The Spiritual Grind

Choose Your Operating System Or It Chooses You

• Dr. Jenni and Rev. James • Season 3 • Episode 11

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A grocery-store blood pressure cuff read 106/74 and, quietly, a chapter closed. After two strokes, a brain bleed, and months of unexplained symptoms from chronic mold and radon exposure, we realized the loudest part of our recovery wasn’t medical—it was mental. We had absorbed other people’s predictions, worn them like a uniform, and rehearsed fear until it felt like fact. The moment we stopped feeding that loop, our bodies found room to breathe.

We unpack how mycotoxins colonize differently for each person—sinuses and voice for one, muscles and digestion for the other—and why mold often hides behind allergy labels. We talk candidly about testing, misdiagnosis, and the gray space where protocols help but narratives harm. From there, we tackle pedestal thinking: the habit of handing our power to experts, creators, or step-by-step blueprints. Textbooks and algorithms evolve; your nervous system and beliefs are the real operating system. Update that, and everything else recalibrates.

Our toolkit is simple and stubborn: awareness when reality stops working, accountability when patterns repeat, and five-minute acts that rebuild trust—walking without narrating doom, writing one honest journal prompt, touching a dormant craft until it hums again. We share the practices that shifted us from follower mode to leader mode, the mindset that let anger dissolve, and the playful tools we’re building—books on inner reality design and monetizing purpose, plus a metaphysical app that teaches belief work through quests, potions, and alchemy. Healing can be structured and light at the same time.

If this resonates, press play. Then take one small step your future self can thank you for. Subscribe, share with someone stuck in a fear loop, and leave a review to help others find their way back to their own script.

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 mindset shift

stroke recovery

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the Spiritual Grind.

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Good morning.

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We are back in the mobile studio and our second video.

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Yeah.

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It went well.

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Are you supposed to clap?

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No, I already took care of that.

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Oh.

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But yeah, just working on how to get it all tied together is not easy. It took me a minute.

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Clap on, clap off.

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That's an old studio trick. We used to do it when we were when we would uh synchronize or sequence videos or audio when you were doing the in the on the radio station.

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Right.

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And so you you clap right at the beginning of it, and that way we know when to turn it on.

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Ah.

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And so we can because you can we'd always be running the audio in our headphones while we were talking. And so we could when we got to the club, we knew to stop.

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I see.

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And that's it's an old studio trick.

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Ah.

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To synchronize your audio.

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Synchronize the audio.

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Well, so I'm not having coffee today.

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I'm having my smoothie.

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Oh, that's good for you.

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I for some reason got up early, so I'm already done with my coffee. What the hell was that all about?

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I don't know. Well, I don't know. It's kind of I was woke up too. I woke up at 4 15. That's crazy.

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I was not long after you.

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Well, you were awake when I got up.

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I yeah, but I mean to actually get out of bed.

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I don't know. It's kind of 4 30. Yeah, we just don't ever know when when uh we're gonna we're you know, the world wakes us up for some reason. We just don't know why. That happens randomly.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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But anyway, did you have a topic today?

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No, you know me. I just kind of go with the flow. No topic, no scripts.

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Just I have a good one, I think.

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Winging it, man.

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Just wing it. We don't do scripts, just so you'll know. We don't do scripts.

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Nope.

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We do this. Take it off the cuff, man. We keep getting the the podcast people sending us stuff that we're supposed to talk about because of our genre and all that stuff, and we're like, yeah. We'll put it in the description. We're not gonna we're not gonna script anything.

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Not to be confused with the John. The John. Which is where you do number one or number two.

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Oh, I get it. Was that supposed to be a witty joke?

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It was probably just a Jinny joke that nobody ever gets except for me.

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It's kind of funny.

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I mean, we're laughing inside here, man.

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We are, yeah. I imagine all 12 of your personalities are all laughing together. But anyway, so are you ready for the topic of the day?

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Do tell.

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Are you sure you're ready for it?

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Oh yeah.

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Okay, I know it's a good one. You know what I want to talk about today is Do I need my balls? I don't know. Do you want your balls?

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Uh yeah, maybe. Just since you have that one handy. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the ball. The ball. It's one of many.

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It's one of many.

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This is one of my beauties. This is quartz. I have a selenite one. Also known as selenite.

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Selenite.

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Depending on your pronunciation where you're from. Preference.

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You know, that is the uh topic of the day, kinda, actually. Not the minerals, but the energy behind things that we take on.

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Okay.

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You know, and here's a prime example. You know, uh I had my health event back in November. So y'all don't know. If you didn't know it, I had two strokes at a brain bleed back in November. I'm good. Which is why I'm a little bit slower processing at times and I have a hard time finding the words sometimes like I used to, but I'm getting way better. But the energy behind that is very much lay down and lick your wounds.

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Right. But before you get started though, yesterday we had a really, really good turning point.

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Oh, yeah, totally.

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So every time we go to the grocery store, he likes to play on the blood pressure machine. I chalk it up as, you know, that child who likes to play with the machine. Pepsi. You tell them not to. So every time we go shopping, he has to get on the blood pressure machine, even before his health event.

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Yeah, I just always like to know because for many years I was 110 over 70 on my blood pressure all the time.

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Did you play with it when you were a child?

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Every time I went to the grocery store.

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Right, exactly, didn't we all?

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Yeah.

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And we got in trouble. You're not supposed to play with that. Don't play with the blood pressure machine.

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Yeah, I remember they were it was You just couldn't help it, man. They used to have them like all over Walmart, if you remember. Back in the day, they were everywhere. There weren't just it wasn't just one of them.

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Right.

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They were everywhere.

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And as a kid, you just couldn't help it. Anyway, so yesterday you sat down to play with your machine.

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I did. And took the lowest blood the lowest blood pressure that I have taken. Oh my gosh, in a long time.

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Right. We need some applause.

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Oh, yeah. My blood pressure was 106 over 74.

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Yay. Beautiful. Beautiful.

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Back almost back down to normal all the time.

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Yeah.

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Don't know why it was even up in the first place. Right. Who cares? As long as I uh didn't adhere to the energy of the common human.

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Right.

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Because every time I looked into things, trying to figure it out, because even the doctors couldn't really explain what had happened for absolutely no reason. We have a pretty good idea what happened, but you know, we can't talk about it. But what the energy behind it is.

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I can talk about it.

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The energy behind all of it is uh lay down, lick lick your wounds, you know, you'll never be the same. And and I got news for you that if you listen to that stuff in any part of your life, if you if you research things and you've somehow align with the energy behind of negativity behind all anything like that. I don't care what it is, like money, health, uh relationships, if you align with something, then the negative energy is going to come up because I was aligning with that negative crap.

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Yeah, so I can talk about it because I didn't sign any papers.

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Yeah, no. Uh I can't. I can. I know, but I'm on this.

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But if you don't say anything.

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But anyway, so well, I mean, as long as you don't say the name, you're you're good.

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We were so we were uh chronically exposed to several different kinds of ill-causing mold and uh over a span of about three years and radon. And we are still recuperating from the exposure to that.

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Yeah, the mycotoxins in your system is what caused the what caused the problems.

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That's right. Because I I am talking about it because I want people to be aware. Because until this event happened, mold to me wasn't considered or defined as dangerous in my proverbial dictionary.

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Right.

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Because okay, so we have a little mold, let's clean it up with a little bleach or whatever and move on.

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Right. And contrary to popular belief, own there's only a few molds that you can actually smell.

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Right.

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We have learned a lot. There's a ton of mold out there. Um every every state has a different kind.

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Yeah.

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And and there's only three or four that can actually be smelled by the human nose.

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Right. And um, so we were uh were exposed over a span of three years. Yeah.

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And uh it caused unknown health issues.

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Made, yeah. I mean, during it, we spent a lot of time trying to figure out what was making us sick.

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Yeah. Um I went through so much trying to figure out why I felt bad.

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Uh leaving our place of employment over it. Um and still to this day are still going through uh recovery.

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Yeah.

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And it's so it's a it's a big deal.

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Yeah, that sudden takes nine to sixteen months to get it out of your muscles.

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It is not uh it's it's not small stuff, man.

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Anyway, there is a uh if which what everybody needs to understand about it, first of all, is it builds up in your system. It's not something it uh people think it's allergies.

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Right.

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And it because it that's what happened to me. I I went to my allergist and they did all these testing, couldn't find anything I was allergic to. And it builds up in your system, so it pro and it progressively gets worse. That's right. Because it it stores in the body because your body don't know what to do with it.

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Well, and I want to say this too, it does different things in different people.

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It does.

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For you, it was like upper respiratory, vocal cords, ears. You went to the ENT, got scoped like every every two weeks.

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Uh for almost the entire year they scoped it.

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For me, where it is uh targeting is in my muscles and in my digestive tract.

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Yeah.

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And uh and somewhat in my breathing.

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Because your body does not digest it, just so y'all know. That's right. And does not process it. So it will actually colonize in different areas of the body.

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That's right. And then you'll have symptoms according to where it's colonizing. And then yours was upper respiratory sinus, mine's been digestive. And so I literally uh lost the hair on my legs, I lost my eyelashes, like my hair is already getting thin in my head. Right. I I couldn't eat.

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I gained weight, which is weird for me.

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Right.

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I normally stay 194, nope, gained about 25 pounds.

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Muscle fatigue, yeah, illness.

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You know, it does mimic a lot of different things. And so if you're having weird symptoms that you can't understand and your doctor and your doctor or herbalist or whatever, you can't seem to figure it out, go get tested. Yeah, explore it. Check it out because you'll find out that it is it is very dangerous and it needs to be studied again.

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And it won't make you sick. And the thing is, is it doesn't have a standard set of symptoms. Nope. It can mimic everything from a head cold to a uh full-on stroke. Yeah, it can mimic all of that. If you do any research or any reading, it just depends on where it's gonna uh show up in an individual's body.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh but like you said, we signed up for the journey. If we if we circle back around and bring it back to our spiritual talks, we signed up for the journey. We don't know why yet.

SPEAKER_03:

Haven't been discovered yet.

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Um it just has been a definite journey.

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I think the thing for me that created this negative thought process for me is all of the crap I have been through in my life, and I came right out of it. Yeah. And then something that I couldn't see, smell, taste, dust, touch, taste, any of that stuff attacked me.

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Right.

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And I couldn't do anything about it. I didn't know. I tried. I mean, I tried countless times.

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I think for me, uh it's the same, but in addition to that, it attacked me in my safe space. I at my home.

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Yeah.

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And that's, you know, my home has always been kind of my sanctuary, and I make sure I don't bring negative energy into the space, I make sure the space is clear. So you did every so we have all these beautiful stones and crystals about just to create a really yummy space, and for that to happen in my home, I think was the biggest thing for me because I've always prided myself in having that realistic, peaceful sanctuary in in the home, even when I was raising the kids, and you know, even when we were living in a traditional home, we've always had crystals about Burning Sage doing the whole, you know, whatever just to make it a safe space.

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Yeah. For some reason my camera quit working.

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Maybe we have the non-physical.

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I don't know. It didn't make any dang sense. Why did it turn off? But anyway, I'll just go.

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Did you turn it back on?

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Yeah, it's working on it. For some reason it shut off. I don't know what it did or why it did.

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We're still learning the whole live video thing.

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Anyway, so I don't really know. I don't know why it shut off. But it was I just checked it a minute ago and it was running just fine.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, so we obviously should move on and stop talking about it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so negative. So behind it was and then everything you look of you when you look up strokes and what causes strokes and blah blah blah blah blah, everything was negative. You know, it was all pretty much it directs to the person.

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Yeah.

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Like there's something they're doing wrong and something. But for me, it wasn't me doing anything wrong.

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Right.

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It was me doing me. I was just being me. But for some reason my blood pressure kept going up. And even at the hospital, the neurologist was like, I can't tell you why it happened. They put me through all this testing, but you're gonna heal, you're gonna be fine. We don't know why. And it and that's kind of a that's a hard pill to swallow, and it'll make you mad.

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Yeah, not knowing the why.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, not knowing the why. Because everybody wants the why. Why did this happen to me?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, especially when it's a traumatic event, you want to know the why.

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That was a very weird thing.

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I'm here to tell you. Sometimes you don't get the why at all. Sometimes you don't get it right away, sometimes you don't even get it at all.

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The negative part of it was is it was the anger inside of me.

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Yeah.

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And the anger it cultivated this negative every time I would look at things. You know, when I would look something up and it would I would get mad about it. And but what happened was is I started looking at why I kept I was carrying on symptoms that the doctors say I shouldn't be carrying on.

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Right.

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And so I finally worked on it a little bit and I didn't conform to what they were saying. I didn't believe it. Didn't believe any of it. I don't believe it'll happen again.

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Yeah.

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Now I was. I was like, because I was fearful of it constantly.

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Right.

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Which which being fearful raises your blood pressure.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, not only that, but it can bring up you know, if you're fearful of something and you're like, damn it, I know this is not gonna consume me, right? That can bring on anger.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh yeah, totally. And it did. It made on lots of it, it made in lots of anger inside of me.

SPEAKER_00:

Especially when you go through life and you've conquered the fear beast.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yeah.

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And something happens and brings it back around.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, because I was literally fearful of absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I mean, we we live our life primarily that way, at least until this happened, and it reminded us that maybe we're not quite as fear-free as we thought we were.

SPEAKER_03:

You know, and that was the the thing for me is working through the process of working through the fear.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Understanding the emotional ladder. Yeah. And the frequencies behind it. And when I got to the point of I was just kind of like, man, I'm just gonna I I gotta quit. I gotta quit.

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Yeah.

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I gotta quit. I gotta move, I gotta live on. And uh, that was uh probably about two weeks ago now. I quit looking at anything. I just like, you know, forget it. I'm not gonna check into this. If if I'm gonna go on from this life, it's I'm gonna go on. It's just I I I can't keep running this system of negative and this loop of complete negative energy constantly. Yeah because that's what I was doing. I was I was walking around in fear, and that's not me at all.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

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I'm never fearful. And so it changed the way I was operating my life, and I just finally like I threw the towel in. You know, I I threw the flag and we uh you know, we did a personal foul, you know, we moved on.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

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And and then what happened yesterday was a complete, I think, um chapter close. Not just a chapter close, but it was the uh execution of getting rid of the negative and the fear.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, uh like a whole reality shift.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, it did it shifted my reality, it shifted my train of thought. And then even this morning when I started, you know, because I because I've been walking every single day and we've been here pretty much, and I quit walking for a while because I was like, oh my god, I was fearful of it.

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Yeah.

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And then that fear, when I did walk, I would get anxious and then I would get short of breath. And and so I quit doing it yesterday, nothing, I'm good. Today, nothing, I'm good. Yeah. And so understanding if the energy behind it is tough.

SPEAKER_00:

That's right. And as the caregiver slash spouse who went through the that side of things, yeah, I had to go through a series of uh fear and then letting it go. You know, I had to come to that place where because there I spent some time not wanting to let you out of my sight. Yeah, I know you did, not wanting you to go to town without me, like just really hovering. And uh so I I I was like, no, this is not the life I want to live.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And I was like, okay, well, you know, I I wasn't able to stop it before. So if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

I just gotta get on with life and live life again and let him be, because I don't want to be that hovering spouse. Um, and I don't want to be a lifelong caregiver to another human being. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Don't want to do that. Those are not enjoyable places.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, then I don't want you to take care of me either. That's right. I've always been the guy to do my laundry if I need if I I do not need you to do anything for me.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. I know that. And and because of what happened to me in it, right? It put me in that place that for somehow, some way in my mind, I thought, okay, if I am right there with you, I somehow can stop this from happening. And I had to come to the realization that I didn't stop it before.

SPEAKER_03:

You were there when it happened.

SPEAKER_00:

I was right there when it happened, and I wasn't able to stop it then.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And and so I just had to do a release.

SPEAKER_03:

You know what what it the the it's crazy because this is kind of one of the reasons, one of the steps that I did was because obviously this podcast is turning into fear. Um what was it gonna be uh conforming to the negative?

SPEAKER_00:

But this is about I mean fear is kind of negative. And you if you're not careful and conform to it, you'll live in that loop.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep.

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And loop and keep looping it and looping it.

SPEAKER_03:

And so what I did, you know, how I compared him pre compared the event in my which I had a stroke, or you know, I told you, numerous I had a couple. And the part of it for me that I really kind of put it in comparison to was when I did get in trouble with the law and I went to jail.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And because I you you lose control of your life. And in that moment when that happened, I had no control.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I couldn't pro I wanted to. Right. I wanted to process, I wanted to communicate, but it just wasn't happening. It just was not happening. I made zero sense for that moment in life.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And and which will create fear, especially when you have when you feel like you lose the control of your life. Because that's what happened in that moment. Like what the hell's going on?

SPEAKER_00:

Loss of control can be a big, big thing.

SPEAKER_03:

It's a big fear.

SPEAKER_00:

It can be a big thing. And and it uh it can it can jam people up and make reality really, really wonky if you perceive that you've lost control. And in a in any area of the life pie, the perception of l loss of control.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

The rabbit hole part of it is is we don't really control a whole lot of it. Oh no. But don't tell anybody. Shh.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. Shh, don't done nobody. You know, but I think what everybody needs to understand is A, I was listening to this energy because I was looking for the reasons. I was looking for the whys constantly, which for me has always been a big deal. I actually taught I teach this, the three whys to every what.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And it's uh it's in my book, uh it's in both of my books actually, and it is in my lectures because the three whys are the reason why you find out what happened. And in this case, there is no figuring it out. I and it and at this point, I don't really care. I'm just gonna live. I'm gonna move on. I'm gonna live to be 119 and be a thorn in my wife's ass for many years.

SPEAKER_00:

119, that's a random number.

SPEAKER_03:

And uh gonna move on. But this is what we do as humans. We that adds up to be 11. It does. Oh, look at that. All right, nice. And today happens to be the 11th of February.

SPEAKER_00:

Ooh, juicy. Maybe today we should scratch our tickets.

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe we should.

SPEAKER_00:

I have tickets in my purse that we keep forgetting about. I haven't scratched.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, the scratch tickets. But anyway, so that's what we do as humans. We as humans have a tendency to fall into the trap of follower and not leader. And when you're in your life, if you're living in a follower mindset, then you're gonna follow in life and you're gonna conform to all these negatives, the sadness, the fear, the anguish, the whatever it is, uh, grief, you know, and it's a lack of you understanding that you are following, which just creates create it creates a reciprocation of the mindset constantly.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And the unfortunate thing is if you're doing it subconsciously and you don't even realize you're doing it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it can be tough.

SPEAKER_00:

You'll take on beliefs of other people that you never really wanted to or never really intended to.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And change your entire belief blueprint.

SPEAKER_03:

That's what I did.

SPEAKER_00:

Like that.

SPEAKER_03:

I I took on the beliefs of others.

SPEAKER_00:

And then when you become aware of, you know, my my world is freaking wonky and I don't like it. And then you start digging around in beliefs, you're like, where in the hell did that come from?

SPEAKER_04:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

And then, you know, you'll be given this moment in time where you're like, oh. Yeah. Such and such was talking about that in this bitch session, and I just accepted that right on in a subconscious way. You know, that's how some of those beliefs get in there and they get uh tangled up in the state.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, that's what happened to me. The doctor said Oh, yeah, your blood pressure probably won't regulate for six to nine months, and yada yada yada, whoop-ty-whoop-ty-woo, and all this stuff, you know, your processing's gonna be hard. And they were telling me all these things to expect.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And I just picked it right up and shoved it in my backpack and carried it right on out the door with me.

SPEAKER_00:

That's right.

SPEAKER_03:

And the whole placebo of it. Yeah, the whole all of it. And and then I sit there and I was going through everything they were saying. I was like, I'm not experiencing that. I'm not experiencing that. I'm not experiencing, you know, I was going through it in my mind.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And because really, I have other, I mean, most people can't even notice it.

SPEAKER_00:

I am your wife, and I'm gonna tell you that on uh most days I don't see you skip a beat.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. And it's probably when I'm trying to.

SPEAKER_00:

And so people that don't know you or haven't spent a lot of time around you, right, they'll never even know. Right. And so, I mean, I've spent every waking moment with you since we met. I think we've spent one night a apart since we met ten years ago or whatever it's been. And there's rare occasion that I even notice any kind of stuff now.

SPEAKER_03:

And if we It's when I only try to use more than three syllables.

SPEAKER_00:

In the beginning, I did see a little a little miss here and there. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Totally. Now I recognize it inside the side.

SPEAKER_00:

I know you do inside, but I am telling you from the outside, nothing.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's the that's the key part to it, is as I went through it, I worked through my process. Because when you're dealing with negative energies or negative things, you have to work your process. And my process is I'm an investigator. Right? This is who I am. I'm the why guy. And so I went through each one of these and I sat and asked myself, why am I accepting this? Because I'm not I'm not experiencing this.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, or why am I accepting? I mean, because I literally I went through the entire um gauntlet of what they told me to expect. And it wasn't true.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And because I do not fall into the uh normal textbook description on anything. On anything.

SPEAKER_00:

I I don't think either one of us does, honestly.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. That's because I don't believe the crap.

SPEAKER_00:

That's why we don't That's because we intentionally write our belief program and update it regularly, and we decide what gets to say, what has to go, what gets redefined. We upgrade our operating system, so to speak, on a regular basis. Not because we have to, not because there's always something to fix, because there's there's nothing to fix. We're not broken. Right. It's because we want transformation, yep, and we want growth, and uh uh evolution. Well, basically.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't like to rely on anybody else for my own prosperity. And so that's why I work through those things.

SPEAKER_02:

And so yeah, well that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03:

That that I would consider prosperity of all of it is I don't con I don't want anybody to tell me what to expect in business, in health, in relationships. Um I will learn from people, but I don't learn from people in a negative way. I don't own their negatives.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's where it changed me a little bit for a couple few weeks.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Was I was like, I was just I was literally just conforming to everything they told me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I was like, yeah, okay. Oh, oh, he's me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, the whole doctor authority syndrome is what I like to call it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

People go in, they go to the doctor. This the doctor is the big DR. Yeah. They know everything. You know what? Nobody doesn't know.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And the reality is that they follow a process, they don't know everything. They know what the textbooks are. They know what the textbooks say, right? But the textbook does not apply to every single person. If it did, we would all react, respond, and and have same uh uh experiences with medications, with chemicals, with whatever, we would all have the same outcome. Yes. And there would be this robotic treatment for any and all of it, and then you would be magically fixed and and we'd just go on.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, see, and this is actually a really good example of what you just said, is the the super doctor syndrome, whatever you called it, is people when when the human con psyche puts somebody on a pedestal. Right, they could pick up a dog turd and tell you it's a chocolate candy bar and you're gonna freaking follow it.

SPEAKER_01:

Titsero.

SPEAKER_03:

Let me see your titsi. Anyway, and we do that as humans, as a as a collective, yeah. We all do that.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03:

And understanding that we do that, it will change your perspective on anything that you believe. Because here's I'm gonna tell you, tell everybody on the camera, that just because they're a doctor doesn't mean they're good or smart. First of all, because I have witnessed this. We are currently, I am currently my doctor is they're student doctors because the clinic that I go to here in in where we live is there are what do you what do you call it?

SPEAKER_00:

It's uh internship uh learning.

SPEAKER_03:

And my doctor is in his third year of actually seeing patients.

SPEAKER_00:

They have interns.

SPEAKER_03:

And I watch this lady teach him why he's examining me because he doesn't know.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. He's still very wet behind the ears. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03:

And you know, it there's what you're taking that? Then I mean, only like two percent of people, because he's pulling it up on his computer, only like two percent of people have side effects of that medicine. I'm the two percenter.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And he didn't believe it.

SPEAKER_03:

No, he didn't.

SPEAKER_00:

I s and I challenged him.

SPEAKER_03:

I said, Yeah, look it up on your computer.

SPEAKER_00:

You said I said, get on your sweet little computer and you look it up and you see if it is a side effect of that medication. And sure enough, he got on his computer, he looked it up, and he's like, Oh, it is a side effect. It's rare, but it is a side effect. Right. I said, Well, you know, 24 years of nursing, you can learn a thing or two, but I mean, I'm not part of the side.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, you see, that's the key to it, is I think a lot of people don't understand. Well, I can't I keep saying that, I need to quit saying that. A lot of people I uh for people to understand that when you put somebody on a pedestal, I don't care who it is, like there was a guy that used to teach you to save all your money or something. What was his name? Uh there it was a big guy all over the internet for a long time. Can't remember his name now.

SPEAKER_00:

He would teach you to save your money?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, or how to save your money. You said something about it when we first got together. Uh, you followed his process or whatever?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I can't remember his name. Dan David. Anyway, so people they'll follow these processes because they want to see the results that people do. We speak publicly about this, and we write books about this is understanding that this reality is scripted from within here.

SPEAKER_00:

Ooh, that's a good plug for my book.

SPEAKER_03:

And not so much about what doing this process that this person got successful on, or whatever. Like, you know, like here's a prime example. We watch this guy's show because I like him and he's morally and ethically right, and that's Mr. Beast. Everybody Mr. Beast on YouTube.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we like him.

SPEAKER_03:

He's become filthy wrench because he figured out a process in YouTube and figured out the algorithms and how to get so many subscribers and created these this great, it was a it was a great experience to follow his videos.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And it's fun, it's fun to watch.

SPEAKER_03:

And it's not negative, but he could stand up on stage and tell you how to become him and the human 80% of the human population would follow him. Follow his step by step, how he did it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And the problem is, is now that that's been done, the algorithm of that changes it.

SPEAKER_01:

That's right. It'll hit differently.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. It'll be completely different. Right. And that's where our human psyche gets all confused. I did everything that that Tony told me to do, but I didn't I didn't have the abundance that he had.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Because it's not it's that's not how you become successful. And you you are conforming to the energy of all the people in that audience that are looking up at that person thinking, Wow, I want to be him.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Or I want to be her. Yeah. Or I want to have what he has. And why? You're limiting your own beliefs. You could you can have what you want. That's right. You can you can be up on that stage and have people say, I want what he has.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely, yeah. You you you've got to be you.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

You can't you're not here to be somebody else.

SPEAKER_03:

But the way to get rid of that is through losing the negatives.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, you make it sound very simple.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I agree. And that's why I opened the floor.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, is that what that means?

SPEAKER_03:

Because you're the smart one of the two of us.

SPEAKER_00:

There's that door noise. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it is a bit of a process to come out of that loop. We talk about being, you know, in in a in a negative loop. First of all, the first thing I always say is, man, you you gotta find the awareness. You gotta make yourself consciously aware that it's happening.

SPEAKER_04:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

And and the first part of awareness is recognizing that your reality is no longer satisfying or happy or content, and you want it to change. Right. The second part of that is what I would call recognizing accountability. When you go back and you look at your reality, and you come to that realization of, okay, you know what? This kind of crap keeps showing up, but I'm the common denominator.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

When you take that pivotal moment of awareness, then you're ready to start changing.

SPEAKER_04:

Right. I agree.

SPEAKER_00:

Until you can come to that point, you're still making up uh the story in your mind. Cop-outs, you're still making up uh stories that will just keep it covered and keep it covered.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

So you you've got to have the uh awareness and then get to that point of coming to that realization, it'll bring you out of the blame game. Oh, I did this because this relationship, he did this, this, or this, or she did this, this or this, or this job did this, and that justification story that causes you to behave the way you were behaving is really just a cop out of not saying to yourself, you know what? Yep, that happened. I see the pattern, it's repeating again. Okay, who is the common denominator in this bag of bullshit?

SPEAKER_03:

Right. We say that too. Why does every guy cheat on me?

SPEAKER_00:

Wow, I am the common denominator, right?

SPEAKER_03:

That's what everybody, every every couple we've worked with, singles.

SPEAKER_00:

It's almost always something else is causing me to behave the way I'm behaving.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Until you can come out of that place, your perspective is not gonna change, and you're not truly taking on the self-accountability for your own reality and for your own baggage and for your own bullshit. Right. It is because you're still playing the blame game, which you are cloaking as a permission slip not to look at you in your own garbage.

SPEAKER_03:

Everybody, you know, it is almost a second nature that you're taught. Because like the reason why this happens, and I'll and I'll tell you why, because from day one you're in school, you are taught to conform to how other people think. You know, you everybody is given a textbook, and you're sp you're expected to follow this textbook. This teacher is going to teach you according to the state curriculum. Right. And they have to touch these things because they teach you to not think differently.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And when you get caught up in the thought process, then you know, they I remember when we were in school, they used to tell us to think outside the box, but you then they teach you inside the box.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

You know, I had one teacher that changed my thought process that made me believe I could be anything and do anything I wanted to do ever.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And his name was Ted Foster, and he taught me a class called personal development.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And when you're in personal development, he teaches you all the cliche philosophies and all these things, like uh uh I'm trying to oh, one of them he had on the wall was about perseverance.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03:

And on the wall it had these five pictures. Had a picture of a guy that uh uh was standing outside a erect plane in the desert, way out in the middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And he's got he's got a water bottle in his hand. And then the next picture is him walking across the sand dune, and he's starting to get tired, and his water bottle's about half empty.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And then the next picture was him a little little he's getting worn out, he's sunburnt, now he's down to no water. And then he gets to the next one, and in the distance there's a uh uh like a pond and some trees, and they call it an oasis. He's at the top of this dune. And at the bottom of that it says he walked twenty mile or twenty days across the desert all this time, and he survived on one bottle of water. He gets to the top of this dune, he sees the oasis where the water is, and he stops and rests before he goes down to the oasis to get more water. And the elephants come and they drink all the water, and then the next picture is the oasis with him at the top of the dune, and he's dead. And it says while resting, he died. And so, but here's the and and everybody that was a big controversial thing because what he taught was when you quit trying to make yourself successful by thinking outside the box, yeah, then you have already died inside.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. A portion of you kind of just diminishes away.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. And he even he was a football coach and he was a track coach, he was a he was a very good coach.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And one of the things he always taught was to persevere. Persevere this, persevere that, think differently.

SPEAKER_00:

That's right.

SPEAKER_03:

And nowadays they don't allow that anymore. Like he did that, you know, like he would actually take all the baseball team and football team to his house, he had a big ranch.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And uh he would teach us this stuff outside school.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I can tell you that uh, you know, on our journey, taking that, just just take that first initial step. Yep. Because what you're doing is, and and I've we've talked about this before. If you've got some type of creative genius enjoyment that lives inside of you, and the nine to five lifestyle feels like it's consumed you, and you keep making excuses of I I can't find the time to do this or that. Right. If you'll just start with five minutes a day doing that thing that you love and enjoy, just give yourself a five-minute window and build on that ten minutes, twelve, you know, whatever, whatever that section of time is, right? You'll come to a place where you realize, oh, you know what? I've built up to being able to do this two hours, three hours a day. I can do this all weekend now because I've figured out how to find time. And eventually then what that does is that gives your psyche permission. The chemicals literally change. Yeah, you're parasympathetic, your sympathetic nervous system calms down, everything it becomes the norm.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Instead of the unknown, the monkey mind gets quieter, everything changes.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And then what happens is the creative thinking outside the box becomes easier and easier to do because now you've opened up that faucet a little more, a little more, a little more to where instead of it being just a drip, poink, poink, now it's beginning to run. And then it'll full float, and you'll get to a place where you wake up one day and you're like, man, the ideas just keep coming, and you find yourself staying up till all hours of the day and night, creating whatever it is your passion or your joy is, and not even realizing that you've spent that much time on your joy. And then if you'll just follow that next little breadcrumb voice in your head that says, okay, now take what you've done, step outside your comfort zone, and put that on blah, right. Whatever. For me, it was, you know what? Write that book. Sit down and write it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

You don't have to post it, you don't have to do anything with it, but just sit down and you did. It was set on the computer for sat and I wrote it, and then it sat on the computer for another, I don't know. Know a couple of months.

SPEAKER_03:

And then your competitive side came out because I posted my book first.

SPEAKER_00:

And then you posted yours, and I'm like, oh hell no.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh hell no.

SPEAKER_00:

We doing this. He and I like to uh compete a little bit. A little bit. We're right now we're neck and neck like uh horses at a horse race on our YouTube trial that we're we're doing uh an AI assisted uh marketing blitz uh on two different channels. And uh so we're neck and neck.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, totally. We are and she's sneaking up. I was I was way up in the lead and she's keeping up with me.

SPEAKER_00:

Snuck up on it.

SPEAKER_03:

She did. She grew up jumped up with a video that went really high.

SPEAKER_00:

But to bring it back around, you'll you'll come to a place where you're like, damn, I'm doing it. Yeah, I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_04:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

And I uh I mean, and it just will grow from there, and it will just grow as long as you give the nutrition to whatever that concept is, and it's joyful and pleasurable, just taking that one little baby step and figuring out five minutes in a day, and stop this uh cop out bullshit statements of I don't I have a full-time job, I don't have time to do anything I enjoy. Poor me. Yep. Martyr, martyr, poor me. I've got, you know, 2.5 kids, I've got a husband, I've got a full-time job. Living the reality any time to go color in my coloring book. Wow, wow, wow. Okay, well, then keep living the reality of the bullshit sandwich and keep keep packing that lunch, man.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that's what happens is we, you know, like a like I said earlier, we we conform to how we think. And this is, you know, two of the biggest things I think that we get asked a lot. And this happened the first time to me it happened uh was in in Arkansas at Ozark Research Institution when I was doing the or reading. Yeah. And the girl looked at me and she's like, I just don't know my purpose.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's one of the biggest things out there. That's why our books kind of you know complement each other.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Because yours tell you how to create your reality from the inside.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_03:

Mine tells you how to figure out your purpose.

SPEAKER_00:

And how to take that book and market it. And how to the other book you wrote.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Tells you basically how to take that book or that content or that uh thing, whatever you've created, and then monetize it.

SPEAKER_03:

Totally. Yeah. Sales energy method on Amazon. Get it today. Anyway, the hey, I dropped it down on Kindle to four bucks.

SPEAKER_01:

So Wow.

SPEAKER_03:

And so you can actually buy the book for four dollars. And listen, I know it doesn't have a table of contents because I did it on purpose.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. No TOC guys, on purpose.

SPEAKER_03:

But anyway, so when we conform to everybody's thinking, and then we start wanting to change, but we don't know how to think differently. And so we the human, you know, the the human subconscious mind, this is also in one of my lectures about the positive mindset, is your subconscious mind is on autopilot. Yep. Your subconscious mind is lazy and does not want to change. You have to consciously change the subconscious thought process when you identify a pattern by first being accountable for your pattern and then jumping into changing the subconscious thought on purpose.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so this will be a place where we pivot just a bit, and I agree to disagree. I don't know that it's completely and totally uh because your subconscious mind is lazy. I think it's lazy. I think that it has a lot to do with the fact of having a fear of the unknown.

SPEAKER_03:

It does. I know that uh well in my book.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh listen, I am old brain, and yes, I read your book, but it's been a minute.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, there's a section about that, is when you start working through the processes and changing your thought process. You like how I that starts happening on something else. Yeah, I've seen that. I smelled what you were stepping in. But anyway, so you know, do can she's conforming to the energy of sandwich.

SPEAKER_00:

Isn't there a game show called Bullshit?

SPEAKER_03:

There is. Well, I don't know if it's still on, but it was on. Used to.

SPEAKER_00:

Used to be.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh what's his name? Howie Mendel does it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

But anyway, so the processes the of changing that and not conforming and and listening to the negative energy, those are all just habitual thoughts and habitual patterns that you're just you know you're you're putting on repeat.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, that big oh have it loop.

SPEAKER_03:

The one thing that I would say that I would suggest, now I'm gonna get to let you have your input too, but I would suggest because I think that we're gonna give them one thing on this podcast on how to change your reality. And the first thing that I would say to do is identify what you are negatively accepting from others. That's what I would say would be my first thought, because I'm a positive mindset guy.

SPEAKER_00:

I think the first thing well, here's what I do. The first thing is when I see a pattern repeating itself that I don't necessarily care for. Yeah. That's the first thing I recognize. And I pull that into my awareness. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, question answer time.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Is this repeating itself or is this a one-off thing? And what is it where is it repeating itself at in my life? Yeah. And and is it something that I want to be different? Is it something I want to change?

SPEAKER_04:

I agree.

SPEAKER_00:

And once I get the answer to those, and if they are yes, then I've now brought it into my awareness. And then I can ask the question, guys. Listen, ask your counsel, your guides, your higher self, yourself, ask yourself, I need to know what this is. I need help. Show me what this is, and then be willing to hear the answer from the fear, right?

SPEAKER_03:

No matter how it comes.

SPEAKER_00:

And don't put some time constraint on it.

SPEAKER_03:

Nope.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my god, the answer didn't come like three o'clock today five minutes, and so I am broken. This doesn't work, throw it in the garbage, fuck my life. Life is over. It doesn't work that way. That's why I say get the journal, write it down. Because sometimes if you're not completely ready or you're afraid of what the answer might be, you'll stall yourself out and it'll take a little bit. I agree. It'll take a little bit to get there.

SPEAKER_03:

So perfect. I think uh I'm complete. Are you complete?

SPEAKER_00:

I am always complete.

SPEAKER_03:

Guys, so thank y'all for listening, first of all.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh second of all yeah, when I show the video, can you see?

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Oh, yeah, see?

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So pre-recorded, like workshops, everything. And then there's a game in there as well.

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And there's a game as well, and the game is actually gonna be just as fun as learning.

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And so Yeah, exactly.

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Because you you get to create an avatar, and then you're gonna learn potions and spells and become basically a little wizard. What do you call them? A witch. I don't want to call it a witch.

SPEAKER_00:

A wizardette.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And then down the road a little metaphysical uh alchemist.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, alchemist. That's a good one. I like that. You have to get on there early and get your potions and everything, and your amlets, uh uh amlets and your jewelry and your uh herbs and your cryptid stuff, and you collect all these things, and you basically are powering up your avatar because there's an arena coming where you're gonna battle.

SPEAKER_01:

Why you're giving it all away.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, no, I know. That's okay. Because down the road, you're gonna use all this stuff that you're collecting and making. You're gonna bind, you're gonna mine crystals, you're gonna uh grow herbs, yeah, you're gonna you're gonna go hunting for Bigfoot, all sorts of things on this app.

SPEAKER_00:

And the premise behind it is is to teach people still the same concept I always teach. Think outside the box, look at your belief systems, become aware, yeah, find out what belief systems you want to keep, which ones you want to dissolve, which ones you want to update, and rewrite your operating system.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, 100% agree.

SPEAKER_00:

The app helps still walk you through that in a very fun, childlike way. Because I'm telling you right now, healing is quicker, more efficient when you incorporate lightheartedness, childlike manner, and your imagination and thinking outside the box.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. And just remember that true inner whole wealth, wellness, and health incorporates learning new thought processes and patterns and different ways of thinking that will create successful no matter what you define that as.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep.

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SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Jenny and a friend of ours has created.

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We went in together and co-founded a new yoga technique that uh combines the yoga and the meridian energy work so that we can get deep cleansing and healing uh from trauma and energy uh release.

SPEAKER_03:

As you can tell, I do a lot of yoga.

SPEAKER_00:

And it is uh it's it's a beautiful concept. Yeah. It gets both of those and and it gets deep release from all that uh energy.

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It is a everybody that everybody that experiences it says, wow, this is what was missing.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So absolutely.

SPEAKER_03:

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SPEAKER_00:

Here at Daytona, yeah. And we're gonna record it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, we're gonna record it. And we'll interview you. And we there might be a little perk that you're gonna get while you're there. Maybe. We'll see. And be looking for uh retreats. We'll probably start doing retreats here.

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Yeah.

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