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Kyle Sanders and Dustin Jones - From Garage Lathe to National Shelves: The 737 Duck Calls Story
#51 A great duck call feels inevitable when you hear it ring true—and that’s exactly where our conversation with 737 Duck Calls begins. We bring on co-founders Dustin Jones and Kyle Sanders to trace their path from a garage lathe to national shelves, and why a simple promise—every call hand tuned, every time—built a devoted following. Dustin breaks down call anatomy in plain English (barrel, insert, reed, cork) and explains how tiny choices in tone board sanding and reed length shape the voice. We compare cast acrylic’s bright edge to hardwood’s softer finesse, and talk through finishes, humidity, and why a penetrating oil beats flashy clear coats in the blind. If you’ve ever wondered what “tuned by ear” really means, you’ll hear it straight from the person doing the work.
Dogs take center stage too. Kyle’s Master Hunter, Nash, shows what “hard-charging with an off switch” really looks like, and we get honest about training routes—American field-bred heat vs British balance, and when it pays to lean on pros like Castile Creek Kennels. We also pull back the curtain on migration realities: why north-central Oklahoma holds mallards in dry fields, how pressure shifted from states to the south, and how a six-in-one whistle fills species gaps when a hen call isn’t the answer. Expect practical insights on scouting, calling restraint, and building reliable systems.
We wrap with the business side—737’s steady growth, retail expansion into Bass Pro, Cabela’s, and Scheels, and a Seminole, Oklahoma headquarters that doubles as a community hub with a bar, cigars, and walls of Tom Martineau’s waterfowl photography. Two policies define their promise: a lifetime guarantee with free retunes and a 28-day in-home trial so you can practice without an audience. Ready to level up your lanyard and your dog work? Hit play, subscribe for weekly training and gear talks, and share your must-have call setup with us. Your feedback shapes future episodes and the next 737 release.
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SPEAKER_01:Hello, Ken. Good morning.
SPEAKER_02:Good morning. Appreciate you having us on. Thank you. All right. Now, I I've seen your all's booth at Delta Waterfowl, man. It was insane. You guys had to sell everything out that you that you had. Uh it was yet a good booth. I went over there and bothered Dustin one morning. Didn't know of Dustin yet. I was going to seek Kyle because Clark Kennington had told me to look you up if I was down there. But anyway, gentlemen, you guys have created just a really impressive duck call business. What got you started into that?
SPEAKER_01:Dustin, you want to take that question or do you want me to take that?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I can kind of take that question. Um duck calls, you know, just kind of started for me kind of in the youth. I you know learned how to blow a duck call pretty young and and uh was fortunate enough to have a grandfather that was uh pretty heavily involved in woodworking. So he sh he's taught me how to use a lathe. I was just a guy that rounded blanks for many years, uh no detail, just rounding blanks. Um and then kind of when I got into when I got into college, I I wanted to mess around with making duck calls more, and and um so I went down that road with him and he helped me do that along the way. And and you know, kind of early on in that was a mine and Kyle's relationship had started around that time as well. And so I'd kind of show him and bounce things off of him, and and then I just kind of let it go to the wayside a little bit as we got more and more in depth with the club, and you know, he was starting that, and so we kind of got you know heavily involved in that, and then I came up with a new design and was playing around with the garage, and I I think I'd I was going to dinner with Kyle and his wife and my wife one evening, and I took it up there, and everybody everybody really liked the shape, the concept, the sound, and and Kyle just kind of was like, Well, why don't we just do this? And he's always been the vision guy in our our business relationship and friendship, so um he just had a bigger vision and and we kind of took it from there.
SPEAKER_02:I know both you guys are Oklahoma boys. Are you Sooners or Cowboys?
SPEAKER_01:Neither one of us went to either school. Both of us went to East Central University in Ada. Okay. But I've grown up a Sooner fan, and I think Dustin's I'm a cowboy fan.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:All right, interested. So so Yeah, tell me, where did you all meet? Well, I have a younger brother that's Dustin's age. Dustin is younger than I am, and we we just started hunting with I was hunting with my brother, of course, and Dustin started coming out and hanging out and duck hunting with us also.
SPEAKER_02:Nice.
SPEAKER_01:And about how long that was probably about 13, 14 years ago, maybe, or further than that, Dustin?
SPEAKER_00:Probably like oh seven. Oh wow. Because when I'm when I went moved down there, I didn't have, you know, I didn't really know anybody, and Kyle's brother, you know, he knew the area and they have you know a lot of land and knew the area, so I just kind of tagged along with him and got to hunt while I was down in that area, and then that's how I met Kyle.
SPEAKER_02:So, and then y'all had some ideas together. When did that vision become reality?
SPEAKER_00:We we started the duck calls in December of 2015. That was when we ran our first, you know, quote unquote production run. That was not not me turning, you know, hand turning, you know, uh calls for random people here and there. Uh mainly friends shouldn't say random people, but December of of 2015 was when we did our first production run of duck calls. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And then uh where was that based out of at that time?
SPEAKER_00:That was would have been in Shawnee, which is about 20 minutes from here, about my garage. Okay. And my first house. Yeah. So that's kind of where it all started. You know, it's a great story um from a guy who that originally that you know when we had that when we outsourced and you know, he says that when we Kyle and I got our first order done by him, they they jokingly laugh saying, you know, that's the last time we'll see those guys. Well, now, you know, years later here we are with still a great relationship with him. So it's been a wild ride.
SPEAKER_02:And uh and now uh I've I've looked online at your new facility, man. It's really nice. So where is the new where is the headquarters now?
SPEAKER_00:So the headquarters is in Seminole, Oklahoma. Uh it's where I reside. So it's kind of we kind of decided to put it here, you know. I uh it's not that far from the original club, about 20 minutes, um, kind of right off I-40. And you know, I still hand tune every call that leaves this shop, so it's kind of important for it to be, you know, kind of close to me for a convenience matter. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:And then so now were there any other are are you and Kyle the only founders? Yes. Yes. Okay. And uh now you guys what all has your business evolved into? I know that you guys had some duck hunting properties and stuff like that. I mean, do you do has does 737 has other ventures than duck calls?
SPEAKER_01:No, not not really. Dustin and I. Just the duck call company, apparel, everything that comes with the duck call company, but no really other other uh avenues within that business.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. You know, uh now I I know Dustin's back duck calling background, Kyle, because I talked to him at least an hour at Delta Waterfowl one morning. But uh have you been doing this your whole life too? Is that or are you just are you the same way?
SPEAKER_01:No, not really. My my family we was is not really comprised of hunters. And I, for some reason, always wanted to go hunt, particularly for ducks, uh, but I never had anyone to take me until later in high school. And I just went with some friends and uh friends' dads. So that's really when I started hunting, and primarily duck hunting at that time. So I didn't I did not start young.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I'm kind of like you, Kyle. I my my dad didn't wasn't really a big hunter, he shot and stuff, and he might have squirrel hunting in Kentucky, but you know, I I had friends, and those friends got me hooked when I was young in the same way. But but Dustin, sounds like you've been doing it your whole life.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I mean, I had you know, my grandpa hunted and I'd go with him on the river, you know, when I was younger and stuff, but most of my hunting was done with a group, my group of friends through high school, right? When we got our driver's license and we would pawn hop and that kind of stuff, you know, that's kind of the meat of it.
SPEAKER_02:Guys, I'm gonna ask you to brag on yourself a little bit, but just be honest. What what what made 737 stand out? Because you guys are huge in the industry, you're so well known and respected. What what what's the secret sauce without revealing your trade secrets?
SPEAKER_01:Uh you know, I would say it's that we have defined roles, and the roles are what we are good at as individuals. So Dustin is a lot better with the duck call than I am, and he's an engineer by trait from college. So he designed these duck calls, like he said, in his garage on the lathe, and he still hand tunes every call. He's back in our shop designing new calls or making uh modifications on our current calls. That's what he's really good at. I am a little bit better on the marketing side, so that's been kind of my position on the marketing. Um and I I to me, I think that's been our our main reason that we've had some success is because we stay in those roles. And like you know, anything in life, you can have the very best product out there, but if you can't market it, you know, that that's a problem. But so you kind of have to have both um both avenues, and and that's worked uh okay for us.
SPEAKER_02:Now, guys, it's starting to unfold to me now. I I've talked at length to Dustin about his educational background and how many professional engineering licenses he has, which blew me away. But Kyle, you have to be a master because you guys, your marketing is is is really good. But it's not just marketing, right? Y'all have an excellent product. Uh I can't talk more in depth about it because I'm trying to learn how to call ducks myself. I need lessons, y'all, so we'll talk about that later. But yeah, so and and what got me into, and we'll talk about dogs because both of y'all have dogs. I know that we're gonna get into that. But I kind of got into duck hunting, y'all. I hunted early in life, but uh in East Kentucky and Appalachian Mountains, you know, we don't have ducks, flyways hardly. So I got into ducks through the dogs. I was buying real high-end labs, British labs mostly, and uh I started shed training anyway. It just evolved into um, you know, I thought, man, I've got these dogs that have all this these great attributes and talent, and I'm wasting it. I need to hunt them on more than sheds, and that's kind of how I got into waterfowl. So, and I upland hunt a little more than I do waterfowl, but I'm um I want to do more, and yeah, I I need I need your all's expertise. But so let's get into that. Kyle, I know that you you you own a lab. I'm gonna talk to us because I know his dog's history pretty good too. Tell me about your dog. Hello, this is Kenneth Whipp with Gun Dog Nation. Many people quickly become frustrated and confused when training the retriever. Cornerstone Gun Dog Academy's online courses eliminate all the guesswork by giving you a proven training system that will help you train a dog that anyone would be proud to have in their blind. Learn where to start, what to do next, and what to do when problems arise. Visit Cornerstone Gun Dog Academy.com to learn how you can train your retriever. I have used this method myself. I have been through it a couple times with different dogs. I refer back to it lots of times when I'm trying to get dogs freshen back up for hunt test season. I highly recommend them. I have actually been a subscribe member of Cornerstone Gun Dog Academy since 2016, and I would suggest anyone use it. I highly recommend it. They have an app that you can get to on your phone. You can do it from your phone, your laptop. You can't get any more convenient than that. I I've used it, it's proven and tried, and I know literally hundreds of people that have done the same thing that I've talked to. Visit Cornerstone Gun Dog Academy.com and learn how to train your own retriever.
SPEAKER_01:Well, my current dog is named Nash. He's about to turn five. Uh, but he's I've had a long string of black American field trial labs because that's just what I like the best. I like the hard charging. Uh people sometimes make fun of me because my dogs are so lean. But I want a dog that looks like a grayhound and that can just fly. Um fortunately, this dog, he he's sitting here between my legs right now. I don't know if you can see his head, but he he has an off switch as well. So he's a house pet. You know, my youngest daughter's nine, and she wrestles, lays all over him in the floor. That's the best thing about this dog. Um, but I just like dogs that will that will fly just very fast, very hard drive. You know, if if it's super cold, it's not gonna matter. They're not you're they're still they're still going. Uh so I don't know if that answers your question telling uh talking about him, but he's a master hunter. Um uh I use Castile Creek kennels uh north of Kansas City. They've done a wonderful job. Um but he's he's on. When he's on, he's on.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I I'm a I share the exact same sentiment. My I have two Americans and two British, but I I like it. I have to have an off-switch. But like back when I used to run hounds in the day in Kentucky, I when I dropped the tailgate, I want a dog to flip a switch and just go crazy hunting, but be manageable. So I understand that. And you know, uh those Castle Creek guys, Kyle, are I I went up there and spent three days, about a month and a half ago with Clark, learning how to be a better trainer myself, just shadowing him. And man, they have an impressive operation. Uh Lyle and Kyle, or Lyle and Clark, you know, have they're in the top of their game, and those guys are two of the top, they're the number one and number two SRS crown winners. And that SRS stuff is just training way beyond my capabilities. Uh but yeah, I agree. Now, uh Dustin, we talked about your you have a British lab. And you you and I carry our dog from the same kennel. Uh one of my dogs is S-OK, uh, Southern High Kennels. And and which is their reputation is a lot different than what Kyle's talked about, uh, American field trial stuff. But I've I won't know about your dog, but I've got a I've got a British lab two of them that will run through a brick wall. But have an off switch.
SPEAKER_00:What about you? Mine will run through a brick wall out there, yeah. But he doesn't like to come back very fast for some reason. A little cork that he has, you know. Um he's he's he is that dog that has an off switch, no doubt about it. Um good he's just a good general all-around meat dog. You put him out there, he'll he'll work. Um, but honestly, the last couple of seasons, he's he's set a lot of time on the sidelines because they're just he's nine now. Um, and we just have so so many good dogs that we're around. Kyle's dog Nash is is one of the best dogs that I've seen work. Uh and Kyle is a sucker for he loves a good chase. Um, and that dog is one of the best I've seen at running them down. So, but you know, the thing about um Zeus and and even Nash, uh, like I've told people before, um, when we were hunting the corn, that's a different animal. And so it usually takes a dog a season or two to get kind of comfortable in that.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:And so he he kind of found a little niche in there where he was comfortable, right? He's not gonna go get four or five hundred yard retrieves out there, but he's gonna you know go in and out and and do his job, which like Kyle and I have all seen it. We've seen some pretty impressive dogs get in that corn and just lose their mind, you know, depth perceptions off. It's it's a totally different animal. So, yeah, he's a good all-around meat dog, but it's probably he's coming to the end of his uh career for sure. Like I said, the last couple years he hasn't even really hunted that much.
SPEAKER_02:So, Dustin, have you been looking, have you been sniffing around for a replacement yet? You getting a pick?
SPEAKER_00:I have, and Kyle's been turning me, he's turned me on to a couple, and I I would love to have a dog very similar to Nash. Um I he out of Kyle's dogs that he's had, he's had a handful since I've known him. But you know, they all have that hard charging, just good, hard-working dogs, but his that off switch in Nash is is something I've not seen. And a dog that goes as hard as he does, right?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, he when he's hunting, it's a you know, my experience is that's hard to find. And and that's the holy grail to me is to find that balance. And Kyle, sounds like you've got that dog. Kyle, how did you how did you get acquainted with Clark Kennington?
SPEAKER_01:Well, there was a time, maybe about three years ago, when I had a falling out with my previous trainer. He, you know, I can talk about it a little bit now, but it it ended up being uh lawsuits, and and the guy was a crook. Um he actually tried to steal my dog. And then at that point, fortunately, we were able to choose and partner with about any retriever trainer in the country. So I did my homework and I did a lot of research, and Castile Creek was what I deemed the best in the country for what I wanted, American Field Trial Top uh Lab, Hunting Lab. And uh that's the reason I picked those guys, and I've been super happy with them over the last couple of years. So I'm actually going back up there tomorrow. Really? For a few days.
SPEAKER_02:I just bought I bought a set of sitka waiters off of Clark to get you to get them and me come to you. Be closer than Texas. Uh but no, well, I tell you what, and and there I don't think there's many more dog nerds on the planet than me, and I research the crap out of stuff and and and have always been that way. So I you you definitely hit the nail on the head when you pick those guys. I and I'm not advocate, I'm not criticizing anyone else, but those guys are they're top of the game.
SPEAKER_01:There are a lot of good retriever trainers out there and breeders. And and the best is all relative, but these guys, in my opinion, what through my research, they are the best.
SPEAKER_02:They are, and you know, and I've had such great guys, Luke Coor, Roadie Best, and some guys on here that's uh I'm sure I'm leaving people out, and I apologize for that, but there's so many, you know. And then for the British style train, I've I've had Barton's, I've bought God, I don't know how many dogs I've bought off Barton Ramsey. Uh I've had a Wild Rose dog, I've had, you know, uh, but but I can I'm kind of testing the waters now on American dogs. I've got a son of Floyd, which is the whole, you know, the winningest lab right now out there. And I like him so far. Uh and then I've got a dog through Luke Coor that uh that he's training. I train my own dogs, but I'm getting when I get to a point, I need help. You know? How many dogs do you have right now? I was afraid you'd ask that. So uh I'm getting ready to go hunting for two months, uh September, October. Um I have four labs, uh, English Pointer, a cocker spaniel, and a Brittany that I'm picking up from Ronnie Smith and Susannah Smith. Wow. In Oklahoma. So I gotta go to Oklahoma and get my Britney. That's what I was thinking. Maybe I could work my way up there. But yeah, I've got it bad. It's that's a lot of dogs. It is. And that's why I stay on my ran on my ranch, you know. I've got a high fence hunting ranch, and uh so it at least I've got a great place for my dogs I can work on. And the only thing, you know, the part taxes I'm in, you know, water's not prevalent, but I'm four hours, I'm four miles from the San Sava River, so I can go there and more. But yeah, yeah. It's expensive. Thank God I got a podcast and Purina sponsors me. I can afford a dog book. Uh but no, so uh Dustin, you've got you've got all kinds of things going on, but look and I I won't get in your side your other businesses, but uh you you impress me a lot. Uh let's let's let me ask you guys this. Is there any up-and-coming things that you that that you got in the works for 737?
SPEAKER_00:Well, we've kind of got kind of got you know the same stuff that you come out with in the fall. We've got a new new call coming out and stuff. I think that I think over the next year or so you'll see us kind of making a shift. Um, you know, I don't really want to say which direction or whatnot, but as a brand, you know, we're trying to go to the next level. Um and this this year we've got some stuff in the works. Um so without revealing too much, you know, I think that we're we're trying it's a it's a tough, you know, this is a tough industry to stay fresh in. There's so many people in it, so many innovations, so you know, it's constantly evolving. So staying fresh in this industry is is a challenge. I mean, it's what we spend, I feel like, a most a lot of our time on.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you know, and again, uh guys, both y'all, and I'll I'm I'm confessing now, I I'm very I I'm learning the duck call industry, and it's just recently, and it it's overwhelming how many makers there are when you go to a seminar, you know, that that's just I can't keep them all straight. So um now now again, coming from an elementary knowledge of of duck calls, I just purchased the duck whistle from you guys. And and don't laugh at me, man, but tell me what that is. I'm gonna have to learn how to use it, but tell me what that is.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so it's just a mimic, you know, basically the calls that we make are mallard hen duck call. Okay. Um, which is you know primarily what everybody's gonna be blowing. But that one's for uh teal, wood duck, wigeon, pintail, mallard Drake. Um it's a six-in-one whistle, so it does the male versions of a lot of those ducks. Okay. Yeah, so it's just to kind of cover the other gamut of ducks that the mallard hen won't.
SPEAKER_02:Well, this is something you guys may do, but I've just thought of people like me, and there has to be if if I'm having an issue, there has to be many more. But do y'all ever offer like duck calling classes or seminars? Is that something you do already?
SPEAKER_00:We have in the past, we've offered seminars before. Uh, we've had like Cody Johnson come in and help with that, um, you know, calling seminars and and you know, how to use your call in different hunting situations, you know, things like that. One thing that we are working on this year is more of like a tutorial um YouTube type series for just for helping people with call basics.
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SPEAKER_01:Oklahoma is on the map. It's it's hot. Maybe a little too hot. Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
SPEAKER_02:Uh uh it's probably something, you know, uh Dustin and I talked about I'm gonna be doing a bunch of hunting in Montana, and I'm gonna do some waterfowl too, uh, with a buddy of mine. But uh that's a good little place to it. We we don't want to talk about that too much.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Oh no, Montana's great. I mean, the beauty of that is you're not very far from the breeding grounds, so you just you're loaded up. I mean, and there's a lot of ag up there, especially western Montana.
SPEAKER_02:What's making Oklahoma up and coming, if not maybe surpassing other places?
SPEAKER_01:In my opinion, Oklahoma's always been this good, if not honestly, quite a bit better over the last 25 years than it is the last two or three, or has been the last two or three. But the issue is that a lot of these states, Texas, Louisiana, even Arkansas now are have gone down in numbers much more than Oklahoma has.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And so all those guys are looking for a place to go, and Oklahoma's is really good, but it's not nearly as good as it used to be, but it's still, you know, holding a lot more ducks in uh in many places than the Texas or Louisiana, uh, Mississippi, Arkansas, some of those states, it it seems like I don't really hunt it anywhere over there, but have I've struggled more than Oklahoma has. And in my opinion, that's that's the rationale.
SPEAKER_02:Kyle, what region of Oklahoma, what what part of the state is the best?
SPEAKER_01:Well, probably north central Oklahoma, if you draw a circle, you know, a hundred-mile circle, holds the most mallards consist consistently. And most all those are dry fields, feeding on dry fields because there's more ag in north central Oklahoma.
SPEAKER_02:Now, I've been to a tr dog training seminar up there around Pahuska. Is that that area? Okay, okay. I was gonna say, because when you said that, that's what I thought about, and I thought that's more like hilly farmland kind of, isn't it? I don't know that it's all that hilly, but there are some rolling hills. Rolling Hills, yeah, yeah. Are you guys familiar? I had a I've got a podcast coming out here pretty soon. I've already recorded with a it's a baseball player from Oklahoma, and he's a big-time duck hunter. Do y'all know Caleb Knight? He's with the Cubs, but he's on their triple A team. Uh I have I I need to introduce you guys. Y'all probably didn't live that far from each other, and he's a really good, really good guy and trains his own dog, but he's a hardcore duck hunter, like uh hunts public land stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But Oklahoma has a lot of hot pockets for ducks spread out across the state. There's not there's not really one X that you could say this is the place, or East Oklahoma or Western Oklahoma. There's more water on the eastern part of the state, uh, but there's more ag on the western part of the state. So there are there are a lot of areas that have large mallard concentrations.
SPEAKER_02:Now, you all don't have an outfitter yourself or anything like that, right? You're just duck calls. Right. Okay. Um I I want to get kind of technical about duck calls, y'all, but I I'm coming with such a lack of knowledge. I don't know that I can intelligently ask the questions, but uh tell me about the mechanics of a duck call. Help me understand that because you're truly talking to a blank slate here.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, but basically there's four parts to a duck call. There's a barrel, an insert, a reed, and a cork. Okay. So the most important thing is obviously the insert. Uh most most barrels are all bored at a five-inch five-eighths inch hole. Sometimes the shorter barrel will make a difference in the sound um and responsiveness of the call. But essentially a call is broke down into four parts. Um, and the reed and the cork, and the this insert being the most important three of that, obviously.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. So and then Dustin, I noticed too, like I, you know, being a musician, I always think about sound, and I I play bluegrass, so I'm always with acoustic stuff. But what is the difference in wood versus poly or resin-based calls?
SPEAKER_00:So what we we use cast acrylic or wood. Um the the difference is just mainly sharpness and tone. Um, you're gonna get a little sharper tone off of that cast acrylic than you will wood. It's a little softer. So therefore, it tends to have a little bit, you know, softer, more subtle sound than an acrylic, a little bit more finesse on the bottom end. They take more, you know, it's more care. Okay. Right? Than it than an acrylic. But you know, some guys prefer the sound of wood. Wood over acrylic just because you can get a little softer.
SPEAKER_02:I bet you can tell the difference blindfolded, can't you?
SPEAKER_00:Uh pretty a lot of times I can. I can definitely feel it if I'm blowing one, you know. That's yeah, they're they're definitely a difference when you're tuning them.
SPEAKER_02:And I guess the wood kind of is affected by moisture, humidity, stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, moisture, humidity, um, you know, the elements of duck hunting, right? I mean, it's gonna, you know, some guy may drop it, it may swell a little bit. You know, we what we use is uh uh like a linseed, like a gun oil stock. That's we soak them for you know 60 hours in that before we I like that because it's uh you know it's it's more water resistant. Uh the finish doesn't peel off like a you know thick, clear coat wood than leaving the wood exposed. So we've had a lot more success with that, especially with the fundamentals of the call working in and out and stuff and not not being so you know out there to the elements.
SPEAKER_02:Now, you you guys don't you you're not you don't manufacture decoys, do you?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Something you ever thought about?
SPEAKER_01:For a couple seconds.
SPEAKER_02:What's the what's the pros and cons of that, Kyle?
SPEAKER_01:Uh, you know, my cons were that it's just a really crowded market. Duck calls are crowded, but it almost feels like feels like decoys are more crowded, and most of the makers are relying on China because they're importing their deco their decoys, their product. And we really didn't want to be in that boat. Uh so that that was kind of the thinking there.
SPEAKER_00:Well, along those lines, are there imported duck calls that on the market that I I'm not aware of that market, but I I don't believe there are any imported um calls. Now there is uh imported acrylic. Okay. Um and you can definitely see a difference in that. Uh, we don't use that, but I don't I don't know of any imported calls, no.
SPEAKER_02:Um again, I have a big love for wood, y'all. Like I'm sitting on a my desk here's a walnut desk. I had the Amish make for me in Kentucky. What woods do you use for duck calls and does it affect the sound? The type of wood.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, absolutely. You just try to use the denser wood. So our our primary three woods are um African blackwood, which you know they you know that's an instrument making wood. Yes. Um bacati, and then we use we we call it boat arc, but everybody else calls it hedge. Um, so those are the three we use.
SPEAKER_02:The hedge is probably softer, isn't it, or no?
SPEAKER_00:It's pretty hard. I mean, compared to African blackwood, you know, African blackwood is so dense it won't float. Um, so that's gonna be the hardest wood. We used to run Coca-Bola a lot, you know. The import importing of Coca-Bola is is over with. So, you know, finding enough cocaola to make you know enough calls to satisfy the need is is not it's not a possibility right now.
SPEAKER_02:Now, that's the wood from Hawaii, right?
SPEAKER_00:Uh a lot of it comes from Mexico and South America. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Uh you know, in my world, I played bluegrass forever. We Brazilian rosewood was highly sought after mark guitars. For banjos, I'm a banjo player, so uh uh curly maple or maple's the hardest. And it's just you can't. Yeah, and we have made some goose calls out of maple. I bet it's loud, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Yeah, yes. And that's a that's actually a very popular wood for goose calls, is maple.
SPEAKER_02:Oh wow. Do y'all make goose calls?
SPEAKER_00:Uh we we discontinued our goose call, but we're we're we're talking about bringing that back.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Another question, and again, forgive my ignorance, but do y'all is there is there a type of do y'all make sandhill crane calls?
SPEAKER_00:We don't. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Is that a special market?
SPEAKER_00:Uh I would say it'd be very niche market. I mean, you know, it it appears that there are a lot of sandhill crane hunters out there. My my gut tells me that it's a lot of guides taking people, so it's a pretty small call market. You know, I think the I think the speckle belly market or you know, even a blue wing or a uh a straight wood duck call would be a better play for us. Just and we don't really have the experience of hunting sandhills. I mean, Kyle and I have hunted Western Oklahoma a ton and and have seen more sandhills than we probably care to, you know, flying over us over the years. But I don't have any personal experience hunting those, and and so you know, it's hard for me to get in and dive in and make a call on that when I'm just not really comfortable with it.
SPEAKER_02:That makes sense. It's mostly a guided hunt to be successful. Yeah. Yeah. We you know, I can just drive up a road here about an hour and a half to Lubbock, and I'm in Sandhill Heaven, you know. The but uh yeah, I wonder about that. Yeah, and I I hadn't seen those calls, and just the guy that's with us doing it. But yeah, anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Well, recently it's just in recent years they actually started making decoys for those. You know, everybody was using stuffers, and now I think there's a silhouette out there and maybe a full body, but yeah, so maybe it's getting more popular, but it hadn't really been on my radar as far as call making yet.
SPEAKER_02:They're huge decoys and they're expensive, and I don't own any. I just go with a guy, but you know, we'll put out a hundred. We'll help the guide put out when we go, and it's insane. Uh they he has a trailer full of them. And you set the whole trailer out, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It's it's tell you what though, it it's uh it's some good eating. Oh, I've heard that. I've heard it's some of the best eating, and I've heard it's a fun, fun time.
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SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we go a lot. I particularly do. Dustin hasn't been able to go as much last couple years, but uh I I feel like I or my wife tells me I I hunt a lot anyway. So you hear about it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Uh do y'all get do y'all are you much upland hunters?
SPEAKER_01:Just a little. Some some pheasant, South Dakota, little Kansas. Uh we I would probably be uh a uh quail hunter if the quail numbers were the way they were 30 years ago in Oklahoma.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I probably would have just kept quail hunting and not duck hunting, but uh not not so much anymore.
SPEAKER_02:Now, Kyle, do you when you go in you probably don't have your own upland dogs, do you? Or do you use take your own?
SPEAKER_01:I I I used to have one, but I do not anymore. And I mean I honestly have only gone maybe once in the last five years for a quail.
SPEAKER_02:Oh what what did you have before? What was your birth your upland dog? English pointer. Oh yeah. I've got one now, it's my first one. Uh that's that's a whole different realm of dog than the retriever. Uh and I'm learning about it. Um hey, if either one of you guys, I'll I'll mention this now. If you ever want to go pheasant hunting, I go with a really good guy up in here on South Dakota, wild birds and uh really good outfitter there. And he it it's all he owns the property, and he's a probably one of the most nausible dog guys I've ever been around, and I'd say something. Yeah. If you guys get tired, we'll take you out. Yeah. Uh so are both of y'all in the office all the time in your facility, or uh I guess Kyle, are you out traveling marketing all over the place?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I I I live in Oklahoma City, so I'm not over there as much as I would like to be. It's it's not that far, but it's an hour drive. So Dustin's there at least nearly every day because he's tuning calls and and and and looking over things, but I I'm not out there as much as I would like to be.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Um it kind of works out though, because like in the like you said, the last few years I haven't really hunted as much as I would like to, and that may be, you know, my my own fault, but and we're busy. So, you know, but during season it's nice because we can keep things rolling here, and then he facilitates all of our content and all that stuff that's got to be done during season, which it which you know, I think a lot of people look at that and like, man, that's probably pretty fun, you know, getting go hunting and doing all it's work. Um, and it's a lot of work, and it's a lot of work facilitating the photographers, the video guys, and making sure you have birds and making sure you have this. So uh he doesn't know it, but I really love that he does that because it's so much work, you know. He's that's his side of the biz. But he's good at it, and he makes sure that makes sure as we get it. So that's another one of those defined role type things, you know. He's really good at staying on that and the eye for it. So, and I've got the ear. Well, I'll tell you something.
SPEAKER_02:I want to brag on you guys. Uh, your your content is excellent. You're whoever you got for doing your photography is should get a Nobel Prize. I mean, that it's it's excellent.
SPEAKER_01:Tom Martinow does it is our main photographer anymore, and he is I think he's the best waterfowl photographer in the business, uh, if not one of the top two or three, and there's a lot of good ones out there, but he is unbelievable. And I need to look more.
SPEAKER_02:I thought some of the photos I saw was like Dustin, you, maybe you and your son.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, he was there actually for my first the first time I took my son hunting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm gonna go dig through some more of that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I'd like to. Yeah, it was pretty neat to capture, but like Kyle said, he's one of the best, and and he's probably one of we've been around a lot of photographers and a lot of great ones. Um, and they're all hardworking. But some reason Tom has another gear. I don't know how to explain it. Um, but when just when you think you're done, you're just getting started. Um, so yeah, but it's great. I mean, look at the stuff that he's produced for us, you know, and and like you said, you it it resonates with you and speaks for itself. Well, I actually didn't you and I talk about your photo sessions and yeah, I mean, well, just him, he's just out there when we're hunting, he's just an absolute workhorse, he just never stops moving. It's it's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_02:Um have and I'm gonna try and get too too nosy in your business, but guys, just take me from the beginnings number of employees to what you got now, if you don't mind me asking that question, just how much you guys have grown in in what 10, 11 years?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, we've basically go ahead, Kyle, if you want to.
SPEAKER_01:No, you got it. You go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, it started, it's it's always been, you know, me, Kyle, um, my wife, and his wife, you know. That's that's you know, his wife does, you know, helps us with stuff, organizing, planning, that kind of stuff. And then my wife's more of the bookend side of it. But for the longest time, it was just us four. I mean, for for several years until we really when we right before we built this facility, we moved into another um location, which was downtown here in Seminole, where where I live. Um, you know, and that's when we brought on somebody full-time to kind of come in and get their hands around everything that was going on. It got to the point where I couldn't keep up by myself. Um, you know, so it turned into the full-time manager. And then when we built this new showroom facility, you know, we had to hire, we're kind of seasonal with staff, you know, a lot of the full-time staff we're here, we have five full-time people that work here at 737. And then in the in the wintertime, we typically get a few high school or college kids that come in, and you know, we'll have them helping with you know, packing orders, cleaning the shop, you know, any of that kind of stuff. So, I mean, it's been a slow grow, I would say, but it also feels really fast. I don't, it's it's kind of hard to explain, you know.
SPEAKER_02:No, what is your all see when is the busy season? I'm sure what time of year would that be?
SPEAKER_00:It used to start, you know, used to the busy season was really about now. Um mid-August is you know, September is when it kind of carts excuse me, kind of starts kicking off. Um, however, our retail presence has grown significantly over the last few years. Um so now duck season for us is pretty much starts in April. Wow. Um we're getting, you know, we we start getting out summer retail orders, and then once you get those out, you know, August hits, and now you've got fall orders. So it's it's almost every you know year round for us now. So are I I I forgot to ask you that question.
SPEAKER_02:So you guys are in retail stores?
SPEAKER_00:It's not just direct sales. No, we're in um Basfro, Shields, Cabela's, Rogers. Um, I mean, I I could go on probably, Colin. I'm gonna miss a bunch. Um, just a ton of retail stores. Yes. And that was one thing, is when you're talking about staffing, we added, um, I think it was last year we added our our new um retail guy. He's our outsized retail sales rep, um, and he's really helped expand us in that model, and more with our brand our you know, relationships with those retailers, the managers of those departments. So he's he's been a great help with that.
SPEAKER_02:Man, I I didn't realize that, guys. I and you know, last year for the first time in South Dakota, I had to run it, I forgot my my Garmin, had to run down to Shields and Sioux Falls, and I'd never been in a SHIELLS. Man, I thought I'd hit Redneck Paradise, you know. I mean, that store blows me away. Uh and now they're they're putting one in Oklahoma City, right? Yes. Right. Man, uh that's that's dangerous. I don't know if I want to live too close to that store.
SPEAKER_01:And they're one of the best stores to work with on our side as well, which is great, great to work with.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because I'm sure that's tough too. It's a tough market, and uh I mean, I'm sure it's hard to get in those stores, uh especially with all the competition.
SPEAKER_01:It can be for sure.
SPEAKER_02:I had I had something I was gonna ask you guys, and it slipped my mind. I I should have written that down. Oh crap. Anyway, it'll come back to me. Um so you're in retail stores, you're in some small mom and pop markets, or or not not just chain stores, but you're in some smaller stores too. Right. Uh yeah, they're niche hunting stores. Okay. And then uh how many different states would those be in? Do you know those numbers? Hello, this is Kenneth Witt, and Gun Dog Nation is proud to have one of their sponsors as Retriever Training Supply, based in Alabama. Retriever Training Supply offers fast shipping on quality gear. Your dog will love it. Visit Retriever Training Supply dot com to purchase gear to help you train your retriever. Listen, they have some of the best leases I've ever found. It's stuff's made in America. Their leases are and they source them locally. They have anything you want. Fast, friendly service, fast shipping, just good people. Retriever training supply.
SPEAKER_00:I I do not just I don't wouldn't know because we're we are in every shields. Uh most BassPros, you know, I I could I honestly couldn't tell you the answer to that question, Kim.
SPEAKER_02:Wow, that's man, that's impressive. Listen, guys, I always one of the reasons I wanted you guys on here, I I love success stories. I love guys taking a dream, an idea, and turning it into reality. And that's one thing. The second level, and you guys know that all too well, is making it successful. And that takes uh to me, that's American dream, right? That's what it's all about. I I'm just real impressed. And uh, you know, not only have I bought a couple stuff from you because I'm trying to learn in in secret with nobody watching me, uh, or when I'm driving, because my my wife would throw me out if I did it in the house. But uh Dustin, I want to thank you. You sent me a call, man. And uh and so now I have I'm starting to have a lanyard, but it's all 737. So but uh thank you for that. I really appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. Uh and that's what I'm gonna say to these listeners. Listen, guys, uh I've I've got Kyle and I have a mutual friend, but I met Dustin, just Cole caught, you know, walked up and talked to him. These guys are super nice, and uh I definitely suggest giving them a look when you're in that when you're looking for a duck call. They're just they're super personal, friendly. Uh there's nothing pretentious about them. They're just real down dirt, saw the earth guys. So anyway, I had to give you a plug, but uh, I mean, well, thank you.
SPEAKER_00:You're welcome. Thanks, Kevin. Well, one thing that we we want, you know, that something that we've tried to do differently, and I think it's helped us with our relationship with the retailers is we try to put out a high-end product, but we'll stand behind it. Um, you get a lifetime guaranteed warranty on your call. Okay. You know, we will retune them for life, send it to us right before season, we'll retune it. But also, you know, we offer 28-day in-home trial. Okay. You know, a lot of guys are nervous to blow a duck call in front of people in a store or whatnot. So if you buy a call from us online or in a store, you know, you can try it out for 28 days. And if you don't like it, we'll we'll give you your money back or find a call that you know in our lineup that will fit. So that's just trying to trying to be you know a little point of differentiation for us. You know, we want people to be comfortable, they're spending their hard-earned money, and duck calls are you know not a cheap tool to have.
SPEAKER_02:So I I you said this to me, and and I'm just trying to get my head around it because I, you know, I said I'm a greenhorn, but doesn't explain tuning a duck call. I I play music, but explain tuning a duck call. What does that entail?
SPEAKER_00:Well, so when we get, you know, when a when a call comes some on my my desk from you know the guys, it's already been engraved and painted. Um, so basically what I do is I take a read. You know, a lot of the times I have to sand the tone boards on those because when they come off a mill, you know, they're they just have I leave a little bit of meat on there so you know we can either add some stuff or take away depending on what the caller likes. So the first thing is usually trimming that tone board down. If it's a standard tune, you know, I know exactly how many swipes I have to make typically. And then it's just, you know, read and cork. I put the reed in there, you know, and I start trimming until it sounds right to the ear. Just done so many that I'm can get pretty close on the initial read, but yeah, it's just, you know, all of it's off of sound. I feel and sound. I don't have any kind of device that tells me it's right or wrong or this or that. It's just straight off of feeling sound.
SPEAKER_02:And you're doing that yourself. Yep. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00:No wonder you're so busy. Well, it's you know, it's just a piece of the business. It's the final, you know, it's the final thing, right? It's the most important, well, one of the most important things, the sound of it. Um, so it's just something that I've not let get out of my hands yet. It's we've not gotten to the point where it has to, so I'm not gonna do that. Um, we like keeping that control.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I'm gonna say this. When I see a duck call first, you know, being a greenhorn, I'm like, oh wow, these are expensive. But then when I hear what goes into it, they're really not. I mean, what product can we buy today in a store that's got that kind of attention to detail? I don't know anything. Right. So that that's that's really neat.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and you know, we we care. We want people to really enjoy their call. We want them to use them. We don't want it to just be hanging on the lanyard, you know, or sitting in the truck. So, you know, I love when people are able to come into the shop or even that show where we met, Ken, so we can get one-on-one and and have the call feel right for them. You know, we have that capability to tune it to, you know, what feels good, what's comfortable, so they'll use the call. Um, that's most important to me. Because I don't want somebody spending that kind of money and they're not going to use it.
SPEAKER_02:Well, what's one of the best customer stories y'all have? I know you've probably got so many that comes to mind.
SPEAKER_00:Uh as far as good or any buy.
SPEAKER_01:Some repeat customers that we've bought several, several calls from us. Um we've sold, you can order calls on our website from around the world.
SPEAKER_00:We've sold calls to what, Dustin, France, Russia, Italy, New Zealand, and these are, yeah, a lot of a lot of them. So we got a pretty good spike in New Zealand last year, which was you know interesting.
SPEAKER_02:That is. Don't you and and what makes it just it has to be referral, right? Someone over there got one was happy with it and spread the word? I'm not real sure. Um I'm not real sure, Ken. Well, I'm gonna t I won't bore you too, but I gotta tell you one fact, and it's still maybe Kyle, you with the marketing background, can explain this to me, but you know, I my podcast is on different platforms. It's on Spotify and Apple and Amazon. But but I'm also have a YouTube channel, so you guys will be seen visually on the channel, all three of us. Mexico is outdoes performance on my YouTube channel four times more than the U.S.
SPEAKER_03:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:Interesting. It's I don't know the answer to it. I mean like huge numbers, huge numbers uh of downloads and viewership. And it's not just that they're turning it on, they're watching the host. You can see you know all the analytics, they're watching the whole show, and I you know, I I I don't speak Spanish, but it just uh I've never I don't understand all that. I'm I'm glad, I'm happy, uh obviously. But yeah, it's just it's just neat, isn't it? How how your product took took root in New Zealand and got a bunch of sales, but uh I'd love to know that. Yeah, I don't I don't have an answer for you. When you're getting ready to go on your next hunting trip, make sure you pack the most efficient and reliable ammunition on the market. Mygra ammunition brings you the most diverse loads on the market. Mygra's patented stacked load technology is the epitome of efficiency. Two shot sizes stacked together to create the most diverse and efficient line of shot shells in the industry. It doesn't matter what flyaway, what state, or what the weather, the standard remains the same. At Myra, reliable loads that perform in any condition every single time. We're proud to have Myra Ammunition as a sponsor for Gun Dog Nation.
SPEAKER_01:Um Ken, I don't want to take off the course you're on, but Dustin is sitting in our shop right now. And and for your listeners that are going to be watching, it might be worth him to just turn his camera a little bit. Because that's one of the things we haven't really talked about, but we're we're very proud of our of our duck call shop. I'd love that. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02:Let's do that. Because I won't see it too.
SPEAKER_01:And we built this shop as more of wanted it to be a destination for people to stop in. There's a a full bar, craft cocktails. I think we have like 10, 12 beers on tap, cigars. We sell ammunition, other products from different different partners of ours. Um, there's outdoor patios, lounge. I think we have seven TVs. Oh, wow. So we've really kind of show around, can you, Dustin? Yes. I I want to see this. A lot of photography all the photography is is of uh my duck club. There's videos playing.
SPEAKER_02:Uh we just we just can you turn it to the side it's sideways. There, perfect, perfect. Much better. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01:Go ahead, Kyle. Just uh, you know, shuffle ball shuffleboard tables and uh it's just it was kind of a vision that we had.
SPEAKER_02:And um man, I love it. Y'all probably have to you'd have to kick me out, you know, like you'd have to make somebody put me out the door. It's a pretty fun hangout for sure. I saw the outside on your website and just really impressed. I hadn't seen the inside.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know if the video is really doing it justice here. It's a little blurry, but uh worth mentioning, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Dustin, can you show us your duck call bench or shop or where you do all the work?
SPEAKER_00:Could but I think I'll lose you when I go back there or drop a signal in the back. Yeah. Sorry. No, that's all right. It tends to drop it when it goes in the back.
SPEAKER_02:No, I love that. And for for guys listening to the podcast and couldn't see that, guys, you get you need to go online to their website. What a neat shop. If you're in Semino, Oklahoma, you've got to drop in and see these guys. Uh yeah, that's that's alright. I like it.
SPEAKER_00:Uh yeah, we're very proud of it. It's uh people, you know, when they come in here, it's like kind of take a breath of fresh air, like, oh man, this is you know, this is here. Yeah. So they people really enjoy it, and even the locals here enjoy it, so it's a nice spot too for them.
SPEAKER_02:How many different species of ducks do you guys have in there on the wall? Montana? Well, there's only mallards.
SPEAKER_01:Mallards, a swan, a few Canadians, uh, uh a blonde hen, and a hybrid pentail mallard drag, but we like to shoot.
SPEAKER_02:So is Oklahoma mallard country? Pretty much.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, you can kill a lot of different species here, uh, but we're kind of we try to be mallard purists, I guess.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. A lot of pentail last year.
SPEAKER_01:True.
SPEAKER_02:Well, Dustin, you bring your dog to the shop.
SPEAKER_00:Uh on occasion. I just, you know, I I come in here usually so early before, you know, my other stuff. Sometimes I do. On the weekends, I'll bring him around with me, yeah. Yeah. That's alright. So there's always a dog in here, whether it's somebody from the back or there's always a dog running around.
SPEAKER_02:Now, do you all take um when you're creating a new a new product? Do you do that b based on feedback, requests from customers, or needs that you see with your vision that hey, this might work, or how does that how does that develop?
SPEAKER_00:Right now, a lot of it's feedback, I would say, wouldn't you, Kyle?
SPEAKER_01:I mean probably all the above, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. There's definitely vision stuff, but then a lot of feedback, you know. We've especially with what call models to come out with, you know, we've been so cut down heavy the last few years. Everybody's on the cut down craze that we're gonna come out with a different call this year other than a cut down, but a lot of it is customer feedback. And the whistle was one of those things, right? We've been getting a lot of comments on that.
SPEAKER_02:So um now I know that Kyle's answer, but no, Dustin, did you train your own dog or did you have it trained? I had it trained. You guys just too busy, right? I mean, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Dog training consuming. I would say yes, too busy, and the other side, I don't have the patience or the skill set for it.
SPEAKER_01:I just it it's tough. I've trained some of my dogs in the past, but I'd prefer just turn it over to experts than me try to mess one up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, just put it on cruise control and it's it's yeah, it it's so time consuming. You gotta have a place, and yeah, yeah. I get it.
SPEAKER_00:I've almost talked myself into it. I think maybe me and Kyle have talked about it where I just buy and uh started or finished dog, you know.
SPEAKER_02:It's like there's a lot to be said for that. You you you miss all the puppy stuff, the crate training and whining.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I don't care about any of the puppy stuff, but you know.
SPEAKER_02:It's tough, man. I'm getting ready to take one on in the middle of the middle of September. And uh it's actually a dog off, it's a puppy off Clark's uh oh uh shoot. I talk I've known so many dog names. Uh Stroker. I'm gonna have a pup off Stroker and then I'm pretty excited. Uh it it it I know it's a good breeding because Clark kept two himself. Yeah. But he's not it the the female is uh Chris Rudd's dog, but yeah, I'm I'm gonna pick it up September 15th or something like that. Yeah. Well, gentlemen, uh gosh, I I know you guys got a million things to do, and I appreciate you taking time out of your busy morning to be on here. Uh tell everybody again where they can find 737 Duck Calls.
SPEAKER_00:Uh you can find them on our website, 737 DuckCalls.com. Uh Instagram is at 737 Duck Calls. Same for Facebook, TikTok. Uh Kyle and I both have our own pages that you can see some other stuff there if you want. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And most national retailers now you can you can buy our calls. Good deal.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, yes. And and I forgot to ask you this question. I assume you guys do custom work too, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we do.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:There's actually a place on our website when you order a call that you can add custom engraving, okay. Uh, upload your logo. Um, you know, we do names or birthdays, or we do we do a lot of custom call work.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. And the custom work probably needs to go through the website or that's the best place to start. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. If it gets a little more detailed than what typically the manager here will reach out and kind of, you know, get in touch with them on the details of the logo or whatever it may be.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. All right. Well, Kyle and Dustin meant, thank you all so much. Uh, hope you have a successful. Duck season and uh hope your business thrives. It's good to see guys like you make it.
SPEAKER_01:Thanks, Ken. Come see us sometime.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I definitely will. Be careful. Appreciate it. All right, thank you. Hello, this is Kenneth Witt with Gun Dog Nation. I'd like to encourage all you listeners and viewers on our YouTube channel to check out Patreon.com forward slash gun dog nation. For ten dollars a month, you can become a member of our community and we'll have access to lots of stuff. Mainly we'll do a monthly forum, an open forum where you can ask me anything gun dog related and we'll learn from each other in the community. Should be a lot of fun each month. We will do that. So check it out patreon.com forward slash gun dognation.