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Adrian Jackson - Breaking Points: How Training Methods Connect Troubled Youth and Bird Dogs
Adrian Jackson shares his extraordinary dual career as a championship bird dog trainer and youth mentor at Cal Farley's Boys Ranch in Texas. His insights reveal the surprising parallels between training high-performance field trial dogs and helping at-risk youth overcome trauma and build successful lives.
• Vice President of Home Life at Cal Farley's Boys Ranch for nearly 29 years, overseeing care for 116 children with capacity for 430
• Cal Farley's is privately funded with an independent school district on campus, taking children ages 5-16 from across the United States
• Won multiple national field trial championships with dogs including Poker Straight Flash, Nemaha Butterfly, and Poker Straight Jet Star
• Judges national championships across many breeds including Brittanys, German Shorthairs, English Setters and Pointers
• Discovered parallels between dog training and youth care through understanding the "survival brain" response in both
• Both disciplines require sequential training, predictable routines, and patience for development
• Co-authored chapters in three New York Times bestselling books in the Impact Influence series
• Currently writing "A Purpose Driven Youth Care Worker" about maintaining focus while working with challenging youth
• Runs Poker Straight Kennel providing training services with regular video updates for clients through social media
• Emphasizes the importance of patience in developing both dogs and young people, warning against culling promising talent too early
Please visit calfarley.org to learn more about the Boys Ranch program or contact Adrian through Poker Straight Kennel on Facebook.
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Speaker 1:It's a privilege to have people that want to put up with me talking about dogs all the time. I actually enjoy what I do and I'm so glad to have this opportunity and thank you. Hello, this is kenneth witt with gundog nation. I'm coming to you today from midland, texas and it's an honor to have this gentleman I'm getting ready to introduce on here. I found out about him through a mutual friend that we have. I was actually at a Ronnie Smith and Susanna Smith training seminar at their farm in Oklahoma and our friend Wade Bird, an attorney at Namarillo, was telling me about this guy that I need on. As soon as he started telling me, I was like he's got so much things to talk about I really won't know where to begin, so we're just going to begin. Mr Adrian Jackson, please introduce yourself and give us a little intro of what you do and your background, please.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you so much, Ken, for having me on Again. I'm Adrian Jackson. I'm actually originally from Lake Charles, Louisiana, born and bred, and I came up to the Texas Panhandle originally back in 1992 to play college basketball at Clarendon College. I actually met my wife there and got married the day after I graduated, so I was only 19 years old. My wife and I went to Oklahoma Panhandle State where I finished my basketball career at. We both earned degrees at Oklahoma Panhandle State in Goodwill, Oklahoma. It's also also where I got into the Bird Dogs. So in Goodwill, Oklahoma, and right when we graduated, my wife and I got hired on by Cal Farley's Boards Ranch. Right when we graduated, my wife and I got hired on by Cal Farley's Boys Ranch and we've been here since January of 1997, so we're approaching nearly 29 years.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, I had no idea you'd been there that long.
Speaker 2:He didn't tell me that that's crazy. Well, I may drop all kinds of nuggets as we talk.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, so let's talk about that, let's talk about the boys' ranch. What all do you do there?
Speaker 2:So I'm currently vice president of home life. I oversee all the campus homes and direct care staff, house parents, both singles and couples, and the care of the kids which we currently have 116 kids. We are licensed for 430 plus kids, but we would like to get to an optimum number of about 270, 75 kids or so. So that's what I do oversee all the day-to-day operations of home life. Youth activities, which include recreation and experiential learning, which is the challenge course, and then intervention.
Speaker 1:Okay, now the students that are there, the kids that are there. Is it year-round or is it seasonal? How does that work?
Speaker 2:Yes, year-round. They live with us, but we're not their manager conservator. Their parents are still their manager conservator. So we're a parent place. Kids are not in state custody here. They're still in custody of their parents and we're free. And what's unique about us is that we have independent school districts right there in the middle of our campus. So we're a general residential operation which is licensed by the state of Texas and overseen and regulated by the state of Texas. We do not take state money. We're all privately funded, which our funding started way back with our founder, cal Farley. He's built a nice foundation and so we're privately funded. And then our founder had the foresight to put a public school right smack dead in the middle of our campus for our kids and staff kids. It's a special purpose school so our kids get to enjoy all the UIL sports and have all the things that a regular school has. So it's not a charter school. It actually is a public school that's funded by Cal Farley. It is not a tax basing school.
Speaker 1:Now, mr Jackson, how? How do the kids end up there? What, what, what evolves, that gets that, what lands in there? I guess for lack of better words.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very common question and there's no easy answer. So the best answer is if you can think of a scenario that would get a kid at Boards Ranch. We got some kids to match that scenario, you know. So, whatever somebody can drum up, we got a scenario for that. So whether, but it all comes from, there's some stress in the home, you know whether it's stress that financially or emotionally, physically, whatever stress is in the home, you know it may lead to a youth being placed with us.
Speaker 2:We can take from 5 to 16 years old. We've taken actually some 17, 17 and a half year olds on case by case basis. We can actually raise a kid. We've taken actually some 17, 17 and a half year olds on case by case basis. We can actually raise a kid. We want a few facilities that can raise a kid. We could take a five year old, take them all the way to graduation. So we're very large. We actually work in cattle ranch also, which is about 11,000 acres. Yes, I do get to run some dogs on that place, some of the prime bird dog country, bird country in the Texas panhandle right, smack dab, and an old Tascosa on the Canadian River bottom. So very amazed, but we got kids from all over the United States. We just don't take them from Texas.
Speaker 1:So, adrian, you don't know much of my background, but I was a county attorney in Kentucky and part of my job in that role was to I dealt with placement of kids and unsafe homes and stuff like that. I'm asking this I actually have a purpose to ramble it on, but is the goal to get the child back in the home or is know that's what we did in the state of Kentucky? Is that the same process there?
Speaker 2:Well, you're going to appreciate a couple of things. First, I'm going to answer your question. So, both of those things Right. So if the family we do family work, so if the family can make the necessary adjustments, growth and where they can able to take care of their kid, we do support reunification, right. The second thing is if, even if they can and the kid chooses, hey, I want to stay here and graduate, and they can, they can graduate. And if you come to Cal Farley for any length of time, our alumni support services in Amarillo still help you. Our alumni support services in Amarillo still help you. So we have apartments in Amarillo that young adults can go live there, go to school, go to work. We have a whole system to continue, to raise, to support young adults. And even if you are an adult that fell on the hard times, our alumni support. An adult that fell on the hard times, our alumni support. We have a whole division of case managers that support our alumni. Even if you were here for one day to you were here for 10 years, we still want to support you. So we're built this way.
Speaker 2:The other thing you would appreciate we have a new initiative that started between two bird dog guys, right. So me being one and the other one being a district county judge in Kansas who's a bird dog guy, worked his dogs. He connected us with some county attorneys in Seward County and now they are some kids. That's in their system. There's good kids. They got some charges on them. They're really good kids. So we made our second trip up there reviewing files, meeting with families and meeting with kids, and I've now placed several of those kids into our system. We call it the Juvenile Justice Collaborative Program. That is brand new. And now other county attorneys have been reaching out and joining in and it's been an amazing process. So I know you probably appreciate that, being your former job or, in Kentucky, being a county attorney, we would have been reaching out to you, by the way.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, you make me think the only resource. I was in southeast Kentucky, Appalachia, you know, and we're somewhat of a poor area where I'm from. But the only resource we really had at that time, Adrian, is there was a boot camp over in Brathen County in Jackson, Kentucky, and the kids could go there and, believe it or not, I saw a lot of positive results from that. But anyway, this thing is amazing. So how many people adults and youth are you guys assisting at one time under your umbrella? Because you do a lot of stuff? Hello, this is Kenneth Witt with Gun Dog Nation.
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Speaker 2:Man. So between everything, I think the last, between the family preservation, assisting people with summer camps, serving youth, here on, I think it's right around 1500 or so and the number is growing. Our CEO want us to continue to be out in the community and supporting the surrounding Amarillo, Texas, Panhandle, Oklahoma, Panhandle, you know Western New Mexico in that reach and so that's kind of been part of the group that's been on the outreach of those things. So you know that number is growing every day and I can't remember the exact number of calls we get annually but it's right around 25,000, 30,000 calls for just people just needing somebody to talk to, needing some resources, want to make referrals, and the whole gamut. So yeah, that's kind of what we do.
Speaker 2:It's still surprising that a lot of people doesn't, even in the Amarillo area that doesn't really know what we do. So if you're ever interested, if you've got any listeners that are ever interested, hey, set up a tour, Come see the campus, Check our website. We've got some social media stuff. I'm going to drop another nugget on you so I tell you I'm going to keep doing this all day long.
Speaker 1:What is that website? Feel free to do that All you want. What is that website? All you want? What is that website? Calfarleyorg Okay.
Speaker 2:Calfarleyorg C-A-L-F-A-R-L-E-Y dot O-R-G. So we're one of the few places in the United States that have our own airspace, so up to 35,000 feet. So we have at-risk kids making 12 to 16-foot rockets out of carbon fiber, making their own motors, making their own electronics, putting the cameras in them and making their own rocket fuel.
Speaker 1:That is something else.
Speaker 2:So come see that.
Speaker 1:I've got to come up there, adrian. I mean that's unbelievable definitely come see that uh, and your wife works there too.
Speaker 2:Yes, my wife is a casework supervisor. Um, again, we start off as house parents. 22 years old, um, you know, hadn't even got our ears wet, and um, she, we, she's still here, but she's a caseworker. Um, graduated, hadn't even got our ears wet and she's still here, but she's a caseworker. Graduated from OPSU, got her master's from West Texas A&M and been doing that ever since. So, yes, sir.
Speaker 1:You all took roots in the panhandle, for sure, at West Texas A&M.
Speaker 2:I know it right, I know it. That was not the plan. I can tell you that much. That was not the plan. I can tell you that much. That was not the plan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely a whole lot drier in Louisiana, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was a fisherman before. I was a hunter, you know.
Speaker 1:so yeah, I'm in West Texas too. Ain't much water here, is there? Yeah, not at all, right? Well, I've got to ask you this, Adrian, Right? Well, I've got to ask you this, Adrian.
Speaker 2:I know you play basketball at Oklahoma, but I've been told that you're a member of a certain Hall of Fame basketball player. Yes, sir, we'll be inducted to OPSU Basketball Hall of Fame Athletic Hall of Fame for basketball on September 20th. Yeah, so, man, I'm just still a surreal moment.
Speaker 1:Congratulations.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, thank you. So's still a surreal moment. Congratulations. Yeah well, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:You look like you built like a linebacker. I'd hate to play basketball against you.
Speaker 2:I know right. I probably, if I'd have played football, I'd have been in the NFL, you know. How tall are you, I'm only six foot so I play small forward. I'm only six foot so I play small forward. But most people thought I was a lot taller because of how high I can jump and different stuff like that. So people are surprised when I say hey, I'm only six foot. I've been six foot since the eighth grade.
Speaker 1:I've been 5'11 since the eighth grade. I never grew another inch.
Speaker 2:I'm a war-sized plushie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought I was going to be taller. I never got the 6 mark In the Army. I was 5'11 and 3 quarter. You're almost there, I'm not going to be on the switch, but anyway. So, Adrian, there's so much stuff we could talk about, but there's something that you got a lot of accomplishments. We haven't touched but a small part of it so far. But let's talk a little bit about your national championships in the dog world okay, yeah, um, pretty proud of those.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, when I decided that I was going to compete, I had one goal, and actually the goal was I thought it was going to take over several periods, years, so it never was intended to all happen together. So one goal was I wanted to handle a champion. Second goal was I wanted to handle a champion. Second goal was I wanted to train a champion. And the third goal is I wanted to breed and raise a champion. And the worst thing that ever can happen is all three of those things happened with my first competitive dog and so I didn't have these really lofty goals of winning, you know, a national champion one. I just kind of I just wanted to have a. You know, have that feeling of posing a dog on the podium in each of those categories Pose a dog that I bred, pose a dog that I trained and pose a dog that I handled. When I had those goals I wasn't good at any of that. So the dog that did it for me was actually, when I was at my least, understanding of bird dogs Only. I knew what to do is just work hard and run them hard. My knowledge was very low about them. I didn't know nothing about heart. My knowledge was very low about them. I didn't know nothing about field trolling. What I did have is I had access to some older, wiser people that was providing some correction to me and hence is why I now that I'm the older, wiser guy is why I try to give as much knowledge to younger folks.
Speaker 2:But Poker Straight Flash was that dog. He was tough, he was gritty and he was a bird dog. He was a dog that amazed me. Even in workouts, like man, you're talking about. Something that really drives your purpose is watching a dog just go out and do his thing almost on his own and I did everything to mess him up and he just flat out refused. He was so resilient and he was a guide dog. He wasn't just a dog that spent his day waiting on being a manicured field trial dog. You know. He had to go out and had, he had a job and he he got it all over. You know West Texas and Central Texas, you know everywhere, in the roughest stuff you can imagine. In fact, I believe that I got some guide dogs, some guide jobs, just because people wanted to hunt it over flash, you know and I had.
Speaker 2:I had other great, great dogs but he was a setter in pointer world and uh, and there wasn't many setters running in the nbha and the abha at that time, especially when the dog had to be stabbed the wing and shot and retrieve one bird on course, which was hard to get any kind of dog to look good during that time. So Flash was a shooting dog during that stage, not now to where they had to be just steady wing of shot. He had to be steady wing of shot and get a retrieve at any moment and look good all the way through. Tap his head. He was a natural retriever. Never was force broke, you know, just really tough, but he was a wild retriever. Never was force broke, you know, just really tough, but he was a wild. He manufactured wild birds. He manufactured them.
Speaker 2:And there's there's people that have hunted behind flash. If you hunted behind flash, you had a flash story, you had a flash story. He did something every time, down from being eyeball to eyeball with wild a cubby, a wild quail over an asper mount and we come up on him and he's staring. He's probably inches away looking at a covey of quail on a low limb of a mesquite bush with Richard Webb God rest his soul and Richard talked about that for years, years. He talked, he couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2:You know Brent Bodaker, flash put on a show running in those thickets up in Paducah and we got done and eating at the McDonald's and Children's. He says man, I ain't never seen a dog with a display of running and pointing and finding wild birds like I just seen. And you know Bill Anderson, that you know he would say the trial ain't over till O-Flash won, ran and he answered it right and despite me not knowing nothing, that dog was incredible and he was just as easygoing in the kennel. You know, just a really great dog. He's the only dog that has his picture and pedigree on my wall, despite my wife don't want any of that stuff up on the wall. I've been able to. You know that dog. You know some of his checks that he won. You know help my family. You know yeah, and so yeah.
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Speaker 1:I just want to say this I'm going to add this to this commercial because I know the owners of this company. They've hunted on my ranch. Joseph, he and I actually met in Colorado on a hunting trip. That was a real adventure. They are true hunters. They've hunted at the ranch, you know, and I've hunted with them. And Anna, she is just amazing. She is the one that came up with this idea. They were both on Shark Tank. They are amazing people, so I love seeing people like this have a business, and I just had to say that, in addition to the commercial, because I really believe in the product and I believe in the people that made the product. Be sure and go to Foliciouscom or go to Walmart or HEB and try their product. I promise you you will like it. Adrian, what do you feel like? You know we all have our dog in our mind. That's the best dog we ever owned or ever run. What made that dog special to you over any other dog that you'd ever fooled with or worked with?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I think? Because I was ate up with bird dogs. Right, I didn't have, I was a blank slate. You know, I was hunting and had some short hairs and loved shooting quail and little by little the harvesting of the game bird started phasing out of me and I just kind of wanted to see a dog just just find birds. And I didn't, I didn't care about carrying the gun and I didn't care about any of that. That started kind of phasing out.
Speaker 2:And I also then was fascinated by a dog that was over the hill broke. That dog was gone and you know this was pre-tracking collar time and we had to go find that sucker and he was standing right. It would take 30, 40 minutes. You would go where you last seen him and then you'd find him buried up in a plump thicket. And even though that was so stressful and frustrating at times when you found that dog standing after, you've been looking for him half the day. Man, that just lit a fire under you and so hence you get to field trawling. That's how you kind of get to field trawling. You get to wanting to see those kind of performances, you know, all the time.
Speaker 2:But I think for me, it was really about like I started with this, this little fat puppy, and developing a young dog and taking them through a training process, whether good, bad or or ugly, we did it and then over here you got this finished product that is is, is refined and and tuned up, and then what you did is you kind of kept trying to make it perfect, right.
Speaker 2:You just, you know, just kept putting that finishing on a dog, and so that's what I kind of, uh, that's what I like today, right? So that part even though the field trial part is kind of went through my system, the guiding part kind of went through my system and got all out. I've never got past watching a dog go from being just a big old prospect with nothing, knowing nothing just what his parents and God gave him, to being able to maintain independence all the way to being a Finnish hunting partner. So that's kind of where I am today. I can tell you this much as I've gotten older I don't like nearly as much dogs as I liked years ago. I kind of like them to come look for me now, versus me going to look for them, but I still have a great admiration for one. That will, you know, go to the end of the county and back, you know, to find a covey of birds.
Speaker 1:Now has all your dogs that you've run been setters or pointers? I know you had a setter.
Speaker 2:So Flash was a two-time regional champion. He won the Central Regional Championship twice and won Dog of the Year. My first national champion was a pointer called Nemaha Butterfly. She was raised, bred and trained by Dr Pat McIntyre and he didn't fit her bill. She was sold to the hunting string. She was young so she was on a guy truck for a little bit.
Speaker 2:I kept seeing this dog do some really nice stuff. We just got in sync. I moved her to the field trial string. She won the South Regional Championship and came back that same year and won the ABHA national championship. She was the fourth dog in the callback yeah, six dog in the callback and and she, she in the callback. So she ran a one hour series. She came back for the second hour and just put on a clinic and partly because of you know that dog, she was not like Flash. She was a dog that was going to be in sync with her handler. She was going to do what I asked her to do. She was going to run as big as I wanted her to go. I can coach her around the field. She was very biddable, she was broke. She was a good wild bird dog and we helped each other around that course and she had her second hour was a phenomenal run. The first dogs that went ahead of her had great runs, and so what I like about what Nemaha Butterfly did in that national championship American Bird Hunter National Championship was that she beat five great dogs in the second series, and so, hey, that was a good one. The next dog was one a setter, poker Straight Jet Star.
Speaker 2:I bought him as an 11-month-old Now that I'm starting to kind of know some things on these other dogs. Right, I bought him as a big 11-month-old from Bob Barker and he was out of that Barker's Blue Jet Incorporated Misty Star Cross. That was all over the place. They were all winning. He had some older siblings that were champions and they said he ran too big. So Sammy Davidson and I took him out just north of Bars Ranch, almost to Channing, cut him loose in that big old country and he filled it up but he mined. He handled Like he went with me. He ran big but he mined, and so he was a really, really solid bird dog but he got real big. He was a big dog, 65 pounds, and when we ran our bigger trials it was a little warm, so actually I protected that dog. I didn't just run him in a bunch of trials. He never ran as a derby. I broke him, I got it with him. Wade Bird had him and I had him out on his place over there east of Channing. He actually found a pheasant in the middle of nowhere. That's how good a wild bird dog he was. I ran him in a few 30-minute stakes and just to get him qualified but get him used. I kind of was really patient with his development. He was like the last dog to qualify in points to the inaugural running of the American Bird Hunter Open Invitational Championship. He had a great, strong first series and he came back and had a better second series. I like doing his endurance stakes where you run an hour two days in a row, and he won the Open Invitational Championship.
Speaker 2:The next dog was Richfield Turbo. He was bred by Gary Keel. He was over in Rhode Island with Richard Gianni, one of my good friends, and he was just too much dog for the East. He was a double-bred fiddling Rocky Boy dog just what I like. I like them double-bred Rocky Boy dogs.
Speaker 2:He was a tough. He's probably the toughest, strongest dog I've ever owned and it took me a little while to get control of him. He really filled up the country. He was a lot of dog. He was actually kind of too much dog for walking stakes. When he was a lot of dog, he was actually kind of too much dog for walking stakes.
Speaker 2:When I was running with my buddies, virgil and all those guys in horseback, they just hated him because they said, man, that dog run way too big. We don't know how you walk behind that dog and I would say one step at a time. But Richfield Turbo came back, won runner-up in the Central Regional Championship and then he snagged runner-up in the national championship that same year. That was actually my last trial, uh, officially as a pro handler. Uh, when I ran richfield turbo I knew it was coming to an end. Um, I didn't like being on the road and by then I'd been up and down the road for 10, 12 years and my job was getting bigger and uh was going to have to start making some concessions on what my next stage of the dogs was. And it was a good going out ceremony when Turbo got runner up national championship.
Speaker 1:Now, what year was that then, Adrian?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I had to go look at the plaques. It's been. It's been a little longer. I would say 2015, 2016,. Maybe I'd have to look at some plaques.
Speaker 1:I know a dog man. I guarantee you still got dogs in the kennel right.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh yeah, I got some nice ones too. Yeah, go to that Poker Straight Kennel site on Facebook. You'll have your mouth watered.
Speaker 1:I accidentally wrote that down. You know, I'm aware of your kennel, but I didn't realize it was you People tell me that all the time. When you said that, I thought you was talking about another kennel, because I'm very familiar with that. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's on social media, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, in fact, I was one of the first ones to start putting pictures and videos on Facebook. If you go all the way back, you can go back 2011, 2010. And the reason I did that is I got a real job and so I got customers calling and wanting to know how their dog is doing. And I'm working all day and then I'm hustling out to the kennel in the evening and I started like I tried to like send pictures and videos and by text and you know, back then you know it wasn't very good at that, you know, and so I started that poker straight kennel site, which is just my client. That's how they see their dogs, right, and so I started that and all the phone calls, text to stop they go to their site. I post videos after our pictures after I work the dogs and I try to be fairly consistent with it and that's how my clients and customers see their dog. And actually you can go back and see a dog that I started with a check card and you can see that same dog with me flushing birds, steady on birds, all the way through. My clients really like that.
Speaker 2:I've actually now. I mean, if a guy wants to see his dog. I'll FaceTime him while I'm working on a dog. I think I owe that to the client for them to see their dog. One is they want to know their dog's alive. One is they want to know their dog's progressing through training. I'll set up a series of iPhones so I can get good content for their dogs. That PokerStrike Kennel site is actually. If you put a dog with me, that's how you're going to view your dog. It's easier for me to upload a video pictures to it. Awesome, yeah, so that's kind of I go through the effort of snapping pictures and videos for my clients If you put a dog with me. I believe I owe you that.
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Speaker 2:You know I'm terrible at that, so I'd rather keep them all right, because this is why I say this. If I had to give you a list of my best dogs right and they all will be probably at the time where I didn't know much, like I didn't have all these standards and all these set of criterias Jack, storm and Lady. One of my first English pointers out of Houses, rain Cloud, was probably one of my best dogs I've ever owned. She actually was the mother of my poker straight Jack Pot, which was one of my first derby of the year. She's was the mother of my poker straight Jack Pot, which was one of my first derby of the year. She's also the mother of Phantom's Last Diamond, who ran at the national championship at Ames five times. He was a five-time All-Ace champion. That dog couldn't be beat Today. You know the way she was as a puppy. I would have probably called her today Wow and Flash. I remember Virgin Moore culled her today and Flash. I remember Virgin Moore and Terrell Cook laughing at me when he was three, four months old because he pointed with his tail like that. And now he's a two-time champion in the Texas Field Trial Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2:So you know, sometimes we can let having all these standards and expectations and all this stuff get in the way of a dog's development, a young dog's development. And they do get in my way today. You know they do get in my way today because I'm trying to sort through dogs way too fast. Back in the day I didn't have that. Where I was sorting through dogs that fast, I was immersed into the whole total dog program Plus. My job was not as important, my job at Cal Farley's wasn't as important. So I do weed through dogs faster because but I can tell you this much, if you give us some patience and time and just let a dog develop, you're probably going to end up with a better dog.
Speaker 2:Because what I would look for now is a dog that's got a lot of style, that's got a lot of stamina, that's kind of gritty. I like one that's half crazy. I like one back then that was a little crazy. I like them now that's a little crazy. But there is so much that can happen from three months to six months, six months to 10 months and definitely after the year, after they're a year old.
Speaker 2:That sometimes even how I am today, I don't wait, I don't wait, and so I would definitely say if a dog has to show some intelligence, you know that's different than the rest of the other young dogs that you have in a group. One of the things that guys like me and other trainers and significant bigger breeders we get to put a young dog against other young dogs. Hopefully when you pick the best one out of the group it's a standout individual, but hopefully your group is a standout group, right so? But yeah, it's really hard for me to qualify that statement today because when I look back and do my count, none of that stuff was true. Look back and do my count None of that stuff was true.
Speaker 1:Right, it's hitting home with me what you're saying, because just in the last few months I had a dog that I was about ready to call, and now I'm seeing brilliance and patience ain't a gift that I have. You're exactly right If you'll sit and just work it out, wait it out, sometimes it's worth it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%. So it's really hard for me to tell you, yeah, a dog that does this, this, this, that and another, that's the one, because if I gave you my list, none of them was in that group. Right, my list. I had one that was a lady used to flag when she was six months old. There's no way today I was going to keep a dog that flagged, but she flagged it. I just didn't know any better. Like, right, I didn't have nothing that says, hey, a dog that flags is undesirable. I didn't have any of that. She was my dog and I was going to work her through it, right, and she didn't flag as a broke dog, but she did as as a young dog she did flag, and so today I wouldn't even have spent two minutes with that yes, yeah, yeah, we, it's we.
Speaker 1:It's something about training dogs at nadir and g. You, you continue to learn.
Speaker 2:You never you'll go to the grave still learning how to be better yeah, yeah and I tell, and I tell people debunk your own theory so you can come up with all these ideas, right, but immediately work on debunking that, right, because what it's going to do is it's going to prevent you from having a dog. That if you debunk that theory, that may be the dog that puts you on the map, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I need to take your advice. I I the timing you to saying this is perfect for me, just my situation right now. So I, yeah, yeah I like this um one things too that really interests me about you, that I found out from our mutual friend Mr Wade Byrd you partook in a bestselling book on the New York Times bestseller list. Tell us about that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so I ended up over COVID it's when the podcast people, all that came out right and so at some point I started this guy this was dropping like little nuggets on on social media and I would. For some reason it was short enough to where I would watch his videos and it was kind of inspiring. And I'm not, you know, doing COVID we were all kind of searching for some connections, you know, and this, that and the other. During COVID we were all kind of searching for some connections, you know, and this, that and the other. We were so isolated. So I started kind of following Chip Baker and then, after COVID, it was starting to be resolved and everything kind of started going to normal. He was having a book signing in Amarillo and I was reading the comments when he posted that on Facebook and I think I might have wrote in there man, I wish I could go meet you, but I had some work obligations or training obligations and I noticed that everybody that was commenting was my good friends. So I texted my text group buddies, you know, and so I asked them, I said how y'all know Chip Baker and they said, man, we went to school with him at WT, so that kind of forwarded our relationship and so I invited, I went to the we needed a baccalaureate speaker and I invited Chip Baker to become the Bo board's best baccalaureate speaker and, uh, he came and did an amazing job and they, they, the chapel's program, asked me to take him back to the airport and we had went out to eat and met some of the guys that we had mutual friends with and we just had a really amazing conversations about impacting people's lives. You know, and um, so that was Saturday.
Speaker 2:I go to the kennel at about five, 30, five, six o'clock. Between five, 30 and six o'clock I drive out to the kennel in the morning and I did my, my normal stuff. I do in the in the morning, morning and I did my normal stuff I do in the morning and I'm leaving the kennel in about 7, 7.05 and I get a text from him when I get home that says, hey, would you be interested in being part of volume eight of the impact influence, influence on leadership. And I think at some point I mentioned, hey, I've been working on my own book and it's not been an easy task and been out of focus. And he had said, hey, this might help you in your own, writing your own book. You just have to write a chapter on leadership.
Speaker 2:And so this is right smack dead in the middle of dogs coming in. Budget is due. We're transitioning from our school schedule to our summer schedule. It's a busy time and I told my wife man, I like to do it, but I'm too busy, I don't have time to do this. I'm not good at it. Anyway, I got dogs coming in, I got budget needs to be done, I got my attention like my schedule now is tight, and my wife says, hey, you need to do it, and I was giving her every reason why I can't do it and she finally said, hey, you need to do it. By that evening I text Chip back and I says, okay, I'll do it, I'll write the chapter.
Speaker 2:And it was going terrible and I had seven days to write that chapter, by the way, right, so it's going terrible. By Wednesday I decided they're not going to take my chapter. I'm going to write this chapter for the people that I'm writing about, so my parents, some mentors that helped me along the way in child care and develop my leadership skills. I'm going to write this chapter for them. What I thought was going to happen is they were going to reject my chapter for being terrible and I was going to send the white pages to my mom. My dad had passed and I was going to give the white page to each of the people I wrote about and that was going to be my gift to them that at least I considered writing. My chapter made it into the book and my chapter made it into the book and then the Amazon bestseller run, the podcast and all that stuff started and so I went from volume A to leadership to volume nine on love and I wrote a really nice chapter on love. And then I came back with Legacy.
Speaker 2:Now in Legacy, which is a yellow book, I actually wrote about the bird dog community, Things I learned from Jim Nugent, my mentor. I thank the bird dog community for helping my family by providing a means for me to feed my family while I was growing in my experience and my and my skill set here at Cal Farley. Growing in my experience and my skill set here at Cal Farley, I wrote about two of my clients. That was my first clients that supported me. Brad Bates of Midland, texas was one of my original clients and Richard Webb, who passed away before I can give him a book. In Houston, texas, they were my clients for 28 years and so I paid homage to them.
Speaker 2:I talked about my good friends Virgil Moore and Matt Cochran, how we're the statesmen now for passing on keeping this thing going in the Texas panhandle, and so I paid homage to our role as as the the you know, the older state guys Now there used to be. I was one of the youngest guys that we have a responsibility to continue the bird dog legacy in the Texas Oklahoma panhandle, and so I, and so I thanked all my communities my Cal Farley's community, my Bird Dog community and my family unit. So, you know, what I had the opportunity to do was publicly thank people. You don't get opportunities to do that much. Where you get to thank somebody for impacting you, yeah, you don't get to do that publicly often, and I could have wrote about all kinds of stuff, but what I chose to do was, you know, thanking people for helping me be who I am today.
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Speaker 2:Now, right, I am, I am, so it's my first own body work. It's called a Purpose Driven Youth Care Worker. So it's about, like you know this, this is some hard work, working with working with kids and it's about like how you keep your purpose high and driven and stand focused. And and it's centered around things along the way commitments I had to make along the way to get to where I'm at as a child care worker, not as a vice president, as a child care professional and so I didn't do these things in consciousness, they're in hindsight. So the idea is, let me give back to somebody starting this about. Here's a guide for commitments that you might need to consider in your life as you. You know your trajectory as a childcare professional. So that's it's called keeping your purpose high, managing through frustrations and changes and just making those, those commitments. And then there's some shifts in thinking that had happened with me.
Speaker 2:That I I wrote in the book, so hopefully, hopefully that it'll be released in September, october. I've completed the final draft. My wife is working on the cover with the publisher Shout out to Woodworks in Houston and which is the publisher for Impact Influence series with Chip Baker, and hopefully that thing will drop. And then the project I've been working on forever is a lot more complex and is actually how working with traumatized kids that experience trauma and working with the survival brain of a bird dog, how the techniques intersect. If you don't mind, I'll tell you a quick story. When people started sending dogs to me, they were sending dogs that were already messed up. They'd already been to a trainer, they've been up north, they came back with problems and so I got a bunch of last chance. I was like last chance university, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's the hardest part, right as a trainer.
Speaker 2:I didn't have no blank slates. They all came with some kind of issue like from major to minor, I would say from major, minimum to major, you know, serious. So it wasn't nothing ever easy to fix. But I had this call and this gentleman said I got this setter, I raised her you know, she's been every trainer in the Midwest and he had kind of heard about me. And he says, hey, this is a long shot, just give her a chance. And if it doesn't work out, I definitely understand. So he, I get this little setter and she's, she's birdie. Like I'm starting my check card work and and everything is, um, looking good, you know, like the early work is going good. And then kenan went, it went, it went to pieces. It went to pieces so fast and and so I called him and says, sir, I gave you my best, go, I'm sorry. He says hey, hey, no problem, I'll come pick her up. And I felt really bad.
Speaker 2:The next day I go out there to the kennel. She's bouncing at the gate and she was flattening out, laying down and just screaming bloody murder, like I'm not even doing nothing Right. So I go out to the kennel, I see her bouncing at the gate and I worked all the dogs I needed to work and I said, no, let me just get her out. And she did that. Like she came out and she just flattened out and screamed and I just ignored her like I just like ignored her and eventually that same within minutes she got back on off of her feet. So I kind of she's behind me and she's kind of resisting on the check card and I just kind of kept walking and then I felt slack in the check card and she got in front of me so I picked her up, I carried her back to her kennel. I put her up Next day. I did that and she flattened out, but it was significantly shorter, and then next thing you know, she's out in front of me. We went up and down my driveway and I carried her back to the kennel. We did that about three days. In two weeks I had a woe broke. At the end of the month I had her standing on her birds.
Speaker 2:So that was the experience I'm having with this dog and I'm learning about conditional responses at work, where a young person will have this response and the adults around them would have this pattern of responding back and then it will create this response from the child to get that reaction from adults right, this reinforces it, right? Yeah, so they'll. And then they'll take that to another environment so they'll learn that at home. They'll take it to school. So they'll have this behavioral response and then the adults will have a similar response to the parent and eventually what happens is that behavioral response in a child will create a very similar pattern response from home to school, where they either just kind of let that child be or, whatever the case may be, so that dog. So I'm going back and thought that's what was happening with me when that dog did that. It had learned that if it has that behavior, the trainer put the dog up or let her be, and because she already had quit her without knowing I actually got her through that hump Like we pushed through the hump. She had no problem. She just learned that if I act this way, then I get to do what I want to do, right, and so that's how.
Speaker 2:So what started happening, ken, is I had several moments where one of the two things fed the other career. So I had where that fed my bird dog career, and then I had things that Jim Nugent taught me that fed my child care career and one of those things was he was talking about. You know, in your quest to teach a dog something, be aware, be mindful of what else you might teach them. So while you're trying to teach them, woe, you can't teach them to fear you. While you're teaching them fear, you can't teach them to run away from you. You've got to be really mindful of what else. So you think about applying that to working with kids. While you're trying to teach them respect, you can't teach them fear. You know, when you try to teach them a skill set, you can't teach them that adults are not on their side. So that philosophy of Jim Nugent migrated to child care so fast and has been one of the reasons that I've had some success working with at-risk youth man. That was a long answer.
Speaker 1:No, you know what I've actually had experience. You know we'll get into all of it. But, yeah, someone had noticed me working with some unruly kids and how I could handle them. And this other person said, well, you know, he's always working with dogs and that sounds like a bad analogy. Yeah, but, honestly, the psychology and I'm not a psychologist, you know but there's some of it that correlates, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, because you're dealing with the survival brain in both, right, and so it's actually got some very similar trauma work is very similar to the patterns and predictability experiences that you do to a dog.
Speaker 2:You got to give kids that have experienced trauma patterns of predictable rhythmic work, right, and so it's the same. Right, it's the same philosophically, philosophically, and it's the same as what it looks when you're teaching a dog something. You have to have a very defined routine and structure on what you do and it has to be sequential in nature, right, you can't go from A to D. You got to go A to B, toc to D, and it's the same as when you're working with kids and you have to make it very predictable and routine, and so that the same as when you work with kids, and you have to make it very predictable and routine, and so that's how I train today. I train very sequentially, I train with routines, I have goal settings, I'm methodical and I can accomplish the same things actually with a slower pace and the same time frame, if that makes any sense. So, as I matured, my pace is slower. My my time frames of completion is the same yeah, that's, I've dealt with that same with myself.
Speaker 1:You know, trying to be patient and methodical, you know I did something that I don't I actually got away from doing. I need to go back to it. I was training two pups of my own and, and uh, different there were different ages, but I would keep, I bought. I found it somehow online. I found this journal for dog training and I'd write down every day what I train them and then what their strengths and weaknesses were and, man, that just just reflecting back on that would help me think, oh, wow, they did do this and oh, I did do this and that's what helped, or I messed this up, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is normally I mess up more than I fix, but it was a great tool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now, Adrian, you've also, you judge field trials, correct? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, let's talk about that a little bit, oh man so you know there's everything.
Speaker 2:I do have some thought and philosophy behind it, and everybody that field trials breed dogs. They want to contribute to the community, right? And one of the things I thought about is, hey, I'm not going to contribute in the field trial world from the standpoint of I'm going to win a thousand championships like Sean Kinkler and George Tracy and those folks, right, that's I'm going to produce dogs and Farrah Miller, etc. And all those folks in all the different breeds they can. They're going to impact because they're going to, they're going to put out such amazing dogs that they're going to impact the field trial world. Yeah, I knew that wasn't going to be me.
Speaker 2:I knew I wasn't going to breed enough dogs that are so amazing that I was going to impact the field trial world, but what I can do is that I can sign up and judge and name some multiple champions, some champions, and judge frequently enough I think I might have judged close to 100 championships that, if I can put up the right dogs consistently and contribute to the field trial world as being a judge that is honest and fair, that I can impact the field trial world, and so that's my contribution to the field trial world, is that, hey, I'm going to be a fair and honest and knowledgeable judge, respectful, and hopefully the dogs that I name champion will impact the field trial world, and so that's my contribution to the field trial world, and so that's my contribution to the field trial world.
Speaker 2:I'll be judging the Brittany National Championship in Bloomfield, arkansas, right around Thanksgiving and I will be judging the Vesla National Championship in Ohio oh my gosh, I can't remember the exact date of that October the 21st through the 24th. And so, yeah, I judge all breeds championship, national championships.
Speaker 1:So how many different breeds have you judged, Adrian? I'm sorry. How many different breeds have you judged the?
Speaker 2:garden setters. I judge their national championship. I judge the all-age classic of the Rhymerunners. Have you judged the Garden Setters? I judged their national championship. I judged the All-Age Classic of the Rhymer Runners. Of course I hadn't judged the national championship in Ames. I judged the multiple pointer setter. American Field Championships A bunch from Grove Springs, Missouri to Nebraska. You know, you name it, I've probably been there. I just a Hill Creek amateur all age, this fall, last fall. So I did a lot of polar stuff. I just several of the Brittany national championships, both all Asian shooting dogs, both German short hair national championships, over all Asian shooting dogs.
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Speaker 2:No, you know, one of the things that I have done is, you know, I have a really good client. I don't mind mentioning his name, steve Morris. He sent some dogs to me to train. He retired. He was getting ready to send a dog to me to train. I say, steve, you're going to have to do that. Don't send a dog to me, let me coach you in training your own dog. Right, and he was the first. I sent him videos of me training. I said, hey, go, mimic this. And there was another gentleman that I met judging with in Washington. I've done the same thing with him. There's another gentleman just hit me up on Facebook watching my Facebook and he was he's in Connecticut, I believe, somewhere on the northeast in the New England area. And I did the same thing with him. I've coached him to train his own dog. I don't mind doing that. You know, I don't need another dog in training. I don't mind helping somebody train their own dog and I think that's really cool to me to help somebody train their own dog.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, a lot of people that's been on my podcast are guys like you that I consider expert trainers and they all help me. God love them. I don't know how they they probably get so tired of seeing my text. But you know, I'm not a pro trainer and I've fooled with dogs, adrian, since I was a kid. I mean literally been obsessed, but I'm just, you know, I'm not at that level Like I've always worked crazy hard hours, not that you've not, cause you've had two, but I've just, uh, anyway, now it's my passion. I won't take it all grand and the retriever, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, anyway. So, yes, I'm, I'm, I'm so glad I got your phone.
Speaker 2:Oh, give me you know if I can help, I will.
Speaker 1:I've got to ask you how did you meet Wade Bird?
Speaker 2:Members of the Bird Dog Club. But way back in the day there was kind of a hunting expedition at the Civic Center I can't remember the gentleman's name. They used to bring me in to do the pointing dog and they used to bring Wade in to do the retrievers Right and we just, for some reason, we just kind of hit it off. You know, wade is really inviting, like he's like, come hunting with me, let's go. I'm having a cookout and you know he's just an amazing guy. He's, he's, he's gave me some legal pointers before. He looks after everybody. If one of his friends are looking for a dog, wade is calling me. If I have a dog that I don't know wants to sell, I can call Wade and he'll know somebody looking. He's just a great guy, he's fun to talk to, he likes to socialize and, um man, he's one of my really good friends. You know, if you're having a hard day and he don't even know it, but he'll, he'll send some kind of inspiration message, you know and so yeah, adrian, it's, it's people.
Speaker 1:That's not in this world, in this dog community I should say not world, but in this community. You don't realize. You know, and like you said about Wade, that's exactly and you've known him way longer than I have. But I made him, and again, so invited, he's invited me to a hunt. I wanted to go on, so bad he was telling me about it back in the spring and now I realize I've got a conflict and I cannot go because I booked a grouse hunt up in Montana. But anyway, my point is I get to meet people like you, like Wade, ronnie Smith and all these people in this community that's so nice and supportive of each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2:Yes sir, yes sir, and we need to keep it that way. That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2:Yes sir, yes sir, and we need to keep it that way, that's right you know it needs to be really uncomfortable for somebody that's selfish in this community to stay in this community. We need to always be inviting to the people that wants to grow it and build a ecology where everybody fits in this bird dog community. Because we all got the same common common goal and you know I'm reaching the stage in life like yourself is that I'm all about, like I don't want to die with any knowledge, right, I don't want to, you know, vanish off into the nowhere. And I haven't given any everything out that have been given to me because none of that stuff originated with me and if I don't pass it on, I've done the community a disservice.
Speaker 1:I like that. You know, I had a really popular trainer in the retriever world here in Texas too. That wrote me best and he talked about it on this show. You know, about giving. He wanted to give back and he does. He practiced what he preaches and I love that. I mentor people even though I'm not the expert, but if I know a little something that might help, I try to tell them Well, I want to get up there and visit, yes, sir, and maybe when I'm driving up that because I'm going to be going up north and back from Midland to run, I drive through, and is it Maybe when I'm driving up that because I'm going to be going up north and back from Midland to Hunt?
Speaker 2:I drive through and is it pretty close to how far are you from Amarillo? Well, you come. If you, it depends on which way we are, north of Vega on 385. Most people come right by our gates and don't even know it. Between Vega and Delhart, going up into Colorado. That's how I go to yes, to Denver when I going up into Colorado.
Speaker 1:That's how I go to Denver when I go up into Colorado, Exactly yes.
Speaker 2:In fact the rest station right here, coming off the Canadian River, when I'm going out to my kennel here in a little bit I'm going to start seeing everybody watering their dogs at this rest station. Sometimes I pull in and just say hi. But here in a little bit it'll be almost every other day. There'll be somebody at their rest station with a pack of dogs and a dog trailer and atvs and everything on their way going going to montana.
Speaker 1:Um yeah, with a pack of dogs, you know so you know, last year I drove right through there to go to south dakota to take dogs and drop them off, come back. Then I went back up again to hunt, come back. And this year, yeah, yeah, I'll be. So I'll definitely. I want to come visit and again. Adrian, if you don't mind, please tell everybody how they can find the the website for the boys camp.
Speaker 2:Yes, so it's cal. So there's a bunch of boys ranches with that name, but we're cal farley boys ranch c-a-l-f-a-r-l-e-y, apostrophe s boys ranch. Our website is cal c-a-l-f-a-r-l-e-y dot org and, um, we've been around since 1939. Most people know us about our rodeo and uh, yeah, it's a you, you will. I can't explain it in a way that you're that you're going to expect what I tell you're going to see more than what I can explain to you.
Speaker 1:That makes any sense and if people want to contribute, is there ways that they can do that as well?
Speaker 2:Yes. So what is you can call? So you know, you can call our which I don't have the number, but it's on that website and you can talk to our development people, or there is a donation tab on that website, you know. But here's what I like to do, right? One is we are fiscally responsible and we have a mandate to be that way, and I like to encourage people to. You know, come see us, see what, if you want to donate one dollar, come see us and so you can feel good about that. One dollar, right, right, that is going to the welfare of young people. And so come see us researchers, come talk to people, and then I then decide is this something you want to support? Right. And so I encourage you to come see us of support right. And so I encourage you to come see us and then, even if it's 50 cent, research us and say, hey, what does this nonprofit do for kids? And if it doesn't inspire you, then I'll give you your donation back out of my own pocket.
Speaker 1:Well, that's too much. Well, y'all been in business 80 plus years. You're doing something right.
Speaker 2:Yes sir, yes sir.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's a lot.
Speaker 2:I believe in this passion, this mission vision. And you know, our founder was a visionary way, way beyond his years In fact. The things he put in place is is still ahead of other organizations at this time, right now, some years later, is still ahead.
Speaker 1:We'll have that link on our podcast. When the podcast is out on all these things, we have links on it We'll have that web address of yours there. Then when you get that book out, you holler at me.
Speaker 2:I will. I'll send you a copy. In fact, drop me your address. I'll send you one of the Impact Influence books. Right, I'll send you the yellow book.
Speaker 1:One of the things I'm going to do when I get off here is me, you and Wade's on a group text.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to save yours separate, because I'm sure we wore him out today, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't want to even hear, I don't want to even turn my phone on.
Speaker 1:So I'll leave Wade alone. Yeah Well, hey, this has been a real pleasure, it's everything. It's Wade. You know, I got to tell you Wade was singing your praises strong back when I first met him and he realized what I did. And then we were talking again the other day and I was like, oh my gosh Cause you know, I get so many ideas and I'm always driving and people and I was like I was like, oh gosh, wade, uh, we were coming back from Memphis, from the Delta, waterfowl ducks, unlimited convention, and he'd sit on the phone with me An hour and a half.
Speaker 1:Cause that half because we're both talkers, we're both lawyers, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was like, wait, you've got to tell me the guy that you, the judge, the national champion, the guy that's at the boys' ranks, what's his name? Give me all that again. You gave it to me and I let it slip my mind because I get so many podcast ideas. I keep a list on my phone, my notes, and it's a long list of people I want to get on and I wish I could do one every day. Yes sir, yes sir, but I'm so glad, I'm so glad I got you on here and I really appreciate you being accommodating for time and taking your time to be on here, my pleasure.
Speaker 1:All right, mr Jackson, I'm going to let you get back to your evening and I hope you have a great rest of the week. Yes, sir, if there's any way I can help promote you all at the ranch, or anything that you're doing, let me know.
Speaker 2:Definitely come out and if you need to spend a night, we have apartments. Just kind of hit me up and I'll make some arrangements. But I'd definitely like you and your viewers to see what we do out here at Cal Farley's. If they don't know already, I'd really like you to see that.
Speaker 1:That would be a good project too. Sometime I figure out how to make that work.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, Bring your dogs and let's do a demonstration.
Speaker 1:When I come through, I'm going to have a dog. Tyler, I'll have some dogs with me.
Speaker 2:All right, let's do it, let's do it All right.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much, sir. I appreciate everything.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
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