When Grief Comes Home

Going Back to School After Loss

Erin Leigh Nelson, Colleen Montague LMFT, and Brad Quillen Season 2 Episode 10

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When a child returns to school after a death, routine and heartbreak collide. We open this conversation with Erin’s story of walking her daughter into kindergarten weeks after losing her dad and the quiet power of structure—the same faces at the door, a predictable pickup time, and a teacher who became a steady anchor. From there, we build a practical roadmap parents and educators can use right away: how to set up half-days, flexible assignments, and a discreet system for “grief days” so kids can step out before overwhelm takes over.

We talk through classroom dynamics with care. Teachers need language that is clear, concrete, and compassionate when sharing hard news with students. We explain why gathering in a circle, naming death plainly, and normalizing mixed emotions helps classmates welcome a grieving peer without turning them into “the kid whose parent died.” We also share real-world tools for big feelings in busy halls: movement breaks, comfort corners, and small rituals like a double goodbye or matching hearts drawn on hands to ease separation anxiety.

Older students face different choices, from taking a lighter load to pausing a term. Erin reflects on her family’s decision to step back from college after the death of a sibling, highlighting how mental health, distance from home, and timing shape what “support” looks like. We round out the conversation with scripts for handling insensitive comments, an ally plan to reduce isolation, and simple ways to check in that go beyond “How are you?”—using a feelings wheel, images, and concrete questions that kids can actually answer.

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Welcome & Purpose Of The Series

Gary Shriver

Hello, and welcome to When Grief Comes Home, a podcast dedicated to parents living through loss while supporting their child. Let's meet the team.

Erin Nelson

I'm Erin Nelson, founding executive director at Jessica's House.

Colleen Montague

Hi, I'm Colleen Montague, Program Director for Jessica's House and a licensed marriage and family therapist.

Brad Quillen

Hi, I'm Brad Quillen, and I'm the host of When Grief Comes Home.

Gary Shriver

This podcast goes along with the book of the same name. The book When Grief Comes Home is a gentle guide for parents who are grieving a partner or child while helping their children through the loss of their parent or sibling. When Grief Comes Home is now available at all major book retailers. Now let's go to the team as they share grief resources and coping skills, heartfelt stories and insights to support parents as they raise children who are grieving. Together, you'll find strength as we learn to live with loss and find ways to heal. Well, hello, hello.

Today’s Focus: Returning To School

Erin’s Kindergarten Story And Routines

Brad Quillen

It's Brad from Jessica's House. Today we're talking about how to support your child as they return to school after a loss. Whether they return shortly after the death or sometime later, we'll discuss ideas for how to best support them during their transition back. Hey guys, today as we talk about going back to school, this is a reality for every kid in grief. And that's why I wanted to ask you, Erin, a little bit about your story, because at some point all of your kids had to go back to school. And the kids that come here to Jessica's house, they go back to school at some point. And some are traditional school years, some are on independent study pieces, some have homeschool. But there's all kinds of those realities for kids that they got to go back to school at some point. And so can I ask you when Tyler died, Cassie was going into her kindergarten year, but just eight weeks or so before her dad died. So what was that like for you guys and for her? Can you share a little bit about that as we get started today?

Erin Nelson

Yeah, thank you, Brad. And as I think back about that time, I remember being really excited and just you know how you have she was our first child. And so we had, you know, made this decision about what school she would go to. And I'll never forget, just about a month before he died, we had gone to this orientation for kindergarten. And just sitting there in that little classroom, both of us sitting in the little tiny chairs and listening to what the kids would need as they came to kindergarten and really helping us as a parent, first-time parent, to send our kids off to school, right? Send our first um born off to school. And so um going to school and taking her that first day, I actually will never forget taking her to school and he wasn't there, and you know, of course he would have been there, right? As we walked her up to the door and going um and knowing that as we've talked so much about routine and how important it is, and how school can be such a stabilizer for children and how at some point it's good for kids to get back into a routine. And so, yeah, we walked her in or I walked her in and just never forget like even those that early artwork where they're drawing their families and he was still in our picture. In her picture. Yeah, yeah. And so um being concerned about her just being away from me, and so um trying to keep routine and at the same time realizing that it was hard for both of us to be away from each other in some ways.

What I’d Tell My Younger Self

Brad Quillen

And we're gonna get into talking about how do we inform teachers and keep them in the loop and those things, but I want to stop and ask you this. 30 years ago is when this happens. What would you tell Aaron 30 years ago walking into that classroom or the weeks leading up to having to re-enter for some families that are re-entering school? What would you say to that Erin 30 years ago?

Erin Nelson

I think what I've learned over the years, especially working with families in grief, is to trust um just the routines and just sometimes you lean on that when your emotions are feeling just different than you've ever had before, and you're feeling untethered in a lot of ways. There are places even in our just everyday lives that we can trust, that the same people will be at the door, you'll see the same parents, and you start leaning even on your community in some ways, even when it comes to your child's school.

Brad Quillen

Yeah.

Erin Nelson

And so just trusting the goodness of that in some ways, of just knowing that kids need to have those routines and to trust that as you bring that confidence into that space, that the kids will look to you as a parent to trust that next step of dropping them off and knowing they'll be okay and knowing that as we've talked so much of the time, is this is what time I'll pick you up, and that you're there for them. And they begin learning that hey, they can get through a school day.

Brad Quillen

And that this is gonna get, I don't want to say easier, but this is gonna get to be a little more routine, as you're saying, and gonna be a help in their grief.

Partnering With Teachers And Schools

Erin Nelson

Yes, and as we and you know, for Cassie's teacher, she I still see her around town, and sometimes she'll talk to me about Cassie and um just that's not an everyday, you know, part of life. Thank God that teachers, you know, have a child coming into their class and that had a recent loss. And her teacher is um a friend of mine now, and I see her around town, and but I'll never forget how she was such a stabilizing presence in Cassie's life and how she welcomed her every day and all of the structure that was built into that kindergarten classroom. And I'm really grateful for that.

Brad Quillen

And and speaking of teachers, I'm married to a teacher in Colleen, you and I and Erin, we've talked about this on that teacher side of things. How do we help the teacher know what's going on so that it'll help our kiddos as they go back to class or as they start to kind of reintegrate into some of those? And sometimes it can be they might start with a half a day or some of those things, but how do we help the teacher be prepared for when our kid comes back?

Colleen Montague

It's so important to invite the teachers into this process uh with you. And it starts with just letting them know, you know, about the death, you know, or if it's if it's hard to connect with them on that at the moment, can someone else connect with the teacher and let her know or him know? And talk about if your child's gonna take a little break from school or if they're gonna, if they want to come right back, see if there's any accommodations that the teacher or the school can make. I love your idea, Brad, you know, about thinking if it should be a half day at first or even less. Just and also if your kids old enough, letting them kind of help be a part of the decision too, of what feels okay and right for them. Can there be extensions on assignments due, depending on the age of your child? We've talked before about how our brain is just so muddy after a loss, and so it can be really hard to do homework and schoolwork. And it also may not feel very important too compared to the loss that they're holding. You know, there might not be a whole lot of motivation right now for schoolwork, and that's understandable. So coming with the teacher, coming alongside them and just seeing what can be done to help ease your child back into the classroom.

Erin Nelson

You know, I'm just thinking as you're talking, Colleen, that when what's really hard about loss, and we've talked about this before, is that life keeps going. All of our responsibilities keep going. If your child lost their parent or whoever it might be in the middle of a school year, they still have to take a test next week.

Brad Quillen

Yeah.

Tests, Life’s Momentum, And Grief Days

Erin Nelson

And we you still have to, you know, mow the lawn and take out the garbage. And so, in some ways, life kind of pulls you forward in some ways because it can't stop. So that's a really hard reality for a child who's grieving who has so much on their mind and has fears maybe they've never had before, and how you know life keeps going, it can be stabilizing and also really hard.

Brad Quillen

And one of the things that we've talked about before, and I'm curious, I want to throw this out there to you guys to answer. There are anniversary dates and there's birth dates, and there's holidays, and there's different events throughout the year that at schools that would normally have mom and dad or you know, uh my my siblings all here for these things. And then there's just the reality of first teachers need to know that some days are just heavy emotionally with grief. And sometimes kids get in trouble for having a grief day is the word I'm gonna use right there. Grief day. So how do we help uh educators understand that? And I would say that there are some resources at jessica shouse.org on our resource page on that. But but Colleen, what can you and Erin, what can you speak to about there's just some of those grief days that we have in the classroom as a second grader or as an you know as a a sophomore.

Colleen Montague

Yeah, I think the first step to this is to always let the teacher know at the beginning of the year of this loss that your child has experienced because it will always matter.

Brad Quillen

Yeah.

Colleen Montague

I had a teacher once tell me, I want to know. Even if the loss was five years ago, I want to know because it informs how I proceed throughout the year. There's multiple things throughout the year, like we talked about Brad, just projects like Christmas time gifts for parents, Mother's Day cards, Father's Day cards, even down to the type of books she would read. She said she would tailor the books she would read. There were a couple that she wouldn't probably read throughout the year if she knew a child was living with such a hard loss. And so no matter how much time has passed, share that with the teacher. And then you can also talk to the teacher about how your child is doing during that time. You know, hey, just so you know, I sometimes he has a really hard day and they just pop up. Um it when he does, can we talk about a little plan? You know, these are the things that has helped him in the past. Is that something you would be willing to accommodate? Such as my favorite is putting a post-it note on the desk just to communicate, like, hey, having a hard time. Yeah, I need a break, you know, and then the teacher before that, the year before, she would send him to the office with a note just to get him walking, move his body a little bit. Just little ideas and let your teacher hopefully, you know, be a part of that problem solving process too.

Brad Quillen

So, Erin, speaking of teachers, we've we've helped in a lot of different situations, uh, teachers inform classes and we've gone into classes, but there might be teachers listening to this. How can a teacher help inform the rest of the class about a death that's happened to one of their classmates?

Planning For Triggers And Heavy Dates

How Teachers Inform And Support A Class

Erin Nelson

Yeah, something that we know is a best practice is that you would have children not be at their desk when they hear hard news. And so sometimes if you can just have them all maybe sit in a circle on the carpet or something like that, and that you're always proceeding any hard news with I have some really hard news, and that you're giving some time for them to orient into a more serious conversation. So if a teacher is informing a child, there's they're able to say, I have some really hard news to tell you. And then if it's maybe a classmate that has died, or maybe a classmate um in a classmate sibling or parent, being able to see what it is, and as we've talked about before, using concrete information about whatever it is it how they died, and to say that, you know, they died of an illness or an accident, their body stopped working. And I think one thing that we know about children who are grieving is that they don't want to be treated differently when they go back into the classroom, and that can be really awkward sometimes for a child who wants to integrate. So you can say, you know, when this person comes back, we're gonna treat them like we did yesterday or any other day that um that they are your classmate. And even if you experience something, and sometimes even asking the class, like, raise your hand if you've ever had your goldfish die or your cat die or something like that, getting them oriented to some empathy about deaths that they may have already experienced, what was it like for them, getting them talking about that and to reflect on some of their experiences, like what helped you? And also have them reflect on were there ever times, like talk about a time that you were really sad that your dog died, but also that you were really excited that was your birthday. So kids can orient around you can be really sad that your dad died and also be really excited that you get to have an extra time for a recess or something like that. And so to know that when they're when their friend comes back, they're not gonna be sad all the time. And because some kids can feel even shame if they're have if they're laughing, and sometimes other children will say to them, Well, why are you laughing if your mom died? And so it's kind of like orienting and educating the kids, and that each child should be able to welcome that classmate back in a way that where they're touching in with them. So making sure that maybe there's a little group kind of piece, but also that they're just touching them or whatever it is, just saying, hey, I'm here for you. I know your dad died, and that's really hard. And whatever that might be, so that each person has a little bit of entry with them. Something that kids have said and um are things like, you know, I don't like when people say, I know how you feel, or you know, this happened to me, and now um I know what it feels like for someone to die. So it's just being able to be there, like I'm here for you.

Brad Quillen

I'm glad you talked about that individual piece. You started with the idea that uh treat them the same. But that individual piece of they're able to go up and acknowledge what's happened as kiddos, you know, and have that moment together um and then be able to let the the day look what it used to be like, you know, and get back kind of into routine. And Erin, I was curious. We also know that when kids return to school that first few days or a few weeks, it's sometimes there's a bit of separation anxiety or worries about, well, something happened to one family member, so uh it's gonna happen again.

Erin Nelson

Right.

Brad Quillen

And so there's kiddos that are super worried um about going to school and leaving their adult or leaving their their family at home. And that happened with your son Cody as well, because he was three and going to preschool when Tyler died, your husband. Can you talk a little bit about that and just some of the strategies you used and how that affected him?

Separation Anxiety And Goodbye Rituals

Erin Nelson

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I have memories of Cody we dropping him him off, and he just after Tyler died went through a a period of being extra clingy, like needing extra time and not wanting me to leave. And so we had some goodbye, goodbye rituals. I remember one particular little piece that I don't think the teacher could do for every child is that he would say goodbye to me at the door, but then he would run to another window and and still wave goodbye. And so that's just one piece where I knew he would do that, and that was kind of our natural rhythm, is that I could stand at that window and wave to him and just like a little extra, little extra goodbye. And I know some of what we've talked about before is to like draw a little heart on their hand and on your hand and just say that, you know, we're we're gonna be like this, like we're together, and that I'm I'll be thinking about you and know that we're gonna come back together again, and just again reiterating when you'll be back and what you'll be doing while you're gone and building that trust. And so it's understandable that kids would not only be, you know, have some bigger feelings about being away from you and having some separation anxiety, but also that they may be feeling scared about, you know, if something might happen to you and they're not there in your presence. And so they could have some fears around that. Something that we've done at Jessica's house is creating something that they can have in their backpack. And so it's just like maybe a little package that talks about some breathing techniques about like how can you calm your body when you are feeling anxious at school and little go-to's that they can do, and then also like some numbers of other people that they can call if they're feeling worried if you're late or something like that, kind of for older kids. But just having a little toolkit that they can have in their backpack and that they just know that they can always go to.

Brad Quillen

Speaking of resources, we want to come back after the break and continue talking about some of those things because, in all reality, there's a number of resources at the school, and then there's some resources we might need to ask about once our kids return to school that we never thought we would have to. So after the break, we'll continue.

Gary Shriver

Jessica's House is a children's bereavement center located in California's Central Valley since 2012. We provide free peer support for children, teens, young adults, and their families grieving a loss. The When Grief Comes Home podcast goes along with the book of the same name. The book When Grief Comes Home is a gentle guide for parents who are grieving a partner or child while helping their children through the loss of their parent or sibling. When Grief Comes Home is now available at all major book retailers. And if you need grief-related support, please visit jessica'shouse.org to download our free resources and be sure to follow Jessica's House on social media. If you have any questions or topics that you'd like us to explore in a future episode, just send us an email to info at jessicashouse.org.

Brad Quillen

So welcome back from the break, and we want to continue talking about supporting your kids as they go back to school after there's been a death. Erin, a little bit in your story, there's a a different spin on your youngest daughter, Camille. We've talked about Cassie, your oldest, Cody, your second kiddo, and then you have a son, Carter, that died a few years back, and then your youngest daughter, Camille. And Camille had left to go away to school. And in the first few weeks of her first semester as a freshman in college, your son Carter got into a car accident. And so I was curious if you would kind of walk us through how that all unfolded and how you guys as a family decided to take a break from school and how that kind of came together and just kind of walk us through a little bit of that story and that timeline.

Break & Resource Invitation

College Transition And Taking A Quarter Off

Erin Nelson

Yeah, Brad. So when Carter died, we had just dropped Camille off for college. And we dropped her off and just really the next day he was in his accident. And so we he didn't die in his accident, but we flew her home. And when she got home and we were all there when he died. And then there was this big question because she hadn't even started school yet. And what should we do? Because she hadn't settled in, she hadn't really met anyone. And so we talked as a family and just tried to really find out what she needed. And she decided to go ahead and take that first quarter off. And yeah, just a lot of um trying to work with the school and telling them kind of what happened and how does that work, you know, when you're in college and just helping her and supporting her in that and finding out what she needed. And so we just really grieved as a family during that time. And because it was such a new environment and nobody knew Carter, and we wanted to all heal and grieve and um bring support to our own well being and mental health, it was just a natural choice for us. And so just to say that every kind of season of life is so different, right? Because, you know, with with school and a child that's going to school and maybe it's a school they've been to before and it brings a lot of stability, that felt like a little bit more bringing instability, just being in a new place, not having your family around you, being far away from home. So those are all decisions that you kind of have to uniquely make as a family.

Brad Quillen

Erin, I'm glad you were talking about some of the conversations you had with the school because that is a huge piece that we need to communicate not only with teacher, but the school, and sometimes notifying the office and all of these things, principals, counselors. There's a lot of resources at the school, but Colleen, I was going to ask you two different kinds of pieces of this. One, sometimes this is a really hard phone call to make to inform a school. So you might need to lean on some of your community, like that's at your house. But then what are some of the resources or school pieces that we can, as parents and as caregivers, ask the school about?

School Resources: Counselors, Break Plans

Colleen Montague

We have, like you mentioned, Brad, some resources online for how an educator can support a student who's grieving, even how to support your school after a death. Um, if this other student perhaps, you know, went to the school as well, your child's sibling. And so you're welcome to share those with them and then just give them some ideas of what could be helpful for your child. We already talked about giving them a break when they need, you know, making sure that your child knows how they can get connected to the school counselor if they ever need throughout the school day. We've had kids do a phone call home midday at their lunch break. So it was just known by the office that that student, if they need it, could come in and make the phone call. Really, it's about empowering your child, various ideas for how they can support themselves through the day. And sometimes just knowing that they have that in their back pocket is all they need. And maybe they don't always need to access those resources through the day, but just knowing that they're there are helpful. Some schools I know have comfort corners or little kind of gentle sensory areas in the, you know, corner of a classroom where the kids can take a break if they need. And also just remembering how important getting that physical activity is for their body. And so allowing, you know, that that time for recess and breaks, or even if they need to just stand at their at their desk sometimes and just kind of, you know, sway side to side a little bit just to get some energy out. Um, another thing too, with just big emotions that can come up. I I know of a school once where the kid, there was a pool noodle and they could go outside and um kind of hit a tree with the pool noodle. Kind of sounds like a big deal, but it's just a really good way to get energy out of their body.

Brad Quillen

Yeah, we say around here that big emotions need big energy.

Colleen Montague

Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, unfortunately, like teachers have a lot on their on their plate and they've got a classroom full of kids with different needs. And so I know it's a lot to ask. Um, but just a couple ideas if you could share with the teacher of what could be helpful because ultimately that's going to help them too in in the classroom management if they don't have, you know, a student with really big grief emotions happening all the time and not getting the support they need.

Brad Quillen

And Erin and Colleen, what about some of those relationships? Kids enter back into school and there's just some hard comments to hear, or I'm just gonna say some mean comments. How do we walk through that with with kiddos as a parent or as a caregiver or an aunt or uncle that's taking care of a kiddo?

Big Emotions Need Big Energy

Colleen Montague

Yeah, honestly, you guys, I really struggle with this. It's really, it's kind of mind-boggling to me um when parents in my groups will say that their child is kind of being picked on at school after the death. And I I can't wrap my head around it, but I'm trying to understand it. And I know that kids are afraid of being different and they want to fit in and they don't want to be like the kid whose dad died. You know, they don't want to be like the kid whose brother died. And so maybe there's some of that, you know, where they kind of exile that kiddo for being different, which is doesn't make it okay. But prepping your kid ahead of time to really think about who they can lean on at school, you know, hopefully they have, you know, a couple good friends. Um, that could be even a phone call to those kids' parents to tell them, you know, how to prep their child for, you know, how to support your your child, which is to not treat them any differently. No, you know, to like just like Aaron was saying, to just tell them, you know, they still want to laugh and play too, you know, and so trying to prep them with some support at school and to just say, yeah, I don't get it. I don't know why some kids are mean or why some kids act like that. But it's not okay. And here are some things you can do in response, you know, depending on their age. But just like turning and walking away, if there's some kind of, you know, script you can prep them with, you know, that's not helpful, you know, if they say something and just to have the child say that back to them. But just really knowing that they can come to you and talk about that, and that might, you know, you might need to kind of jump in and support a little bit too on your end and communicating with the teacher if things like that are happening.

Erin Nelson

I think what you're saying, Colleen, is so important. And, you know, this kind of goes back to being l as a parent. It's just that you're continuing to check in with your child and you're opening up conversations and being really specific and asking questions and being able to have a good understanding that unfortunately this does happen when a child is grieving or going through a hard time. And it is so important that we create those safety signals and to know when the child's feeling safe and what can they do? They need to know the steps to go to their teacher. And the teacher can help um with that situation and also have a check-in with the parent and all that you're doing to build that trust with your child, knowing that they can come to you.

Handling Mean Comments And Social Stress

Brad Quillen

Erin, I just heard you say the word check-in. What does that look like for someone that's listening? Like you say, I hear you say check-in, but what does that mean? Like what are you asking? What are you looking for? You know, what are some of those things that uh just being in their space and just being quiet with them? Is it offering hope or trying to explain things? Uh, what would you say to those that are listening about when you say check-in? And I think that there might be some kids that are resistant to that a little bit.

Erin Nelson

I think something that we do at Jessica's house is we like to use the word worry and it helps a child because it's just that language that can identify some of what's on their mind. And so sometimes it's so simple of just even talking a little more abstractly about what their worry looks like. If your worry was a color, what would it be? Um, is your worry you can even like draw something on a piece of paper? And like maybe you're drawing an ant, and then maybe you're drawing a really big house. Like, is your worry, you know, what if you could describe your worry, what what size is it? And also like identifying like what helps them with their worry and what's their biggest worry for them to talk about? Is it that they have so much on their mind that when and just as we've heard from kids, they said my teacher was talking, but I actually couldn't really understand what they were saying because it was just hard so hard for me to take in this information. Is it that you're not understanding and you're feeling really lost in math right now? Because it builds on, you know, it just keeps building. And or is it that you're worried that your friendship has changed with somebody? Are you worried that you won't be able to do well on a test that's coming up? Um it's just, I think, really identifying some of those worries and just really being open to talking about it and as you build that trust that they can really tell you what's on their mind.

Parent Check-Ins That Actually Work

Brad Quillen

So, Erin, as you're speaking, it made me think calling in the show notes of this episode, there's going to be quite a few resources that are on our website that parents and caregivers can access. Do you want to share a little bit about some of those as we talk just about what is it to be present when you're doing those check-ins with your kiddos?

Colleen Montague

Yeah, just to check in is to be fully present, you know. But we always it can be helpful to have a little bit of a tool to kind of lean on instead of just these point-blank questions of how you doing today. And so on our website, it's going to be linked in the show notes, but we have a couple of resources that we've developed here. And one of the practices we begin every group with here at Jessica's house is with our check-in chart. It's nine images, and each child gets to check in with how they're doing that moment or that day. And so you're welcome to print that and put it on your fridge. Sometimes it's really hard to identify words for how we're feeling, but an image might be easier. But for those that do want to find the word to show how they're feeling, we also have a feelings wheel that you can utilize too. And there's so many more descriptive words for our feelings besides mad or sad. Um, there's so many variations, and that can be something that kids and yourself can respond to well.

Brad Quillen

Erin and Colleen, thank you for this today. So many parents out there need this, and so do their kiddos. Erin, I know there's something you wanted to share with our listeners today as we wrap up this podcast. Why don't you go ahead and take a moment?

Tools: Check-In Chart And Feelings Wheel

Erin Nelson

Just as our listeners have given us really great feedback, I just want to say if you could just take a moment to rate our podcast and also write a review. It helps get it into the hands of those who need it most. And so every time you review a podcast, it goes up a little bit into ratings. And so if somebody just types in grief in a podcast search, they can find this podcast. And as we know that it's been so helpful for parents who are grieving, we want to get it into more hands. So please rate and review.

Brad Quillen

Thanks, Erin. And let me remind you: be sure to visit jesscashouse.org for more grief resources. And if you have any other topics or questions you'd like us to cover on this podcast, we welcome your email at info at jessicas house.org. Be sure to join us for the next episode of When Grief Comes Home.

Ratings Request And How To Reach Us

Gary Shriver

Until then, we wish you well. Jessica's House is a children's bereavement center located in California's Central Valley since 2012. We provide free peer support for children, teens, young adults, and their families grieving a loss. The When Grief Comes Home podcast goes along with the book of the same name. The book When Grief Comes Home is a gentle guide for parents who are grieving a partner or child while helping their children through the loss of their parent or sibling. When Grief Comes Home is now available at all major book retailers. And if you need grief-related support, please visit jessica'shouse.org to download our free resources and be sure to follow Jessica's House on social media. If you have any questions or topics that you'd like us to explore in a future episode, just send us an email to info at jessicashouse.org. Thank you for joining us, and we'll see you next time for When Grief Comes Home.