a high risk job until I went into academics. That's not high risk and I'd always been. You know, I've jumped out of airplanes, I've done just about any adventure thing you can think of, but I never thought about my own mortality and yeah, so I didn't think I would die. So when the bone marrow transplant didn't work, when it didn't work, then it really hit me. Now it's like, okay, I could die, I'm going to die. And I started to believe I was going to die because, no, after the bone marrow transplant it didn't work. And it was a year before we learned that the medication that they had me on was suppressing the donor cells from growing in my own body. Okay, so they were giving me medication that was working against the transplant and I told the doctors I'm like something is not up with this medic, something is not right. I was having these nightmares, I was telling, and doctors are not prepared to hear how your intuition is speaking to you. They only want to see the facts. And eventually they did finally listen to me and they changed that medication and then, within three months, I was up to a normal hemoglobin level. I hadn't been for two years. 

Lauri Wakefield
08:59
Right. 

Barb Jacques
09:00
Yeah. 

Lauri Wakefield
09:01
Yeah, Gosh, that was traumatic. Definitely not a good time, I'm sure. 

Barb Jacques
09:08
It's kind of strange because it's almost like you adapt from the outside. Looking in, you'd be like, wow, everything fell apart at that time, all of these things. But when you're in it, you are just in a survival mode. 

Lauri Wakefield
09:24
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. 

Barb Jacques
09:26
Yeah. 

Lauri Wakefield
09:26
So you have no choice, right? 

Barb Jacques
09:28
Right. You have no choice. I wasn't going to curl up and die, I mean. I wasn't ready for that. I didn't have my daughter's grandchildren yet, but I had my son's children, so I had grandchildren and I just wasn't ready, right yeah. 

Lauri Wakefield
09:42
So as far as your personal life and your professional life at that time, did things change there? 

Barb Jacques
09:54
Yeah, so when I was in the hospital, like you know, you're gone for months on end and my husband had a nervous breakdown and when I came home from the hospital he was probably there for two or three more weeks and then he moved out. It was over a 20-year marriage he moved out. So, yeah, I had to give up my horses because I didn't have an immune system, I couldn't take care of them. I wasn't supposed to be near them, I wasn't supposed to be near the dogs or the chickens, but I still did. 

Lauri Wakefield
10:27
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize when you have a bone marrow transplant. You can't even be around a potty, Right yeah, Because if something happens, I mean your immune system isn't able to fight it yeah. 

Barb Jacques
10:33
Right, yeah. So yeah, I lost everything. And it's interesting because you know, way back when, when I was in my 20s, I started to see a holistic practitioner because I was needed some balance in my job working in law enforcement, and she was also a shamanic practitioner. So, I've had training going way, way back in that and and they always called it something called hollow bones and it stuck with me. 
11:02
And hollow bones is when you're like stripped away of all of your outside definitions, of how you define yourself as a human being, or and everything gets stripped away, and then literally it like literally happened to me, I can say because, as you know, when you have bone marrow failure, your bones become like big, open sponges. It's like hollow bone. And then I lost everything. I lost everything that I had defined myself as during that time. 

Lauri Wakefield
11:37
That's a lot. So is that kind of what led you into the type of work that you do now? I mean, you're still teaching, right? 

Barb Jacques
11:46
Yep, I still teach because I really love it. I love teaching and I think it's important that we shift perspectives. In our criminal justice system, there's very little justice, from my perspective, in our system. There's just little justice for, you know, our victims and our offenders. It's just a cycle that just keeps on going. But yeah, I've since also opened a business disrupting. I call it disrupting. Things need to be disrupted, but I don't want to disrupt with force. I don't think that that's the way to do it anymore. I think it's to do it with grace and love and shifting from the inside out rather than trying to force external changes. Right, yeah, so it's a more of a masculine-feminine balance. 

Lauri Wakefield
12:35
So we'll talk about some of the products and services that you offer, but let's talk about your TED Talk. So how did that come about? Was it something that you just decided that you wanted to do? Were you asked to do it? 

Barb Jacques
12:50
Oh, a lot of my friends are saying, oh, I want to do a TEDx, I want to do a TEDx. I'm like what if I want to do a TEDx? I had never thought about doing a TEDx because, for me, my work is usually very, very spiritual. So to approach something in a spiritual way, you can't bring that onto TEDx. Tedx does not want to hear things that are esoteric. So I sat back and I started thinking well, if I was going to do a TEDx, I was like whoa, my transplant is actually a beautiful platform to leap off of the interconnectedness of all things. And that's really the main point of my TEDx is how we're all interconnected. And if we started looking through the lens of interconnectedness, you know, maybe we could change things, rather than us and them and all of the division that's in the world. And the labels as soon as you put a label on somebody, boom, your head is stuck, you know in a stereotype, and you can't get past that unless you're very aware. 
13:54
So my transplant actually offered me that beautiful platform to talk about interconnectedness. I mean, I've had hundreds of blood transfusions and I had a bone marrow transplant, so I've got the DNA floating around of a lot of people in me Right. 
14:09
And also I visited a person at the ADX, which is the highest security prison in the nation, and I learned a lot from him and he was brought into the TEDx as well. So the TEDx is he was brought into the TEDx as well. So the TEDx is it's called Bridging the Gap from Labels to Lives. 

Lauri Wakefield
14:32
That was what your TEDx talk was called?

Barb Jacques
14:34
So, I just saw this TEDx Southlake was looking for speakers and it was about innovating the human experience, and I'm like that's what Disrupting Gracefully is all about. And so I put in a written request to do it. And then I was in Egypt, because I bring people on tours of Egypt. I was in Egypt and I got the notification for a video to explain it in two to three minutes, and then a couple of weeks later, I was invited to be part of it. 

Lauri Wakefield
15:12
Yeah, yeah, we didn't talk about your Egypt trip. We'll talk about that in a second. So the person from the maximum security prison how did that come about? Was it something that you wanted to go visit somebody or what was? 

Barb Jacques
15:25
Yeah. So after my bone marrow transplant and after I started feeling better, I wanted to give back to my community. My community was very supportive. So I was just looking for volunteer opportunities and I was thinking, maybe you know, for Christmas I started it was October, I was thinking Thanksgiving, Christmas, maybe a soup kitchen, and I just stumbled across something called PVS, which is prisoner visitation and support. And I just stumbled across something called PVS, which is Prisoner Visitation and Support, and I met with the main facilitator and I took their training and I started visiting out here in Colorado shortly after.
 
Lauri Wakefield
16:00
So yeah. So do you visit the same person or do you visit different people? 

Barb Jacques
16:07
You are assigned people and there's several different systems out, there's several different security levels out here. So, yeah, once you're assigned them, you stick with them until they move or you move or whatever it is. But with the federal prisoners they're different than state prisoners because in the federal system, say, you commit a crime in Rhode Island, they can ship you all the way to Colorado. Now, a lot of these individuals they never have visitors. They never have visitors and, depending on their level of security, they might be locked down 23 hours a day, 23 hours a day. So the beautiful people at Prisoner Visitation and Support who dedicate their time to go there, they're their only lifeline for a lot of these individuals. 

Lauri Wakefield
16:53
So yeah, I was just going to say so what are things that you learned? Like, just like, maybe one or two things that you learned. 

Barb Jacques
17:05
I learned that there were many parallels. It was one individual I visited. There were many parallels between he and I growing up. We both had things happen to us as teenagers that should have never happened to us. And I had a support system and he didn't. And he spiraled out of control and I didn't. So we had parallel lives in many ways, but different support systems, mostly due to economics. He was in a very high poverty area. I was in a middle class blue collar area. There are two parents in my household. There's only one in his. So it really was important for me to see that if he had just had a little bit of support, he might not have gone down the path he went down.
 
Lauri Wakefield
17:52
Things might have been different. 

Barb Jacques
17:53
It might have been different and he wouldn't have committed that crime that landed him there, which, more importantly, he wouldn't have created or he wouldn't want to victimize somebody in the first place. 

Lauri Wakefield
18:04
Yeah Right, so, yeah so. So let's talk about the trip to Egypt. How did that go? 

Barb Jacques
18:11
It was great. We unfortunately, we had a major heat wave during it. I mean, my gosh, we hit like 112 some days. It was a little too hot, but yeah, it was really beautiful. I got to see Siwa oasis, which I didn't get to the first time I went to Egypt, and it's just these big salt pools in the middle of sand. It's just everywhere and then there's these big salt pools, so it was really nice. This was a longer trip. I want to say it was 14 days. My original trip was 10. 

Lauri Wakefield
18:43
Yeah, so are you doing that annually or you just did it the one time? 

Barb Jacques
18:48
Yeah, I will organize another one. I think it'll be in 2026. I needed a break this year, so we'll see. But I'm thinking maybe Stonehenge or something like that, 2025, late 2025. 

Lauri Wakefield
19:03
Yeah, 25, yeah. So all right, let's talk a little bit about the products and services that you offer. So I was looking at the affirmations unfiltered. Why don't you explain that. 

Barb Jacques
19:16
It's just a deck of cards. Oh, I thought they were up here. It's a deck of cards and you just pull a card every day and they're just affirmations. But they're unfiltered because they contain bad words. They do contain bad words, yeah, using my mother's language, you know? You know radiant self-love that's the one that came up on the top and love yourself hard. Anyone got a problem with that. They can blank off. 

Lauri Wakefield
19:46
Okay, so. So how did you come up with that idea? I mean, there are other people who do affirmation cards. Did you design them, or was it something that you obviously probably worked with somebody else to produce the card itself? 

Barb Jacques
19:59
It's very easy. There's a card company in Colorado that you just create what you want and they print it out and it was super easy. I was working a holistic fair and I was speaking at the holistic fair and I wanted a product to sell, so I made them, you know. 

Lauri Wakefield
20:17
Very interesting, so simple, so yeah. So then you've got. You also have something called an uncaged insight session. So what is that? 

Barb Jacques
20:27
So that's really just a 60 minute session where we really just like it's uncaged, because it's kind of like spontaneous. Maybe it's uncaged because I'm in your face. If I'm not, I'm not going to. I've had a lot of coaching where people have really babied through it and dragged it out, where I will really hit you up Okay, if I'll listen to what you're saying and then I will come back to challenge a belief that's under there, have them challenge it. I'm coaching I'm not telling them what's wrong or what they're doing wrong To get them to really start to bring awareness to the language that they're using and the underlying beliefs that are supporting whatever's getting them stuck in their life. 
21:13
You know, because we often we keep repeating these patterns, because 95 of what we do is unconscious and until we start bringing awareness to our pattern, patterns we can't change right you know I think it was last Friday was National Quitter's Day 

Lauri Wakefield
21:29
You know I didn't know that, I wouldn't be celebrating that everybody started their New Year's resolution. 

Barb Jacques
21:38
So Friday I think it's two weeks, the second Friday. they call it National Quitter's Day. So yeah.
 
Lauri Wakefield
21:45
Okay, so then you also have it's a three-month mastermind program, The Identity Shift. So you want to talk a little bit about that?

Barb Jacques
21:53
Yeah, we get really deep into Identity Shift. This is where we really go into, we start with your values and then we work through the process of where you are and where we're going. It's where you will working through that process to accepting, uncovering those beliefs, bringing up and accepting new beliefs and then walking the talk. So it's a lot of handholding, you know, and there to support you 100% of the way and to make the shifts that you want in your life. 

Lauri Wakefield
22:26
So is that something that's offered as a one-on-one, or is it a group? 

Barb Jacques
22:31
It was, yeah, starting in January as a group, but I think I will offer it as a one-on-one because I think it needs more personalization. You know, I think it's important to have a group, but sometimes certain dynamics in the group some people take up all the time. 

Lauri Wakefield
22:50
Right. Dominate. 

Barb Jacques
22:50
Yeah. So yeah, I'm thinking about shifting it into a one-on-one coaching for three months, but I haven't. 

Lauri Wakefield
22:58
Yeah, I mean, I think when you're in a group too, I mean it's good because you're, you know you're listening to other people, you're sharing things with other people, but then again it's less time, less individualized time to focus on your particular issues. So, exactly, yeah. So do you have anything else that you want to add, Barb? 

Barb Jacques
23:16
No, I just you know I'm always looking to do retreats, public speaking, anything like that. So my work is really it's with women, mostly women, who really just want to disrupt you know what's going on in their corporations, in their government jobs, in their businesses, and to do it from that new shift of who they want to be, not who they've been trained to be.

Lauri Wakefield
23:44
Right. Yeah, I didn't mention that you actually on your website you have a speaker page. That, yeah, and I think too I said I wasn't going to mention this, but I'm going to about the, about the podcast. You are thinking at some point of starting a podcast, right? 

Barb Jacques
23:59
Yeah, because there's so many amazing, amazing people out there who are disrupting the status quo and we're not hearing about it. They're making major waves and major changes and, as more and more women come up and step into really who they are and show up in their truth, they need to see these women doing it and they need to hear. You know, we've all gone through the rough patches and we still go through the rough patches, but you know, we just keep going and we do what's true for us. We don't let the chatter of the outside world slow us down, because we know that we're here to do something. 

Lauri Wakefield
24:36
Right. Yeah, one thing I was going to say is do you think that you've found, like as you've gotten older, that it's? I mean, you have a stronger sense of who you are? So the outside stuff, or the things that people say, you know now, I don't think we ever completely get away from not caring what other people think, but you know that you develop an inner strength that is powerful enough to just not let it hold you back or, you know, make you doubt yourself. 

Barb Jacques
25:07
For some, yeah, but then there's others who come to me for that coaching to step more fully into that, because we crave it. We live by everybody else's rules our entire careers and then we're like, wait, we could do this better, or you know, this could be done better and why are we doing this this way? And all of these questions that we ask, you know yeah like in the criminal justice system. 
25:33
Why do we have so many laws when we have to? We can't support all of the people that we're locking up. Why are we not starting in the communities? You know there's. I could go on for hours and hours and hours about our justice system and our communities and things like that. But we see what's happening, we know and we want to make those changes. Right, yeah, positive contribution. So yeah, someday I will have the podcast, just to really spotlight women who are just rocking it yeah yeah. 

Lauri Wakefield
26:13
Yeah. Because there are definitely a lot of women out there who are. 

Barb Jacques
26:18
So you know that's just unless they're brought forth, you know, to different audiences. People aren't going to know about them and it's inspirational. 
So just like what you're doing. 

Lauri Wakefield
26:29
Yeah, I mean I love talking to people. I do, I love meeting people and just hearing their stories. I mean, everybody's got a story to tell everybody you know and no matter how well you think you know someone, there are things you don't know, you know. So yeah, I'm very much a question asker, like even if I'm on an airplane or you know just somewhere. It's like I'm not shy and not in a nosy way. I'm not trying to be nosy. People are just, you know, interesting to me. I'm curious, you know so. 

Barb Jacques
27:01
And that's what's important, because I mean and that speaks to my TEDx bridging, you know, the gap from labels to lives. For so long people were like what you work in criminal justice? You must not be a feminine woman. There must be something. 

Lauri Wakefield
27:16
What? Yeah, it never crossed my mind, right yeah. 

Barb Jacques
27:21
So I was stereotyped a lot. But yeah, until you start asking and talking and getting to know people, we're not going to, we're just going to be stuck in our divides because of these labels and labels are so damaging? 

Lauri Wakefield
27:34
They're just damaging. Yeah, and I mean it's even fascinating, like talking about the prisoner that you were visiting. I mean, even though you know you have very different lives, I mean there were still some similarities or commonalities that you shared. So you know because we're all underneath it all, we're just human, right?
 
Barb Jacques
27:51
Yeah, and he had just finished reading a book called what is Karma, and I would have never thought in a million years that somebody in the prison system would read such a book. And it was interesting because at first he was kind of looking at what had happened to him as he was growing up and thinking about karma for the other people. But in time he started to think, he started to realize wow, look at the karma. And how do I, you know, move away from that? How do I, you know, he there's nothing he can do for his victim, but it really started. Rather than being stuck in a victim, I'm in prison for, you know, 30 years. It really helped him to grow as an individual. 

Lauri Wakefield
28:36
Right look outside himself. 

Barb Jacques
28:40
Exactly. Yeah, take responsibility. 

Lauri Wakefield
28:42
Exactly, yeah, so that's going to wrap things up for this episode. Thanks so much for joining me today. If you'd like more information about Barb and the products and services she offers, you can visit her website at disrupting gracefully [dot] com, which I'll link to in the show notes, and then I'm also going to link to her TEDx talk which, yeah, I told you I started I didn't finish it today, but I started listening to it and very, very interesting. You actually did a really good job. I know when I talked to you before, you did it when we were messaging back and forth and you were kind of nervous about it, but you did not look nervous at all. 

Barb Jacques
29:22
Well, we had a lot of tech problems that day. Our mic kept cutting out, so there was a lot of cutting, but I think, yeah, I wasn't nervous.

Lauri Wakefield
29:25
No, you did a really good job. 

Barb Jacques
29:27
Yeah, thank you so much, yeah. 

Lauri Wakefield
29:29
If you'd like to see the show notes for today's podcast, you can find them on my website at inspired living for women [dot] com. The show notes will be listed under Podcast Show Notes, Episode 11. If you'd like to join me as I continue my conversations with other guests exploring topics for women over 50, please be sure to subscribe to the Inspiring Journeys podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

Barb Jacques
29:49
Thank you.