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The Spiritual Grind
Embracing Anger: Redefining Empowerment
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What if embracing anger could actually lead to hope and empowerment? Join us as we explore the complex world of emotions during spiritual awakening and how they serve as a compass guiding us toward personal growth. We uncover the transformative power of accepting emotions like anger as pivotal stepping stones away from despair, allowing us to align more closely with our higher selves. Embracing these raw emotions without judgment turns challenges into opportunities for growth and expansion.
Dive into the science of emotional frequencies and discover how understanding your emotional states can accelerate personal evolution. We reveal how experienced practitioners, such as martial artists, leverage different brainwave states to swiftly process complex emotions. Learn how recognizing emotional frequencies can help you respond more effectively to life's challenges, fostering hope and resilience. This episode is packed with insights into how tapping into your emotions can lead to personal empowerment and mastery of your emotional journey.
Relationships and individuality take center stage as we discuss the delicate balance between personal growth and shared journeys. From nurturing your plant companions to maintaining individuality in romantic partnerships, we emphasize the importance of nurturing all forms of relationships. By prioritizing self-discovery and emotional empowerment, you can create a harmonious existence that celebrates both personal and collective growth. As we discuss these dynamics, we inspire you to embrace your unique path with optimism and compassion, reminding you of the power you hold to shape your reality.
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Thank you. Good morning, Dr. Jenny.
Speaker 2Good morning.
Speaker 1How are you this morning?
Speaker 2I'm good.
Speaker 1Oh, you know why we're having a podcast today.
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 1Because we're going to give people hope. We're going to give them hope. Oh no, you don't want to give it away.
Speaker 2I didn't bring any with me.
Speaker 1Oh, you don't carry a bag full around.
Speaker 2I didn't bring that particular briefcase to work today.
Speaker 1Oh no. What are we going to do now?
Speaker 2I don't know.
Speaker 1Okay, thank you all for listening. Have a good, just kidding, well. No, the topic of my podcast topic today is more about wait, can you say?
Speaker 2topic one more time.
Speaker 1Topic I'm a topic, topic I don't know. Topic Anyway, I I want to make sure that everybody understands that when you're going through spiritual awakening and ascension and changing your vibrational standard, sometimes you bump up against things that can be tough to handle and just know that you're going through these things for a reason and that you are aligning with your higher self when humanly you may be feeling emotional about it or upset about it, but on the other side of that is greater expansion.
Speaker 1Of course, and and I think the whole part of that is where some people get confused. Like you know, we have depression, we have all these things out there where people get bothered by things and and they get depressed or down on themselves. And the reality is, is this real life, this life situation right now is 100% just a stage? You know, the Bible says this too shall pass, and there is a lot of truth to that statement. It will all pass, it will all move on once you figure out what's holding you in that spot.
Speaker 2Well, I mean yeah, because essentially, in the rabbit hole form of things, this is just a dream.
Speaker 1It is.
Speaker 2Your spirit is basically having a dream.
Speaker 1There's lots of parameters that go into all of this, lots of things that feed into your vibrational frequency, your human actions, your beliefs, your patterns and programs. And when you come up against something that is a tough one, you know it can be daunting of a task and it can put us into that human spot of despair which, on the emotional guidance system ladder, is like the bottom of the bucket.
Speaker 2And so very, very low energy.
Speaker 1And so when you're in that spot, you have to stop and say, oh, this is bad as it gets, because you're in despair already, right, and so it's the worst. And you know you said it one day in a podcast that getting angry about something is actually a higher level of vibration than despair.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, we've been taught that being angry is a bad thing and you shouldn't do it. I agree, and in reality the anger is higher up on the emotional level scale and it's actually a good thing because you've come from the lower level vibration to a higher level frequency and that then is going to take you to the next level. That's above that, if you can think about it from a, you know, one to 10 scale, one being despair is a good word, one being despair is a good word and joy and bliss being 10 and angers, you know, somewhere in between the middle or third or the way up, you've just basically step, stoned yourself up to higher frequency by being angry yeah, you ascend to do.
Speaker 2Just don't hang out there.
Speaker 1Right. Keep on going up the ladder.
Speaker 2Right, work on the, the whatever's coming up for you, and as you release the beliefs, patterns, programs around it, you'll naturally ascend up that emotional scale.
Speaker 1Agreed, agreed, agreed. You know the the part of it that or? Well, you know there's a. There's a specific thing. I'm currently doing this seminar on the power of thought, and one of the people in this seminar asked about why do I get mad at myself when I have a health problem come up, or why do I get, um, disappointed or confused? And and my response to that was is well, I guess you could be totally without hope in it. And she was like oh, I said, because to have anger, you have to have hope that there's something mad and something better. And you're just mad, that it's. The hope is not revealed itself yet. And and so I kind of identifying that for people to make sure they understand that when you are in your worst spot, that is your worst spot, it don't get any worse. And so, and if you stop and look, and, and what gives you hope is the realizing that the Ascension on the other side of it is there.
Speaker 2Yeah that, that should be exciting.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's right. And then, which goes up the ladder of your emotional ladder?
Speaker 2which, if you can get to a place where you're nonjudgmental of the emotions and just accepting of them as you climb that ladder, and even then go to a higher school of thought, if you will that when you are excited about having an emotion on the lower end of the scale, because you know that on the other side of that is a higher frequency yeah, and completeness right, yeah you know that feeling of okay, I feel complete, yeah because it feels good.
Speaker 2it feels good to go from despair to anger, and so you know we talk about a lot finding the better feeling place in every given moment, and sometimes, on some topics that are very heavy and very challenging, and you are in that place of being at the bottom of the bucket. The only place you can go to get to a better feeling place is anger, and anger does feel better than the hopelessness and the despair. And so giving back the value in a positive form to that emotion called anger, instead of it just kind of continuing to carry this negative connotation, is probably something that we would all benefit from yeah, you know, they say that there's the.
Speaker 2I've heard in some religious practices that you know the golden gates now, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you have to go out and act on that anger outwardly. Yeah, you shouldn't, because that will definitely get you in trouble. If you're living on the three-dimensional earth that has the constructs in place where it's not legal necessarily to go shoot someone or mess up their property or whatever, you still have to live within the confines of that, but definitely in your own private space, allowing that anger to be.
Speaker 1I'm glad you just opened that door because that is a it's a great place. To add in to this part is having emotions as part of a personal journey that you should not project on anybody else.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1And when you have emotions on it, like especially the negative vibration ones. Now, when you're happy about something, yeah, share it. Share with the world, tell everybody, yeah, yeah, this happened to me. You know you want to build that energy. Now, when it comes to the negative side, the lower half, the five and below, I think, on the emotional ladder Isn't that a store.
Speaker 1Five below it is yeah, maybe they should sponsor us anyway. Uh, the the uh part of that is remembering that emotionally, emotional based decisions that create actions have consequences well, I mean all actions have consequences.
Speaker 2That's another word that would be beneficial to give it a positive and negative meaning.
Speaker 1Yes, I agree, because there's positive consequences as well, I agree.
Speaker 2I digress, I'll let you continue.
Speaker 1And so when we do have that, you know, because I call it a 10-step emotional ladder, which I'm actually I'll put it on the website once I get it all written up this week.
Speaker 1Because Jenny didn't, dr Jenny didn't know this, this, but she's going to create it for my power of thought school this week. Oh, wow, okay, and that, uh, that emotional ladder, we'll put it up on the website so you can see it under. We'll, I'll, uh, I'll have our internet person create a plot spot that says forms so you can see it by the way, she is and the the consequences behind the one through five.
Speaker 1Part of that, I think, is which is half of it. I call it a one to ten scale and so if you take the negative side and you create actions based off your emotional responses towards anything other than keeping it internal, can create a domino effect of issues and, like you know, when you get in a fight with your loved one.
Speaker 2It can definitely create a whole subcategory of emotions that will come with it.
Speaker 1Correct, yeah, and sometimes even beliefs and habits.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1You know, because how many times have you heard people say I mean, I got mad and said this and I wish I hadn't. I didn't mean it.
Speaker 2Right, that's regret, that's regret.
Speaker 1That's regret and which is on the emotional, on the emotional ladder, which I think is a little above angry. But when you create, because to have regret you have to have you, to have regret, you have to have conscious awareness of what you did was wrong- yeah, Regret, you have to have conscious awareness of what you did was wrong.
Speaker 2Yeah, so regret actually technically and, like I said, I'll get the download for it and put it on. But regret actually, I believe, has a frequency a little bit lower than anger.
Speaker 1Okay, the point of it that I want to make is, when you're working on that lower level vibration with your emotional responses, just know that the positivity behind it is is you always climb the ladder.
Speaker 2As humans, we by nature climb the ladder yeah, because by nature that mechanism is designed to find the better feeling place in every given moment yeah, yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1You know, in the power of thought school we were, we went over the levels of consciousness. And you know I don't know if you know this or not, being a hypnotist you probably do but you know they discovered another level of consciousness called the gamma level.
Speaker 2Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1And the gamma level is kind of a combination of the theta and the alpha Right of a combination of the theta and the alpha, and what they have discovered is that the gamma level is a level of consciousness that your subconscious mind creates conscious actions. And when we are in that spot of emotional guidance system, our subconscious base of our belief will create actions. And we have to be aware enough of our reality to know that just because our subconscious mind thinks that it's okay to go stab your boyfriend's tires and let all the air out doesn't mean your conscious mind doesn't and your human experience wants it. And so that is kind of a response area for conscious awareness.
Speaker 2Yeah, and so to break it down into more elementary type terminology, it could be, it could be labeled as almost a form of instinct.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's instinctual, and that's what they're saying about the gamma level, because I've been a lot of reading on it this last week.
Speaker 2The instincts that are ingrained in us and that are taught to us, but then also the instincts that our physical body has in play, live in that gamma right realm and so they're breathing when you're asleep, um, it would be very tiresome to have to wake up and breathe yeah, we just saw that somewhere, that one of the one l the dolphins.
Speaker 1They wake up every couple of minutes underwater while they're asleep, just to breathe.
Speaker 2Right, they actually only let half of their brain sleep at a time.
Speaker 1Yeah, and they shut the other eye.
Speaker 2So the other half can stay awake and breathe.
Speaker 1That's kind of crazy that we're there.
Speaker 2That much it is. It's how intelligent they are, yeah.
Speaker 1But the takeaway from this is understanding. One of the examples I read about the gamma level of consciousness was a gentleman was driving down the road and a car pulls out in front of him and he instinctually swerves to avoid the accident.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And the lady in the passenger seat of his car said I would have never done that. And so understanding that this gentleman has the ability to put itself into a gamma consciousness without thinking about it and this woman doesn't, is just practice in trusting your instinct. Well, is just practice in trusting your instinct?
Speaker 2Well, it's definitely understanding the mechanism of the belief.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Because she does have the ability. She just thinks she doesn't.
Speaker 1Right, because it's lack of information, that's correct.
Speaker 2We all have the ability and we all do it because, like I said, breathing is a prime example.
Speaker 1On a dental level, right Breathing, is that prime?
Speaker 2example, no adult level right Breathing. Is that instinctual?
Speaker 1gamma. No, it's the beta level, beta level.
Speaker 2Breathing? Is that instinctual gamma level?
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2You're built with that instinct to continue to breathe and not have to think about it. You don't have to think. You're not like a vampire where you say, okay, breathe, so you look normal and human-like.
Speaker 1So the most interesting part of that that I was reading was that they started testing literally a four-day-old child, and that four-day-old child actually had every level of consciousness that they could record, because they had figured out how to measure it through frequency and the gamma levels at 9.5 to 11.4 hertz right and the beta level which used to be thought to be.
Speaker 1It was it's like 6.9 to 8, something on the hertz level was the level of unconscious thought, where your body, your heart beats, you breathe, you open your, you blink your eyes, those unconscious, involuntary muscle actions, and now they're moving it into the gamma level. Right, but understanding all this stuff is I kind of I kind of detoured a little bit on the topic here but understanding these different levels because I want to make sure everybody understands that you put yourself in hypnosis, states of hypnosis throughout the day, every single day.
Understanding Emotional Frequencies for Spiritual Growth
Speaker 1Of course, when you are meditating, when you're watching TV, when you're driving, you put yourself on different levels of consciousness and you don't even realize you're doing it Right. And when you put yourself into a emotional response system that creates that level of hypnosis you know being level of consciousness where you've done it to yourself, you have to realize that the hope on the other side of it is what helps control the emotional response within you, even though your mind is saying go, do this you. You have to have that ability to say okay wait a minute.
Speaker 1That's not the right thing to do at this time.
Speaker 2As far as physical actions, yes, Correct yeah. But as far as allowing yourself to have those emotions, you definitely don't want to put the brakes on that. You definitely don't want to pump the brakes on having the emotion. You want to pump the brakes if you're wanting to act upon that anger in such a way that will cause you not to live within the confines of the laws that you have agreed to play in.
Speaker 1Yeah, I agree. I agree, Owning your emotions is okay to play in.
Speaker 2Yeah, I agree, I agree, owning your emotions is okay. You know, on this planet, whether you're currently existing on the three-dimensional realm or four or five, because those are all very prominent and going on, on each one of those Earths, earths there is an underlying um, I guess set of rules that you've agreed to abide by yeah, like the laws of the government, the laws of the whatever, and acting upon that, anger against those laws, will bring about definitely a challenging journey that will bring you to a place of evolution.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2It just might not be the most pleasant way to go about it.
Speaker 1You know I was reading on that gamma level stuff and they're comparing it to the alpha level that we put ourselves into. Wait a minute, is it theta Theta level that we put ourselves into ourselves, into women? Is theta theta level that we put ourselves into? Because the gamma level and how they? On the description that the guy gave on this, on what I was reading, so the theta is a very deep level. That I, maybe it was beta into when I hypnotize you and so beta.
Speaker 2And so the alpha and the beta are the initial levels.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 2Alpha is what we walk around in pretty much the majority of the day, beta is.
Speaker 1When you watch a TV and stuff. Yeah, when you're driving when you're. And so what the description on there was, comparing gamma to beta. Let me clarify, because in the example they gave on it was is you take a martial arts expert?
Speaker 1yeah and he is a third degree black belt, yada, yada, yada. And then you bring in somebody that has that is new at it, but still a black belt. The difference is the time span by which they switch from alpha to beta for the responses of why the third degree black belt wins, when this black belt over here knows everything that this guy knows. Because black belt is black belt, it's just. The degrees are different levels of reactions and, like the so it was it was kind of plain to see that the time span as you become more practiced in it is what makes you better at it yeah, I mean, that's definitely a rabbit hole topic too, that's fun to explore, because that's all time really is.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2It gives us an opportunity to experience the steps within the process. Ain't nobody got, I did that. It feels so good, it feels really good. Right Is part of the enjoyment in anything that you learn to do or anything that you go through and achieve. So we put that time in place for ourselves for that purpose.
Speaker 1Yes, you know the where the point I was getting to is and why. And then I know where our podcast is about hope. The reason why is because I wanted to educate people.
Speaker 2Who the heck is hope.
Speaker 1Make people understand that the gamma level is the spot where you get angry at, because it's an unconscious response to a conscious matter.
Speaker 2It can be. When you practice it enough, you can feel it coming.
Speaker 1Yeah right.
Speaker 2And you can acknowledge its arrival, and then you can sit with it and marinate in its existence.
Speaker 1And so I know this may sound weird to say, but where people can get hope at is by going in their subconscious mind and turning that little dial up for a faster response identifying the anger quicker, identifying the depression quicker, identifying the despair quicker, so you can sit with it quicker and get the hope out of it, right, I mean, I think part of that.
Speaker 2So, if we dial it down just a little bit, part of that is, first of all, getting to a place where you allow the emotion to happen yes, only emotion by by allowing it to happen and not boxing it in or keeping yourself from having the emotion, regardless of what its name is, is reminding you of what the frequency of that emotion is, because remembering that the multiverse and everything is based on frequency.
Speaker 2So learning what the frequencies, the different frequencies are of things, is a very key component to understanding our entire existence, the multiverse and everything, right? So first being aware that you're having the emotion and allowing yourself to have it, yeah, will open up a space of learning. Okay, what, what does that feel like? What does that frequency feel like? You don't even have to know that you're in gamma, you don't even have to know that anger lives at a frequency of about 20 hertz. You don't have to know those details, just knowing what it feels like in your body, because each person's physical body is going to exhibit that in a certain way, because you've created a certain language with your own body and it's not going to be the same for every single person, like for me. When I get intensely angry, I tend to feel mine in my digestive tract.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2You know, like I'll get kind of like an almost heartburn burning sensation, and sometimes it'll go into nausea, depending on how deep the anger is. Yeah, but then other people may experience it as a headache or trembling or whatever. And so, whatever your language is that you've created with the body, some people may not even have any physical experiences with it because they've boxed it up for so long and ignored it for so long. Yeah, this anger, this is what it feels like. Then, once you know what it feels like on a kind of like a vibrational frequency level.
Speaker 2It will help you navigate the rest of the emotions and navigate that scale and then from there the next step is is you will get to a point where you say you will get to a point where you say, okay, you know what that did make me angry. I know that it made me angry, but the positive and exciting thing is I know that on the other side of anger could be frustration or could be neutrality.
Speaker 1And from there I know that I'm going to go into a place of peace. Yes, happiness. You know the joy, the the really cool part about all this is through my studies, through. It is how they're measuring emotional wavelengths in the brain.
Speaker 2Now, yeah, it's so funny that you bring this up, because Because that was what I was reading this morning the oscillating frequencies.
Speaker 1Of the emotions.
Speaker 2That was well, just of energy, and then it tied it into emotions and the doctor that created that chart back in the 1800s. In 1880, dr David wish I could call his last name actually started exploring what hurts the emotions were on, and so even back then they were beginning to explore that and identify that each of those emotions holds a frequency oh, yeah, I know that and they do.
Speaker 1It's actually you can read it now scientific, scientifically, they have studied it through the eegs and yeah and those things, to where it actually marries into the areas of the levels of consciousness right, and then I.
Speaker 2And then from there what happens is you'll start to notice that when you're in an emotional frequency, you'll see the people around you change. You will see like if you're in a conversation and it gets heated and you immediately go into anger. You can see the interaction escalate.
Speaker 2But, then, if you're aware that you're getting angry and you're putting that energy out, you'll get to a place where you can catch yourself and say, oh, you know what, this is taking the conversation in a direction I don't want to go, so let me bring my own energy down. Come to a calm place so I can deescalate the situation. Then you'll see the other person, or people, begin to calm and deescalate and the energy of the room change.
Speaker 1Yes, totally agree.
Speaker 2That is something you can definitely witness and play with In the spiritual world, in the fun world.
Speaker 1We know that like attracts, like Energy attracts energy, everything attracts energy, and so the example and we're all connected. And we're all connected. I agree. The part to identify within that is the conversation I just had in my class last week was is if you take two magnets, magnets have a positive side and negative side.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And if you put the two positive sides together, what happens? They pop together, they pop right together and you take the negative side to the positive side and it'll throw it away.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And that's where magnetic forces come to play. Now you can take the two negatives and put them together and it will stick together. But you can't put positive to negative and negative to positive.
Speaker 1It has to be negative to negative or positive to positive yeah and that's how you stack magnets and when they, when you are in that vibrational frequency of despair or anger or whatever it is, your hope is in the fact that you're going to change from negative to positive really soon as you move up the ladder and then you're going to start attracting more of that positivity, because that's how nature works.
Speaker 2Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1It's completely how it works Like, for example, too is what I'm learning, because I'm just for the first time experiencing the houseplant things and I'm starting to grow plants yeah, we're plant parenthood. Yeah, we're in plant parenthood right now. I've never been able to grow anything other than weed, but we are now in the….
Speaker 2Disclaimer we don't currently grow weed.
Harnessing Emotions for Growth
Speaker 1No, no, I don't grow weed. How I grew it back then was I dc we are good on that topic. Moving on, we don't want the dea part, but but the um, what I've learned in that is you have some plants that will grow well with others and some that will not grow well with others. Yeah, and so will not grow well with others yeah.
Speaker 1And so like, for example, I have what I think they call it a freckle plant. I don't even really know their names. We give them names, but I don't know what kind of plants they are, we give them their own names. But the one I call the speckle plant, because they have a green leaf with a white speckle-y. Look on them.
Speaker 1Yeah plant, because they have a green leaf with a white speckle leaf. Look on them. Yeah, and I call them speckle plants. It grows well with a tropical plant, which is what I put in there by nature. I didn't even know that, I just kind of did it right.
Speaker 2Well, and that's because, on a subconscious level, when you're, when you're humanly out of your way and you're going along your day, you're reading frequencies a billion, trillion, gazillion, giggle, zillion times a second.
Speaker 1Gigatillion, giggle-tillion.
Speaker 2Giggle-tillion. That's a lot. It is a bunch. And naturally, or air quote, intuitively you will do things, yeah, such as choosing the two plants that will live very well and complement each other.
Speaker 1You're reading that, that energy you know, I started to put the blue flowerly plant and with the other plants down on the bottom left one, the red ones, and when I was in the process of doing it I was like, yeah, no, that's not going to work Right. And then the lady that came and looked at the plants for me told me yeah, you can't put that one with that one, because that one will kill that one, it'll choke it out.
Speaker 2See, and that was just you reading the energy of that vibrationally.
Speaker 1And that gave me hope that I was doing it right.
Speaker 2That you would be a good plant parent.
Speaker 1Yeah, I would be a good plant parent and not one that just kills everything You're doing so good. They're actually doing well.
Speaker 2They are. They're doing very well. We have two very large fellas called Bo and Luke.
Speaker 1Yeah, one's a dragon tree and one is a corn tree and one is a corn tree.
Speaker 2Yeah, a corn, something tree. And they were adopted from the plant orphanage.
Speaker 1The orphanage at Ikea.
Speaker 2At Ikea.
Speaker 1They were in the clearance area and they were dying.
Speaker 2Well the funny story is that we actually thought they were fake.
Speaker 1We did.
Speaker 2We went in there to get fake plants for our patio when we redid our patio and I think we talked about this in the podcast, but now it's almost like they're attached to each other.
Speaker 1Yeah, you keep them together or they don't like it.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's like whenever we try to put them in different locations. One Luke especially. He's very attached to Bo. And he gets very sad and droopy if we separate them, which I find very comical.
Speaker 1Yeah, it is kind of funny.
Speaker 2Luke got a big haircut yesterday. He did.
Speaker 1I had to over water him a little bit and I think it kind of put him in a shock and the cold. We left him outside and it was cold.
Speaker 2Well, he was quite damaged when we got him.
Speaker 1He did have a lot of damage From his travels. Yeah, he came with a suitcase full of problems.
Speaker 2He did, so we had to lighten his load.
Speaker 1But I think he's doing. He looks much perkier the last two days.
Speaker 2He looks better today.
Speaker 1He looks a lot better, but anyway so the hope behind it in our podcast is to understand the levels of all these stuff that goes on, and especially the emotions stuff that goes on in, especially the emotions. The, the emotional guidance system is there for a reason and you should own it and own the emotion to come up with it and understand that the hope behind everything is you know, it's a ladder, it goes up and as you hit more things you may drop back down a little bit. Then you go up, you know, and that's okay. Your goal is to keep yourself on the six and up. Well, your goal is to the yourself on the six and up.
Speaker 2Well, your goal is to the true goal, because we don't want to get tangled up in having an expectation that we've got to stay in a high vibrational state right, yeah, I agree, yeah, because I shouldn't have said it that way the reality of it is we come onto this earth for the experiences of having the emotions, so the true goal is embracing that, every single emotion on each and every topic and experience has value, because you came in wanting to experience the reality that you're creating at that moment.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2And so understanding that you've created the reality that you're experiencing and that it is happening for you not to you and that the emotions will fluctuate based on the experience that you chose to have. Because you wanted to experience that emotion Agreed, because you wanted to experience that emotion Around that topic, from that perspective, on that degree of existence.
Speaker 1So there's your hope is knowing that you are the one that created it and that you have control of it, and so you're in control of it.
Speaker 2That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1And so the hope within it is to understand that I created this, I accept it and now I'm going to move on from it. And that level by which it gives you hope is that I created this, so you're in control of it. Really, yeah, You're ultimately in the control.
Speaker 2You can choose to continue to experience it yeah, or you can choose to acknowledge that. Okay, you know what I experienced it. I'm complete with that. I'm ready to put it on the historical shelf in the universal library and move on. Yep, and then move on and don't get caught up in a habitual loop of continuing to re-experience it if you don't want to Right or don't dwell on it unless you want to. Right.
Speaker 1And there's really no, you know, in my opinion of it, if it's on the bottom of the ladder, there's no need to dwell on any of it. It's just know that the hope of your hope is. I created this, I experienced it, I own it.
Speaker 2Now, moving on, and so let's briefly just visit some techniques that can help get to that, let's do it man.
Speaker 2Yeah. So if you find that you keep seeing or experiencing in your reality a scenario that you're not enjoying and you've come to a place where you acknowledge, okay, I see the contrast and I am not enjoying it and I would really look for it to change. But then you go to bed, you wake up and poof, the contrast is still there and you're like dang it. I thought I, I thought I worked on that belief or those beliefs, damn it's still there.
Speaker 2Take an erasable marker and draw over the Sharpie and then erase it and it will magically disappear.
Speaker 1I know I was today years old when I learned that I was like what the heck it does work? Yeah, it does On any permanent marker.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1You can take a dry erase marker and run it over top of it and erase it, right, maybe you wipe it off. You have to wipe it off.
Speaker 2Anyway. So techniques that you can utilize would be ask yourself this question first of all and I am a big, big believer in writing it down until you get to that point where you've practiced your methods so thoroughly that you don't have to write things down anymore what do I have to believe, what do I continue to choose to believe to be true in order for this to keep appearing in my reality, would be one question you could ask. Yes, another way you could ask it, or an additional question would be have I learned everything that I wanted to learn from having this experience? And then go through and list what have you learned, identify those on an aware state of mind, agreed, and not just leave it in the subconscious. Really visit that and really explore that and get honest and clear on what did I learn from that experience?
Speaker 2Yes, honest and clear on what did I learn from that experience, so that you can make a grocery list, basically of um, getting to know what. What did you learn? Because sometimes doing that exercise by itself will bring you to that place of oh, okay, now that I've acknowledged and really brought to the forefront of my mind what I did learn from it, positive and negative, then that belief will dissolve instantaneously. Yes, and what I find for myself is is, once I ask those two questions, what works best for me is the secondary question of okay, what is it that I did learn, what is it that I did take away from that, and am I finished with it? And that belief just instantaneously dissolves. It's almost challenging to even remember what the topic was.
Speaker 1It happens to me a lot.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's almost hard to even retrieve it back.
Speaker 1I knew I was upset yesterday, but I don't know why.
Speaker 2Yeah, and so that for me, based on the language that I've created within my process, is the biggest indicator that, okay, that belief has either dissolved and been replaced by something else, or I've gotten that one rewritten to a place where it is beneficial for my next level of experience.
Speaker 1Yes, 100%.
Speaker 2And so those would be two techniques that I would explore.
Speaker 1I think another technique that we can add to that is to understand, because the majority of the time, I would say, we have things that come up because we are a accepting of something somebody else did or, b we're expecting somebody else to do something. And I think the other process that we can identify is understanding that you control nobody but you.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, and I think there's a third, I think there's a C.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Having.
Speaker 1That would be a D, by the way, because you did two and I did one. Okay, I did C, okay, whatever. Can't you see that?
Speaker 2Whatever letter of the alphabet we're on. Yeah, if you have a very stern expectation or insistence upon how something must look, that can kind of keep you trapped in it, as well, yeah, that's limiting. And so go ahead. I just wanted to throw that one in there.
Speaker 1You know, I think talking about controlling other people or expecting other people to do things. A you can have an expectation that's not communicated. Expecting other people to do things A is you can't have an expectation that's not communicated. And B you, no matter what scenario, no matter what scenario, you cannot control anybody else's reality and you can give them options. You can tell them things. You can. You can be putting yourself out there or or say or you can say I expect you to do this or I want you to do that, but it's still their choice.
Speaker 2Yes, and it's none of your business what they do.
Speaker 1That's right. It is totally not your control, not your business, and you make a choice to stay in that scenario or you don't. Just like they make a choice to accept what you said or they don't.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1Or what your expectation is, and when you can come to a greater understanding that you're. The only reality that you control is your own, and people are in your bubble because, a you put them there and, b because they choose to be there. And so, even if your, your girlfriend or boyfriend does something, or your husband or your wife or your son or whatever they, if you do, they do something to you that angers you or puts you in that lower level vibration of the emotional guidance system, you have to stop and find your part in it and give yourself the hope to understand why you're doing that and that you control nobody else's reality and you should remove that from your expectations or from their things, because you don't control them. You only control yours.
Speaker 2Yeah, that is true, and sometimes that's very hard when you're in a relationship or if you're at work.
Speaker 1Oh yeah.
Speaker 2It's very hard to have to, so to speak.
Speaker 1Deal with their shenanigans.
Speaker 2Eat that crap sandwich. But just remembering that you get to choose how you feel If it's a task that you've negotiated in your job description, for example, in an environment where you work for a company you negotiated to do that.
Speaker 1Agreed.
Speaker 2And if it's getting to a place where it just is not feeling good or you're not in agreeance anymore, you get to make that choice Still it still is your choice of how you are looking at it.
Speaker 2We use the word perceive a lot, so I thought I'd change it up. And so, if you can, if, if you're not in a place where you're ready to release that particular job, or even if you want to hang on to it, you can definitely teach yourself how to look at it differently. Whatever the topic is Same, in the relationship together as partners, you're going to go through your individual journeys at different paces because you're not always going to be at the same pace.
Speaker 2You're not always going to vibrate at the same frequency, because you're having not only a collective, united journey, but you're also having individual journeys within that.
Speaker 1I totally agree. And that's where everybody loses it. Right there, they lose the fact that they're still on their own journey and they go to.
Embracing Individual Journeys in Relationships
Speaker 1Both of them will dive into create, co-creating a single journey and forget that they're on individual journeys then expectations and all that stuff comes up and, like we just said, you don't control anybody else as a reality and so that causes, you know, after the the honeymoon, what they say, that what the honeymoon period is over, that can cause a whole lot of dissension in a relationship yeah, especially if you have this expectation or this societal definition that you're supposed to be vibrating at the same frequency, all the time and at the same pace yes then you're going to expect for your partner to do and act in certain ways, and they may not even be able to because they're not there yet.
Speaker 1Totally agree.
Speaker 2And getting to a place where you can find the peace within yourself of letting them be where they are and understanding that they're not doing anything to you. They're just where they are and you coming to a place of, okay, they are where they are and all I can control is me.
Speaker 1Not my bubble, not my business. It's societal, taught and because people go into relationships and society has taught them, y'all have to merge everything. Once you get married, everything has to be together. You should do everything together, la la la. And you have individual lives and journeys and it makes zero sense If you stop thinking about it. Y'all fell in love because of the places that you were and so, hey, let's just change, let's get married, let's change everything up and then create one journey instead of having two that are coming together.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And it's just, it's kind of it's a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 2Disaster, you know, and back in the day that was created that way.
Speaker 1I agree.
Speaker 2The challenge within the game was okay, how do we take two individuals? I'm going to go down a rabbit hole for a second Back in the day. Part of the game was to take two individuals who are on their individual journeys and come together with another being called a human and figure out how to merge and have a united journey yeah and essentially they did figure out how to do that I want a black toaster each gender had to give up certain components and certain aspects, and each individual had to compromise on certain beliefs and patterns.
Speaker 2And so what it did is it created a beautiful opportunity for people to work through definitions, beliefs, patterns and programs at that level of the game. That's right. But as a whole, as an all that is, we have ascended past that concept and now we're playing the game it's very exciting of how to allow a triad or a three-dimensional relationship come into being. So you're learning how to not only let an individual in the group have their individual journey, but also, at the same time, creating a united journey. And so that's doing two things. One, it's allowing us to experience relationships on an ascended level, the next level of the game. Relationships on an ascended level, yes, the next level of the game. But two, what it's doing for the collective is it is showing us how existence is happening. Simultaneously, it's exposing us to that concept a little baby bite at a time.
Speaker 2Yes at a time, and so we're, we're evolving to that place of thinning the veil between having a linear time space reality to having that awareness that things are happening simultaneously and all at the same time.
Speaker 1Okay, so yeah, the the ascended level of that thought is is really where people should put them into in the belief system behind what they're doing.
Speaker 2If they can mimic what you just said perfectly, hey, they're going to have a great world is the opportunity and the hope of having a great world anyway because you go into it knowing that all of this is happening for you and the exciting childlike exploration is that wow, yeah, this is really uncomfortable, but I know. Around the corner there is much growth and growth is always exciting, totally. And coming out on the other side of it, being able to look back and say you know what, that was tough but by golly I did that I did it.
Speaker 1That was really good.
Speaker 2I made it through it yeah, and it feels really good and and it just is it's part of the process. We like that way that feels.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I think everything we're describing today, where people get their hope from, is understanding that they're in control.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1They're in control of their reality.
Speaker 2Yeah, for sure. And understanding that the goal was never to come here and find your way to bliss and then just hang out there.
Speaker 1Yeah, because then you don't learn anything and have no experiences.
Speaker 2Well, I mean, your natural state of being is bliss. Yes, I agree, you go back to your natural state of being when you kick the bucket. Then you go back to bliss, where none of this contrast exists. So you already know what bliss feels like, and so it would not be a very expanded experience.
Speaker 1Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2So you're going to go up and down that scale.
Speaker 1Correct and what a big. You know this is a really big topic and with hope and I think where a lot of people mess up is we've been societally taught that we have to do certain things in our life and realize that we don't have to do these things that society teaches us. We can do whatever we want, how we want to do them, as long as we follow by the contractual obligations of ourself and of the world we're living in. And when you empower yourself to understand, you, control your reality, it gives you more hope. Yourself to understand, you, control your reality, it gives you more hope. And so when you're in that, in that realm of of I'm unhappy, I'm depressed, I'm, I don't understand what's going on. Why does this keep happening to me? Pull yourself away for a moment and say is it really that bad?
Speaker 2I mean, sometimes you can't even get there, honestly, when you're in that true despair, bottom of the bucket and and and.
Speaker 2So if we're going to talk about tiny little baby steps for a second, just if you, if you're in that moment of despair and literally the next best feeling thing is to lay in the bed and mope or cry, or just lay in the bed and not be able to get out of the bed, then allow yourself to do that with the freedom of judgment, because if that's where you are, then that's where you are. But if you're going to sit there and criticize yourself of oh here I am laying in the bed again, I can't even get up and get a shower, I can't even and you're criticizing yourself, you're just piling more garbage on top of your despair.
Speaker 2I'm such a bad person because I can't get out of bed. Today, getting to a place where you're allowing the despair to be just the same as you're allowing the anger to be, and if the best feeling place you can find in that moment is giving yourself permission to lay in the bed, yeah, agreed. That in and of itself is growth and expansion, because you're you've gotten to a place where you can allow yourself to lay in the bed and mope without self-criticizing or hearing that motherly voice say you're so lazy, get up out of the bed get out of the bed or fatherly or whatever are you gonna sleep all day voices in your head husband, wife, whatever, getting to a place where you just are giving yourself permission to be where you are yeah, no matter
Speaker 2what the title of it is. That is a very huge step and in that by itself will be very freeing and that will change your vibrational frequency. Just giving yourself permission to be in despair for a minute will actually elevate you to that place of hope very quickly, because what holds you in the despair is that criticizing, judgmental monkey mind of the conversation or the inner dialogue of how bad of a person you are for being where you're at.
Speaker 1Correct, I agree. And the last thing I want to say, because I feel pretty complete, is just know that you are loved, because Jenny and I love you. If you don't believe it, call us, we'll talk to you. Call that number on our website, we'll talk to you. We ain't got no problem with that.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, you have a purpose, you are part of the puzzle and you are loved.
Speaker 1Yep, I agree. Do you feel complete?
Speaker 2part of the puzzle and and you are loved.
Speaker 1Yep, I agree. Do you feel complete? Yeah, I am good. All right, he didn't. Hey guys, I appreciate everybody listening. Um, we hope that this podcast gave you a little bit of understanding where you can find hope when you're not in a good mood or you're depressed or you feel down or you feel like your life is not in the right place. We hope it did give you hope.
Speaker 2One fun thing to do would be to order you a little cardboard luggage. They have these little boxes that look like luggage, yeah, and put in that little piece of luggage something that brings about that feeling Like a little tiny picture of somebody or a little tiny fuzzy ball, something that makes you feel good. And it's a light luggage which reminds you to be light about it and be fun, loving. But it also helps bring with you tools that could very quickly and easily pop you out of that place if you find yourself in that place.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay. What do you do with the luggage when you put your little stuff in it?
Speaker 2You put it in your purse, you turn it around with you.
Speaker 1Okay, I get it. Okay, kind of like a good luck charm. You know we talk about having luggage.
Speaker 2Okay, and we talk about having the heavy luggage that you're dragging around. Okay, I understand now this is a little cardboard box that looks like a like a suitcase.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And so being able to put a little picture of your child or your grandchild or, uh, you know, some little like a little fuzzy rabbit that feels good when you rub on it something in the little box. And that feels good when you rub on it something in the little box. And the symbology of it is that this particular piece of luggage that has my tricks to conquer despair. It's light, and so it's a reminder to stay light and not get too heavy with it, but then it also holds the tools that can possibly help pop you out of that moment when you get triggered back into the hopelessness or the despair places.
Speaker 1Get it. Okay, I understand now. Yeah, I was a little confused for a moment.
Speaker 2Anyway, hey, I'm complete.
Speaker 1Okay, now you're complete. Okay, hey guys, I appreciate y'all listening. Don't forget to look us up on our website at wwwthemerccentersorg, and our social media is the Merck at the Merck centers. That's M E R C, c, e N T E R S and, uh, that's our website as well. Give us a call, don't, do not hesitate to give us a call, put a comment, email, whatever, and you can get our email through our website. You can comment on these, on these podcasts, and don't just reach out, if you need us, we're here.
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