The Weather of Your Grief

Welcome to the When Grief Comes Home podcast. We're glad you're here. This podcast supports parents who are grieving a spouse, partner, or child while helping their children who are living through the loss of a parent or sibling. With personal grief stories and professional guidance, we offer parents practical tips for supporting their child who is grieving while caring for their own grief. 

In this episode, Erin reflects on a moment of panic while driving through fog after her son’s death—an emotional “grief storm” that arrived without warning. We explore how grief can feel unpredictable and intense, and how tools like deep breathing and grounding can help bring us back to center.

Using Dr. Dan Siegel’s “window of tolerance” framework, we look at how grief can leave us feeling overwhelmed or numb—and how to gently return to a place of balance. For parents, we share a creative activity where children illustrate their own “grief weather,” helping them name their feelings and discover what helps them cope.

Grief storms do pass. And with the right support, we can move through them with greater strength and compassion.

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Transcript

Welcome to When Grief Comes Home

Gary Shriver 0:00

Hello and welcome to When Grief Comes Home, a podcast dedicated to parents living through loss while supporting their child. Let's meet the team.

Erin Nelson 0:11

I'm Erin Nelson, founding executive director at

Collen Montague 0:15

Hi, I'm Colleen Montague, program director for Jessica's House and a licensed marriage and family therapist.

Brad Quillen 0:21

Hi, I'm Brad Quillen and I'm the host of When Grief Comes Home.

Gary Shriver 0:25

This podcast goes along with a book of the same name. The book When Grief Comes Home is a gentle guide for parents who are grieving a partner or child, while helping their children through the loss of their parent or sibling. When Grief Comes Home is now available at all major book retailers. Now let's go to the team as they share grief resources and coping skills, heartfelt stories and insights to support parents as they raise children who are grieving. Together you'll find strength as we learn to live with loss and find ways to heal.

Brad Quillen 1:01

Well, hello, hello, it's Brad from Jessica's House. Today we're talking about the rhythms of grief and how they will follow a similar cadence to other parts of our natural world. Like the weather, just like a heat wave or cold front, our feelings of grief have a brewing, peaking and receding. We will talk about how to support ourselves during those times, trusting a storm never lasts forever. The weather of your grief, I'm so glad we're talking about this because I don't like to say these words every, never or always, but I think it's safe to say this about "he weather of your grief that people that are grieving will experience this very idea we want to talk about today the weather of your grief. Erin, can you take a couple minutes to help us understand what we mean around Jessica's House when we talk about this idea, the weather of your grief, to just kind of give a basic understanding of what that means.

Erin Nelson 1:52

Yeah, Brad, when we think about "he weather of your grief, we're talking about it just, you know some people will say it comes in waves, or like you can feel just this front coming in and it's bringing something. And it's just all of these emotions that are inside of us and how they actually affect our body, and we never know when it will happen. And it's all of a sudden you're feeling like this storm is coming and you're sensing this experience of having very intense emotions, sometimes that you weren't expecting, and sometimes, just as we're grieving, we never know what you know as we walk into an experience .

Erin Nelson 2:34

ome people will say it's the first time they went to the grocery store, or you know it's, you know, checking the box widow or widower, for the very first time. What will it be? Where the storm all of a sudden is coming in and we're experiencing all of these emotions in our body. So we wrote about that in our book and it's just this chapter about. This is all the experiences and just the what we have inside of us and there are ways that we can really weather the storm and we can find our what we call resources to help us to those next moments, as the storm can feel really intense and we're going to just talk today about the weather gear and how we can find ways to really find shelter and find ways to get through the storm of our grief really find shelter and find ways to get through the storm of our grief.

Brad Quillen 3:30

So let me ask you a follow-up question about that, because there's kind of the cooler aspects of a . year in Dr., but then there's also for the hot part of summer, and we kind of talk about that a little bit in this idea of weather of grief, and what would kind of those two spectrums, those two ends, the opposites be when we talk about the weather of grief?

Understanding the Weather of Your Grief

Erin Nelson 3:44

Yeah, when we're talking about like being too cold or too hot, we're bringing in this idea that and Siegel, dr Dan Siegel, really created this idea of the window of tolerance.

Understanding the Weather of Your Grief

Erin Nelson 3:57

So it's either you're too cold or you're too hot and you're trying to find that just right place. And you can think of it as even like Goldilocks and the Three Bears, that nursery, like fairytale, where you know they were trying to find their just right place Right, and you know Goldilocks went through, you know, the porch that was too hot and then it was too cold, but then she found that what was just right. And this idea is that when we are experiencing a storm that is very intense, we may feel panic, we may feel rage and anxiety, or if we're feeling that kind of cold front, it's really like being like maybe just feeling numb and just disconnected. We may feel empty and shut down. And so we're looking to feel those feelings and acknowledge those feelings and then find out how can we come back to the center. And a lot of that has to do with the opportunities to express what we're going through.

Brad Quillen 4:57

And a little later in the podcast we're going to talk about acclimating and then you said weather gear House what are some of those things we can help us to get back to that acclimation piece. But before we do that, normally we start off the podcast with you kind of giving a little bit of background to your story and a piece of you, and so I know after Carter died there's a kind of a family vacation that illustrates this very well for those that are listening today, about this idea of the storm or just some of those feelings kind of coming out of nowhere sometimes.

Erin Nelson 5:41

We were going to Disneyland on a family trip and we were going in January and we had to get up really early in the morning.

Erin Nelson 5:45

We were going to Disneyland on a family trip, and thank God we were House in January and we had to get up really early in the morning, and so our kind of go time was 5 am and we got in the car, we piled in and I was going to take the very first kind of leg of the trip and so I was driving and we were driving down the freeway and there was just a wall of fog that came in and there was a lot of construction going on during that time on our highway, so we had these one lane roads where oncoming traffic was coming and we had these cement barriers next to us and I, just because we couldn't see there were like big trucks in front of me and then behind, and I just felt this very strong sense of panic and I just felt, you know, like I realized like just that survival kind of inside of me, like there's no escaping this, like if that truck was going faster, whatever it might be.

Erin Nelson 6:36

You know, it was like a sense of panic God for Jessica's house, because I was able to just take a really deep breath and just kind of squeeze my hands. I decided we always talk about how brains can reconnect in some ways when we're just processing something and where it's not really processing through our prefrontal cortex scene where we bring reason and logic. Was I in danger?

Erin Nelson 7:34

Colleen, t here's it feel like I was yes in that moment and so, and that panic came in and I was able to just kind of squeeze right and left and just breathe and you know, I got through it and I got through that little area and the fog eventually lifted. And so those"he are the types of experiences that we can have when we're not expecting it. I wasn't expecting to feel that way, it just hit me very hard and just that that, of panic. And so finding our resources and finding . to get through those storms is so important.

Brad Quillen 7:34

Colleen. There's a number of people that are listening House that are probably going oh, that makes so much sense. I can remember too. I can remember this. I can remember to this point when these happen. You've heard numerous stories over the years that kind of will help shed a little light onto the weather of grief. actually, one some other examples like that you've heard that have maybe surprised you or thought oh, I didn't think about that, but that's so true that that's a part in those seasons in the grief world? .

Collen Montague 7:59

We recently did an activity Colleen with kids at Jessica's house where we invited them to create and show us what their grief storm was for them. And naturally we saw a lot of storms, rainstorms, lightning storms, tornadoes, those type of weather that kids related to their grief. And then I was surprised. A couple of them actually. One told us it's like a sandstorm and just being pelted with sand and vision being a little tricky, too hard to navigate through those. And then one child's was a heat wave. Erin He just hates the heat and that's what grief has felt like Just that overwhelming, that blaring down from the sun for him has felt like just that overwhelming, that blaring down from the sun for him.

Erin's Story: Panic in the Fog

Brad Quillen 8:50

That makes me think, colleen, that we live in California where there's not this as much as there is in the Midwest, but some of those afternoon thunderstorms that can just pop up right when we know a front's coming . in, or heat waves coming in here in California more. But I think it's safe to say that people are listening or probably going. Well, yeah, sometimes they just come out of the blue and it's one thing kind of just makes me pop right back to that, as you said, aaron, as you were towards LA and the fog. But then we can also feel them slowly starting to come on, especially with folks that it's a few weeks or a month, you know, before the anniversary of something and they can start to feel that. .

Erin Nelson 9:21

So, it's interesting how families will teach us how it was like, oh, just the weather and what it feels like just the time of year, and they won't even sometimes they just can't even put their finger on it Like what is it that I'm just feeling extra sad or extra anxious. And , as we're kind of thinking about that, we know that there are times, and just to say like, for me it was that panic feeling, but sometimes people will say like I, just that time of year came around and.

Erin Nelson 9:53

felt like I just can't get out of bed and, you know, I'm just feeling like all I can do is just kind of sit and just scroll through my phone and people are asking me, hey, come on, let's go do this and let's, you know, go watch a movie or do something. And I'm just like I can't. I feel like I can't even really just even get out of the house. And so sometimes, when people are experiencing more of that shutdown and sometimes you can see that with, maybe, teens and you're noticing, and we see this even at Jessica's house, where you know the hoodies over the head and they're coming in and they're not really making eye contact Sometimes, when you're feeling more kind of in that cold space of the weather we're talking about, like what does it look like to lift something heavy and just kind of activate your body a little bit more, to sometimes even drinking something that's really cold and immersing your hands or, like people have said, hey, I just open up the freezer door and put my face in it and I feel more alive, and sometimes just eating something crunchy like ice or something tangy, and that can really help to kind of come into that just right space that we talked about earlier. So we never know how it will hit us and whether we're feeling kind of the heat and the storms or it feels like we're much more like in that place of shutdown. And what does it mean for us to feel that and acknowledge it but then come back to that kind of just right place.

Collen Montague 11:28

You know what you're explaining, Erin is what we talk about as weather gear.

Collen Montague 11:32

You know you're talking about coping skills or you know, resourcing yourself, and so we have attributed that to weather gear. You know, think about when you're out, and if it's going to start raining, you're not going to make it out there very long before you're soaking wet. Right, You're going to run back into the house, but if you have a rain jacket on, you can and an umbrella with you and rain boots on, well, you can hang out there through the storm really before you would want to retreat back into the house. And so that idea of resourcing yourself, Getting in those coping skills to help you ride out that storm, that's what we want to teach ourselves and our kids when we experience those. So, thinking about whatever feels good for you, those resources, those coping skills that help you ride out that storm, whether it is a cold front or it's a rainstorm, or if it's a heat wave, you know what can you do to bring yourself back into your just right place.

Erin Nelson 12:34

Yeah, Colleen, I'm thinking about you and I, because through this book we've traveled so much together and just through my own experiences of trauma sometimes it's hard for me to get on an airplane, drive in. on, you know, on a stormy night and so we've even, like, done something, what we call co-regulation, which is another way we can get into our just right place and that's having somebody with you to help you regulate your own emotions.

Erin Nelson 14:21

Exactly, and I think about how, you know, there have been times we've been on an airplane and the turbulence happens and you'll just kind of put your shoulder next to mine and it's just, it's amazing what can happen when brains can connect together and begin to find a synchronicity and that we can really help to calm each other through co-regulation. And just knowing you're not alone is so powerful through co-regulation, and just knowing you're not alone is so powerful. And we've even heard from families and we talk about this where, if they're feeling really shut down or feeling extra anxious, going even into a public space like a library, a park, a coffee shop, where other people are kind of buzzing, you know they're just like they have these. They may be working, but they're in a calm space and you know, it's amazing what can happen with mirror neurons and mirroring other people in a space and what our brain is able to do, and it can really help boost our mood or maybe bring us down a little bit to that just right place.

Collen Montague 14:08

And that's the key point that you said is that they're in a calm state, and so when you can be with somebody who is in their just right place, that's what's really going to help you co-regulate.

Erin Nelson 14:21

Exactly and as we find that as parents it's, we can provide that as a container for our children. So as we find calm and we're finding tools to come to that just right place, we can help our child also be in that just right place. And again, we're not saying that you're not going to have the storms and that you're not going to feel all of that and find ways to express. But when you are expressing, even the actual action of expressing can really help

Erin Nelson 14:52

nd Erin, and just you know, as those storms come in, many times it you know, tears accompany those storms and that's just our body's natural way of bringing us back to that place. And when we're talking about our just right place, we're and, we're feeling grounded, we're feeling engaged, and so that is where it's like we are living in that kind of our best self in some ways. But you know, of course that's after we're feeling all the feelings of grief. ..

Collen Montague 17:14

And the good Colleen news too is that, you know, I'm thinking Brad, you mentioned us living in California and man, it gets hot here in the summer and I'm never ready for it. But, you mentioned the weather gear, so to speak, for when you're in a cold front and feeling shut down. So the flip side could be when you're in a heat wave and feeling really like kind of activated big energy in your body, really like kind of activated big energy in your body. And so some ideas to help get you back into your just right place is deep breathing. We like to do four, seven, eight breathing here, where you breathe in for four, hold for seven, exhale for eight, swaying side to side humming I know that's one of your personal favorites, erin Wrapping your arms.

Erin Nelson 17:14

And the good news too is that, you know, I'm thinking Brad, you mentioned us living in California and man, it gets hot here in the summer and I'm never ready for it. But know, colleen, I'm thinking about one of our favorites. We did it yesterday in our office and we just have even just in our daily life, right as we just have daily stress. We 100s this little piece. What 100 it actually called? Do we have a name for it? Break the Chains, yeah, and so where? If you imagine yourself just kind of 100 crossing your arms and then forcefully taking your arms to your side with a really big out breath and so doing that, we did that like four times and then we were able to kind of go is, into that next meeting or whatever it might be. But sometimes, just even when you're grieving or just in everyday life, . That's ways you can come back to that middle space and begin to feel more present and calm and the good news too is that, you know, I'm thinking, brad, you mentioned us living in California and, man, it gets hot here in the summer and I'm never ready for it.

Collen Montague 17:14

But when the temperatures start to go up Colleen, let's just say, may-ish, you and an 80 degree day feels hot to us, and then soon it's in the 90s and then soon it's over hundreds. If . we How had a hundred degree day in May, we would be so hot we would feel like it's excruciating, because you can't just jump from 70 degrees to a hundred right, we need to acclimate, and so that's why it's helpful when we can acclimate our bodies into this new weather season, for example. Well, the same is true for this weather of grief is that as we learn to ride out these storms acclimating to this new way of life or acclimating to our environment. And what happens, which is so cool, is that then our little window of tolerance, our ability to ride that out, it gets bigger. And so once you go through something hard, it's tough, but then you can say, yeah, but I did it, so I can do it again.

Erin Nelson 18:22

And that can affect our window of tolerance is just your everyday capacity how much sleep did you get last night? And just to know that, just naturally, your window of tolerance will be smaller if you're tired, are you hungry? Have you had the nutrition that you need? Are you hydrated? And so, as you're kind of noticing something in your body, going through that checklist of you know what and giving yourself kind of like just that self-compassion to say you know what, and giving yourself kind of like just that self compassion to say you know what, I didn't sleep very well last night, so my grief is feeling really heavy today. I'm feeling those storms a lot more intensely than I usually feel, or just you know if you are just needing some lunch or a snack.

Acclimating to Grief's Changing Climate

Brad Quillen 19:07

So, being aware of other knowing, not only your grief, but your physical needs and emotional needs that might be and they need to be met- and I hear you talking about the acclimation and I'm almost positive somebody's listening to this podcast and going I wish I didn't have to acclimate, and that is true, and that is true. But, as Colleen, as you said, there's something to the reality of look what I've been able to handle and what I've been able to go through, and I can.

Collen Montague 19:37

And that's resiliency building right, Brad we can go into the storm and that we can ride it out.

Erin Nelson 19:42

And it is so true, brad, what you're saying about I wish I didn't have to acclimate. I think families are telling us like my friends are spending their every day in these decisions, like you know what kind of like. You know flowers should I plant today, or something like that. And you're like just trying to just swim upstream and you are when you're grieving and you've had a profound loss. It's so hard to consistently have to have this awareness of acclimation and just to know that, no matter what and what you're facing, whatever storm you're facing, storms never last forever, right, and so even the most horrendous flood or storm or tornado or anything that is really devastating, it ends and there's a rebuilding process, and so our grief really reflects those patterns in nature and knowing that that is all just a cadence of our world and you will get a break and those emotional, that intense feeling that you have, it will dissipate.

Brad Quillen 20:52

Yeah, the sun comes tomorrow.

Erin Nelson 20:53

Yeah.

Brad Quillen 21:00

on. Hey, we're going to take a break here for just a moment. When we come back, we want to just take a few moments to talk about how do we When walk with our kids through this idea of the weather of grief. jessicashouse. jessicashouse.

Gary Shriver 21:10

How do we walk with our break, and this idea of the weather of grief? Jessica's house is a children's bereavement center located in California's Central Valley since 2012. We provide free peer support for children, teens, young adults and their families grieving a loss. The when Grief Comes Home podcast goes along with the book of the same name. The book when Grief Comes Home is a gentle guide for parents who are grieving a partner or child while helping their children through the Colleen, Erin their parent or sibling. When Grief Comes Home is now available at all major book retailers and if you need grief-related support, please visit jessicashouseorg to download our free resources and be sure to follow Jessica's House on social media. If you have any questions or topics that you'd like us to explore in a future episode, just send us an email to info at jessicashouseorg.

Brad Quillen 22:04

Well, welcome back from the break. we continue to talk about this idea of weather of grief, we want to take a few moments to just kind of walk through that as it pertains to kids and teens and young adults. And I know, as we were talking a to, you ago, that some know, have oh bigger emotions than others and some feel it more and some have longer moods or can have shorter moods or outburst and all the things. But, colleen Aaron, what would you say to those parents that are listening that would help them just with the weather of grief for their kids?

Collen Montague 22:37

I think it's important to know that. You know these might be kind of newer or more intense emotions than they've had before, and so you just may need to spend some time really helping them to understand what's going on in their body, you know, and how to relate it to. You know those, you know. Oh, it sounds like what you're feeling is anxiety. That's what it kind of sounds like, based on what you're describing it as.

Brad Quillen 22:59

Yeah them name it or define what it is. Erin

Helping Children Navigate Grief Storms

Collen Montague 23:02

Yeah, yeah, and then as you do that, you can engage in those you know coping skills or the weather gear we talked about earlier, all those things that Aaron and I mentioned. You can do with your child too. And one of my favorites is, you know, when you're feeling really like in that big, you know heat wave, very activated, is taking some ice outside and just throwing it against the ground or throwing it against the fence. It's, it's fun, but it's also like such a good release of energy and to hear it like crack against the ground or the fence and that's something to do with your energy that you're having.

Erin Nelson 23:38

Yeah, and you know we've talked about this before.

Erin Nelson 23:41

But the idea of reflection and as your kids are expressing kind of what they're going through, and that could be just they're really mad.

Erin Nelson 23:51

You know that, you know they're going to practice and their dad was always there and he's no longer there, but to just say like you're really mad, you know that your dad died and you wish he was here right now and you wish he was here playing catch with you and whatever it is that your kids are explain, you know, just expressing to you, you can reflect and really affirm them and just that expression just brings safety and an ability to come back into that just right place when you are feeling just all of those emotions and we talked . little bit about the, you know being a container and we talked about co-regulation and mirror neurons earlier but sometimes, like, all your child needs is just your presence. You know, just to sit next to you. You don't even have to say anything, but just your calm presence, like watching a movie, reading a book, just being with your child can really help them stay in their ideal climate.

Brad Quillen 25:00

So we're talking about emotions. Kids can have big emotional swings or outburst emotions, but we as adults can be feeling a lot of emotion and it's so hard for us to engage with kids or to be present because we're in our own stuff right now. So can you speak to a few of the folks that are listening and have felt that or will be there, you know, in some time in the future? But to be able to ground yourself enough to be able to sit and be in the presence of your kid, even though they're having a large outburst? .

Erin Nelson 25:31

Yeah, you know, if you're feeling, if you're already feeling activated and you're feeling also really angry and your child is doing that, you can just say you know, I'm feeling really upset right now and you're upset too and I need to calm myself down. So I'm just going to take a second just to walk around a little bit. You don't have to go too far, but just to say I'm just going to take. some breaths and even if you don't have buy-in for them to breathe as well, it's like if you again can calm yourself and maybe you can even take some breaths together. Do you want to take a breath? And even if you have some choices? .

Erin Nelson 27:11

Along with reminding them that a storm never lasts forever, you know, and encouraging them that they do. You know some of our favorites with kids are square breathing. You know, which is just like breathing in for four, out for four, in for four, out for four, know, we know smelling the flower and then blowing the candle, and so there are so many different ones. So you can just say do you want to do box breathing right now k. would you what, or a ball, they can't worry at the same time. So just like, let's go play catch for a minute and just it's amazing what can happen when you get into a new environment. You play catch outside or even little balloon volleyball inside if the activated. not great, but anything that you can do to just be with your child and actively engage them All along reminding them that a storm never lasts forever, you know, and encouraging them that they do.

Collen Montague 27:11

control how our body will react to things, or you know the emotions we feel, but we can control what we do when we feel them. We can, you know. We know what kind of weather gear we need in that moment, and helping your child to learn what works best for them, and that it's so different child to child too. You know. We know what kind of weather gear we need in that moment, and helping your child to learn what works best for them, and that it's so different child to child too, you know what. Or just person to person. Actually, just what works for one person might be a little different for somebody else, and that's what they're going to be learning about themselves. Is what works for me when I'm feeling really shut down or when I'm feeling really?

Erin Nelson 27:43

activated. Yeah, they can even make a list. You can brainstorm together and put a list on the refrigerator of how you can get back to your just right place, and so just giving choices, and then they can go point to like what they wanna do next"hen And that really is finding your resources. And what we know from working with children who do have loss and trauma is that you know choices really can help. And finding your resource is really how you can feel that you have a little more control and that knowing that you have resources can really help you move through this, these feelings of grief, moment by moment.

Brad Quillen 28:30

So we keep dougy. org about being able to help kids find a resource. One of the ways you can find resources, you can go on nacg. org Jessica's House website to help kids be able to are find grieving some of those different things that will help them. Obviously, the book when Grief Comes Home. But where would be some other places parents could find some resources for those coping skills? We mentioned a number of them here on the podcast, but we know a lot of kids need a lot of different things and we can't list a huge exhaustive list right in the podcast. It'd go on and on. But is there a go-to place that you two can think of that would help kiddos with that, or parents be able to share those with their kids?

Creating Weather Gear for Kids

Collen Montague 28:59

We always recommend dougieorg. It's another grief center like ours and they have a very deep library of resources on their website, jessicashouse. org well as nacgorg, which is our National Alliance for Children who Are Grieving. They have a very big library as well of all different kinds of resources.

Brad Quillen 29:19

Colleen, those are two great places to find resources and, again, you can always find more resources at our website too, jessicashouseorg, which made me think that there is also that book list on the website for a number of books that help kids walk through grief, and so make sure you check that out as well. Colleen, earlier you mentioned an activity that we did here recently at Jessica's House. Would you share that with our listeners?

Collen Montague 29:43

Storms of grief, you know. Sit down with your child. You just need a piece of paper and some art materials and talk with them about, you know, that storm of grief, that energy in their body. And if they could draw it on paper, what would their storm look like, you know? And if they're not, if that's kind of gear, have you can just say what type of weather do you not enjoy? Ask your child if your grief were a storm, what would it be? And so they can draw a picture of themselves and then the storm going on around them.

Collen Montague 30:13

I'm imagining one that I saw a child draw and it was with rain and thunder and lightning. And so then we asked them okay, now, what kind of coping skills, what kind of weather gear do you need to get through that storm? And this child drew a little rain jacket, he had galoshes on the help them. And that's where he wrote ride my bike, talk with my dad and eat my favorite snack, I think he put.

Collen Montague 30:47

Erin so just inviting them to really reflect on what that storm of grief looks like and what they need to get through it in the moment. You can also treat this like When little brainstorming session with Erin your kid too. They may not realize all the things that actually help them, and so giving them ideas like realize all the things that actually help them. And so giving them ideas like you know, how do you feel after going for a walk? Do you need to take a little break? Do you want to go and play catch? Do you want to talk with somebody you feel safe with or that you can trust? Do you want to go out and shoot hoops? And so reminding them of what has helped them in the past, so that they can create that list to be a little bit more extensive.

Brad Quillen 31:33

Erin and Colleen, thank you, for a topic we all in grief experience at some point. This wraps up our episode today, and it also wraps up the When first season of When Grief Comes Home. Erin, I know there's something you wanted to share with our listeners today, as we wrap up this podcast, why don't you go ahead and take a moment.

Erin Nelson 31:53

We're wrapping up the very first season ever of When Grief Comes Home, and, just as our listeners have given us really great feedback, I just want to say if you could just take a moment to rate our podcast and also write a review. It helps get it into the hands of those who need it most, and so every time you review a podcast, it goes up a little bit into ratings, and so if somebody just types in grief in a podcast search, they can find this podcast and, as we know that it's been so helpful for parents who are grieving, we want to get it into more hands. So please rate and review.

Brad Quillen 32:29

Thanks, Erin, and let me remind you be sure to visit jessicashouse. org for more grief resources and if you have any other topics or questions you'd like us to cover on this podcast, we welcome your email at info@ jessicashouse. org. Be sure to join us for the next episode of When Grief Comes Home. Until then, we wish you well.

Gary Shriver 32:51

Well, it's hard to believe, but we've come to the end of season one. Now we'll be taking a break for the summer and returning in September with all new episodes. Jessica's House is a children's bereavement center located in California's Central Valley since 2012. We provide free peer support for children, teens, young adults and their families grieving a loss. The When Grief Comes Home podcast goes along with the book of the same name. The book When Grief Comes Home is a gentle guide for parents who are grieving a partner or child while helping their children through the loss of their parent or sibling. When Grief Comes Home is now available at all major book retailers and if you need grief-related support, please visit jessicashouse. org to download our free resources and be sure to follow Jessica's House on social media. If you have any questions or topics that you'd like us to explore in a future episode, just send us an email to info@ jessicashouse. org. Thank you for joining us and we'll see you next time for When Grief Comes Home.